Standard Time always. When we briefly has to put up with Daylight Savings time (here in Perth), it also meant it became impossible to have certain international work calls with coleagues elsewhere in the world (UK), within normal business hours. So ironically it became necessary to stay an hour later at work, to get things done, or ask the other end to come into work an hour earlier. Whereas on standard time, the last hour of our working day would overlap with the first hour of their working day. And personally I prefer less light exposure rather than more, never been a fan of getting sun burnt - but each to their own I guess.
Depends where i live. Close to Equator - no daylight savings.. just find a happy medium. Closer to the poles where the variance of daylight in morning and evening can be balanced by shifting an hour, sure.. lets change the clocks.. Even closer to the poles (think arctic circle/finland/norway) its irellevant, the shift in daylight hours vs night hours is so great that there isnt any point in trying to optimise the daylight hours. While this video takes aim at big business for trying to profit at the cost of the body's natural rhythm, it doesnt address the basic fact that the closer to a pole you get, the more naturally warped daylight hours become. So your natural rhythm will be impacted if you live far north or south anyway.... right?
The "rich" play golf but don't have to "be in the office" on time. Who cares that those little people get hurt, there are more of them to be replacements... ( Think Charles Dickens times )
I work with parents and we need to acknowledge how disruptive this time change is to families with children as sleep and mental health are tightly bound.
Yes! Before I had kids I didn't bother with the time change (I just let myself adjust with the sun and would just do things an hour off from everyone else). But with kids and the even more horrible school hours, now I'm tired constantly. I just want to sleep
I decided to completely ignore daylight saving time for sleeping. I take advantage of my flexible working times and set my alarm to sunrise. And it works. I‘m sleeping better and don‘t even know the last time i heard my alarm, because i wake up a few minutes before. Also great: In summer i‘m leaving work at 2pm because i‘m starting early.
Growing up, I thought "waking up with the Sun" was meant as a metaphor, because there's no way that would be healthy at my latitude. I don't even know how it would work in June when the Sun doesn't set or in December when it doesn't really rise. *Obviously* I'm up before the Sun in December, and equally obviously I go to bed while it's still light in May-July and partway through August.
Where do you guys live? Because where I'm from, waking up with the sun in the summer means being up at 4 am, and sun set is around 9pm. In the winter sun comes up at 8am, most people are already at work, and sun sets by 4pm, most people are still at work. Moving it back an hour like DST means you at least get to see some sun on your way out the door from work, otherwise you'd live in total darkness all winter. DST during the summer really doesn't matter much, but during the winter, it would be a HUGE benefit to mental health, and vitamin D production.
I've always been surprised that people allow the government telling them what time it is to actually affect their behavior. In other words, businesses or schools could just open sooner or later if they decided it's best for their people. Our society just has it so ingrained that 9-5 is business hours, when in fact a lot of people have different schedules.
On my winter solstice, the sun rises at 11 and sets at 17. I am excited to begin working at 6:30 so I can get off work and still have daylight, and my employer (a federal agency) is accepting of this. Of course, this is possible because I'm working from home with a team 3 time zones east. I know not all occupations can be this flexible, but it won't hurt to ask.
Exactly. Spain has the same time zone as Germany, and they tend to shift their daily routine to later hours. It's always said that it's a cultural thing, but I wonder if that shift is just simply due to their "natural" time zone. Maybe everyone should stick to UTC. Then making appointments across time zones is a nonissue. You just have to find out whether dinner is at 5 pm or 4 am. Maybe just as confusing :-D
@@Pferdekopfnebel Timezones are a good shorthand for what time of day it is, but using UTC for inter-timezone scheduling definitely makes things easier. And if we could all stay on the same offset year-round it would be even easier.
I need more light. Having almost no daylight by time your day is done is incredibly depressing and I need to go on medication. I wouldn't be surprised if S.A.D. on a larger level is correlated with "fall behind", though it is hard to prove causation. I can't create sunshine when I want it, but people who like it dark early can put up a blackout curtain and go to bed.
I agree. I don’t have S.A.D., but I would often feel tired and demotivated to do my homework back when I was in high school once daylight saving time ended.
Would this actually change anything though? If I'm understating correctly, you're suggesting working 8-4 instead of 9-5 and then even if the sun's setting at 5 you'll get that hour of sunlight. But then wasn't the whole draw of standard time that you are waking up when it's light out and that still gives you enough time to get to work? Won't that not be possible if work start time is moved up an hour? Unless what you mean is we work 7 hours a day instead of 8, which I'm super duper on board with, though I think I'll have a harder time convincing my boss of that than switching the national time settings 😂
As a software engineer, I just want every country to organize their changes into one document so we only have to update all the computers on Earth with everyone’s new timezone rules once.
As a human who lives too far from the equator to feel any benefits of changing the clock back and forth, only the drawbacks, I would like that as well.
As another software engineer,I just want timezones thrown out the window and everyone to switch to UTC personally 😂. Let's just adjust the times of things locally to line up with the sun how we want rather than playing with arbitrary lines that cause so much headache 😅
@@Robert-cu9bm I’m even further from the equator than that. “Summer time” doesn’t give me any benefits because there’s no lack of daylight in the summer evenings to begin with, as the sun doesn’t set at all for over a month and I don’t have true night (end of astronomical twilight) between the beginning of April and almost the middle of September.
Right, we can fix what times we do things at once we stop moving clocks. In particular, I don't see why the particular '7' number on the clock matters. As long as work and bed starts at a good rhythm.
There are errors in this video: (1) the value of permanent DST depending on how well the current timezone reflects the local sunrise/-set and (2) the EU didn't "scrap DST", it is letting members pick one or the other.
I just want the change back and forth to end more than anything. I hold this opinion much more strongly now that I'm a parent. It wrecks kid's sleep routines.
I'm from Mexico, and this was the last time we had to change our clocks. I was pretty sad about it cause I love leaving work and being able to see the sunset, but now everytime I leave work it's already dark and I feel like I don't have much time to do the things I want. This video made me feel a lot better about the change.
But here's the thing: we don't have the AC overuse problem like in the US. At least not in the vast majority of our territory. There's also an argument to be made about all of us (literally) poor people who don't have a car, and we either have to wait in a random -now dark- street for some form of public transportation or, worst case scenario, go back home walking. I don't think this change to be really beneficial to developing countries where most people don't use or own a car nor an AC system and where crime rate is just insane. And we surely weren't manipulated because of golf or trick or treating. Kids here don't even go for trick or treating. Speaking of kids, literally half of them (teenagers included) go to school in the evenings. In the summer time schedule, they used to get out of school as soon as it starts to get dark. Now they have to permanently go home when it already is completely dark. This may work for some countries, but Mexico? I don't think so.
I live in a Mexican city that really could use the mountain time rather than the central time. I'm still gonna miss those 9 PM sunsets in the summer, and also it'll technically be a new experience for me because i was born when dst was adopted by us every year. I've literally never lived a year where I didn't have to change the clock,
The biggest issue (and of course this apply to almost anything) is that people tend to only focus on themselves and how they would be affected. People also seem to forget that different parts of a time zone can have big differences in sunrise/sunset (eastern time zone having the biggest variance in the US) and just the fact that the sun is out longer in the summer than the winter so not all the benefits of Daylight Savings can be attributed to the time change. Winters will be darker no matter what and Summer brighter.
I mainly want the clock switching twice a year to end, but would prefer daylight savings year round. The adjustment period after the change gets worse the older I get. I likely have seasonal affected disorder, it's so hard to get anything productive done after work during the winter. It's just so dark, it's awful.
My personal feeling about this, as someone suffering with depression and anxiety all my life, I cant stand when the sun sets at 4:00 -3:00 PM during the winter ( i live quite North) The day is short enough during the cold months, and when the clock changes at the end of October, I struggle a lot. I hate that change with every ounce of my body
Daylight "saving" time, giving us "more" daylight in summer. The season known for longer days and more sunlight. If anything we should do the opposite. I'm all for more sun in the evening, it hate it getting dark at 4:30 in winter lol. I don't care about mornings in general. Dark mornings would be kinda cool anyway.
I have to think if we finally fixed daylight savings, either by nixing it or fixing it in place, school boards could and maybe would adjust their hours to keep kids out of the dark ss much as possible. There's already a difference between people living on one edge or the other of a time zone, and giving schools more control over their schedules if they dont have it could fix that desparity as well...
I agree on this! After quarantine many schools also have technology and plans already created for virtual classes. Perhaps they could offer virtual classes for the coldest/darkest months, which would also possibly increase overall safety by getting cars off the road driving kids to school?
I live in the Yukon, a northern territory of Canada that ditched the time change a few years ago. "YST" is UTM-7 year round, making solar noon roughly 14:00 daily. (It's daylight time.) Our population voted for this over the alternative because we're going to work and school in the dark in winter no matter what, and at least this way kids don't get off the school bus in the dark. (I must mention that it just doesn't get dark mid-summer.) Whenever I hear of research about circadian rhythms, I wonder how little of it applies to circumpolar societies. I'd be really curious to find research on this topic, particularly as a Northern-dwelling mixed-race Inuk bipolar.
As another Arctic native (northern Norway), I also wonder how that research applies to high latitudes, because the effects of changing the clocks back and forth are completely dwarfed by the effects of the seasons themselves. Do I really care if the midnight sun is at its lowest around 0000 or 0100?
Yeah, I heard that y’all got permanent DST two years ago since y’all are so up North and no matter what, it’ll be dark in the mornings during winters. Having DST instead of standard time is still better because y’all still will get a more even number of daylight hours during March and September.
Distance from the equator is the only thing that matters to us mid-latitude people, let me tell you. I don’t know how you do what you do, and I don’t know how the Daylight/Standard time debate is even a thing given the amazing time dilation/contraction our daylight hours experience throughout the year. At mid latitudes. Mid latitudes.
Folks, we had had permanent daylight saving time here in Russia for like five years in 2010s... It was one of the first things that got abolished, with universal cheers across the whole society. Won't recommend it 😏
@@braincraft It's even more confusing: as standard time zones in Russia are already shifted by an hour ever since 1931, at that period of time there was constant double saving time. Now it is back to "standard", which is in fact constant saving. Apart from some regions at the very east of particular time zones, made up by merging the adjacent ones. So if you want a happy schedule and some healthy sleep, there are options only along the Volga river and some patches of Taiga lands.
Framing it as Standard Time vs DST really bothers me, because frankly the numbers we slap on the clock are arbitrary. Our circadian rhythms can sync with the rise of the sun just fine whatever number we happen to be using. Heck, we could set sunrise to 0:00 (ignoring latitudes differences for simplicity) and that wouldn’t inherently result in any change. The problem is, as you alluded to, the forced waking up prior to sunrise. And if we switched to standard time, companies could just lobby to have school and work start earlier and we’d run into the exact same issue. Heck, this becomes a problem at extreme latitudes even without the clock change, just due to the rapid day-to-day change of sunrise relative to our physical clocks. At the summer solstice, at standard time sunrise would be almost 4am where am. At the winter solstice, almost 8am. This would still have most people here waking up before sunrise in winter, and sleep well past sunrise in summer. The entire reason we have such strict time zones shared between all latitudes in the first place comes back to one of your points - money. In a globalized economy, it is far more convenient to run on a universal standard that is easy to convert. But with the capabilities of current technology, there is no reason we can’t operate a globalized economy with far more localized times. So I think fighting for Standard Time is not only a bit naïve, but also sorely lacking in ambition. If we truly want to fight for a system that allows people all over the world to get the best sleep possible for their health, we need to scrap the current paradigm altogether and go back to the drawing board.
FUN FACT! In Argentina we are stuck in DST since the 70's, long story short one of the many coup we had "kind of forgot" to issue a decree that year and then we kept it that way to be "in sync" with our biggest comercial partner: Brazil. We should be on GMT -4 but we use GMT -3.
It would be easier to just shift our culture, the numbers are arbitrary anyway. Have school start later (another scientifically supported idea). Also this does nothing either way to graveyard and other night shift people, except maybe get a bit better sleep as they may get to sleep before the sun rises more often.
Spain has been in a "constant" DST for almost 100 years (plus one hour during the official DST period of the year) and it created a very specific lifestyle. I explain: geographically, Spain should be in the same time zone as Portugal and UK, but instead opted to follow European Central Time, to be "more connected to the rest of Europe" or something like that (I don't really remember the reason). Now people have lunch at 2 PM and have dinner at 10 PM. And the leisure culture and industry in Spain is very strong and it has one of the highest life expectancies in the world.
I was always in favour of sticking to standard time slightly ahead of sticking to summer time. Just because noon is when the sun is the highest, standard time makes more sense, which is why it was the standard. It definitely makes sense that we have evolved with all of this as a big factor.
I'm a huge proponent of permanent standard time, partly because I'm at Western end of my time zone and I have to get my kids to school early in the morning and the increased amount of the year that it's dark in the morning makes that harder, and for kids who walk to school especially, way more dangerous. But the difference in opinions on Daylight Saving Time often has to do with where you're situated in your time zone, which makes me wonder if we also need to adjust time zones so they all match the standard 15 degree width instead of some getting very wide in places.
I'm just a single degree west of the nominal centre of my time zone, but I'm also 67° north of the Equator, where the benefits of switching back and forth are nonexistent because the seasons affect the daylight hours far more. Does it matter when solar noon is if the Sun doesn't rise? Does it matter when solar midnight is if the Sun doesn't set?
I actually have some problems following those arguments. I think this is heavily depending on where you live on the globe and how big your summer winter change actually is and also when you need to get up and sleep. I don’t understand why it should not save (at least some) energy. Here in Berlin in summer time most of the time I don’t have to switch on the light at all. Not in the morning and not in the evening, without that change I would have to do it in the evening. It might not be much for me alone but adding up for a million people that should count. I never understood why an air conditioner makes any difference (that is because of temp and not light) or what ever this effect should actually cancel out? Sure for some, which have to get up very early or in other parts of the world it might be different. I also think that the health issues for this one hour change are widely exaggerated, if that would be the case having jet lag would kill you instantly and using a flight would need a serious warning. When I was working in home-office I didn't even notice this the last two years (having all clock auto correct). Sure some people might be more sensitive but I have serious doubts because of that they will get any long term damages … sorry but that seems just silly. There are for sure a billion things we do that are on a different level of health impact : smoking, drinking, partying through the night, eating too much … and you know what, all this is sometimes okay. To live will kill you one day! Especially in Berlin the long days in summer are just magic, you feel loaded with energy and the nights are not even really dark … which of course someone would claim to be unhealthy again ... well, they can shut their window and close their shutters :p Also in Berlin there is no chaos about this what so ever .. never had any issues for the last 30 years.
This has given me something to think about. I've been in favor of ending the time change for years, and it didn't matter to me which time we stuck to. Frankly I didn't think it mattered. After every time change there's a period of adjustment, but I eventually end up aligning my sleep schedule with the clock. Basically jet lag without the travel, so to me the change was always the problem, not what the hour hand said. I guess I underestimated the role the sun has in our circadian rhythm, because so much of my life has been tied to the clock rather than to the sun. And this is all the more achievable with how we can control our environments and block out both the sun and the darkness.
Assuming people (including those who run businesses) set their hours in a way that makes sense locally it shouldn’t matter too much which timezone is chosen. As an example of a country that is on “summer time” in the winter and “double summer time” in the summer, look at Spain, which should be in the same timezone as the UK (UTC) as it is located between 9° west and 3° east, but is actually using CET (UTC+1) in the winter and CEST (UTC+2) in the summer. To “compensate for” this misalignment they shift everything a bit later in the day (according to the clock) so that they end up on a schedule that’s comfortable for them.
It's important to realize what switching timezones really means. It's not that it suddenly actually is later or earlier on the day, noon is noon whether it's at 12:00 or 14:00. It's that all your appointments, many contract-bound, get shifted. Daylight saving time therefore just means: You need to get up 1 hour earlier in the day.
This video stresses me out. I would LOVE if we stayed on summer time year around. Lesser option, I would prefer to keep things as they are. I’m honestly super stressed about the idea of being on winter time all year. I’m a “night person”, I spent years trying to change that, but science says that’s just not possible, you’re born with what you’re born with. So now I comfortably live in a night shift world, but I LOVE the sun and day time and miss it. Switching to permanent winter time would rob me of much needed sunlight I very heavily rely on for my mental health.
I completely agree with you. I wonder if scientists and researchers ever researched on the affects of DST for night owls. Also, DST reduced the affects of S.A.D. too.
Whenever there are studies on sleep and human routine, I often wonder what the effects would be if the study was carried out on night shift workers (being one myself). I am aware that working at night and sleeping during the day is bad for your health in general, but what is the effect of DST specifically on people with 'inverted' sleep schedules? For example, I normally go to sleep in the morning and wake up in the afternoon, so daylight time would be better for me: later sunrises would make it easier to fall asleep while it's still dark-ish, and I'd have more daylight left in the afternoon/evening when I'm just waking up and starting my daily routine.
I suspect that a certain percentage of human beings have always been night owls naturally. And that difference is ok. Even before electric lighting became common in the 20th century, and before clocks became common in the 19th century. Pubs are a business as old as time. It's usually the morning larks that get really wound up about having more sun in the morning. And no matter how healthy you are, when your time is up that's it, game over. For me it's the sudden time change twice a year that's the worst part. The rest of the time I'll be using curtains and lights as needed.
I think scientists are forgetting that the states who want permanent daylight saving time such as Alabama, should actually be in Eastern Time, because their solar noon does not hit 12 pm or after (standard time) for most of the year. Alabama is in central time and them having permanent DST basically puts them on the right time zone (they just don’t have DST ever).
Also, doesn’t permanent DST reduce the affects of seasonal depression? Also, even though DST is artificial, wouldn’t our normal schedule of 12am-11:59pm be kind of artificial too?
When I lived in Arizona, which doesn't change their clocks, it was super difficult to work remotely with folks in other states who did. Google Calendar was not at the time equipped to deal. Excellent video, Vanessa!
THANK YOU. The sun has risen after 8 AM for a few weeks here. It’s absolute hell. Why do we do this? Yes I know this happens in the depths of the winter - but it’s always dark in winter, that’s not a problem!
I would prefer DST all year long as I feel best during that time. There are studies showing that school should start later anyway, which would not make for kids starting their days in the dark. Work days should follow suit as well.
In the USA we already spend 8 months on DST and only 4 on "Standard"; it's not "Standard" if it's only 1/3 of the time. Set it to DST and LEAVE it there.
@@lowercaseletters_ I looked it up. It's not our choice on wither or not it's permanent. We are wanting to stay in sync with the nearby US states (Washington, California, and Oregon) so if they're permanent, we're going permanent. Otherwise we'd be one hour behind all the time which is not good for those that have to frequent the border and the economy.
@@lowercaseletters_ I think most of us voted for not changing the clocks twice a year and didn't really care which one we stopped on. There are just a few folks that feel strongly about Standard vs Daylight, because there's a handful of weeks of the year where the sun will come up at 8-9 instead of 7-8. But dark winters are just reality in the north, that's why all our snowbirds migrate to Arizona and Florida when we retire haha.
@@bruce-le-smith I understand the case for standard time all year long and it makes sense. It will suck to not be on daylight saving during mid March through first week of November. (Almost 8 months of the year which is majority of the year.)
As far north as I live, the amount of daylight changes so much during the year that I don't really care if we're at summer time or standard, but the changing always messes me up. It was supposed to end last year, but EU bureaucracy stalled for covid and now the war.
Nope it was "stalled" because there is no consensus about which one they should switch to. The rather small poll the EU did which covered 80 000 votes (from several hundred million inhabitants because no one knew about the poll) had the same amount of people wanting summer time as they had winter time, and some voters to keep it the way it is. Some countries want to switch to summer time, some to winter time permanently, and you would for example in some cases then have a 2 hour time change when crossing a non existing border... The EU officials don't want that to happen. And forcing either of the times onto the population would mean that you have less than 50% of people satisfied. (remember when you have 40% for summer, 40% for winter and 20% for keeping it, and you choose one, you have 60% of the people who disagree with you...)
@@nirfz This is why I think the poll should never have been done. The support for the concept was specifically to stop shifting twice a year, and which one to remain is a rather minor detail that the officials should've just hashed out because of course it'll get a stalemate on a detail that's irrelevant, resulting in the main thing not happening and everyone being unhappy.
@@jhosioja Have to say i am not unhappy. I actually prefer it as it is. Either time chosen for the whole year would be shittier as it is today in one season of the year. And the shift of one hour twice a year isn't any different than the difference between getting up on a workday and on a day off. And that happens way more often than twice a year. I think most people just complain because media tells them to complain, but few think about what really changes for them, or what it means. Most use their phone and computers for reading time, and they don't even need to adjust these devices so no work. In earlier times people had to set the time at their oven, vhs recorder, several clocks around the house, their car and their wristwatch. Most of that's gone for most people. But they still complain about the DST shift when they have an even bigger mini jetlag from sunday to monday. So no matter which one you would choose peple would complain.
@@nirfz That's fair. For me though, the time for sunrise and sunset changes by more than an hour every few weeks. Still get 3 hour days in december and 3 hour nights at summer. DST happening at different times in different countries makes scheduling shit with online friends a mess twice a year. And yet, it makes not a lick of difference to the amount of available daylight. Also, at least in Finland, studies have found an increased incidence of depression, stress, efficiency and concentration right after the shift to summer time, as well as a noticeable increase in traffic accidents.
As I've gotten away from punching a clock, I just sleep when I'm sleepy and get up when I'm not. Still, being in a culture that's messed up does have a knock-on effect that I can feel. And you scored spot #1 for your poster!! I've never had anything lower than #6 million. Maybe that speaks the the quality of my research?🤐
It really gives me a sour taste that the discussion about staying up too late is framed about that we MUST have winter time rather than about that we are staying at work too damn late.
Honestly this. I'm typing this at near 2am here and the fact that I'm up has nothing to do with when the sun goes down. It's the fact that I'm often working till 7pm, then it's off to make dinner, and I want at least a handful of hours for myself before I sleep and repeat this the next day.
I would prefer year round daylight savings time. I find it extremely depressing in the winter to come home in the dark. Regardless of which time we choose, I have to wake up before the sun rises either way. So why would I choose Standard time, which will causes me to both leave and return to my house in the dark, when daylight at least allows me to get some daylight at the end of my day?
I would have it totally different: My idea is that every nation adapts GMT and that you just get used to e.g. eating at 5 instead of 12... I think that after a short period where its hard getting used to, everyone will adapt and the pros outweigh the cons.
I am so with you. I live in GMT +10. My oven and car both show GMT. I have no issues going to work for 23:00 and leaving work about 07:30. Unified GMT / UTC is the way forward! Unless we want to get into a discussion about Mean Sidereal Time! :)
I would prefer standard. And those who like changing the clocks, usually today you can have flexible work hours so you could change those how you want, without disturbing other people. Of course, it will not always be possible and sometimes school or other people schedule would not allow it, but its still fairer than alternatives. The most ridiculous thing is that trains have to stop for hour once a year, and be hour late another time.
The thing is, while it may be healthier for our bodies if we slept earlier and slept more, I'm going to be sleeping somewhere between midnight and 1am regardless of when the sun goes down. Between work and other adult responsibilities, if I want time for myself in the day, I have to sacrifice sleep to get it and it's a sacrifice I make gladly. I don't think I'm alone in this either- most of my generation are overworked and underslept, but we need time for ourselves as much as we need sleep. And having more sunlight in the evenings makes that little bit of time for ourselves nicer. I know you feel like it's "a bit of fun" and that it's not worth destroying your health over, but I assure you, I'll destroy my health for much less.
I've heard of too many 'ultra healthy' people having a short life due to some accident or a genetic flaw. No matter how much yoga you do, tea you drink, or sunrise you count, you never know when your time will be up. It's better to be your authentic self!
@nirfz I get that sleeping is also benefiting me and thus can be considered "time for myself", but I'm also literally not conscious for it. Rest and play are both human needs, but they both end up scrunched into the "not-work" time (which is also taken up by commuting, cooking, cleaning, caring for pets/children, etc). Even if I'm sleeping only 6 hrs a night, that still typically leaves even less than that for play, at least on weekdays. So I'm choosing to spend my free time *doing* things I enjoy, because the need for play is worth taking time from rest. I understand and accept that I'm also taking time from my longevity, but while the lack of rest is felt in the long term, the lack of agency and ability to spend time enjoyably is felt immediately. If you don't want people destroying their futures to survive the now, then we need workplace reform so that people aren't essentially forced to choose.
@@superaarthi See, i am over 40 now, and i feel more effect on sleep deprivation than when not being able to "have time for myself". It is way harder to concentrate at work and not being sleepy when work is over than when i get enough sleep. I even feel body effects like headache ect. when i get too little sleep. In earlier years, the effect on me was way less, and so i do value sleep over any "fun activity" by now. As it actualy makes my body feel better, while an activity that i like is good for my psyche i choose what lessens actual pain. This of course differs from person to person and rhgough the different ages. So all the best to you and may your choosing benefit your needs as best as it can.
Are there any studies comparing sleep patterns from countries in the same time zone, but different hours of light due where they are on the map (i.e. closer to the poles or closer to the ecuator).
As a perfectly normal ADHDer, I don’t keep a perfect diurnal schedule despite sleeping almost out the south-facing window, never with curtains. Let’s not draw broad strokes. As a UnitedStatesian, I’d like to proffer that Daylight time is more popular than Standard time (is it?) because the eastern edge of our current time zones experience something closer to solar time during Daylight time, and that (this is the point I’m not sure of) populations are concentrated toward the eastern edge of our time zones? I’m just outside of Chicago, which informs my perspective.
There's something that annoys me slightly about the "time not sincronized with the sun" argument and I'm probably totally off with this, but aren't most EU countries in the same timezone despite not being geographically aligned along a meridian line at all. Wouldn't that affect them as well without daylight savings
You can hear the passion in your voice ahaha! As a student paramedic in Sydney... I can tell you the worst moment of the year is watching the clock go backwards while waiting in the ED! GAAAAH! The universal groans of all the staff is heard wide and far!
Not in the same field of work, but we had a guy (now retired) who planned our shifts and he always made sure that the same people worked on both time change weekends of the year, so that they "get even with themselves hours wise".
I was so happy to hear we would stop turning our clocks twice a year... only to be disappointed that my non-DST international friends will permanently be an extra hour behind me all year round now. :(
I actually like extra daytime in the afternoon. Unless you change work hours based on sunlight, the summer time DST is the absolute best for me. My sleeptime doesnt change at all over the year, which may not be healthy but nevertheless it is what it is. I work inside all day and I am much more unhappy if i go to work in the dark and get home in the dark, in summer i can get home and actually enjoy sunlight. Changing it would just make my life suck.
Daylight Savings Time is basically the result of 3 constraints: 1. People want to get up shortly after the sun rises 2. People want their work to start shortly after they wake up 3. Work always starts at the same time. Historically, two big time changes were the only practical way to achieve this. But nowadays, with almost all clocks being electronical controlled centrally, disruptions could be avoided by stretching time changes over many days, for example 1 minute per day or 15 minutes per month. Weird that no one has tried this out so far.
“Work starts at the same time” There’s the problem. Shift work needs to flex with seasons. It’s INSANE that a 7am shift might start anywhere from an hour before to an hour after sunrise. It’s awful.
Two criticisms to your suggestion: 1. Scheduling between different latitudes, especially when longitudes are also different, and 2. High latitudes in general, because there’s absolutely no reason to change to “summer time” when summer means constant daylight anyway.
Where I live north north-west of Boston MA, Standard Time is 30 minutes after Local Solar Noon. Daylight Saving Time is 30 minutes before Local Solar Noon. Neither is "correct". I simply want the US to select one and stick to it.
As a software engineer, I don't care that much which one we would stick to, so long as it stopped changing. Honestly, my big preference would be to get rid of time zones. I'm quite happy to say my day starts at 13:00 UTC rather than 9:00 EDT, for instance
Just use UTC for all international scheduling, but leave time zones as a shorthand for approximate local solar time. (If you could convince your fellow Americans to actually use UTC online, or at least specify what they mean with their TLAs [if I give my time zone as UTC+1 instead of CET, I make it simpler for you to figure out what I mean], that would be lovely.)
@@ragnkja my fellow Americans (most of those that I know, anyway) have no idea that there is even a difference between EDT (-4) and EST (-5) and think that daylight savings time is what we have in the winter (when we have standard time). The US education system is horribly inadequate, and people here are proud of that. So it's a struggle lol
As much as I would like that solution (having the entire world on UTC, for instance), it would be a pretty big problem with anyone that works beyond their locale (which is a lot of people, thanks to the internet). Yes, they would no longer have to figure out what time it is in whatever place they are working with, but that is easily ascertained just by knowing the location and looking at the established time zones. What wouldn't be easy would be figuring out every locale's chosen time to operate. With established time zones, we can know what people will be doing around 9 AM even if we don't know exactly when their 9 AM compares to ours (without looking up the difference). With everyone on the same time, one area's 9 AM activities are very different from the rest of the world's 9 AM activities, and there would no longer be a global-spanning system to indicate when those activities would take place for other locales. For example, right now I can say, "I stayed up till 2 AM last night," and everyone knows what that means and how late it was for me at my location, regardless of where my location is. However, if I said, "I stayed up till 8:00 UTC last night," that means nothing to anyone that doesn't know where I am. Did I stay up all night? Did I actually go to bed early? There's no telling.
Exactly. The only effect it actually has is when we decide one day a year is only 23 hours and another is 25. Outside of that the numbers could say whatever they want and our bodies wouldn't know the difference- the issue is that we force everyone into arbitrary 9-5 or similar boxes regardless of whether that aligns at all with the sun, people's personal rhythms, etc
Considering most people wake up later than 7:00am according to my anecdotal evidence (correct me if the actual evidence is otherwise), then it seems most people would benefit more from the daylight saving time, since they would spend more of their wake time when the sun is up, meaning they would wake up closer to sunrise and go to sleep closer to sunset during summer time. I observed on myself that during standard time my day is way shorter because I tend to skip the early sunlight, that I would otherwise get if there would be daylight saving time. I also think that with the standard time winter blues is more likely to occur due to reduced exposure to natural daylight. On the other hand, if the society would just change the schedule by one hour, for example if 9-5 would be 8-4 instead; the standard time wouldn't have the aforementioned detrimental effects IMO.
Interesting but a nonstarter. The studies about sleep deprived children haven't compelled schools to change their hours. Parents simply can't deal with it as their workplaces have next to no flexibility. You are right, it is about capitalism.
I come from a country near equator where there is no daylight saving time. I’m studying in another country that do, and I am not affected much by the changing time since my sleep schedule is chaotic. But I prefer work during evening/night time because I can focus better, thus I am least productive during summer.
I think because when daylight savings ends that’s when we “lose an hour of sleep” that there are going to be (or already are) large percentages of people that misunderstand and think that keeping Daylight Saving Time all year round will actually give us *more* sleep instead of less which is frustrating. the language around a bill that is pro DST and the fact that it’s called the “sunshine protection act” is pretty sneaky too and likely doesn’t help with the confusion about which is actually better for you. :/
I hate that misconception of the winter time when we "get another hour of sleep". You literally only get it during the night where dst ends and only because to account for the time change, the 1-2 am hour is counted twice.
I remember bein in school and the sunrise at 7am was always amazing i know many people care about the sunshine when they get up or go out after work but us 3rd shifters don't have the luxury to care we've been living on a different rhythm all together so it honestly doesn't matter which one becomes standard, we just want a standard
I love the light evenings in summer, but I get what you're saying. The problem with where I live -English Midlands - and is exacerbated the further north you go - is that nights are very short in May - June - July, with it getting light at 3am, sunrise at 4.30am. Removing DST would mean it gets light at 2am. I'd sooner have that extra light later on. At least we're not in China with their crazy single time zone.....
I was just complaining in my head about DST and cycling to work, with DST meaning just as I get morning daylight for my ride, clocks change and it's dark again for another month But my job lets me work whatever hours I want, I could ignore summer time, just start and finish work an hour later
It won't become permanent. They keep saying they'll make it permanent, but we're still changing our clocks. Even if it does become permanent, it would be a mistake. People say that, during the winter months, it won't get light out until 8am, so kids will be going to school in the dark. And if they made standard time permanent, it would get light out at 5am, and start getting dark at 4pm, during the summer months.
The whole world should be one time zone: UTC, and everyone should start their day, when the Sun starts appearing above the horizon at their location on the planet.
I think I answered the poll as wanting to stay on daylight year round only because we’re coming into the time of year where it’s dark at 5 pm and I hate that. But I live on the western edge of the mountain time zone in the US, so during the summer it’s light until after 10 pm and, well, I’m not crazy about that, either. For me, I set a go-to-bed alarm as well as a wake-up alarm so I stay on a consistent sleep schedule, but I definitely notice I feel sleepy earlier in the evening this time of year compared to say July.
I live in Turkey where the government got us stuck on daylight saving time a few years ago, and it is indeed a terrible idea. Everyone is depressed in winter (well, more depressed than usual) due to waking up to no sunlight, energy expenditures have risen significantly (when the change was justified by the government saying it'd reduce energy consumption) and it makes our clocks needlessly out of sync with the rest of the world - in summer we're 1 hour behind friends in Europe, but come November and the different jumps to 2 hours for no reason...
I'd much prefer sticking with standard time. Why even have standard time zones if we're going to be an hour off them anyway? Time zones are already kind of arbitrarily set in the first place. What would be even better would be if we could cut the time zones up even more to go by half hours or quarter hours so there isn't an entire hour difference of daylight between one side of the time zone and the other or an entire shift by an hour on the clock when taking one step across an imaginary line.
No staying on daylight saving time is awesome. Why would anyone want the sun to set earlier…. Everyone has their own schedule what works for you doesn’t work for others
I don’t get this argument at all. We already don’t match the sun. I stay up hours after sunset in the summer and (more) hours past sunset in the winter. I get up hours after sunrise most of the year.
I get this - I am lucky to wake up after sunrise every day, so for years I didn't get the argument. What I realised is that a large % of people are going to work and school in the dark, so on a mass scale it leads to circadian disruption, particularly at the western edges of time zones.
@@braincraft I would say this just makes the case that the issue is not whether we use DST or Standard time but that we are so stupidly inflexible on things like work and school schedules because we insist that they must start at a specific unchanging time year round and regardless of your location/what the sun is doing. While Standard might make it better for the current "average" cases, it will make it worse for others and doesn't actually address the root of that problem. However, picking one time and sticking to it at least fixes the issue of a random 23 hour day and 25 hour day screwing up sleep for a giant chunk of people twice a year
OH WOW. We changed our clocks over the weekend and this week I've been much more tired and unfocused than usual despite sleeping enough... I guess I'm just jet lagged?! This really helps me to go easier on myself
My ideal world would be divided into very few, neatly arranged, timezones, shifting by 4 hours each time, and each city would decide when its schools and work shifts start independently from each other, so that no matter where you are in the timezone region you don't get the delay effects that come from being at the "end" of a timezone. So maybe in New York schools would start at 9AM while in Chicago schools would start at 11AM, but they're both in the same timezone.
I think this circadian rhythm argument is dubious at best... Personally, I'd slightly prefer to have more sunlight in the afternoon like in DST, which means sunlight about 5:00-20:00 in summer and 8:00-16:00 in winter (instead of 4:00-19:00 and 7:00-15:00 like in standard time). But at the end of the day, I'd be glad if my country just finally ditched this annoying switching back and forth, no matter which time zone we would stay in. :)
Correction: the EU decided to stay on "standard time" but the decision did not specify what standard time is to be, it could just as well be permanent "summer time". That would be up to each country. The change is now stuck and there's been no progress so who know when it's going to be implemented....
I was also told when it gets dark earlier people are more likely to go to places like movie theaters bookstores because they can't be outside to enjoy things which leads to more spending which also contradicts what you're saying about people spending more money when there's more sunlight. And driving out at night I definitely see a lot more people heading places at home when it gets dark sooner
I served on nuclear submarines. We switched from a regular 24 hour day to an 18 hour day once submerged to accommodate our three sections of duty, each of which lasted six hours. Acclimating to this for three months while submerged was brutal on our rhythms. During submergence, we had absolutely no idea if it was day or night up on the surface .. no natural reference .. and there was only the lighting in the command passageway to offer a clue. The captain and executive officer conveniently kept to a 24 hour day and required the lighting in their passageway to be switched to red lighting when it was dark on the surface. We crossed many time zones on a typical patrol and the quartermaster kept up with the actual state of light on the surface. We would not stick up our periscope for a look-around or nav fix if it was daylight above. Upon return to port and a standard 24 hour day, we were totally sapped by early afternoon and wanted to retire to bed while our families couldn't understand what was the matter with us. It would take a good week to snap back to 24 hours ... and then it was again time to sail and submerge and do it all again. So I can attest to the severe psychological pain that circadian rhythm interruptions can cause.
The problem is called capitalism 😄 I mean disregarding science and public health makes a lot of sense if you prioritize short term profits over everything else 😄 p.s. Love your videos ❤️
I'm an east coast Australian and I love DST. When October comes around, the sun starts waking me up around 5am, so I am always waiting for DST so that stops. I'm a pro keeping the change each year.
Here's a novel question for you! Has any research ever found or been done which shows a degree to which the time of day you were born at, impacts whether you're a night owl or early bird riser, and the time of day at which you're most productive ? I ask because I was born in the afternoon and I have always been a night owl (thus, my first day started when it was more than half over) and hated how slow I am at getting out of bed in the mornings, even if I go to bed early, to the point that it impacts my employability. 😔
This might be an interesting topic, but I really appose high schools giving out homework and increasing classes into the day. The homework and extracurricular activities that take up a time and take away from sleep. Every student would almost brag about how little sleep he got last night. The teachers can just decide how much homework they give you and unlike college, there is no recourse. You can't take another class. My school was pushing for more periods, meaning more classes, and longer days. They got that wish just after I left. My Mom worked at my school, that's how I know. People often also forget about travel time. Students might have to wake up pretty early if multiple kids had to be dropped off to multiple schools. I don't know how much daylight savings time affected sleep, all I know is that around December, a little under half of kids would start showing up at school before daylight. I do know I had problems one year of receiving so much homework, that between clubs, eating and sleeping I couldn't finish it all. I'm probably one the few people that if I don't get enough sleep, like less than six, I can't function. I usually can't make it to class or school and wake up sick and nauseous. If it's less than nine hours I will feel tired and exhausted all day. Also caffeine doesn't work the same for me, it hits me hard and especially gives me massive headaches and nausea after about six hours
The situation with states such as the one you live in is that you basically have negative standard time, and once DST comes, you have standard time. You should be in Atlantic Standard Time/Atlantic Daylight Time. I feel like scientists or researchers didn’t take states such as yours into consideration.
I dont understand why it matters if we stay on daylight time. In the short term our circadian rhythms would be offset by one hour, but over time wouldnt we just adjust? Say you always eat lunch at 12, wouldnt you just start aiming for lunch at 1pm? What number we assign to the different times of the day is arbitrary. What matters is how we think of and act on those numbers. And i would think over time we would start realigning to our circadian rhythms and reassesing what times are acceptable for what activities. I would prefer to stay on standard given the option, but im not going to lose sleep over being on daylight.
I'm confused how Daylight Savings time is less in tune with our body clocks than Standard time. I usually wake up after sunrise and go to sleep long after sunset, and I don't think I'm in the minority. But during Daylight Savings time, sunrise and sunset are both "later" (meaning they occur at later clock times) while my sleep schedule remains about the same (the same clock time), so doesn't that mean I'm closer to being in sync with the sun?
Also, I know that usually fewer hours of sunlight = higher depression. So I would think with Standard time, if people are awake for fewer hours of daylight, that might be bad for mental health. I recognize this is by no means scientific, just my own, random, highly biased ideas since I like Daylight Savings time.
I feel that there is a big missing element to this debate. With me I am above 45* north so the amount of daylight is much longer than those say in Arizona or Florida in the summer. So to stay on Standard time the sun would be up at 03:00 in the morning and set around 21:00. Winter is dark, so doesn't matter what time we are on. :) I will not be using those early morning hours in the summer but feel I would in the evening. So for me Daylight Saving as a standard would be better.
Even further north (like here in northern Norway) there’s absolutely no point to changing the clocks to get more daylight in the summer because it doesn’t get dark enough for that. I don’t really care whether the midnight sun is at its lowest at 0000 or 0100.
With my chronotype I would love Daylight Savings all the time. I feel constantly in a cloud waking up in the mornings, and the times in my life when I’ve not been forced to stick to the traditional work/school societal schedule have been the clearest and happiest times of my life. My brain turns on around 9 PM and that’s when I’m most alive/productive.
What really pickles my herring is, if you ask someone who likes DST what they think of the idea of starting work an hour earlier so they can go home earlier and enjoy a longer evening, they almost always correctly identify that as an awful idea.
I liked the video; however, I would disagree about your reasoning about PERMANENTLY staying on daylight saving time. People do not make plans based on what number that thing on their wrist reads but based on sunshine. Of course, contracts and other things will need time to adjust, but I would highly doubt that people would keep doing everything one hour earlier just because the clock says. In the long run, it should make no difference, whether we adopt permanent daylight-saving time or permanent normal time (or any other time system you could imagine) - we'd simply switch to working from 10 to 6 instead of 9 to 5. If it were up to me, we should just all switch to using UTC (together with some law that automatically adapts the times specified in contracts written before the change, accordingly), simply to make coordinating international meetings easier.
I live at about 44 degrees North Latitude. There is no amount of monkeying with the clock that is going to give enough light in the evening in winter to make any difference, because the sun just sets pretty early in the afternoon up here. I used to live in Texas and at that latitude, I'd get up in the dark all year around because just about the time the tilt of the earth would have had the sun rising at the time I got up, DST would happen and force me to get up earlier in the morning. I suppose there's a sweet spot on the globe where there's some tangible benefit to making people get up an hour earlier to take advantage of the morning sun, but I can't imagine where that is.
Central europe if you ask me. In winter we have the same problem: dark when getting up, dark when coming home from work, but: DST during winter would mean sun rising at 10 am! (i am already hungry again at 10am;-) ) And during summer time (DST), the sun comes up as early as 5 am. With standard time it would come up at 4 am. That would just be a waste of sunlight. And as there are almost no AC's in private homes, people need the cooler air during DST summers to air out their homes. Satndard times would make that less effective as it would be already way warmer -> i am for keeping the change where i live.
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Thank you. I bloody hate British Summertime and the hassle associated with it. It beggars up sleep patterns, throws off schedules, makes the Livestock Farmer's job harder, etc. BST is a waste of time and BST wastes time.
So, which would you prefer? Standard or Daylight time year-round, or just keep changing the clocks?
Definitely Standard time for me. I hate waking up for work in the dark.
Being in the earlier side of the time zone, I don't care which. I simply want to say on one!
Standard Time always.
When we briefly has to put up with Daylight Savings time (here in Perth), it also meant it became impossible to have certain international work calls with coleagues elsewhere in the world (UK), within normal business hours. So ironically it became necessary to stay an hour later at work, to get things done, or ask the other end to come into work an hour earlier.
Whereas on standard time, the last hour of our working day would overlap with the first hour of their working day.
And personally I prefer less light exposure rather than more, never been a fan of getting sun burnt - but each to their own I guess.
Depends where i live. Close to Equator - no daylight savings.. just find a happy medium. Closer to the poles where the variance of daylight in morning and evening can be balanced by shifting an hour, sure.. lets change the clocks.. Even closer to the poles (think arctic circle/finland/norway) its irellevant, the shift in daylight hours vs night hours is so great that there isnt any point in trying to optimise the daylight hours. While this video takes aim at big business for trying to profit at the cost of the body's natural rhythm, it doesnt address the basic fact that the closer to a pole you get, the more naturally warped daylight hours become. So your natural rhythm will be impacted if you live far north or south anyway.... right?
Definitely Daylight time.
'the golf industry is more influential than scientists and medical professionals'
Our civilisation is so screwed.
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Very true 😓
Money is more influential than knowledge.
I find it even more ironic that the left is becoming less and less about the science or at least only when it’s convenient in recent years
The "rich" play golf but don't have to "be in the office" on time. Who cares that those little people get hurt, there are more of them to be replacements... ( Think Charles Dickens times )
I work with parents and we need to acknowledge how disruptive this time change is to families with children as sleep and mental health are tightly bound.
Yes! Before I had kids I didn't bother with the time change (I just let myself adjust with the sun and would just do things an hour off from everyone else). But with kids and the even more horrible school hours, now I'm tired constantly. I just want to sleep
I decided to completely ignore daylight saving time for sleeping. I take advantage of my flexible working times and set my alarm to sunrise. And it works. I‘m sleeping better and don‘t even know the last time i heard my alarm, because i wake up a few minutes before. Also great: In summer i‘m leaving work at 2pm because i‘m starting early.
Growing up, I thought "waking up with the Sun" was meant as a metaphor, because there's no way that would be healthy at my latitude. I don't even know how it would work in June when the Sun doesn't set or in December when it doesn't really rise. *Obviously* I'm up before the Sun in December, and equally obviously I go to bed while it's still light in May-July and partway through August.
You are right. This doesn‘t work for people who live near the polar circles. I‘m living in southern germany. So it‘s ok.
@@masterhaemi
I suppose I live "near" the Arctic Circle, seeing as I live a degree north of it x)
Where do you guys live? Because where I'm from, waking up with the sun in the summer means being up at 4 am, and sun set is around 9pm. In the winter sun comes up at 8am, most people are already at work, and sun sets by 4pm, most people are still at work. Moving it back an hour like DST means you at least get to see some sun on your way out the door from work, otherwise you'd live in total darkness all winter.
DST during the summer really doesn't matter much, but during the winter, it would be a HUGE benefit to mental health, and vitamin D production.
@@Nabeelco
As mentioned above, masterhaemi lives in southern Germany and I live in the Arctic Circle (specifically in northern Norway).
I've always been surprised that people allow the government telling them what time it is to actually affect their behavior. In other words, businesses or schools could just open sooner or later if they decided it's best for their people. Our society just has it so ingrained that 9-5 is business hours, when in fact a lot of people have different schedules.
On my winter solstice, the sun rises at 11 and sets at 17. I am excited to begin working at 6:30 so I can get off work and still have daylight, and my employer (a federal agency) is accepting of this. Of course, this is possible because I'm working from home with a team 3 time zones east. I know not all occupations can be this flexible, but it won't hurt to ask.
Unfortunately if most of those around you go by those hours, it is easiest and most sensible to go with that. Path of least resistance.
Exactly. Spain has the same time zone as Germany, and they tend to shift their daily routine to later hours. It's always said that it's a cultural thing, but I wonder if that shift is just simply due to their "natural" time zone. Maybe everyone should stick to UTC. Then making appointments across time zones is a nonissue. You just have to find out whether dinner is at 5 pm or 4 am. Maybe just as confusing :-D
@@Pferdekopfnebel
Timezones are a good shorthand for what time of day it is, but using UTC for inter-timezone scheduling definitely makes things easier. And if we could all stay on the same offset year-round it would be even easier.
I've tried to stay on the same time without switching and it's really inconvenient when the rest of the world changes their schedule by an hour.
I need more light. Having almost no daylight by time your day is done is incredibly depressing and I need to go on medication.
I wouldn't be surprised if S.A.D. on a larger level is correlated with "fall behind", though it is hard to prove causation.
I can't create sunshine when I want it, but people who like it dark early can put up a blackout curtain and go to bed.
I agree. I don’t have S.A.D., but I would often feel tired and demotivated to do my homework back when I was in high school once daylight saving time ended.
Yes!!! This comment! Thank you.
Imagine being powerful enough to force the nations to change their clocks, but not enough to ask your boss to leave an hour earlier
Indeed, just changing business hours would achieve the same economic benefits.
@@RictusHolloweye
Gotta meet that grind, eh? 😓
@@RictusHolloweye Fuck the economic benefits.
Would this actually change anything though? If I'm understating correctly, you're suggesting working 8-4 instead of 9-5 and then even if the sun's setting at 5 you'll get that hour of sunlight. But then wasn't the whole draw of standard time that you are waking up when it's light out and that still gives you enough time to get to work? Won't that not be possible if work start time is moved up an hour? Unless what you mean is we work 7 hours a day instead of 8, which I'm super duper on board with, though I think I'll have a harder time convincing my boss of that than switching the national time settings 😂
@@superaarthi yes, it actually would change the life of that one specific entomologist Hudson. And keep everyone around untouched.
As a software engineer, I just want every country to organize their changes into one document so we only have to update all the computers on Earth with everyone’s new timezone rules once.
As a human who lives too far from the equator to feel any benefits of changing the clock back and forth, only the drawbacks, I would like that as well.
As another software engineer,I just want timezones thrown out the window and everyone to switch to UTC personally 😂. Let's just adjust the times of things locally to line up with the sun how we want rather than playing with arbitrary lines that cause so much headache 😅
Same. Anyone who works with scheduling or calendars knows that daylight savings is a pox on this forsaken planet
@@ragnkja
It's the ones far from the equator that first started it.
@@Robert-cu9bm
I’m even further from the equator than that. “Summer time” doesn’t give me any benefits because there’s no lack of daylight in the summer evenings to begin with, as the sun doesn’t set at all for over a month and I don’t have true night (end of astronomical twilight) between the beginning of April and almost the middle of September.
I really don't care which one becomes permanent as long as the time change stops.
We are all so tired
I was going to make a very similar comment. But I'll just put this reply here instead. 😛
I care! I wake up at 5:45 in Chicago and I don't like it being so dark when I wake up
@@monicaganderson9431 without the switch, we'll be looking at sunrises past 8 AM in the winter. As if Chicago winters weren't annoying enough already.
Right, we can fix what times we do things at once we stop moving clocks. In particular, I don't see why the particular '7' number on the clock matters. As long as work and bed starts at a good rhythm.
There are errors in this video: (1) the value of permanent DST depending on how well the current timezone reflects the local sunrise/-set and (2) the EU didn't "scrap DST", it is letting members pick one or the other.
I just want the change back and forth to end more than anything. I hold this opinion much more strongly now that I'm a parent. It wrecks kid's sleep routines.
I'm from Mexico, and this was the last time we had to change our clocks. I was pretty sad about it cause I love leaving work and being able to see the sunset, but now everytime I leave work it's already dark and I feel like I don't have much time to do the things I want. This video made me feel a lot better about the change.
But here's the thing: we don't have the AC overuse problem like in the US. At least not in the vast majority of our territory.
There's also an argument to be made about all of us (literally) poor people who don't have a car, and we either have to wait in a random -now dark- street for some form of public transportation or, worst case scenario, go back home walking.
I don't think this change to be really beneficial to developing countries where most people don't use or own a car nor an AC system and where crime rate is just insane. And we surely weren't manipulated because of golf or trick or treating. Kids here don't even go for trick or treating.
Speaking of kids, literally half of them (teenagers included) go to school in the evenings. In the summer time schedule, they used to get out of school as soon as it starts to get dark. Now they have to permanently go home when it already is completely dark.
This may work for some countries, but Mexico? I don't think so.
If I was a Mexican, I’d be sad. Rip the nice and late sunsets.
I live in a Mexican city that really could use the mountain time rather than the central time. I'm still gonna miss those 9 PM sunsets in the summer, and also it'll technically be a new experience for me because i was born when dst was adopted by us every year. I've literally never lived a year where I didn't have to change the clock,
The biggest issue (and of course this apply to almost anything) is that people tend to only focus on themselves and how they would be affected. People also seem to forget that different parts of a time zone can have big differences in sunrise/sunset (eastern time zone having the biggest variance in the US) and just the fact that the sun is out longer in the summer than the winter so not all the benefits of Daylight Savings can be attributed to the time change. Winters will be darker no matter what and Summer brighter.
So are you pro time change?
i'm on the east coast and i also think that daylight savings is dumb. sunlight is nice and all, but mental and physical health is nicer.
Stay on Standard Time BUT also move work and school to an hour later in the day
I mainly want the clock switching twice a year to end, but would prefer daylight savings year round. The adjustment period after the change gets worse the older I get. I likely have seasonal affected disorder, it's so hard to get anything productive done after work during the winter. It's just so dark, it's awful.
My personal feeling about this, as someone suffering with depression and anxiety all my life, I cant stand when the sun sets at 4:00 -3:00 PM during the winter ( i live quite North) The day is short enough during the cold months, and when the clock changes at the end of October, I struggle a lot. I hate that change with every ounce of my body
Daylight "saving" time, giving us "more" daylight in summer. The season known for longer days and more sunlight. If anything we should do the opposite. I'm all for more sun in the evening, it hate it getting dark at 4:30 in winter lol. I don't care about mornings in general. Dark mornings would be kinda cool anyway.
Yeah, I don't exactly need more daylight at the time of year when I technically don't have night for more than five months.
I have to think if we finally fixed daylight savings, either by nixing it or fixing it in place, school boards could and maybe would adjust their hours to keep kids out of the dark ss much as possible.
There's already a difference between people living on one edge or the other of a time zone, and giving schools more control over their schedules if they dont have it could fix that desparity as well...
I agree on this! After quarantine many schools also have technology and plans already created for virtual classes. Perhaps they could offer virtual classes for the coldest/darkest months, which would also possibly increase overall safety by getting cars off the road driving kids to school?
I live in the Yukon, a northern territory of Canada that ditched the time change a few years ago. "YST" is UTM-7 year round, making solar noon roughly 14:00 daily. (It's daylight time.) Our population voted for this over the alternative because we're going to work and school in the dark in winter no matter what, and at least this way kids don't get off the school bus in the dark. (I must mention that it just doesn't get dark mid-summer.) Whenever I hear of research about circadian rhythms, I wonder how little of it applies to circumpolar societies.
I'd be really curious to find research on this topic, particularly as a Northern-dwelling mixed-race Inuk bipolar.
As another Arctic native (northern Norway), I also wonder how that research applies to high latitudes, because the effects of changing the clocks back and forth are completely dwarfed by the effects of the seasons themselves. Do I really care if the midnight sun is at its lowest around 0000 or 0100?
Yeah, I heard that y’all got permanent DST two years ago since y’all are so up North and no matter what, it’ll be dark in the mornings during winters.
Having DST instead of standard time is still better because y’all still will get a more even number of daylight hours during March and September.
Distance from the equator is the only thing that matters to us mid-latitude people, let me tell you. I don’t know how you do what you do, and I don’t know how the Daylight/Standard time debate is even a thing given the amazing time dilation/contraction our daylight hours experience throughout the year. At mid latitudes. Mid latitudes.
Folks, we had had permanent daylight saving time here in Russia for like five years in 2010s... It was one of the first things that got abolished, with universal cheers across the whole society. Won't recommend it 😏
Fascinating, thank you for your perspective 🍻 (my version of universal cheers hehe)
@@braincraft It's even more confusing: as standard time zones in Russia are already shifted by an hour ever since 1931, at that period of time there was constant double saving time. Now it is back to "standard", which is in fact constant saving. Apart from some regions at the very east of particular time zones, made up by merging the adjacent ones.
So if you want a happy schedule and some healthy sleep, there are options only along the Volga river and some patches of Taiga lands.
Framing it as Standard Time vs DST really bothers me, because frankly the numbers we slap on the clock are arbitrary. Our circadian rhythms can sync with the rise of the sun just fine whatever number we happen to be using. Heck, we could set sunrise to 0:00 (ignoring latitudes differences for simplicity) and that wouldn’t inherently result in any change.
The problem is, as you alluded to, the forced waking up prior to sunrise. And if we switched to standard time, companies could just lobby to have school and work start earlier and we’d run into the exact same issue. Heck, this becomes a problem at extreme latitudes even without the clock change, just due to the rapid day-to-day change of sunrise relative to our physical clocks. At the summer solstice, at standard time sunrise would be almost 4am where am. At the winter solstice, almost 8am. This would still have most people here waking up before sunrise in winter, and sleep well past sunrise in summer.
The entire reason we have such strict time zones shared between all latitudes in the first place comes back to one of your points - money. In a globalized economy, it is far more convenient to run on a universal standard that is easy to convert. But with the capabilities of current technology, there is no reason we can’t operate a globalized economy with far more localized times. So I think fighting for Standard Time is not only a bit naïve, but also sorely lacking in ambition. If we truly want to fight for a system that allows people all over the world to get the best sleep possible for their health, we need to scrap the current paradigm altogether and go back to the drawing board.
FUN FACT! In Argentina we are stuck in DST since the 70's, long story short one of the many coup we had "kind of forgot" to issue a decree that year and then we kept it that way to be "in sync" with our biggest comercial partner: Brazil.
We should be on GMT -4 but we use GMT -3.
It would be easier to just shift our culture, the numbers are arbitrary anyway. Have school start later (another scientifically supported idea).
Also this does nothing either way to graveyard and other night shift people, except maybe get a bit better sleep as they may get to sleep before the sun rises more often.
Spain has been in a "constant" DST for almost 100 years (plus one hour during the official DST period of the year) and it created a very specific lifestyle.
I explain: geographically, Spain should be in the same time zone as Portugal and UK, but instead opted to follow European Central Time, to be "more connected to the rest of Europe" or something like that (I don't really remember the reason). Now people have lunch at 2 PM and have dinner at 10 PM. And the leisure culture and industry in Spain is very strong and it has one of the highest life expectancies in the world.
That's time zones, not daylight saving.
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But it does address the question of which timezone to use on a permanent basis.
I was always in favour of sticking to standard time slightly ahead of sticking to summer time.
Just because noon is when the sun is the highest, standard time makes more sense, which is why it was the standard.
It definitely makes sense that we have evolved with all of this as a big factor.
I'm a huge proponent of permanent standard time, partly because I'm at Western end of my time zone and I have to get my kids to school early in the morning and the increased amount of the year that it's dark in the morning makes that harder, and for kids who walk to school especially, way more dangerous. But the difference in opinions on Daylight Saving Time often has to do with where you're situated in your time zone, which makes me wonder if we also need to adjust time zones so they all match the standard 15 degree width instead of some getting very wide in places.
Exactly. It depends on if one is living west, middle, or east of a time zone. I feel like it’s not black and white.
I'm just a single degree west of the nominal centre of my time zone, but I'm also 67° north of the Equator, where the benefits of switching back and forth are nonexistent because the seasons affect the daylight hours far more. Does it matter when solar noon is if the Sun doesn't rise? Does it matter when solar midnight is if the Sun doesn't set?
@@ragnkja that’s what I wonder for folks like you.
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All this debate about a one-hour difference, and here I am with a literal 12-hour difference between the solstices.
@@ragnkja that’s true
I actually have some problems following those arguments. I think this is heavily depending on where you live on the globe and how big your summer winter change actually is and also when you need to get up and sleep.
I don’t understand why it should not save (at least some) energy. Here in Berlin in summer time most of the time I don’t have to switch on the light at all. Not in the morning and not in the evening, without that change I would have to do it in the evening. It might not be much for me alone but adding up for a million people that should count. I never understood why an air conditioner makes any difference (that is because of temp and not light) or what ever this effect should actually cancel out? Sure for some, which have to get up very early or in other parts of the world it might be different.
I also think that the health issues for this one hour change are widely exaggerated, if that would be the case having jet lag would kill you instantly and using a flight would need a serious warning. When I was working in home-office I didn't even notice this the last two years (having all clock auto correct). Sure some people might be more sensitive but I have serious doubts because of that they will get any long term damages … sorry but that seems just silly. There are for sure a billion things we do that are on a different level of health impact : smoking, drinking, partying through the night, eating too much … and you know what, all this is sometimes okay. To live will kill you one day!
Especially in Berlin the long days in summer are just magic, you feel loaded with energy and the nights are not even really dark … which of course someone would claim to be unhealthy again ... well, they can shut their window and close their shutters :p
Also in Berlin there is no chaos about this what so ever .. never had any issues for the last 30 years.
It’s fucking ridiculous and I’m tired of it.
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This has given me something to think about. I've been in favor of ending the time change for years, and it didn't matter to me which time we stuck to. Frankly I didn't think it mattered. After every time change there's a period of adjustment, but I eventually end up aligning my sleep schedule with the clock. Basically jet lag without the travel, so to me the change was always the problem, not what the hour hand said.
I guess I underestimated the role the sun has in our circadian rhythm, because so much of my life has been tied to the clock rather than to the sun. And this is all the more achievable with how we can control our environments and block out both the sun and the darkness.
Assuming people (including those who run businesses) set their hours in a way that makes sense locally it shouldn’t matter too much which timezone is chosen. As an example of a country that is on “summer time” in the winter and “double summer time” in the summer, look at Spain, which should be in the same timezone as the UK (UTC) as it is located between 9° west and 3° east, but is actually using CET (UTC+1) in the winter and CEST (UTC+2) in the summer. To “compensate for” this misalignment they shift everything a bit later in the day (according to the clock) so that they end up on a schedule that’s comfortable for them.
The EU conducted a public survey on whether to abolish DST. A majority voted to abolish it, but nothing has happened since.
It's the same in the USA, but since no one can agree on if it should be permanent at DST or Standard, nothing changes.
It's important to realize what switching timezones really means. It's not that it suddenly actually is later or earlier on the day, noon is noon whether it's at 12:00 or 14:00. It's that all your appointments, many contract-bound, get shifted. Daylight saving time therefore just means: You need to get up 1 hour earlier in the day.
This video stresses me out. I would LOVE if we stayed on summer time year around. Lesser option, I would prefer to keep things as they are. I’m honestly super stressed about the idea of being on winter time all year. I’m a “night person”, I spent years trying to change that, but science says that’s just not possible, you’re born with what you’re born with. So now I comfortably live in a night shift world, but I LOVE the sun and day time and miss it. Switching to permanent winter time would rob me of much needed sunlight I very heavily rely on for my mental health.
Right? Idgaf if the sun rises at like noon, I just don't want it to set at 5 pm.
I completely agree with you.
I wonder if scientists and researchers ever researched on the affects of DST for night owls. Also, DST reduced the affects of S.A.D. too.
Whenever there are studies on sleep and human routine, I often wonder what the effects would be if the study was carried out on night shift workers (being one myself). I am aware that working at night and sleeping during the day is bad for your health in general, but what is the effect of DST specifically on people with 'inverted' sleep schedules? For example, I normally go to sleep in the morning and wake up in the afternoon, so daylight time would be better for me: later sunrises would make it easier to fall asleep while it's still dark-ish, and I'd have more daylight left in the afternoon/evening when I'm just waking up and starting my daily routine.
Shift workers and people at high latitudes (and shift workers at high latitudes!) always seem to be ignored in this kind of debates.
I suspect that a certain percentage of human beings have always been night owls naturally. And that difference is ok. Even before electric lighting became common in the 20th century, and before clocks became common in the 19th century. Pubs are a business as old as time. It's usually the morning larks that get really wound up about having more sun in the morning. And no matter how healthy you are, when your time is up that's it, game over. For me it's the sudden time change twice a year that's the worst part. The rest of the time I'll be using curtains and lights as needed.
I think scientists are forgetting that the states who want permanent daylight saving time such as Alabama, should actually be in Eastern Time, because their solar noon does not hit 12 pm or after (standard time) for most of the year. Alabama is in central time and them having permanent DST basically puts them on the right time zone (they just don’t have DST ever).
Also, doesn’t permanent DST reduce the affects of seasonal depression?
Also, even though DST is artificial, wouldn’t our normal schedule of 12am-11:59pm be kind of artificial too?
When I lived in Arizona, which doesn't change their clocks, it was super difficult to work remotely with folks in other states who did. Google Calendar was not at the time equipped to deal. Excellent video, Vanessa!
THANK YOU.
The sun has risen after 8 AM for a few weeks here. It’s absolute hell. Why do we do this?
Yes I know this happens in the depths of the winter - but it’s always dark in winter, that’s not a problem!
I would prefer DST all year long as I feel best during that time. There are studies showing that school should start later anyway, which would not make for kids starting their days in the dark. Work days should follow suit as well.
Summer time (or DST) means that you start your day earlier, not later. After all, solar noon is an hour later on the clock during summer time.
In the USA we already spend 8 months on DST and only 4 on "Standard"; it's not "Standard" if it's only 1/3 of the time. Set it to DST and LEAVE it there.
In my part of Canada, once Daylight Savings ends this weekend it might be the last clock change we do if things go according to plan!
I thought in Canada, many of y’all voted for permanent Daylight Saving?
@@lowercaseletters_ I looked it up. It's not our choice on wither or not it's permanent.
We are wanting to stay in sync with the nearby US states (Washington, California, and Oregon) so if they're permanent, we're going permanent. Otherwise we'd be one hour behind all the time which is not good for those that have to frequent the border and the economy.
@@lowercaseletters_ I think most of us voted for not changing the clocks twice a year and didn't really care which one we stopped on. There are just a few folks that feel strongly about Standard vs Daylight, because there's a handful of weeks of the year where the sun will come up at 8-9 instead of 7-8. But dark winters are just reality in the north, that's why all our snowbirds migrate to Arizona and Florida when we retire haha.
@@bruce-le-smith I understand the case for standard time all year long and it makes sense.
It will suck to not be on daylight saving during mid March through first week of November. (Almost 8 months of the year which is majority of the year.)
As far north as I live, the amount of daylight changes so much during the year that I don't really care if we're at summer time or standard, but the changing always messes me up. It was supposed to end last year, but EU bureaucracy stalled for covid and now the war.
Nope it was "stalled" because there is no consensus about which one they should switch to. The rather small poll the EU did which covered 80 000 votes (from several hundred million inhabitants because no one knew about the poll) had the same amount of people wanting summer time as they had winter time, and some voters to keep it the way it is.
Some countries want to switch to summer time, some to winter time permanently, and you would for example in some cases then have a 2 hour time change when crossing a non existing border... The EU officials don't want that to happen. And forcing either of the times onto the population would mean that you have less than 50% of people satisfied. (remember when you have 40% for summer, 40% for winter and 20% for keeping it, and you choose one, you have 60% of the people who disagree with you...)
@@nirfz This is why I think the poll should never have been done. The support for the concept was specifically to stop shifting twice a year, and which one to remain is a rather minor detail that the officials should've just hashed out because of course it'll get a stalemate on a detail that's irrelevant, resulting in the main thing not happening and everyone being unhappy.
@@jhosioja Have to say i am not unhappy. I actually prefer it as it is.
Either time chosen for the whole year would be shittier as it is today in one season of the year. And the shift of one hour twice a year isn't any different than the difference between getting up on a workday and on a day off.
And that happens way more often than twice a year.
I think most people just complain because media tells them to complain, but few think about what really changes for them, or what it means. Most use their phone and computers for reading time, and they don't even need to adjust these devices so no work. In earlier times people had to set the time at their oven, vhs recorder, several clocks around the house, their car and their wristwatch. Most of that's gone for most people. But they still complain about the DST shift when they have an even bigger mini jetlag from sunday to monday. So no matter which one you would choose peple would complain.
@@nirfz That's fair. For me though, the time for sunrise and sunset changes by more than an hour every few weeks. Still get 3 hour days in december and 3 hour nights at summer. DST happening at different times in different countries makes scheduling shit with online friends a mess twice a year. And yet, it makes not a lick of difference to the amount of available daylight. Also, at least in Finland, studies have found an increased incidence of depression, stress, efficiency and concentration right after the shift to summer time, as well as a noticeable increase in traffic accidents.
As I've gotten away from punching a clock, I just sleep when I'm sleepy and get up when I'm not. Still, being in a culture that's messed up does have a knock-on effect that I can feel.
And you scored spot #1 for your poster!! I've never had anything lower than #6 million. Maybe that speaks the the quality of my research?🤐
It really gives me a sour taste that the discussion about staying up too late is framed about that we MUST have winter time rather than about that we are staying at work too damn late.
Honestly this. I'm typing this at near 2am here and the fact that I'm up has nothing to do with when the sun goes down. It's the fact that I'm often working till 7pm, then it's off to make dinner, and I want at least a handful of hours for myself before I sleep and repeat this the next day.
I would prefer year round daylight savings time. I find it extremely depressing in the winter to come home in the dark. Regardless of which time we choose, I have to wake up before the sun rises either way. So why would I choose Standard time, which will causes me to both leave and return to my house in the dark, when daylight at least allows me to get some daylight at the end of my day?
I would have it totally different:
My idea is that every nation adapts GMT and that you just get used to e.g. eating at 5 instead of 12... I think that after a short period where its hard getting used to, everyone will adapt and the pros outweigh the cons.
I am so with you. I live in GMT +10. My oven and car both show GMT. I have no issues going to work for 23:00 and leaving work about 07:30. Unified GMT / UTC is the way forward! Unless we want to get into a discussion about Mean Sidereal Time! :)
Timezones are a useful shorthand for "what time of day is it in X?" Scheduling between timezones should definitely be done using UTC though.
This is one thought
I would prefer standard. And those who like changing the clocks, usually today you can have flexible work hours so you could change those how you want, without disturbing other people. Of course, it will not always be possible and sometimes school or other people schedule would not allow it, but its still fairer than alternatives. The most ridiculous thing is that trains have to stop for hour once a year, and be hour late another time.
The thing is, while it may be healthier for our bodies if we slept earlier and slept more, I'm going to be sleeping somewhere between midnight and 1am regardless of when the sun goes down. Between work and other adult responsibilities, if I want time for myself in the day, I have to sacrifice sleep to get it and it's a sacrifice I make gladly. I don't think I'm alone in this either- most of my generation are overworked and underslept, but we need time for ourselves as much as we need sleep. And having more sunlight in the evenings makes that little bit of time for ourselves nicer. I know you feel like it's "a bit of fun" and that it's not worth destroying your health over, but I assure you, I'll destroy my health for much less.
I've heard of too many 'ultra healthy' people having a short life due to some accident or a genetic flaw. No matter how much yoga you do, tea you drink, or sunrise you count, you never know when your time will be up. It's better to be your authentic self!
Nothing against your other arguments, but keep in mind that sleeping is also "time for yourself" actually more so than anything else.
@nirfz I get that sleeping is also benefiting me and thus can be considered "time for myself", but I'm also literally not conscious for it. Rest and play are both human needs, but they both end up scrunched into the "not-work" time (which is also taken up by commuting, cooking, cleaning, caring for pets/children, etc). Even if I'm sleeping only 6 hrs a night, that still typically leaves even less than that for play, at least on weekdays. So I'm choosing to spend my free time *doing* things I enjoy, because the need for play is worth taking time from rest. I understand and accept that I'm also taking time from my longevity, but while the lack of rest is felt in the long term, the lack of agency and ability to spend time enjoyably is felt immediately. If you don't want people destroying their futures to survive the now, then we need workplace reform so that people aren't essentially forced to choose.
@@superaarthi See, i am over 40 now, and i feel more effect on sleep deprivation than when not being able to "have time for myself". It is way harder to concentrate at work and not being sleepy when work is over than when i get enough sleep.
I even feel body effects like headache ect. when i get too little sleep.
In earlier years, the effect on me was way less, and so i do value sleep over any "fun activity" by now. As it actualy makes my body feel better, while an activity that i like is good for my psyche i choose what lessens actual pain.
This of course differs from person to person and rhgough the different ages.
So all the best to you and may your choosing benefit your needs as best as it can.
Are there any studies comparing sleep patterns from countries in the same time zone, but different hours of light due where they are on the map (i.e. closer to the poles or closer to the ecuator).
As a perfectly normal ADHDer, I don’t keep a perfect diurnal schedule despite sleeping almost out the south-facing window, never with curtains. Let’s not draw broad strokes. As a UnitedStatesian, I’d like to proffer that Daylight time is more popular than Standard time (is it?) because the eastern edge of our current time zones experience something closer to solar time during Daylight time, and that (this is the point I’m not sure of) populations are concentrated toward the eastern edge of our time zones? I’m just outside of Chicago, which informs my perspective.
There's something that annoys me slightly about the "time not sincronized with the sun" argument and I'm probably totally off with this, but aren't most EU countries in the same timezone despite not being geographically aligned along a meridian line at all. Wouldn't that affect them as well without daylight savings
And where I live, the seasons themselves are the biggest influence on how light or dark my mornings and evenings are.
You can hear the passion in your voice ahaha!
As a student paramedic in Sydney... I can tell you the worst moment of the year is watching the clock go backwards while waiting in the ED! GAAAAH! The universal groans of all the staff is heard wide and far!
Not in the same field of work, but we had a guy (now retired) who planned our shifts and he always made sure that the same people worked on both time change weekends of the year, so that they "get even with themselves hours wise".
I was so happy to hear we would stop turning our clocks twice a year... only to be disappointed that my non-DST international friends will permanently be an extra hour behind me all year round now. :(
I actually like extra daytime in the afternoon. Unless you change work hours based on sunlight, the summer time DST is the absolute best for me. My sleeptime doesnt change at all over the year, which may not be healthy but nevertheless it is what it is. I work inside all day and I am much more unhappy if i go to work in the dark and get home in the dark, in summer i can get home and actually enjoy sunlight. Changing it would just make my life suck.
Daylight Savings Time is basically the result of 3 constraints:
1. People want to get up shortly after the sun rises
2. People want their work to start shortly after they wake up
3. Work always starts at the same time.
Historically, two big time changes were the only practical way to achieve this.
But nowadays, with almost all clocks being electronical controlled centrally, disruptions could be avoided by stretching time changes over many days, for example 1 minute per day or 15 minutes per month. Weird that no one has tried this out so far.
“Work starts at the same time”
There’s the problem. Shift work needs to flex with seasons. It’s INSANE that a 7am shift might start anywhere from an hour before to an hour after sunrise. It’s awful.
Two criticisms to your suggestion: 1. Scheduling between different latitudes, especially when longitudes are also different, and
2. High latitudes in general, because there’s absolutely no reason to change to “summer time” when summer means constant daylight anyway.
Everyone one of those statements is false
Saying standard time is healthier is like saying everyone should be a morning person
Where I live north north-west of Boston MA, Standard Time is 30 minutes after Local Solar Noon. Daylight Saving Time is 30 minutes before Local Solar Noon. Neither is "correct". I simply want the US to select one and stick to it.
As a software engineer, I don't care that much which one we would stick to, so long as it stopped changing.
Honestly, my big preference would be to get rid of time zones. I'm quite happy to say my day starts at 13:00 UTC rather than 9:00 EDT, for instance
Just use UTC for all international scheduling, but leave time zones as a shorthand for approximate local solar time. (If you could convince your fellow Americans to actually use UTC online, or at least specify what they mean with their TLAs [if I give my time zone as UTC+1 instead of CET, I make it simpler for you to figure out what I mean], that would be lovely.)
@@ragnkja my fellow Americans (most of those that I know, anyway) have no idea that there is even a difference between EDT (-4) and EST (-5) and think that daylight savings time is what we have in the winter (when we have standard time). The US education system is horribly inadequate, and people here are proud of that.
So it's a struggle lol
As much as I would like that solution (having the entire world on UTC, for instance), it would be a pretty big problem with anyone that works beyond their locale (which is a lot of people, thanks to the internet). Yes, they would no longer have to figure out what time it is in whatever place they are working with, but that is easily ascertained just by knowing the location and looking at the established time zones. What wouldn't be easy would be figuring out every locale's chosen time to operate. With established time zones, we can know what people will be doing around 9 AM even if we don't know exactly when their 9 AM compares to ours (without looking up the difference). With everyone on the same time, one area's 9 AM activities are very different from the rest of the world's 9 AM activities, and there would no longer be a global-spanning system to indicate when those activities would take place for other locales.
For example, right now I can say, "I stayed up till 2 AM last night," and everyone knows what that means and how late it was for me at my location, regardless of where my location is. However, if I said, "I stayed up till 8:00 UTC last night," that means nothing to anyone that doesn't know where I am. Did I stay up all night? Did I actually go to bed early? There's no telling.
Fun fact: Changing the numbers on clocks neither adds nor removes daylight.
Exactly. The only effect it actually has is when we decide one day a year is only 23 hours and another is 25. Outside of that the numbers could say whatever they want and our bodies wouldn't know the difference- the issue is that we force everyone into arbitrary 9-5 or similar boxes regardless of whether that aligns at all with the sun, people's personal rhythms, etc
Considering most people wake up later than 7:00am according to my anecdotal evidence (correct me if the actual evidence is otherwise), then it seems most people would benefit more from the daylight saving time, since they would spend more of their wake time when the sun is up, meaning they would wake up closer to sunrise and go to sleep closer to sunset during summer time. I observed on myself that during standard time my day is way shorter because I tend to skip the early sunlight, that I would otherwise get if there would be daylight saving time. I also think that with the standard time winter blues is more likely to occur due to reduced exposure to natural daylight. On the other hand, if the society would just change the schedule by one hour, for example if 9-5 would be 8-4 instead; the standard time wouldn't have the aforementioned detrimental effects IMO.
I think I would like to stay in summer time all year round.
Interesting but a nonstarter. The studies about sleep deprived children haven't compelled schools to change their hours. Parents simply can't deal with it as their workplaces have next to no flexibility. You are right, it is about capitalism.
Sadly the EU can't agree on summer or winter time, so the scrapping is currently delayed.
Another way to have 1 more hour of sunlight after work, is to work 1 hour less.
I come from a country near equator where there is no daylight saving time. I’m studying in another country that do, and I am not affected much by the changing time since my sleep schedule is chaotic. But I prefer work during evening/night time because I can focus better, thus I am least productive during summer.
I think because when daylight savings ends that’s when we “lose an hour of sleep” that there are going to be (or already are) large percentages of people that misunderstand and think that keeping Daylight Saving Time all year round will actually give us *more* sleep instead of less which is frustrating. the language around a bill that is pro DST and the fact that it’s called the “sunshine protection act” is pretty sneaky too and likely doesn’t help with the confusion about which is actually better for you. :/
I hate that misconception of the winter time when we "get another hour of sleep". You literally only get it during the night where dst ends and only because to account for the time change, the 1-2 am hour is counted twice.
@@noelaguirrechavez4462 Ikr!! I think people just get confused and then don’t make the effort to understand it but idk
I remember bein in school and the sunrise at 7am was always amazing i know many people care about the sunshine when they get up or go out after work but us 3rd shifters don't have the luxury to care we've been living on a different rhythm all together so it honestly doesn't matter which one becomes standard, we just want a standard
Your sense of humor was really shining throughout the entire video, love it! Also stop change the damn time back and forth
I love the light evenings in summer, but I get what you're saying. The problem with where I live -English Midlands - and is exacerbated the further north you go - is that nights are very short in May - June - July, with it getting light at 3am, sunrise at 4.30am. Removing DST would mean it gets light at 2am. I'd sooner have that extra light later on.
At least we're not in China with their crazy single time zone.....
I was just complaining in my head about DST and cycling to work, with DST meaning just as I get morning daylight for my ride, clocks change and it's dark again for another month
But my job lets me work whatever hours I want, I could ignore summer time, just start and finish work an hour later
It won't become permanent. They keep saying they'll make it permanent, but we're still changing our clocks.
Even if it does become permanent, it would be a mistake. People say that, during the winter months, it won't get light out until 8am, so kids will be going to school in the dark.
And if they made standard time permanent, it would get light out at 5am, and start getting dark at 4pm, during the summer months.
The whole world should be one time zone: UTC, and everyone should start their day, when the Sun starts appearing above the horizon at their location on the planet.
I think I answered the poll as wanting to stay on daylight year round only because we’re coming into the time of year where it’s dark at 5 pm and I hate that. But I live on the western edge of the mountain time zone in the US, so during the summer it’s light until after 10 pm and, well, I’m not crazy about that, either. For me, I set a go-to-bed alarm as well as a wake-up alarm so I stay on a consistent sleep schedule, but I definitely notice I feel sleepy earlier in the evening this time of year compared to say July.
I’m from Queensland, where we don’t have to worry about upsetting the cows or fading the curtains with Daylight Saving 🤦♂️
The curtains 🤣
I live in Turkey where the government got us stuck on daylight saving time a few years ago, and it is indeed a terrible idea. Everyone is depressed in winter (well, more depressed than usual) due to waking up to no sunlight, energy expenditures have risen significantly (when the change was justified by the government saying it'd reduce energy consumption) and it makes our clocks needlessly out of sync with the rest of the world - in summer we're 1 hour behind friends in Europe, but come November and the different jumps to 2 hours for no reason...
As a Lebanese, I wanted us to follow Turkey's example on that. But watching this video and reading your comment, I'm now questioning my preference 😬
I'd much prefer sticking with standard time. Why even have standard time zones if we're going to be an hour off them anyway? Time zones are already kind of arbitrarily set in the first place.
What would be even better would be if we could cut the time zones up even more to go by half hours or quarter hours so there isn't an entire hour difference of daylight between one side of the time zone and the other or an entire shift by an hour on the clock when taking one step across an imaginary line.
No staying on daylight saving time is awesome. Why would anyone want the sun to set earlier…. Everyone has their own schedule what works for you doesn’t work for others
I don’t get this argument at all. We already don’t match the sun. I stay up hours after sunset in the summer and (more) hours past sunset in the winter. I get up hours after sunrise most of the year.
I get this - I am lucky to wake up after sunrise every day, so for years I didn't get the argument. What I realised is that a large % of people are going to work and school in the dark, so on a mass scale it leads to circadian disruption, particularly at the western edges of time zones.
@@braincraft seems our clocks are already “artificial”
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Being on winter time doesn't stop Norwegians from having to go to work and school in the dark.
Lucky you. My job starts before sunrise 9 months of the year.
@@braincraft I would say this just makes the case that the issue is not whether we use DST or Standard time but that we are so stupidly inflexible on things like work and school schedules because we insist that they must start at a specific unchanging time year round and regardless of your location/what the sun is doing. While Standard might make it better for the current "average" cases, it will make it worse for others and doesn't actually address the root of that problem. However, picking one time and sticking to it at least fixes the issue of a random 23 hour day and 25 hour day screwing up sleep for a giant chunk of people twice a year
OH WOW. We changed our clocks over the weekend and this week I've been much more tired and unfocused than usual despite sleeping enough... I guess I'm just jet lagged?! This really helps me to go easier on myself
My ideal world would be divided into very few, neatly arranged, timezones, shifting by 4 hours each time, and each city would decide when its schools and work shifts start independently from each other, so that no matter where you are in the timezone region you don't get the delay effects that come from being at the "end" of a timezone.
So maybe in New York schools would start at 9AM while in Chicago schools would start at 11AM, but they're both in the same timezone.
I think this circadian rhythm argument is dubious at best... Personally, I'd slightly prefer to have more sunlight in the afternoon like in DST, which means sunlight about 5:00-20:00 in summer and 8:00-16:00 in winter (instead of 4:00-19:00 and 7:00-15:00 like in standard time). But at the end of the day, I'd be glad if my country just finally ditched this annoying switching back and forth, no matter which time zone we would stay in. :)
Correction: the EU decided to stay on "standard time" but the decision did not specify what standard time is to be, it could just as well be permanent "summer time". That would be up to each country. The change is now stuck and there's been no progress so who know when it's going to be implemented....
If you live where winter mornings are harsh, permanent daylight saving time will make it more harsh. Not just darker, colder too.
I was also told when it gets dark earlier people are more likely to go to places like movie theaters bookstores because they can't be outside to enjoy things which leads to more spending which also contradicts what you're saying about people spending more money when there's more sunlight. And driving out at night I definitely see a lot more people heading places at home when it gets dark sooner
I served on nuclear submarines. We switched from a regular 24 hour day to an 18 hour day once submerged to accommodate our three sections of duty, each of which lasted six hours. Acclimating to this for three months while submerged was brutal on our rhythms. During submergence, we had absolutely no idea if it was day or night up on the surface .. no natural reference .. and there was only the lighting in the command passageway to offer a clue. The captain and executive officer conveniently kept to a 24 hour day and required the lighting in their passageway to be switched to red lighting when it was dark on the surface.
We crossed many time zones on a typical patrol and the quartermaster kept up with the actual state of light on the surface. We would not stick up our periscope for a look-around or nav fix if it was daylight above.
Upon return to port and a standard 24 hour day, we were totally sapped by early afternoon and wanted to retire to bed while our families couldn't understand what was the matter with us. It would take a good week to snap back to 24 hours ... and then it was again time to sail and submerge and do it all again. So I can attest to the severe psychological pain that circadian rhythm interruptions can cause.
Let's get rid of Daylight Savings Time, and just have Standard Time, all year long.
I barely notice daylight savings time... just sleep one hour less or one hour more and I'm done with it.
The problem is called capitalism 😄 I mean disregarding science and public health makes a lot of sense if you prioritize short term profits over everything else 😄
p.s. Love your videos ❤️
I'm an east coast Australian and I love DST. When October comes around, the sun starts waking me up around 5am, so I am always waiting for DST so that stops. I'm a pro keeping the change each year.
Here's a novel question for you! Has any research ever found or been done which shows a degree to which the time of day you were born at, impacts whether you're a night owl or early bird riser, and the time of day at which you're most productive ? I ask because I was born in the afternoon and I have always been a night owl (thus, my first day started when it was more than half over) and hated how slow I am at getting out of bed in the mornings, even if I go to bed early, to the point that it impacts my employability. 😔
No, but there is a genetic component.
This might be an interesting topic, but I really appose high schools giving out homework and increasing classes into the day.
The homework and extracurricular activities that take up a time and take away from sleep. Every student would almost brag about how little sleep he got last night.
The teachers can just decide how much homework they give you and unlike college, there is no recourse. You can't take another class.
My school was pushing for more periods, meaning more classes, and longer days. They got that wish just after I left. My Mom worked at my school, that's how I know.
People often also forget about travel time. Students might have to wake up pretty early if multiple kids had to be dropped off to multiple schools.
I don't know how much daylight savings time affected sleep, all I know is that around December, a little under half of kids would start showing up at school before daylight.
I do know I had problems one year of receiving so much homework, that between clubs, eating and sleeping I couldn't finish it all.
I'm probably one the few people that if I don't get enough sleep, like less than six, I can't function. I usually can't make it to class or school and wake up sick and nauseous. If it's less than nine hours I will feel tired and exhausted all day.
Also caffeine doesn't work the same for me, it hits me hard and especially gives me massive headaches and nausea after about six hours
As someone from eastern Massachusetts where it gets dark by 4pm in the winter I’m praying they make daylights savings permanent
The situation with states such as the one you live in is that you basically have negative standard time, and once DST comes, you have standard time. You should be in Atlantic Standard Time/Atlantic Daylight Time.
I feel like scientists or researchers didn’t take states such as yours into consideration.
I dont understand why it matters if we stay on daylight time. In the short term our circadian rhythms would be offset by one hour, but over time wouldnt we just adjust? Say you always eat lunch at 12, wouldnt you just start aiming for lunch at 1pm? What number we assign to the different times of the day is arbitrary. What matters is how we think of and act on those numbers. And i would think over time we would start realigning to our circadian rhythms and reassesing what times are acceptable for what activities.
I would prefer to stay on standard given the option, but im not going to lose sleep over being on daylight.
I'm confused how Daylight Savings time is less in tune with our body clocks than Standard time. I usually wake up after sunrise and go to sleep long after sunset, and I don't think I'm in the minority. But during Daylight Savings time, sunrise and sunset are both "later" (meaning they occur at later clock times) while my sleep schedule remains about the same (the same clock time), so doesn't that mean I'm closer to being in sync with the sun?
Also, I know that usually fewer hours of sunlight = higher depression. So I would think with Standard time, if people are awake for fewer hours of daylight, that might be bad for mental health. I recognize this is by no means scientific, just my own, random, highly biased ideas since I like Daylight Savings time.
Turkey did the worst possible thing. They ditched daylight saving but they made summer time permenant. So in winter sun rises at 8.30 😑
Managed to escape the horror this year cause I traveled from Asia to the US at the same time and it sort of worked in my favor
I feel that there is a big missing element to this debate. With me I am above 45* north so the amount of daylight is much longer than those say in Arizona or Florida in the summer. So to stay on Standard time the sun would be up at 03:00 in the morning and set around 21:00. Winter is dark, so doesn't matter what time we are on. :) I will not be using those early morning hours in the summer but feel I would in the evening. So for me Daylight Saving as a standard would be better.
Even further north (like here in northern Norway) there’s absolutely no point to changing the clocks to get more daylight in the summer because it doesn’t get dark enough for that. I don’t really care whether the midnight sun is at its lowest at 0000 or 0100.
With my chronotype I would love Daylight Savings all the time. I feel constantly in a cloud waking up in the mornings, and the times in my life when I’ve not been forced to stick to the traditional work/school societal schedule have been the clearest and happiest times of my life. My brain turns on around 9 PM and that’s when I’m most alive/productive.
What really pickles my herring is, if you ask someone who likes DST what they think of the idea of starting work an hour earlier so they can go home earlier and enjoy a longer evening, they almost always correctly identify that as an awful idea.
I liked the video; however, I would disagree about your reasoning about PERMANENTLY staying on daylight saving time. People do not make plans based on what number that thing on their wrist reads but based on sunshine. Of course, contracts and other things will need time to adjust, but I would highly doubt that people would keep doing everything one hour earlier just because the clock says. In the long run, it should make no difference, whether we adopt permanent daylight-saving time or permanent normal time (or any other time system you could imagine) - we'd simply switch to working from 10 to 6 instead of 9 to 5.
If it were up to me, we should just all switch to using UTC (together with some law that automatically adapts the times specified in contracts written before the change, accordingly), simply to make coordinating international meetings easier.
I live at about 44 degrees North Latitude. There is no amount of monkeying with the clock that is going to give enough light in the evening in winter to make any difference, because the sun just sets pretty early in the afternoon up here. I used to live in Texas and at that latitude, I'd get up in the dark all year around because just about the time the tilt of the earth would have had the sun rising at the time I got up, DST would happen and force me to get up earlier in the morning. I suppose there's a sweet spot on the globe where there's some tangible benefit to making people get up an hour earlier to take advantage of the morning sun, but I can't imagine where that is.
Central europe if you ask me. In winter we have the same problem: dark when getting up, dark when coming home from work, but: DST during winter would mean sun rising at 10 am! (i am already hungry again at 10am;-) ) And during summer time (DST), the sun comes up as early as 5 am. With standard time it would come up at 4 am. That would just be a waste of sunlight. And as there are almost no AC's in private homes, people need the cooler air during DST summers to air out their homes. Satndard times would make that less effective as it would be already way warmer -> i am for keeping the change where i live.
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Thank you. I bloody hate British Summertime and the hassle associated with it. It beggars up sleep patterns, throws off schedules, makes the Livestock Farmer's job harder, etc. BST is a waste of time and BST wastes time.