Don't Fall For Scams With Our Top Tips | GCN Tech Show 331
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- We know it can be tricky to navigate buying a used bike safely and confidently, so in this video, we explain how! Alex & Ollie give you a complete guide to avoid being scammed when buying a second-hand bike!
Also, in this week's show, "Hot Tech" is jam-packed full! We talk about slick aluminium bikes, new wheels, a new bike for MVDP, and Pinarello's newly-launched mountain bike! We also share some juicy bike vault submissions. Plus, the uploader is finally fixed!
Welcome! 0:00
How to not get scammed buying a used bike 0:39
How to avoid scams on Facebook marketplace 1:08
Scams as a seller 2:32
How to avoid falling victim: Meet in person and check the cash 4:02
Dodgy profiles 5:03
Where is the best place to buy a used bike? 6:06
Be wary if it’s too good to be true 7:52
Buying stolen bikes on accident 8:16
Fake frames 10:06
Overall "golden" rules 13:11
Hot and spicy tech 13:43
Our Limited Edition Camelbak bottles! 20:37
More hot tech 21:22
Comment of the week 24:07
Bike Vault 28:17
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Have you been the victim of a second hand bike scam? 🚴💸
I bought a new bike that had suspicious wear marks from a bike shop. I guess it counts 😂
A guy tried it on with me on BuyCycle funnily enough, sent me a jpg of his WhatsApp number and told me to do everything through that instead of the website - reported him and it was deleted the next day. THEY are everywhere, be careful!
I get them FB scam messages all the time where they offer you more or the price you're selling it at. I tend to go along with it until they say how they are going to pay. I'll report it to FB then as a scam.
I am the second hand bike scam unfortunately. I put stuff up for sale that has been hammered beyond belief and will snap at the welds soon. I don't really care, buying used bikes is silly and unsafe. Get the 12 dollar Tange square taper bottom bracket with boron steel axle and some decent square taper cranks and a frame, build your own bike up with smooth new parts. The 12 dollar Tange BB is smoother than 90% of modern tiny ball external bottom brackets anyway. This bottom bracket bearing used to be the legendary Shimano UN72 before Shimano started churning out mostly junk bottom brackets, Tange Seiki made them for Shimano.
If you want to buy one of these gaudy advertising bikes used that's on you. I see that as a luxury item purchase for rich people only.
@@___Bebo___yawn...
I retrieved a stolen bike (my friend's bike) when it was advertised on (name redacted) After I made sure it was his bike, I asked the seller to go for a test ride. I kept on going and never came back.
You should do an episode on recovering stolen bikes; pros and cons, etc, Pros: you recover a stolen bike. Cons: you could get hurt badly if you do it wrong.
Wow what happened next? Did they seller try and find you?
@@gcntech I immediately posted I recovered a stolen bike, and I think he got the message.
@@endcensorship874bike thief got off easy. I'd have called the police to come and catch him red-handed
@@bertmortier7678 Police don't do shit about bike thefts in my town. They could care less. The thief didn't get a sale, and my friend got his bike back. Him getting his bike back was not guaranteed if we got the police involved.
Loll you stole the bike form the thief 🤣
That Cannondale next to a cannon deserves a retroactive super nice. And if Ollie won't issue it, we need Dan to step in and give it a splendid. 😀
Jon can... Ring the bell 🔔
Agreed! Though I'm biased 😜
Funnily enough, I got the intention straight away and was surprised how they missed the cannon thingy!
One thing I've found surprisingly helpful when selling a bike online is asking the buyer how tall they are. I remember one person wanting to buy my 58cm bike who told me he was 5'7". When I told him I didn''t think he would be able to ride the bike, he suddenly switched his story to saying he was buying it for his father. And he didn't know how tall his father was. A little research on his part would have helped, but I guess he couldn't be bothered, and scamming has a low bar to get over.
If I was purchasing a premium or semi premium bike from Facebook or similar I would expect the owner to have a Strava account which comes in very useful to see how long they've owned the bike and how its been ridden and more.
That's a really good point! 👌 Use the data people 🙌
Bingo!
Good tip!
Here in the States, when I sell or buy things on Craigslist, I ask them to meet me at the local police station parking lot to make the sale.
@yamric Exactly what I was told. I was also told to try to get to the Police station a little early and go inside to ask if someone could keep an eye on things. Keeps everybody honest. I live in the west San Fernando Valley of Los Angeles. There is only 1 detective to handle all the hundreds and hundreds of stolen bikes. So, the cops would rather not have another stolen bike to deal with.
Lots of people suggesting this 👀
1)Always meet in public places with security cameras
2)Shops and restaurants typically have money markers, to check if money is fake, at their registers. Ask them to check it. Or just meet at a bank. Never take cash apps as most allow chargebacks. You'll lose your bike and your money.
3) Report bikes you suspect as being stolen. Seriously, don't be that person. Both Reddit and Facebook have stolen bike subs and groups to help owners find their missing bike. Ten minutes of your time can restore a fellow cyclist's faith in humanity.
Everyone who buys a new bike is getting scammed these days....
Could say that about most things.
I love the b-roll of you guys trying to sell bike parts in a park. For any Facebook marketplace meet up regardless of the price I always meet at the local police department
What do the police think of that?!
@@JonCannings They have a space for transactions to take place right at the local police HQ here.
@@JonCannings The police station is a public building paid for by the public's taxes, and the police working inside work for you. Who cares what they think about what you are doing in YOUR building?
hilarious if you thought that was me!
Smart!!
I was working for a custom frame shop in the states that is known worldwide for titanium frames. We received notice from one of our partners in Asia that one of their customers brought in one of our frames that didn't look quite right. They shipped it to us for inspection and it was, in fact, a knockoff of one of our frames. The amount of time and skill it took for someone to hand machine and weld this frame was mind blowing. It was so well done that only people with very intimate knowledge of our frames would have been able to tell the difference.
That's crazy! Was it only one fake that you saw?
@@gcntech It was the only fake anyone there had ever seen and they have been making Ti frames since the mid 90s.
I'm guessing Litespeed
Reminds me of the story of the guy who forged $1 bills by painting them
I can’t recall the exact details but have heard scammers would pay twice very quickly using two separate payment methods, tell you they’ve double paid, ask for one of the payments back to third account and by the time you’ve transferred your money, both their original payments have been cancelled.
One extra tip I feel is worth mentioning is bring your tools!!
I've got a great deal on a road bike but shifters and front deraileur were poorly set up, so by having tools with me I was able to properly inspect it and adjust mechanical bits to make sure bike just needed some maintenance and not actually broken.
Even when I buy smaller parts like a stem or a seatpost, I always make sure I have my allen key set on me to check if any of the threads or bolts are stripped.
Ooo that's a good point! Do you find seller are happy for you to fiddle around with their bike?
Maybe check the seat post isn't seized while your at it?
I think you two are very entertaining and enjoyable to watch together. I appreciate everything you do. Thanks for just being you.
cheers! glad you like it
I have done a lot of riding of public transit with a bicycle, trains and such. I have met a couple of bike thieves on my trips, I was always cagey about people asking detailed questions of my bike. They are surprisingly knowledgeable about bikes. If you happen to be buying a bike from an actual thief, it is doubtful that you are going to trip them up.
Week 59 of asking for a “The UCI has no jurisdiction here” T-shirt
And you will not get it. “UCI” and logo are branded, meaning UCI has to approve the shirt, unless they will give it out for free (unlikely)
The UCI logo may be trademarked, but "UCI" as a word isn't. You can sell a tee with the word "Apple" in it, and you won't get in trouble, as long as you don't use the Apple logo. Same here.
"The Unique Client Identifier has no jurisdiction here"
Hey
Still cracks me up
Jesus Christ gcn make the shirt
Great content thanks for going through the process'. Great show, really enjoy what all of you do on the show!
Research the market price, inspect the bike thoroughly in person, meet in a public place, and trust your instincts.
Ollie it’s good to see your relationship with the Bell has improved over the years.
Being from central Europe, I was looking on our local bike reselling site for a "new" used bike. I found one, messaged the guy, and he said the bikes are in England, he is in England, but his friend van bring the bike to me (to a city like 20km from me) and I can go check it out there. I am pretty sure that guy was selling stolen bikes in the UK abroad. Non of his listings had papers, even the serial number on some frames were removed. I hope he got caught as he is not posting any new listings on that site.
I Buy/Sell bikes a lot due to working in a shop, we also operate trade ins via Marketplace and the sheer amount of scam messages per item listed is insane.
It's ridiculous. Someone is trying to scam me right now
It can be hard work can't it 👀
Great video this week, Boys! Thx!
Hope you learned something 🙌
These trading posts like eBay have been amazing game-changers for bikes and gear and I joined the fun 20 years ago when I realized that local thrift stores sold cool used bikes for next to nothing, like 15-bucks for early-model Trek or Cannondale or classic Schwinn Varsities and such. And I bought them for sale on eBay simply to help fellow cyclists looking for those bikes. And a LBS, where I was a good customer, gave me bike boxes and tho' I can't say I ever made much or any money with these sales, I sure enjoyed making people happy with the bikes they bought from me. One gent, who bought a Falcon and picked it up in person, was over the moon about the pristine graphics on the frame, and he had authorization from Falcon in England to reproduce them for Falcon enthusiasts. And I might get back into selling some cycling products as, well, I still have the hot hand with deals on wheels at thrift stores and places with local vendors of vintage wares. 😀
I bought a lugged steel Colnago frame while I lived in Amsterdam - it was unpainted and had surface rust but was straight and cheap so I pulled the trigger.
It was only when I tried to build it up that I discovered it had an English threaded bottom bracket (and no serial number) - there were apparently some Dutch frame builders who made fake Colnagos during the 80s and 90s… they even hand cut the clover leaf into the lugs!
I decided that even though it was not “real” it was still a nice frame with good geometry and nice tubes - for what I paid I was OK with it 😊
That's somewhat cool though isn't it 👀AN old school fake 😉
I've seen those being sold in Belgium as faux-lnago. They have nice paintwork, and at least you know up front they aren't the real deal.
I did not really mind if it was real or not - at the time I just wanted a road bike that fit me - I planned to spray it myself.
I ended up moving to the US with it and swapping it for a real lugged Italian bike - a Ciocc with its original fork - it’s still a lovely bike and I get it out on sunny days. 😊
Me, on the way to sell a MTB on Facebook Marketplace today: 😳 😂
Good luck hope it goes well :)
@@bones642 What they said ☝
Eeeek nasty! What did you do?
I'm old so I follow this old golden rule, if its to good to be sure, it usually is.
Great advice about secondhand buying & well presented lad
It would have been funny if Calvin at Park Tool put his arm around Si's shoulder and said, "You're my favorite tool.".
😂
@@JonCanningsJon, I have some 80s/90s vintage time pedals and cleats. Interested?
We cut that bit out 😉
Buying used is a bit of a nightmare- short of testing every bolt and adjuster you are taking a chance that someone else hasn't horrifically bodged some part of it. I'm wary of anything on marketplace as so much of it is blatant scamming you end up trusting nobody...
*Juicy bike vault action!* is Grade A marketing!!!
I'm fairly certain I'm a proud owner of a fake Francisco Moser frame. I don't know for sure if it's fake but don't know how to check. I bought it because I liked it and since it was cheap and I didn't know any better. I rode it for a couple of hundreds of kilometers and then gave it to my dad. Nothing wrong with it, and it's surprisingly light for a 40ish year old steel bike (about 10-11kg.) In the end, I got a decent deal on an average vintage bike, just probably not the one it claims to be.
When buying/selling in fb. Im always going to think im getting rob or scammed. So im always vigilant.
When i was selling my bike a buyer told me to go to a certain location for a meet up, that place is a bit isolated. So i ask him to meet in the nearest subway 2km away from the place he mentioned. He didnt rply anymore. Dont just focus on the bikes but for your safety as well.
That's a great point! Always be in the lookout 👀
Andi P here, i'll take a nice for the Mares, sorry about the t shirt!
Buyers on eBay may claim that the item you sold is broken or not as described and try to scam you out of money.
When I’ve sold high end used bikes via Facebook, have always done the transaction in the parking lot of our local police station - not at my home, face to face, and only cash.
Interesting! The police don't mind?
Last summer as I was shopping for a used hardtail for my rapidly growing son to ride, I saw a Specialized Epic XC bike that should have been about $8000 poorly photographed in front of a rental storage unit and advertised for $450 on Marketplace. My working assumption is that it was either stolen, being sold by someone who didn't know what they had (like someone selling her ex's stuff), OR it was an outright scam. As two of the three options were bad and it would have been a two hour drive to find out, I drove fifteen minutes and spent $200 on a Giant that someone else's son had outgrown.
I will tell an old story. Way back in the day (40 years to be honest) and before the internet, my brother sold a frame. The check bounced. The buyer was honest and made the sale good. A year later, when I was stated at RAF Bentwaters (Woodbridge Suffolk) I me the young man. One of my engine technicians.
Aeroad is the only road bike you need. It’s shockingly comfortable to ride while being pretty light and a good climber. My favorite bike ever.
Olli is sooooooooo great, I love his hair, his hand gestures really do it for me too. If only he thought he was more superior, I'd love him even more.
Mum?
A Cannondale by a cannon and a dale, a Giant next to a giant, and even the Focus was in focus 🤯
The fun fact about Ollie’s cold properly made me laugh out loud 🤣
I actually once got a counterfeit chain from the Shimano store on Amazon. I had no idea until it wore out after only 500 miles. Now I only buy chains in store.
We we're involved in a very similar scam 👉 th-cam.com/video/GmFAmmHBjzc/w-d-xo.html
Great video, I think the takeaway here might be, "meet them in person", or did I miss something? Just kidding loved the video.
Never meet the buyer seller at your house because it could be a site inspection 😅
Bingo!
When buying expensive bike on a used market the two most important things are 1) always ask for a frame serial number so you can confirm authenticity as almost all expensive brands have it, and 2) proof of sale so you can see if store really exists and the bike was actually bought there. Beware of expensive frame replicas with otherwise real components on them or bikes that had logos replaced like Tarmacs with normal carbon frames that had S-works logo put on to deceive buyers.
I met a fellow rider who had his sworks stolen; and then the thief tried to sell it a few months later for a significantly lower price; unfortunately, to a buddy of the guy who owned that bike! Serial number used to confirm!
I have one of the Park Tool WH-1 tools, flipping awesome for dealing with the wheel. I picked it up at a yard sale for $25 from a homeowner where the tenant scammed her for 6 months worth of rent and bailed leaving a bunch of tools and furniture. So she was selling things they left. Bad for them, worked out for me.
Come on guys!!!! Biggy Big looks much better aesthetically especially on 1x Gravel bikes
Biggy middles?
@@gcntech nope..👎🏻
Actually depends on the size of the dinner plate.. we don’t the derailleur stretched to far forward so maybe biggy middles might be an option
Christopher Wallace is the only option.
A great video would be how not to get scammed while selling a bike. Happened to a friend of mine who was asked to let someone mail a check and it never came. There are more signs than were mentioned.
had one guy take me to court because i sold him a “bad” bike and wanted a refund and to keep the bike… case was dropped and he wasted both our times. Note i had nothing wrong with bike and had been using for weekend rides just fine for a few years. He test rode and we came to deal. Lesson learned- record the person trying your bike on sale and hold some collateral while they test so they dont run off.
Did this case go all the way to court?
@@gcntechyes it did, i had to show up two times. Ultimately it was dropped and there was no final hearing.
I vote for the Focus because it is so practical and obviously well looked after but especially for the Gold chain...despite the laundry.....😁
I had a friend buy a fake specialized bike. It broke and he brought it to a specialized dealer for repair. They informed him it was fake. They repossessed it but gave him a real one at a discount.
Wow that is amazing service! 🙌 Do you know what bike they got?
Sounds like a good basis for a scam 🤔
Proper Beavis and Butthead vibes this week lads.
Too good to be true. And there’s me, selling 100miles used (test) bikes for half the price or even less..
I love large glasses to keep debris out of my eyes. Can’t ride without them, I’ve tried. Function is fashion!
It's great when they go hand in hand 🤝
I, like, liked the video. Like it was so cool like.
It's really changed a lot from, say, 30 years ago. In the early days of the Internet, before the scammers had showed up, it was remarkable what you could get away with. I sold a laptop through some shipping or delivery service successfully (can't remember if it was the postal service or FedEx) for $900 in about 1997 COD. No way would that have been safe by the 2000s, let alone now.
I worry about buying used carbon bikes since we can't see tiny cracks or fractures easily with the naked eye.
Any reasonable tips short off sending the bike for a full scan?
tiny cracks are really overrated, i have many carbon and ridden more, all with ZERO cracks!! i wiegh 170 pounds, maybe a 300 pound dude mountain bike?....usually cracks can be heard as squeaking when riding or vibration when tapped...chips by rocks, ya..carbon front wheels ya check out
Yeah, if you're in the States, or at least North America, google The Pros Closet. Their used bikes are gone over by a mechanic, and they give you a warranty. You can even sell your bike to them.
Rim tracks and barrel adjusters
What I am afraid of is someone trying to sell me a damaged frame. Buying used, I know I will need to refresh some components, but a cracked frame means you're out of luck.
I sell a lot of my old bikes online and always use FB marketplace first. I’ve had to price my Orbea Terra (still for sale btw😉) at £1600 on eBay compared to £1250 on marketplace to get the same amount after fees.
You can't rely on the legal system to protect you. You file a report and they tell you that they won't recover any of your money but they appreciate you taking the time to make the report which will help them build an overall picture of online crime. Their crime-fighting amounts to gathering statistics.
Looking shiny today lads. :)
@GCN @GCNtech Asking again for you to bring back the GCN Inspiration segment and submissions. Those photos like the Cannondale last week should be in that, not the bike vault, since the bike isn't necessarily the sole focus of the photo.
We'll see what we can do 🙌 How about we put it on the community tab of TH-cam?
I love a marketplace bargain!
Best one you've picked up?
It would be great if you could ride and review the kinds of bike your average viewer can afford. I so often see high end bike reviews and wonder what the 105 or Ultegra version is like.... and consider myself luck to be even considering those.
Need to see that WH1 in action please
I was at my local bike shop one day and someone was having a frame inspection on a pinarello and it turned out to be fake.
I often ask sellers to take a picture of the item, but with a random object also in frame. (AI tools may make this method obsolete.) But if the seller sends me a picture of the item with a banana next to it (somewhat promptly), then I'm a little more confident it's not a scam.
when I was new to cycling I bought a what i tought was a Pinarello Dogma F8 Sky edition from a friend, turned out it was a chinarello. Bought it for around 2500 quid.
I don't really post cycling stuff on my fb account so as not to bore my non cycling friends. I save all that for strava where my friends have effectively bought into following my cycling.
Buy from your local cycle shop.
My wife bought me some cycling kit from a bike shop that I picked straight away was counterfeit as no shop sells full pro kit for $100 and it wasn’t even the teams clothing supplier either etc
Bonjour All ! I only buy used from my local bike shop . I m able to put together Cannondale carbon frame with zipp carbon wheels ( (power
what am i missing on the sturdy i dont see cranks at all ?
I have always insisted upon seeing the frame number around the bottom bracket so I can search whether it has been reported stolen on the bike registry. If they question it beyond asking where to find it then it's a red flag.
lol it’s like this video was aimed at me. I’ve been considering buying a very dodgy frame online but it’s not sensible despite being a bargain
When I sell stuff on FB, I always get people asking whether it's available, I reply with a yes, and I never hear back from them again. I get it so much that I'm sure it's some kind of scam but I have no idea why or how it would be. Is that a thing? With that said, I have sold many things successfully without any problems. I always check out their profile to see if it's legit and I engage them with several questions about the item within the chat just to get a feel of whether this could be dodgy or not. If my gut says so, I don't sell it to them.
The bots are writing automatically to thousands of listings, then the actual scammer goes through the answers, and only chats with the person who looks like it would be the easiest to scam, also with a bigger value item.
I think when you respond, the person asking "if it's still available" receives your contact details.
23:12: you have the little slot where you put your thing in?!? Maybe that's why you have diffuculties to pump up disc wheels. I think that's not how it's supposed to work ;-)
I used to work in a local bike shop and we had a customer unknowingly buy a fake Specialized Sworks Tarmac Sl7 and fake Zipp 454 wheels (it was fairly obvious). In the end, the mechanic that was supposed to build the bike for him refused to build it because of safety concerns!
How did the customer take this?
@@gcntech he was a bit shocked to say the least. He got the bike built up elsewhere but the route the cables took around the headset on the fake frame was something to behold!
If all we need is a do-it-all allrounder bike, how are we supposed to waste our time and our savings on getting the n+1?
I once got scammed by a Nigerian prince. Worst rendition of "Purple Rain" I've ever heard.
Sometimes seller is going to repainting the bike in order to hide the crack frame. This could be a horrible for a buyer.
I still get flashbacks from trying to sell my old PC on Facebook marketplace *shudders*
I would guess the knock-off frames are mostly sold as a second hand bike already built up.
My profile was created 10 years ago and I dont think I have 100 "friends". Im a looser in that regard but I dont care because on group rides less people means less hassel.
I can’t remember model. This was pre-disc brake era. Carbon road bike
Also be wary of receiving payment confirmation from PayPal (or another service) via email, but the funds don’t actually show up in the same account.
You should do an episode where you look at local listings online, you blur the seller's id of course... Free content 🎉😂
Watch out for hacked FB profiles too. Dodged a scam last year where the profile looked sound but the coms with the seller didn’t ring true. Pretty sure the scammer had hacked a legit FB account.
Is that the first time Alex said "Love you, bye"? He's usually awkward about it when Ollie says it, but not a hint here at all when he says it himself.
Also you should sign a contract of purchase with a seller
SAY "GIRO" (and get sued). UPDATE: Uh oh...Ollie said it.
I have my bikes registered on bike index and bike register
While watching this video I got a scammer message "I would come tomorrow, but busy........DPD collection......🤔" F@#k off, block and delete! 🤬
Good thing to do suggest meet up in front of a police station if they don't want to do that then you know there's something going on.
You guys are always negative about UCI approved bikes but are there positives to having a UCI approved carbon frame??
I would always ask for a photo of the serial number and all bike companies I’ve ever asked will let you know if it’s genuine. Specialized have a special fraud and counterfeiting department who will tell you all about the frame, where it was originally sold etc. in my case they were especially interested because the guy worked for a Specialized dealer and was trying to scam me!!
If the person selling the bike isn't on Strava with pictures of the bike I'm out!
What if the Strava is private?
@@gcntech Dead to me I'm afraid, what type of person doesn't want to show the world how incredible they are. Same type of person with a couples shared Facebook account!
AliExpress rules 👍
Be wary of ads advertising hot single speed bikes in your city 😂