I Lost Self Driving in my Tesla for Doing This
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Kim- a safety suggestion for you. Remove the plastic/carbon stick-on “T” logo from the steering wheel airbag. If you get into a crash, it will come flying off at about 500 mph and poke into the driver’s face like a Chinese throwing star. Ask me how I know….😅
ug why did you have to ruin a completely perfect surprise.
I mean I think some Chevy car have symbols in the same location
And if you're on Tesla insurance you can see your rates go up in real time!.. What a Dystopia.
Wow, that is awesome.
The seatbelt and the phone gave me mad anxiety being in Australian where you will legitimately lose your license if you’re caught, touching your phone twice, same with seatbelt
Agreed 100%, FSD in its current state should be 3-5k or maybe $100/month
Yes, that would be a more down to Earth pricing. Will Tesla ever drop the prices sometime after betas are completed? Only time shall Tell if they keep FSD as a very expensive luxury item. Or unless you want to be in debt for the rest of your life with this feature. Myself, I don't see a practical reason for having FSD, and not at that pricing.
@@dathyr1 I bet so, they dont want everyone using a Beta once its improved years from now why wouldn't they price so everyone is tempted to use
Its probably going to be a standard feature in the future when everyone else has FSD
Yes, it's sort of strange that they have priced it so high for general use. I really hope they come up with the solution of cheap (maybe even free) for personal use and then higher priced licence for RoboTaxi. It's not like a huge portion of private owners are going to be putting their personal car into the RoboTaxi pool, but it is probable that a large number of those same people would send their car away to find a parking spot, etc.
I disagree. But I also don't want a computer doing the driving. Self driving is for lazy people and people that don't appreciate the thrill of driving.
Nope, it’s not hard to get put into FSD jail. The real issue is how do you get back in, no? My MY doesn’t like when I put my hands on the bottom of the steering wheel. I also noticed that the blue flash on the screen can be difficult to see in some sunlight situations…that is how I got a couple of strikes. These WERE NOT WARNINGS!!
One issue i noticed with FSD that is scary is when it is entering on a highway with oncoming traffic, or if its in the first lane and someone is entring the highway. It doesnt quite have my confidance to avoid possibly causing an accident.
Have been together with my wife almost 20 years also 🎉. Seeing both of your interactions, I can feel the similarities in our relationship 😂. Wishing you two many happy years to come.
Hi Kim
We just returned from a 3199 mile road trip in our Tesla MY DM LR 2023. We drove about 80% on fsd beta. It made a couple of mistakes, but I was ready to take over. We drove from south Florida to Pensacola up thru Mississippi to St Louis. On the return trip we drove thru Atlanta on the way back to South Florida. We drove thru Atlanta on fsd with no intervention. We were impressed. As you know Atlanta traffic is bad 24/7. For part of the trip in Mississippi we took an alternative route off the interstate for an hour and a half on a 2 lane highway through the country. Lots of turns intersections and stop signs and traffic lights. One intervention. I doubted the car. It knew what it was doing, I doubted it.
Very impressed with fsd. Worth every penny (12,000)
I'm sold.
Thanks for the great video
Bob
until something DOES go wrong
One of the only to sacrifice their fsd for a youtube video. Thanks alot. One thing I found interesting is that when it came up with the red hands, it didn't make the quick loud alarm as to "wake" the person up or something. Maybe it's different/changed for FSD vs regular autopilot.
Another way to get a strike, I had a case where the sun was in my eyes and after 3 warnings pay attention to road, it gave me a strike. And I was holding head angled down, to use eye brows to block sun. That generated 3 Pay attention to road. The 3 warning was autopilot jail and a strike. That started with 11.3.6
you loving that nanny state car? whats even the point if you are micromanaged like an employee
Imagine paying thousands for something that doesn't work and blames you for its own failings.
Thanks, Kim, for this personal sacrifice. My 2017 model S does not have a cabin camera, so I'm only allowed 3 strikes. I also get strikes that should be identified as a "software error" but can still be counted as a strike. The only one week jail sentence is a blessing for me. It is much less painful, and more fair than previous rules.
@Kim Java You can get a strike by cellphone use, wait for the blue flash then grab the steering wheel to stop the blue flash, but start using the cellphone right away again it will strike you out immediately for multiple uses in short periods of time.
I also got a strike for adjusting A/C controls multiple times in a row, that was last year though.
Kim, thank you, you answered all my questions about FSD Jail. I recently got two strikes with my Tesla and didn’t know what would happen after the third strike..
I have been using autopilot and it has some quirks . It seems to alway go off the painted traffic lines. But of course when there is construction there
may be old lines and new lines painted, this seems to confuse it. The center lane driving feels really creepy next to big vehicles and in construction zones when lanes may narrow. I have had it complain about lanes changes on an on ramp when I run out of on ramp and merge.
Really appreciate your sacrifice for the demerits for all your fans. You guys ROCK! Thanks for the education and confirming what we suspect. BTW, I also got dinged by using nag defeat, not sure if it is still the case.
sacrifice? bro they make bank doing this stuff
Very informative and interesting on what you can & cannot do to self driving regulations. Thanks from Canada 🇨🇦
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've been knocked off way too many times. The worst one. Driving at night on 55mph 2 lane. The car had been giving me stupid warnings about cameras and the car was clean and weather clear. It decided to do a reboot. The screen went black while the car was in motion. I let it slow to a stop. When the screen came up, it had me in Jail. Considering the number of times FSD fails and I take over, the car should be in jail. Fails on uturns on divided highways, fails at lane changes on the freeway., fails to get out of a barrel lane when it's closed, makes random turns against the navigation, exits the lane it needs to turn from, moves out of the right lane excessively. My last week suspended was while in Tesla Service. My wife thinks this car has a software problem independent of the FSD version.
"My wife thinks this car has a software problem..." That seems very very likely. Have you tried taking it in on a service call to troubleshoot *that*?
I've been in FSD beta for nearly two years and you have to really try pretty hard to get five strikes. In my experience, it takes some pretty reckless driving. As far as the driver taking the seat belt off, I'm surprised that's only a warning and not a strike. Driving down the road removing your belt and messing with a coat or whatever is a very dangerous distraction. Also, I've never seen a warning due to eyes not looking forward; always seems to limit to hands-on-wheel.
The belt being undone is probably a strike if it continues for a set period of time. What if someone has clipped their jacket into the seat belt for instance, they need to be able to release that without a strike.
what the hell is the point of auto pilot if you cant do things like that? Worthless crap..and to pay money for it?
Thanks for taking one (well, 5) for the team
I can attest to the eye tracking. I bypass it now by wearing sunglasses. They can’t track my eyes that way and I get less blue warnings.
It’s almost as if you don’t actually own the car. Eff that.
The car owns you
Super interesting, thanks for doing this!
Great tests! Thanks for striking out for the community!
What is the point of auto pilot if you still have to pay attention like you were driving it like a regular car?
BETA
Cool. I'd also be interested to know if the car loses 'new' strikes if you reboot it right after the strike. This used to flush out the memory before it was stored, for safety score at least. Not sure if Tesla fixed that.
Damn, I should have tried that and tested that when I got my first any only strike that won’t go away!
G'Day Kim+PJ and WOW coz this FSD video exercise was brilliant. Great info that we would love to be a part of. BETA Coming to Australia any year now! imho
Older Teslas without cameras inside only give you three strikes. I have had two what seemed to be random spontaneous strikes for a couple of months and I wish they would reset those. I hate to be unexpectedly cut off if I get a third strike. I have had FSD for almost a year so doesn’t seem those two strikes should go on forever.
I dont know if you have Tesla Insurance but if you do then you can see that your monthly payment is growing in real time every warning :D
Semi-autonomous system. By the way, I have difficulty communicating because I had a stroke in Broca’s area, the part of the brain that controls speech. 2/8/2021 but I lived again. (My wife helped me compose this.)
Thank you for your video.
Question did you got it back right after one week or it was more than one week and what happened after did you need to go through the whole driving score or it was automatically got activated
Thank you for this test, the community appreciates it. I was really curious to see if the strike out info is available immediately
I'm a Tesla investor, but Elon and Co. are kind of out of their minds charging $15k for FSD. It's not even transferrable. $3-5k should be the price. Do a discounted full install to FSD owners at time of update if FSD does, indeed, improve by orders of magnitude in the future.
Thank you, Kim! Our curiosity has been charged once again.
Hello Kim and Pedram! It's always a great Saturday morning when you release a new video.
Yay! Thank you!
@@ItsKimJava You are very welcome Kim. I too love Persian men!
If you get the subscription and you have a strike or multiple and you cancel your FSD beta when you start it up again your strikes are still there.
I paid $5k for EAP back in 2018 when I bought my Model 3 and then a few months later paid $2k for FSD. I wouldn't pay more than $2k for FSD again, so if I ever get another Tesla guess I won't be buying FSD because $15k is insanely overpriced, even $5k is too much!
I just picked one up, but how long does it take for full self driving to unlock? It’s been about 10 days.
And I only have access to enhanced auto pilot, but I paid for a full self.
So after the week waiting period. Does it start you back up with 5 more chances?
8:20 The first thing I learned was disengaging BEFORE manually passing to avoid having to stop to reenable FSD. Nonetheless, I’ve been cancelled 3 times, having to wait 2-3 weeks before getting it back. FSD is remarkably deficient in matching speeds to traffic both ahead (senselessly rushing up to slowed/stopped traffic) & behind (not accelerating when entering highways, etc.), in order to maximize vehicle separation & minimize closing speeds, both safety & comfort essentials. You also need to accept its two forward/one back approach, so expect “solutions” to be somewhat temporary before being instituted. Are you using AP, as voiced, or Enhanced AP, or FSD? I got FSD for $8k just before the price hikes on both my son’s M3P & my MYLR & have never looked back, including trips from SoCal to Austin/Starbase, in each. Would I do it now for $15k? For sure, just for the added safety & privilege to help train it (occasionally very annoying) & see it evolve, if for no other reason than to more accurately gauge when it will start meaningfully impacting my “all in” TSLA investment (btw, which increases paid for both Teslas, plus the 50% IRA to Roth conversion fee & taxes). Btw, in response to one of the comments: FSD doesn’t visualize by satellite & certainly not turn signals. It uses cameras to “compose” virtual car, etc, images from continually updated “sightings” of surrounding traffic & objects.
Fun video and thanks for taking one for the team. Also, how can I see PJ do his thing on TV?
He was on tv for about 20 years but left to join me on YT as of December. ☺️
Thank you for this, I was afraid to use FSD.
Nice video. What vertical glass smartphone support mount are you using? I can’t find one anywhere and I would like to record some videos. Thanks 🙏
Thanks for all this testing for "when do you get strikes vs warnings".
My question is do all these warnings/strike information get logged and sent back to home base somewhere??? Maybe to determine you are a really bad driver if all this continues to happen.
Also, what does FSD do for warnings or strikes if you get a "Phantom Braking" issue and is not your fault????
It is nice that the system is more forgiving. I do not own a Tesla at this time.
Thanks again for this video.
So if first time you get locked out for a week what happens if you continue to do this? Can you get a longer lockout or another week lockout?
12:04 nothing like playing in traffic putting others at risk in a construction zone 😬
I almost got rear ended because I was paying attention to the road and I didn’t notice the blue flash and the car slammed on the brakes 😢 be careful out there hope Tesla pays for any accidents they caused by not safety stopping
Ain't no way in hell I'm owning a car that tells me what I can and cannot do and punishes me for not doing so.. at this point people are just like make me a slave I don't care 🤦🤦
First of alll press of the pedal when the ghost braking activates. Someone is going to hit you if you dont.
I want FSD to add speed options: let us input a “cruising speed” - i.e. +5% over the speed limit, and a “passing speed” - i.e. +10% over the speed limit to pass another vehicle. FSD already allows us to offset speed limit % for normal driving, so why not allow different percentages in different situations? If I’m doing 70mph and a car in front of me is doing 69mph, it’s a lot smoother passing them at 78mph and briefly being in the passing lane vs. passing them at 1mph and clogging the passing lane for much longer.
Do you really think Tesla will give anyone the ability to programme FSD to break the law?
Thanks for this great test and video. I’m surprised no one else put this on YT. Neither of the two Teslas I purchased have FSD because it is too expensive for what it does. I’d pay $3-4K max.
I’m very disappointed with model S autopilot not performing lane changes using directional signal. Please don’t ask me to pay $6K more. My EQS 580 performs that perfectly and it was included in base price. We also have a 2020 MB E450 convertible that performs very smooth autopilot lane changes.
"I’m very disappointed with model S autopilot not performing lane changes using directional signal." Haven't had that happen once in four years with my M3. A vehicle-specifc issue like that would warrant scheduling a service appointment with Tesla to remedy that?
it is insane that you can pay $15,000 then have your purchase stolen from you for "behaving badly".
how can it be legally called "Full Self Driving" if it can be disabled for not paying attention to it? at best they're driver assist features.
They should be paying us to beta test FSD for them.
Kim does autopilot come free with a new Tesla or is there a charge?
Do driver takeovers count as strikes? Thanks!
I miss the days when cars were simple and people just simply drove them smdh😔
It seems to have become more robust. One FSD youtuber got a strike for looking at traffic to the right which it interpreted as not looking at the road. As long as its judgment isn't better it shouldn't be opinionated. I think the nags could be largely removed as long as you seem fairly alert. The double fascism seems unnecessary. If it's unsure say you are wearing a cap or sunglasses it can have occasional confirmation checks and it doesn't have to be every 10 seconds as people are not narcoleptic. As for the price of FSD, it will eventually have to come down. Even flawless the price isn't reasonable. The premise that everyone will operate a taxi service and make 20k per year is not a valid one. That simply wont happen. People are not going to go to the effort of creating a business out of it and it would actually void their personal use since in LA the car could be on a 2 hour drive and 2 hours away so the premise is swiss cheese. Just maybe they could have a taxi task mode that you pay more for in case you want to operate it as a business but even that doesn't really work because a luxury Tesla is not competitive with inexpensive dedicated taxipods that might retail for 15k.
As a novelty they might do 5k or 59$ per month but even that is too expensive long term. At some point other brands will have it and notions of 30k just wont fly. Once it actually works then development costs would presumably also largely vanish. I think Elon feels that because AI is all important then the price should also be all important but not everyone is a billionaire.
I think the custom chips cost them 100$ a piece so a board is maybe 500$ and once you have the software, where is the 30k cost. As I recall the base car has 1500$ added in so you've already more than paid for the hardware before you pay for any FSD. I can't say for certain but I strongly suspect that at some point it's just easy to make cars fully self driving and the price will go below 2k. Maybe a bit of upkeep to adapt to changes.
Great video! I’m 2 strikes in. 1 week is do able.
Very brave having a kid(s) and choosing the white interior 😮
It's crazy you pay for self driving but you are disciplined for not driving in your own property.
How long do strikes last ? Forget clear up after time?
If you get a warning to pay attention 3 to 5 times, it will give you a strike and end FSD.
I was already in the Enhanced Autopilot is fine but probably not Full Self-Driving camp because part of the fun of driving is to actually drive.
FSD is going to make people be lazy slugs who have no skill when situations develope. Just like GPS has helped make people deficient in map reading & navigation/trip planning skills.
Now that I see the in-cabin, Big Brother camera is mandatory, forget that noise. Enhanced Autopilot can assist me but the FSD isn't wortb coat in either $ or invasion of privacy (just like Tesla Insurance keeping track of every drive).
Thanks Kim & Fam!
Did you get any phantom brake? I got that in Los Angeles in my model 3 rental. Very scary!
people driving around you are like, these are the two worst human beings ever 😄
I'm sure there are articles in regards to the FSD beta strikes. One's personal FSD beta feature isn't worth the sacrifice for getting strike outs.
8:42 - 9:21
I’d think such a smart car wouldn’t have let u drive around with ur blinker on so ling 😂
I have one strike from LIKE A LITTLE SECOND. It was the first time and I let go because I thought it was taking a left turn by itself but then got a red light so weird 🙄.
Regarding Tesla insurance, is it true that "points" are deducted, or the rate increases, if you take the car into certain areas at the wrong time of day/night? A reddit forum seemed to indicate they have to take their gas car to concerts at night or the Tesla insurance would be affected. True?
Just night driving in general can lower your score.
@@jasonfournier Wow, thanks for clarifying!
@@jasonfournier Really? Is that documented somewhere... i.e. by Tesla? Or is it just Internet babble? "I heard that someone heard that someone else heard that..." yadda yadda yadda.
Just do whatever the car tells you to do and follow its rules and regulations and never text and talk on your phone while driving
A single offense will not count as a strike, but If you perform the same offense multiple times during that drive, it will cause a strike. i.e. removing your seat belt multiple times during a drive.
mine comes on but no longer alarms for Lane departure or displays blue borders lines 😢
I wouldn't get too excited about some of what you're encountering. For instance my 2018 base model Accord warns me to put my hands on the wheel and will also warn me I'm drowsy with a coffee icon and warning. I don't think being on your phone is illegal everywhere. I guess it could reference your location and whether it is illegal there.
In the 'Sin Bin' for a whole week! A small penalty in reality.
However, some will struggle with that, particularly if they love using FSD.
This video was so funny I've seen one quite like it!😂😂😂
Once you said, “If you’re lucky enough to have access to the Beta program………..” I was done at that point.
my question is what period of time does the 5 strikes occur? is it 5 strikes ever or per what.After the one week do you get a reset to 5 more strikes or does every strike thereafter cause a loss of FSD.
Sign of what’s coming, not good
How hard is it to get it back?
You need to do this again with the newest update/recall.
FSD should be linked to the account (profile), not the car. This would solve all problems. You could even rent a car and have all your preferences with you in the profile.
Does summon your car from LA to New York mean the car would drive itself from LA to NY?
How would it charge itself along the way?
That's a Spanking @9:47 LOL
How long does it reset to 5 more strikes ?
Is the picking up/using your phone warning only because it might be tethered via bluetooth?
I was holding the wheel with 1 hand, moving the wheel and it still gave me a strike. But if I move the wheel more than what I was it would disengage the autopilot. Can’t win.
I recently got my one week suspension after 6 strikes. my question is: when the suspension is over do I get 6 new strikes, one strike or some other number when the suspension is over?
Let me answer my question. When Suspension is cleared which toolk a little less than 7 days in my case, I got 5 new strikes allowed.
When it stops you can keep pressing the accelerator and it will steer as long as you don't take control
I bought FSD in 2018 was activated in early 2022… one lesson i learned never pay for promised tech… it is fun to see the progress tho….didn’t buy it again on my next car;) also the other thing is the resell value of fsd is really bad… the market doesnt reflect Elon’s promise of higher value. All that said i loooove Tesla;)
Do you know if it’s the same penalty for autosteer?
What if the automotive technician who services your Tesla locks you out of full self driving? I hope there is a way to reset that with a scan tool.
I wonder if all this info about strikes etc is sent to the insurance companies to determine rates. Similar to the devices they have to determine driving habits of drivers. I would like to know if they charge higher rates for fsd usage, since the driver is not in full control of the vehicle?
AP is great. FSD is amazing on hwy, sucks on two lane roads and is unusable on side roads. Current version is worth $50 a month max…. I’m killing my subscription on the 22nd have done at least 5,000 miles with FSD since may 23.
How many warnings can you trigger at the same time, and what happens when you do?
Great job! Guys. One of your best TH-cam videos. Thank you very much for this content.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another reason I won’t buy an electric car. They have more control. Every vehicle I buy I keep buying older an older. My next one will be a 90s model.
Looking ok for city and highway use put it were i like to drive- ride you have to look backwards almost to see traffic and you watch the road from either side of the car but they should raise the standards of some rules but letting you go and look out all windows so you can go through the back woods areas
if you get too many pay attention to the road warnings on one drive it gives you a strike too. around 5-10
It’s not about Elon!
I’m the car coming at you and that’s my in my Plaid Model S and you better hope I am supervising by the rules so we don’t wreck!
Get it together girl!
Safety is a life or death matter!
I'd love to buy a Tesla, but I cannot trust the lithium battery pack. I hope we find a better power source.