Prototype Mauser 1917 Trench Carbine
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In the latter stages of World War One, the German military was looking for new arms for its Sturmtruppen. Without a reliable self-loading rifle design to use, they instead focused on pistol caliber arms. The first to be used was the existing lP08 artillery Luger, fitted with a drum magazine. At the very end of the war, these were being replaced by Bergmann MP-18,I submachine guns. But there was another gun that was tested but not adopted - the 1917 trench carbine variation of Mauser's C96 "Broomhandle" pistol. Only about 40 of these guns were made as prototypes and trials models, and they were not adopted for reasons that are not entirely clear (but cost is probably a significant element). Only a few examples survive, and they vary substantially in their details. In addition, they are substantially different from both standard C96 pistols and also the sporting carbines made before the war.
All the 1917 trench carbines used a magazine developed from the 1906/08 pistol; an excellent double-stack, double-feed type. Magazines of 10, 20, and 40-round capacity were made, although all known examples were only semiautomatic (the full-auto Schnellfeuer Mauser's would not come until the early 1930s).
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2019: "You can configure our firearm any which way you like for your comfort!"
1917: "Our firearm will configure you, usually by smashing any body part that gets in its way."
Sounds like any machine shop I've worked in
Semi auto rifles with a flat rear area of stock and whole bolt flying back scare me. General Liu's nope rifle stands out.
Remember the first commercial semi auto pistol? It had that goofy rear bulge on the receiver and the inventor refused to modify it all
@@Never_heart thats where a recoil spring lives on the c93 (source a forgotten weapons video I watched 20 minutes ago)
@@BigWheel.It's hilarious how Borchardt was both a genius and a complete idiot at the same time. I mean he made the first mass produced semi auto handgun, he made the first effective striker fired handgun, he made the first handgun with a detachable box magazine and he made the first handgun with the ammo inside the handle, but he still didn't understand that his gun was way too unwieldy to be useful
"Now if you`ll indulge me, I wanna take a moment and nerd out on magazines..." That's why I`m here, sir.
And all 40 ended up on the same battlefield according to um, Battlefield.
lol but yea its still one of the best weapons in BF1
@Lochness Monsta u mean the TTK bs?
@@currahee1782 TTK and the dumb spotting shit ruined the game for me
@@currahee1782 i loved how it handled and the recoil (or lack thereof), but you had to empty half a mag into someone to kill them.
@@jamesbrisendine Yea, it has low dmg and but low recoil which makes it a decent gun in CQB, also enjoyed the scoped variant.
That is one neat little carbine!
Pedro Alves yeah no shit
Ill take two. I don't care if both are full auto. I want do do some plinking.
These Germans made the mp5 before counter terrorism was even a thought
The first counter-terrorism unit was formed in the 1880s. Google Special Branch if interested.
the person who killed archduke Ferdinand was a terrorist..
no offense but i dont think you know what terrorism is
@@krispybacon9285
He said counter-terrorism, as a specialized type of unit.
Anyway, the English Special Branch is pretty much the ur-example of a Special Forces, but they weren't dedicated to counter-terrorism. Until the recent merger, they just did the stuff that fell outside the scope of everyone else.
@@axelord4ever my point is that counter terrorism has been around MUCH longer than the 1960s whether it was called that term or not.. some places called it special security or police or investigations.
To the English at the time.
The patriots who dumped tea into Boston Harbor were terrorists.
With how popular the 9mm carbines have gotten itd be cool to see a reproduction of these.
That's one of the reasons I want to get into gunsmithing. I love C96 pistols and hope that one day I can do the same thing with them that Lugerman does with reproduction Lugers.
That would be one of the guns that everybody finds cool, but nobody wants to pay the 4k+$ it would cost in today's money to build.
@@411.48R yeah, the reproduction FG 42s are $5500. I figure that any working reproduction firearm is going to be about that.
this thing would've sold like hotcakes in Interwar China.
If it could be afforded..
Wouldnt this have been illegal there? I thought the reason the C96s were so popular there was because they werent actually carbenes and therefore allowed to be exported to China.
@@shotforshot5983 Those warlords were capable to purchase these babes for their guard troops. They even bought some amount of M1928s and MP28s.
@Adam Halsey I hope so, but I doubt they'd make it the same quality as NationaleǝlɐuoᴉʇɐN
Tantalpyro c96 with shoulder stock carbines are extremely popular, they armed entire platoon with this thing and use them as extra support unit running around in front line during anti-Japanese war
I totally nerd out on Mauser C96 variants (and am a total geek for the 06/08)! All the early semi-autos are fascinating to me, with their seat-of-the-pants designs, over-engineering, and old-world/steampunk craftsmanship. That is one nifty, uber cool little carbine. I imagine producing one like it today with the same internals would cost about as much as a gently used Toyota sedan, but I could sure find a use for one. :) Thanks for showing this!
Absolutely love your passion and content, the best TH-cam has to offer! Keep up the good work through 2020.
Untill the brown shirts at google decide that this channel isnt good wholesome content and go out of their way to hide it that is......
@@inhumanfilth681 when they do theyll find an angry mob on their hands
@@inhumanfilth681 Ian is on Full30, a firearms video site, so he has a solid backup in case TH-cam tries to shut him down.
@@TammoKorsai sweet!!! His content is the best in the world :)
What a beautifully crafted prototype, what is the capacity of the first mag, the second from the left is a ten, as usual a great review sir.
Always a treat from fireplace collector!
I swear that fireplace is something he carries around with him and only brings out for the best museums.
"If you will indulge me for a moment... I'll nerd out about the magazines...."
Nerd away Ian, nerd away!
Saw it mentioned in C&Rsenal video few days ago, and now Gun Jesus tell me more about it. Awesome!
I always wonder when that happens if it was at all planned, I know a few times they have covered the same topics at the same time by coincide.
I really enjoy watching your videos Ian, especially this series on broom handles. I dug up enough benjamins to by a C96 bolo in 7.63 which dates around 1927 by s/n. Not a big deal gun but lots of fun. Thanks again for the videos
What is really appealing about these damn Mausers and Lugers is just how exquisitely machined they are.
Sucks that this is so rare. It’s one of the most beautiful guns I’ve ever seen.
The 06/08 Mauser is a gorgeous design it’s a shame it never went anywhere
It looks like a really handy carbine, and really nice to shoot
@@feraligatorade99 not the same gun, search for the video on the 06/08
Mr Fireplace has one impressive colection.
😲 i do get this right now.
He has a Salvator-Dormus pistol AND a Trench Carbine, this guy must be loaded
@@orbitalzero8745 Or he's just been at this a really long time, before the competition heated up. Early bird gets the worm... ;-)
He certainly does.
Mr Fireplace has talked with Ian, in the past ..
Another prototype weapon DICE put into BF1 and BFV. Respect.
Interesting. Looking at what you showed, I had the impression that the carbine had been simplified in various ways from the traditional C96 parts. So while it would have involved expense to change the production line, overall, it might have ended up being a cheaper gun to make in production. Of course that still might have been more expensive than the competitors.
It’s so sad that only 40 were made because this gun looks so cool
"Hopefully you guys enjoyed the video as much as I did." Ian, I don't think that's physically possible
BEAUTIFUL example there, wow! Thanks for the great work as always; great companion piece for C&R's recent MP-18 video.
I wish someone would put these into production again because i would totaly buy one
That Mauser is absolutely awesome love it love to have it just because of its historical value
I love the broom handle family of firearms. I really wish I have the opportunity to own one some day
Fantastic video, I have had an airsoft red 9 carbine for years that I couldn't identify for the longest time. Just so you know they make a full metal and wood airsoft copy with a beautiful brass buttplate.
Words cannot describe how much I want one of these.
Glad you got to 'review' this carbine and thanks for sharing it with us :)
Amazing video, as usual. I did never knew about these models.
The Machining and craftsmanship on this weapon is superb.
I bring to your attention the disassembly and assembly of various firearms in a beautiful animated format!
‘Hopefully you, guys, enjoyed the video’, says the guy with 1 million 870 subscribers. Hopefully they do. Cheers to TWO millions, Ian. And you know what, these videos of yours, they bloody help. Many thanks.
I picked up a lot of 3 Chinese import bolo's for a hundred bucks back in the 80's. They were horrid but I did manage to get one built out of the 3, they had a ton of rust and pits so I took the best frame and the best parts, polished them to a passable degree and hot blued the in our tanks when we 3 smiths got together and did a batch of bluing. (I did re-blue the other 2 as well but not as well). Took the lot to a gun show and managed to get 300 out of the 3, enough for a couple nice pistols to add to my collection if I remember right. I told the buyer of the whole gun not to shoot it, but he said he was going to shoot some old 30 Mauser out of it. I never saw the buyer again, don't know if he really did shoot it or not. Overall it was an interesting project, I sort of wish I had kept the complete gun but it would just lay gathering dust now as the rest of my guns are. Don't get out of the house much any more except to go visit my Doctors.
That is awesome. One of the days I hope to have time in my machine shop to fab a few things, and I think a project based on this just went to the top of the list.
Ooooh I want one!
It is amazing how complicated in design that it cannnot be made today with cnc macines. Yet hundreds of thousands were made for over 45 years.
One day Ian will reveal th mystery of the ages: Who is Fireplace Guy?
It has already been revealed, if you look back through early videos ..
@@williestyle35 so spill beans
@@pilgrimm23 the beans are still in the bag. I'm upset.
I need a reproduction version!
Damn, imagine during the war, every German trench had a bunch of these in them or they storm allied trenches with these instead of rifles
Let the war go to 1919 and they would have had a crapload of MP 18s
It evened out with the us using shotguns
@@goldendash1527 LOL!!! Shotguns were a US fetish and pretty much useless for anything other than propaganda.
Go watch C&R arsenal to learn.
@trauko1388 shotguns (pump) is a great close combat weapon. The trombone action actually brings it on back to ready position. What it lacks is any significant range.
If it was only a US fetish then other countries (notably the USSR and later Russia) wouldn't also be manufacturing semi and full auto military shotguns. Experienced pump combat shot gunners can engage and hit 5 targets in as many seconds with about a 3 second per round reload time.
In WW1 there were very few firearms which had as rapid per target engagement time, and for the most part those were pistols which take far more practice to hit moving targets and re-aquire the next one.
I'm not a shotgun fan...I'd much rather use explosives for trench warfare.
@@trauko1388 looks like we've got a salty hun! It's not a warcrime if you win btw.
One of the coolest guns you have introduced us to.
"Intuitively obvious to even the most casual observer." Ian going all firearms nerd.
May have been some paraphrasing...
I have only seen a painting of this gun, but I fell in love with the looks
I don't no what it is, but there is something about these sorta pistols with bits stuck on that makes me all warm inside.
I love the hammer doubling as the bolt release
My grandfather had a later reproduction version of a mauser carbine similar to this. Super cool
I wouldn't mind having a modern repro just as long as it says it's a repro and nobody can try to pawn it off as an original.
That's a piece of art that happens to also shoot bullets.
What a unicorn of a firearm! Thanks for putting out this video! Really enjoy these little history lessons!
So much potential in that gun
2:55 what a sight
How on earth do you find such rare guns? :o If there's only like 3 or 4 of these in existence? It blows my mind! Awesome video!
That disassembled beautifully
I still kick myself for not buying a broomhandle when I had the chance. I always learn something on your channel. I was not even aware that they made carbines for commercial trade.
Great review Ian
Germans- want a portable and compact carbine.
Mauser- LOOOOONG PISTOL!!
Yes. This thing is finally reviewed by Ian.
Already featured in BF1 and BF5.
In Hardcore Mode on BF1 this thing was sick.
@@peteradvisers2684 True lol
Thank you Ian!! Just what makes me a happy patreon!!!
Look cool, I would want to see it on the range.
Fascinating presentation Ian. Thank you
Another great Mauser, and just in time for Star Wars!
Very Cool Mauser 1917 Trench Carbine !!!!!!!! Thanks for showing it , Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!
Funny you should mention the 'difficult reassembly' thing. It's only a difficult reassembly procedure if you haven't had to do it a dozen (or more) times in one night while you're slowly falling asleep from exhaustion as you try to fit a replacement disconnector/sear spring to one. I can still just about do it with my eyes closed and it's been a few years since I had that experience.
Oh and it happened to be one of those semi-auto converted 712 models that I believe Briklee (or something like that) brought in from China and made new grip frames for, so it isn't exactly the most well fitted pistol ever made. At least it did come with a genuine 712 stock even though it doesn't fit (they didn't quite cut a full stock slot, possibly intentionally) and I can't legally put it on it anyway, so I paired it with a different M30 model broomhandle that is all original (except for the grips, which were rotten) which can legally fit a stock.
Small edit after watching a bit further- The 712 I mentioned does still have the hammer hold-open feature, though the notch is a slightly more rounded divot rather than the almost hook-like slot this has. It's actually quite useful to me, as my local range requires all guns to be locked open with detachable mags removed during cease fire periods, so it gives me a way to lock it open with the mag out and not have to jam one of those plastic things into the action. I've had bad experiences with those plastic things and old style, top mounted, spring steel pistol extractors. The Type 14 Nambu for instance, had an extractor snap right off at some point, either during firing or just before, and it's possible that plastic thing had something to do with it. A real shame too, it was a matching gun, down to that extractor until that happened, though I do still have the stub of the extractor with the number on it somewhere.
They did make a version very similar to the trench carbine that was full auto later on in the 30s they both look identical at first glance
Would have been cool if Mauser made the pistol able to change out the front barrel section for when it is used as a rifle so the stock is added and has a long barrel along with the magazine added to the gun for both pistol and rifle mode.
Ian, I just love to hear you ramble.
What a nice little carbine. It is a shame it did not see service. Looks like it would be a handy weapon to use in the trenches, if you could keep it running.
That is the most beautiful gun I’ve ever seen
What a beauty The MI Carbine but decades before that weapon.
That looked incredibly easy to disassemble fof a Mauser C96
Wish my C96s disassembly were that easy !
Isn't this in battlefield 1? I haven't played in a long while so I forgot
Yep
but in battllefield V , yes .
Ian really likes this one.
Hmmm if mauser could make a pcc why cant glock??
@@bmstylee they are kinda like apple
@@techpriest5452 but, they dont add another three figure for each model... right??
@@Ranger_Brutus all ruger carbimes are great i love the 10 22 there cheap the ammos cheap and there fun
@@Ranger_Brutus high point 995 is about half that cost. In MY OWN experience It works well with the redball 20 round mags. They arent sleek looking, but they are accurate, reliable, and cheap!
@N-Word Salesman trolls lol.
Just watched the Inrange Q&A where you and Karl talked about this last night!
Really cool gun
As always Ian, great content and video, thanks for sharing
I hope you get to examine a Type 80 one day, the last of the C-96 descendants.
Thanks for saying "Schnellfeuer" correctly ( not like "Schnellfewer" ).
Weiter so - keep it up :) , I love it.
By the way the "e" in "Pistole" is actually non-silent :3
That little gun was so cool.
I'm always amazed how beautiful these are. I hate that I missed my chance to own one.
You're a great man, love your videos 💙
That so needs to become a production DL-44 blaster.
really neat WWI trench pistol carbine
Love the disassembly!
He was very forward thinking with that 10 round magazine, makes it easier on Californians.
Yea, and for us unlucky Canadians too... :(
Well you see people in California can't have large magizenes because it wasn't fair for the criminals. Criminals are not that smart so this makes it a fair fight.
@DOUG HEINS I know they need the extra shots to make things equitable. California where everyone needs to be equal.
@DOUG HEINS I am so glad that they do. It is better to watch those crazy people suffer as an example, than to have the whole Country fall. Their dark vision of the future is exposed for all to see. Be of good Cheer, everything that has been hidden has been revealed.
@DOUG HEINS Luck for us the Left does not have Children and when left alone they eat each other.
Firing in full auto and the entire upper receiver falls off
I think the appeal of a buttplate on a trench carbine would be the ability to beat someone to death with it
Different height magasin stops would bee a good way to stop using the wrong caliber magazine
Magnificent piece U have there Ian! please take it to the range! looks so collectable!
Yet again, Ian has shown me a gun I really want.
Looks like that magazine only get a little recognition after the introduction of MP-18. Such a shame
Surely a repro of this would sell very well indeed? Especially if it were a pistol ATF complient arm-brace attachment T slot milled into the grip like the later schnellfeuer? If i lived in USA that would be a much cooler range toy than most 9mm ARs... except maybe for the Cmmg Guard in 9mm
Ian: *makes vid about WW1 gun*
BF1 misfits: *Allow us to introduce ourselves*
Gorgeous looking gun
"hey Ian, would you like to do a video on my hundred year old rare prototype -blank-. I have five to ten other hundred year old guns from the same family you can compare it to" - The Fireplace Collection Man.
I had no idea that Mauser made a magazine fed "C96" prior to the Schnellfeuer. Maybe some stalwart like Lugerman will see this and make some reproductions?
I always wondered why Mauser never made the pistol have a detachable magazine considering the design of the pistol looks like it would easily be modified for a large magazine but little did I know they made this rifle. I wish they would have taken this magazine idea and added to the C96 so the pistol could have a huge amount of ammo capacity while looking awesome cuz it would have a giant magazine in the front
The most steampunk weapon ever.
Maybe not quit as much but almost!! Thank you for the great content!!
Dice: oh no no no.. you mean its mass produced and every force used it...