I find it so funny how 4kids created an alternative reality for some people. Theres a chance that someone’s out there, thinking they’ve seen ALL of One Piece, and that the Straw Hats died, all because of how 4kids. Ended their show.
I WAS this guy. When One Piece stopped airing on 4Kids/Fox Kids I thought Luffy and the crew were crushed. Saw on the TV guide they were playing new episodes on Cartoon Network; I thought they were reruns. It wasn't until 2018, I figured out there was A LOT more after Skypiea.
The Funimation dub picked up where 4kids left off literally the next week, and having characters seemingly die is cliffhangers 101. I mean, that's like saying people stopped watching the show after Kuma beat the Straw Hats. Most folks were just waiting to see what happens next.
I watched the 4Kids dub. I also watched cartoon network every night. So the transition was pretty seamless for me. Later One Piece got cancelled on Cartoon Network. In High School I started reading manga. I picked up One Piece where Cartoon Network left off. Some time towards the end of Skypiea. I was very confused in Enis Lobby when fucking giants showed up and were talking about Dorry and Broggy. I got confused again in Thriller Bark when Brook was crying over Laboon and Luffy saying that they met him. That's when I decided to start over.
I've always imagined a couple things about Thriller Bark. 1. They would change Brook's panty lines to Brook asking every woman if they would marry him. 2. They would air it across 31 episodes as a "One Piece Halloween Special" where an episode is aired per day over October 3. They would deal with Laboon by somehow revealing that Laboon has been trapped in the iceberg that whole time. I'm not sure how they would get the Straw Hats to connect what Brook is talking about with Laboon to the iceberg, but having Laboon be frozen in there all along is what I imagined.
A silly suggestion for fixing them stealing Franky's speedo: still have them stealing his "shorts" but say something like "They got my favourite shorts! I had to wear Paulie's jeans!" Edit some long trousers on him, and make the joke just be that he hates looking so ordinary.
I love how Yasopp is just the "get out of jail" free card for solving any major plot holes or contradictions in 4Piece. It retroactively makes him a better father than in canon. I can't wait for Yasopp to teach Usopp about vivre cards, Laboon, the legend of Nika and Katakuri's Jelly Filled Doughnut ability!
oh god yeah Luffy can also reference Yasopp's stories because he was with Shanks so he actually could bring it up when fighting Katakuri. I would absolutely love if it became a running gag that every single arc has a character talking about something they once heard Yasopp talk about, and in Wano or something it's Zoro mentioning how the Red-Haired pirates actually stopped by his island one time and this long-nosed guy told a story about a land where they made really good swords.
33:28 I don't think most people are annoyed by it ending on that cliffhanger, I think they just find it funny that 4Piece ended on a suggestion that every Straw Hat died by being crushed
I'd like to think Luffy gets Frankie to chase him by accusing him of having a girly laugh. (He just makes the accusation up on the spot.) Then they would have Robin tickle Frankie in the stomach or something in front of everyone. He would then proceed to giggle like a little girl, shocking everyone who hears it (including Luffy). He then leaves with the straw hat crew because now everyone knows how embarrassing his laugh is and his reputation is ruined at water 7.
Hey, that's me at 31:00, someone who got into One Piece as a kid thanks to this version. Really loved it, but knew that it had a lot of issues and things that felt confusing or weird. I'm grateful to this dub for getting me and msny others into One Piece, and without it maybe we never would've gotten the full Funimation dub that's ongoing now. Nice to see some love for 4 Piece!
I was thinking about this idea a lot recently, so glad that someone is out there actually putting in the legwork for trying out the thought experiment lol
59:00 Dorry and Brogy's epthets are actually "the red/blue ogre" respectively. Look at one of the most recent chapters and youll see it on their bounties even
@afanzatara5139 yeah no shit sherlock, if the epithets are in the 4kids cards obviously they were revealed before the cards came out. I just listed out a second example to verify that it wasnt just an old translation error that only 4kids stuck by. So yes, it was benefitial to "do all that"
@@nicknack124 ay, I'm just trying to mention it because apparently the dude seems to read one piece but misses a ton of details. He probably also missed this first instance since he thought this was a 4piece thing. No need to be pressed
My headcanon for 4Piece is that the Navy's water guns ARE actually just water guns, just loaded with sea water to use against "Cursed Fruit" users. They got swords for the normal pirates.
You neglected to mention the most important part: how would the 4kids rap change when more Strawhats are added? Seriously though thia is a great video, I'm looking forward to the next one!
The theme song was apparently something Toei pushed for a change to (you can find a cam-recorded video of a 4Kids dub of We Are, even) so I wouldn't be shocked if they eventually just swapped to dubbing the JP theme songs as they always intended to do from the start.
I actually really really like the addition of the giants being something usopp heard about from yassop. Oddly touching and giving a vibe similar to Roger leaving a path for Luffy to follow.
A fantastic and well researched video! You've done great work here! I have some minor critiques, such as some content in Jaya and Skypiea. In One Piece Pirates Carnival and Grand Adventure, Blackbeard is included and already has an established voice. Eneru is also already established as a "Sky Lord" in Grand Adventure 4Kids canon, so the "Kami" title would be potentially alienating for fans of the games. The Arc Maxim is also surprisingly still called an Arc in One Piece Grand Adventure by Eneru. I'd also like to mention that Skeleton's and spirits were used in Alabasta when the Straw Hats stumbled through the villages ruined by Crocodile's sandstorm power. Wyper is also an interesting case, because he was referred to as both Wyper and "Wyler" by 4Kids and Funimation during the early dub. Luffy's attack names are also "Gum Gum Blast" for (Gum Gum Pistol) and "Gum Gum Double Barrel" for (Gum Gum Bazooka). The only final critique I have is that the text Sanji would leave for Nami in Water 7 would most likely be removed in an actual 4Kids dub, but I understand this is your version of 4Piece, so I don't wanna come off as too nitpicky, I'm just very passionate. I really enjoy hearing any form of discussion for this dub, it's my favorite way to watch One Piece. I really enjoyed your editing style and dialogue changes, this is excellent, keep it up! I'm pretty knowledgeable about 4Piece because of my ridiculous devotion to it so I'm always drawn to genuine content like this, I was so sick of people pretending to watch it or making up "facts" that were just flat out untrue. Great video!
@blastbee Excited to see what you make in the future, One Piece or otherwise. You have crazy potential and a lot of passion behind your voice! Looking forward to part 2!
Regarding the text removal: there's a common misconception about 4kids that they would remove text in shows for fear of alienating kids who can't read, however from what I understand this actually comes from anime studios providing textless copies of their shows for global localizers to insert the text without extra editing necessary for removing the old text. 4kids either just didn't realize text was supposed to go there or were too lazy to add it in.
@JokingJames2 Yes! 4Kids did remove text themselves as some dubs in other languages used the 4Kids versions, but they did also receive the animation without text from studios! It's certainly interesting
I think renaming Zoros demon techniques to be more in line with Japanese mythology would make sense. So instead of demon he just says Oni - it also ties into his relationship with Wano later on.
i feel like 4kids kinda flip-flopped on their opinions to use crosses every now and then for reasons we just cannot comprehend, as for some strange reason, in their pokemon dub, they kept Misty brandishing a cross at Gastly in the ghost of maiden's peak episode unedited.
As someone who was there while 4Piece was airing (10 year old me ate that up on Cartoon Network), this is a video I have ALWAYS wanted to see someone make
This is such an intersting thought experiment, I though you would only go over the "censoring stuff" part, as all these "4kidz op dub" videos do, but it was so much better! the omissions, the name-replacing, the accents the characters would have, the jokes they might do... This is on point can't wait for the second part :)
Wow I was just trying to find someone discussing what 4kids would realistically do if they had adapted more episodes. Glad to see this in my recommendations, thanks for the vid.
So few notes regarding the little garden/Jaya/Skypiea arc. The 4kids cast did actually dub little garden. and parts of jaya and skypiea. we were suppose to get little garden 4piece dub but somebody appearntly loss the tapes/files for the dub. the episodes did get edited and censored but they never aired cause they didn't had time to redub the episodes. the dubs for Jaya/Skypiea ended up being recycled/reused for Grand Adventure and Pirates' Carnival. God Enel was renamed to Skylord Eneru. Funny enough Teech did get a stereotypical pirate accent Newtronflow has a video regarding that 4kids dub
I’ll be honest I never read anywhere that they lost tapes or something regarding those dubbed arcs, those were voice clips from the video games, which I guess to make things easier they decided to actually dub then requesting them to be completely cut, but I never read anywhere that they lost those materials which is why it was never aired. From my understanding the reason why they never dubbed those arcs was because by the time they got to them, they already gave up the license to Funimation. On TV it was literally one week later that the Funimation dub continuing with the next episode.
I finished this video and went to go check out some others on your channel only to realize THIS IS YOUR FIRST??? HOLY COW!! The quality is amazing for your first time. My gosh. I am so impressed. I subscribed. 4Piece is actually how I first got into One Piece all the way back in 2004 so it's extremely nostalgic for me. I love your take on this so far. Thank you for the awesome watch.
Honestly this is the best 4kids One Piece video I have ever seen! I cannot wait to see how you do the other parts. Also, I love everyone's idea about Thriller Bark being the month long Halloween specials in this universe were the 4kids One Piece adaptation continues. Also Brooks running gag should be instead of panties, he has sort of a Brock from Pokemon vibe and just flirts very poorly.
People forget that Funimation's original dub was ironically worse, not the voice acting but the censoring is less creative than the 4piece dub. No lollipop, they just cut out the cig all together in the original Funi dub and all violence is just flashing lights
Well, you have to understand that it was literally one week later the dub switched on TV so they were still constraint to whatever TV rating that they were already slotted into, however, they wanted to be much more faithful to the original show so they only edited what they needed to edit rather than all the unnecessary editing.
It was less creative with it’s edits but when it comes to being an actually good censored adaptation of One Piece it’s way better than 4Kids. You could watch the edited FUNimation version and switch to the uncut version with very little confusion, you could not do that with 4Kids. Also FUNi wins for keeping the original music and having much more accurate dialogue.
I cannot believe this is your first video THIS IS AMAZING I cannot wait to see what you do with the rest of this project!!! But please do make sure to pace yourself
56:10 had me cackling for no good reason, you've earned my comment. But this is such a good video, I really admire how much thought and research you put into a premise that the majority of people would have just half-assed. Because who cares about the 4-kids dub of One Piece in 2025? Very keen to see more, should you decide to continue!
Really cool video, your ideas for a continuation are pretty neat. I really liked how you worked "Erbaf" into the plot, personally. Genuinely shocked to see so few views / subs, from the video alone i would've guessed you were WAY more established than this. Very excited to see where you go from here, can't wait for the next part!
I haven't finished watching this yet, but I really hope this video blows up. It's so interesting to hear you clear up popular misconceptions about the show. And it's nice to see somebody talk about the 4Piece VAs kindly. A lot of people get mean spirited about it, but really the Cali accent standard for anime dubs makes a bit less sense for a One Piece dub than what 4Piece chose to do. They are traveling the world after all. (Also it's just fun to have characters who don't all talk like they're from downtown LA.) No shade to Funimation, those dub voices are also good, and the voice direction (especially after Skypeia) is worlds cleaner than 4Piece. But I do sometimes miss the days of anime dubs being a bit less homogenized. Also, picturing all of Germa 66 having NY accents makes me giggle. Just imagining all the different accents characters could have is wonderful. Hungarian Perona would add years to my life expectancy.
You should pitch this idea to those TFS (Team Four Star) people, they have the resources to try getting the original 4kids voice actors or just do it themselves. It would be so fun to see this continued with corny jokes added and all.
Dude, this is awesome. These changes are honestly impressive. It’s an amazing thought experiment. And it’s great you were able to shed light on some common misconceptions about 4Piece that needed correcting. But yeah, but for project that has to cut and change so much you do a good job of closing those loops. I had no idea what you were going to do about Oimo and Kashi and good on you for that solution. No idea what on earth you’re going to do about Thriller Bark and Laboon though, that’s gonna be tough. Though Thriller Bark shouldn’t be too difficult to deal with, it’s not like America doesn’t have Halloween episodes. Except Absolam. Maybe we should just remove Absolam.
I think the skull jump scare is an ok because it doesn’t really imply so much a sudden or graphic death, but any scene of it being played around with should probably be cut. Turning any card games to Go Fish or Old Maid is a must. Blackbeard having a stereotypical pirate accent sounds perfect for 4 Piece. But here I’d like to add Bellamy definitely deserves an Australian accent. And I think a tame change to Noland’s backstory would actually be to omit his execution. Having him being disgraced as a liar and desperately trying to get people to believe him or prove the City of Gold true sounds more in line with 4 Piece’s tone. Finally this is a 50/50 thing but they might have gone all the way and called the City of Gold, El Dorado. Since it’s a very popular legend in western culture. The censorship Funni made for broadcasting was done to make it seem more in line with 4 piece since it started up not long after it ended. They removed all the religious references and edited out Sanji’s cigarette completely so that certain things would not be drastically changed. But their way of handling the God situation was actually pretty fine just referring to the priests as sky knights and god as king or lord(as in the title). Especially Gran Fall already sets the Sky Knight imagery up for us. But if you really want to go for something a bit more spiritual without being directly religious, instead of God, or Kami you could use something like Spirits. Wyper with a tooth pick and a toyish purple bazooka sounds perfect and gives me life friend. Most of your changes to the flashback sound possible to pull off with the right edits and dialogue. As a Sanji fan god it kills me to remove his I needed a lite line. But burnt sugar is probably the best thing 4 piece can do. I might keep in the G8 filler just because it’s actually really well liked by the one piece anime community. Many fans practically consider it canon and it’s a bunch of goofy nonsense. I can only imagine the kind of meme worthy goofy nonsense 4 piece could do. But we could take it or leave it. Long Ring Long Land is definitely a must because for one it makes a ton of sense to do these wacky races style games in 4 piece. And Foxy needs a silly cartoony accent since he’s probably the least serious villain in the story. I half want if they will keep Aokiji’s name as well Aokiji or translate it as something like Blue Bird. This would of course make Akainu Red Dog(bring on the Clifford jokes), and Kizaru as something like “Yellow Monkey or Ape” which ooooo boy would be the one that causes trouble. But maybe it could be worked around. I also think that they might give accents to the admirals possible Italian, because they might translate some of that Yakuza tough guy energy they radiate into a Italian mafia vibe with them(Bage is quaking in his boots). Since you brought up the giants at this point. You can also drop some hints of giants back in Skypiea. What with the beanstalk and have some of the people there say that giants do exist out there in the grand line. Backed up by Robin who would know about Giants because of Saul. This could trigger the idea of Yassop telling the story to Usopp as a kid and how nobody believes him because it sounds like a fairytale. Maybe that can be a thing to also add on to Usopp’s character as to why he tells tall tales. It even works with the fact the Red Hair pirates are on friendly terms with the giants because it was them that met Dorry and Broggy. The Finger Shock is a good enough name but I think Shot could also work but this is a relatively small potato here. I’m conflicted on Franky’s accent. One of the oldest gag videos I had ever seen on if 4 kids continued one piece, was the fight between Franky and Nero on the sea train. They have Franky speaking in a full Arnold Schwarzenegger voice giving him a terminator sound. But I guess the surfer bro accent can work. Just if it has to be this way please give the Arnold voice to someone like Kuma or someone who’s robotic. Oh and they would probably give Franky some shorts.probably edit in the style of trunks he wore in the flashback. Backstreet Boys references sound hilarious. Tangent: oooooooh Feminist Sanji > Racist Zor(l)o Let’s Goooooooooooo. Btw Dorry and Broggy’s epithets are Blue Ogre and Red Ogre respectively even in the original Japanese. Like how Luffy’s epithet is Strawhat, or Shanks is Red Hair. The Elbaf being “Erbaf” thing can easily be worked around with it being a bad translation like Rogue Town or Logue Town. It’s clearly meant to be Fable spelled backwards. Oh they will cut out the theme song. They might make him humming some superhero anthem though, something legally distinct. I love action so to me Enies Lobby is always the highlight of the Water 7 saga. But yeah you’re right about all the edits that will have to be made to either cut away recaps and the robin abuse. Like you said Ohara isn’t that graphic despite what actually goes on we just say that the island was destroyed and the scholars were behind it. Insinuating that they were all captured and imprisoned. Maybe hint at execution with Robin being the last of the scholars. I don’t remember if they ever mentioned Robin’s epithet Demon Child, but if they due bring it up you can change it to Child of Ohara exclusively. Make. Saul. A. Cowboy. Hell make Ohara in general a southern sounding island. Every thing about the Saul laugh, and Lucci’s backstory is fine with how you handled it. Oh shit, you actually had the same idea about Shanks’s crew being the ones who met Dorry and Broggy. Neat. I like the idea of using Rush over Jet if it has to be done. But just to be clear Luffy’s attacks where changed like this (Pistol > Blast, Shotgun > Quake, Bazooka > Double Barrel, Gatling > Rapid Fire, Bullet > Burst, Bowgun > Crossbow, Rifle > Drill, Gavel > Hammer, Sickle > Fist, Battle Axe > Axe, Giant Gavel > Giant Hammer, Windmill > Pinwheel). Nah but these are some nice 4 piece names for Zoro and Sanji’s power ups.
I love a good 'what if' challenge! This is a fantastic video! I can't wait for part 2 :) However, I do not agree with changing saul's laugh lol but I'll forgive the dislike of Enies Lobby And yasopp telling Usopp about the giants is a wonderful workaround of the missing little garden :)
@@calebray1834 Brook should be fine since he is a goofy skeleton and halloween is a concept in America. Just cut out mentions of panties and replace it with asking for a kiss, which should be ok. As for Laboon…uh maybe he should pull the yassop card again.
The taking a break in the middle of reading an arc was real - I stopped for a long time during fishman island, and when I started reading again, I sped through it because it felt so long, and I didn't really care all that much about it except for a few parts. When I got to it in my anime watch through, I liked it better (still think it could have been shorter though). For my brother, it was the Skypiea arc, lol.
As someone with a deep appreciation for 4piece I love this video. I talk about it once a month at least I think it’s hilarious. I’ve always wished someone would do a fan project attempt to continue the spirit of 4piece
I imagine if/when u do wano, when we hear about Nika, instead of 'sun god nika' its 'sun hero nika' and instead of talking about him like hes a god and prisoners praying to him, they talk about him like he was the superman of the one piece world, hope that makes sense! I loved this btw, its hilarious to imagine how the series could have been if 4kids still had the series' dub
36:00 I want to Chime in and say that Bellamy and Blackbeard do have 4kids voices as heard in One Piece: Pirates Carnival. Edit: Apparently Dorry and Broggy were as well, this is crazy.
As someone who was introduced to One piece primarily from chapters printed in monthly Shounen Jump magazines and 4 Piece. I definitely cringe a bit when I watch it but it’s not a bad cringe it’s fun and over the years I see more and more people agree that it’s not a good dub at all, but they have a nostalgia for it and enjoy it for what it is.
Seein' as the vid's almost a week old atm, ya likely won't see this. Oh well. I don't know what I expected goin' into this, but I can say after watchin' that I'm very much blown away w/ the quality of your 4Kids-ified rewrites. Everything ya proposed made sense within the confines of how they dubbed the show as well as the overarching "-isms" that permeated throughout almost all of 4Kids' dubs. On that front, I can't wait for Part 2! The other front which I wanna commend ya on is your more objective/unbiased view of 4Piece as it is. Now, I didn't grow up w/ it, but I did grow up with lots of other 4Kids dubs(& I actually found the time to watch all of 4Piece a couple years back). It's always been a curiosity to me, and upon watchin' it n' learnin' info 'bout it's production(Some of which came from this video, some I already knew), I found that it ain't quite as bad as people make it out to be. I especially enjoy the voicework(Find it overall better than Funi's voices, tbh), and that alone makes me sad that it didn't turn out better. To give some additional info Ik 'bout 4Kids as a company, I think this really could've worked if some things just went slightly differently. For one, I need to correct ya a bit 'bout the TV ratings system. Ya got the basics right, but you've forgotten one crucial detail. 4Piece aired on public TV originally. For reasons too intricate to get into here, in the US, the limitations of what can be shown to kids on public TV are WAY more strict than they are for cable. To give an anime example, OG Naruto-- which aired on Cartoon Network-- got away w/ showin' plenty of blood n' talkin' 'bout stuff like death. On public TV, such things are forbidden. Because of this, I wonder how different the dub could've been if they made a deal to air it on Toonami(Which it eventually did anyway). There's actually existing precedent for this, as this is exactly what happened w/ Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. If ya watch that dub, it's clear that it stays a bit closer to the source than other 4Kids dubs(The elusive season 4 notwithstanding). Had they done this for One Piece, they probably could've gotten away w/ a lot more. As for 4Kids as a company, one thing I don't hear tons of people talk about is their experimentation w/ uncut dubs. Of course, most know 'bout the short-lived uncut Yu-Gi-Oh! & Shaman King dubs, but they almost expanded into that realm fully. I forget when(I think '07?) 4Kids announced a new label called "4Sight," whose intention was to obtain more mature licenses n' *produce uncut dubs*. Tragically, due to financial issues, it never got off the ground, but it's interesting to think what could've been if this idea was thought of, like, four years earlier. 4Kids really almost became the new Central Park Media xD. This dub is one of my biggest "what if's" I think about. It really is a case of "if only a few things went slightly differently". In a perfect world, 4Piece would have a similar standing to their Yu-Gi-Oh! dubs, where it ain't perfect, but is seen as tolerable by even some hardcore fans. But we don't live in that world, as this is also the world where a few bad decisions ultimately led to the demise of 4Kids, leaving only Media Blasters to pick up the pieces of New York anime dubbing. I miss 4Kids.
@@notJCS I’ve been reading all my comments. Thanks for watching and for the insights! It’s clear I don’t have a full understanding of 4Kids history or the climate of the telecommunications world it existed in. If I make a video discussing the studio itself or the actual existing dub in the future, I’ll keep this all in mind.
As someone who grew up with one piece 4kids. I thought everyone knew the joke about belle mere? The joke was supposed to be she's still in the dungeon when we saw her grave sign But yeah how one piece pokemon and berserk all have the same dub VA are just hilarious
It’s very possible the joke went over my head, but I still think there’s a majority of people who bought into it and really believe it’s an inconsistency. Thanks for the perspective!
@blastbee yeah I think most people now a days have a Mandela effect of it. Back then most people who reviewed 4kids one piece mentioned how it was somehow worse than being shot as she still passed away but in the dungeon instead meaning they were basically torturing her
This was a fantastic video! I have often pondered this question when talking about one piece with my friends. I am glad someone took the time to actually make this and to do it in such scientific and well edited video!
The robin ball crushing would honestly be easier to do as her tickling Franky with some snappy editing. I think sometimes you underestimate how easily you can edit things in this show
As easy as it is to mock and complain about 4Piece, it's refreshing to see someone actually take a fair look at the entire show and clear up misconceptions that even I wasn't aware of after years of nothing but talk about how bad it is. Great vid!
Honestly i really like you going into this fairly unbiased about the 4Kids dub. Was it amazing? No. Was it super faithful? No. But like all creative works, nobody made it with the intent of making something crappy. The people who made it had a vision and i always feel bad when stuff is dismissed for the same 3 reasons (lollipop Sanji, Bellemere dungeon, and Helmeppo gun hammer.)
Dorry & Brogy were referred to as the Red & Blue Ogres of the Giant Pirates, I think, so that might be why they were referred to like that on the cards.
Wow!! This video was definitely well thought out and put together! I just subscribed to make sure i catch the next video you put out!! I really appreciate how you did your own homework and watched the 4kidz dub instead of just parroting what everyone else has said about it and pointed out some misconceptions too!
The one thing i wonder how 4kids wouldve handled is Yamato and Kiku in the Wano arc due to 4Kids' weird relationship with LGBT charafters and gender queer characters. If youve seen the dub of Yu-Gi-Oh GX they made Yubel into a woman when in the Japanese version they were on the nonbinary spectrum being bigender (both male and female) and 4Kids even went so far as to give them an extra breast instead of the half man half woman body from the Japanese version. Given how Yamato directly challenges a lot of perception of gender, preferring to be referred to with masculine terminology while presenting female it makes me wonder if they'd just flat out make him a woman like they did with Yubel
The dedication to respecting and researching the source material as well as the 4kids dub is amazing here. I for one am really nostalgic and appreciative for what the 4kids dub did and how creative they were in their cesnorship. Obviously they made some weird decisions sometimes, but I agree that they got way too much hate. Great video, you have earned a sub my man
I remember my first exposure to One Piece was the 4KidsDub. I honestly wrote the whole series off because of that exposure and could not understand why so many people kept talking about it as one of the best modern anime. It wasn’t till after Ace died that my baby brother got me into it watching the REAL show. Now I’m one of the nut-jobs who doesn’t watch the Anime anymore because I’ve been reading the Manga as it’s released on Viz since early Dressrosa.
I’m actually pretty sure that those were Dorry and Brogy’s epithets in the show in reference to Momotaro’s mythology 59:05 . Great video though can’t wait for part 2!
This was an incredible video! I’m definitely sticking around to see what else is in store for this channel, can’t wait to see how you tackle the rest of the arcs!
This a really really well made and researched video. Its cool to speculate on how the other arcs would turn out and it was nice hearing you not just take a huge dump on it
I feel like there literally nothing to censor on thriller bark. Since it's a haunted mansion setting. I can see this episode being aired as a massive halloween special aired on october to early november
I actually loved the 4kids One Piece as a kid. It helped me actually become a fan of the real show years later. As someone with that kind of connection to the show, I really appreciate this video. Super fun thought experiment! I look forward to the next installment!
This is a great video and a really interesting discussion. I've always thought about this scenario and am glad to see it explored. I think a lot of the changes you made were very creative and elegant in their simplicity. 4 kids was my introduction to one piece and i certainly have a soft spot for it. I'm with you in thinking it is overly hated online and see the charm in it. You definitely earned my subscription. Hope you keep it up! 👍
I think one (maybe unintended?) consequence of using the Yassop Exposition Machine is that making Yassop a decent father probably retroactively makes the Pirates Are Coming part of Cocoyasi arc infinitely more sad cause now Ussop still believes in his dad despite all the time that flew by. I think it's neat at least As for later arcs, Nami becomes a nightmare post timeskip due to Oda being Oda. If it didn't get canceled by Enies Lobby for being a bit outdated, it definitely might get canceled because of the budget going into covering Nami or editing around her. Brook might be an interesting case, considering how much death is a part of his story. I could imagine maybe instead of being dead his crew's souls got sucked into Gecko Moria's body in order to power him up. As for Laboon, you could *maybe* replace his goal then to find all the lost souls of his crew and bring it back to their bodies? Amazon Lily becomes a nightmare for the editors, Eneru rest their souls. Yamato's gender might be a slight source for controversy, though by the time it comes up LGBTQ+ themes in kids shows would have been less taboo. I could imagine, if not directly trans, he'd be heavily implied to be. A similar case could be made for Kiku.
Dude I have been wanting to watch the 4 peice dubs FOREVER now! I'm not even a fan of one peice, im just really into 4kids history. Watching this video has been a blast and I'm definitely watching that podcast after!
I thought it was understood that people knew Bellmare was dead and her still being in the dungeon was just a gag or meme. Basically death is allowed but we can’t show anyone die or say that they just died. One of my favorites was in the Romance Dawn flashback the guy who points a gun at shanks that gets shot point blank by Lucky Roux was “just shot by a pop gun”
So, here's a unique question: What if 4Kids HADN'T skipped Little Garden? You don't have to do that right away, and certainly not in the next video, since there's still a lot more material to adapt. It would just be a neat side video to think about in the future.
Sanji after learning about Puddings betrayal, He can't unwrap his lollipop and is crying in the rain.
This made me smile
That actually still hits pretty hard...
instead of the rain putting out his lighter, its just making his fingers wet/slippery
Like a 4-year-old lmfaoooooo
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He's a 4-kid :(
I find it so funny how 4kids created an alternative reality for some people. Theres a chance that someone’s out there, thinking they’ve seen ALL of One Piece, and that the Straw Hats died, all because of how 4kids. Ended their show.
I WAS this guy. When One Piece stopped airing on 4Kids/Fox Kids I thought Luffy and the crew were crushed. Saw on the TV guide they were playing new episodes on Cartoon Network; I thought they were reruns. It wasn't until 2018, I figured out there was A LOT more after Skypiea.
The Funimation dub picked up where 4kids left off literally the next week, and having characters seemingly die is cliffhangers 101. I mean, that's like saying people stopped watching the show after Kuma beat the Straw Hats. Most folks were just waiting to see what happens next.
@@VideosJacked wow thats crazy! you really thought they were killed off just like that?
@MarcusEveillard for at least a decade
I watched the 4Kids dub. I also watched cartoon network every night. So the transition was pretty seamless for me. Later One Piece got cancelled on Cartoon Network. In High School I started reading manga. I picked up One Piece where Cartoon Network left off. Some time towards the end of Skypiea. I was very confused in Enis Lobby when fucking giants showed up and were talking about Dorry and Broggy. I got confused again in Thriller Bark when Brook was crying over Laboon and Luffy saying that they met him. That's when I decided to start over.
“Oden wouldn’t be Oden if it was served cold!”
Oden proceeds to get sent to jail for the rest of his life
The funniest part is that does happen to a character we thought died in Wano
WAIT I JUST HAD A BRILLIANT IDEA
In the Ohara flashback robin wouldnt have her southern accent
BECAUSE SHE GETS IT FROM SAUL TO HONOR HIM!!!
Wait… THAT’S GENIUS!
that's absolutely genious
To honor her friend stuck in the dungeon with bellemere
@ I mean saul could be alive, we've seen Aokiji's ice thawed out before with no consequences.
@curlytraveler3558 referring to how 4kids handled death in shows like yugioh especially
I've always imagined a couple things about Thriller Bark.
1. They would change Brook's panty lines to Brook asking every woman if they would marry him.
2. They would air it across 31 episodes as a "One Piece Halloween Special" where an episode is aired per day over October
3. They would deal with Laboon by somehow revealing that Laboon has been trapped in the iceberg that whole time. I'm not sure how they would get the Straw Hats to connect what Brook is talking about with Laboon to the iceberg, but having Laboon be frozen in there all along is what I imagined.
A silly suggestion for fixing them stealing Franky's speedo: still have them stealing his "shorts" but say something like "They got my favourite shorts! I had to wear Paulie's jeans!" Edit some long trousers on him, and make the joke just be that he hates looking so ordinary.
I think the reason people don't realize bellemere actually died is because one piece fans are notorious for our reading comprehension abilities
I've never been so insulted by something I 100% agree with.
who tf doesnt know bellemere died
@@deadinphantomile she did? 😲
Never knew they followed through on that, I only had secondhand info because I couldn’t deal with puns of the early episodes
@@deadinphantomile she did? 😲
I love how Yasopp is just the "get out of jail" free card for solving any major plot holes or contradictions in 4Piece. It retroactively makes him a better father than in canon. I can't wait for Yasopp to teach Usopp about vivre cards, Laboon, the legend of Nika and Katakuri's Jelly Filled Doughnut ability!
oh god yeah Luffy can also reference Yasopp's stories because he was with Shanks so he actually could bring it up when fighting Katakuri. I would absolutely love if it became a running gag that every single arc has a character talking about something they once heard Yasopp talk about, and in Wano or something it's Zoro mentioning how the Red-Haired pirates actually stopped by his island one time and this long-nosed guy told a story about a land where they made really good swords.
33:28 I don't think most people are annoyed by it ending on that cliffhanger, I think they just find it funny that 4Piece ended on a suggestion that every Straw Hat died by being crushed
24:49 this made me burst out laughing, the OP fandom needs to make this a well known fact that the 4kids dub predicted yonko Buggy. Great vid!
Thought the exact same thing. 10/10 foreshadowing
I'd like to think Luffy gets Frankie to chase him by accusing him of having a girly laugh. (He just makes the accusation up on the spot.) Then they would have Robin tickle Frankie in the stomach or something in front of everyone. He would then proceed to giggle like a little girl, shocking everyone who hears it (including Luffy). He then leaves with the straw hat crew because now everyone knows how embarrassing his laugh is and his reputation is ruined at water 7.
Hey, that's me at 31:00, someone who got into One Piece as a kid thanks to this version. Really loved it, but knew that it had a lot of issues and things that felt confusing or weird. I'm grateful to this dub for getting me and msny others into One Piece, and without it maybe we never would've gotten the full Funimation dub that's ongoing now. Nice to see some love for 4 Piece!
I was thinking about this idea a lot recently, so glad that someone is out there actually putting in the legwork for trying out the thought experiment lol
In this continuity you are making, I never expected that one of the few things that would be changed is Yassop being less of a deadbeat.
59:00 Dorry and Brogy's epthets are actually "the red/blue ogre" respectively. Look at one of the most recent chapters and youll see it on their bounties even
Thanks for the tip, I overlooked this!
"The Captains of the Giant Pirate Crew, Brogy the Red Ogre and Dorry the Blue Ogre, are each worth a bounty of 1.8 billion berries!"
Don't need to do all that, Mr. 3 himself mentioned this when he revealed the giants bounty 100 yrs ago on little island
@afanzatara5139 yeah no shit sherlock, if the epithets are in the 4kids cards obviously they were revealed before the cards came out. I just listed out a second example to verify that it wasnt just an old translation error that only 4kids stuck by. So yes, it was benefitial to "do all that"
@@nicknack124 ay, I'm just trying to mention it because apparently the dude seems to read one piece but misses a ton of details. He probably also missed this first instance since he thought this was a 4piece thing. No need to be pressed
Me excited to hear about g-8
"Im skipping all filler arcs"
Dangit
My headcanon for 4Piece is that the Navy's water guns ARE actually just water guns, just loaded with sea water to use against "Cursed Fruit" users. They got swords for the normal pirates.
what I would've done for Sanji (very similar to your choice): "Well, look at that.. seems like your little sparks melted my lollipop."
You neglected to mention the most important part: how would the 4kids rap change when more Strawhats are added?
Seriously though thia is a great video, I'm looking forward to the next one!
Well the 4piece rapper did make a new version of the rap with current members so there's that
@@bluebaron6858but the singer didn’t return so it doesn’t hit the same
The theme song was apparently something Toei pushed for a change to (you can find a cam-recorded video of a 4Kids dub of We Are, even) so I wouldn't be shocked if they eventually just swapped to dubbing the JP theme songs as they always intended to do from the start.
the "burnt sugar" line was fire ngl
I actually really really like the addition of the giants being something usopp heard about from yassop. Oddly touching and giving a vibe similar to Roger leaving a path for Luffy to follow.
A fantastic and well researched video!
You've done great work here!
I have some minor critiques, such as some content in Jaya and Skypiea.
In One Piece Pirates Carnival and Grand Adventure, Blackbeard is included and already has an established voice. Eneru is also already established as a "Sky Lord" in Grand Adventure 4Kids canon, so the "Kami" title would be potentially alienating for fans of the games. The Arc Maxim is also surprisingly still called an Arc in One Piece Grand Adventure by Eneru. I'd also like to mention that Skeleton's and spirits were used in Alabasta when the Straw Hats stumbled through the villages ruined by Crocodile's sandstorm power. Wyper is also an interesting case, because he was referred to as both Wyper and "Wyler" by 4Kids and Funimation during the early dub. Luffy's attack names are also "Gum Gum Blast" for (Gum Gum Pistol) and "Gum Gum Double Barrel" for (Gum Gum Bazooka).
The only final critique I have is that the text Sanji would leave for Nami in Water 7 would most likely be removed in an actual 4Kids dub, but I understand this is your version of 4Piece, so I don't wanna come off as too nitpicky, I'm just very passionate.
I really enjoy hearing any form of discussion for this dub, it's my favorite way to watch One Piece.
I really enjoyed your editing style and dialogue changes, this is excellent, keep it up!
I'm pretty knowledgeable about 4Piece because of my ridiculous devotion to it so I'm always drawn to genuine content like this, I was so sick of people pretending to watch it or making up "facts" that were just flat out untrue.
Great video!
Thanks for the extra info! I knew I’d make some mistakes, so I’ll be sure to include all this in the errata for the second video.
@blastbee Excited to see what you make in the future, One Piece or otherwise. You have crazy potential and a lot of passion behind your voice! Looking forward to part 2!
Regarding the text removal: there's a common misconception about 4kids that they would remove text in shows for fear of alienating kids who can't read, however from what I understand this actually comes from anime studios providing textless copies of their shows for global localizers to insert the text without extra editing necessary for removing the old text. 4kids either just didn't realize text was supposed to go there or were too lazy to add it in.
@JokingJames2 Yes! 4Kids did remove text themselves as some dubs in other languages used the 4Kids versions, but they did also receive the animation without text from studios! It's certainly interesting
Explaining Brooks backstory is gonna be so hard and I’m really excited to see how he tackles it
I think renaming Zoros demon techniques to be more in line with Japanese mythology would make sense. So instead of demon he just says Oni - it also ties into his relationship with Wano later on.
It's unfortunate David Moo, Sanji's VA, retired after 4Piece. Man could've still gotten work.
I hear he owns a bar now and he’s very happy!
Yeah, but he seems to be doing fine.
i feel like 4kids kinda flip-flopped on their opinions to use crosses every now and then for reasons we just cannot comprehend, as for some strange reason, in their pokemon dub, they kept Misty brandishing a cross at Gastly in the ghost of maiden's peak episode unedited.
As someone who was there while 4Piece was airing (10 year old me ate that up on Cartoon Network), this is a video I have ALWAYS wanted to see someone make
This is such an intersting thought experiment, I though you would only go over the "censoring stuff" part, as all these "4kidz op dub" videos do, but it was so much better! the omissions, the name-replacing, the accents the characters would have, the jokes they might do... This is on point can't wait for the second part :)
Wow I was just trying to find someone discussing what 4kids would realistically do if they had adapted more episodes. Glad to see this in my recommendations, thanks for the vid.
So few notes regarding the little garden/Jaya/Skypiea arc.
The 4kids cast did actually dub little garden. and parts of jaya and skypiea.
we were suppose to get little garden 4piece dub but somebody appearntly loss the tapes/files for the dub. the episodes did get edited and censored but they never aired cause they didn't had time to redub the episodes.
the dubs for Jaya/Skypiea ended up being recycled/reused for Grand Adventure and Pirates' Carnival.
God Enel was renamed to Skylord Eneru. Funny enough Teech did get a stereotypical pirate accent
Newtronflow has a video regarding that 4kids dub
I’ll be honest I never read anywhere that they lost tapes or something regarding those dubbed arcs, those were voice clips from the video games, which I guess to make things easier they decided to actually dub then requesting them to be completely cut, but I never read anywhere that they lost those materials which is why it was never aired. From my understanding the reason why they never dubbed those arcs was because by the time they got to them, they already gave up the license to Funimation. On TV it was literally one week later that the Funimation dub continuing with the next episode.
@@SuperGalaxynah 4kids just abruptly skipped them for who truly knows what reason.
@@bluebaron6858 they were not skipped, by the time they got to them, the license was already given to funimation.
@@SuperGalaxy those 4kids episodes were aired in the UK before Funimation ever grabbed the dub rights
@@bluebaron6858 I’ve looked at the 4kids archive of one piece and I’ve not found those episodes you were talking about
I finished this video and went to go check out some others on your channel only to realize THIS IS YOUR FIRST??? HOLY COW!! The quality is amazing for your first time. My gosh. I am so impressed. I subscribed.
4Piece is actually how I first got into One Piece all the way back in 2004 so it's extremely nostalgic for me. I love your take on this so far. Thank you for the awesome watch.
Honestly this is the best 4kids One Piece video I have ever seen! I cannot wait to see how you do the other parts.
Also, I love everyone's idea about Thriller Bark being the month long Halloween specials in this universe were the 4kids One Piece adaptation continues.
Also Brooks running gag should be instead of panties, he has sort of a Brock from Pokemon vibe and just flirts very poorly.
People forget that Funimation's original dub was ironically worse, not the voice acting but the censoring is less creative than the 4piece dub. No lollipop, they just cut out the cig all together in the original Funi dub and all violence is just flashing lights
Well, you have to understand that it was literally one week later the dub switched on TV so they were still constraint to whatever TV rating that they were already slotted into, however, they wanted to be much more faithful to the original show so they only edited what they needed to edit rather than all the unnecessary editing.
It was less creative with it’s edits but when it comes to being an actually good censored adaptation of One Piece it’s way better than 4Kids. You could watch the edited FUNimation version and switch to the uncut version with very little confusion, you could not do that with 4Kids. Also FUNi wins for keeping the original music and having much more accurate dialogue.
I cannot believe this is your first video THIS IS AMAZING I cannot wait to see what you do with the rest of this project!!!
But please do make sure to pace yourself
Dude I expected a WAY higher sub count judging by the quality of the video. Keep it up. (Can't wait to see you try handle summit war!)
56:10 had me cackling for no good reason, you've earned my comment.
But this is such a good video, I really admire how much thought and research you put into a premise that the majority of people would have just half-assed. Because who cares about the 4-kids dub of One Piece in 2025? Very keen to see more, should you decide to continue!
Really cool video, your ideas for a continuation are pretty neat. I really liked how you worked "Erbaf" into the plot, personally.
Genuinely shocked to see so few views / subs, from the video alone i would've guessed you were WAY more established than this. Very excited to see where you go from here, can't wait for the next part!
This video was such a passionate love letter to every aspect of one piece! can't wait for part 2!
I haven't finished watching this yet, but I really hope this video blows up. It's so interesting to hear you clear up popular misconceptions about the show. And it's nice to see somebody talk about the 4Piece VAs kindly. A lot of people get mean spirited about it, but really the Cali accent standard for anime dubs makes a bit less sense for a One Piece dub than what 4Piece chose to do. They are traveling the world after all. (Also it's just fun to have characters who don't all talk like they're from downtown LA.) No shade to Funimation, those dub voices are also good, and the voice direction (especially after Skypeia) is worlds cleaner than 4Piece. But I do sometimes miss the days of anime dubs being a bit less homogenized. Also, picturing all of Germa 66 having NY accents makes me giggle. Just imagining all the different accents characters could have is wonderful. Hungarian Perona would add years to my life expectancy.
Didn’t even think of Germa yet, what a grand idea.
I always thought 4Kids would have censored the Franky scene with Robin by giving him a purple nurple instead
Wait.. THAT’S WHAT’S HAPPENING IN THAT SHOT?!
@noxidgaming1114 you mean in the original?
@ no, I just realised what is happening in the original based off of your censorship idea
bruh you didnt know his balls were getting crushed? Lmao@noxidgaming1114
@noxidgaming1114 She was crushing his balls in the original. A purple nurple is when you pinch and twist someone's nipples.
You should pitch this idea to those TFS (Team Four Star) people, they have the resources to try getting the original 4kids voice actors or just do it themselves. It would be so fun to see this continued with corny jokes added and all.
if Yassop ends up being Colon's father the story about him going to Elbaf would actually work so well
He's still a bum
Dude, this is awesome. These changes are honestly impressive. It’s an amazing thought experiment. And it’s great you were able to shed light on some common misconceptions about 4Piece that needed correcting.
But yeah, but for project that has to cut and change so much you do a good job of closing those loops. I had no idea what you were going to do about Oimo and Kashi and good on you for that solution.
No idea what on earth you’re going to do about Thriller Bark and Laboon though, that’s gonna be tough. Though Thriller Bark shouldn’t be too difficult to deal with, it’s not like America doesn’t have Halloween episodes.
Except Absolam. Maybe we should just remove Absolam.
If you boogie woogie with the boogie powder, then your boogie days are over
I think the skull jump scare is an ok because it doesn’t really imply so much a sudden or graphic death, but any scene of it being played around with should probably be cut.
Turning any card games to Go Fish or Old Maid is a must.
Blackbeard having a stereotypical pirate accent sounds perfect for 4 Piece.
But here I’d like to add Bellamy definitely deserves an Australian accent. And I think a tame change to Noland’s backstory would actually be to omit his execution. Having him being disgraced as a liar and desperately trying to get people to believe him or prove the City of Gold true sounds more in line with 4 Piece’s tone. Finally this is a 50/50 thing but they might have gone all the way and called the City of Gold, El Dorado. Since it’s a very popular legend in western culture.
The censorship Funni made for broadcasting was done to make it seem more in line with 4 piece since it started up not long after it ended. They removed all the religious references and edited out Sanji’s cigarette completely so that certain things would not be drastically changed. But their way of handling the God situation was actually pretty fine just referring to the priests as sky knights and god as king or lord(as in the title). Especially Gran Fall already sets the Sky Knight imagery up for us. But if you really want to go for something a bit more spiritual without being directly religious, instead of God, or Kami you could use something like Spirits.
Wyper with a tooth pick and a toyish purple bazooka sounds perfect and gives me life friend.
Most of your changes to the flashback sound possible to pull off with the right edits and dialogue.
As a Sanji fan god it kills me to remove his I needed a lite line. But burnt sugar is probably the best thing 4 piece can do.
I might keep in the G8 filler just because it’s actually really well liked by the one piece anime community. Many fans practically consider it canon and it’s a bunch of goofy nonsense. I can only imagine the kind of meme worthy goofy nonsense 4 piece could do. But we could take it or leave it.
Long Ring Long Land is definitely a must because for one it makes a ton of sense to do these wacky races style games in 4 piece. And Foxy needs a silly cartoony accent since he’s probably the least serious villain in the story.
I half want if they will keep Aokiji’s name as well Aokiji or translate it as something like Blue Bird. This would of course make Akainu Red Dog(bring on the Clifford jokes), and Kizaru as something like “Yellow Monkey or Ape” which ooooo boy would be the one that causes trouble. But maybe it could be worked around. I also think that they might give accents to the admirals possible Italian, because they might translate some of that Yakuza tough guy energy they radiate into a Italian mafia vibe with them(Bage is quaking in his boots).
Since you brought up the giants at this point. You can also drop some hints of giants back in Skypiea. What with the beanstalk and have some of the people there say that giants do exist out there in the grand line. Backed up by Robin who would know about Giants because of Saul. This could trigger the idea of Yassop telling the story to Usopp as a kid and how nobody believes him because it sounds like a fairytale. Maybe that can be a thing to also add on to Usopp’s character as to why he tells tall tales. It even works with the fact the Red Hair pirates are on friendly terms with the giants because it was them that met Dorry and Broggy.
The Finger Shock is a good enough name but I think Shot could also work but this is a relatively small potato here.
I’m conflicted on Franky’s accent. One of the oldest gag videos I had ever seen on if 4 kids continued one piece, was the fight between Franky and Nero on the sea train. They have Franky speaking in a full Arnold Schwarzenegger voice giving him a terminator sound. But I guess the surfer bro accent can work. Just if it has to be this way please give the Arnold voice to someone like Kuma or someone who’s robotic.
Oh and they would probably give Franky some shorts.probably edit in the style of trunks he wore in the flashback.
Backstreet Boys references sound hilarious.
Tangent: oooooooh Feminist Sanji > Racist Zor(l)o Let’s Goooooooooooo.
Btw Dorry and Broggy’s epithets are Blue Ogre and Red Ogre respectively even in the original Japanese. Like how Luffy’s epithet is Strawhat, or Shanks is Red Hair. The Elbaf being “Erbaf” thing can easily be worked around with it being a bad translation like Rogue Town or Logue Town. It’s clearly meant to be Fable spelled backwards.
Oh they will cut out the theme song. They might make him humming some superhero anthem though, something legally distinct.
I love action so to me Enies Lobby is always the highlight of the Water 7 saga. But yeah you’re right about all the edits that will have to be made to either cut away recaps and the robin abuse.
Like you said Ohara isn’t that graphic despite what actually goes on we just say that the island was destroyed and the scholars were behind it. Insinuating that they were all captured and imprisoned. Maybe hint at execution with Robin being the last of the scholars. I don’t remember if they ever mentioned Robin’s epithet Demon Child, but if they due bring it up you can change it to Child of Ohara exclusively.
Make. Saul. A. Cowboy. Hell make Ohara in general a southern sounding island.
Every thing about the Saul laugh, and Lucci’s backstory is fine with how you handled it.
Oh shit, you actually had the same idea about Shanks’s crew being the ones who met Dorry and Broggy. Neat.
I like the idea of using Rush over Jet if it has to be done. But just to be clear Luffy’s attacks where changed like this (Pistol > Blast, Shotgun > Quake, Bazooka > Double Barrel, Gatling > Rapid Fire, Bullet > Burst, Bowgun > Crossbow, Rifle > Drill, Gavel > Hammer, Sickle > Fist, Battle Axe > Axe, Giant Gavel > Giant Hammer, Windmill > Pinwheel).
Nah but these are some nice 4 piece names for Zoro and Sanji’s power ups.
Robin as Evil Child? Cursed Child? It should be maintained that government sees her as someone to be eliminated.
Aokiji making ice puns like Arnold Swartzenagger’s Mr. Freeze could fit the tone.
great video, cant wait to see part 2. But on a completely different note, LOVE your opening. I forgot how nostalgic those old ASCII games were
I love a good 'what if' challenge! This is a fantastic video! I can't wait for part 2 :)
However, I do not agree with changing saul's laugh lol
but I'll forgive the dislike of Enies Lobby
And yasopp telling Usopp about the giants is a wonderful workaround of the missing little garden :)
Oh wow, fancy seeing you here! Just stopping by to tell you that I really enjoyed your One Piece journey!
@ it’s been an incredible time!
Yeah curious on how Brooke will be handled.
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Brook should be fine since he is a goofy skeleton and halloween is a concept in America. Just cut out mentions of panties and replace it with asking for a kiss, which should be ok.
As for Laboon…uh maybe he should pull the yassop card again.
The taking a break in the middle of reading an arc was real - I stopped for a long time during fishman island, and when I started reading again, I sped through it because it felt so long, and I didn't really care all that much about it except for a few parts. When I got to it in my anime watch through, I liked it better (still think it could have been shorter though). For my brother, it was the Skypiea arc, lol.
Really well put together, it's hard to believe this is your first video
Really enjoyed hearing about some new information about 4 Piece. Best new TH-camr I've had recommended to me!
46:23 Hold up. His writing is this fire!? 🔥
I love how you essentially gave Lucci Advanced Armament Haki in your version of 4piece.
As someone with a deep appreciation for 4piece I love this video. I talk about it once a month at least I think it’s hilarious. I’ve always wished someone would do a fan project attempt to continue the spirit of 4piece
It's weird hearing people talking about "4piece" like it's some relatively unknown cultural artifact is CRAZY, having grown up with it.
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I was laughing at how crazy the Arabic HxH dub was and then I remembered growing up with 4Piece.
Excellent video, as someone who thinks the 4kids dub gets way too much hate I really appreciate someone coming at it from a similar angle
I imagine if/when u do wano, when we hear about Nika, instead of 'sun god nika' its 'sun hero nika' and instead of talking about him like hes a god and prisoners praying to him, they talk about him like he was the superman of the one piece world, hope that makes sense!
I loved this btw, its hilarious to imagine how the series could have been if 4kids still had the series' dub
36:00 I want to Chime in and say that Bellamy and Blackbeard do have 4kids voices as heard in One Piece: Pirates Carnival.
Edit: Apparently Dorry and Broggy were as well, this is crazy.
As someone who was introduced to One piece primarily from chapters printed in monthly Shounen Jump magazines and 4 Piece. I definitely cringe a bit when I watch it but it’s not a bad cringe it’s fun and over the years I see more and more people agree that it’s not a good dub at all, but they have a nostalgia for it and enjoy it for what it is.
Great in depth analysis!! Cant wait to see more. Subscribed
”Gravity Blue Riders” Are we sure this isn’t a Sonic Free Riders reference? 😂
Loved your new script, you were very creative, you clearly put a lot of effort on it.
Seein' as the vid's almost a week old atm, ya likely won't see this. Oh well.
I don't know what I expected goin' into this, but I can say after watchin' that I'm very much blown away w/ the quality of your 4Kids-ified rewrites. Everything ya proposed made sense within the confines of how they dubbed the show as well as the overarching "-isms" that permeated throughout almost all of 4Kids' dubs. On that front, I can't wait for Part 2!
The other front which I wanna commend ya on is your more objective/unbiased view of 4Piece as it is. Now, I didn't grow up w/ it, but I did grow up with lots of other 4Kids dubs(& I actually found the time to watch all of 4Piece a couple years back). It's always been a curiosity to me, and upon watchin' it n' learnin' info 'bout it's production(Some of which came from this video, some I already knew), I found that it ain't quite as bad as people make it out to be. I especially enjoy the voicework(Find it overall better than Funi's voices, tbh), and that alone makes me sad that it didn't turn out better. To give some additional info Ik 'bout 4Kids as a company, I think this really could've worked if some things just went slightly differently. For one, I need to correct ya a bit 'bout the TV ratings system. Ya got the basics right, but you've forgotten one crucial detail.
4Piece aired on public TV originally.
For reasons too intricate to get into here, in the US, the limitations of what can be shown to kids on public TV are WAY more strict than they are for cable. To give an anime example, OG Naruto-- which aired on Cartoon Network-- got away w/ showin' plenty of blood n' talkin' 'bout stuff like death. On public TV, such things are forbidden. Because of this, I wonder how different the dub could've been if they made a deal to air it on Toonami(Which it eventually did anyway). There's actually existing precedent for this, as this is exactly what happened w/ Yu-Gi-Oh! GX. If ya watch that dub, it's clear that it stays a bit closer to the source than other 4Kids dubs(The elusive season 4 notwithstanding). Had they done this for One Piece, they probably could've gotten away w/ a lot more.
As for 4Kids as a company, one thing I don't hear tons of people talk about is their experimentation w/ uncut dubs. Of course, most know 'bout the short-lived uncut Yu-Gi-Oh! & Shaman King dubs, but they almost expanded into that realm fully. I forget when(I think '07?) 4Kids announced a new label called "4Sight," whose intention was to obtain more mature licenses n' *produce uncut dubs*. Tragically, due to financial issues, it never got off the ground, but it's interesting to think what could've been if this idea was thought of, like, four years earlier. 4Kids really almost became the new Central Park Media xD.
This dub is one of my biggest "what if's" I think about. It really is a case of "if only a few things went slightly differently". In a perfect world, 4Piece would have a similar standing to their Yu-Gi-Oh! dubs, where it ain't perfect, but is seen as tolerable by even some hardcore fans. But we don't live in that world, as this is also the world where a few bad decisions ultimately led to the demise of 4Kids, leaving only Media Blasters to pick up the pieces of New York anime dubbing.
I miss 4Kids.
@@notJCS I’ve been reading all my comments. Thanks for watching and for the insights! It’s clear I don’t have a full understanding of 4Kids history or the climate of the telecommunications world it existed in. If I make a video discussing the studio itself or the actual existing dub in the future, I’ll keep this all in mind.
This is a really interesting and insightful analysis, and I'm looking forward to part 2 (I really wanna see how you'd do thriller bark and marineford)
As someone who grew up with one piece 4kids. I thought everyone knew the joke about belle mere?
The joke was supposed to be she's still in the dungeon when we saw her grave sign
But yeah how one piece pokemon and berserk all have the same dub VA are just hilarious
It’s very possible the joke went over my head, but I still think there’s a majority of people who bought into it and really believe it’s an inconsistency. Thanks for the perspective!
@blastbee yeah I think most people now a days have a Mandela effect of it. Back then most people who reviewed 4kids one piece mentioned how it was somehow worse than being shot as she still passed away but in the dungeon instead meaning they were basically torturing her
Can't wait to see what you do next with this concept, I'm excited to see it 👍🏼
This was a fantastic video! I have often pondered this question when talking about one piece with my friends. I am glad someone took the time to actually make this and to do it in such scientific and well edited video!
Please do a part 2, or a more in depth discussion about the 4kids dub in general like you did in the first part of the video I liked watching this
This is all pretty solid! Definetly exited to see what else you can cook up for this theoretical 4Piece continuation (eventually)
The robin ball crushing would honestly be easier to do as her tickling Franky with some snappy editing. I think sometimes you underestimate how easily you can edit things in this show
As easy as it is to mock and complain about 4Piece, it's refreshing to see someone actually take a fair look at the entire show and clear up misconceptions that even I wasn't aware of after years of nothing but talk about how bad it is. Great vid!
Yes please!
Honestly i really like you going into this fairly unbiased about the 4Kids dub. Was it amazing? No. Was it super faithful? No. But like all creative works, nobody made it with the intent of making something crappy. The people who made it had a vision and i always feel bad when stuff is dismissed for the same 3 reasons (lollipop Sanji, Bellemere dungeon, and Helmeppo gun hammer.)
Dorry & Brogy were referred to as the Red & Blue Ogres of the Giant Pirates, I think, so that might be why they were referred to like that on the cards.
i would actually LOVE a full video on just ur experience watching 4piece >:)
Wow!! This video was definitely well thought out and put together! I just subscribed to make sure i catch the next video you put out!!
I really appreciate how you did your own homework and watched the 4kidz dub instead of just parroting what everyone else has said about it and pointed out some misconceptions too!
The one thing i wonder how 4kids wouldve handled is Yamato and Kiku in the Wano arc due to 4Kids' weird relationship with LGBT charafters and gender queer characters. If youve seen the dub of Yu-Gi-Oh GX they made Yubel into a woman when in the Japanese version they were on the nonbinary spectrum being bigender (both male and female) and 4Kids even went so far as to give them an extra breast instead of the half man half woman body from the Japanese version. Given how Yamato directly challenges a lot of perception of gender, preferring to be referred to with masculine terminology while presenting female it makes me wonder if they'd just flat out make him a woman like they did with Yubel
The dedication to respecting and researching the source material as well as the 4kids dub is amazing here. I for one am really nostalgic and appreciative for what the 4kids dub did and how creative they were in their cesnorship. Obviously they made some weird decisions sometimes, but I agree that they got way too much hate. Great video, you have earned a sub my man
That has to be the coolest video intro ive seen
Your passion and research in this video is awesome c: i hope you make more, looking forward to the card game vid and the future arc reimaginings c:
Holy crap i could not believe this is your first video. Love your style and great production quality. I can't wait to see more from you.
Maybe in 4kids before Sanji's mom was imprisoned, she would often buy him lollipops
I remember my first exposure to One Piece was the 4KidsDub. I honestly wrote the whole series off because of that exposure and could not understand why so many people kept talking about it as one of the best modern anime.
It wasn’t till after Ace died that my baby brother got me into it watching the REAL show. Now I’m one of the nut-jobs who doesn’t watch the Anime anymore because I’ve been reading the Manga as it’s released on Viz since early Dressrosa.
59:03 That's not 4kids messing about. That's his epithet. He is Broggy, the red oni. "Oni' is commonly translated as "ogre"
I’m actually pretty sure that those were Dorry and Brogy’s epithets in the show in reference to Momotaro’s mythology 59:05 . Great video though can’t wait for part 2!
This was an incredible video! I’m definitely sticking around to see what else is in store for this channel, can’t wait to see how you tackle the rest of the arcs!
Fantastic video 👏
This a really really well made and researched video. Its cool to speculate on how the other arcs would turn out and it was nice hearing you not just take a huge dump on it
I feel like there literally nothing to censor on thriller bark. Since it's a haunted mansion setting. I can see this episode being aired as a massive halloween special aired on october to early november
As someone who isn't even a One Piece fan, this is an insanely accessible and enjoyable video. My props, and I can't wait for Part 2!
I had heard that Battleship Island, Laboon and Little Garden were removed because 4kids wanted to get to Chopper quicker.
now THIS is the kind of the content I've been looking for from OP TH-cam
You mentioned Gum Gum Pistol was named Gum Gum Rocket. Its actually renamed Gum Gum Blast in the 4kids version.
I hope that when you get to Sabaody you give Bege the most stereotypical 20's gangster voice
I actually loved the 4kids One Piece as a kid. It helped me actually become a fan of the real show years later. As someone with that kind of connection to the show, I really appreciate this video. Super fun thought experiment! I look forward to the next installment!
This is a great video and a really interesting discussion. I've always thought about this scenario and am glad to see it explored. I think a lot of the changes you made were very creative and elegant in their simplicity. 4 kids was my introduction to one piece and i certainly have a soft spot for it. I'm with you in thinking it is overly hated online and see the charm in it. You definitely earned my subscription. Hope you keep it up! 👍
great video man!! bell's on for pt 2
I think one (maybe unintended?) consequence of using the Yassop Exposition Machine is that making Yassop a decent father probably retroactively makes the Pirates Are Coming part of Cocoyasi arc infinitely more sad cause now Ussop still believes in his dad despite all the time that flew by. I think it's neat at least
As for later arcs, Nami becomes a nightmare post timeskip due to Oda being Oda. If it didn't get canceled by Enies Lobby for being a bit outdated, it definitely might get canceled because of the budget going into covering Nami or editing around her.
Brook might be an interesting case, considering how much death is a part of his story. I could imagine maybe instead of being dead his crew's souls got sucked into Gecko Moria's body in order to power him up. As for Laboon, you could *maybe* replace his goal then to find all the lost souls of his crew and bring it back to their bodies?
Amazon Lily becomes a nightmare for the editors, Eneru rest their souls.
Yamato's gender might be a slight source for controversy, though by the time it comes up LGBTQ+ themes in kids shows would have been less taboo. I could imagine, if not directly trans, he'd be heavily implied to be. A similar case could be made for Kiku.
Dude I have been wanting to watch the 4 peice dubs FOREVER now! I'm not even a fan of one peice, im just really into 4kids history. Watching this video has been a blast and I'm definitely watching that podcast after!
I thought it was understood that people knew Bellmare was dead and her still being in the dungeon was just a gag or meme. Basically death is allowed but we can’t show anyone die or say that they just died.
One of my favorites was in the Romance Dawn flashback the guy who points a gun at shanks that gets shot point blank by Lucky Roux was “just shot by a pop gun”
No, doofuses insists she's alive in the 4kids dub and that the strawhats are dumb for not saving her after defeating Arlong...
I loved this so much!! I think this is a interesting thought experiment!
So, here's a unique question: What if 4Kids HADN'T skipped Little Garden?
You don't have to do that right away, and certainly not in the next video, since there's still a lot more material to adapt. It would just be a neat side video to think about in the future.