Speed 2 looks like a fantastic 5k-10k shoe. I think a part of the issue for many with the speed 3 and 4 is the width increase combined with the weight can really make the shoe feel meh for speedy runs if you have narrow feet especially. On a side note. Really happy to see good human beings like yourself that work hard, study are a partner and father too while chasing a dream. Genuinely wish you nothing but the best and congratz on the growth of the channel
As a narrow-footed runner, I 100% agree. The fit of the Speed 2 is perfect for 10k distance and I have run up to a 1/2 in them. Gald I bought and extra pair when I had the chance!
This may be the best shoe review video I have ever seen. I appreciate your dedication. I loved the Speed 2 so much that I snagged an extra pair at a discount last year. The only problem is they are still in the box! My original pair has nearly 400 miles on them and won't die!
This is the video , i have been waiting for - i have 4 pairs of SPEED 2, Speed 3 - gave me hot spots and achy arches ---- hope they go back to the Speed 2 architecture
dawg I can't believe you went out and actually got the speed 2 lol. What dedication. I can recommend the Nathan light bender RX LED band. It's not a vest but it's just a super comfy light strip you can put on your arm(s). Some people buy multiple but I just wear the one with my headlamp. I think it's dope. Has different light colors and flash options too.
YES 🔥🔥🔥 the OG Speed 2 meant speed workouts + threshold (notice the midsole is lower to the ground with 5 mm drop) while Speed 3 & 4 became fast "daily trainers". I still have 2 pairs of Endorphin speed 2 that I fully enjoy running in, and because I heard so many complains about the speed 3, I kept loading up on speed 2s without giving a damn. great comparison & thorough review 🔥🔥🔥
Speed 2 - favourite running shoe. Got 450 miles on mine and still prefer them to the 3s for speed work. Manage to hunt down a pair a new pair of 2s online for when they finally die
Let me put it this way. If I'm going to a road running race without doing any terrain study and don't know which shoes to wear, endorphin speed 1/2 are always something I can count on. It's like an AK in the battlefield.
Can’t thank you enough for this video!!! As a Speed 2 lover, I needed this. I’m on my second pair and was waiting on the 3’s to go on sale before checking them out. Reviews on those vs the 2’s seem to be all over the map but your review brings clarity. I got lucky and just found a pair of 2’s in my size online at champs and ordered them. Ugly color way but I don’t care, I want that magic in the midsole! I only do one 6 mile run a week so I want it to fun while also helping my pace. Sounds like the 2 is better than the 3 or 4 to accomplish this.
Love that you were able to get a fresh pair to do this test with! I have the Takumi sen 8 to fill in the void that my Speed 2's used to fill, but the Speed 2's could also do longer runs up to half marathon where I wouldn't feel comfortable in the Sen 8. Was looking at either Boston 12 or puma deviate nitro 2 to go alongside
I have a pair of Speed 2s with almost 400 miles on them. I recently got Boston 12s (at a great discount) and I love them too. They are not quite as nimble as the Speed 2s but feel light and comfortable over various speeds and distances.
Has Saucony ever commented on the move away from the super popular Speed 2? Something that isnt just marketing fluff. Im 500 km into my current pair, and still have 2 in the closet 😊
I had 3 pairs of the 2's and loved them. Got around 450-550 km on each. If I recall they do have a small break in period before they really get dialed in (about 20-30km)
Good content bro , the speed 2 was my favourite shoe ever , I've run many half's in them as well as doing speedwork, for me they were do it all best trainers ever, I couldn't walk in them but for running they were amazing. I was crying when I've had to throw them away because after 500 miles the midsole harden up too much and they had no bounce to them
Not all heroes wear capes. I don’t remember any other runner out there doing such a nice assessment between two models that are years a part. Long live Endorphin Speed 2’s! Gels on me.
Workout idea. Warm up then strides at mile race pace followed by 3 miles at Marathon pace, 2 miles at half marathon pace, 1 MI at 10 K pace, 1 km 5K pace. Recovery jog 2 minutes between sets
Curious what the end of the lifespan is for your Speed 2s? I have about 360 miles on my first pair and they have less bounce in them now but otherwise are showing very little wear.
God I loved the speed 2. The first peba shoe I ever bought. Went through 3 pairs of them, used them as my primary workout and race shoe for 2 years, and finally broke 40 minutes in the 10k in them. Since then I got a pair of VF2s and pretty much all my PRs have come in them. But I will never forget the speed 2s. Still have my original pair because I’m just too sentimental 😂
The Speed 2 is an amazing shoe for tempo, threshold, and longer interval workouts. It could easily be a race-day shoe for some people. It is the Endorphin Pro 2 without the harshness of the carbon plate. Your video seals the deal for me when I need to retire my current pairs: I'm getting the Takumi Sen.
The Speed 2 is the best shoe I have come across in 45 years of running, despite the thinner outsole compared to old school shoes. I have stocked up on several pairs. I am not interested in wafer thin rubbish like what Saucony has glued to the bottom of the Speed 4.
I am on a second pair of Speed 2s. I love them: they were my original racing and uptempo shoe as I started getting more into running. I just wish they were a touch wider and softer for long runs...I'm thinking about getting the 3 once it's discounted to try out as a long run shoe while using the 2s for speed day.
This was an interesting comparison. I did see commenters in other videos suggesting the Asics Magic Speed might be a decent alternative for those who think the Speed 3/4 have been tamed too much. This may be especially true if Asics puts FF Turbo in the Magic Speed 4; they've already done it in the S4.
I have owned/ran thru at LEAST 8 pairs of endorphin speed and pro 1s and 2s. The reformulated pro 2 is the greatest shoe of all time followed by the speed 2 all hail saucony endorphin speed 2🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️
I wasn’t even watching or reading shoe reviews and was telling everyone speed 2 was my favorite shoe ever and I was somewhat surprised to find how many other people felt the same. Ive used them for everything, even a trail marathon. What a shoe
I only use my Speed 2s for faster runs, they are too unstable for general runs. I prefer my Tempus shoes for most runs and I'm looking forward to getting some 3s or 4s. The 2s have a huge fan base, but I want the versatility of the later versions.
The speed 3 (and now 4) is not an evolution of the 2 .. I have owned most of the endorphin line since the speed1 and pro1 for me the elite is the successor to the pro+ which was a succesor to the pro 2 etc and the pro3 is the succesor of the speed 1 & 2 . I initially disliked the speed 3 , until i realised that it was not a tempo /race pace shoe (dispite what the marketing said) , it was a poppy daily trainer. I have recently pulled it out of the garage and I am enjoying it for what it is.
I love the 3s. But at 200lbs and turning some 6 minute paces, I like the protection. I'm not totally sure they feel like they have a lot of propulsion, but they turn over, and my legs feel great.
So funny this vid popped up today, I ran in my old speed 2s today for the 1st time in over a year. As soon as I ran in them i remembered what a fantastic shoe it is. I will say its my favourite shoe ever, i have ran in all the popular shoes. It is the best all round shoe ever IMO.
I feel like the running community has tried so hard to smooth over the fact that the speed 2 is light years ahead of the 3’s and 4’s. It’s just not even close idk what Saucony is doing but keep fast shoes fast, there are plenty of daily trainers out there.
Very very good comparison. Your videos are getting better and better. One thing I disagree is that the speed 4 has a more modern design than the speed 2. The speed 2 originally had the checkerboard design.
Thanks for the comparison video. I am currently on my final pair of Speed 1 (OG) and I still have 2 pairs of Speed 2 (one of the RunShield) Speed 3 is delegated to daily trainer role. Thanks for mentioning Takumi Sen. I have 3 pairs of Takumi Sen 8 too :) I guess I am good until the end of the year. For vest, try Noxgear Tracer 2. There is also an optional lamp attachment that goes in the chest where the buckle meets so you wouldn't need the head lamp.
Interesting review. Glad to see I'm not the only stashing an extra pair of ES2 in my cupboard! My ES1 are still fine after 500km and are still good for racing as well for people who feel carbon plated shoes are too hard. I agree stability isn't great and can be an issue in sharp turns but still think it is a great all rounder. Thanks for recommending the Takumi Sen as a potential replacement because to me ES3 is more a daily trainer and has nothing to do with ES1/2. Saucony is probably trying to reach out to a wider customer base by making it softer.
Speed 1&2 was too unstable for my handicap, but this is how I feel about Pro 2. And why I stocked up on them after being let down with Pro 3. Certain shoes just do it for certain people and as much as I couldn’t get on with it, I see how people could live the Speed 2. And how disappointing it is when they change your favorite shoe of all time.
This video reminded me I have a S2 in the closet. Wife was trying to sell it on Poshmark. Will have to rescue it and give it another shot, but anxiously awaiting the S4.
Thanks so very much, this is exactly the comparison that I needed as my speed 2 are closing in fast on the end of life. Next up, you need to compare Speed 2 vs Pro 4 😊 - I do have the Pro 3 and I might just use these as a replacement for the Speed 2 and find myself a new race day shoe 👟
A great speed workout i love to test going up through the gears... 2 x 3 min @ half marathon pace With 2 min jog recovery inbetween 2 x 1 min 30 @ 10k pace With 1 min 30 sec jog recovery inbetween 4 x 1 min @ 5K pace With 1 min jog recovery inbetween 4 x 30 sec @ 800m pace With 30 sec jog recovery inbetween 4 x 15 sec as fast as you can at that point! With 15 sec jog recovery inbetween. It's a workout i always feel great from after completing! It also gives some good experience in the feel of running at different paces and switching between them, so my race paces feel more natural and easier to 'lock' in to without looking at my watch every 30 seconds!
My wife and I have had five pairs of the Speed 1/2 between us...I still have one pair at around the 200 mi. mark that's in the rotation. Definitely have loved the miles I've had in them.
I’ve had all three Speed models. No doubt that v.2 feels & performed differently than v.3 but I’ve loved them all, with over 250 miles on all three models & still using them all! I have the Americana version of v.2, which is a sweet look 🇺🇸
Durability on the Speed 2 will not be an issue. I had the Speed 1 which had the same midsole and outsole as the Speed 2. I took them to 415 miles before retiring due to the midsole feeling “dead”. The outsole though, probably could’ve gone for another 200-300+. The XT900 rubber compound used on the Speed 1/2 is incredible from a durability standpoint.
Also wanted to add a workout to compare the Speed 2 vs Speed 4. I’ve been enjoying a 6x 6’ threshold session with 1’ walk/jog recovery. The warmup and cooldown are 1-2 miles each. It’s a tough workout and will be a solid test to compare the Endo Speeds for the pace changes and if you can hold the pace during the full 6’ work periods.
I think that if you have good running technique and if you are not that heavy, the Speed 2 is a faster shoe than other wider shoes. For me, the Speed 2 felt unstable, like the midsole was only in certain narrow spots and not cushioned across the shoe. I hated it. I prefer firm or energetic shoes but with good neutral stability (I don’t like actual stability shoes) Saucony Triumph, ASICS Superblast, Mizuno Wave Rider, etc.
Ran my first marathon in the speed 1. Got my half marathon pr in the speed 2. Speed 3 is a fun shoe, but generally I am using it for daily training and picking up the pace a bit (like the Boston 12 more for workouts). Not sure on the speed 4.
Wild that you ran a marathon in the speed 1! The 2 is similar and I would've wanted more stability for that distance so that is highly impressive 💪🏽 If you have life on the speed 3 and Boston 12 I wouldn't go for the 4 though. Boston 12 for me is much better for fast running and the speed 4 is very similar in feel to the 3
I recommend doing 1k repeats or 800m repeats @5k effort to really test out the top end speed feel of both shoes. And then for your second work do a 13 mile progression run starting off with a 2.5 mile warm jog, 4 miles @marathon pace, 4 miles @ half marathon pace and then 2.5 mile cooldown recovery
Well this was a fun experiment, thank you! Now that you’ve experienced the 2, how would you compare it to the Boston 12? I guess you can relate to why I switched to the Takumi Sen for faster workouts now 😊 As for a workout suggestion: a staple in marathon training for me is the critical velocity workout: 1 km @ critical velocity, 1 minute walking recovery, repeat. I build up to 10 x 1 km. CV pace for me is just a notch faster than 10 km pace. For me that’s a 3:35 per km. Threshold for reference is around 3:50 perkm.
If you can find a pair you should try out the Saucony Endorphin Pro 2 - very similar to the Speed 2 but with a carbon plate - I have the Pro 3 for 1/2 Marathon races but use the Pro 2 for track sessions and will be really sad when I have to retire them!
I love the Speed 2 but Speed 3 is mushy after an hour or so. Not getting the 4.. Takumi Sen 9 and 10 are very narrow in the midfoot. So I will try the Mizuno Wave Flash 🎉🎉
I am on a second pair of speed 1s, saving them for special occasions. why do all those great shoes have to be more stable now? makes them a bit boring.....
Omg love this 😂 thanks for doing that! I honestly would race a 5k in the speed 2s if I had to they were that good. Maybe try some vo2 max work like 5x1.2km at vo2 max pace so basically a pace you can hold for 2 miles.
I feel like a dork wearing it but I’ve been running in the tracer 2 for a couple of years now and it’s a quality product. Makes me feel a bit safer around the cars that fly through my neighborhood
super dissapointed with the speed 3. speed 2 is my all time fave shoe. they made the speed 3 wider and is now a brick. you need to break in the speed 2. it gets better.
I'm another one who thinks the Speed 2 is the best shoe I've ever run in. Still remember the first time I tried on the Speed 1, and it was as thought the shoe *wanted* me to go for a run. The speed 2s were even better. I suspect the changes Saucony made to the Speed were to address the issue of heel stability, but I feel stability was only an issue when running slowly - any pace above 5:30/km for me and I had no problems at all. In this respect, the latest speed shoes feel "dumbed down", and this is disappointing, as the clue is in the name - the shoe was never intended for easy miles. I'll look out for a pair of Takumi Sens as my last pair of Speed 2s is just about spent, and the Speed 3s just don't fill that gap for me.
Stretchy upper = BAD. Also looks like you are braking on your slower paces based on the wear pattern of your shoes, which means you have the classic imbalance most of us do. Some focused strength and conditioning might free up some untapped potential at the half and especially full marathon distance. Keep up the great content!
You mentioned the Adidas Takumi Sen as another shoe compared to the Speed 2, any thoughts on how the ASICS Magic Speed 3 would stack up in this lineup? I tend to prefer a firmer ride as well.
Never had the speed series but I have run and race in the pro series..1 and 2 were very fast but not friendly at all..really beat up your feet..ditto for the pro3 cos it goes flat pretty quickly..I now use the Mizuno pro and beat my PBs in that shoe and my feet always feel good afterwards..looking forward to the new Mizuno pro 2..😊
I might be one of the few but Speed 2 is not for me. Took mine out for a 14 km run the other day and my hips and legs were sore almost 2 days after. I also find them very unstable/wobbly. Not particularly fast either. Maybe I just dont know how to run correctIy? I prefer the Pegasus Turbo 1 or Pegasus 39 for slower, longer runs
J'avoue, ma speed 2 me procure beaucoup de plaisir comparez à ma speed 3 dont j'espérais à l'époque retrouver le même effet de folie. Je fais attention à ma speed 2 afin de ne pas trop l'usée car elle est devenue mon collector pour mes pieds ^^
A lot of runners have taken the 2 to 300+ miles and found it super durable. I personally haven't put a lot of miles in it but it's a really durable shoe from what I've heard
The speed 2 was a mint shoe and loads of fun to run in but i worried I would break my ankles every time I went round a corner 😂, I much preferred the 3, top video as always mate!
That is interesting to me. I have wobbly ankles from many past injuries so I was concerned about the Speed 2, but I have put almost 400 miles on my pair and never had any stability issues. I even take them off-road on occasion. My only complaint is they slip when the pavement gets wet.
I kindly disagree agree sir. But speed 1 in future black noir is the best speed version EVER made. I have an extra unused pair that is vacuum pack in storage. I might never actually use it as I do own 5 pairs of Speed 1 and speed 2 on my rotation. I did not purchase the speed 3 but did get 2 pairs of Pro 3. I found the speed 3 to be underwhelming.
That is interesting to me. I have wobbly ankles from many past injuries so I was concerned about the Speed 2, but I have put almost 400 miles on my pair and never had any stability issues. I even take them off-road on occasion. My only complaint is they slip when the pavement gets wet.
I rarely use mine due to the instability. Had them a year now and only done about 50 miles. They're good for fast runs, but Saucony Tempus is generally nicer and disappears on the foot.
@@st4331 It's interesting that the Speed 2 feels unstable to some, but to me, it feels very stable. I regularly take it on trails and have no issues other than the outsole sucks. In fact, if it had a more grippy, durable outsole it would be a great trail shoe for me.
@@wooleyspidermonkey I tried it on a light trail and I didn't enjoy it. For many it's a perfect shoe; I think it's very good, but specialised for me due to the stability. In contrast, the Tempus is great everywhere, as long as it's dry, but it is losing some magic after 400 miles!
@@st4331 For sure, the Speed is not going to be as stable as a shoe like the Tempus and similarly to you, the foam on my first pair of Speeds started to go a little flat after 400 miles.
Which number in the adidas takumi sen please. Is it 8 or 9 please. I've just ordered and received another pair of saucony endorphin speed, 2 as I love my first pair I got for a bargain price of 41.00 off ebay. I do like the speed 3, but I'm saving my 2s for half marathon race's.
The blue ones I have are Takumi Sen 8 - I didn't get the 9 because it was only an upper update. I love the 8 but it's super hard to find it anywhere anymore - the 10 should be available in the US soon though
Speed 2 looks like a fantastic 5k-10k shoe. I think a part of the issue for many with the speed 3 and 4 is the width increase combined with the weight can really make the shoe feel meh for speedy runs if you have narrow feet especially. On a side note. Really happy to see good human beings like yourself that work hard, study are a partner and father too while chasing a dream. Genuinely wish you nothing but the best and congratz on the growth of the channel
As a narrow-footed runner, I 100% agree. The fit of the Speed 2 is perfect for 10k distance and I have run up to a 1/2 in them. Gald I bought and extra pair when I had the chance!
This may be the best shoe review video I have ever seen. I appreciate your dedication. I loved the Speed 2 so much that I snagged an extra pair at a discount last year. The only problem is they are still in the box! My original pair has nearly 400 miles on them and won't die!
This is the video , i have been waiting for - i have 4 pairs of SPEED 2, Speed 3 - gave me hot spots and achy arches ---- hope they go back to the Speed 2 architecture
My Speed 2's are still going strong. Great shoe.
Feel like this channel is about to pop! Coming out with good content constantly last couple weeks 💯😎
I am down to 2 pair. Totally agree with you. I want the Speed 2 to come back.
Giving the people want they want! Great to see the comparison from a fresh perspective.
dawg I can't believe you went out and actually got the speed 2 lol. What dedication.
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Ran my first 26.2 in the Speed 1 and ran my first marathon in the Speed 2. Took the 2s out for a threshold yesterday. Favorite shoe of all time.
Isn’t a marathon 26.2?
@@michaeltran2743 Haha, yes. The 26.2 was on my own and not a marathon race, hence the distinction.
YES 🔥🔥🔥
the OG Speed 2 meant speed workouts + threshold (notice the midsole is lower to the ground with 5 mm drop) while Speed 3 & 4 became fast "daily trainers".
I still have 2 pairs of Endorphin speed 2 that I fully enjoy running in, and because I heard so many complains about the speed 3, I kept loading up on speed 2s without giving a damn.
great comparison & thorough review 🔥🔥🔥
Speed 2 - favourite running shoe. Got 450 miles on mine and still prefer them to the 3s for speed work. Manage to hunt down a pair a new pair of 2s online for when they finally die
Let me put it this way. If I'm going to a road running race without doing any terrain study and don't know which shoes to wear, endorphin speed 1/2 are always something I can count on. It's like an AK in the battlefield.
Love the Speed 2. Still use for most of my interval and tempo runs after 800km. Prefer it over the Pro 3 and even VF2.
Can’t thank you enough for this video!!! As a Speed 2 lover, I needed this. I’m on my second pair and was waiting on the 3’s to go on sale before checking them out. Reviews on those vs the 2’s seem to be all over the map but your review brings clarity.
I got lucky and just found a pair of 2’s in my size online at champs and ordered them. Ugly color way but I don’t care, I want that magic in the midsole!
I only do one 6 mile run a week so I want it to fun while also helping my pace. Sounds like the 2 is better than the 3 or 4 to accomplish this.
Glad it helped! Yeah the 2 is an awesome shoe for that one nice run per week. And you are right the colorways on version 2 were truly offensive hahaha
Love that you were able to get a fresh pair to do this test with! I have the Takumi sen 8 to fill in the void that my Speed 2's used to fill, but the Speed 2's could also do longer runs up to half marathon where I wouldn't feel comfortable in the Sen 8. Was looking at either Boston 12 or puma deviate nitro 2 to go alongside
I have a pair of Speed 2s with almost 400 miles on them. I recently got Boston 12s (at a great discount) and I love them too. They are not quite as nimble as the Speed 2s but feel light and comfortable over various speeds and distances.
I got both speed 2 and TS8.... ts8 or ts9 is definitely faster than speed 2 or 3!! The TS is a far superior shoe!!
@@bluesque9687until you need to go over 10k I agree, and then speed 2 has the edge and is a better all rounder imo.
@@GregK2 Yes, longer distances maybe... but then I would prefer pro 3 over speed 2 or 3!
Has Saucony ever commented on the move away from the super popular Speed 2? Something that isnt just marketing fluff. Im 500 km into my current pair, and still have 2 in the closet 😊
I had 3 pairs of the 2's and loved them. Got around 450-550 km on each. If I recall they do have a small break in period before they really get dialed in (about 20-30km)
Why so low mileage? They can give you 700-800km easily.
@@hexfire yea probably, but they definitely start feeling a lot worse around 500. There’s always good deals out there so moved on to other shoes
Good content bro , the speed 2 was my favourite shoe ever , I've run many half's in them as well as doing speedwork, for me they were do it all best trainers ever, I couldn't walk in them but for running they were amazing. I was crying when I've had to throw them away because after 500 miles the midsole harden up too much and they had no bounce to them
Not all heroes wear capes. I don’t remember any other runner out there doing such a nice assessment between two models that are years a part. Long live Endorphin Speed 2’s! Gels on me.
Thank you! I appreciate the kind words and the generous super thanks! 💪🏽
Workout idea. Warm up then strides at mile race pace followed by 3 miles at Marathon pace, 2 miles at half marathon pace, 1 MI at 10 K pace, 1 km 5K pace. Recovery jog 2 minutes between sets
Still run in my Speed 2s (at the end of their lifespan). Thanks for comparing!
Curious what the end of the lifespan is for your Speed 2s? I have about 360 miles on my first pair and they have less bounce in them now but otherwise are showing very little wear.
About the same as you, but they've been through rough nordic climates with tons of rain.@@wooleyspidermonkey
@@thomas_trandal my one complaint about the Speed 2 is the traction sucks in wet conditions. Must not have bothered you 😅
@@wooleyspidermonkey I just call it balance training hahah.
Glad to know I made a great decision to invest in the Saucony Endorphin Speed 2'
God I loved the speed 2. The first peba shoe I ever bought. Went through 3 pairs of them, used them as my primary workout and race shoe for 2 years, and finally broke 40 minutes in the 10k in them. Since then I got a pair of VF2s and pretty much all my PRs have come in them. But I will never forget the speed 2s. Still have my original pair because I’m just too sentimental 😂
The Speed 2 is an amazing shoe for tempo, threshold, and longer interval workouts. It could easily be a race-day shoe for some people. It is the Endorphin Pro 2 without the harshness of the carbon plate. Your video seals the deal for me when I need to retire my current pairs: I'm getting the Takumi Sen.
The Speed 2 is the best shoe I have come across in 45 years of running, despite the thinner outsole compared to old school shoes. I have stocked up on several pairs.
I am not interested in wafer thin rubbish like what Saucony has glued to the bottom of the Speed 4.
I am on a second pair of Speed 2s. I love them: they were my original racing and uptempo shoe as I started getting more into running. I just wish they were a touch wider and softer for long runs...I'm thinking about getting the 3 once it's discounted to try out as a long run shoe while using the 2s for speed day.
This was an interesting comparison. I did see commenters in other videos suggesting the Asics Magic Speed might be a decent alternative for those who think the Speed 3/4 have been tamed too much. This may be especially true if Asics puts FF Turbo in the Magic Speed 4; they've already done it in the S4.
I have owned/ran thru at LEAST 8 pairs of endorphin speed and pro 1s and 2s. The reformulated pro 2 is the greatest shoe of all time followed by the speed 2 all hail saucony endorphin speed 2🙇♂️🙇♂️🙇♂️
Definitely do 800-1600m Intervals and you’ll see how great the speed 2 is at 10k pace and below. It MOVES!!
I wasn’t even watching or reading shoe reviews and was telling everyone speed 2 was my favorite shoe ever and I was somewhat surprised to find how many other people felt the same. Ive used them for everything, even a trail marathon. What a shoe
I only use my Speed 2s for faster runs, they are too unstable for general runs. I prefer my Tempus shoes for most runs and I'm looking forward to getting some 3s or 4s. The 2s have a huge fan base, but I want the versatility of the later versions.
Please do a full 42.2 k marathon run with the speed 2. I did that… the shoe is capable to do that…. Best marathon shoe without a carbon plate I say. 👍
The speed 3 (and now 4) is not an evolution of the 2 .. I have owned most of the endorphin line since the speed1 and pro1 for me the elite is the successor to the pro+ which was a succesor to the pro 2 etc and the pro3 is the succesor of the speed 1 & 2 . I initially disliked the speed 3 , until i realised that it was not a tempo /race pace shoe (dispite what the marketing said) , it was a poppy daily trainer. I have recently pulled it out of the garage and I am enjoying it for what it is.
I love the 3s. But at 200lbs and turning some 6 minute paces, I like the protection. I'm not totally sure they feel like they have a lot of propulsion, but they turn over, and my legs feel great.
So funny this vid popped up today, I ran in my old speed 2s today for the 1st time in over a year. As soon as I ran in them i remembered what a fantastic shoe it is. I will say its my favourite shoe ever, i have ran in all the popular shoes. It is the best all round shoe ever IMO.
I feel like the running community has tried so hard to smooth over the fact that the speed 2 is light years ahead of the 3’s and 4’s. It’s just not even close idk what Saucony is doing but keep fast shoes fast, there are plenty of daily trainers out there.
Very very good comparison. Your videos are getting better and better. One thing I disagree is that the speed 4 has a more modern design than the speed 2. The speed 2 originally had the checkerboard design.
Thanks for the comparison video. I am currently on my final pair of Speed 1 (OG) and I still have 2 pairs of Speed 2 (one of the RunShield) Speed 3 is delegated to daily trainer role. Thanks for mentioning Takumi Sen. I have 3 pairs of Takumi Sen 8 too :) I guess I am good until the end of the year.
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Interesting review. Glad to see I'm not the only stashing an extra pair of ES2 in my cupboard! My ES1 are still fine after 500km and are still good for racing as well for people who feel carbon plated shoes are too hard. I agree stability isn't great and can be an issue in sharp turns but still think it is a great all rounder. Thanks for recommending the Takumi Sen as a potential replacement because to me ES3 is more a daily trainer and has nothing to do with ES1/2. Saucony is probably trying to reach out to a wider customer base by making it softer.
Speed 1&2 was too unstable for my handicap, but this is how I feel about Pro 2. And why I stocked up on them after being let down with Pro 3. Certain shoes just do it for certain people and as much as I couldn’t get on with it, I see how people could live the Speed 2. And how disappointing it is when they change your favorite shoe of all time.
This video reminded me I have a S2 in the closet. Wife was trying to sell it on Poshmark. Will have to rescue it and give it another shot, but anxiously awaiting the S4.
Speed 2 greatest running shoe ever made for neutral runners
Thanks so very much, this is exactly the comparison that I needed as my speed 2 are closing in fast on the end of life. Next up, you need to compare Speed 2 vs Pro 4 😊 - I do have the Pro 3 and I might just use these as a replacement for the Speed 2 and find myself a new race day shoe 👟
A great speed workout i love to test going up through the gears...
2 x 3 min @ half marathon pace
With 2 min jog recovery inbetween
2 x 1 min 30 @ 10k pace
With 1 min 30 sec jog recovery inbetween
4 x 1 min @ 5K pace
With 1 min jog recovery inbetween
4 x 30 sec @ 800m pace
With 30 sec jog recovery inbetween
4 x 15 sec as fast as you can at that point!
With 15 sec jog recovery inbetween.
It's a workout i always feel great from after completing! It also gives some good experience in the feel of running at different paces and switching between them, so my race paces feel more natural and easier to 'lock' in to without looking at my watch every 30 seconds!
My wife and I have had five pairs of the Speed 1/2 between us...I still have one pair at around the 200 mi. mark that's in the rotation. Definitely have loved the miles I've had in them.
A man of the people, another great video.
I’ve had all three Speed models. No doubt that v.2 feels & performed differently than v.3 but I’ve loved them all, with over 250 miles on all three models & still using them all! I have the Americana version of v.2, which is a sweet look 🇺🇸
Durability on the Speed 2 will not be an issue. I had the Speed 1 which had the same midsole and outsole as the Speed 2. I took them to 415 miles before retiring due to the midsole feeling “dead”. The outsole though, probably could’ve gone for another 200-300+. The XT900 rubber compound used on the Speed 1/2 is incredible from a durability standpoint.
Also wanted to add a workout to compare the Speed 2 vs Speed 4. I’ve been enjoying a 6x 6’ threshold session with 1’ walk/jog recovery. The warmup and cooldown are 1-2 miles each. It’s a tough workout and will be a solid test to compare the Endo Speeds for the pace changes and if you can hold the pace during the full 6’ work periods.
Yup can confirm durability was great
I think that if you have good running technique and if you are not that heavy, the Speed 2 is a faster shoe than other wider shoes. For me, the Speed 2 felt unstable, like the midsole was only in certain narrow spots and not cushioned across the shoe. I hated it. I prefer firm or energetic shoes but with good neutral stability (I don’t like actual stability shoes) Saucony Triumph, ASICS Superblast, Mizuno Wave Rider, etc.
Ran my first marathon in the speed 1. Got my half marathon pr in the speed 2. Speed 3 is a fun shoe, but generally I am using it for daily training and picking up the pace a bit (like the Boston 12 more for workouts). Not sure on the speed 4.
Wild that you ran a marathon in the speed 1! The 2 is similar and I would've wanted more stability for that distance so that is highly impressive 💪🏽 If you have life on the speed 3 and Boston 12 I wouldn't go for the 4 though. Boston 12 for me is much better for fast running and the speed 4 is very similar in feel to the 3
I recommend doing 1k repeats or 800m repeats @5k effort to really test out the top end speed feel of both shoes. And then for your second work do a 13 mile progression run starting off with a 2.5 mile warm jog, 4 miles @marathon pace, 4 miles @ half marathon pace and then 2.5 mile cooldown recovery
So glad I still have an extra pair of the speed 2 new in box
Well this was a fun experiment, thank you! Now that you’ve experienced the 2, how would you compare it to the Boston 12? I guess you can relate to why I switched to the Takumi Sen for faster workouts now 😊
As for a workout suggestion: a staple in marathon training for me is the critical velocity workout: 1 km @ critical velocity, 1 minute walking recovery, repeat. I build up to 10 x 1 km. CV pace for me is just a notch faster than 10 km pace. For me that’s a 3:35 per km. Threshold for reference is around 3:50 perkm.
Great comparison!
compare it with boston 12!
If you can find a pair you should try out the Saucony Endorphin Pro 2 - very similar to the Speed 2 but with a carbon plate - I have the Pro 3 for 1/2 Marathon races but use the Pro 2 for track sessions and will be really sad when I have to retire them!
2 is the GOAT!💯🫡
I'm debating on the Speed 3s. 2s were ok, but kinda firm and kinda unstable. Common complaint. Liked my Triumph 20 way more.
I actually liked the speed 3 😮
1 and 2 just a touch too unstable for me. The 3 is GOAT and I have 3 pairs waiting in the wings 😀
I love the Speed 2 but Speed 3 is mushy after an hour or so. Not getting the 4.. Takumi Sen 9 and 10 are very narrow in the midfoot. So I will try the Mizuno Wave Flash 🎉🎉
Saucony Endorphin Speed 2 is on the OG Pegasus Turbo level as far as being game changers and being GOATed trainers IMHO. 🐐
Everybody know that Speed 2 is GOAT if saucony did special run of speed 2 in mutant colourway(speed 1) they would sell more shoes than vaporflys🎉
I am on a second pair of speed 1s, saving them for special occasions. why do all those great shoes have to be more stable now? makes them a bit boring.....
Speed 2 is pure fun.
Such a nimble shoe.
Omg love this 😂 thanks for doing that!
I honestly would race a 5k in the speed 2s if I had to they were that good. Maybe try some vo2 max work like 5x1.2km at vo2 max pace so basically a pace you can hold for 2 miles.
Hahah of course and thank you! And appreciate the workout suggestion - maybe a 5k time trial... 🤔
@@supwell 100% you need to do this!!
the light vest to purchsse is the Tracer 2 from Noxgear.
I feel like a dork wearing it but I’ve been running in the tracer 2 for a couple of years now and it’s a quality product. Makes me feel a bit safer around the cars that fly through my neighborhood
better to be dork then dead.
super dissapointed with the speed 3. speed 2 is my all time fave shoe. they made the speed 3 wider and is now a brick.
you need to break in the speed 2. it gets better.
I'm another one who thinks the Speed 2 is the best shoe I've ever run in. Still remember the first time I tried on the Speed 1, and it was as thought the shoe *wanted* me to go for a run. The speed 2s were even better. I suspect the changes Saucony made to the Speed were to address the issue of heel stability, but I feel stability was only an issue when running slowly - any pace above 5:30/km for me and I had no problems at all. In this respect, the latest speed shoes feel "dumbed down", and this is disappointing, as the clue is in the name - the shoe was never intended for easy miles.
I'll look out for a pair of Takumi Sens as my last pair of Speed 2s is just about spent, and the Speed 3s just don't fill that gap for me.
Speed 2 still my favourite all round shoe. No doubt.
Or did you get this color on the Saucony endorphin speed 4 ? It’s the best color !
Speed 4 goes in the direction for me. Its a training shoe and not a stable race shoe anymore.
Stretchy upper = BAD. Also looks like you are braking on your slower paces based on the wear pattern of your shoes, which means you have the classic imbalance most of us do. Some focused strength and conditioning might free up some untapped potential at the half and especially full marathon distance.
Keep up the great content!
You mentioned the Adidas Takumi Sen as another shoe compared to the Speed 2, any thoughts on how the ASICS Magic Speed 3 would stack up in this lineup? I tend to prefer a firmer ride as well.
Never had the speed series but I have run and race in the pro series..1 and 2 were very fast but not friendly at all..really beat up your feet..ditto for the pro3 cos it goes flat pretty quickly..I now use the Mizuno pro and beat my PBs in that shoe and my feet always feel good afterwards..looking forward to the new Mizuno pro 2..😊
Speed 2 the best and loved by most,then they make the next model worse,strange.
Man, I think you are addicted to shoes!!
Confirmed 😂
Endorphin Speed 1/2 are legend. Period.
I might be one of the few but Speed 2 is not for me. Took mine out for a 14 km run the other day and my hips and legs were sore almost 2 days after. I also find them very unstable/wobbly. Not particularly fast either. Maybe I just dont know how to run correctIy? I prefer the Pegasus Turbo 1 or Pegasus 39 for slower, longer runs
J'avoue, ma speed 2 me procure beaucoup de plaisir comparez à ma speed 3 dont j'espérais à l'époque retrouver le même effet de folie. Je fais attention à ma speed 2 afin de ne pas trop l'usée car elle est devenue mon collector pour mes pieds ^^
Speed 3 is the GOAT over 2.
did you have v2?
@@scott_stroolYes, Sir. It was a good shoe but very unstable for me. I love version 3.
Saucony Speed 2 🐐
Can you please mention more information about the toebox? Tight or the same
Will you continue to use the 2 for workouts?
How do you find the durability? I also just pickup the 2 haha
A lot of runners have taken the 2 to 300+ miles and found it super durable. I personally haven't put a lot of miles in it but it's a really durable shoe from what I've heard
The speed 2 was a mint shoe and loads of fun to run in but i worried I would break my ankles every time I went round a corner 😂, I much preferred the 3, top video as always mate!
just need to strengthen your ankles mate. I have no problem going round corners. The 2 is much better than the 3
Hahaha you might be right mate, my mate prefers the 2s as well
@@PhilBerry83 i mean i love the 3 too, i have both in the rotation for different runs
That is interesting to me. I have wobbly ankles from many past injuries so I was concerned about the Speed 2, but I have put almost 400 miles on my pair and never had any stability issues. I even take them off-road on occasion. My only complaint is they slip when the pavement gets wet.
@@wooleyspidermonkey They don't slip in rain for me, in frost or anything icy is why i have problems slipping
I kindly disagree agree sir. But speed 1 in future black noir is the best speed version EVER made. I have an extra unused pair that is vacuum pack in storage. I might never actually use it as I do own 5 pairs of Speed 1 and speed 2 on my rotation. I did not purchase the speed 3 but did get 2 pairs of Pro 3. I found the speed 3 to be underwhelming.
Youre the boss man 😂😂😂🤡
Haha you’re so right about the “ankle rolling” on the speed 2. A fast shoe but not very stable
That is interesting to me. I have wobbly ankles from many past injuries so I was concerned about the Speed 2, but I have put almost 400 miles on my pair and never had any stability issues. I even take them off-road on occasion. My only complaint is they slip when the pavement gets wet.
I rarely use mine due to the instability. Had them a year now and only done about 50 miles. They're good for fast runs, but Saucony Tempus is generally nicer and disappears on the foot.
@@st4331 It's interesting that the Speed 2 feels unstable to some, but to me, it feels very stable. I regularly take it on trails and have no issues other than the outsole sucks. In fact, if it had a more grippy, durable outsole it would be a great trail shoe for me.
@@wooleyspidermonkey I tried it on a light trail and I didn't enjoy it. For many it's a perfect shoe; I think it's very good, but specialised for me due to the stability. In contrast, the Tempus is great everywhere, as long as it's dry, but it is losing some magic after 400 miles!
@@st4331 For sure, the Speed is not going to be as stable as a shoe like the Tempus and similarly to you, the foam on my first pair of Speeds started to go a little flat after 400 miles.
Which number in the adidas takumi sen please. Is it 8 or 9 please. I've just ordered and received another pair of saucony endorphin speed, 2 as I love my first pair I got for a bargain price of 41.00 off ebay. I do like the speed 3, but I'm saving my 2s for half marathon race's.
The blue ones I have are Takumi Sen 8 - I didn't get the 9 because it was only an upper update. I love the 8 but it's super hard to find it anywhere anymore - the 10 should be available in the US soon though
Try the Noxgear lighted vest
Upers feels so different. How do you say same sensation????
. I own 4 pairs of Speeds and v1-2 is much better and different than v3.
Noxgear is da best