Sounds like the UK apprentice scheme is slightly different to ours in Australia, here it was one day a week at TAFE for three of your four year apprenticeship, but during that day, half the day was 'theory' and the other half was 'practical' in the TAFE workshops- where you wired fuseboxes, did 'newbuild' and 'rewire' on existing walls etc (the various trades all worked together, the carpenters would learn their trades building a wall, then the sparkies would practice wiring both during the build and afterwards on a finished wall etc), plus all the other skills needed for commercial or domestic wiring...
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Couldn’t get my head around that either 😂 if anything you’d get a better earth fault loop path if you branched straight off that socket, maybe Jordan charges 5 quid a wago 😂😂
@@pezzpezz7272 it's one of those things with the electrical trade in the UK... there are as many ways to do things as there are electricians. I agree re: Zs tho
Great video Lee. you are more comfortable in front of the camera and the info you are relating to us is coming easily to you .which makes for interesting and enjoyable viewing. I like Reuben's piece on the difference between college and on the job learning. You are at the stage now where your skill lavel and understanding are increasing. I think Jordan has created a good working environment which has fostered a good learning space where you can excel. Its in everyone's best interest that you succeed most of all you. The Theory is as important as the practical. So now get the info you need by asking questions of your teachers and seek out the mentors there that you currently have at work. Great hair by the way !! looks like your going to be as tall as Dad (Cory)
In the states we deal a lot with those situations when adding receptacles. Usually those are referred to as fire stops or “cats”. You see them a lot in new and old constructions.
Good old school trunking lid! With all the super rod stuff I have and the attachments, cables tongues, spiraflex and gheko etc sometimes the best ways are the old ones 👌🏻🤜🏻🤌🏻
Cool extending the radial. Will you note at the CU that the breaker marked upstairs sockets will now include 1 downstairs socket? Totally get why you did it that way and it makes perfect sense. Really like the videos like this when you're figuring out the options and he best way to complete the job.
was it a noggin or a stud that they had to go around? Are studs always vertical? I can do electrical terminology but I only know the bare minimum when it comes to bits of wood in houses :D
Same boat as Reuben, college don’t teach you much what will actually help you in day day out being a sparky, until you get work experience it’s nothing like the real thing
Would a stud finder not have been useful, great job and tidy job but would it not have saved a lot of time. I'm interested in buying one for this purpose that's why I am asking.
Lol 😂 blocking in the wall, it’s a stairwell, they really don’t work much w wood construction over there, he literally hacked out a stud pack and did structural damage in an EV video!!! Poor lee, learning your lessons on TH-cam is a rough go of it
to be fair, nobody expects wood in walls to be structural in the UK.,.... but yes, learning lessons in public is harsh, he takes it well, and we all have to learn!
Just some feedback about the approach taken with adding a socket to the upstairs radial circuit that might have some unintended consequences. So by extending the radial circuit rather than branching off to the new socket you will have unnecessarily increased the resistance in the circuit that will lower the R1+R2 values for all the sockets that follow on the from the point were the new socket was added. This could result in those sockets no longer being within the design parameters for the circuit e.g. Zs values being to high for the protective device. The other is that the cables to the new socket were run in a thermally insulated wall so the derating factor of the cables current carrying capacity will now apply to all the remaining sockets from that point onwards. Whilst the the approach was well intentioned it negates the benefits of a radial circuit which allows you to have branches that keep cable lengths to a minimum reducing IR2 losses and avoids having to apply derating factors associated with one point to all remaining points. Even if it had been a ring circuit a spur would have been the better option due to the thermal insulation in the wall alone.
Won't they have tested it afterwards? Especially seeing as Jordan insists on minor works certs which I think is really good because some trades would leave without you having any documents.
@@AndyHobson I am not suggesting that they would not have tested the circuit. I am saying that it struck me as a bit of an odd decision to take a course of action that potential derates the current carrying capacity of the cable and impacts other points of utilisation on the circuit when it was unnecessary and wasteful (use of unnecessary cable). Also with regards to the derating factors from the potential change in installation method, testing would not pick this up as it would have to recalculated. In reality, without having all the specifics (which we will never get from a TH-cam video) does it matter, did it have an impact etc., etc. we will never know and I am not saying that what they did was noncompliant, just not in my personal view the best way of tackling this based on the information I could see in the video. So my comment wasn't meant as a derogatory critique but intended as some feedback, for them to consider and either take onboard or disregard. I would hope that in general, they find the feedback useful and see them as an opportunity to improve.
What was the outcome of the house where you chipped away part of the wall to run the SWA im sure we are all interested.? I always make a hole on the outside of the socket position in case you have just missed a stud if thats the case you cant open the box wings. FYI yoj will invariably find a cross stud in a stud wall approx half way up.
Any chance you are going to follow up on the D Line installation that you need fire rated fixings aswell. No point chucking plastic raw plugs in if they are going to melt and it all falls on you.
That 300mm reg does my head in when I'm installing fire. Just seems so overkill especially on a upturned tray, I'm not sure it does apply to other cabling... anyone know more on this subject?
I've run into that problem before and inserted a 48" flexible drill bit into the new socket hole to drill through the noggin, without cutting out an additional access hole.
Love the videos. But how a comes tech focused and tech pushing company is still doing things the old skool. Jordan get yourself over the road to ridgeons and buy some stud sensors for the lads.
please can we just appreciate reuben's hair? 🤩 it deserves a channel of it's own!
Another cracking video team Artisan!
Can see how everyone genuinely gets on with each other 👌🏽
Really good video showing what a pain it can be to add power outlets in domestic buildings. Impressive work gentlemen
Excellent narration and thanks for the tips Lee.
Sounds like the UK apprentice scheme is slightly different to ours in Australia, here it was one day a week at TAFE for three of your four year apprenticeship, but during that day, half the day was 'theory' and the other half was 'practical' in the TAFE workshops- where you wired fuseboxes, did 'newbuild' and 'rewire' on existing walls etc (the various trades all worked together, the carpenters would learn their trades building a wall, then the sparkies would practice wiring both during the build and afterwards on a finished wall etc), plus all the other skills needed for commercial or domestic wiring...
Make sure you head over the D-Line Instagram to give them a follow and check the Link In Bio to try out some free samples of their amazing products - bit.ly/3lqpWoM-D-Line
good job ,Lee, Reuben and John , all good knoll-age for Reuben
Nothing wrong with the methods of adding the new socket, but ain’t that the best thing of a radial, the fact you can just branch off?
Couldn’t get my head around that either 😂 if anything you’d get a better earth fault loop path if you branched straight off that socket, maybe Jordan charges 5 quid a wago 😂😂
@@pezzpezz7272 Agree waste of cable.
@@pezzpezz7272 it's one of those things with the electrical trade in the UK... there are as many ways to do things as there are electricians. I agree re: Zs tho
Very nice job with minimal damages. 👍👌
Well done lads, fantastic job as always. 👍👍👍
Thanks 👍
You’ve got some good blokes Jordan. Make sure you look after them… it’s easy to think you can find someone better
Great video Lee. you are more comfortable in front of the camera and the info you are relating to us is coming easily to you .which makes for interesting and enjoyable viewing.
I like Reuben's piece on the difference between college and on the job learning. You are at the stage now where your skill lavel and understanding are increasing. I think Jordan has created a good working environment which has fostered a good learning space where you can excel. Its in everyone's best interest that you succeed most of all you. The Theory is as important as the practical. So now get the info you need by asking questions of your teachers and seek out the mentors there that you currently have at work.
Great hair by the way !! looks like your going to be as tall as Dad (Cory)
In the states we deal a lot with those situations when adding receptacles. Usually those are referred to as fire stops or “cats”. You see them a lot in new and old constructions.
Top notch can’t beat hands on simple 👏👏
Great video guys 😎
Thank you 😁
Good old school trunking lid! With all the super rod stuff I have and the attachments, cables tongues, spiraflex and gheko etc sometimes the best ways are the old ones 👌🏻🤜🏻🤌🏻
yes. Very good practical video. More please.
16:55 cheers for that.
Great team of lads fair play
Cool extending the radial. Will you note at the CU that the breaker marked upstairs sockets will now include 1 downstairs socket? Totally get why you did it that way and it makes perfect sense. Really like the videos like this when you're figuring out the options and he best way to complete the job.
The name for that "really small screwdriver" is technically a Bradawl - you can still purchase them.
Yeah, I'm no electrician but I was telling him: it's an awl mate! 👍
Mr John I love your glasses.
Kindly give details for it,
I wish get one for myself
i got one of those box thing jig things the last time lee mentioned it
it's great
The D-Line clips look nice. I tend to use strips of all round band in trunking. How does it compare cost wise? The all round band is about £4 for 10m
We tend to screw the trunking to the wall in my place. So it can be moved later without it taking the paint off the wall
love watching these I'm a carpenter so its quite funny on your terminology of joist everywhere 😂👌🏻 but if tried to talk sparky you'd laugh😂👍
was it a noggin or a stud that they had to go around? Are studs always vertical? I can do electrical terminology but I only know the bare minimum when it comes to bits of wood in houses :D
Thanka for the amazing Video.
Love you guys :)
What a beautiful house
Really good content!!! More like this kind of stuff will be good .. something different 😃
Thanks for the feedback! Glad you enjoyed the video.
Agreed, more install / mods of the house rather than car charger installs.. I much prefer these 😁
Same boat as Reuben, college don’t teach you much what will actually help you in day day out being a sparky, until you get work experience it’s nothing like the real thing
Great Content, Guys. , enjoy Watching and learning, And would it be Easy to have a stud finder, That Locate where the noggins are . ⚡️👊
That garage below the living room is not currently built....did you seal the holes?
I’m American. I read all your video titles and video descriptions in your accent involuntarily.
😅
For a brief moment, I thought you made my incredibly USP TH-cam channel of electrical work and fishing 🤦🏻♂️😄
😂 Just waiting for TH-cam to do its thing and bring all the fishing people in 🎣
That doesn’t look like 2x 15mm fibreboard on the garage ceiling. I thought it was ment to be that for fire regs ??
Good point there
When you use a padsaw only cut on the “in stroke” and you won’t chip the plaster 😉🙂
Why is extending the radial better than a spur?
It seems swings and roundabouts to me.
Would a stud finder not have been useful, great job and tidy job but would it not have saved a lot of time. I'm interested in buying one for this purpose that's why I am asking.
If he calls a stud a joist one more time, I swear I’ll scream 😂
Lol 😂 blocking in the wall, it’s a stairwell, they really don’t work much w wood construction over there, he literally hacked out a stud pack and did structural damage in an EV video!!! Poor lee, learning your lessons on TH-cam is a rough go of it
he insulted a noggin several times too! LOL
to be fair, nobody expects wood in walls to be structural in the UK.,.... but yes, learning lessons in public is harsh, he takes it well, and we all have to learn!
@@johnlee7622 believe it wasn’t structural
I liked the small screw driver technique. But for that bit at the beginning why not just use a stud finder?
It's a Bradawl, always in my tool bag, so very handy.
14:46 i thought that was a better idea.
Feel like you’ve added unnecessary joints to that radial feel like you might find it harder to know which socket goes to where when belling out
and there's probably blocking for future handrail on that wall.
Don't they sell stud finders in your part of the world?
Just some feedback about the approach taken with adding a socket to the upstairs radial circuit that might have some unintended consequences. So by extending the radial circuit rather than branching off to the new socket you will have unnecessarily increased the resistance in the circuit that will lower the R1+R2 values for all the sockets that follow on the from the point were the new socket was added.
This could result in those sockets no longer being within the design parameters for the circuit e.g. Zs values being to high for the protective device. The other is that the cables to the new socket were run in a thermally insulated wall so the derating factor of the cables current carrying capacity will now apply to all the remaining sockets from that point onwards. Whilst the the approach was well intentioned it negates the benefits of a radial circuit which allows you to have branches that keep cable lengths to a minimum reducing IR2 losses and avoids having to apply derating factors associated with one point to all remaining points. Even if it had been a ring circuit a spur would have been the better option due to the thermal insulation in the wall alone.
Won't they have tested it afterwards? Especially seeing as Jordan insists on minor works certs which I think is really good because some trades would leave without you having any documents.
@@AndyHobson you would
@@AndyHobson I am not suggesting that they would not have tested the circuit. I am saying that it struck me as a bit of an odd decision to take a course of action that potential derates the current carrying capacity of the cable and impacts other points of utilisation on the circuit when it was unnecessary and wasteful (use of unnecessary cable). Also with regards to the derating factors from the potential change in installation method, testing would not pick this up as it would have to recalculated.
In reality, without having all the specifics (which we will never get from a TH-cam video) does it matter, did it have an impact etc., etc. we will never know and I am not saying that what they did was noncompliant, just not in my personal view the best way of tackling this based on the information I could see in the video. So my comment wasn't meant as a derogatory critique but intended as some feedback, for them to consider and either take onboard or disregard. I would hope that in general, they find the feedback useful and see them as an opportunity to improve.
is that normal having an exposed meter board? 3:30
Very normal
Every house should have a wiring diagram and a floor layout plan
What was the "fancy tape measure"? I need a new one.
Unilite.
10:46 Rueben straight in no kissing
What are those shoe covers called pls?
MukGuard
About £20 per pair
@@stupot_64 thanks
What was the outcome of the house where you chipped away part of the wall to run the SWA im sure we are all interested.? I always make a hole on the outside of the socket position in case you have just missed a stud if thats the case you cant open the box wings. FYI yoj will invariably find a cross stud in a stud wall approx half way up.
The house fell down
@@artisanelectrics i heard the explanation in at least 2 videos, i think it was the big bad wolf wasn't it? he'd eaten his weetabix that morning
@@artisanelectrics oh dear that bad eh.
This is the rebuilt house.
@@mattmanslim Brave customers letting Lee back in the property in that case.
Any chance you are going to follow up on the D Line installation that you need fire rated fixings aswell. No point chucking plastic raw plugs in if they are going to melt and it all falls on you.
19.41 every few meters? I'm an alarm engineer and we have to do them every 300mm. Thought that was the regs 🤔
That 300mm reg does my head in when I'm installing fire. Just seems so overkill especially on a upturned tray, I'm not sure it does apply to other cabling... anyone know more on this subject?
@@paddington4815 We've been told by the National Security Inspectorate it's every 300mm for all cables even low voltage not just for fp
@@paddington4815 agreed, it is over kill but we will be pulled up on audits for it
@@austinoutdoors5967 I'll have to show this to the guy that does the audit🤣 it's a pain in the arse
@@fredwardofalconist4th454 haha, good luck! A lot of you alarm engineers do really nice work though so the audits seem to keep high standards
I've run into that problem before and inserted a 48" flexible drill bit into the new socket hole to drill through the noggin, without cutting out an additional access hole.
Sorry, what's a _radial?_
Think of a radial like a tree where the consumer unit is the base of it.
Noiice
Doesn't want to spur off a radial for the first socket..... then proceeds to spur off a radial on the second one! 🤣🤣
No he didn’t. The second socket has its own 16A MCB as he mentioned at some point in the video.
He used the spare 16A MCB for the second socket. Bit too keen with your trolling FarmerSteve.
A Challenge: how many times you can say RCBOs in one sentence
Love the videos. But how a comes tech focused and tech pushing company is still doing things the old skool. Jordan get yourself over the road to ridgeons and buy some stud sensors for the lads.
i dont get that luck 🙄
You gonna shorten those wires Reuben?
Why u using those clips when the cable isn’t fire rate? That cable will melt when the trunken is on fire anyway
It’s about stopping the cable from dropping and causing trip and entanglement hazards, the clips do not make the cable fireproof!
Premature collapse, all in the regs.