I found that if you roll the autopilot scroll wheel up or down 1 mph every so often the car is convinced youre paying attention so nags are less frequent. Also if you get a nag then scrolling the wheel is less annoying than shaking the steering wheel.
I noticed this, let's call it an 'anomaly', on my drive back from Des Moines a couple months ago. I was getting steering wheel nags regularly every 15-30 seconds, up to 1.5 minutes with sunglasses.
The ‘nag’ makes autopilot borderline useless. If I take my eyes to send a text or look at my phone it immediately gets mad and complains and turns it off. So I basically have to turn it off…use my phone…then turn it on. Useless
Turning it off to use your phone for a brief moment is more dangerous than just letting AP take over while you use your phone for a brief second. Good job, Tesla.
The new nags are a stupid hack by Tesla as a quick fix to the problems with their vision only systems. It has quite a few bugs that they are not spending time to fix but just add a quick piece of code to nag the driver and make autopilot useless.
Great video - but it might also be relevant what your setting is for your driving mode - just curious to know what mode you were using? I have found differences when being in Chill mode versus Standard versus Sport ... try the same set of tests you did, but with the different driving modes and see if there are any further differences!
@@TheGrahamisaacson I'm in 19 lrm3, and if you slide the visor to the side and pull it to you, it blocks the camera. Then, a steering wheel weight, and you are somewhat golden.
@@user-dt8hh9ni4r I just did it in my wife's almost-new model Y. I'm glad to hear my old dinosaur is still as good or better than the ugly black-trimmed models. Hands free is nice on the highway.
Just returned from my first trip using FSD Beta. 3900 miles roundtrip, FL to ND and back. I noticed the same sunglasses behavior with similar times between nags (I’m a nerd and timed them like you did). Nags are extremely annoying, combined with other irregularities like never once using a turn signal to merge, jumping into turn lanes unnecessarily (dived highways in Iowa, like you are on), hanging out in the left lane for no reason, alternately not moving left to pass slower traffic, etc., leads me to not renewing the subscription. I spent the last day of the trip using only Autosteer Beta (Enhanced Autopilot, that comes with FSD subscription) and found it a much more enjoyable drive as it has far better nag behavior (you can actually use the touchscreen). FSD is magical when it behaves, but often it’s just being a bad neighbor getting in everyone else’s way. One day it’ll be great, but for now it doesn’t enhance my life enough to be worth $199/ month.
Excellent point about the car nagging you when you adjust climate control or other things at the touch screen. It shows that having everything controlled through the touch screen instead of physical buttons means you *have* to look at the screen, away from the road. With physical buttons, muscle memory allows you to reach for a control without having to look, or at least a short glance. Definitely less than going through a menu on the screen.
I have always worn prescription sunglasses. Nags were not that bad until the Holiday update, then they became frequent and annoying. I changed sunglasses to a darker shade and it got better, but it is still worse than before the Holiday update. I considered S3xy buttons, but thought I would give it an update or two before trying active intervention. I use Teslogic which provides an additional screen directy in front of me, which makes spotting the nag message easier. I will start checking the CAN bus logs to see if there is any precursor indications prior to the actual nag message. I’m sure it won’t take much sleuthing to determine the duty cycle, and maybe some precursor indicators will turn up. Personally, I think the algorithm needs to be tuned. 1. Head up, eyes forward. 2. Hand or hands on wheel (camera determined should be fine as well as torque). Nag only if head or eyes drop more than x seconds (x depends on speed and surrounding traffic density). Higher speeds and heavier traffic generate a more frequent nags. Lower speeds and low density traffic produce less frequent nags. A quick glance to mirrors, or over the shoulder left or right for indicated lane changes does not produce nags or change the x second nag duty cycle.
great video and sunglass hack. I've also noticed that the amount of weight needed to tell the car you are there has increased. Not sure how to measure but its much more that what its felt like over the past 2 years. I'm running FSD Beta FWIW. I may need to pick up a few of the sexy buttons. Keep up the great fun content!
Do you know how much weight is now needed? I guess I will have to weigh my forearm to find out. Try this… hold the steering wheel with one hand and then with both hands. See which one nags at you. 😂
nice video and observation. I've tried looking directly at the camera and that didn't help. Might be time to get prescription sunglasses. Have you tested blocking the camera?
If you just turn on FSD Beta with no destination, it will keep to the lane you started it in. Then the lane changing behavior to "follow route" does not happen. I really, really, really hate the unnecessary lane changes to "follow route". Exactly what function is your SEXY button set to trigger?
Interesting test. I just completed a road trip with FSD 12.3. Nagging seemed to be much worse on two lane roads far from civilization with less clear lines. Maybe the nagging rate is lower when the autopilot is confident with road view, nagging rate higher when less confident or considers the road more dangerous due to oncoming traffic in the adjacent lane.
Are you doing the basic Auto Pilot or FSD??? You mentioned FSD in your conversation. I only have basic Auto Pilot. I assume you are doing basic auto pilot in this test. I can't afford the extra money to purchase FSD either outright one payment or monthly subscription. plus my daily driving needs don't justify having FSD. I will my try auto pilot but not till next summer. I just got a Tesla a few months back. Thanks for the video.
As of right now. It seems to work. I just put a piece of paper. I'm writing this as my Tesla drives itself. Yester day fsd got me with strike one and got the warning when I get in the car. It got really sensitive after an update. So far covering the camera works for the pay attention warning
I noticed the nag is so much reduced with sunglasses. However, I don’t know why. I am hoping the camera can see fine through the glasses actually, and the nag is removed. I’d rather keep looking at the road then have to touch the steering wheel, where the warning and flashing and time it asks for torque can be at a time you should be concentrating on making sure a maneuver is going well. I’ve driven a supercruise car before and although it’s definitely nowhere near as advanced as FSD and won’t change lanes, it will allow you to drive without touching the wheel at all as long as you’re eyes are in the road. There is something very comfortable about that. If the cabin cam can provide the proper monitoring which it normally could, I can see the nag going away one day but NHTSA won’t allow it if there is not perfect monitoring. I don’t think anyone wants to sacrifice wearing sunglasses to use FSD without the nag, so I am hoping that they can get the camera algorithm right and know if your eyes are open, closed etc…. I’m pretty sure this is already doable based on the new non FSD feature about drowsiness coming out. All in all IMO the system is so advanced and although you do want to take over with some maneuvers, there is no need to have your hands on the wheel constantly. I wouldn’t have said that a year ago but after 25K it’s just close to perfect and the things that aren’t are more decisions which you know about ahead of time… not strange emergencies where you better take the wheel or get injured. I’m not saying it can’t happen but for years people have driven ICE cars with no protection..l they can have hands in wheel or not. Pay attention or not. Now there is all this tech to make things exponentially safer… so we should move forward and embrace them with new rules. Years ago, elevators had “elevator operators” to steer and land the elevator correctly. Then came automatic elevators which we use all the time and don’t even think about. We need to move forward here too. Sorry for the long message but with blue cruise and supercruise already fully hands free we should just be there with Tesla already.
Dude u r the man ! But how can it really pin point the eyes? Wouldn’t that be too specific. HOWEVER BTW FYI -- I have tried using the sunglasses and it seems to be making a difference at this point. (Still confused about all of this).
I didn't know this "nag" even exist in the hitech Tesla world 😲In my legacy VW ICE car I have a capacitive steering wheel rim, sensing touch, so holding it anywhere is enough to prove I'm alive and paying attention.
I have a hard time believing this since it does not make sense how the system is supposed to work. Not saying you are wrong I do believe your numbers. Have you done the same test with taping the camera? I have doubts it’s comes into play at all. I will test it as well.
I don’t have fsd. In my completely subjective testing, I get the same nags with or without my cabin camera covered. So I leave it always covered and just deal with nags. The over nagging is why my GF choose to buy a 2023 Hyundai over a Tesla which rarely nags. Tesla needs to reconsider this
Great test. My experience recently with FSD going north for 1000 miles. I got 4 FSD timeouts out of 5 with sunglasses on. Coming south for 1000 miles with no sunglasses (I couldn’t afford to get the 5th strike) no timeouts. I’ve heard that Tesla is weighting the camera more to try to reduce nags. Either way, on a long haul, sunglasses didn’t work well for me.
If the technology is capable, which it is, we should stop nagging drivers to pay attention and let natural selection do it's thing. The people that know when it is safe to use autopilot will survive.
You said "Autopilot nag" in the title, but then you were driving with FSD. My guess is that Autopilot and FSD nag differently given that FSD is much more capable. Regardless, your video title should correctly identify its content.
I found that if you roll the autopilot scroll wheel up or down 1 mph every so often the car is convinced youre paying attention so nags are less frequent. Also if you get a nag then scrolling the wheel is less annoying than shaking the steering wheel.
I do this as well.
I just ordered the line chip that goes on the steering wheel roller buttons that does just that-$ 50 on Aliexpress.
This does not work in Australia models only US
I do this as well that’s the best way
@@Patriot3got a link?
I noticed this, let's call it an 'anomaly', on my drive back from Des Moines a couple months ago. I was getting steering wheel nags regularly every 15-30 seconds, up to 1.5 minutes with sunglasses.
The ‘nag’ makes autopilot borderline useless. If I take my eyes to send a text or look at my phone it immediately gets mad and complains and turns it off. So I basically have to turn it off…use my phone…then turn it on. Useless
Turning it off to use your phone for a brief moment is more dangerous than just letting AP take over while you use your phone for a brief second. Good job, Tesla.
I wouldn't go that far. However, I do think the nag is overly aggressive.
The new nags are a stupid hack by Tesla as a quick fix to the problems with their vision only systems. It has quite a few bugs that they are not spending time to fix but just add a quick piece of code to nag the driver and make autopilot useless.
@@harunrachman3143Blame NHTSA, not Tesla FFS.
@@FutureSystem738 I would blame both.
Put black tape on cabin camera.
As long as u don't have FSD it completely fixes the new nags that have been introduced
Great video - but it might also be relevant what your setting is for your driving mode - just curious to know what mode you were using? I have found differences when being in Chill mode versus Standard versus Sport ... try the same set of tests you did, but with the different driving modes and see if there are any further differences!
Just pull the visor over and block the camera. Then add a weight to the wheel, and it all works fine. I drive 110 miles a day that way.
What?!?!? How do you pull a visor over the camera and are you in a newer model?
@@TheGrahamisaacson
I'm in 19 lrm3, and if you slide the visor to the side and pull it to you, it blocks the camera. Then, a steering wheel weight, and you are somewhat golden.
@@Patriot3yes because your vehicle is ancient. Try that in a new model
@@user-dt8hh9ni4r I just did it in my wife's almost-new model Y. I'm glad to hear my old dinosaur is still as good or better than the ugly black-trimmed models. Hands free is nice on the highway.
@@TheGrahamisaacsonYou can just use a camera cover that slides. EZ Peezy.
Just returned from my first trip using FSD Beta. 3900 miles roundtrip, FL to ND and back. I noticed the same sunglasses behavior with similar times between nags (I’m a nerd and timed them like you did). Nags are extremely annoying, combined with other irregularities like never once using a turn signal to merge, jumping into turn lanes unnecessarily (dived highways in Iowa, like you are on), hanging out in the left lane for no reason, alternately not moving left to pass slower traffic, etc., leads me to not renewing the subscription. I spent the last day of the trip using only Autosteer Beta (Enhanced Autopilot, that comes with FSD subscription) and found it a much more enjoyable drive as it has far better nag behavior (you can actually use the touchscreen). FSD is magical when it behaves, but often it’s just being a bad neighbor getting in everyone else’s way. One day it’ll be great, but for now it doesn’t enhance my life enough to be worth $199/ month.
Exactly! I’d pay $50 a month to not have to use FSD! Autopilot for the win!
Until fsd learns to drive like a Houston inpt a hole this slow driving big space leaving thing is going to get me shot 😂😂😂
Excellent point about the car nagging you when you adjust climate control or other things at the touch screen. It shows that having everything controlled through the touch screen instead of physical buttons means you *have* to look at the screen, away from the road. With physical buttons, muscle memory allows you to reach for a control without having to look, or at least a short glance. Definitely less than going through a menu on the screen.
I have always worn prescription sunglasses. Nags were not that bad until the Holiday update, then they became frequent and annoying. I changed sunglasses to a darker shade and it got better, but it is still worse than before the Holiday update. I considered S3xy buttons, but thought I would give it an update or two before trying active intervention. I use Teslogic which provides an additional screen directy in front of me, which makes spotting the nag message easier. I will start checking the CAN bus logs to see if there is any precursor indications prior to the actual nag message. I’m sure it won’t take much sleuthing to determine the duty cycle, and maybe some precursor indicators will turn up. Personally, I think the algorithm needs to be tuned. 1. Head up, eyes forward. 2. Hand or hands on wheel (camera determined should be fine as well as torque). Nag only if head or eyes drop more than x seconds (x depends on speed and surrounding traffic density). Higher speeds and heavier traffic generate a more frequent nags. Lower speeds and low density traffic produce less frequent nags. A quick glance to mirrors, or over the shoulder left or right for indicated lane changes does not produce nags or change the x second nag duty cycle.
I noticed this with my 2023 FSD MY LR a while ago. Thanks for the test.
great video and sunglass hack. I've also noticed that the amount of weight needed to tell the car you are there has increased. Not sure how to measure but its much more that what its felt like over the past 2 years. I'm running FSD Beta FWIW. I may need to pick up a few of the sexy buttons. Keep up the great fun content!
Do you know how much weight is now needed? I guess I will have to weigh my forearm to find out. Try this… hold the steering wheel with one hand and then with both hands. See which one nags at you. 😂
@@harunrachman3143 😆
I suppose if you covered that camera, FSD would not work.
When I wear sunglasses it helps a lot. A hat will work too
nice video and observation. I've tried looking directly at the camera and that didn't help. Might be time to get prescription sunglasses. Have you tested blocking the camera?
With FSD, if you block the camera, it will knock you out. It's required to see something.
I have blocked the camera with a sticker, it does the trick. I don't have FSD thou.
If you just turn on FSD Beta with no destination, it will keep to the lane you started it in. Then the lane changing behavior to "follow route" does not happen. I really, really, really hate the unnecessary lane changes to "follow route".
Exactly what function is your SEXY button set to trigger?
I wished this worked in our Tesla. I always wear sunglasses and I get a nag every 15 seconds. Ugh. Ok.
That's way too often...
some sunglasses work better than others, polarized/mirrored shades work the best from my limited experience
Same. Hence why I don’t use it. Way more distracting to tap the nags away than to drive yourself
Does this still work?
Interesting test. I just completed a road trip with FSD 12.3. Nagging seemed to be much worse on two lane roads far from civilization with less clear lines. Maybe the nagging rate is lower when the autopilot is confident with road view, nagging rate higher when less confident or considers the road more dangerous due to oncoming traffic in the adjacent lane.
Now I get multiple nags in a minute if I am not looking dead straight with the latest update.
great test Thanks from Canberra Australia
Are you doing the basic Auto Pilot or FSD??? You mentioned FSD in your conversation.
I only have basic Auto Pilot. I assume you are doing basic auto pilot in this test.
I can't afford the extra money to purchase FSD either outright one payment or monthly subscription. plus my daily driving needs don't justify having FSD.
I will my try auto pilot but not till next summer. I just got a Tesla a few months back.
Thanks for the video.
so I'm just wondering.. what happens if you tint the camera itself...
That's a great question. Might need to try that.
@@iowatesla please do that and maybe make a new video about it 😅
As of right now. It seems to work. I just put a piece of paper. I'm writing this as my Tesla drives itself. Yester day fsd got me with strike one and got the warning when I get in the car. It got really sensitive after an update. So far covering the camera works for the pay attention warning
is this valid for model X?
A hat seems to work. Hide your eyes behind the brim. No nag.
I noticed the nag is so much reduced with sunglasses. However, I don’t know why. I am hoping the camera can see fine through the glasses actually, and the nag is removed. I’d rather keep looking at the road then have to touch the steering wheel, where the warning and flashing and time it asks for torque can be at a time you should be concentrating on making sure a maneuver is going well.
I’ve driven a supercruise car before and although it’s definitely nowhere near as advanced as FSD and won’t change lanes, it will allow you to drive without touching the wheel at all as long as you’re eyes are in the road. There is something very comfortable about that. If the cabin cam can provide the proper monitoring which it normally could, I can see the nag going away one day but NHTSA won’t allow it if there is not perfect monitoring. I don’t think anyone wants to sacrifice wearing sunglasses to use FSD without the nag, so I am hoping that they can get the camera algorithm right and know if your eyes are open, closed etc…. I’m pretty sure this is already doable based on the new non FSD feature about drowsiness coming out. All in all IMO the system is so advanced and although you do want to take over with some maneuvers, there is no need to have your hands on the wheel constantly. I wouldn’t have said that a year ago but after 25K it’s just close to perfect and the things that aren’t are more decisions which you know about ahead of time… not strange emergencies where you better take the wheel or get injured. I’m not saying it can’t happen but for years people have driven ICE cars with no protection..l they can have hands in wheel or not. Pay attention or not. Now there is all this tech to make things exponentially safer… so we should move forward and embrace them with new rules. Years ago, elevators had “elevator operators” to steer and land the elevator correctly. Then came automatic elevators which we use all the time and don’t even think about. We need to move forward here too. Sorry for the long message but with blue cruise and supercruise already fully hands free we should just be there with Tesla already.
Dude u r the man ! But how can it really pin point the eyes? Wouldn’t that be too specific. HOWEVER BTW FYI -- I have tried using the sunglasses and it seems to be making a difference at this point. (Still confused about all of this).
I didn't know this "nag" even exist in the hitech Tesla world 😲In my legacy VW ICE car I have a capacitive steering wheel rim, sensing touch, so holding it anywhere is enough to prove I'm alive and paying attention.
I would have thought sunglasses would increase the nag because it is hiding your eye position. Great video, thanks
Me too. The data shows the opposite. Thanks for watching!
Enjoyed the Hwy 13 drive.
Extra credit for you! Not exactly an exciting stretch of road.
Wow, huge difference. I might have to get some new shades.
100% - That's what I have.
Pushing the accelerator while FSD is engaged will trigger a nag, or at least make the nag happen much quicker.
12:30
Thank you!!
I have a hard time believing this since it does not make sense how the system is supposed to work. Not saying you are wrong I do believe your numbers. Have you done the same test with taping the camera? I have doubts it’s comes into play at all. I will test it as well.
Can’t use fsd with taped camera
I don’t have fsd. In my completely subjective testing, I get the same nags with or without my cabin camera covered. So I leave it always covered and just deal with nags. The over nagging is why my GF choose to buy a 2023 Hyundai over a Tesla which rarely nags. Tesla needs to reconsider this
FSD is different. Perhaps with the nag too.@@dougfox5312
At least until the next update…
We will see...
This is the reason why I don’t purchase the FSD because of this Nag, I wonder why Elon do not care?
Great test. My experience recently with FSD going north for 1000 miles. I got 4 FSD timeouts out of 5 with sunglasses on. Coming south for 1000 miles with no sunglasses (I couldn’t afford to get the 5th strike) no timeouts. I’ve heard that Tesla is weighting the camera more to try to reduce nags. Either way, on a long haul, sunglasses didn’t work well for me.
Try sunglasses with picture of eyes on them as trick
That would be interesting. Might make it difficult to see the road.
No it will self drive 😊
Damn. I didn’t know Sam Harris has a Tesla.
LOL, need to get some sunglasses with fake eyes wide open printed on them....see what that does...or maybe fake eyeballs on springs glasses...
How do you have your full screen as the car and driving?
Grab the divider bar and drag it over to the right side of the screen. This might be an FSD only thing. Thanks for watching!
my sombrero is nag proof too
The FSD nags are so bad I’d pay to make FSD go away. Autopilot is MUCH better.
If the technology is capable, which it is, we should stop nagging drivers to pay attention and let natural selection do it's thing. The people that know when it is safe to use autopilot will survive.
You said "Autopilot nag" in the title, but then you were driving with FSD. My guess is that Autopilot and FSD nag differently given that FSD is much more capable. Regardless, your video title should correctly identify its content.
tesla auto pilot good🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉