Curator Q&A #9: Chobham Armour | The Tank Museum
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- In his latest Q&A, Curator David Willey talks Chobham Armour, collecting Soviet tanks, vehicle blueprints, live-firing and gin! tankmuseumshop.org/collection... SUBSCRIBE to The Tank Museum TH-cam channel: ► / @thetankmuseum
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Very British Video. Expert in his garden (with shirt and tie on) with a random array of stuff on a table reading questions out of a notebook. Pauses occasionally to lob a ball for his dog. Loving every single one of these.
its just humane and down to earth, i think its why its so enjoyable to watch.
What was it Richard Smith (Director of the museum) said about the British? Something about enjoying making difficult things appear effortless?
Very relaxing to watch and listen to, quintessential English, love it
If I could set out there and listen to him I would break down and put on a dress shirt and a tie - even if I have not worn one in 20 years. Of course one problem might come up that's a border collie and I might find myself socializing with the dog.
Quintessential!
Finn-stabilised, trouser-piercing, discarding tennis ball
:D
FSTPDBTB?
How shocking!
As much as the plague has been an awful thing, it has given us this.....😉 I don’t suppose that it can continue indefinitely but it’s been a pleasure to behold so far! 👍🏻👍🏻
As mentioned earlier “English Gentleman, wearing shirt and tie, sits in back garden and answers a plethora of questions, whilst occasionally reaching under the table to retrieve a well slobbered ball, in order to fling it up the garden for his dog....”! Absolutely priceless....🤪👍🏻👍🏻
God save the Curator!
I was about to mention the exact same thing. This is everything great about Great Britain and why I admire them so much as a peoples! It saddens me, even breaks my heart, to know they're being genocided slowly and silently in their ancestral homelands with genocidal levels of displacement migration. When it comes to primary school enrollment they are down to 13% of the population. So it's feasible within our lifetime we will see the end of the English, Scottish, Welsh, and Irish. If not our lifetime, then definitely our childrens lifetime, with nearly zero chance of them surviving to our grandchildrens lifetime. Suicidal altruism. I wonder if that's how Rome fell? Listening to weak men and women who wanted them to open their gates to the invaders, because the invaders pretended they weren't just there to loot the place, even though they're clearly not there to be Romans.
By the third glass the Dutch gin starts tasting good - is the damningest faint praise I've ever heard.
@wakenbaker-uk It is after a fourth glass of the Dutch gin.
You haven't met my ex-boss then, in fact you have either lived very little or haven't met many people...
When my dad was in the Royal Navy they did an exercise with the dutch navy and back in port visited each others ships. The Dutchmen in the mess dad visited presented the Brits with a bottle of Dutch gin with hand written Dutch on it- he only found out years later that they have written any Dutchmen seeing the by now empty bottle was honour bound to replace it with a full one for the Brits.
@@Cloudman572 that's a mighty fine gift, I must say. We worked with Royal Navy, Dutch, and German ships on my 2nd deployment. Those Continentals drank like fish in the bars!
Not even faint praise, it's merely a dry insult. "Dutch gin only tastes good when you're already drunk". Damning with faint praise is more subtle. "The Dutch have their own special take on gin, and I'm told that some people are even fond of it!"
Hmm. I might have to steal "Life-defining moment" to use alongside "significant emotional event"
Curiously, Tamiya model kits in museum online store including currency conversion to Canukistan rubles and overseas delivery are not much more expensive than buying locally. I ordered 5 kits. Cool.
You are lucky, i am in Canada and if i want to buy a book the delivery and duty makes the price go thru the roof. I wish there was a way to get these great books here
@@aiglis I bought a couple of books * the shipping was astronomical.
Would YOU buy a second-hand armoured vehicle from this man? Oh, yes! David, you are a star - thank you.
LOL!... LOL! Thank you so much for remembering! Glad you're having fun with it. ;-) I'll have to have a look thru your shop now then won't I?
I bet Fin would like those socks if you rolled them up in a ball, Army style. Chewy fun for hours!
The Curator and Finn would be the good name for a comic book series.
“The curator” sounds like he would oversee a bunch of late-teen tank crews, almost GuP-style
I so Love these Chats in the Garden - I could watch them forever.
"You're showing just a little too much Churchill at the Moment!" Priceless 👍🏻
I actively look forward to the clap at the beginning of each episode.
Tanks, dogs and fishing ? That's it ! You have reached the pinnacle of human existence.
And gin, don't forget the gin.
@@nonamesplease6288 and the Tea, don't forget the Tea 😁
The Curator has his priories in order!
We have been very lucky with this here in Aust. From us in the RAAC to you in the RAC and at Bovington (the global home of the Corps) all the very best and hope things improve there very soon.
Wonderful. Love these simple talks.
I'm going to have to start buying from the online shop. Dithered for two years over my next visit. Doh.
T shirts wearing out.
Greetings again from Australia.
These videos really brighten my day, so thank you for all your time and effort David.
Thank you so much for all of these lately. Learning soooo much good stuff! You all stay safe.
Really enjoying these videos. I spend each day in isolation, working in my attic at my computer and it puts a smile on my face every time I see a new one of these. Great stuff. Thanks for keeping us going.
For whatever reason, I find it incredibly relaxing to watch these.
Border collies are so relentless. I love it. They are even alert when they are sleeping.
Wait till he throws the ball and the dog comes back with a sheep,after the genetics kick in.
German Shepherd Collie mix! Best all around guard watch and herd dog we ever had!
That's debatably the world's smartest dog!
14:20 re: the presence of a tank, the Chieftain (Nicholas Moran) has mentioned that when he was deployed in Iraq, showing up in an Abrams tended to make unruly crowds very well-behaved, very quickly indeed.
I guess it's good idea to have tanks when you illegally invade, occupy and destroy a foreign nation.
@@WilhelmDrake I guess you wouldn't want to invade, occupy and destroy your own nation. Unless you're the Russians and they never seem sure what's theirs and what isn't. 😉
Sort of like Jeremy Clarkson saying the GPS in his Mercedes kept telling him to invade Poland.
They should be doing that in the US right now with the riots. Bring in some tanks and armored cards with watercannon attached
@@Kellen6795 Big problem is they aren't all rioters. There are genuine protesters and the thugs are using them as cover. This requires boots on the ground and lots of restraint using less than lethal alternatives. We swear oaths to serve the constitution as well as state and federal laws. That includes respecting the right to speak your mind, gather peacefully and protest. Not even counting concerns of collateral damage and lives.
I quaffed my Tiger Day beer on a sunny afternoon in the back garden last weekend. It was lush!
[Edit] P.S. Whoever packed the order had done a fantastic job. Glass and bottles well padded and arrived safely.
Yet another very informative session. All of them have been so interesting and also added to my knowledge. Glad that you are moving back towards opening but oh please continue these chats, they are pure gold.
As much as I love the Tank Chats and Tank Workshop Diaries, this is fast becoming my favorite part of the channel. Lots of great bits and pieces of information but I think the less formal, personal approach of these videos is what I like the most. Hope that the entire staff stays safe and healthy and looking forward to the next video.
best advertisement for a museum store i have ever seen :-) . keep up the good work
Tea should be brewed for 3 to 4 minutes to allow the Flavenoids to diffuse out of the leaves. Flavenoids are suggested to have both antioxidant and anti-cancer properties, particularly against bowel cancer and smoking related cancer.
At any temperature - a wet is a wet!
Finn: I bring the ball back but the silly human keeps throwing it away!
I instinctively feel like the curator of the tank museum should throw the ball with something... with a somewhat higher firepower. Should give the dog plenty of exercise.
雀海 give Finn a mini Schwerer gustav
@@Puffin_777 I used to use my pro tennis racket (it was wood and old) to launch tennis balls.
As always, really enjoyed the chat, sat making notes on what I am going to buy from the shop, cheers
Appreciate the response David, thank you. Wasn't aware the Cruisers had a rear-facing MG. Every day's a school day :)
As a young trooper from C Sqn, 4/7 RDG, I was attached to AW/MVEE (Armaments Wing / Military Vehicle Engineering Establishment) Kircudbright in Scotland for 2 years1975 to 1977.
One of our major projects was the live firing trials with Chieftain against Chobham Armour plates. They were rigs covered in steel containing the Chobham Armour, there were many varied configurations tested.
The firing was done remotely with the turrets unmanned, and normal sights were not used, we laid on with the Boresight for accuracy +/- 10cm at 200m.
We fired mainly APDS, but sometimes uprated to a higher than normal muzzle velocity and sometimes HESH rounds. Cannot of course comment on the results. As crews we fired more rounds in a week than the average crew fired in a whole year.
The armour didn’t arrive in service on the Challenger 1 for another 8 years in 1983.
As you can imagine security was tight. This was only one of many interesting projects undertaken at that time.
Alexander Challis. Sorry, don’t understand your point regarding the Conquerer? We were testing the Chobham armour not the gun.
There were rumours that years before there were during live firing trials with the Conqueror at Kircudbright where it was fired with the dummy Obturators fitted which blew back into the turret killing the crew. In my time the dummy Obturator was a complete plug stopping any chance of of loading a live round.
We had a few Conqueror hulks on the range park, the turret was huge to allow for the loading mechanism which used a brass cased round instead of the bag charges we used.
I have bought the T-34 Haynes manual and it is a fantastic read, chock full of detailed information and history. Well worth the price!
Thank god for these videos! Love these videos!
Another excellent talk. Thank you
How many tanks do you need? answer: n+1 where 'n' equals the number of tanks you already have.
That's what I say to my wife when I want to buy a new gun, always one more!
Top man. I've got the same ball thrower! Great chat as usual. Always something new to learn. Cheers.
These are the highlight of my online week. I'm as enthusiastic for these Q&As as Finn is for his tennis ball.
Thanks David for answering my question.
Great little video, always enjoy these & David Fletcher's tank chats. Keep up the good work &
hope to see you guys at Tankfest in September.
Lovely job yet again Mr Willey! Look forward to seeing you behind the counter in the shop one day... BTW my Colditz boardgame arrived less than two weeks after ordering! Many thanks from this ex-Gordon out in Oz.
Thank you for the enlightening discussion by the Professor and Finn.
I just joined your Patreon scheme, largely due to how much enjoyment I have gotten out of these chats with the Curator and Director. I hope you consider continuing them even after this is all behind us.
Thank you , Mr Willey
A marvelous video as always!
Thank you for posting these videos
Just had a copy of the Haynes D Day manual from the museum shop, fascinating read particularly to see how some threads that I first came across perhaps 50 years ago such as COPP surveys, window, X craft and photo recon all came together, thanks for the recommendation and quick service.
Brilliant, a Tank Museum video presented by the Curator and his dog :)
Shock !!tea first then milk!!! also the gin talk , i think Davids isolation is begining to tell!! hehe Great Vid long live Fin
Milk first? A nation mourns. (See Forgotten Weapons - scenes!)
@@burlatsdemontaigne6147 good one !!
@John Smith - Eh? What? It's the THIN porcelain that's the GOOD stuff. The thinner the better. Looks fragile, but it's totally shockproof and unbreakable until the cat jumps up and proves otherwise. Thick porcelain is only good for toilet bowls.
People who put milk in a cup before the tea are beings of infinite evil and quite beyond the pale. Ghastly upstarts, they probably think it's necessary to raise one's little finger when drinking. Horrible. Wrong. Ugh. No. Bad. Stop it. Nasty. Like those Merkins who have teabags with strings on them that dangle over the side of the cup like tampons. Ridiculous. No wonder those colonist chappies ended up dumping all that tea in Boston Harbour. (Yes, Harbour, not Harbor.)
I can't afford proper thin porcelain, so I use a 2-pint enamelled tin mug instead. It's not only cat-proof - it bounces when you drop it - but a drink stays hot for half an hour. Good for dunking biscuits, too. (You can wade in to fish-out the soggy bits.)
25:00 I have always wondered what those lines on the turret of the tank from Pegasus Bridge were.
Thanks for clearing that for us!
Great show as ever.
I do thank you for making GREAT episodes, most notable during these troubling times. I also appreciate your explaining things in depth as I had no idea what Chobham armor is. Now I want to bring up the major reason why American equipment was designed the way it was is that when the US adopted the M1903 Springfield rifle, Mauser took the US government to court and was awarded a royalty on the rifle and parts production. Since then, the US and its defense contractors did not necessarily design the best equipment, but they made sure to avoid all outside patents and copyrights.
I am saving up for the inflatable 88mm round and the tank book because they explained in the live tankfest that every purchase would help fund future projects and keep the museum alive
That was splendid.
I'd like to witness one of Mr Willey's conversations with Finn, especially when they have different opinions and evaluate their points of view.
Weird question for the ww2 period.....what was the mechanic to tank ratio ie: when tanks were damaged / broke down, did they all go to a central repair tool? where there main repair teams etc? (asking about mainly german panzer divisons)
Excellent question regarding logistics and maintenance teams. Hopefully this gets some research.
If a WWII German tank broke down on the march this would happen. First, the tank pulls out of the column (if able) and puts out a standard 'broken down' marker behind the tank. This is so vehicles in column behind do not think this is a road halt and stop. The column just passes and leaves broken down tank. At this point the crew will be analyzing problem. If they cannot fix problem they sort out the tow cables ready for towing. Always last in a column 'serial' is a light car with a sergeant mechanic (sometimes called the Convoy Maintenance Sgt), and a motorcycle dispatch rider. The sergeant will advise and organise a tow if needed. Comms would be by the dispatch rider. First port of call when tow arrives would be to the units own maintenance section. (Note, if own serial in the column has passed, they wait until a break in the column, they never enter another units serial). At the units own maintenance section (usually but not always at battalion), the vehicle will be evaluated. If fixable then and there, or within a few days it stays with unit. If a longer or complex repair is needed the vehicle will be passed back to either Regiment or even Divisional repair facilities. Even sometimes back to factory for rebuild. Crew is supposed to stay with the vehicle wherever it goes (except factory), but later in the war tended to stay with own unit due to manpower shortages.
Tanks damaged in combat were slightly different. On the attack the Germans were very good (and quick) at recovering damaged vehicles. Where they end up was as above. On the defense, especially during a retreat, it was very difficult or even impossible to make recovery possible. Hence in the later war years the Germans lost many vehicles for minor reasons - lack of fuel, track damage etc as recovery was not possible.
Info comes from Panzer Tactics by Wolfgang Schneider. A great book by the way. (I have simplified it as I do not have the book near me at the moment).
Davey
@Alexander Challis O_O could you please make your own videos as well? this material is perfect.
"We're never gonna get a complete line up"
*Cries in WarThunder
Loved the tank museum when I last went down there in 2016😬. But I just got some tea from your store. It's the least I could do 😅. Keep up the interesting videos 👍
Yes I must say that the Guidebook is very good value for money. Having read it I keep going back to it repeatedly (despite having numerous other books on the subject), this book really hits the spot with the photography and the the artwork in watercolour of Alamein Ridge by A J Ingram .That is just wonderful; it is worth buying the book just for that piece of art.
Is Finn stabilised? We must be told!!
He's meat seeking.
Shame he's a tank dog - would have gone well in the luftwoofer
Thank you ........🍻
Thank you for answering!!!! you pronounced the name right as well!!
You're a good salesman Mr Willey. I just ordered 4 books and a churchill III model.
This was supposed to be my year for travel and the tank museum was tops on my list, so maybe next year... Either way, at least now I won't have to carry a bunch of books back in my suitcase.
My dad used to drink Beefeater's martinis and I always liked their aroma. My mom's family were Scots and were very particular about how to make proper tea. I have never had Dutch gin but after 3 shots, I'm positive I would love it as well!
I’m laughing at your “Soviet Union” slip.
Can’t wait until we can visit the Tank Musuem: maybe we could all wear NBC gear? Got my bits and pieces from the shop yesterday... thanks.
Dear old Finn! What a terrific dog he is.
You should try rust modules on your tanks and other vehicles. They put a slight electrical charge ( that's supplied by the vehicle's charging system) to the metal that protects the steel. They are popular in North America especially on highway snowplows.
Very entertaining on many levels - first you provided an excellent review of the history of tanks and related technology - and then add some comedy provided by the family dog! Thank you.😀👍
FYI My Dad was a PTO at FVRDE and remembers playing with some of the filler on a table top with a boffin back in the late 60s.
The Gerlich guns. HE versus AP performance balances. A problem seldom addressed in works on topic is excessive barrel wear. That's why Germany went to the "Cone Bore" instead of an all tapered bore, allowing areas of greatest barrel wear to be quickly swapped out for fresh.
I bought several books from the webstite, ( *ludicrously inexpensive* ) including the Haynes manual for the Flak 88 :P.
I can not reccomend the website enough, some real Easter eggs to be discovered...
As regard to preserving vehicles outside like a gate guard the best I can think is keep them clean where possible. Waxoyl areas that can't be seen and maybe sand and repaint the areas that are on show
Because of this video, as an Aussie, the next time I'm in the neighbourhood I'm going to pop into your Tank Museum. It might not be tomorrow, but it will happen. See you then mate!
I would love to see any of those tanks (T-44, IS-2, or IS-3) at the museum!
@16.45...The place name in the Netherlands is Soesterberg, where the Museum is. Pronounced..Soosterberg or Suesterberg. I live in Soest up the road from there. I had terible trouble with my English accent as everyone thought o was saying Zoosterberg...it is a soft S, Soesterberg. Dutch lesson number 1 accomplished. :)
That Chuck-It is giving some riveting, off screen, good boy action
Have the first three Der Tiger volumes. Highly recommend them. Some great shots, I particularly like the first volume and the photos of 501 in Tunisia.
The Belgian Army Museum at Bastogne has a JSIII and a ISU152. Bovington need an Abrams as well.
The Murcans have a couple of Challengers.It would only be polite to reciprocate.Its not like they have,nt got enough!
My copy of The Tank Book came this week along with the Bullet flask!...
I am one happy bloke, (and I'm American🙂) cheers and be safe
A few years ago the Centaur at Pegasus Bridge was relocated to the nearby museum and cosmetically restored. There's now a 40mm Bofors in its place. Poor thing had some serious rust damage.
this man is the voice during the tank festival 🙌
Make blueprints of tanks as posters for shop. I think a lot of people will buy them.
Yep, I'd buy them, especially the early marks blueprints👍
If my next horse comes in a winner you've gotta share. Brill, as always.
Last time I was at Pegasus Bridge, the Centaur was inside the museum grounds.
Brewing tea for at least 3 minutes gives you a much better flavour. I'm a recent convert to this.
Brew for ten minutes. Strong tea is good tea.
Royal Artilery officer: _Oh, no ! The German panzers are coming over the rise and all of our 17pdr shells have just blown away in a gust of wind !_
(or: God is on the side of the non-inflatable ammunition).
We shouldn't make a joke about vital WW2 history. That there is an inflatable shell, to go with the dummy tanks that were dotted over SE England as part of the Normandy landings deception plan :)
@@rorschach6172 Ah, but that phantom army was an American phantom army and so wouldn't have had inflatable 17lbr shells.
@Alexander Challis Interesting, thanks. Actually a just _Archer_ based on a Valentine tanks and mounting a 17pdr gun, distinct from the 76mm though of similar calibre. Not using inflatable shells of course.
Finn is the bestest boy
... And I'm the baddest girl... ;-)
@@EleanorPeterson So, all the rumours are true! 😉
The sock in the cardboard mock-up looked just like a boomerang. I will expect royalties.
Great sales pitch David, just bought a Tiger T and a car sticker😎😎
I love the random side stint on tea, very British
The curator has lost his mind :-) Another enjoyable Q&A thanks DW
I was about to place a pretty big order but the shipping kills me. $150 order and the shipping a another $75. cut it down to $120 and the shipping went up to $78. Love you guys but I can't do that.
Have you tried marine grade epoxy paints for coating tanks, as compared to varnishing them? You'd need to shot blast and prime the surfaces first, so perhaps not best where you have original paintwork, but it'd give you a very hard wearing finish for outdoor displays.
The paint companies should be able to provide a colour match as well - I assume you have the RAL codes or similar for the vehicles, or they should be able to work from samples.
We've used Jotun, Hempel and International paints before. They hold up well in a marine environment on mild steel, so should be applicable to armoured vehicles.
My lockdown heroes!!!
Good show
We demand more dog content
On High Velocity, etc. Another thing to take into account is the weapons in the pipe line. There was less need for new ammo for the US 75mm (M1897 derivative) when there was the 76.2 mm gun replacing it in short order. Also, the US used what they called HVAP (high velocity armor piercing) ammo, which had similar performance to sabot. HVAP was putting a hard, dense tungsten core inside a light aluminum case, which could be fired without any modifications to existing guns. Sabot is almost always used in a non-rifled barrel.
One other comment on high velocity. The Germans went for overkill on their later guns (75mm in the Panther) because they could get a flat trajectory out to a longer range. For the tanker, it means that you don't have to guess the range to the target, which makes your shots much more accurate.
Facts, facts, facts, facts, facts, MERCH! Facts, facts, GIN, MERCH! Love it all though!
The deciding factor on whether the tools issued with a military vehicle, at least in modern service, are painted or not, is how recently a full tool layout and inspection is conducted in garrison. In garrison. Paint is readily available in garrison. Not so much in combat
35:59 never apologize for Finn!
Question for next Q&A video (not sure if it's been covered before, sorry if it has) what types of weapons were carried by tank crewman for self defence if they had to defended themselves from enemy infantry or when they had to abandon a wrecked tank was it just pistols and submachine guns or were there any specially designed weapons for tank crews?
Historically,America has a stellar reputation for sharing information, I don't think!
the thing about how and why the sherman is designed, there is a very good video by The Chieftan called something like "why the sherman is the way it is"
If Chobham is anything like the process we underwent with regards to our new carriers, then our "special relationship" with the USA, may of had a bigger impact.
I remember attending a brief around 98/99 and the navy were not impressed about the pressure they were under to use American equipment on the proposed carriers.
Politicians have stepped in to enforce purchases of equipment from USA and sharing of tech for decades.
Your dog looks like good fun, he clearly wants to play.