Hair cut Simon? Knew your fave would be the laser disco ball, mine too! tho look at Faye go, pretty much paid for those tyres out right!! - Welldone!! :) x
Was going to switch of Europe and NI but in the end decided to leave it alone cos if eBay decide to hide listings then up to them. Europe a NI is only about 10% of my sales anyway
@@Married2Reselling They don't need to. You are reading the regulations incorrectly. The EU did not just allow everything already visible to an EU client in the world to be sold into the EU. It would have been absurd.
@@Married2Reselling What placing on the market means. It's an EU law concept, not relevant to when you uploaded the products on eBay. Placing on the EU market means that the product has to be already in the EU or the transaction for its sale had to have been completed by the 13th Dec. Source: Commission notice The ‘Blue Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules 2022 (Text with EEA relevance) 2022/C 247/01 2.4. Making available and placing on the market in case of distance and online sales
"Some products outside the EU can be bought directly by end-users in the EU online or through other means of distance sales. Although these products are deemed to be made available in the Union prior to any transaction for the purposes of checks by market surveillance authorities pursuant to Regulation (EU) 2019/1020, they are placed on the market at the moment an order by an end user has been placed and confirmed for a specific product already manufactured and subject of the transaction, and ready to be shipped."
I heard differing arguments. the legal wording is ambiguous. What does on the market mean? Does that mean items that have been sold before by someone else are o.k. Or does it mean every time an item is listed regardless if it's been sold before, it is new to the market and needs the info entered ?
@@Married2Reselling AFAIK, Placing on the Market: This is when a product is introduced into the supply chain and made available to an end user or intermediary. A product that is sitting in a warehouse, unsold or not available to users, is not yet on the market.
I've left things alone on ebay but I've turned my shipping to NI off on Amazon. I think Amazon are also supposed to be suppressing non-compliant listings but I trust them even less than I trust ebay.
We’ve carried on as normal and guess what sold a Spode tray to Germany on Saturday also did not do anything with the German packaging regulations either and sent via GSP
I hope you all understand that all, including second-hand goods have to have a representatitve (except actual art, antiques and collectibles) in the EU. Placing on the EU market is an EU law principle and means already in the EU or already sold to an EU/NI client before the 13th. The definition can be found in the Commission notice The ‘Blue Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules 2022 (Text with EEA relevance) 2022/C 247/01 and reads: "Making available and placing on the market in case of distance and online sales" ... Some products outside the EU can be bought directly by end-users in the EU online or through other means of distance sales. Although these products are deemed to be made available in the Union prior to any transaction for the purposes of checks by market surveillance authorities pursuant to Regulation (EU) 2019/1020, they are placed on the market at the moment an order by an end user has been placed and confirmed for a specific product already manufactured and subject of the transaction, and ready to be shipped." The liability is with the online seller and not with the platform unless they store your goods, package or send them.
Have not done anything and sold to France, Italy and Denmark since Saturday through GSP. Through all the confusion im of the same thinking as you, that if it has historically been available before 13th Dec 2024 then no action is needed.
@@Married2Reselling Thats what is annoying people as the GPSR applies to "all" products. Business sellers are moaning that private sellers can sell the same items as business sellers, but private sellers can bypass the regulations. But nothing I have seen so far differentiates between any sort of sellers business or private or otherwise. This only seems to be something eBay or doing.. Going by the current regulations they should not be doing that.. But who the hell knows what is going on with all this anyway...
Private individuals are included. Art. 3(18) of the GDPR says: (18) ‘trader’ means any natural person or any legal person irrespective of whether privately or publicly owned, who is acting, including through any person acting in that natural or legal person’s name or on that natural or legal person’s behalf, for purposes relating to the natural or legal person’s trade, business, craft or profession;
It’s true isn’t it, personal sellers are much less likely to be bringing new products to market, if they are, they’re most likely a business masquerading as private.
We're talking GPSR and there's more sales from the barn!
Many thanks for the info on GPSR
No problem 👍
Thanks for your research & consideration if this etc
Hair cut Simon? Knew your fave would be the laser disco ball, mine too! tho look at Faye go, pretty much paid for those tyres out right!! - Welldone!! :) x
Good spot!
Was going to switch of Europe and NI but in the end decided to leave it alone cos if eBay decide to hide listings then up to them. Europe a NI is only about 10% of my sales anyway
I don’t really understand how eBay will know if an item is new to market and hide them, particularly if a GTIN isn’t added when listing it.
@@Married2Reselling They don't need to. You are reading the regulations incorrectly. The EU did not just allow everything already visible to an EU client in the world to be sold into the EU. It would have been absurd.
Which part am I reading incorrectly?
@@Married2Reselling What placing on the market means. It's an EU law concept, not relevant to when you uploaded the products on eBay.
Placing on the EU market means that the product has to be already in the EU or the transaction for its sale had to have been completed by the 13th Dec.
Source:
Commission notice The ‘Blue Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules 2022 (Text with EEA relevance) 2022/C 247/01
2.4. Making available and placing on the market in case of distance and online sales
"Some products outside the EU can be bought directly by end-users in the EU online or through other means of distance sales. Although these products are deemed to be made available in the Union prior to any transaction for the purposes of checks by market surveillance authorities pursuant to Regulation (EU) 2019/1020, they are placed on the market at the moment an order by an end user has been placed and confirmed for a specific product already manufactured and subject of the transaction, and ready to be shipped."
I heard differing arguments. the legal wording is ambiguous. What does on the market mean? Does that mean items that have been sold before by someone else are o.k. Or does it mean every time an item is listed regardless if it's been sold before, it is new to the market and needs the info entered ?
Every time something is listed the info should be added (for items that are new to the market after Dec 13th).
But what is new to the market? 😂
New product. Never been sold before by anyone. At least that’s my understanding… 🤞
@@Married2Reselling AFAIK, Placing on the Market:
This is when a product is introduced into the supply chain and made available to an end user or intermediary.
A product that is sitting in a warehouse, unsold or not available to users, is not yet on the market.
@@Married2Reselling You are forgetting the key word 'EU' -- EU market.
I've left things alone on ebay but I've turned my shipping to NI off on Amazon. I think Amazon are also supposed to be suppressing non-compliant listings but I trust them even less than I trust ebay.
True
We’ve carried on as normal and guess what sold a Spode tray to Germany on Saturday also did not do anything with the German packaging regulations either and sent via GSP
I thought eBay was turning off EU sales which did not comply with all the other information they wanted now ?
Double trouble! 🤣🤣🤣
@@exxosukso did we
I hope you all understand that all, including second-hand goods have to have a representatitve (except actual art, antiques and collectibles) in the EU.
Placing on the EU market is an EU law principle and means already in the EU or already sold to an EU/NI client before the 13th.
The definition can be found in the Commission notice The ‘Blue Guide’ on the implementation of EU product rules 2022 (Text with EEA relevance) 2022/C 247/01
and reads:
"Making available and placing on the market in case of distance and online sales" ...
Some products outside the EU can be bought directly by end-users in the EU online or through other means of distance sales. Although these products are deemed to be made available in the Union prior to any transaction for the purposes of checks by market surveillance authorities pursuant to Regulation (EU) 2019/1020, they are placed on the market at the moment an order by an end user has been placed and confirmed for a specific product already manufactured and subject of the transaction, and ready to be shipped."
The liability is with the online seller and not with the platform unless they store your goods, package or send them.
Exactly
Thanks for checking one of mine! Are you testing to see if I watch…
🤣 gotcha! (one was our own), but whose was the third?
@@Married2ResellingNo idea but I’ll guess N&A
Have not done anything and sold to France, Italy and Denmark since Saturday through GSP. Through all the confusion im of the same thinking as you, that if it has historically been available before 13th Dec 2024 then no action is needed.
Wrong. Placing on the EU market is an EU law concept and means already in the EU or sold to a client in the EU before the 13th.
Are these sellers private sellers or business sellers? This might make the difference?
All business
@Married2Reselling Now that's reassuring. I hope this whole thing is pretty much a non event. 🤞
@@Married2Reselling Thats what is annoying people as the GPSR applies to "all" products. Business sellers are moaning that private sellers can sell the same items as business sellers, but private sellers can bypass the regulations. But nothing I have seen so far differentiates between any sort of sellers business or private or otherwise. This only seems to be something eBay or doing.. Going by the current regulations they should not be doing that.. But who the hell knows what is going on with all this anyway...
Private individuals are included.
Art. 3(18) of the GDPR says:
(18)
‘trader’ means any natural person or any legal person irrespective of whether privately or publicly owned, who is acting, including through any person acting in that natural or legal person’s name or on that natural or legal person’s behalf, for purposes relating to the natural or legal person’s trade, business, craft or profession;
It’s true isn’t it, personal sellers are much less likely to be bringing new products to market, if they are, they’re most likely a business masquerading as private.