Man, thanks again for another video and congrats on the clear. Your tips and advice are very much appreciated. I just made it possible to beat Final Showdown (1st Lucilius) with my AI party. Only 1 Terminus Weapon fully upgraded so far. Gotta keep farming those materials. Will get there! Thanks a bunch and keep up the amazing videos!
Honestly really great clear overall!! I'm super jealous of your uptime on jumping over unsafe areas to keep your combo going. Takes a lot of skill to get the timing right on those!!! Hope you don't take this the wrong way - just wanted to share a few things that help me (not just spamming HYAH on lancelot...). Gopherwood Ark and Absolute Nothing - I like to intentionally dodge *into* the unsafe zones. For Absolute Nothing you can just watch the expanding ring in your puddle, and dodge right as the ring expands fully, primarily to proc a perfect dodge. Helps a lot when you have a lot of tricky shockwave patterns coming at you! Gopherwood you seem to have down pretty well! The new timings of the new version of this fight is hard to learn while unlearning the other timings! Lmao
Thanks! I've done a lot of normal Luci so some of the patterns are pretty familiar. But it's also sometimes a bad thing since, like you said, you have to unlearn certain timings. I still have tons to improve in this fight. Great tips for dealing with those mechanics phases.
@@grandskyace Really seems like it's just polishing off some things honestly! Which I think we're all doing at this point! I sure as hell am lmaooo Also I appreciate you taking ideas/advice gracefully! Pretty hard to come by people willing to discuss ways to improve their gameplay!!
Nice man! Yea kind of frustrated that labors are so difficult with AI, was able to to just play with AI all the way up until this fight. I got lucky that I got a group of 3 (with 1 bot) to clear yesterday. But having to use effort to find a party is a hassle sometimes.
Yea definitely. Wished they made the AI a bit smarter in Labors. Failing Labors is even worse now since it kills your party as well, forcing you to waste a precious revive pot or critical gauge...
Stun is super important for lucy zero, shutting down entire plases by stun, link and skipping over them. Hence why it says enter link time 20 times. Stun and survivability (guts,auto revive, invincibility) is more important than raw DPS. Talking about doing it with players not AI.
It can also gets easier if someone like Yodarha or Seofon enters the battle. Yodarha can give your allies mirage buff to avoid one shot attacks, while Seofon can give full SBA to all allies. If Seofon was able to pull it, the fight became way shorter. Gandhagoza was also a good alternative, as he has a decent amount of stun and ridiculous amount of dmg during link time phase. Three of these characters have a really important role, all they needed is to know what they're doing.
@@vegalucas7782 There are plenty of chars that buff and debuff the boss that helps, like seigfried can put debuff immunity on the team so that you dont get hit by the SBA sealed for nuke phases and then dont have to use potent greens. I think the new quests were designed around team comps using team buffs.
@@Stinkyremy the buff weren't really the issue In this fight, cuz he buff himself occasionally. And the SBA sealed itself isnt a big deal if you use Rolans potent green. Im talking about the characters role that can be very helpful in this fight.
The whole fight is focus on spamming full burst to instantly refill link time to 100% and stun lucilius for the link phase to start, if you do this fast enough, you can bypass paradise lost by reaching his hp threshold quick enough
After seven trumpets ended with full Burst and link phase. Soon after, you gotta focus on dealing as much damage as possible so he doesn't spam paradise lost, dodge perfectly using nimble assault and fill your SBA as fast as possible. If your party had enough SBA, use it immediately, don't use it to cancel another paradise lost cuz he can mitigate all the damages.
Great showcase! Still trying to clear him with randoms online, but to no avail yet 😅 timer always runs out first (if we are lucky enough to survive 10 minutes xD)
I have question for Charlotta's spinning attacks. I've been assuming that we only need to add the dodge part in the combo if the target is small like the Training Dummy or Gallanza for example, and I've never dodged before the spin when fighting big foes like Lucilius or Behemoth. Is it wrong to not dodge? Does it affects the total damage dealt / cap when we're not dodging?
Luci is not large enough for all 6 hits to always hit. I've tested this in the past a bit using a DPS parser cause I was curious about the same thing. That's why I air dodge first, so that all 6 hits can land. Air dodging is slower than straight spam though, but it should still come out ahead in DPS assuming it's not messed up often.
Are you asking how to do her Lunge (spinning air slash)? To do her Lunge, you use Noble Strategy (her leap) then press "light" attack while she is in the air.
"Oh, wait, they're doing it with bots, so maybe it's not that impossible to do it alone and I don't really need the multipla-" *Sees the at least 12 Additional Damage V+ across the bots and Charlotta, as well as some crazy 0.X% more sigils around those* "Ah, of course, should've guessed".
No point still complaining about Curio sigils in v1.3 when Behemoth was added ages ago. This was a 7 min clear, plenty of time left. Supplementary V+ doesn't make the difference between a clear and a fail. And my bots are far from optimized. They are not even using Berserker Echo, which is worth 3 Supp Dmgs by itself.
@@grandskyace EDIT: Made it into a less pedantic post in the end. Also, didn't take into account a lot of people made Behe AFKFarm so my point there kinda falls flat. Cheers.
I guess it just depends on how much someone has farmed. I've AFK farmed Behemoth a LOT so fair enough your mileage will vary. As for their importance, if you want to go into detail, if I didn't have them I would first cut cooldown reduction slots and then Luci Sigils - all of which are DPS based. The main subtraits on bots for this fight are Nimble, Improved Dodge and Auto-Revive, all of which can still fit at the cost of some DPS. This DPS loss would not have made a difference in this run passing or failing. As for Echo, my point is that I haven't had time to farm up Echo's for bots which is why they don't have it. These bots could be doing a good chunk of extra damage if I had Echoes (in addition to Supp Dmgs like you mentioned). If I really lacked space, cutting 1 Supp DMG for Echo is more than worth it. My overall point is that well geared bots can be used to beat this fight, even if they are not completely BiS. I agree with your overall point that this is an extremely difficult fight, bots or otherwise.
@@grandskyace I was editing and editing and didn't see your response, and didn't want to sound overly pedant, so sorry for erasing the last one and making this new one with a lot of edits, since I'm in the phone and it's hard as a non-native english speaker to keep consistency on what I'm writting, I'm sorry: Your response sounds kinda in the deffensive side, so I'll clear one thing: My point was that your bots have outperformed most of the players you can randomly find. Nothing more, nothing less. NOW, if you're open for debate, that statement you added about the SuppDMG V+... First things first, the "when Behemoth was added ages ago"... I've got 340+ hours in the game purely farming. Not saying that's a lot or comparing, just saying those are A LOT of hours playing and farming. In all that time, if we were to take out the 20~ hours from story, I've only managed to get a single SuppDMG V+. By the end, to present time, in the time I got everyone's Terminus, all their + Sigils, and also a set of Alfa/Beta and Gamma for me and my 3 bots, I only managed to get a single SuppDMG V+, and it was indeed from Behemoth and not curios of all things. The "no point in arguing" when I've done *at least* 200 and then some Behemoths very subjective. *EDIT:* You're right, the AFKFarming, didn't count on that - I didn't do it, so you're right there. Second, Saying a SuppDMG V+ (enphasis on the +) doesn't make the difference is arguibly wrong imo, because you yourself said "with more stun power I would have gone faster", which it pretty much implies that you need extra slots in sigils in order to prioritize some things over others, and the fact you didn't add more stun power already is either because you can't without sacrificing important things or because you don't have more slots (or maybe because you didn't think you'd need them) - I would say "you don't have them" but since you can manage to have 12 SuppDMG+ it's safe to assume that's not the issue. Point is, having what usually is just 3 SuppDMG V normals to most people, them being + so you could add important stuff (in case of your bots, Onslaughts, Autorevives, Uplifts... etc) can and *DOES* make a difference. I only have 1 +, but I barely have 6 or 7 normals in total, and they're a 20% boost on damage - add the option to pair them with Uplifts, Onslaughts, Autorevives and such and they're invaluable. Also, yes, you're talking about the Berserker Echo being by itself worth 3 AddDMG. But that's just optimizing EVEN MORE, which is going the extra mile, doesn't make the fact that what you have now is already busted. The Berserker Echo + is just the extra mile, because they stack. While you don't have B.Echo for them, the fact they have the SuppDMG+ is what made it possible for them to have stuff such as autorevive and nimble onslaught, without loosing other key ones. While I'm certain that in your case you would have completed it regardless, please don't downplay it as if having them doesn't make a difference, because I certainly thing they REALLY DO, also, they wouldn't literally be the most wanted sigil in the whole community if they weren't that great. Cheers. Sorry for all the editing and in advance if I sound pedantic or obnoxious; I'm just really fking jelly you got those.
I completely agree with your point that having Supp + is extremely valuable for all the reasons you gave. But I just want to clarify that when I said "doesn't make a difference", I meant that clearing this fight does not NEED Supp+, as you can cut DPS slots first and still have enough time.
Yep, they are different instances and stack. You should use both. Berserker Echo has higher priority though (if you lack sigil space) as it's equivalent to 3 Supp Dmgs when you reach 25k Atk (which is easy).
If you are just focusing on clearing and not on speed then FoF makes things a lot more comfortable. It does promote bad habits though if you care about that type of thing.
I've been clearing the "Might and Magic" one with bots to farm the new Sigils - both AFK and actively playing. The AFK clear rate is not great for me at the moment though due to the time limit. I haven't tried the other ones yet but I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible. Might be hard though.
yes but make sure theres a support character in your team Rosetta or Cagliostro or Gran/Djeeta and i highly don’t recommend AI Vane cause im 90% sure his ai is bugged cause there will be times where he stands still and does nothing and dies
@@kittykedama7643 Thanks. I have all terminus weapon awakened and i atually use the same team in his video, but i also used before Rosetta, Percival, siegfried as AI companion. I will keep Vane away xD
@@grandskyaceI have not had any but sup IV from him. The drop rates of Sup V± is super low, same with war element V+ Still afk farming...gonna drop at some point.. Though I guess you have botted that one as you would die with the usual afk farming strats
@@Stinkyremy Behemoth is actually not bad to AFK farm with well geared bots. I have a video I made on the first day of v1.2 showing it. It's even faster now due to all the powercreep lately. Still need to AFK farm him more cause I don't have any War Ele+ :(
Yea War Ele+ is new in this patch. I think it's even harder to get than Supp V+ since I heard that it only drops from Behemoth directly, and not even in Curios (though I'm not certain).
Man, thanks again for another video and congrats on the clear. Your tips and advice are very much appreciated. I just made it possible to beat Final Showdown (1st Lucilius) with my AI party. Only 1 Terminus Weapon fully upgraded so far. Gotta keep farming those materials. Will get there! Thanks a bunch and keep up the amazing videos!
Glad the videos helped!
Honestly really great clear overall!! I'm super jealous of your uptime on jumping over unsafe areas to keep your combo going. Takes a lot of skill to get the timing right on those!!!
Hope you don't take this the wrong way - just wanted to share a few things that help me (not just spamming HYAH on lancelot...). Gopherwood Ark and Absolute Nothing - I like to intentionally dodge *into* the unsafe zones. For Absolute Nothing you can just watch the expanding ring in your puddle, and dodge right as the ring expands fully, primarily to proc a perfect dodge. Helps a lot when you have a lot of tricky shockwave patterns coming at you! Gopherwood you seem to have down pretty well! The new timings of the new version of this fight is hard to learn while unlearning the other timings! Lmao
Thanks! I've done a lot of normal Luci so some of the patterns are pretty familiar. But it's also sometimes a bad thing since, like you said, you have to unlearn certain timings. I still have tons to improve in this fight.
Great tips for dealing with those mechanics phases.
@@grandskyace Really seems like it's just polishing off some things honestly! Which I think we're all doing at this point! I sure as hell am lmaooo
Also I appreciate you taking ideas/advice gracefully! Pretty hard to come by people willing to discuss ways to improve their gameplay!!
Nice man! Yea kind of frustrated that labors are so difficult with AI, was able to to just play with AI all the way up until this fight.
I got lucky that I got a group of 3 (with 1 bot) to clear yesterday. But having to use effort to find a party is a hassle sometimes.
Yea definitely. Wished they made the AI a bit smarter in Labors. Failing Labors is even worse now since it kills your party as well, forcing you to waste a precious revive pot or critical gauge...
Stun is super important for lucy zero, shutting down entire plases by stun, link and skipping over them.
Hence why it says enter link time 20 times. Stun and survivability (guts,auto revive, invincibility) is more important than raw DPS.
Talking about doing it with players not AI.
It can also gets easier if someone like Yodarha or Seofon enters the battle. Yodarha can give your allies mirage buff to avoid one shot attacks, while Seofon can give full SBA to all allies. If Seofon was able to pull it, the fight became way shorter. Gandhagoza was also a good alternative, as he has a decent amount of stun and ridiculous amount of dmg during link time phase. Three of these characters have a really important role, all they needed is to know what they're doing.
@@vegalucas7782 There are plenty of chars that buff and debuff the boss that helps, like seigfried can put debuff immunity on the team so that you dont get hit by the SBA sealed for nuke phases and then dont have to use potent greens.
I think the new quests were designed around team comps using team buffs.
@@Stinkyremy the buff weren't really the issue In this fight, cuz he buff himself occasionally. And the SBA sealed itself isnt a big deal if you use Rolans potent green. Im talking about the characters role that can be very helpful in this fight.
The whole fight is focus on spamming full burst to instantly refill link time to 100% and stun lucilius for the link phase to start, if you do this fast enough, you can bypass paradise lost by reaching his hp threshold quick enough
After seven trumpets ended with full Burst and link phase. Soon after, you gotta focus on dealing as much damage as possible so he doesn't spam paradise lost, dodge perfectly using nimble assault and fill your SBA as fast as possible. If your party had enough SBA, use it immediately, don't use it to cancel another paradise lost cuz he can mitigate all the damages.
Great showcase!
Still trying to clear him with randoms online, but to no avail yet 😅 timer always runs out first (if we are lucky enough to survive 10 minutes xD)
Good luck!
Random matchmaking is a total crapshoot, especially since the Critical Gauge drains much faster in this fight than normal.
I have question for Charlotta's spinning attacks.
I've been assuming that we only need to add the dodge part in the combo if the target is small like the Training Dummy or Gallanza for example, and I've never dodged before the spin when fighting big foes like Lucilius or Behemoth. Is it wrong to not dodge? Does it affects the total damage dealt / cap when we're not dodging?
Luci is not large enough for all 6 hits to always hit. I've tested this in the past a bit using a DPS parser cause I was curious about the same thing. That's why I air dodge first, so that all 6 hits can land.
Air dodging is slower than straight spam though, but it should still come out ahead in DPS assuming it's not messed up often.
Very impressive
Wow amazing !
Thank you!
How do you do that with her to leap and to do mult hits? Is it hold 🔺️ then ⬛️ + X for both the leap and mult hits?
Are you asking how to do her Lunge (spinning air slash)?
To do her Lunge, you use Noble Strategy (her leap) then press "light" attack while she is in the air.
I knew you could do it. Charlotta too good lol.
Just a question though, does the AI cagliostro use the move that revives you from across the screen?
Yea, AI Cag does use her Revive so she's very useful in this fight.
Kinda sucks that, its the final update for Relink.
Yea, such a shame.
Hoping for a surprise patch or two, but probably shouldn't get my hopes up.
"Oh, wait, they're doing it with bots, so maybe it's not that impossible to do it alone and I don't really need the multipla-"
*Sees the at least 12 Additional Damage V+ across the bots and Charlotta, as well as some crazy 0.X% more sigils around those*
"Ah, of course, should've guessed".
No point still complaining about Curio sigils in v1.3 when Behemoth was added ages ago.
This was a 7 min clear, plenty of time left. Supplementary V+ doesn't make the difference between a clear and a fail.
And my bots are far from optimized. They are not even using Berserker Echo, which is worth 3 Supp Dmgs by itself.
@@grandskyace EDIT: Made it into a less pedantic post in the end. Also, didn't take into account a lot of people made Behe AFKFarm so my point there kinda falls flat. Cheers.
I guess it just depends on how much someone has farmed. I've AFK farmed Behemoth a LOT so fair enough your mileage will vary.
As for their importance, if you want to go into detail, if I didn't have them I would first cut cooldown reduction slots and then Luci Sigils - all of which are DPS based. The main subtraits on bots for this fight are Nimble, Improved Dodge and Auto-Revive, all of which can still fit at the cost of some DPS. This DPS loss would not have made a difference in this run passing or failing.
As for Echo, my point is that I haven't had time to farm up Echo's for bots which is why they don't have it. These bots could be doing a good chunk of extra damage if I had Echoes (in addition to Supp Dmgs like you mentioned). If I really lacked space, cutting 1 Supp DMG for Echo is more than worth it.
My overall point is that well geared bots can be used to beat this fight, even if they are not completely BiS.
I agree with your overall point that this is an extremely difficult fight, bots or otherwise.
@@grandskyace I was editing and editing and didn't see your response, and didn't want to sound overly pedant, so sorry for erasing the last one and making this new one with a lot of edits, since I'm in the phone and it's hard as a non-native english speaker to keep consistency on what I'm writting, I'm sorry:
Your response sounds kinda in the deffensive side, so I'll clear one thing: My point was that your bots have outperformed most of the players you can randomly find. Nothing more, nothing less.
NOW, if you're open for debate, that statement you added about the SuppDMG V+...
First things first, the "when Behemoth was added ages ago"... I've got 340+ hours in the game purely farming. Not saying that's a lot or comparing, just saying those are A LOT of hours playing and farming. In all that time, if we were to take out the 20~ hours from story, I've only managed to get a single SuppDMG V+.
By the end, to present time, in the time I got everyone's Terminus, all their + Sigils, and also a set of Alfa/Beta and Gamma for me and my 3 bots, I only managed to get a single SuppDMG V+, and it was indeed from Behemoth and not curios of all things. The "no point in arguing" when I've done *at least* 200 and then some Behemoths very subjective.
*EDIT:* You're right, the AFKFarming, didn't count on that - I didn't do it, so you're right there.
Second, Saying a SuppDMG V+ (enphasis on the +) doesn't make the difference is arguibly wrong imo, because you yourself said "with more stun power I would have gone faster", which it pretty much implies that you need extra slots in sigils in order to prioritize some things over others, and the fact you didn't add more stun power already is either because you can't without sacrificing important things or because you don't have more slots (or maybe because you didn't think you'd need them) - I would say "you don't have them" but since you can manage to have 12 SuppDMG+ it's safe to assume that's not the issue. Point is, having what usually is just 3 SuppDMG V normals to most people, them being + so you could add important stuff (in case of your bots, Onslaughts, Autorevives, Uplifts... etc) can and *DOES* make a difference.
I only have 1 +, but I barely have 6 or 7 normals in total, and they're a 20% boost on damage - add the option to pair them with Uplifts, Onslaughts, Autorevives and such and they're invaluable. Also, yes, you're talking about the Berserker Echo being by itself worth 3 AddDMG. But that's just optimizing EVEN MORE, which is going the extra mile, doesn't make the fact that what you have now is already busted. The Berserker Echo + is just the extra mile, because they stack.
While you don't have B.Echo for them, the fact they have the SuppDMG+ is what made it possible for them to have stuff such as autorevive and nimble onslaught, without loosing other key ones. While I'm certain that in your case you would have completed it regardless, please don't downplay it as if having them doesn't make a difference, because I certainly thing they REALLY DO, also, they wouldn't literally be the most wanted sigil in the whole community if they weren't that great.
Cheers. Sorry for all the editing and in advance if I sound pedantic or obnoxious; I'm just really fking jelly you got those.
I completely agree with your point that having Supp + is extremely valuable for all the reasons you gave.
But I just want to clarify that when I said "doesn't make a difference", I meant that clearing this fight does not NEED Supp+, as you can cut DPS slots first and still have enough time.
is supp dmg v+ and berserker echo+ different instances of supplementary damage?
Yep, they are different instances and stack. You should use both. Berserker Echo has higher priority though (if you lack sigil space) as it's equivalent to 3 Supp Dmgs when you reach 25k Atk (which is easy).
Insane gg
Thanks!
Awesome!
Thanks!
War Elem works on Lucilius?
Yea, it works on Null element bosses.
Wow amazing run! Would FoF be recommended for Zeta players?
If you are just focusing on clearing and not on speed then FoF makes things a lot more comfortable.
It does promote bad habits though if you care about that type of thing.
GG. It is possible do clear the quest with multiple bosses with the bots?
I've been clearing the "Might and Magic" one with bots to farm the new Sigils - both AFK and actively playing. The AFK clear rate is not great for me at the moment though due to the time limit.
I haven't tried the other ones yet but I'd be surprised if it wasn't possible. Might be hard though.
yes but make sure theres a support character in your team Rosetta or Cagliostro or Gran/Djeeta and i highly don’t recommend AI Vane cause im 90% sure his ai is bugged cause there will be times where he stands still and does nothing and dies
@@kittykedama7643 Thanks. I have all terminus weapon awakened and i atually use the same team in his video, but i also used before Rosetta, Percival, siegfried as AI companion. I will keep Vane away xD
Well done!
All Paradise lost casts after the labors require 4 sba?
Yea, need a full burst to cancel all PLs in this fight.
Why the bots have improved dodge? It is just for this quest specifically?
I'm pretty sure it does help bots dodge better and proc Nimble Onslaught better too. I just use it on bots for all quests.
@@grandskyace Nice, i will try, it will defitinely help with the new quest (all other quest before 1.3 i never needed to use one. Thanks
Haven't played this game for a long time. Did they buff her so using finisher doesn't remove the stance?
They added a new character sigil for each character in v1.2. Charlotta's one basically does what you said (plus add some DMG).
@@grandskyace That's busted lol
It really is lol
@@grandskyace Oh brother you haven't seen Ghandagoza just yet 😅
My Ghanda isn't level yet 😂
I know he is a link time beast though.
Omg you're a monster😲
Thanks. This was a pretty messy run lol. Still learning the fight.
I was able to get a 6:20 time with my ai.
Great job!
What's the point using Stun Power?
To stun him more quickly to trigger Link Time faster.
The real question is where did you get all these sup V+ sigils from.
PC player.....!!!
I mean, Behemoth has been out for ages and AFK farming is a thing.
@@grandskyaceI have not had any but sup IV from him. The drop rates of Sup V± is super low, same with war element V+
Still afk farming...gonna drop at some point..
Though I guess you have botted that one as you would die with the usual afk farming strats
@@Stinkyremy Behemoth is actually not bad to AFK farm with well geared bots. I have a video I made on the first day of v1.2 showing it. It's even faster now due to all the powercreep lately.
Still need to AFK farm him more cause I don't have any War Ele+ :(
@@grandskyace I think war ele + was introduced in this patch, extremely low drop rate. Well I have heard from a few sources seen 2 images of it too
Yea War Ele+ is new in this patch.
I think it's even harder to get than Supp V+ since I heard that it only drops from Behemoth directly, and not even in Curios (though I'm not certain).