and of coarse JeremyJahns didnt even have the balls to give TLJ an actual score, he used that exact excuse of needing to watch a second time to make it 'fair'
And books! There another YT channel (JoeShow if I'm not wrong) that gave a bad review/made a rant of the 10 things they hated and now did a second video after seeing the movie 2 more times (WTF?) retracting what was said in the first film bc he bought some dictionary for TLJ. WHAT???!!! According to one user, his channel is really owned by a Disney subsidiary. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I was a huge Star Wars fan. Toys, comics, drinking glasses, bedsheets, and lunchbox. I loved the experience of being taken to a long time ago in a galaxy far away. The Last Jedi made me not want to be a fan anymore. The joy was gone all of a sudden. The film made me not want to go see the Solo film. The Last Jedi made me not care about Star Wars anymore, and that truly breaks my heart.
Eric Lincoln I feel the same way ! I'm a die hard Star Wars fan , I loved the original trilogy and the prequels , when Disney bought the franchise I cringed , now it has come to pass , Star Wars is ruined and beyond the point of no return , I'll not spend a dime to see these pile of shit Disney calls Star Wars , I'm done with this bullshit , !
Same thing happened to me. I’ve been a fan since I was literally 2 years old in 1978, and I walked out of that theater feeling like I got punched in the stomach after watching somebody kick my puppy.
You don't have to quit being a Star Wars fan. Just do like I do, tell yourself the movies ended after The Return of the Jedi. And if you want to keep going with the story? Seek out the Expanded Universe stuff. Disney Wars are not Canon, it's fan fiction. I think the worst part of these new movies are the total destruction of the legacy of the characters created by the original films. And that's something that can't be corrected. H. Ford and M. Hamil will never come back to do another remake, and C. Fisher is dead. But like I said, you don't have to stop being a Star Wars fan. Just ignore all of this new bullshit.
Exactly. This seems to be a love it or hate it movie but for those that didn't like its "we're so clever subverting audience expectations" and its "the past doesn't matter" message its so bad its killed Star Wars for them. Doing things like turning Luke into whatever that thing was then killing him and fundamentally changing the force from what it has been for 6+ movies and hundreds of books has ruined Star Wars forever.
As one of the few people that do like Rey, why 'delusional' people? I'd argue that Rey isn't a perfect character as she still becomes a hostage like she did in the last film, she criesa and has denial problems, she gets rescued by kylo ren and Luke Skywalker. I usually identify and follow character in the previous films, in the prequels it's Obi Wan, in the originals it's Luke and yes the sequels it is Rey. However I don't actually think I am these characters in real life, I do only to enhance my experience. However I do agree with you on one thing... Rey's heroes journey is misconstrued. I don't like how they handled the mystery of Rey's parents or how they've managed to explain her power. Yes she still needs to be taught but I agree that the last jedi is making it hard for me to find.....problems with her character other than it being handled by Rian Johnson. I'm interested to see how they will fix the problems in The Last Jedi in the last episode.
I feel bad for Mark Hamill he wanted the same out of Luke Skywalker as the rest of us normal people and when he tried to speak out about it Disney went full on North Korea censorship on him. Mickey Mouse sneaks up behind me and then proceeds to stab me multiple times in the neck.
I would have demanded them to continue Legends timeline, but after TFA and TLJ I'm not sure if I'd let them to do Legends... Unless old writers come back and are allowed to do their job as they see fit. As an example Drew Karpyshyn, who wrote popular Darth Bane Trilogy and Revan novel, said that he'd come back to Star Wars only if they allow him to write for the old canon.
The drop in ticket sales is currently up at 77%, which is really ironic and kind of funny considering the original Star Wars film came out over 40yrs ago in 1977.
A Keeper Of Odd Knowledge That is so awesome! I've always wished that I could go back in time to May 25. 1977 and witness Star Wars for the very first time.
Nick Hydier ; I never experienced anything like it! And I was 23 years old and ex-navy...far from being a star struck child. I am usually counter- everything- everybody else-is doing! But I watched it at a matinee showing, not knowing what to expect. It was a weekday and I just got off of my midnight computer room shift. Hardly anyone there at that hour and the movie just opened but hadn't quite caught on yet. A few days later- well the rest is history! I still can't believe how it grabbed me the way it did. I've lived with those characters all these decades. To see SW turn out like this...
It’s simple. I will not accept this new trilogy as my canon. The EU,Episodes 1-6 and Clone Wars animated series is my canon. If people want to enjoy and support this garbage Disney is producing that is completely fine as long as you dictate what I see as canon...
Once upon a time they made Star Wars movies because the wanted to tell a story. Nowadays they want to make Star Wars movies so they have to come up with stories. It's obvious they don't have a clue where they are going with it, and the audience is slowly realizing it.
That is well said, but I still don't get it. They already put MILLIONS and MILLIONS of $ into the production. Why wouldn't they spend a 0,01% of this for a good story? This is literally the cheapest element of the movie. And even when they start designing sets etc, a skilled writer could write 10 good stories set in the same interiors. Why don't they care? It's like they WANT to make crap stories. They have money and people. They CHOOSE not to tell good stories.
I'm thinking that it was swamp gas reflecting the light off of venus, which cause people to some how get blinded and walk into the wrong movie. They were so confused they sat and watched Jumanji instead of Star Wars.
The Last Jedi is made by Disney Committee to be a Kids Movie for CHILDREN. As such, the film maker assumes that the audience is not smart enough or knowledgeable enough to notice plotholes and logic errors. Thus, no fact checking, no lore continuity, no scientific consultation. Thus, Max Kids Stuff, cute animals,childish jokes, more toys, no good guy deaths and an ending kids would like. If you are smarter than a child, you just might be offended and angered by this movie.
As a life long female Sci-Fi fan that has loved Star Wars since I was too young to remember but was told by my parents that I wore out a VHS tapes of IV, I want to say how disgusted I am by the gender politics getting in the way of a good STORY! I never had a problem getting into it just because Luke was a boy. When my friend's at THREE YEARS OLD went out and played Star Wars we never thought "I can't be a Jedi, I'm just a girl!" Princess Leia was my imaginary friend while I was a Jedi that kicked ass to protect her. The idea that females can't get interested without pandering is insulting.
The irony is this people talks about "diversity" but not even one new alien that has a significant roles in this new trilogy. Snoke is dead without clear backstory & Maz is just your cookie cutter product, no more less than a porg. Hell, even snoke looked more like a human playboy owner!
Imagine if the main hero of the new trilogy was a non human! THAT would habe been innovative AND diverse, not this rehash of the original trilogy with added sjw pc characters.
Kathleen Kennedy needs to be fired. this movie was NOT about Star Wars. it was about feminism and New World Order liberalism...and used Star Wars as it's vehicle. it's very sad that big government and Hollywood bubble-PC-group-think has hijacked timeless imagination and whimsy. it has silenced and snuffed out the individual thinking artist. the irony is that the movie tries to be PC and inclusive yet the result is that the movie is prejudice, sexist and exclusive to a small group of people....namely the ass kissing SJW big shots in Hollywood. Star Wars was always a special sacred place to escape all that political garbage. it was something that brought people together with it's common human archetypes. the metaphors were found in aliens, droids, and strange planets. now we are being spoon fed metaphors in purple hair, skin color, and class warfare
I am a 49 yr old guy that saw the original movies in the theatres, had the action figures, bought the VHS, DVD, and Blu Ray sets, as well as video games and about 40 of the books over the years. I feel so sorry for the new fans that will not be able to experience what I felt over the years. Disney had trampled on real story telling in favor of PC BS. I feel really bad for Lucas, who has to be kicking himself. Joseph Campbell would be appalled at this POS attempt at story telling. No more Star Wars for me. RIP
I saw both TFA & TLJ. In the movie, some scenes were dragging out ( Rose & Finn ). I came home, downloaded the movie & decided to watch the next day. .. I found myself, not as entertained, and I only used it as background noise, and eventually turned it off. But, I can sit down and watch ep. III & enjoy it. I dunno, they don't really do it for me, anymore.
I have been making a lot negative comments about TLJ but what really pisses me off is Disney hiring shills. TH-camrs, critics and fully ready shill army commenters. Disney is going back to their World War 2 propagandist roots. They already have a monopoly in Hollywood. Now they want to control our opinions. What the fuck?!
Okay. Yeah that's bullshit. Disney isn't giving money to people who say the movie is good. I fucking loved this film but do I go around proclaiming that all people who didn't like it are wrong and aren't true fans? No. Maybe do the same.
I find it interesting how they blame Christmas Eve falling on a Sunday. It was on the calendar for a very long time. If Disney is so brilliant why didn't they account for all of this before? Good point on the things they might blame if there isn't a significant spike in more sales.
Cori Farnham outside of the sjw part, NO!, that's straight exageration, movie was aight but had bad execution on most scenes. There's a lot of shit like net neutrality that we need to fight instead of sw
I have a theory - (warning, long) The main divisive point in this movie is Luke’s arc. Yes, there are tons of other flaws, but the handling of Luke seems to be primary cause of the great divide among people who either like this film or think it’s garbage. Why do SJWs defend this film so much? Because Luke in TLJ represents them and justifies their ways of thought/actions. To non-extremists, Luke was the epitome of a good guy. He struggled, failed, found his resolve, failed some more, but ultimately succeeded. He was canonized as a man with morals who wouldn’t waiver, would face whatever bleakness with heroic resolve, and refused to be broken. SJWs see his dark turn in this film as normal. So what that he wanted to murder his adolescent nephew in his sleep? Every man is capable of darkness, and perhaps the ends justify the means. (See their history of doxxing, deplatforming, and attempting to ruin adversaries’ real lives). For them, it’s perfectly normal and maybe even expected to go to the dark side so long as you’re the “good guy” and the opposition the enemy. Similarly - liken Luke’s last notable action to their method in the current climate. Rather than physically or personally confront his enemy, in person, and face whatever ramifications face to face ....instead, it’s a visage. Essentially a hollow interpretation of what Luke would/should actually do as he makes his grand exit. His final effort was a social media tirade. It caught everyone’s attention, was captivating in varying ways, but was ultimately empty. A ghost of what a real person could, would, and should do in that situation - especially one such as Luke Skywalker. That’s why us “normies” hate it. Luke is idealized us. He had his failures, overcame them, became a better person for it, and there’s no possible way we could see him, or ourselves, succumbing to such BS and exiting the stage on such a popcorn-fart of a note. To the SJWs....the same applies. They can not only see that happening for themselves, they openly embrace it and applaud it....because it validates their viewpoints, ideology, and often deplorable actions.
that's the problem: the extreme left wing, cultural marxist propaganda takes precedence before the effort into making a genuine good film! George Lucas told them to piss off, when they were pressuring him to include more "diversity" (black characters). He picked Billy Dee Williams to play Lando Calrissian because he thought he was a good actor, NOT because he was black!
Mike Spearwood Lando was added to expand the market for the film, since the audience was predominantly white middle class. It wasn't agenda driven then, beyond making money - and the character is great... but now we have the unholy combination of marketing and ideology: neo-liberal capitalism is a system where you sell the idea not the product, and the consumer becomes your advertising platform. Ghostbusters 2016 was the best example, but it was happening as early as Red Tails.
I really feel sorry for Boyega and Ridley because you can see they're really having a fun time doing Star Wars, that it was like a dream come true to them. And they are given absolutely nothing to work with all while being praised for being "groundbreaking" not because of the strength of the characters they portray but because fate had them be born with a particular set of genitalia or skin color. Do you think they're happy about it, being seen by both sides as this political tool to be used rather than, you know, _actors?_
When I leave the theatre I want to feel good happy excited I don't want to leave the theatre feeling depressed God knows try to go to the theatre to escape the reality we live in .
To me, the most important and impactful scene in Star Wars is the portrayal of the deaths of Luke’s aunt and uncle. Raw skeletons flashed for just the right amount of time as not to fetish the portrayal of such a gruesome death. It set the tone for adults and children that this trilogy universe is real and very dangerous. Disney would never allow for such a stark scene and that is a very notable betrayal in the curation of the star wars universe.
Look what I read on the Forbes website as part of an article : ‘A widespread major backlash against The Last Jedi does not exist. It’s a segment of fandom who can indeed get loud with varying degrees of complaints, but as noted earlier volume doesn’t translate automatically into numerical superiority. There’s no evidence that a majority or even plurality of Star Wars fans have major complaints or criticisms against this movie.’ They may as well have signed it Mickey Mouse.
The truth is Star Wars WAS COMPLETE. In 2005 the final piece of the story was released and it ran it's course. Star Wars HAS ALWAYS BEEN about Anakin Skywalker since at least 1980's Empire Strikes Back. Vader was the central focus in Empire, he was in the later half of Jedi. Don't believe me, well listen to when Yoda is talking to Luke after revealing he is Yoda. First he asks Luke why he wants to be a Jedi, Luke says he wants to be a Jedi like his father. Yoda replies "Powerful Jedi was he, powerful Jedi. Much Anger in him... LIKE HIS FATHER. Then Yoda says for over 800 years he trained Jedi, and on his council whom he was betrayed. Then he says, "this one, a long time I have watched. All HIS life , look away...to the future... to the horizon...never his mind on where HE was, what HE was doing". Again, it's talking about ANAKIN. Star Wars is ANAKIN'S STORY. I just don't understand how NO ONE besides me I guess picked up on it. Even as a kid I knew the series was about Ani when there was only 3 films in existence. This whole continuing the series even though it is done is basically like taking a book that has been out for years and then all of a sudden someone else comes along and adds a completely unnecessary epilogue that has NOTHING to do with the original story at all. That is what these new films are doing.
*Rose's sister* - sacrifices herself to blow the enemy up = Great move! *Vice-Admiral Gender Studies* - sacrifices herself to blow the enemy up = Great move! *Finn* - attempts to sacrifice himself to blow the enemy up = whoa whoa whoa, can't allow a penis-wielding character across the line of heroism; dispatch a woman to stop him, then undermine his motives with: "We don't win by fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love." Funny that same life lesson was not the Fallopian sage watchword of the day when women died under the same circumstances literal minutes beforehand. To say nothing of Rose planting an uninvited kiss on Finn in the process which - let's be honest - if the genders were reversed in this day and age, the feminist outrage on Twitter would go down in oppression-Olympics history. Add to that the slap that Leia is allowed to give Poe with impunity, and the silence from feminists is doubly REAL. Reverse THOSE genders and blue-haired 30 year olds the world over would immediately require decades of therapy. I lean left politically, but I do not seek to reify those beliefs in Star Wars, my fucking god. Can we leave animal rights messaging and - I think I say this rather noncontroversially, even from the director's standpoint - overt supercilious emasculation _out_ of our escapist lowest-common-denominator space operas? Will Ferrell's "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" meme is so devastatingly apt, watching this garbage.
I have been a Star Wars fan since I was about 2 years old, and I believe that Star Wars has left me behind a long time ago and it took this movie to make me realize that. I am encouraging the old Star Wars fans from the beginning who feel alienated by the direction of this series to stop buying tickets for a sub par sinking ship of a product. We don't need to protest, don't need to riot or troll. Just stop buying their sub par product. I believe if The Last Jedi doesn't do the numbers they hope for, Solo tanks and Episode IX does poorly, they will be forced to shelve Star Wars. Like the man said "It's time for the Jedi to end". I couldn't agree more Luke. There are no more reasons to see these movies, why waste my money. Let this be the end of it.
Kathleen Kennedy can be seen wearing a “the force is female” t shirt. The sjw girlpower crap permeates this movie at the expense of credibility. And the movies destruction of Luke and Han and Leah was by design. Wipe out the old and usher in the new. This movie and the last are insulting to the true fans.
Exactly. Why couldn’t Luke’s nephew have been heroic having been trained well by Luke. They still could have had all sorts of drama play out. And it would have been more interesting. And if they wanted girlpower how about giving Leah something better to do.
Funny that they only truly deconstructed Luke and Han though, isn't it?. While Leia, who has yet again lost everything, her son, her husband, her brother, the republic she fought so hard for, is the one left standing. The one that never ran away. Added to that she is even given godlike powers. (of course without any seen training in the force. But she is a woman so she doesn't need it after all :s) It seems to me its more about wiping out male heroes, than anything. And I hate that. And I say that as a female fan that loves Luke Skywalkers character (or at least I used to) To top it all up they replace the main heroes of old, with a Mary Sue. Its frankly insulting. If Disney wants a female main character, at least they should have the decency to write a good one. One that has to work for her achievements. Just like Luke had to. *sighs*
Agree. You can still have super strong women without sacrificing credibility. For example All they needed were some scenes showing Jedi woman training and learning SLOWLY about the force. Not necessary that she be perfect otherwise she is never in jeopardy. Remember Aliens or Terminator 2? Strong women but not perfect and the guys were not all lame. It shouldn’t be that hard to write a decent script unless the writers are all 12 years old
Its been a long time since I saw alien, but I do remember Ripley being awesome. But also human. Rey feels distant to me in some ways. I just can't relate to her. Perhaps because we don't really she her struggles. (Her crying over Ben doesn't count.) I think the writers might be 12 years old, or at least stupid. They seem to think the only way to make a woman strong is to make a man weak. That people that can't write better than this, is put on a 4 billion dollar franchise is beyond me. For me there is no plot left for episode 9 now. We all know Rey will beat Kylo (she always does). The End.
It’s ok To be white Wish people would stop defending this sequel trilogy to the death. Heard so many say, "But what about this guy from the EU? Why aren't they being criticized?" And I keep saying "The character's that have similar or near the same problems as the new ones have", but seemingly that just because as of late there's no attention to the previous content that it's some how being hypocritical when criticizing the new trilogy? Honestly these kinds of responses are too flawed to justify defense of the trilogy. It's like so many are in denial of the new trilogy's failure as star wars continuity.
How do they know the gender and age of people buying movie tickets? I have never took a survey when buying my tickets? So while we are there, how many men put butter on their popcorn as apposed to women?
people who sign up for services like Fandgo & other apps/sites create profiles 75-85% of all tickets are bought online. also computers, tablets and phones all have individual ip addresses that link back to either a gmail account (for Android based products) or icloud (for Apple products), which those emails connect to other things like facebook, twitter & youtube where gender is listed or provided to open an account. The information is there & extremely easy to obtain by big companies who pay the site/app techs which in turn helps keep their products & services remaining in production. Much like companies pay to have their tv commercials ran during the superbowl or whenever they know ratings are going to be their best. Data is everywhere if you got the money.
Funny thing today I went to see the new Jumanji movie and the show I went to go to was sold out(the movie theatre was packed) and the people ahead of me decided to see Pitch Perfect instead even though there was a showing of TLJ scheduled to start only five minutes after the Jumanji showing. As for me I just bought a ticket for a later showing of Jumanji. Shows that when the movie people are going to see is sold out they aren’t choosing TLJ as their second choice they are either going to another second choice or just going to a later showing of their original choice.
might I recommend the Greatest Showman it was entertaining and some of the numbers were stuck in my head after. As far as ratings go It's the complete inverse of TLJ. RT gave it a 53 but the audience score is 90
And ironically, it's about the man who coined the phrase Disney was hoping would apply to the sales of Star Wars! "There's a sucker born every minute!"-P.T. Barnum
It also reminds me about collectibles for Star Wars. It's easy to finds Rey, Finn and other new characters figures at low price, but good luck finding Darth Revan at same low price, because he's actually popular (fans voted for Hasbro to release Revan and Jaina Solo, Anakin's granddaughter from books).
Wasn't it 72% decline for second week sales? It was 80% for BvS for comparison. And if there is no fear of box office fatigue... they wouldn't have bothered writing an article about it.
The last Jedi is the batman vs superman of star wars. Disney claim its a film for intellectuals yet its nothing but boring action. The fans deny any flaws and call you every overused term such as "nazi, sexist" ect
I never thought I would say this but I will not be spending another dime on star wars until emperor kennedy is tossed down a reactor shaft. SJW crapfest! Your right dude, nothing but lame excuses and people saying you need to see it multiple times. WTF? How many times did I see a new hope before I knew I liked it? ONE fucking time!
Today I unsubscribed from comicbookcast2. I also unfollowed them on Facebook. Because they have been performing back flips for this movie. I remember when they use to have balls but now they are absolute shills. And according to some fans since the prequels were bad (I'd personally argue against that but that's neither here nor there right now) we have no excuse to complain about the Last Jedi.....fucking really? That's like saying hey I know Batman vs Superman was a full plate of ass but do you remember Batman and Robin. Be thankful for what you have. Yeah no Last Jedi sucks, deal with it.
I just love how the sequel era apologists will go and say "Hey its not as bad as Jar Jar." and give these movies a free pass. If your only argument is "Hey there's worse out there." it just goes to prove how shitty the product you're defending really is.
@nightwishfan1991 And At the very least Jar Jar didn't ruin moments that had a very serious/high stakes tone. He didn't go and mess with the Obi-wan Maul duel and ruin the scene like Rose did with Finn's sacrifice.
Love the optimism about the China opening too. For the second biggest market in the world the $125 for Force Awakens ain't much money. They actually cast big name Chinese actors in Rogue One to try to get more money and it failed even worse. The Disney Star Wars has been coasting on momentum which had been worn down all ready by the prequels. Nostalgia for getting the original cast together counted for a lot of Force Awakens bucks and that's gone now.
Forbes ran some similar bullshit earlier. I guess everyone is in the Mouse's pocket. It's also interesting how the reverse "TLJ effect" seems be happening with Netflix's Bright.
DVDVAMPIRE01 Great movie, lampshades a shitton of modern tropes. I liked the idea of the orc being a 'diversity hire' yet eventually showing himself to be a strong, and model cop. The ending, also works well to the strength of this world forged in the modern-era legacy of a Tolkien-esq world. Tl; Dr you're right man, these people actually focused on a good movie first
The sad part is they want to be politically correct but insult the "diverse" audiences they attemp to patronize. Because I'm a black man and watching Fin in these movies is cringe worthy at best. The mainstream media is scared of feminist balls .... go figure.
To those people who think the movie is good,ask yourself if it didn't have the name STAR WARS on it ,would you say the same ? I'm ready to bet they would say something quite different. But it's Disney AND Star wars so you know.It can't be bad right ?fUCKING LOGIC. These people makes me sick.The movie is just BAD,not just for a star wars ,just the movie ITSELF is bad since it has bad writting,insane amount of plot holes and unjustified length.
You know what, I think TLJ would actually be better if it WASN'T Star Wars. The idea of a man losing himself to guilt and despair is a good one, but it simply isn't fitting for Luke Skywalker's character. The fans know it and Mark Hamill knows it. They simply chose the wrong character with whom to tackle that kind of story. And of course there's all the Mary Sue crap too so it would probably still be hated by some people, but at least it wouldn't ruin a beloved character and saga.
This was done on purpose: 1. To destroy anything positive and masculine using Star Wars as a vehicle. 2. To create more opportunities for milking money in future shitty episodes. Disney doesn't do things by accident.
Your point about no one wanting to be Poe or Finn or Rey or Kylo or Rose or Purple Hair admiral is a good one. Back in the day, kids envisioned themselves as either Luke or Han or Leia and argued about why they wanted to be that character. Who would want to be ANY of these new uninspiring characters?
Omg guys, let's all go see Jumanji, not because we actually want to of course, but just because it would be hilarious if an undoubtedly shitty movie like Jumanji makes millions more than this somehow more arguably shitty movie with a Star Wars label.
Thank you! It is never good to appeal to a temporary audience who will move on to the next big "shiny" thing. This happens in fandoms all too often and the companies forget who helped to keep their franchises alive. They should not try to appeal to those who won't be there in six months to a year. They should appeal to EVERYONE!
The sad part is that female/minority Star Wars fans like me (Hispanic Democratic female here) who don't approve of the Last Jedi are going to be ignored because we don't fit the SJW narrative (that being that this is an 'alt-right' misogynist issue). Same shit happened with Gamergate where many innocent male gamers were all clumped with the trolls and painted as sexist basement-dwelling pigs. Back then, female gamers attempted to fight back and defend gamers with the #notyourshield phrase against SJW groups. They went ignored. Then the same shit happened with the Ghostbusters Reboot. I remember posting my comment on the trailer, along with others who posted legit criticism. All of our comments got promptly removed. Meanwhile, the troll comments got intentionally left behind. Now it's happening with Star Wars. For a 'progressive' movement that flaunts itself as being the VOICE for people like me, they certainly act like oppressors who have no issue silencing those that don't support their stance, including those they claim to 'defend' or represent. As a woman, I didn't like it when female characters back in the day used to be painted as fragile snowflakes who existed only to elevate its male characters. Today, I don't like it when male characters are painted as incompetent idiots who exist only to elevate its female characters. True equality can only come from capturing the complexity of both sexes and being true to them. In Rey being this over-hyped Mary Sue character, she doesn't tell the world that women can be 'strong'. Rather, she's a one-dimensional caricature of a woman who depends on the emasculation/incompetence of male comrades to be on the top of the food chain. There's no sense of 'social justice' or victory for women by rigging the game in our favor. It's a cheap win that deserves no applause. Characters like Ripley and She-Ra succeeded as female characters back in the day because they weren't afraid to air out their dirty laundry. They were as weak as they were strong. With Ripley, she was a condescending bitch who rubbed even her crew the wrong way. But her survival instinct, core principals, and character development made us root for her. With She-Ra, this iconic character of the 80s began her career as a VILLAIN - a rare story arc even for male hero characters. It's important to note, also, that the films that featured strong female characters prioritized narrative and characterization above gender politics. In fact, gender politics was often the last thing to consider. With a strong enough story and strong enough cast, the audience doesn't need to be hit over the head and told this is a strong female character. Rather, through the ACTIONS and words of that character we can figure it out on our own.
Once Kathleen is forced out of her position after the sure train wrecks that episode 9 and the Han movie will be ,us true Star Wars fans can rejoice and forget about this nightmare...excuse me while I rewatch episodes 1 through 6 again,peace....
That’s true the damage is done and Disney could take the series to another level of absurdity but we still have the original George Lucas films,somethings should be left alone...Peace
Daniel Dosso I didn’t see the opening crawl. Didn’t need it. Basically I looked for the Snoke/Ren/Kylo scene everyone was creaming their pants about. Yawn. Then I found the Superman Leia scene Then found the Rose/Finn rescue I profess my love scene then the Luke/Kylo ‘fight ‘, then found the ‘purple hair jump to light speed finale. That’s it. No porgs or casino scene for me.
On a rating of 1-10 with 10 being the most. I would rate myself a 5 as a starwars “fan”. I don’t have any toys, I don’t have anything related to Starwars other than the ORIGINAL Trilogy on VHS.... Look, I grew up on Starwars. It might not have been the best CGI or effects back then but you was able to sit down and go threw struggles and pain and Success with you characters! You was able to see them grow, fall, and then get back up!!! I will put this as plain as I can. What DISNEY and that woman Kathleen did to LUKE alone is enough for me to NEVER care about a starwars film again. Luke tried to save Darth Vader after all his killings and murders, so you mean to tell me that he was going to cut down a boy in bed with his back turned in his SLEEP!!?? I don’t think so! And after waiting 30 years, I wanted to see how Luke has grown! How he aged with the Force. See him Tear some shit up! Show his true power. Instead Disney gives us a damn hologram and then he dies because he is tired!? That to me was a VERY blatant attack on Luke and males that have supported this franchise from day one! This to me was Disney telling us “ Starwars are no longer for men, it’s for woman and gay males (Kilo Ren) and that if you are masculine you take the BACK SEAT AND DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD (Poe).... I’m done. There is no place for me or my family in this new vision of Starwars. It is now dead to me. It ended at 6... RIP
And still they fail to take into account the fact that Disney starts off 4 billion in the hole to purchase Star Wars/lucas film in the first place. Box office is nothing when they are simply destroying the value of their investment, at this point there are more bad films than good in the series, its not tarnished, its burned. They had one last chance to give the original cast a decent send off since they dragged them back in, and clearly no adults were in the room because they simply trashed their legacy, no one said stop, no one held it back to release "when its done" to protect their investment, instead they went with the transformers route of just winging it, script be damned as long as the special effects houses production lines are kept full, everything is fine. Hamill is still virtue signalling on twitter without a shred of awareness that the people he pushes destroyed his legacy.
The ultimate argument against people who say " Star Wars is good because many people watched it" : "Many people have Aids, but this doesn't mean it's good"
How does Disney expect to milk this shit out without giving the fans what they really want? TLJ is the final straw that broke this classic camel's back. People will just drop this franchise altogether.
In a franchise made by a man, with a male protagonist, and a badass male villain. That has a fanbase that's majority male. ( I am a female fan myself, and we are many. But its pretty obvious there are more men. )A fanbase that has kept this franchise alive for decades. The fanbase that actually gives Star Wars its monetary value. The fanbase Disney paid billions to get their hands on. The stupidity and arrogance of Disney is astounding. *facepalm*
Anwell100 Personally, I believe Star Wars is for everyone. But now these movies seem to be made for no one. At some point we could have had a Mara Jade movie, but Disney took it upon themselves to throw her and all of the EU material out. Now they have absolutely no direction for this franchise. So they just spitball it regardless, knowning idiots will buy their damn tickets anyway.
Sometimes I wish it didn't have star wars in its title to see how well it would actually do. And how the critics wouldn't be so nice to it if it wasn't a disney film
Would suspect only reason Mark Hamill is backtracking on what he said, because he has been intimidated by Disney to do so seems it has happened to some those criticizing new movie on youtube also.
Barzarel same. I am glad Mark felt the same way. He is Luke and he knows Luke, his negative feelings on Luke didn't come from nowhere, they came from a personal place. He literally felt a disturbance in the force lol.
My 13 year old son fell asleep halfway thought this movie. He finally woke up at the ending credits and asked what he had missed, I told him not a damn thing! I work as an airline pilot and pilots are not creative types, but I honestly think I could sit down and come up with a better story than what Disney, Rian Johnson and K Kennedy came up with!
First: I saw the original film in 1977 when I was 12 years old and grew up with the entire franchise Modern Political views: It seems to me that Kennedy and Johnson wanted to make a new Republic comprised of "equality in the force" so that everyone can instantly manipulate the force like a Jedi in this new rebooted galaxy; they killed any Rey origin story arc, and it ain't coming back. This might explain why Johnson got to write and direct episode VIII. Why would they do this? Well, Kennedy hates the idea of class, so there should not be a few select "Jedi Knights" or "Sith Lords" in this Johnson-Kennedy rebooted galaxy. You see, now EVERYONE can manipulate the force, because if not, then the Jedi (or Sith for that matter) would be little better than those "evil rich" people in space Vegas (in Kennedy's worldview anyway). In order to make sure everyone has "equal access" to the force, they had to kill off the idea of the the force being able to be controlled by a select few people like the Jedi and Sith (who have a certain threshold of midichlorians in their bodies). This is evident in the ending scene with the stable boy force pulling the broom into his hands (a task that took Luke some amount of time to do properly). This is why it is so bad for executives to inject current politics into a 40 year old franchise because it necessarily comes at the cost of 1. Destroying existing lore in ham handed ways as was done in TLJ, and 2. Alienating a significant percentage of the fan base. They called it the last Jedi because literally, the Jedi as a part of the lore is effectively dead. Luke was the last one. The First Order is effectively dead as well. The character of Hodo was brought in just to make Poe look like a flyboy with "toxic masculinity". If Dern's character was an actual commander worthy of her salt, she would have told Isaac's character what the plan was in the first place, (he would have went along with it, making the whole side trip to space Vegas unnecessary). Poe was not under arrest, still in the chain of command, and was entitled to know what the heck was going on if for nothing else then to be able execute command intent in case there was another breakdown in the chain of command (as happened earlier with Leia). It's what good commanders do (I am retired AF, so I know a bit about this). Any military officer would have relieved Dern's character of command under similar circumstances. The plan involved logistical considerations which the subordinates had to execute, and it is a pretty good bet that morale was going down quick because folks are watching ships getting blown up left and right and Dern's character doing nothing about it. She was a bonehead, pure and simple. Furthermore, Leia would have never kept the evacuation plan secret from Poe, who hours before (in what was the end of the previous movie) blew up the starkiller base, so I think she could trust him. She sure would not have stunned him before asking him what the heck was going on after waking up from a coma. Nothing Hodo did made any military sense, and she was only written in for, in my opinion, political beliefs that Kennedy espouses (flyboy must be brought down a notch, and the force is female). It is perfectly fine to have strong female characters, but not at the expense of making men look like simpering idiots (which is clearly what Rian Johnson did here). Johnson and Kennedy killed this entire franchise. They killed the lore, the force, the hero's journey, and they murdered the characters of both Luke and Leia. Leia would have never demoted Poe in the first place, because the Dreadnought would have decimated the entire fleet if someone did not take it out, so there would have never been a chance to "run away" in the first place. Given all of these pesky facts, it is hard to fathom why Johnson would have thrown this whole Poe demotion canard together in the first place, because it sure as heck was not good story telling or sane military decisions by the characters
Kennedy hates class? She thinks her personal net worth of ~$150+ million doesn't equate to class? LOL. I, too, saw the originals as they were released.
I went in with ONE expectation. That Rey’s Mary Sue status be revoked with an awesome backstory. This movie was so bad it took me eleven hours to get back to that topic and realize that NOPE! She was to remain a Mary Sue and we were expect to swallow it like so much green milk! Heroes don’t struggle anymore. That’s a reflection of this generation; the most spoiled people in history.
The fangirls are more stupid thinking Reylo, the cringiest theory in all of Star Wars, is canon. Ever since that scene where Kylo is shirtless, fangirls everywhere are trying to find reasons on why Reylo will happen. Now this will blow your minds, my dear fangirls, so bear with me and it'll be a lot to take in but maybe, just maybe... He got out of the shower or was simply changing clothes.
Mr. Cuddlesworth im willing to bet with you they are going to end as a couple, at this point why the fuck not, the trilogy is fucking dead, at least they would go out with on last fuck you to the fans
Mr. Cuddlesworth women don't matter in Star Wars. Sorry but it's sill 98% male and women just don't have the passion for it as we do. That's life. Just like men don't care about Oprah
Apple Bee And that's what pisses me off even more. I remember when Twilight first came out, my sister was obsessed with it from the first movie to the last. And when Jacob appeared, and because my name is Jacob, people made jokes about me relating to that werewolf in Twilight at school, and it triggered me so god damn much.
Wow. Just accept that there are people that don’t like it. I mean there are good movies every year, and there are bad movies every year. Many seem to put this film in the bad movie category. Just how it is.
Jared Wignall Damn I wish Justice League could’ve gotten all these excuses from media and fans alike but us DC fans have a little sense of objectivity..
Lil_Tex I agree with you pal. It sucks what they did with Luke. Luke was my favorite character in Star Wars, and I hate what they've done to him. Though I and many others have pointed out how shit it was for the way they treated him in this. Hell, I was talking about how fucking shit that was with The Force Awakens. Even before we found out the shitty reason why he ran away from everything, we hear his nephew went to the dark side and then went into hiding. But now, it just sucks even harder. And then in this film Luke wonders how they found him, despite the last film saying he left a map with pieces missing, so there's a continuity mistake or character error or just plain fuck up right there. Though my comment is supposed to encapsulate Luke, but I wanted to keep it as short and simple as I could. I've left some comments on other videos of there's in more detail about how awful they handled Luke. Just thought I'd take a different approach instead of basically saying the same thing.
A lot the people buying tickets and seeing Star Wars movies ain't real fans, they are just jumping on the bandwagon. When the base is removed, the building will fall. I have been a fan all my life. I have seen every movie, I have seen every episode of Clone Wars, Rebel's hell even the Christmas Special. But I will not see Han Solo and I will not see Ep 9. You can't kill Star Wars for me, but what we are seeing now isn't Star Wars. In my mind, the EU is still cannon and this is just a bad dream.
Want to make a real statement? STOP BUYING STAR WARS TICKETS. When the Han Solo movie comes out DONT GO SEE IT when episode 9 comes out DONT GO SEE IT. Dont "have an open mind" "give the movie a chance" DONT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY. As long as they keep making money they dont care about you. They are perfectly content and telling you that you aren't welcome that you aren't shit that you are nothing while they take your money YOU KEEP GIVING THEM.
There is this myth that they are "winning new fans." They are not. My 5 nephews, aged 6-10, made fun of the movie and thought Luke was a wimp and "died like a stinky fart." They are also at the age that they don't like girls, so Rey is not a hero to them. They seem to only like Kylo Ren. The bad guy! The Star Wars fan-line, like the Skywalker bloodline in the story, died with TLJ. Also lost a long time fan...me.
When agenda trumps good, original writing, it usually becomes apparent. Look at the disaster that was Sense 8. Most audiences recognize the condescension and manipulation, be it direct or indirect. I ended up hating The Force Awakens for that reason...and the utterly lazy writing and poorly implemented Han Solo death scene). I still haven't seen Last Jedi for fear that I will be disappointed and angry like many seem to be about this film.
Ernest Hemingway That's a great idea. I'll pay for a good movie that I've already seen and walk into Last Jedi. Disney already got my money for the atrocity of The Force Awakens so this would only be fair. However, I gotta admit that after the two weeks since it was released, I'm no longer as interested in seeing it. Maybe I'll just skip it.
Oh God, Sense 8. I should have been wary when one of the characters was trans, I should have been worried when the Korean girl was framed by her own father for the crime her brother did, but it took the gay telepathic orgy for me to wonder what the actual fuck I was watching and stop. Add that the show was painfully slow and boring (I remember only one exciting scene in all the episodes I watched).
to be totally honest, I sometimes wish i never saw the last jedi. The one and only pro about having seen it is that I now know beyond all doubt that star wars is dead and disney killed it. Also yeah in both TFA and ESPECIALLY TLJ I got a STRONG sense of the film talking down to the audience, like we're all a bunch of monkeys with an IQ of 70. TLJ I thought was OBSCENE.
TLJ alienated mainstream SW fans, by making a movie that dishonors the characters, ignores canon and ignores historical demands upon those characters. The 54 percent of approving audiences are the average movie watcher who'd be entertained by ANY movie, regardless of how good or bad it is. That's who TLJ was made for. The PROBLEM, is that long-time SW fans are the OTHER 46 PERCENT OF THE AUDIENCE WHO WERE ALIENATED by this awful tragedy, AND REFUSE TO GO SEE THIS MOVIE AGAIN. Rian et al ruined the nature of the most beloved sci-fi character in history, and backlash has been monumental for it. The 46 percent of audiences who are so pissed are the ones who WOULD HAVE gone to see TLJ...2....5.....7....10 times.....but THEY WON'T, because they're rightly OUTRAGED at how Luke was treated, how his personality was entirely inverted, and a host of other failures and stupid oversights that could only have come from directors and producers who ARE NOT FANS OF SW, and view it as a stratagem on how to just make money. Disney wanted to """subvert expectations"""........well I bet they didn't intend to subvert their hope TLJ would make 1.5 billion. I'll be surprised if it makes 820 million, just a bit more than half of what they hoped. Bastards. My journey with Star Wars came to an absolute end when TLJ was over. SW is dead and gone, and there is nothing they can do to make it right again.
I seen allot of videos about this topic, but you, my friend, you have said it perfectly. You nailed it. Job well done, thank you for your videos of 2017... can't wait to get more in the new year!! Bee safe, have fun, rock on!
Disney Star Wars in a nutshell 2015: Real sets and Practical effects. 2016: Death Star and Darth Vader. 2017: Subversion of your (if you had any) expectations.
I predict that Star Wars is about to follow the same cycle of the Star Trek franchise: Insanely schizophrenic and lazy script writing by the studios which led to fan made films that were MUCH BETTER than the studio product, followed by the studios launching a campaign of lawfare on said fanbase, to eliminate any competition to their own piss poor product. So now the Star Trek franchise is dead, stick a fork in it. The fans are going to start making some Star Wars content with impressive production values to create content that fans want, and to reject the swill that the SJW crowd in Hollyweird is producing. Then Disney shall "release the lawyers", litigating their fanbase into submission. Finally, with another incomprehensibly bad script, the fans will just stop caring at all about Star Wars. Then it will be "Mission Accomplished" for the SJW's: Another piece of Americana destroyed.
They already have made #StarWarsNotStarWars, but you need to read to find it. Nick Cole & Jason Anspach's "Galaxy Edge" series does it for those who want more war in their Star Wars. More mysticism, space pirates, and such? Brian Niemeier's Soul Cycle series, starting with Nethereal. More authors are getting in on that action, and a lot are indie authors; I wrote such a story for the PulpRev Sampler. All books are at Amazon, Kindle section, and many are in print also. But if you're wanting film and TV alternatives, GO EAST! Japan's been doing that for decades, with wild success. Beyond the Macross and Gundam franchises, you have Tytania and Legend of the Galactic Heroes for the purest Space Opera. (The latter is truly pure, and the original novels are available in English now.) Other shows and films blend Space Opera with other elements to varying degrees; find something you like and go with it.
Perfectly said my friend. The only new Star Wars movie I liked was Rogue One and for that reason, it's because it was in between part 3 and 4 and it fit in with the original stories. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are and will always be big loads of crap and Return of The Jedi will always be the real true ending movie to the franchise for me unless George Lucas takes over again. I know the books have more stories besides the movies but I never have had the time to sit and read them and I bet there great, but for now I just love the original movies more including Rogue One and that's it.
the books are hit and miss for every thwran trilogy you get a crystal star or the palpatine clone saga.some of the EU is great but a good chunk is utter trash.
If you look at past performance of Star Wars films, it is the worst drop of any of them. Star Wars itself actually increased viewers in 2nd and 3rd weeks. Empire saw a small drop in the 2nd week and increased in the 3rd. The prequels all had a minimal drop in the 2nd week and a larger one in the third. That even applied to the horrendous Clone Wars.
No he shouldn't. As someone who is supposedly a male feminist, his biggest act was taking the one actual force trained female character with any ability, who was not a Mary Sue, namely Ahsoka, (who was trained in saber use by her mentor Plo Koon, the number three saber user in the Jedi), and who killed 6 Mandalorians with one move, defeated Cad Bane, fought Asaj and Grevious to standstills as a young girl; somehow she lost to a man in saber combat whose biggest martial claim to fame is killing children, old men, and basic rebel soldiers. I don't see how he would serve either Kennedy's feminist, man-hating agenda, or a fans expectation of bringing balance back to the force, when he single handedly destroyed a fan favorite character, and all the good will he earned with the Clone Wars, by his work on Rebels under the new Disney regime. Too be fair though, it's difficult to say whether the blame for Ahsoka and Rebels lays squarely with him, or, considering recent on screen developments, Disney is the real culprit.
Uhhh one of Anakin's achievements include besting Dooku. a master of Form II Makashi the premier dueling form which he then started to utilize after he put on the suit. Stop crying cuz Ahsoka lost its okay sheesh.
Lancer Ace Filoni is nothing more than a Kennedy puppet. He has mocked and ridiculed EU fans when he was outed as an EU know-nothing after having claimed that he was an EU fan at a convention. He has little to no respect for things like the EU and only brought back characters like Thrawn into his little show _'Rebels',_ not cause he likes the EU but, cause he was trying to trick EU fans who walked away from the show, into coming back and help boost weak, low and declining viewership. Not to mention, when he was accused by fans of messing up the continuity of SW, he tried to justify himself by saying that Lucas once told him that, _"Continuity is for wimps"._ This so-called "quote" has never been verified or substantiated and yet, he tried to pass it off as a valid quote. If what he said was true, why did Lucas and Lucasfilm spend *_decades_* trying to keep all of the SW universe cohesive and... *_in continuity?_* The guy is full of Bantha crap and is nothing more than a Ten Gallon hat wearing "Yes-man" to the Di$ney/Kennedyfilm "powers that be". He has no business heading anything, least of all Lucasfilm.
Filoni is far from perfect though. As was stated here he isn't very good at keeping continuity. When he was working on Clone Wars, while the show had awesome stuff about it, he'd be making changes or mistakes that different EU writers had to patch up later.
Watch them eventually get to the audience is too homophobic, or hates the film cause of the strong female leads. I predict they will do the exact same BS that they said back when the Ghostbuster's movie was not being seen or something that extent. Which will eventually just turn to them attacking the real fans that are not going to see it in the first place and turn them away from them for good. It will not hurt them really until they lose lots of money or have a drastic drop in the amount of people going to see it world wide. Yet for it being Disney that owns it now when that does happen I predict them to still stick with the narrative they are working on and just change Star Wars to direct to home video sequels like it does with most all of its property. Because after all Disney is known for spreading the Princess syndrome around the world. How many sword swinging ass kicking Princes do they have in all their stories - only around 2. Disney is highly built on telling romance stories with a young female character at the center of it where the whole world revolves around them. Now having them tell a story that I have rarely seen from Disney itself is unlikely. Now if the team at Pixar had the ability to make a Star Wars movie it would be far better than the crap coming out of the Disney studio at this moment as that team can tell a story.
Andrew Dale they should've just said "hey Pixar! Do something good with this. Let me know when you're done." And proceed to hand them the keys to the falcon.
The total production budget including advertising cost for The Last Jedi was 800 million dollars. So as of now the film has broke even. It needs to gross a lot more money to be considered a success by Disney executives.
You are forgetting that Disney only gets part of the revenue with the rest going to theatre owners. Even by the most optimistic approach, it needs 1 billion dollars to break even and much more to be considered success.
Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Kennedy the insane?
I thought not...It's not a story Disney would tell you.
LOSERoftheRoundtable Kathleen Kennedy: boss executive of Lucas Films.
Its ironic isn't it. She could save other careers from death but not her own.
Jaymes of Demacia this is fantastic!
"She could manipulate the board of directors to create...trash" Is it possible to learn this trash? "Sure, here's JJ's number"
Jaymes of Demacia lmao
4:36 If you need multiple viewings to understand The Last Jedi it is not because the movie is intellectual, it is because it is incoherent.
and of coarse JeremyJahns didnt even have the balls to give TLJ an actual score, he used that exact excuse of needing to watch a second time to make it 'fair'
Matt Allen He explained in detail why he did that.
Exactly. I went out of force awakens with a complete understanding of everything that happened. Last jedi was confusing at times
And books! There another YT channel (JoeShow if I'm not wrong) that gave a bad review/made a rant of the 10 things they hated and now did a second video after seeing the movie 2 more times (WTF?) retracting what was said in the first film bc he bought some dictionary for TLJ. WHAT???!!! According to one user, his channel is really owned by a Disney subsidiary. 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Everyone needs to chill. In Episode 9 It turns out Kylo is Reys Fathers Brothers Nephews Cousins former roommate. It's going to epic
Jynx97 Chumps
Jynx97 ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
John McNamara, No Spoilers! Lol
John McNamara
Lmfao😂😂😂
He-he-he...that was great.
John McNamara awesome spaceballs reference. A way better movie than last jedi 👍🏻
They even wanna throw Mark Hamilll under the bus, he did the best he could and said his concerns they didnt listen
The whole point of this trilogy is for Luke to die and Rey to replace him. That's the goal of the trilogy.
I was a huge Star Wars fan. Toys, comics, drinking glasses, bedsheets, and lunchbox. I loved the experience of being taken to a long time ago in a galaxy far away. The Last Jedi made me not want to be a fan anymore. The joy was gone all of a sudden. The film made me not want to go see the Solo film. The Last Jedi made me not care about Star Wars anymore, and that truly breaks my heart.
Eric Lincoln I feel the same way ! I'm a die hard Star Wars fan , I loved the original trilogy and the prequels , when Disney bought the franchise I cringed , now it has come to pass , Star Wars is ruined and beyond the point of no return , I'll not spend a dime to see these pile of shit Disney calls Star Wars , I'm done with this bullshit , !
Same thing happened to me. I’ve been a fan since I was literally 2 years old in 1978, and I walked out of that theater feeling like I got punched in the stomach after watching somebody kick my puppy.
You don't have to quit being a Star Wars fan. Just do like I do, tell yourself the movies ended after The Return of the Jedi. And if you want to keep going with the story? Seek out the Expanded Universe stuff. Disney Wars are not Canon, it's fan fiction. I think the worst part of these new movies are the total destruction of the legacy of the characters created by the original films. And that's something that can't be corrected. H. Ford and M. Hamil will never come back to do another remake, and C. Fisher is dead. But like I said, you don't have to stop being a Star Wars fan. Just ignore all of this new bullshit.
Exactly. This seems to be a love it or hate it movie but for those that didn't like its "we're so clever subverting audience expectations" and its "the past doesn't matter" message its so bad its killed Star Wars for them. Doing things like turning Luke into whatever that thing was then killing him and fundamentally changing the force from what it has been for 6+ movies and hundreds of books has ruined Star Wars forever.
First STD, now this. Ugh
I've to say this film got me hooked on gender politics. Before I didn't care much about SJW or feminism, now I hate it with a passion.
S. Tzim have you discovered Bearing or Sargon of Akkad?
S. Tzim me two! Hahahaha, is so nice to be able to laugh again after the horrors of TFA and TLJ! Thank you!
"Only delusional People see themselves as Rey." Beautiful.
As one of the few people that do like Rey, why 'delusional' people? I'd argue that Rey isn't a perfect character as she still becomes a hostage like she did in the last film, she criesa and has denial problems, she gets rescued by kylo ren and Luke Skywalker. I usually identify and follow character in the previous films, in the prequels it's Obi Wan, in the originals it's Luke and yes the sequels it is Rey. However I don't actually think I am these characters in real life, I do only to enhance my experience. However I do agree with you on one thing...
Rey's heroes journey is misconstrued. I don't like how they handled the mystery of Rey's parents or how they've managed to explain her power. Yes she still needs to be taught but I agree that the last jedi is making it hard for me to find.....problems with her character other than it being handled by Rian Johnson. I'm interested to see how they will fix the problems in The Last Jedi in the last episode.
I feel bad for Mark Hamill he wanted the same out of Luke Skywalker as the rest of us normal people and when he tried to speak out about it Disney went full on North Korea censorship on him. Mickey Mouse sneaks up behind me and then proceeds to stab me multiple times in the neck.
They bitch slapped him harder than they did Luke.
Ever heard of a contract?
It’s time for Disney Star Wars....to end
I would have demanded them to continue Legends timeline, but after TFA and TLJ I'm not sure if I'd let them to do Legends... Unless old writers come back and are allowed to do their job as they see fit.
As an example Drew Karpyshyn, who wrote popular Darth Bane Trilogy and Revan novel, said that he'd come back to Star Wars only if they allow him to write for the old canon.
The drop in ticket sales is currently up at 77%, which is really ironic and kind of funny considering the original Star Wars film came out over 40yrs ago in 1977.
Nick Hydier life is full of amusing ironies
Blair Yes, that is very true. Some are more amusing than others.
Nick Hydier ; I remember. I was there!
What a time to be alive!
A Keeper Of Odd Knowledge That is so awesome! I've always wished that I could go back in time to May 25. 1977 and witness Star Wars for the very first time.
Nick Hydier ; I never experienced anything like it! And I was 23 years old and ex-navy...far from being a star struck child. I am usually counter- everything- everybody else-is doing! But I watched it at a matinee showing, not knowing what to expect. It was a weekday and I just got off of my midnight computer room shift. Hardly anyone there at that hour and the movie just opened but hadn't quite caught on yet.
A few days later- well the rest is history! I still can't believe how it grabbed me the way it did. I've lived with those characters all these decades. To see SW turn out like this...
It’s simple. I will not accept this new trilogy as my canon.
The EU,Episodes 1-6 and Clone Wars animated series is my canon.
If people want to enjoy and support this garbage Disney is producing that is completely fine as long as you dictate what I see as canon...
AMEN
Once upon a time they made Star Wars movies because the wanted to tell a story. Nowadays they want to make Star Wars movies so they have to come up with stories. It's obvious they don't have a clue where they are going with it, and the audience is slowly realizing it.
But they always wanted to make money. And they did - by creating great movies. Why won't they do it again?
That is well said, but I still don't get it. They already put MILLIONS and MILLIONS of $ into the production. Why wouldn't they spend a 0,01% of this for a good story? This is literally the cheapest element of the movie. And even when they start designing sets etc, a skilled writer could write 10 good stories set in the same interiors. Why don't they care? It's like they WANT to make crap stories. They have money and people. They CHOOSE not to tell good stories.
I'm thinking that it was swamp gas reflecting the light off of venus, which cause people to some how get blinded and walk into the wrong movie. They were so confused they sat and watched Jumanji instead of Star Wars.
The Last Jedi is made by Disney Committee to be a Kids Movie for CHILDREN.
As such, the film maker assumes that the audience is not smart enough or knowledgeable enough
to notice plotholes and logic errors. Thus, no fact checking, no lore continuity, no
scientific consultation. Thus, Max Kids Stuff, cute animals,childish jokes, more toys,
no good guy deaths and an ending kids would like. If you are smarter than a child,
you just might be offended and angered by this movie.
nice reference xD
Thank you =c) Been a while was hoping I didn't mangle it too badly.
The comedy in it reminded me more of Spaceballs.
problem is they think the masses are idiots..remember kid movies back in the 70's- 80's didnt assume kids were idiots
As a life long female Sci-Fi fan that has loved Star Wars since I was too young to remember but was told by my parents that I wore out a VHS tapes of IV, I want to say how disgusted I am by the gender politics getting in the way of a good STORY! I never had a problem getting into it just because Luke was a boy. When my friend's at THREE YEARS OLD went out and played Star Wars we never thought "I can't be a Jedi, I'm just a girl!" Princess Leia was my imaginary friend while I was a Jedi that kicked ass to protect her. The idea that females can't get interested without pandering is insulting.
Precisely. If they want a feminist sci-fi story they should write their own.
The irony is this people talks about "diversity" but not even one new alien that has a significant roles in this new trilogy. Snoke is dead without clear backstory & Maz is just your cookie cutter product, no more less than a porg. Hell, even snoke looked more like a human playboy owner!
Croz Raven Yeah what was the deal with that robe?! Lol
Imagine if the main hero of the new trilogy was a non human! THAT would habe been innovative AND diverse, not this rehash of the original trilogy with added sjw pc characters.
He just slipped into something comfortable for Rey.
Yeah I call him Darth Hefner
neosildrake I Would've liked seeing ashoka
RIP Star Wars
Kathleen Kennedy needs to be fired. this movie was NOT about Star Wars. it was about feminism and New World Order liberalism...and used Star Wars as it's vehicle. it's very sad that big government and Hollywood bubble-PC-group-think has hijacked timeless imagination and whimsy. it has silenced and snuffed out the individual thinking artist. the irony is that the movie tries to be PC and inclusive yet the result is that the movie is prejudice, sexist and exclusive to a small group of people....namely the ass kissing SJW big shots in Hollywood. Star Wars was always a special sacred place to escape all that political garbage. it was something that brought people together with it's common human archetypes. the metaphors were found in aliens, droids, and strange planets. now we are being spoon fed metaphors in purple hair, skin color, and class warfare
Well said.
I well not see "SOLO" and Disney will not see a Dime from me or my Family after pulling that Last Jedi trash on us.
The part that dazzles me is why would they make a Han Solo prequel after killing him off in a stupid way?
Good for you dude.
suemorphplus2009 It should be about young Solo tbh there is premise on that BUT...I will boycott any SW movie ever!
suemorphplus2009 Because they know that Han Solo toys actually sell and they are trying to invite you back.
I am a 49 yr old guy that saw the original movies in the theatres, had the action figures, bought the VHS, DVD, and Blu Ray sets, as well as video games and about 40 of the books over the years. I feel so sorry for the new fans that will not be able to experience what I felt over the years. Disney had trampled on real story telling in favor of PC BS. I feel really bad for Lucas, who has to be kicking himself. Joseph Campbell would be appalled at this POS attempt at story telling. No more Star Wars for me. RIP
That's how I feel too.
I saw both TFA & TLJ.
In the movie, some scenes were dragging out ( Rose & Finn ). I came home, downloaded the movie & decided to watch the next day. .. I found myself, not as entertained, and I only used it as background noise, and eventually turned it off.
But, I can sit down and watch ep. III & enjoy it.
I dunno, they don't really do it for me, anymore.
If they lie to you about a movie, what else are the lying about?
Oy vey
The Last Jedi was practically Domestic Terrorism.
TinFoil Hatz actually propaganda designed to weaken families and young men is actual terrorism, communist stuff.
After this movie, I've cut myself off from the Force.
S4ns you mean the Farce.
Open yourself to the Force and buy someone the Thrawn trilogy
Embrace the dark side...
*ignites lightsaber*
The pills match the lightsabers...
I have been making a lot negative comments about TLJ but what really pisses me off is Disney hiring shills. TH-camrs, critics and fully ready shill army commenters. Disney is going back to their World War 2 propagandist roots. They already have a monopoly in Hollywood. Now they want to control our opinions. What the fuck?!
Okay. Yeah that's bullshit. Disney isn't giving money to people who say the movie is good. I fucking loved this film but do I go around proclaiming that all people who didn't like it are wrong and aren't true fans? No. Maybe do the same.
LOSERoftheRoundtable "Darth Vader will start a dance club."
Funny enough, in the new Disney canon, Vader actually danced at a party.
LOSERoftheRoundtable th-cam.com/video/Y2-brLHihlg/w-d-xo.html
I'm fucking serious
I find it interesting how they blame Christmas Eve falling on a Sunday. It was on the calendar for a very long time. If Disney is so brilliant why didn't they account for all of this before? Good point on the things they might blame if there isn't a significant spike in more sales.
Patrick Mo calendars? Those are just artifacts of an oppressive patriarchy,
You could not have said it better. Everyone needs to hear this video
Cori Farnham outside of the sjw part, NO!, that's straight exageration, movie was aight but had bad execution on most scenes. There's a lot of shit like net neutrality that we need to fight instead of sw
I have a theory - (warning, long)
The main divisive point in this movie is Luke’s arc. Yes, there are tons of other flaws, but the handling of Luke seems to be primary cause of the great divide among people who either like this film or think it’s garbage.
Why do SJWs defend this film so much? Because Luke in TLJ represents them and justifies their ways of thought/actions. To non-extremists, Luke was the epitome of a good guy. He struggled, failed, found his resolve, failed some more, but ultimately succeeded. He was canonized as a man with morals who wouldn’t waiver, would face whatever bleakness with heroic resolve, and refused to be broken. SJWs see his dark turn in this film as normal. So what that he wanted to murder his adolescent nephew in his sleep? Every man is capable of darkness, and perhaps the ends justify the means. (See their history of doxxing, deplatforming, and attempting to ruin adversaries’ real lives). For them, it’s perfectly normal and maybe even expected to go to the dark side so long as you’re the “good guy” and the opposition the enemy.
Similarly - liken Luke’s last notable action to their method in the current climate. Rather than physically or personally confront his enemy, in person, and face whatever ramifications face to face ....instead, it’s a visage. Essentially a hollow interpretation of what Luke would/should actually do as he makes his grand exit. His final effort was a social media tirade. It caught everyone’s attention, was captivating in varying ways, but was ultimately empty. A ghost of what a real person could, would, and should do in that situation - especially one such as Luke Skywalker.
That’s why us “normies” hate it. Luke is idealized us. He had his failures, overcame them, became a better person for it, and there’s no possible way we could see him, or ourselves, succumbing to such BS and exiting the stage on such a popcorn-fart of a note. To the SJWs....the same applies. They can not only see that happening for themselves, they openly embrace it and applaud it....because it validates their viewpoints, ideology, and often deplorable actions.
Luke has zero logic first he wants to kill his troubled nephew then he wants to just hide after he turned him to the dark side?
Luke was the nerdy guy who got beat up and got better.
Finn and Ray had incredible _potential_ as characters. Diversity wouldn't matter if they wrote a good story.
Mike C those two sucked ass cheeks even before
that's the problem: the extreme left wing, cultural marxist propaganda takes precedence before the effort into making a genuine good film!
George Lucas told them to piss off, when they were pressuring him to include more "diversity" (black characters). He picked Billy Dee Williams to play Lando Calrissian because he thought he was a good actor, NOT because he was black!
Mike Spearwood
Lando was added to expand the market for the film, since the audience was predominantly white middle class. It wasn't agenda driven then, beyond making money - and the character is great...
but now we have the unholy combination of marketing and ideology: neo-liberal capitalism is a system where you sell the idea not the product, and the consumer becomes your advertising platform.
Ghostbusters 2016 was the best example, but it was happening as early as Red Tails.
I don't like being pandered to. A female lead is fine but "girl power " is so 1990s.
I really feel sorry for Boyega and Ridley because you can see they're really having a fun time doing Star Wars, that it was like a dream come true to them. And they are given absolutely nothing to work with all while being praised for being "groundbreaking" not because of the strength of the characters they portray but because fate had them be born with a particular set of genitalia or skin color. Do you think they're happy about it, being seen by both sides as this political tool to be used rather than, you know, _actors?_
Star Wars episode 9: The search for more money.
TLJ is like Michael Bay's Star Wars. Tone deaf, with inappropriate humor, and humiliating its main character (milking alien's tits).
Nice space ball sequel finally came out lol
When I leave the theatre I want to feel good happy excited I don't want to leave the theatre feeling depressed God knows try to go to the theatre to escape the reality we live in .
danny christlieb never felt so disappointed and depressed with a movie before. I wanted to slap Rian Johnson right at the end of of the movie
To me, the most important and impactful scene in Star Wars is the portrayal of the deaths of Luke’s aunt and uncle. Raw skeletons flashed for just the right amount of time as not to fetish the portrayal of such a gruesome death. It set the tone for adults and children that this trilogy universe is real and very dangerous.
Disney would never allow for such a stark scene and that is a very notable betrayal in the curation of the star wars universe.
The moment when Anakin holds Shmi as she dies.
Darth Mickey would never have the guts to show something like that.
Space Balls had a better plot and characters than anything Disney shits out
Matt Allen Howard the Duck too.
Look what I read on the Forbes website as part of an article : ‘A widespread major backlash against The Last Jedi does not exist. It’s a segment of fandom who can indeed get loud with varying degrees of complaints, but as noted earlier volume doesn’t translate automatically into numerical superiority. There’s no evidence that a majority or even plurality of Star Wars fans have major complaints or criticisms against this movie.’ They may as well have signed it Mickey Mouse.
The truth is Star Wars WAS COMPLETE. In 2005 the final piece of the story was released and it ran it's course.
Star Wars HAS ALWAYS BEEN about Anakin Skywalker since at least 1980's Empire Strikes Back. Vader was the central focus in Empire, he was in the later half of Jedi. Don't believe me, well listen to when Yoda is talking to Luke after revealing he is Yoda. First he asks Luke why he wants to be a Jedi, Luke says he wants to be a Jedi like his father. Yoda replies "Powerful Jedi was he, powerful Jedi. Much Anger in him... LIKE HIS FATHER. Then Yoda says for over 800 years he trained Jedi, and on his council whom he was betrayed. Then he says, "this one, a long time I have watched. All HIS life , look away...to the future... to the horizon...never his mind on where HE was, what HE was doing". Again, it's talking about ANAKIN. Star Wars is ANAKIN'S STORY.
I just don't understand how NO ONE besides me I guess picked up on it. Even as a kid I knew the series was about Ani when there was only 3 films in existence.
This whole continuing the series even though it is done is basically like taking a book that has been out for years and then all of a sudden someone else comes along and adds a completely unnecessary epilogue that has NOTHING to do with the original story at all. That is what these new films are doing.
Gender Wars: The Last Snowflake (spoiler)
Luke Soywalker dies
*Rose's sister* - sacrifices herself to blow the enemy up = Great move!
*Vice-Admiral Gender Studies* - sacrifices herself to blow the enemy up = Great move!
*Finn* - attempts to sacrifice himself to blow the enemy up = whoa whoa whoa, can't allow a penis-wielding character across the line of heroism; dispatch a woman to stop him, then undermine his motives with: "We don't win by fighting what we hate, but by saving what we love." Funny that same life lesson was not the Fallopian sage watchword of the day when women died under the same circumstances literal minutes beforehand. To say nothing of Rose planting an uninvited kiss on Finn in the process which - let's be honest - if the genders were reversed in this day and age, the feminist outrage on Twitter would go down in oppression-Olympics history. Add to that the slap that Leia is allowed to give Poe with impunity, and the silence from feminists is doubly REAL. Reverse THOSE genders and blue-haired 30 year olds the world over would immediately require decades of therapy. I lean left politically, but I do not seek to reify those beliefs in Star Wars, my fucking god. Can we leave animal rights messaging and - I think I say this rather noncontroversially, even from the director's standpoint - overt supercilious emasculation _out_ of our escapist lowest-common-denominator space operas? Will Ferrell's "I feel like I'm taking crazy pills" meme is so devastatingly apt, watching this garbage.
Too obvious. 2/10. Would not troll again.
memoryhero I heart this gd comment so hard.
Mike Richard I do not think you know how to read.
actually vice admiral gender studies broke every rule of how hyper space works so not a great move.
I have been a Star Wars fan since I was about 2 years old, and I believe that Star Wars has left me behind a long time ago and it took this movie to make me realize that. I am encouraging the old Star Wars fans from the beginning who feel alienated by the direction of this series to stop buying tickets for a sub par sinking ship of a product. We don't need to protest, don't need to riot or troll. Just stop buying their sub par product. I believe if The Last Jedi doesn't do the numbers they hope for, Solo tanks and Episode IX does poorly, they will be forced to shelve Star Wars. Like the man said "It's time for the Jedi to end". I couldn't agree more Luke. There are no more reasons to see these movies, why waste my money. Let this be the end of it.
Amen ! I hear ya
Kathleen Kennedy can be seen wearing a “the force is female” t shirt. The sjw girlpower crap permeates this movie at the expense of credibility. And the movies destruction of Luke and Han and Leah was by design. Wipe out the old and usher in the new. This movie and the last are insulting to the true fans.
It really reveals the motives of Kennedy. The Force is neither male or female.
Exactly. Why couldn’t Luke’s nephew have been heroic having been trained well by Luke. They still could have had all sorts of drama play out. And it would have been more interesting. And if they wanted girlpower how about giving Leah something better to do.
Funny that they only truly deconstructed Luke and Han though, isn't it?. While Leia, who has yet again lost everything, her son, her husband, her brother, the republic she fought so hard for, is the one left standing. The one that never ran away. Added to that she is even given godlike powers. (of course without any seen training in the force. But she is a woman so she doesn't need it after all :s)
It seems to me its more about wiping out male heroes, than anything. And I hate that. And I say that as a female fan that loves Luke Skywalkers character (or at least I used to)
To top it all up they replace the main heroes of old, with a Mary Sue. Its frankly insulting. If Disney wants a female main character, at least they should have the decency to write a good one. One that has to work for her achievements. Just like Luke had to. *sighs*
Agree. You can still have super strong women without sacrificing credibility. For example All they needed were some scenes showing Jedi woman training and learning SLOWLY about the force. Not necessary that she be perfect otherwise she is never in jeopardy. Remember Aliens or Terminator 2? Strong women but not perfect and the guys were not all lame. It shouldn’t be that hard to write a decent script unless the writers are all 12 years old
Its been a long time since I saw alien, but I do remember Ripley being awesome. But also human. Rey feels distant to me in some ways. I just can't relate to her. Perhaps because we don't really she her struggles. (Her crying over Ben doesn't count.)
I think the writers might be 12 years old, or at least stupid. They seem to think the only way to make a woman strong is to make a man weak. That people that can't write better than this, is put on a 4 billion dollar franchise is beyond me. For me there is no plot left for episode 9 now. We all know Rey will beat Kylo (she always does). The End.
Love you guys told all my friends and they have skipped it that’s ten less tickets
It’s ok To be white Wish people would stop defending this sequel trilogy to the death. Heard so many say, "But what about this guy from the EU? Why aren't they being criticized?" And I keep saying "The character's that have similar or near the same problems as the new ones have", but seemingly that just because as of late there's no attention to the previous content that it's some how being hypocritical when criticizing the new trilogy? Honestly these kinds of responses are too flawed to justify defense of the trilogy. It's like so many are in denial of the new trilogy's failure as star wars continuity.
I'm not interested in watching this movie either.
Same, fuck this shitty trilogy.
How do they know the gender and age of people buying movie tickets? I have never took a survey when buying my tickets? So while we are there, how many men put butter on their popcorn as apposed to women?
Butter, yes. That corn oil butter flavored bullshit at the theater, no.
Bryon you just won post of the day 🏆
they take pictures
Joey Hartman i was thinking the same thing when I heard age stats. Wtf?!? How do they when I paid cash? All 5 times. 😱
people who sign up for services like Fandgo & other apps/sites create profiles 75-85% of all tickets are bought online. also computers, tablets and phones all have individual ip addresses that link back to either a gmail account (for Android based products) or icloud (for Apple products), which those emails connect to other things like facebook, twitter & youtube where gender is listed or provided to open an account. The information is there & extremely easy to obtain by big companies who pay the site/app techs which in turn helps keep their products & services remaining in production. Much like companies pay to have their tv commercials ran during the superbowl or whenever they know ratings are going to be their best. Data is everywhere if you got the money.
_"The shroud of the cash-grab has fallen... Begun di$ney's fall... has"_
sadly Disney wont fall, because of the cash grab. Star Wars shall fall :c
Funny thing today I went to see the new Jumanji movie and the show I went to go to was sold out(the movie theatre was packed) and the people ahead of me decided to see Pitch Perfect instead even though there was a showing of TLJ scheduled to start only five minutes after the Jumanji showing. As for me I just bought a ticket for a later showing of Jumanji. Shows that when the movie people are going to see is sold out they aren’t choosing TLJ as their second choice they are either going to another second choice or just going to a later showing of their original choice.
might I recommend the Greatest Showman it was entertaining and some of the numbers were stuck in my head after. As far as ratings go It's the complete inverse of TLJ. RT gave it a 53 but the audience score is 90
Jared Francis
It reminds me of The Orville series: critics hate it - 20%, while viewers, myself included, love it - 93%.
And ironically, it's about the man who coined the phrase Disney was hoping would apply to the sales of Star Wars! "There's a sucker born every minute!"-P.T. Barnum
Same here
It also reminds me about collectibles for Star Wars. It's easy to finds Rey, Finn and other new characters figures at low price, but good luck finding Darth Revan at same low price, because he's actually popular (fans voted for Hasbro to release Revan and Jaina Solo, Anakin's granddaughter from books).
Wasn't it 72% decline for second week sales? It was 80% for BvS for comparison. And if there is no fear of box office fatigue... they wouldn't have bothered writing an article about it.
Fatigue really isn't an excuse, look at Marvel
Domenic Serena what you are referring to is Friday to Friday drop. Weekend to weekend for TLJ and BvS where both 69%
I didn't go see The farce awakens nor will I see The past it Jedi.
Got to see them for free. Want a refund.
The last Jedi is the batman vs superman of star wars.
Disney claim its a film for intellectuals yet its nothing but boring action.
The fans deny any flaws and call you every overused term such as "nazi, sexist" ect
The force awakening! Was worst
Except the ultimate cut of bvs is good and no one was called racist or sexist for hating it
It seems more like they're claiming themselves to be the intellectuals.
You're so dumb. Bvs is a story driven movie with no fight scene til the end of the movie. the last Jedi has! no redeemable qualities
Not to mention the last Jedi has zero action. You really should think before you start spewing shit out of your mouth.
Preach brother couldn’t have said it better myself!
I never thought I would say this but I will not be spending another dime on star wars until emperor kennedy is tossed down a reactor shaft. SJW crapfest! Your right dude, nothing but lame excuses and people saying you need to see it multiple times. WTF? How many times did I see a new hope before I knew I liked it? ONE fucking time!
Im with u...NOT ANOTHER DIME
"You need to see it multiple times"
Translation: bob iger's gonna be pissed at the low secondary ticket sales.
david mcfadden TBH, Star Wars is lost. They won't get my money. Boycotting future SW titles.
Today I unsubscribed from comicbookcast2. I also unfollowed them on Facebook. Because they have been performing back flips for this movie. I remember when they use to have balls but now they are absolute shills. And according to some fans since the prequels were bad (I'd personally argue against that but that's neither here nor there right now) we have no excuse to complain about the Last Jedi.....fucking really? That's like saying hey I know Batman vs Superman was a full plate of ass but do you remember Batman and Robin. Be thankful for what you have. Yeah no Last Jedi sucks, deal with it.
I just love how the sequel era apologists will go and say "Hey its not as bad as Jar Jar." and give these movies a free pass. If your only argument is "Hey there's worse out there." it just goes to prove how shitty the product you're defending really is.
I'll take Jar Jar over Rose and purple hair bitch any day of the week. At least Jar Jar actually contributed to the plot.
The last Jedi makes me miss Jar Jar Binks.
redlettermedia is the only youtube you need. trust me.
so many vistas.
@nightwishfan1991
And At the very least Jar Jar didn't ruin moments that had a very serious/high stakes tone. He didn't go and mess with the Obi-wan Maul duel and ruin the scene like Rose did with Finn's sacrifice.
Love the optimism about the China opening too. For the second biggest market in the world the $125 for Force Awakens ain't much money. They actually cast big name Chinese actors in Rogue One to try to get more money and it failed even worse. The Disney Star Wars has been coasting on momentum which had been worn down all ready by the prequels. Nostalgia for getting the original cast together counted for a lot of Force Awakens bucks and that's gone now.
Are you kidding? The Prequels were like Othello compared to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi.
Forbes ran some similar bullshit earlier. I guess everyone is in the Mouse's pocket. It's also interesting how the reverse "TLJ effect" seems be happening with Netflix's Bright.
DVDVAMPIRE01 Great movie, lampshades a shitton of modern tropes. I liked the idea of the orc being a 'diversity hire' yet eventually showing himself to be a strong, and model cop. The ending, also works well to the strength of this world forged in the modern-era legacy of a Tolkien-esq world.
Tl; Dr you're right man, these people actually focused on a good movie first
The sad part is they want to be politically correct but insult the "diverse" audiences they attemp to patronize.
Because I'm a black man and watching Fin in these movies is cringe worthy at best.
The mainstream media is scared of feminist balls .... go figure.
It's kinda funny that Disney's too thick to even notice that they're being racist.
To those people who think the movie is good,ask yourself if it didn't have the name STAR WARS on it ,would you say the same ?
I'm ready to bet they would say something quite different.
But it's Disney AND Star wars so you know.It can't be bad right ?fUCKING LOGIC.
These people makes me sick.The movie is just BAD,not just for a star wars ,just the movie ITSELF is bad since it has bad writting,insane amount of plot holes and unjustified length.
it was written by patheric women. Head of Lucas Story Group is a fking women
You know what, I think TLJ would actually be better if it WASN'T Star Wars. The idea of a man losing himself to guilt and despair is a good one, but it simply isn't fitting for Luke Skywalker's character. The fans know it and Mark Hamill knows it. They simply chose the wrong character with whom to tackle that kind of story. And of course there's all the Mary Sue crap too so it would probably still be hated by some people, but at least it wouldn't ruin a beloved character and saga.
It should of been called Return of the plot holes. that or the last SJW.
This was done on purpose:
1. To destroy anything positive and masculine using Star Wars as a vehicle.
2. To create more opportunities for milking money in future shitty episodes.
Disney doesn't do things by accident.
Russell All we have now are a wookie, two droids and a cast of sjw rejects.
but...it won't be the last sadly
Star wars: The Last White Male
Everything is sjws now. It's the most overused word on the internet. I don't even see the correlation of SJW and TLJ.
Your point about no one wanting to be Poe or Finn or Rey or Kylo or Rose or Purple Hair admiral is a good one. Back in the day, kids envisioned themselves as either Luke or Han or Leia and argued about why they wanted to be that character. Who would want to be ANY of these new uninspiring characters?
Omg guys, let's all go see Jumanji, not because we actually want to of course, but just because it would be hilarious if an undoubtedly shitty movie like Jumanji makes millions more than this somehow more arguably shitty movie with a Star Wars label.
I found Jumanji to be surprisingly affecting since they actually bothered to build up characters and relationships that I cared about.
Tomorrow's excuse: rapid flu cases skyrocketed maybe the cuss of the new Star Wars movie under performing
Thank you! It is never good to appeal to a temporary audience who will move on to the next big "shiny" thing. This happens in fandoms all too often and the companies forget who helped to keep their franchises alive. They should not try to appeal to those who won't be there in six months to a year. They should appeal to EVERYONE!
The sad part is that female/minority Star Wars fans like me (Hispanic Democratic female here) who don't approve of the Last Jedi are going to be ignored because we don't fit the SJW narrative (that being that this is an 'alt-right' misogynist issue). Same shit happened with Gamergate where many innocent male gamers were all clumped with the trolls and painted as sexist basement-dwelling pigs. Back then, female gamers attempted to fight back and defend gamers with the #notyourshield phrase against SJW groups. They went ignored. Then the same shit happened with the Ghostbusters Reboot. I remember posting my comment on the trailer, along with others who posted legit criticism. All of our comments got promptly removed. Meanwhile, the troll comments got intentionally left behind. Now it's happening with Star Wars.
For a 'progressive' movement that flaunts itself as being the VOICE for people like me, they certainly act like oppressors who have no issue silencing those that don't support their stance, including those they claim to 'defend' or represent. As a woman, I didn't like it when female characters back in the day used to be painted as fragile snowflakes who existed only to elevate its male characters. Today, I don't like it when male characters are painted as incompetent idiots who exist only to elevate its female characters.
True equality can only come from capturing the complexity of both sexes and being true to them. In Rey being this over-hyped Mary Sue character, she doesn't tell the world that women can be 'strong'. Rather, she's a one-dimensional caricature of a woman who depends on the emasculation/incompetence of male comrades to be on the top of the food chain. There's no sense of 'social justice' or victory for women by rigging the game in our favor. It's a cheap win that deserves no applause.
Characters like Ripley and She-Ra succeeded as female characters back in the day because they weren't afraid to air out their dirty laundry. They were as weak as they were strong. With Ripley, she was a condescending bitch who rubbed even her crew the wrong way. But her survival instinct, core principals, and character development made us root for her. With She-Ra, this iconic character of the 80s began her career as a VILLAIN - a rare story arc even for male hero characters.
It's important to note, also, that the films that featured strong female characters prioritized narrative and characterization above gender politics. In fact, gender politics was often the last thing to consider. With a strong enough story and strong enough cast, the audience doesn't need to be hit over the head and told this is a strong female character. Rather, through the ACTIONS and words of that character we can figure it out on our own.
Once Kathleen is forced out of her position after the sure train wrecks that episode 9 and the Han movie will be ,us true Star Wars fans can rejoice and forget about this nightmare...excuse me while I rewatch episodes 1 through 6 again,peace....
Well the damage is already done nonetheless. We'll never see the true comeback Han, Luke and Leia deserved. The Star Wars brand is stained forever.
I miss George Lucas
It all depends on the climate at Disney when Kathleen is replaced. What if the suits believe she didn't go far enough with the agenda?
That’s true the damage is done and Disney could take the series to another level of absurdity but we still have the original George Lucas films,somethings should be left alone...Peace
I feel SW will go the way of Transformers and the Marvel movies, once Infinity War is over. Yet, somehow Disney still has enough money to buy Fox.
I watched it at home. So glad I didn’t pay. I had to fast forward thru all the bs.
damn...your version of the movie would be about 15 minutes then. I am jealous.
would it even be 15mins? I would imagine you'd see the opening crawl then fast forward all the way to the end credits
Daniel Dosso
I didn’t see the opening crawl. Didn’t need it. Basically I looked for the Snoke/Ren/Kylo scene everyone was creaming their pants about. Yawn. Then I found the Superman Leia scene Then found the Rose/Finn rescue I profess my love scene then the Luke/Kylo ‘fight ‘, then found the ‘purple hair jump to light speed finale. That’s it. No porgs or casino scene for me.
I went cause i had enough fee points and a gift card for Christmas. So glad i didnt have to waste my money on this pc sjwplot hole filled movie.
Todays excuse is.....
*looks up in dictionary*
... erectile dysfunction.
On a rating of 1-10 with 10 being the most. I would rate myself a 5 as a starwars “fan”. I don’t have any toys, I don’t have anything related to Starwars other than the ORIGINAL Trilogy on VHS....
Look, I grew up on Starwars. It might not have been the best CGI or effects back then but you was able to sit down and go threw struggles and pain and Success with you characters! You was able to see them grow, fall, and then get back up!!!
I will put this as plain as I can. What DISNEY and that woman Kathleen did to LUKE alone is enough for me to NEVER care about a starwars film again. Luke tried to save Darth Vader after all his killings and murders, so you mean to tell me that he was going to cut down a boy in bed with his back turned in his SLEEP!!?? I don’t think so!
And after waiting 30 years, I wanted to see how Luke has grown! How he aged with the Force. See him Tear some shit up! Show his true power. Instead Disney gives us a damn hologram and then he dies because he is tired!? That to me was a VERY blatant attack on Luke and males that have supported this franchise from day one!
This to me was Disney telling us “ Starwars are no longer for men, it’s for woman and gay males (Kilo Ren) and that if you are masculine you take the BACK SEAT AND DO WHAT YOU ARE TOLD (Poe)....
I’m done. There is no place for me or my family in this new vision of Starwars. It is now dead to me. It ended at 6... RIP
EVERY DAY I MISS STAR WARS EU AND THE REAL CANON MORE AND MORE! NOW WE ARE MERELY STAR WARS "LEGENDS".
Kos Juludo At least you probably won't pay Disney directly to actually buy EU materials.
I never thought I'd miss friggin' Mara Jade....I do. I really do.
Every time I see "The Force is female", I laugh.
Then I watch Anakin/Darth Vader killing people videos.
Congratulations on 10k subs guys.
And still they fail to take into account the fact that Disney starts off 4 billion in the hole to purchase Star Wars/lucas film in the first place. Box office is nothing when they are simply destroying the value of their investment, at this point there are more bad films than good in the series, its not tarnished, its burned. They had one last chance to give the original cast a decent send off since they dragged them back in, and clearly no adults were in the room because they simply trashed their legacy, no one said stop, no one held it back to release "when its done" to protect their investment, instead they went with the transformers route of just winging it, script be damned as long as the special effects houses production lines are kept full, everything is fine.
Hamill is still virtue signalling on twitter without a shred of awareness that the people he pushes destroyed his legacy.
francis chow transformers! Ha. The last jedi? More like the last knight.
The ultimate argument against people who say " Star Wars is good because many people watched it" : "Many people have Aids, but this doesn't mean it's good"
Should use that same argument against people who say"Trump is good because many people watched him". No? Fake news time?
How does Disney expect to milk this shit out without giving the fans what they really want? TLJ is the final straw that broke this classic camel's back. People will just drop this franchise altogether.
Lol milk... pun intended?
Not really. But now that you mention it.. XD
It was never about giving the fans what they want. It was about using Star Wars and special effects eye candy to destroy masculinity and poison men.
In a franchise made by a man, with a male protagonist, and a badass male villain. That has a fanbase that's majority male. ( I am a female fan myself, and we are many. But its pretty obvious there are more men. )A fanbase that has kept this franchise alive for decades. The fanbase that actually gives Star Wars its monetary value. The fanbase Disney paid billions to get their hands on. The stupidity and arrogance of Disney is astounding. *facepalm*
Anwell100 Personally, I believe Star Wars is for everyone. But now these movies seem to be made for no one. At some point we could have had a Mara Jade movie, but Disney took it upon themselves to throw her and all of the EU material out. Now they have absolutely no direction for this franchise. So they just spitball it regardless, knowning idiots will buy their damn tickets anyway.
Sometimes I wish it didn't have star wars in its title to see how well it would actually do. And how the critics wouldn't be so nice to it if it wasn't a disney film
Wow, Star Wars had a bigger drop off than Justice League....thats all the proof you need!!!
Would suspect only reason Mark Hamill is backtracking on what he said, because he has been intimidated by Disney to do so seems it has happened to some those criticizing new movie on youtube also.
Barzarel same. I am glad Mark felt the same way. He is Luke and he knows Luke, his negative feelings on Luke didn't come from nowhere, they came from a personal place. He literally felt a disturbance in the force lol.
My 13 year old son fell asleep halfway thought this movie. He finally woke up at the ending credits and asked what he had missed, I told him not a damn thing! I work as an airline pilot and pilots are not creative types, but I honestly think I could sit down and come up with a better story than what Disney, Rian Johnson and K Kennedy came up with!
First: I saw the original film in 1977 when I was 12 years old and grew up with the entire franchise
Modern Political views: It seems to me that Kennedy and Johnson wanted to make a new Republic comprised of "equality in the force" so that everyone can instantly manipulate the force like a Jedi in this new rebooted galaxy; they killed any Rey origin story arc, and it ain't coming back. This might explain why Johnson got to write and direct episode VIII. Why would they do this? Well, Kennedy hates the idea of class, so there should not be a few select "Jedi Knights" or "Sith Lords" in this Johnson-Kennedy rebooted galaxy. You see, now EVERYONE can manipulate the force, because if not, then the Jedi (or Sith for that matter) would be little better than those "evil rich" people in space Vegas (in Kennedy's worldview anyway). In order to make sure everyone has "equal access" to the force, they had to kill off the idea of the the force being able to be controlled by a select few people like the Jedi and Sith (who have a certain threshold of midichlorians in their bodies). This is evident in the ending scene with the stable boy force pulling the broom into his hands (a task that took Luke some amount of time to do properly). This is why it is so bad for executives to inject current politics into a 40 year old franchise because it necessarily comes at the cost of 1. Destroying existing lore in ham handed ways as was done in TLJ, and 2. Alienating a significant percentage of the fan base. They called it the last Jedi because literally, the Jedi as a part of the lore is effectively dead. Luke was the last one. The First Order is effectively dead as well.
The character of Hodo was brought in just to make Poe look like a flyboy with "toxic masculinity". If Dern's character was an actual commander worthy of her salt, she would have told Isaac's character what the plan was in the first place, (he would have went along with it, making the whole side trip to space Vegas unnecessary). Poe was not under arrest, still in the chain of command, and was entitled to know what the heck was going on if for nothing else then to be able execute command intent in case there was another breakdown in the chain of command (as happened earlier with Leia). It's what good commanders do (I am retired AF, so I know a bit about this). Any military officer would have relieved Dern's character of command under similar circumstances. The plan involved logistical considerations which the subordinates had to execute, and it is a pretty good bet that morale was going down quick because folks are watching ships getting blown up left and right and Dern's character doing nothing about it. She was a bonehead, pure and simple. Furthermore, Leia would have never kept the evacuation plan secret from Poe, who hours before (in what was the end of the previous movie) blew up the starkiller base, so I think she could trust him. She sure would not have stunned him before asking him what the heck was going on after waking up from a coma. Nothing Hodo did made any military sense, and she was only written in for, in my opinion, political beliefs that Kennedy espouses (flyboy must be brought down a notch, and the force is female). It is perfectly fine to have strong female characters, but not at the expense of making men look like simpering idiots (which is clearly what Rian Johnson did here). Johnson and Kennedy killed this entire franchise. They killed the lore, the force, the hero's journey, and they murdered the characters of both Luke and Leia. Leia would have never demoted Poe in the first place, because the Dreadnought would have decimated the entire fleet if someone did not take it out, so there would have never been a chance to "run away" in the first place. Given all of these pesky facts, it is hard to fathom why Johnson would have thrown this whole Poe demotion canard together in the first place, because it sure as heck was not good story telling or sane military decisions by the characters
Kennedy hates class? She thinks her personal net worth of ~$150+ million doesn't equate to class? LOL.
I, too, saw the originals as they were released.
Steeltrap publicly, sure. Privately, nah. She's just another "Do as I say, not as I do" progressive SJW.
Excellent text! I totally agree on that!
I went in with ONE expectation. That Rey’s Mary Sue status be revoked with an awesome backstory. This movie was so bad it took me eleven hours to get back to that topic and realize that NOPE! She was to remain a Mary Sue and we were expect to swallow it like so much green milk! Heroes don’t struggle anymore. That’s a reflection of this generation; the most spoiled people in history.
I hope you guys do a video on the last jedi tanking in china.
The fangirls are more stupid thinking Reylo, the cringiest theory in all of Star Wars, is canon. Ever since that scene where Kylo is shirtless, fangirls everywhere are trying to find reasons on why Reylo will happen. Now this will blow your minds, my dear fangirls, so bear with me and it'll be a lot to take in but maybe, just maybe... He got out of the shower or was simply changing clothes.
The memes though.
+Mr. Cuddlesworth
So fangirls want it to be like Twilight in space.
Mr. Cuddlesworth im willing to bet with you they are going to end as a couple, at this point why the fuck not, the trilogy is fucking dead, at least they would go out with on last fuck you to the fans
Mr. Cuddlesworth women don't matter in Star Wars. Sorry but it's sill 98% male and women just don't have the passion for it as we do. That's life. Just like men don't care about Oprah
Apple Bee And that's what pisses me off even more. I remember when Twilight first came out, my sister was obsessed with it from the first movie to the last. And when Jacob appeared, and because my name is Jacob, people made jokes about me relating to that werewolf in Twilight at school, and it triggered me so god damn much.
Wow. Just accept that there are people that don’t like it. I mean there are good movies every year, and there are bad movies every year. Many seem to put this film in the bad movie category. Just how it is.
Jared Wignall Damn I wish Justice League could’ve gotten all these excuses from media and fans alike but us DC fans have a little sense of objectivity..
john lawson lmfao you don’t need to attack him he’s basically agreeing with you
Lil_Tex I agree with you pal. It sucks what they did with Luke. Luke was my favorite character in Star Wars, and I hate what they've done to him. Though I and many others have pointed out how shit it was for the way they treated him in this. Hell, I was talking about how fucking shit that was with The Force Awakens. Even before we found out the shitty reason why he ran away from everything, we hear his nephew went to the dark side and then went into hiding. But now, it just sucks even harder. And then in this film Luke wonders how they found him, despite the last film saying he left a map with pieces missing, so there's a continuity mistake or character error or just plain fuck up right there. Though my comment is supposed to encapsulate Luke, but I wanted to keep it as short and simple as I could. I've left some comments on other videos of there's in more detail about how awful they handled Luke. Just thought I'd take a different approach instead of basically saying the same thing.
Jared Wignall the majority like it if u include the general audience. Hardcore fans are divided 50/50
Jared Wignall disney raped starwars
It's pretty simple for me.
They don't want my money, that's ok, I have much better things to do.
Tomorrow's excuse? Live action Teletubbies announced and cast.
Would also like to see a live action Mark Hamill.
jime6688 tomorrow’s excuse: it’s all Trump’s and Russian bots’ fault.
Tomorrow's excuse? Men are dumb, they don't understand how brilliant this movie is.
It was a terrible flick. Period.
A lot the people buying tickets and seeing Star Wars movies ain't real fans, they are just jumping on the bandwagon. When the base is removed, the building will fall. I have been a fan all my life. I have seen every movie, I have seen every episode of Clone Wars, Rebel's hell even the Christmas Special. But I will not see Han Solo and I will not see Ep 9. You can't kill Star Wars for me, but what we are seeing now isn't Star Wars. In my mind, the EU is still cannon and this is just a bad dream.
Want to make a real statement? STOP BUYING STAR WARS TICKETS. When the Han Solo movie comes out DONT GO SEE IT when episode 9 comes out DONT GO SEE IT. Dont "have an open mind" "give the movie a chance" DONT GIVE THEM YOUR MONEY. As long as they keep making money they dont care about you. They are perfectly content and telling you that you aren't welcome that you aren't shit that you are nothing while they take your money YOU KEEP GIVING THEM.
There is this myth that they are "winning new fans." They are not. My 5 nephews, aged 6-10, made fun of the movie and thought Luke was a wimp and "died like a stinky fart." They are also at the age that they don't like girls, so Rey is not a hero to them. They seem to only like Kylo Ren. The bad guy! The Star Wars fan-line, like the Skywalker bloodline in the story, died with TLJ. Also lost a long time fan...me.
When agenda trumps good, original writing, it usually becomes apparent. Look at the disaster that was Sense 8.
Most audiences recognize the condescension and manipulation, be it direct or indirect.
I ended up hating The Force Awakens for that reason...and the utterly lazy writing and poorly implemented Han Solo death scene).
I still haven't seen Last Jedi for fear that I will be disappointed and angry like many seem to be about this film.
Ernest Hemingway
That's a great idea. I'll pay for a good movie that I've already seen and walk into Last Jedi.
Disney already got my money for the atrocity of The Force Awakens so this would only be fair.
However, I gotta admit that after the two weeks since it was released, I'm no longer as interested in seeing it.
Maybe I'll just skip it.
Oh God, Sense 8. I should have been wary when one of the characters was trans, I should have been worried when the Korean girl was framed by her own father for the crime her brother did, but it took the gay telepathic orgy for me to wonder what the actual fuck I was watching and stop. Add that the show was painfully slow and boring (I remember only one exciting scene in all the episodes I watched).
to be totally honest, I sometimes wish i never saw the last jedi. The one and only pro about having seen it is that I now know beyond all doubt that star wars is dead and disney killed it. Also yeah in both TFA and ESPECIALLY TLJ I got a STRONG sense of the film talking down to the audience, like we're all a bunch of monkeys with an IQ of 70. TLJ I thought was OBSCENE.
TLJ alienated mainstream SW fans, by making a movie that dishonors the characters, ignores canon and ignores historical demands upon those characters. The 54 percent of approving audiences are the average movie watcher who'd be entertained by ANY movie, regardless of how good or bad it is. That's who TLJ was made for. The PROBLEM, is that long-time SW fans are the OTHER 46 PERCENT OF THE AUDIENCE WHO WERE ALIENATED by this awful tragedy, AND REFUSE TO GO SEE THIS MOVIE AGAIN. Rian et al ruined the nature of the most beloved sci-fi character in history, and backlash has been monumental for it. The 46 percent of audiences who are so pissed are the ones who WOULD HAVE gone to see TLJ...2....5.....7....10 times.....but THEY WON'T, because they're rightly OUTRAGED at how Luke was treated, how his personality was entirely inverted, and a host of other failures and stupid oversights that could only have come from directors and producers who ARE NOT FANS OF SW, and view it as a stratagem on how to just make money. Disney wanted to """subvert expectations"""........well I bet they didn't intend to subvert their hope TLJ would make 1.5 billion. I'll be surprised if it makes 820 million, just a bit more than half of what they hoped. Bastards. My journey with Star Wars came to an absolute end when TLJ was over. SW is dead and gone, and there is nothing they can do to make it right again.
I seen allot of videos about this topic, but you, my friend, you have said it perfectly. You nailed it. Job well done, thank you for your videos of 2017... can't wait to get more in the new year!! Bee safe, have fun, rock on!
THANK YOU. SIMPLY. THANK YOU!
Disney Star Wars in a nutshell
2015: Real sets and Practical effects.
2016: Death Star and Darth Vader.
2017: Subversion of your (if you had any) expectations.
Don't forget about blaming Trump and Russia! It's weird the "media" still didn't use this excuse though.
Anna 88MK they did call haters Trump supporters and white supremacists though
Oh that's right;)
Vladimir Putin made that audience score on Rotten tomatoes:)
At least that's what the new's will be on Disney owned ABC tomorrow:)
Anna 88MK what excuse? Trump? I thought I heard that they did actually.
I'm sure not for the wont of trying
Anna 88MK People are actually blaming George Lucas for the failure of TLJ.
You’ve done more good for Star Wars than almost everyone. Thank You!
It really is difficult to be realistic, instead of a pathetic Fan puppet, do not you think it's the same? 🤔
I predict that Star Wars is about to follow the same cycle of the Star Trek franchise: Insanely schizophrenic and lazy script writing by the studios which led to fan made films that were MUCH BETTER than the studio product, followed by the studios launching a campaign of lawfare on said fanbase, to eliminate any competition to their own piss poor product. So now the Star Trek franchise is dead, stick a fork in it.
The fans are going to start making some Star Wars content with impressive production values to create content that fans want, and to reject the swill that the SJW crowd in Hollyweird is producing. Then Disney shall "release the lawyers", litigating their fanbase into submission. Finally, with another incomprehensibly bad script, the fans will just stop caring at all about Star Wars.
Then it will be "Mission Accomplished" for the SJW's: Another piece of Americana destroyed.
They already have made #StarWarsNotStarWars, but you need to read to find it. Nick Cole & Jason Anspach's "Galaxy Edge" series does it for those who want more war in their Star Wars. More mysticism, space pirates, and such? Brian Niemeier's Soul Cycle series, starting with Nethereal. More authors are getting in on that action, and a lot are indie authors; I wrote such a story for the PulpRev Sampler. All books are at Amazon, Kindle section, and many are in print also.
But if you're wanting film and TV alternatives, GO EAST! Japan's been doing that for decades, with wild success. Beyond the Macross and Gundam franchises, you have Tytania and Legend of the Galactic Heroes for the purest Space Opera. (The latter is truly pure, and the original novels are available in English now.) Other shows and films blend Space Opera with other elements to varying degrees; find something you like and go with it.
I add Space Battleship Yamato/Star Blazers to that list!
They tried the same excuse making, and blaming the fans, with the new *Ghostbusters* movie.
Didn't work then, won't work now.
Perfectly said my friend. The only new Star Wars movie I liked was Rogue One and for that reason, it's because it was in between part 3 and 4 and it fit in with the original stories. The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi are and will always be big loads of crap and Return of The Jedi will always be the real true ending movie to the franchise for me unless George Lucas takes over again. I know the books have more stories besides the movies but I never have had the time to sit and read them and I bet there great, but for now I just love the original movies more including Rogue One and that's it.
the books are hit and miss for every thwran trilogy you get a crystal star or the palpatine clone saga.some of the EU is great but a good chunk is utter trash.
If you look at past performance of Star Wars films, it is the worst drop of any of them. Star Wars itself actually increased viewers in 2nd and 3rd weeks. Empire saw a small drop in the 2nd week and increased in the 3rd.
The prequels all had a minimal drop in the 2nd week and a larger one in the third. That even applied to the horrendous Clone Wars.
Dave Filoni should be the head of Lucasfilm
No he shouldn't. As someone who is supposedly a male feminist, his biggest act was taking the one actual force trained female character with any ability, who was not a Mary Sue, namely Ahsoka, (who was trained in saber use by her mentor Plo Koon, the number three saber user in the Jedi), and who killed 6 Mandalorians with one move, defeated Cad Bane, fought Asaj and Grevious to standstills as a young girl; somehow she lost to a man in saber combat whose biggest martial claim to fame is killing children, old men, and basic rebel soldiers.
I don't see how he would serve either Kennedy's feminist, man-hating agenda, or a fans expectation of bringing balance back to the force, when he single handedly destroyed a fan favorite character, and all the good will he earned with the Clone Wars, by his work on Rebels under the new Disney regime.
Too be fair though, it's difficult to say whether the blame for Ahsoka and Rebels lays squarely with him, or, considering recent on screen developments, Disney is the real culprit.
Uhhh one of Anakin's achievements include besting Dooku. a master of Form II Makashi the premier dueling form which he then started to utilize after he put on the suit. Stop crying cuz Ahsoka lost its okay sheesh.
Lancer Ace Filoni is nothing more than a Kennedy puppet. He has mocked and ridiculed EU fans when he was outed as an EU know-nothing after having claimed that he was an EU fan at a convention. He has little to no respect for things like the EU and only brought back characters like Thrawn into his little show _'Rebels',_ not cause he likes the EU but, cause he was trying to trick EU fans who walked away from the show, into coming back and help boost weak, low and declining viewership.
Not to mention, when he was accused by fans of messing up the continuity of SW, he tried to justify himself by saying that Lucas once told him that, _"Continuity is for wimps"._ This so-called "quote" has never been verified or substantiated and yet, he tried to pass it off as a valid quote. If what he said was true, why did Lucas and Lucasfilm spend *_decades_* trying to keep all of the SW universe cohesive and... *_in continuity?_* The guy is full of Bantha crap and is nothing more than a Ten Gallon hat wearing "Yes-man" to the Di$ney/Kennedyfilm "powers that be". He has no business heading anything, least of all Lucasfilm.
Lancer Ace didn't he go through lucas for everything on clone wars?
Filoni is far from perfect though. As was stated here he isn't very good at keeping continuity. When he was working on Clone Wars, while the show had awesome stuff about it, he'd be making changes or mistakes that different EU writers had to patch up later.
Watch them eventually get to the audience is too homophobic, or hates the film cause of the strong female leads. I predict they will do the exact same BS that they said back when the Ghostbuster's movie was not being seen or something that extent. Which will eventually just turn to them attacking the real fans that are not going to see it in the first place and turn them away from them for good.
It will not hurt them really until they lose lots of money or have a drastic drop in the amount of people going to see it world wide. Yet for it being Disney that owns it now when that does happen I predict them to still stick with the narrative they are working on and just change Star Wars to direct to home video sequels like it does with most all of its property.
Because after all Disney is known for spreading the Princess syndrome around the world. How many sword swinging ass kicking Princes do they have in all their stories - only around 2. Disney is highly built on telling romance stories with a young female character at the center of it where the whole world revolves around them. Now having them tell a story that I have rarely seen from Disney itself is unlikely. Now if the team at Pixar had the ability to make a Star Wars movie it would be far better than the crap coming out of the Disney studio at this moment as that team can tell a story.
Andrew Dale they should've just said "hey Pixar! Do something good with this. Let me know when you're done." And proceed to hand them the keys to the falcon.
El Chapo's delayed trial will be a huge excuse lol
The total production budget including advertising cost for The Last Jedi was 800 million dollars. So as of now the film has broke even. It needs to gross a lot more money to be considered a success by Disney executives.
Mike R my brain can't compute wasting that much money.
You are forgetting that Disney only gets part of the revenue with the rest going to theatre owners. Even by the most optimistic approach, it needs 1 billion dollars to break even and much more to be considered success.
Then disney is buying fox....ugh!!
Ish B Covenant sequel is already cancelled