Are we referring to: 1) Games in which the 2nd Edition vastly improved the 1st Edition; or 2) Games which suck so much that they never should have been printed to begin with! 😆 ?
I did buy the kickstarted Fireball Island, having grown up with the original, and you calling me a f****n idiot made my day. Because it’s true. 😂 Cheers!
@@bendfocuspro Sadly i bought Fireball island for my nephew and it was garbage, but hey dont write off Restoration as they redid Return To Dark Tower, and that game Kicks Ass!
I disagree about Gaia Project, the tech tracks are better IMO. But my pick for this list is definitely Sheriff of Nottingham; the difference in artwork and overall quality between the first and second edition is night and day.
Agreed with basically all of these....with the exception of GP. I really found TM to be missing something, those tech tracks in GP make the entire game.
Man, I wish the world had more people like you. Honest and sincere, telling it how it is. Not doing any real harm, just raw customer feedback. Everyone is so full of shit these days that they don't realize they're lying 24/7.
I think Castles ofBurgundy got a well deserved face lift - a blinged out version to make it stand with the expensive backgammon and chess sets - I think the game is a master piece. That said I'm more than happy with the original box. It's absolute perfection.
Usually true, and then there is Incan Treasure, the revamped version of Diamant. The original is completely devoid of any 'woke' issues, being thematic but placed is some random place with jewels and treasures, has cute little boxes to hide the accumulated score of a player until the end, and adorable character names that wink to Clue. Incan Treasure: you are looting historical artifacts from a known civilization and you have nowhere to to hide your loot, so the press your luck game becomes meaningless around round 3-4/5. They also got rid of the 'treasure' mechanic in Incan Treasure for some reason.
@@xGarrettThiefx Source? NVM I found it. The best part of that thread was that 100 percent of the comments that disagreed were deleted by the moderator. "Dismissive" in BGG speak means you disagreed with our politics.
@xGarrettThiefx that was spearheaded by Elizabeth "Wingspan" Hargrave (the fucking idiot) and is the one of the reasons I'm very much against buying her games
When the reprint was announced I had just bought my copy of Ethnos on the secondary market. If I had known before, I probably wouldn't have bought it. Now I'm very glad I did. The new version looks like a straight downgrade.
What Puerto Rico really needs is getting rid of that left-right binding. And making the University-Factory price swap canon. That's it. Maybe wrap it in that wholesome 1987 theme to not destroy the marketing
The Firefly Collectors Edition didn't need to be a thing. The only reason that it interests people is that they don't keep the expansions in print, so people have trouble finding various ones of htem and this allowed people to buy them again, all be it all at once.
One good thing on Castles of Burgundy deluxe was that I able to print out the backs of the tiles that explain what each does from their Kickstarter to shrink down to paste to the backs of my cheap copy I got after the deluxe was announced. My friend has the deluxe so I can play it if I want to feel the majesty.
Ethnos/Archeos Society - Ethnos is such a great design, and ppl gripe about it looking ugly. I don’t even see the artwork when I play cuz it’s such an intense experience with quick turns and total angst 😅
Azul: Master Chocolatier was a limited edition chocolate themed version of the original Azul and despite including miniature promotional expansions, it's missing a lot of its predecessor's charm.
I love the comments about games feeling dirty and cheap. Those seem like such derogatory terms, but at this point games have no character, they're so sterile. I find myself being drawn to games that have some character. Because of that, it keeps feeling like I'm have to go to older games to find it, like the original Santiago, you know the African version. Great video, it will definitely upset some publishers, but hopefully, they're humble enough to think about it. Thanks as always.
Had the original 1986 Fireball Island growing up, lost it, then nostalgically reacquired a few years ago. It's still a blast and we break it out here and there because it's simple but chaotic. Got the new one and then sold it shortly after...all they needed to do was maybe make the island bigger (keep the same classic paths) add more unpredictable routes for the fireballs, maybe more bridges/traps...not added complexity, tokens and card crap. Completely removed the fun factor!
Age of Innovation is our first TM game. Picked it because it seemed to be the most solid at 2p. We're really getting into it, but i didnt need the re-theme. TM 2 would have been fine. Just sayin its worth a look if you ever get a chance.
I expect similar to COB. Bringing expansions together into a single big box, with every possible component blinged up whether sensible or not. COB surprised me in how many people bought into this ultimate in bling, so I expect similar will happen for Puerto Rico. I'm not the market for it, but I'm confident there is a market out there.
Village would be my #1, Libertalia would be #2, and Puerto Rico #3. I'm glad I didn't bite when those came out. I'm keeping my originals, and a little extra green in my pockets.
I have to hand it to these companies. They are laughing all the way to the bank. It's like PT Barnum, "there's a sucker born every minute." But for board games, it's one every 10 seconds.
The reworking of Tribune was horrendous that I traded for an older copy before they all fleeted away. In my opinion the Kickstarter didn’t do huge numbers because the art looked so bad comparatively to the original.
I knew Puerto Rico would be here (and deservedly so). FYI, after more than two years, corrected copies of Puerto Rico 1897 can finally be purchased in the UK as of Feb 2024 - I grabbed one recently because I never owned the original, but I've been waiting ages for non-f*'d copies to finally come into circulation. Oh, and the only way to tell a good copy from bad old stock is that they (the corrected ones) are not shrinkwrapped, and they've got these little clear circular stickers sealing the box closed. Their handling of this will certainly make me think twice before making any future purchases of Ravensburger products.
I mean the guy behind the retheme wanted a mechanic where workers are paid, but without any concern for gameplay balance in sight. 1 doubloon is enough money to build a shop, so paying them with that mean they'll simply build their own plantations...
@@revimfadli4666 Did that actually carry through to the retail product? I'm not an expert on the subject, but all the information I've read so far seems to indicate none of the rules were changed from the original?
Arkham Horror 3rd - took a general thematic board game and made it scenario based since that is what Fantasy Flight has inadvertently turned their Lovecraft stuff into. Betrayal at House on the Hill - the original game was very random, but now it's very streamlined. Also while they did clear up the process of splitting into Traitor & Heroes midway they still have goofs about who knows what does what. There are also less scenarios and stupid ones. WTF wants to go to a creepy haunted house to just end up cleaning it for better resale?
@@ErmacFellwalker 3rd has it where you have about 6 "reasons" for exploring the house at the start, and then the Haunts are given through those reasons in addition to the Omen/Room. It's not awful. It's a nice surprise just as 2nd Ed. there are some non dangerous Haunts of Buried Treasure or Ghost Playing Hide & Seek. But in a post Woke/TDS/GamerGate world (2016) where every new cartoon inserts a "Prom" episode or DnD's latest setting is working as baristas in a communist utopia; cleaning house in 3rd Ed stinks of something disingenuous.
Age of Innovation isn't really a reprint. It's got several new mechanics, all of the factions are new, and the components are modular which means you can draft each piece of your faction starting out.
Supposedly, it started off as an expansion to Terra Mystica too. Tbh, of the entire list, this is the one I most disagree with. Gaia Project and Age of Innovation all feel differently to Terra Mystica, and they all bring something different to the table. I love them all and own them all
@@ErmacFellwalkerThe only thing is - between AoI and regular Terra Mystica - to me, AoI is better in every single way. There is no reason to own Terra Mystica with AoI - as it replaces it (for me).
@JJ_TheGreat probably correct, BUT Terra Mystica has the Merchants of the Sea expansion (which I love) AND my friends printed me bespoke resin buildings for each race (unique sculpts) which are nothing short of incredible and elevated the game for me 😆
Don't know if it counts as a board game but Games Workshop constantly making and remaking new entire book shelves of rules and compendiums for Warhammer that then aren't even accurate because you need to download some updated PDF before they start preparing you to buy the next version in 2 years time is probably the worst offender
I was gifted a copy of the new Castles of Burgundy. It was from an unexpected friend and it means the world to me because of that. It's also my favorite game. That being said: I still have my 1st edition copy because the one thing that most gamers haven't tired of, but I have is BIG BOX SYNDROME. They whine about the size on their shelves but for me...the REAL problem is the ability to take it with you, the amount of set up and the amount of space it takes on a table. CoB, again, is my favorite game but I do face hesitation when picking it and I'd almost never throw it in my game bag to take somewhere over the other copy. My goal to saying all this is that it's not all sunshine and roses with these big box deluxe versions and I've never wanted to be someone who glosses over the negatives of even things I love. :D Also...for Spartacus...I also have the full game and I highly suggest keeping an eye out for the deluxe version of a game called "Flow of History" people will sell it for cheap and it has the PERFECT small metal coins that are thick like Roman coins would have been. Get a few sets of those and it helps not have sweat infused cardboard coins! HAHAHA!
2:00 “Why they had to touch the original (Puerto Rico), I don’t know.” Because a grifter named Jason Perez made some videos about it so he could con his way into a “creative consultant” job.
So on point with most CoB. Why in the world anyone would spend $100+ on the delux edition is beyond me. Someone of FB asked if they should buy it if they has never played CoB. People are crazy out here in these board game streets.
@@xshadowscreamx I don't feel that way, it feels cheaper too. And more while it added a new camel, it's changed so much the expansion the original had is no longer compatible.
Love the topic of this video, and generally agree. Kemet would be my #2 unnecessary 2nd edition, and #1 is probably the X-Wing miniatures game. FFG/Asmodee took a brilliant self-contained system, mauled it to shreds and tossed it in a filthy alley to rot in the darkness.
This channel is a mix of the Dice Tower and a Guy Richie film. And in that case, I definitely see Tom Vasal as the Brick top of the internet board gaming scene.
I do agree to the Kemet Blood and sand edition. Fortunately I did get hold of a copy of the first edition for 20$, and it is much better looking in almost all respects. You did miss out on one of the worst reprints "ever". Everdell Complete Edition. I heard that they did release a new expansion after that one so it should be called "EVERDELL THE ALMOST COMPLETE EDITION". 😂 And with a price tag of "only" some 350$ !!!??? WTF.
I am absolutely with you on the “castles of burgundy” - we absolutely love this game and have the version from 2020 (?) which is wonderful except for the tiny writing on the little hex-tiles. But I too think it is absolutely insane to pay 200 € for the Deluxe Version! Ok, the hex-tiles are 30 % bigger, so it might be more visionfriendly for our old eyes, but bigger also means it takes up more space on the table.🙄 Even if I had this amount of money: I would not buy the Deluxe Version😮🎉
When you need a replacement outer box for BSG let me know. I'll include the Broken Token insert. Both on the house. I also have the Exodus Expansion box that I can send along which will double your fight against the ravages of time. I bought the wooden LaserOx insert and outer wooden box so I'm safe for hopefully my lifetime and have stored the extras. My BSG core box isn't Mint but the Exodus box is near mint. That said I suspect my BSG core box may be better off than yours but I would wait until I receive a nice Awaken Realms packaging box and re-use it to ship these off to you. Their packaging is beyond ridiculously good. I guess if anyone local in your area has been storing these empty BSG related boxes it may make more sense for them to pitch in before someone tries to toss these across the seas your way. Just to be clear, this is just an offer to help you with empty boxes and storage inserts not the actual game material. That said you might appreciate doubling the shelf life of your BSG box. Of course if you follow my footsteps and get the LaserOx box...you would be in the same boat I am in. Sorry I tossed Pegasus and Daybreak. Others in my boat may have kept all 4 boxes for display. I'm guessing quite a few people may be out there with extra BSG boxes as a result of Broken Token and LaserOx storage.
So what about good 2nd editions / 2nd iterations? Here's a couple to start Restoration games did a super job on Thunder Road Vendetta (BGB's video on the original showed how dire and dated it was, the new version a LOT more fun). I've not played Voyages of Marco Polo, but really like Marco Polo II.
actually i own about 90 games right now but i never bought a 2ed of everything...always buying interesting new games....but i have an area control fetish....battle of rokugan,tammany hall,king is dead,rurik dawn of kiev,kemet,last kingdom...yeah i am gonna buy probable the new el grande :D...so theres something :D
@@JJ_TheGreat Reread the sentence... I didn't say Agricola was the second edition of Caverna... I said Agricola (the first edition) should never have had the second edition (Caverna) made... Yes Agricola came first.
Interesting list. Cyclades might fall into this category as well, but i hope not. At least i don't own it yet. Eclipse 2nd was good for us because we wouldn't have gotten 1st edition. Just flew totally below our radar. But i understand all your points. For me it's Mage Wars. With the reprint they split the gane into two different games (arena and academy, an easier, watered down version). But you could still use academy in arena and it just got very cramped and confusing.
For what it is worth I have played Terra mystica, and Gaia project…. And Gaia just improved some of the imbalance that was in terra mystica ( some of the factions were super powered)
So refreshing to find a boardgame channel that stands apart from the usual bandwagoning nonsense that this hobby has devolved into. While not a 2nd edition, TI4 sucked me dry from ever wanting to play anymore TI. Unless somebody asked me to play TI3, which they don't, because it is against the moral code to play previous editions of anything apparently.
I only have kemet blood and sand, but I think the components are nicer than the original. Miniatures are a little bigger, the trays are nice. I get the hate on the map, but ah well… can’t win out on everything.
I think Kemet got worse with the art, but better with the balance. They also improved the consistency of the iconography (even though it mostly got uglier). Also, you got it wrong about the minis, they're bigger. Unfortunately, the map isn't really scaled to fit them as bigger, so in cities (with the pyramids) they barely fit. The game also incorporated the Ta-Seti tiles, and some of the rules that were unique to that box. It didn't incorporate the Path board though. B&S is basically like buying Kemet + Ta-Seti. B&S is both better and worse, which does make it a bad second edition. It seems like when Matagot pivoted to crowdfunding, they basically shit the bed. They're just not putting out quality that justifies the price tag for these products.
#1 I bought the new version cause I was new to the hobby and it was available in allegro format which gives 0% rates... but I am unable to get any extra stuff for it as it disapeared as soon as it showed up - the base has been repritned twice and as it was getting of the shelfs so fast
Space Hulk didn't need a 2nd edition. Everybody who knows about the differences between 1st and 2nd edition agrees. Then they went and made a 3rd/4th edition, which is better than 2nd, but still not as good as 1st. Although those map tiles and blip counters are fantastic, even if they warp too easily.
I have a new one… what game needed a .2nd edition but didn’t need a 3rd edition 😂 I know you hate Cthulhu but Arkham Horror 2nd edition is brilliant. 3rd edition isn’t been an update, it’s a different game and it’s not even as good as 2nd edition. It should have been a totally different game.
Age of Innovation is Terra Mystica with a built in expansion. If one does not own Terra Mystica then they should get Age of Innovation. Gaia Project is different enough you could justify having it and TM or AoI but it’s also not that different either that it’s a hard sell to say it is
I can see why publishers go for reprints as it's a lazy way to cash in on a popular product, but I think in most cases these reprints annoy the core fan base rather than amplify further interest. Personally I'd prefer them to make a sequel and offer something mildly different (extending the story, blah blah), rather than void my version of the game and replace it with a more expensive reprint.
@@BoardGameBollocks Yes. They tried to use the same mechanic in Fallout. Didn't work for that game, so I'm not sure why they thought it would for Arkham
Twilight Imperium comes to mind. Container (you pay double the price for plastic heavy ships and plastic containers) and the tip of the icberg.... Food Chain Magnate..... plastic ugly looking tokens... a plastic bullshit alltogether. Ripoffs all of them.
While i do agree on the Castles of Burgundy megadelux ks edition i do not agree on the Castles of Burgundy 20th anniversary edition, which i own, and was a very welcomed reprint with a graphic restyling and some expansions of the original game at a fair cost. That was (and is) a way for some people - me included - of getting a very good classic game which wasnt available otherwise
First disagreement with you... I bought the $300 version of Castles of Burgundy. The experience is much different. The vinyl tiles, the lock in place player board. AND the Neoprene game board... My copy is not being sold. That being said, the building minis are a waste, and I did have to affix stickers to all my vinyl tiles.
Gaia Project is actually quite a lot different than TM, but unfortunately almost everything that they did to the game made it worse. Terra Mystica is a good example of a game being done right on the first try and all iterations of it being worse.
Five Tribes and the new and improved definitely-not-slave cards is my number 1 by far. It's not a 2nd edition with inferior gameplay, but it's much worse than that. It's a 2nd edition that insults my intelligence. That I just can't handle.
Can't agree more for 7 wonders. My brother offers me the Armada expansion not knowing this and I couldn't play with it. I found this really mad and got angry against the game I'm not playing it anymore ... what a waste seriously.
City of Remnants was re-implemented as a game called "Neon Gods" it is awful, all the complexity and charm of City completely stripped away in the name of streamlining.
The village was the one I regret getting a 2nd edition the art is a mess and building shrank now down with no environment of a village. Was going to sell my 1st edition but keep hold of that bad boy.
I 100% agreed with you until Kemet came along. The new version is much better balanced, easier to understand the icons, streamlined, so I do disagree on it. The other 9, totally agree.
I would add Citadels and Village - both having really horrible artwork in new editions that doesn't even come close to the original graphics (in case of Village the artwork is actually one of the most horrible artworks I had seen in board game industry)
For me, the second edition of London sucked because they got rid of the board. I prefer a lot of those old Euros before they got fancied-up like Castles of Burgundy, St. Petersburg, and Princes of Florence.
Agree with #10, #3 game is rubbish didn't need second edition, Disagree with #8 its vastly superior in the second edition, #7 I prefer the unfathomable theme, #4 THE FIRST EDITION IS UNPLAYBLE YOU ARE CRAZY WRONG hahaha bollocks indeed! #1 is so much better than the first one I've heard, and its alright but it still ain't TI4. Also its weird to say board game creators shouldn't work to make their games better, which is basically what you're saying about Eclipse, could say its a bollocks opinion haha. :P But I get that you'd be pretty pissed seeing a whole new game released after you got all the expansions for the first edition. No I wouldn't because I got all of TI3 with all the expansions and then got TI4 because it was streamlined and way better! I don't know about #9, #6, #5, #2. Never played them. I like that you just go with your opinions though, gotta respect that. you're a good one, good videos.
I feel like I'm watching a deleted scene from a Guy Ritchie film.
😂
He certainly has that Vinnie Jones riz.
How about top 10 games that didn’t need a first edition?
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I love it lol
Are we referring to:
1) Games in which the 2nd Edition vastly improved the 1st Edition; or
2) Games which suck so much that they never should have been printed to begin with! 😆 ?
@@JJ_TheGreat the second option
Exploding kittens
Board game discussion paired with coarse language certainly creates a unique experiential space. This ain't no Dice Tower.
I did buy the kickstarted Fireball Island, having grown up with the original, and you calling me a f****n idiot made my day. Because it’s true. 😂 Cheers!
I didn't back the kick starter because I still have the original, so I must be a real f****n idiot. FIREBALL!! 😂
Agreed. It's the reason I will never buy a restoration games game again.
@@bendfocuspro Sadly i bought Fireball island for my nephew and it was garbage, but hey dont write off Restoration as they redid Return To Dark Tower, and that game Kicks Ass!
I disagree about Gaia Project, the tech tracks are better IMO. But my pick for this list is definitely Sheriff of Nottingham; the difference in artwork and overall quality between the first and second edition is night and day.
Agreed with basically all of these....with the exception of GP.
I really found TM to be missing something, those tech tracks in GP make the entire game.
Man, I wish the world had more people like you. Honest and sincere, telling it how it is. Not doing any real harm, just raw customer feedback. Everyone is so full of shit these days that they don't realize they're lying 24/7.
I think Castles ofBurgundy got a well deserved face lift - a blinged out version to make it stand with the expensive backgammon and chess sets - I think the game is a master piece. That said I'm more than happy with the original box. It's absolute perfection.
The scariest words today are when a publisher in any media says they are remaking something for "modern audiences".
Usually true, and then there is Incan Treasure, the revamped version of Diamant.
The original is completely devoid of any 'woke' issues, being thematic but placed is some random place with jewels and treasures, has cute little boxes to hide the accumulated score of a player until the end, and adorable character names that wink to Clue. Incan Treasure: you are looting historical artifacts from a known civilization and you have nowhere to to hide your loot, so the press your luck game becomes meaningless around round 3-4/5. They also got rid of the 'treasure' mechanic in Incan Treasure for some reason.
I'll never forget when some bgg woke crazy went buck wild over an image on the box art for Tiny epic dungeons...madness.
@@xGarrettThiefx Source? NVM I found it. The best part of that thread was that 100 percent of the comments that disagreed were deleted by the moderator. "Dismissive" in BGG speak means you disagreed with our politics.
@@TabletopTurtle Just remember : No opinions or differing thoughts are allowed on BGG. You get one flavour of BGG icecream ok ...vanilla only.
@xGarrettThiefx that was spearheaded by Elizabeth "Wingspan" Hargrave (the fucking idiot) and is the one of the reasons I'm very much against buying her games
"You are basically a liar" is my new favourite retort.
Thanks for making the video. Agree on the 1st editions of Kemet and Cyclades, we will never get the end editions and may also be buried with them.
I love how much you hate Cthulhu. Haha
I was devastated when I missed out on Ethnos, as I have no interest in buying Archeos Society.
When the reprint was announced I had just bought my copy of Ethnos on the secondary market. If I had known before, I probably wouldn't have bought it. Now I'm very glad I did. The new version looks like a straight downgrade.
The same. I can't stand the new skin it has.
Don't worry you didn't miss out on ethnos - you can easily get a second hand copy cheap.
What Puerto Rico really needs is getting rid of that left-right binding. And making the University-Factory price swap canon. That's it. Maybe wrap it in that wholesome 1987 theme to not destroy the marketing
Sheriff of Nottinghams second edition is worse than the first edition
The Firefly Collectors Edition didn't need to be a thing. The only reason that it interests people is that they don't keep the expansions in print, so people have trouble finding various ones of htem and this allowed people to buy them again, all be it all at once.
A study in Emerald, Löwenherz and Ethnos are the ones to come to mind directly !
One good thing on Castles of Burgundy deluxe was that I able to print out the backs of the tiles that explain what each does from their Kickstarter to shrink down to paste to the backs of my cheap copy I got after the deluxe was announced. My friend has the deluxe so I can play it if I want to feel the majesty.
Stefan Feld´s City Collection: totally redundant. The deluxe reprint of Castles of B.: hilarious.
ks loves to take advantage of Feld fans
Some of the reprinted games in that series are hard to find. Not that that justifes overpriced new versions...
Right out of the gate, I agree 100% with your number 10. And I'm Puerto Rican.
9:49 "you should be ashamed seeing as there are so many starving people in the world" 😂
Ethnos/Archeos Society - Ethnos is such a great design, and ppl gripe about it looking ugly. I don’t even see the artwork when I play cuz it’s such an intense experience with quick turns and total angst 😅
tbf archeos has more variations in how the majority controls work. It didn't even feel like a map in Ethnos since adjacencies don't matter
Azul: Master Chocolatier was a limited edition chocolate themed version of the original Azul and despite including miniature promotional expansions, it's missing a lot of its predecessor's charm.
I agree with Libertalia but the new tiebreaker mechanic is much better. Wish I could incorporate it into the original
if only it had everdell's vibrant art...
I love the comments about games feeling dirty and cheap. Those seem like such derogatory terms, but at this point games have no character, they're so sterile. I find myself being drawn to games that have some character. Because of that, it keeps feeling like I'm have to go to older games to find it, like the original Santiago, you know the African version. Great video, it will definitely upset some publishers, but hopefully, they're humble enough to think about it. Thanks as always.
Had the original 1986 Fireball Island growing up, lost it, then nostalgically reacquired a few years ago. It's still a blast and we break it out here and there because it's simple but chaotic. Got the new one and then sold it shortly after...all they needed to do was maybe make the island bigger (keep the same classic paths) add more unpredictable routes for the fireballs, maybe more bridges/traps...not added complexity, tokens and card crap. Completely removed the fun factor!
Age of Innovation is our first TM game. Picked it because it seemed to be the most solid at 2p. We're really getting into it, but i didnt need the re-theme. TM 2 would have been fine. Just sayin its worth a look if you ever get a chance.
I'm curious what awaken realms will do with Puerto Rico.
I expect similar to COB. Bringing expansions together into a single big box, with every possible component blinged up whether sensible or not. COB surprised me in how many people bought into this ultimate in bling, so I expect similar will happen for Puerto Rico. I'm not the market for it, but I'm confident there is a market out there.
Village would be my #1, Libertalia would be #2, and Puerto Rico #3. I'm glad I didn't bite when those came out. I'm keeping my originals, and a little extra green in my pockets.
I have to hand it to these companies. They are laughing all the way to the bank. It's like PT Barnum, "there's a sucker born every minute." But for board games, it's one every 10 seconds.
I had not played 1st edition of eclipse but love the second version.
Can’t wait to see what you think of Hasbro’s THIRD Edition of NEXUS OPS.
I haven’t played the first or second edition yet
The reworking of Tribune was horrendous that I traded for an older copy before they all fleeted away. In my opinion the Kickstarter didn’t do huge numbers because the art looked so bad comparatively to the original.
I knew Puerto Rico would be here (and deservedly so). FYI, after more than two years, corrected copies of Puerto Rico 1897 can finally be purchased in the UK as of Feb 2024 - I grabbed one recently because I never owned the original, but I've been waiting ages for non-f*'d copies to finally come into circulation. Oh, and the only way to tell a good copy from bad old stock is that they (the corrected ones) are not shrinkwrapped, and they've got these little clear circular stickers sealing the box closed. Their handling of this will certainly make me think twice before making any future purchases of Ravensburger products.
I mean the guy behind the retheme wanted a mechanic where workers are paid, but without any concern for gameplay balance in sight. 1 doubloon is enough money to build a shop, so paying them with that mean they'll simply build their own plantations...
@@revimfadli4666 Did that actually carry through to the retail product? I'm not an expert on the subject, but all the information I've read so far seems to indicate none of the rules were changed from the original?
Arkham Horror 3rd - took a general thematic board game and made it scenario based since that is what Fantasy Flight has inadvertently turned their Lovecraft stuff into.
Betrayal at House on the Hill - the original game was very random, but now it's very streamlined. Also while they did clear up the process of splitting into Traitor & Heroes midway they still have goofs about who knows what does what. There are also less scenarios and stupid ones. WTF wants to go to a creepy haunted house to just end up cleaning it for better resale?
Cleaning it?!? Are you joking??
@@ErmacFellwalker 3rd has it where you have about 6 "reasons" for exploring the house at the start, and then the Haunts are given through those reasons in addition to the Omen/Room.
It's not awful. It's a nice surprise just as 2nd Ed. there are some non dangerous Haunts of Buried Treasure or Ghost Playing Hide & Seek. But in a post Woke/TDS/GamerGate world (2016) where every new cartoon inserts a "Prom" episode or DnD's latest setting is working as baristas in a communist utopia; cleaning house in 3rd Ed stinks of something disingenuous.
Age of Innovation isn't really a reprint. It's got several new mechanics, all of the factions are new, and the components are modular which means you can draft each piece of your faction starting out.
Supposedly, it started off as an expansion to Terra Mystica too.
Tbh, of the entire list, this is the one I most disagree with. Gaia Project and Age of Innovation all feel differently to Terra Mystica, and they all bring something different to the table.
I love them all and own them all
Thank you! Exactly what I am trying too say... And they also added the book mechanic!
@@ErmacFellwalkerThe only thing is - between AoI and regular Terra Mystica - to me, AoI is better in every single way. There is no reason to own Terra Mystica with AoI - as it replaces it (for me).
@JJ_TheGreat probably correct, BUT Terra Mystica has the Merchants of the Sea expansion (which I love) AND my friends printed me bespoke resin buildings for each race (unique sculpts) which are nothing short of incredible and elevated the game for me 😆
Don't know if it counts as a board game but Games Workshop constantly making and remaking new entire book shelves of rules and compendiums for Warhammer that then aren't even accurate because you need to download some updated PDF before they start preparing you to buy the next version in 2 years time is probably the worst offender
Simply gave up on 40k for that reason.
I was gifted a copy of the new Castles of Burgundy. It was from an unexpected friend and it means the world to me because of that. It's also my favorite game. That being said: I still have my 1st edition copy because the one thing that most gamers haven't tired of, but I have is BIG BOX SYNDROME. They whine about the size on their shelves but for me...the REAL problem is the ability to take it with you, the amount of set up and the amount of space it takes on a table. CoB, again, is my favorite game but I do face hesitation when picking it and I'd almost never throw it in my game bag to take somewhere over the other copy. My goal to saying all this is that it's not all sunshine and roses with these big box deluxe versions and I've never wanted to be someone who glosses over the negatives of even things I love. :D
Also...for Spartacus...I also have the full game and I highly suggest keeping an eye out for the deluxe version of a game called "Flow of History" people will sell it for cheap and it has the PERFECT small metal coins that are thick like Roman coins would have been. Get a few sets of those and it helps not have sweat infused cardboard coins! HAHAHA!
2:00 “Why they had to touch the original (Puerto Rico), I don’t know.”
Because a grifter named Jason Perez made some videos about it so he could con his way into a “creative consultant” job.
I would love to see Restoration Games put your “quote” on their box if they ever get to reprint it again. Would be f**king awesome!
So on point with most CoB. Why in the world anyone would spend $100+ on the delux edition is beyond me. Someone of FB asked if they should buy it if they has never played CoB. People are crazy out here in these board game streets.
Castles of Burgundy's reprint as Deluxe version is yet to get another reprint campaign coming soon....
Camel up, and Sherif of Nottingham should have been here imo in place if fireball island and unfathomable.
Camel up 2nd edition clearly looks better
@@xshadowscreamx I don't feel that way, it feels cheaper too. And more while it added a new camel, it's changed so much the expansion the original had is no longer compatible.
I can’t wait to hear your opinion on Cyclades Legendary Edition which is a game that you already own and where things got removed from the original.
We’ll have to wait and see…not sure anything go removed. Maybe parts of the expansions got left out but tbh I can’t remember
Love the topic of this video, and generally agree. Kemet would be my #2 unnecessary 2nd edition, and #1 is probably the X-Wing miniatures game. FFG/Asmodee took a brilliant self-contained system, mauled it to shreds and tossed it in a filthy alley to rot in the darkness.
great list and i've had the same thoughts on almost all of them as well.
Rex: final days of an empire comes to mind. Luckily that's been fixed
You do know Dune had been out of print for who-knows-how-long at the time, and Frank Herbert's estate wasn't letting anyone reprint it?
This channel is a mix of the Dice Tower and a Guy Richie film. And in that case, I definitely see Tom Vasal as the Brick top of the internet board gaming scene.
I do agree to the Kemet Blood and sand edition. Fortunately I did get hold of a copy of the first edition for 20$, and it is much better looking in almost all respects.
You did miss out on one of the worst reprints "ever". Everdell Complete Edition. I heard that they did release a new expansion after that one so it should be called
"EVERDELL THE ALMOST COMPLETE EDITION". 😂 And with a price tag of "only" some 350$ !!!??? WTF.
I am absolutely with you on the “castles of burgundy” - we absolutely love this game and have the version from 2020 (?) which is wonderful except for the tiny writing on the little hex-tiles. But I too think it is absolutely insane to pay 200 € for the Deluxe Version! Ok, the hex-tiles are 30 % bigger, so it might be more visionfriendly for our old eyes, but bigger also means it takes up more space on the table.🙄 Even if I had this amount of money: I would not buy the Deluxe Version😮🎉
When you need a replacement outer box for BSG let me know. I'll include the Broken Token insert. Both on the house. I also have the Exodus Expansion box that I can send along which will double your fight against the ravages of time. I bought the wooden LaserOx insert and outer wooden box so I'm safe for hopefully my lifetime and have stored the extras. My BSG core box isn't Mint but the Exodus box is near mint. That said I suspect my BSG core box may be better off than yours but I would wait until I receive a nice Awaken Realms packaging box and re-use it to ship these off to you. Their packaging is beyond ridiculously good. I guess if anyone local in your area has been storing these empty BSG related boxes it may make more sense for them to pitch in before someone tries to toss these across the seas your way. Just to be clear, this is just an offer to help you with empty boxes and storage inserts not the actual game material. That said you might appreciate doubling the shelf life of your BSG box. Of course if you follow my footsteps and get the LaserOx box...you would be in the same boat I am in. Sorry I tossed Pegasus and Daybreak. Others in my boat may have kept all 4 boxes for display. I'm guessing quite a few people may be out there with extra BSG boxes as a result of Broken Token and LaserOx storage.
OMG I love this guy. I don't agree with all of his opinions (some I do, some I don't), but his videos are fantastically entertaining.
So what about good 2nd editions / 2nd iterations? Here's a couple to start
Restoration games did a super job on Thunder Road Vendetta (BGB's video on the original showed how dire and dated it was, the new version a LOT more fun).
I've not played Voyages of Marco Polo, but really like Marco Polo II.
I’ll add in - Unmatched, Camel Up 2, Archaeology New Expedition, Ticket to Ride Europe and Imperial Settlers Empires of the North.
actually i own about 90 games right now but i never bought a 2ed of everything...always buying interesting new games....but i have an area control fetish....battle of rokugan,tammany hall,king is dead,rurik dawn of kiev,kemet,last kingdom...yeah i am gonna buy probable the new el grande :D...so theres something :D
You forgot Agricola, which did not need a 2nd edition of Caverna.
Wait... Isn't it the other way around? Because didn't Agricola come before Caverna?
@@JJ_TheGreat Reread the sentence... I didn't say Agricola was the second edition of Caverna... I said Agricola (the first edition) should never have had the second edition (Caverna) made... Yes Agricola came first.
Also Agricola itself relaunched a second edition of itself.
So it's actually a 2x offender.
Interesting list. Cyclades might fall into this category as well, but i hope not. At least i don't own it yet.
Eclipse 2nd was good for us because we wouldn't have gotten 1st edition. Just flew totally below our radar. But i understand all your points.
For me it's Mage Wars. With the reprint they split the gane into two different games (arena and academy, an easier, watered down version). But you could still use academy in arena and it just got very cramped and confusing.
For what it is worth I have played Terra mystica, and Gaia project…. And Gaia just improved some of the imbalance that was in terra mystica ( some of the factions were super powered)
skymine.. hands off... found a dutch edition of Mombassa, printed the rules in french (sorry im french) and fuck the moon
So refreshing to find a boardgame channel that stands apart from the usual bandwagoning nonsense that this hobby has devolved into. While not a 2nd edition, TI4 sucked me dry from ever wanting to play anymore TI. Unless somebody asked me to play TI3, which they don't, because it is against the moral code to play previous editions of anything apparently.
TI3 is the better game for sure
I only have kemet blood and sand, but I think the components are nicer than the original. Miniatures are a little bigger, the trays are nice. I get the hate on the map, but ah well… can’t win out on everything.
For me Claustrophobia would be no 1
It was my number 11
I think Kemet got worse with the art, but better with the balance. They also improved the consistency of the iconography (even though it mostly got uglier). Also, you got it wrong about the minis, they're bigger. Unfortunately, the map isn't really scaled to fit them as bigger, so in cities (with the pyramids) they barely fit. The game also incorporated the Ta-Seti tiles, and some of the rules that were unique to that box. It didn't incorporate the Path board though. B&S is basically like buying Kemet + Ta-Seti.
B&S is both better and worse, which does make it a bad second edition. It seems like when Matagot pivoted to crowdfunding, they basically shit the bed. They're just not putting out quality that justifies the price tag for these products.
#1 I bought the new version cause I was new to the hobby and it was available in allegro format which gives 0% rates... but I am unable to get any extra stuff for it as it disapeared as soon as it showed up - the base has been repritned twice and as it was getting of the shelfs so fast
Space Hulk didn't need a 2nd edition. Everybody who knows about the differences between 1st and 2nd edition agrees. Then they went and made a 3rd/4th edition, which is better than 2nd, but still not as good as 1st. Although those map tiles and blip counters are fantastic, even if they warp too easily.
I bought the deluxe version of castles of burgundy and it's f@cking awsome!
You can add tobthe list the renewed Ethnos
Also, Tyrants of the Underdark
I have a new one… what game needed a .2nd edition but didn’t need a 3rd edition 😂 I know you hate Cthulhu but Arkham Horror 2nd edition is brilliant. 3rd edition isn’t been an update, it’s a different game and it’s not even as good as 2nd edition. It should have been a totally different game.
He liked Second Edition
7 Wonders did change things in the 2nd edition... love it or hate it, the balance changes are significant.
Please elaborate
Age of Innovation is Terra Mystica with a built in expansion. If one does not own Terra Mystica then they should get Age of Innovation. Gaia Project is different enough you could justify having it and TM or AoI but it’s also not that different either that it’s a hard sell to say it is
I can see why publishers go for reprints as it's a lazy way to cash in on a popular product, but I think in most cases these reprints annoy the core fan base rather than amplify further interest. Personally I'd prefer them to make a sequel and offer something mildly different (extending the story, blah blah), rather than void my version of the game and replace it with a more expensive reprint.
Why no list or timestamps...?
Can’t be arsed
Now do third edition! I can start you off with Arkham Horror the board game
The scenario based nonsense killed it
@@BoardGameBollocks Yes. They tried to use the same mechanic in Fallout. Didn't work for that game, so I'm not sure why they thought it would for Arkham
I'm glad to see I'm not alone in thinking Arkham Horror 2nd was done dirty.
@@kevinbabb7004 You are not. I know a lot of people out there who hated it
Twilight Imperium comes to mind.
Container (you pay double the price for plastic heavy ships and plastic containers)
and the tip of the icberg.... Food Chain Magnate..... plastic ugly looking tokens... a plastic bullshit alltogether.
Ripoffs all of them.
Are you gonna review the new Heroscape when it relaunches in August!?
Depends how much it is. If they ask stupid money for it they can stick it up their bum bums.
Haha understand, painted version 225$ and I think unpainted is 125$.
Either way keep up the content love it.
$225 is too much for me…
While i do agree on the Castles of Burgundy megadelux ks edition i do not agree on the Castles of Burgundy 20th anniversary edition, which i own, and was a very welcomed reprint with a graphic restyling and some expansions of the original game at a fair cost. That was (and is) a way for some people - me included - of getting a very good classic game which wasnt available otherwise
Finally the top 10 „forbidden „ games😅
First disagreement with you... I bought the $300 version of Castles of Burgundy. The experience is much different. The vinyl tiles, the lock in place player board. AND the Neoprene game board... My copy is not being sold. That being said, the building minis are a waste, and I did have to affix stickers to all my vinyl tiles.
$300!!!!
@@BoardGameBollocks Cyclades all in + 100 metal coins cost me $212. Which, i'm sure you bought that right?
I didn’t get the metal coins so it it was just over £100
@@BoardGameBollocks You know you're going to add those awesome metal coins ;P
@bperez1172 I’m not. Cardboard ones are fine…or I’ll appropriate some from Black fleet.
Reprint === more $$$
Exactly!
Thanks!
Cheers geezer 👍🏻
Gaia Project is actually quite a lot different than TM, but unfortunately almost everything that they did to the game made it worse. Terra Mystica is a good example of a game being done right on the first try and all iterations of it being worse.
Gaia is much more interesting to me than TM
@@myoman1977 How is "interesting" defined in concrete terms?
#9 DoomTower review said it was the shit, and not just shit, but then again nostalgia is a bitch
Five Tribes and the new and improved definitely-not-slave cards is my number 1 by far. It's not a 2nd edition with inferior gameplay, but it's much worse than that. It's a 2nd edition that insults my intelligence. That I just can't handle.
Can't agree more for 7 wonders. My brother offers me the Armada expansion not knowing this and I couldn't play with it. I found this really mad and got angry against the game I'm not playing it anymore ... what a waste seriously.
City of Remnants was re-implemented as a game called "Neon Gods" it is awful, all the complexity and charm of City completely stripped away in the name of streamlining.
Ooooh nice intro!
its all about cute animals in our games now.......
The village was the one I regret getting a 2nd edition the art is a mess and building shrank now down with no environment of a village. Was going to sell my 1st edition but keep hold of that bad boy.
I 100% agreed with you until Kemet came along. The new version is much better balanced, easier to understand the icons, streamlined, so I do disagree on it. The other 9, totally agree.
Great Western Trail and Lewis & Clark - both ruined
I would add Citadels and Village - both having really horrible artwork in new editions that doesn't even come close to the original graphics (in case of Village the artwork is actually one of the most horrible artworks I had seen in board game industry)
But how else am I going to have my medieval, backward world view corrected without a reprint of a cardboard game in a box.
claustrophobia cames to mind
The reprint is 1000% better. The production of the minis are amazing. And that's coming from someone who's spent 2500+ on kingdom death monster
@@TabletopFamily good for you, I find it the opposite, a bloated pile of shit
@@TabletopFamily Well as far as I am concerned the reprint is a big pile of cardboard shit. Could not care less of your KD logbook.
@@Nnomadd intresting. I see you said you actully purchased it. Why did you not like it?
@@TabletopFamily the new look and feel does not match anymore the dark theme and ambiance of the game. The reprint is an also quite a table hog.
lovely,thanks😊
no, no no. the new deluxe version of CoB gets me to play the game. Call me a bloody bastard.
I love the Madeline Castles of Burgundy I don't care!
As a huge Lovecraft fan I agree that its so annoyed how its putting into anything.
For me, the second edition of London sucked because they got rid of the board. I prefer a lot of those old Euros before they got fancied-up like Castles of Burgundy, St. Petersburg, and Princes of Florence.
Bring back the light switch 😂
I can’t win can I 😂
And Cyclades? :D
2d edition isn’t out yet
Ave Caesar .. reprint was a disgusting ruination of a basically simple and fun race game.
I thought Dice Tree did well with the semi modular board. Could have been a bit bigger and brighter though.
Agree with #10, #3 game is rubbish didn't need second edition,
Disagree with #8 its vastly superior in the second edition, #7 I prefer the unfathomable theme, #4 THE FIRST EDITION IS UNPLAYBLE YOU ARE CRAZY WRONG hahaha bollocks indeed! #1 is so much better than the first one I've heard, and its alright but it still ain't TI4. Also its weird to say board game creators shouldn't work to make their games better, which is basically what you're saying about Eclipse, could say its a bollocks opinion haha. :P But I get that you'd be pretty pissed seeing a whole new game released after you got all the expansions for the first edition. No I wouldn't because I got all of TI3 with all the expansions and then got TI4 because it was streamlined and way better!
I don't know about #9, #6, #5, #2. Never played them.
I like that you just go with your opinions though, gotta respect that. you're a good one, good videos.