0:00 : *INTRODUCTION* 0:53 : We are not special 1:41 : Basic biological terminology 3:08 : *SEX* 3:12 : What is sex? 3:21 : *GAMETES* 3:21 : How we generally define sex in terms of gametes 3:45 : Why boxes won't fit everyone 4:28 : Problems with the definition - There are several species with males and females but their gametes are all the same size - We could try defining sex by mating types (who's giving/who's receiving gametes) but then some species have females implant their eggs into males who then give birth (seahorses for examples) - Fruit fly males have 3 different sizes of gametes, so by that there could be 4 sexes or at least 2 sexes but with 3 subspecies of males, and even then one of the sizes of the male gametes are larger than female gametes which violates rule we've made up about gamete sizes - Many species don't only produce one type of gamete for their entire lives - Some humans/animals can have ovotestes (testicular tissue on one side, ovarian tissues on the other. 6:21) 6:43 : *CHROMOSOMES* 6:55 : How we generally define sex in terms of chromosomes 7:14 : Problems with the definition - We are not all females by default then turn into males because of the Y chromosome, that is a myth. 7:55 : SRY - Splicing SRY (a gene found in Y chromosomes) into XX female mice gave them the ability to develop male genitalia, testes, and behaviors - Cutting out SRY from XY male mice gave them the ability to develop ovaries, feminine behaviors and even getting pregnant and having litters - However, SRY is not just a magical on and off switch for sex. - EG: female wallabies with XX chromosomes that don't have any egg cells at birth developed testes - EVERYONE HAS THE GENES FOR BOTH TESTES AND OVARIES 9:07 : SOX9 - SOX9 (on everyone's X chromosome) gives you testes, NR0B1 (on everyone's X chromosome) stops SOX9, SRY (on XY people's chromosomes) stops NR0B1 from stopping SOX 9 from making testes therefore allowing testes to be developed - SO you can have a perfectly functional Y chromosome and have a problem with your SOX 9 gene and end up with ovaries - OR you could have no Y chromosome at all but have a faulty NR0B1 gene and develop testicles 10:38 : *HORMONES* 10:46 : What basically is HRT in mice 11:02 : We ALL have ALL sex hormones + What they do 12:01 : Hormones don't really do much anyways 12:40 : Practically useless second X for people with XX chromosomes 13:00 : Useless Y chromosome for certain people with XY chromosomes 14:29 : *We are all VARIATIONS, not anomalies, not deformities, not defects.* 16:55 : *GENDER* 16:59 : What is gender? 18:02 : Differences in sexes with different species 18:50 : HUMAN MALES CAN LACTATE TOO 19:33 : We are not special, only difference is that we can communicate how our identity feels 20:11: *BRAINS* 20:22 : There are structural differences in females and males 21:00 : Trans people's brains match their identity and NOT their genitalia 21:41 : Cis homosexuals' brains match their sex so *trans men are not lesbians, trans women are not gay men* , there is a difference in sexuality and gender 22:03 : Homosexuality genes, WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR SEXUALITY 23:20 : What we've talked about so far 24:25 : Again, boxes are stupid 25:29 : *Why should we care? (trigger warning for suic*de)* , see the trevor project if you want to learn more 26:52 : His qualifications 27:17 : ✨s o u r c e s ✨, all 233 of them This is such a great video!!! I've been looking everywhere for a good list of facts that I can refer to when debating others, thank you so much! Only thing I would suggest is including non binary people since they are just as biologically valid as binary people are.
@@baked7327 here take da mushroom. 🍄(EDIT) the take da mushroom is a reference to an achievement in dungeon defenders on the ps3. Just incase anyone was curious.lol
As a science student, you denying biological sex is actually going to kill people. But hey, doctors have high malpractice rates, so you'll just be another statistic for killing people under your case.
@@blacktigerpaw1 as a science STUDENT, perhaps you could watch the video from the graduated biologist? and how is learning more about gene expression, and its role in sex characteristics, denying biological sex? at the very beginning of the video, he stated its not an opinion piece, he is simply explaining how and why certain aspects of sex and gender are how they are, in the biological sphere. getting mad at this, is like getting mad at someone for explaining how solar fusion operates, citing the lecturer is going to give people skin cancer.
It's so hard to explain to people that think in a very binary way how biology actually works. Even tho this video is amazing, it actually misses my favorite part, which is just too far removed from the everyday to matter to anyone but a closet physicist like myself. At the atomic scale, everything is completely random, brownian motion. Each of the biological differences that are discussed in this video that do or don't happen are due to molecules randomly hitting or not hitting specific locations or triggers, sometimes, as he points out, multiple levels deep. Seeing biology as molecules bouncing around in a way that makes their continued existence stoichiometrically (aka probabilistically in a quantum sense) sustainable is really a completely different leveling of understanding of the universe we reside in.
@@kindlin yea, i get that. i have less an interest in physics (sorry, just not my thing most of the time, fun to hear about, less fun to look into) and look at it more though a biological and chemists lens, which isn't how i see most people look at it. most people are tought to think about DNA as computer code, but it isn't. it's a chemical catalyst, improving the odds of a reaction happening and with that the frequency of it happening, often from not to sometimes with DNA/RNA. many people seem to think "well computer code if very precise, and DNA is like computer code, so DNA is very precise" which is just bloody inaccurate.
@@vinx.9099 The inaccuracy is what I'm trying to get across with my thinking on an atomic scale. Going even one step further, everything down there is quantum and _entirely_ by _definition_ is random. To really imagine this would be almost impossible, we can't even really model it on a computer yet.
Too bad that he confuses trans gender and trans sexual. All his explaination does is confirm that biological diversity can result in medical conditions that most likely require treatment (i.e. male with female brain chem).
@@KangMinseok "male with female brain chem" pretty sure you mean female with nonstandard genitalia. you are your brain, if you have a female brain you are female. if i lose my dick i'll still be the same person, if i lose even a part of my brain i'm not. and yes, corrective surgery exists so that a persons body reflect the body they feel like they should have and feel at home in, though to assume it's required for every trans person is incorrect.
I grew up in the southern part of the US. I took one high school level biology class in 8th grade. That’s the only biology class I’ve ever taken. I’ve never understood how so many people came to such a disconnect around this topic. I learned about evolution and how “messy” genetic information can be in a population. So naturally this diversity would apply to humans and manifest in many ways. That’s all it took. A basic understanding of biology that (at the very least) a middle schooler is capable of.
This is old but I’ll say I never took anatomy in middle/HS and my biology teacher loudly proclaimed she was skipping the chapter on humans. I grew up Christian and had a Catholic bio teacher, so I have no idea if that had any part of it. I learned nothing about human biology until college. Not really saying to make any point, just telling my sad experience. I’m American.
Remember, We all came from Adam and Eve, so that makes incest legal! Incest in the Bible refers to sexual relations between certain close kinship relationships, which are prohibited by the Hebrew Bible. So doesn't that make Adam and Eve wrong?
@@katielove1276 He'd make a fantastic teacher in class, everyone will pay attention and be enjoying it all, if only they would even teach this at schools.
@@peacefulleo9477 Arguing DSDs are a third sex and tapping the table to prove a point isn't as epic as you think it is. Humans are a binary sex and males aren't born with female brains.
I needed this. After leaving my Christian faith and becoming an atheist, I had accepted homosexuality and was quite disgusted by my family who were all raging homophobes. But I didn’t quite understand transgender people, and the Christian conservatives seemed to actually be reasonable. But this blew my understanding out of the water. Thank you so much. I love this new world I find myself in after rejecting my childish beliefs and I am so excited that the world is becoming more accepting of the lgbtq community
Congratulations for living true to yourself, opening your eyes. Most religious organizations mischaracterize trans people. There is a lot of distortions and lies out there.
If you believe the TRA agenda, you've come full circle and became a raging homophobe again, because homosexuality is based on sex as a binary. If there are more than two genders, and they are separate from biological sex, then homosexuality does not exist. And that is EXACTLY what TRAs say: that lesbians have a "genital preference" which they "need to unlearn" so that "trans women" with male genitalia can have sex with them. And don't get me started on transing GNC children: that is gay conversion therapy 2.0
@costlymussel3914 What do you know about it fool? If only it were a religion, there might be some respect and protections from the mean and the arrogant. You know nothing of the terrible reality of gender dysphoria. You only know the freedom of not having it. Instead of offering kindness to someone who struggles with something beyond your comprehension, you offer condescension and smugness. You are nothing but a prig! A sad way to live and not a decent person in truth.
@costlymussel3914 dammit the jig is up. How did you know that it takes faith to believe in a group of people that exist? That's supposed to be a secret.
When people ask me why Im gay I now tell them " because a region of my brain is more massive and masculine than the average male" 😂 And then when they say what do you mean I direct them to your video LOL
Going to show this video to my gay son, as well as, your comment. Both, a great resource for a young gay man who faces the Texas public education system.
Update under the original comment I am gonna admit something that is hard for me to admit. I was wrong. I will also admit that at the beginning of this video, I was getting irritated, and I began shutting down because I expected this to be a far left liberal argument. I literally had to pause the video and remind my self that your videos are rarely if ever politically motivated and that they are always about per reviewed data, tested and proven theory, and your own understanding based on your extensive education and experience in your chosen career path. I have made a lot of the false arguments you pointed out in this video. And here is the thing even with those arguments I still supported trans rights but did not give the scientific weight to my support because I was under the impression that science defined gender and sexuality by a binary system. So here I am, I admit that I was wrong, I made false arguments, and I made mistakes that I now know better than to make. Moreover, this video helped sort out some VERY confusing feelings I've been having about my own identity. I realize now that my gender and even my sexuality are more fluid and less concrete than I previously thought, and I have been extremely unfair to myself and, more importantly, the people around me. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I understood everything in this video or even absorbed all the information that I at my current level of education am able to absorb. In fact, I'm willing to bet I have some points in this video twisted in the wrong way. However, given what I think I know and understand now, I am glad to have a more accurate and better understanding of who I am now and how the world around me works. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, I genuinely mean that Edit: After over a year of self exploration, I have discovered that I am MtF trans! This video launched the self-discovery. Thank you, forest ❤️
Even bigger than admitting you were wrong is your willingness to explore your own identity. Some of my most rewarding self awareness moments are recognizing where I am outside the binary labels. It has made me so much more fascinated with my own identity concepts and appreciative of others'.
@@lev3432 I don't know about Wade, but my most recent hobby was trying to understand you in this comment section So far I can only access that you need to spend more time outside
26:31 "pervert" exactly what my mom called me when she forced me to come out at 13. I'm a trans kid in a hugely non accepting fundamental Christian household. My parents thought I was disgusting because I came out as trans to them. I do feel like that sometimes. But this video really helps, I never knew it wasn't just black and white, thank you ❤
Forrest Valkai is the atheist equivalent of the Christian pseudo-scientist Kent Hovind. Forrest is not a bonafide biologist, rather he is a trans activist and therefore his science has been whitewashed to prop-up LGBTQIA2S claims on sex, gender and gender identity! .
@@NicholasOlinsky All around us. They brought us here, to exactly this moment;) What I actually mean is that just the information you can send and receive, you can filter and find is way better than 20 years ago. Yeah, that is also a two-sided sword, because now you have to actually learn, HOW to search for that information and evaluate the validity of that. A small cost, in my opinion (and sadly, something many people, including youngsters, do not learn by default).
@@bimbom3745 yeah, Spartans used to get so used to sleeping with guys that when they got married their wives would cut their hair and wear masculine clothes because of how uncomfortable they got around women. They were so manly they lost their appetite for women
This is quite obvious if one simply counts the number of men in a given relationship: 2 men > 1 man As such, gay men are more masculine. Because more men. Just simple maths, really.
As a bi cis male I really appreciate Forrests inclusivity and that we are all just humans and shit like gender really doesnt matter in the larger scale.
"trans men are men" Lol such nonsense. Meanwhile, in reality, there are physiological differences between men and women....this is the whole point of having seperate restrooms and sports. Like duh. You all drift further and further from reality every day lol.
I appreciate it too, but at the same time time, women who care about the genitalia of the people in their vicinity are not "bigotted." We need to find a balance where we both give trans people respect and dignity while not minimizing the rights of people with vaginas to have to access to penis-free spaces.
So I'm a trans woman and you just completely shattered my entire world view... And then built it back up... Now I feel better than ever! Like, I started crying when you debunked that we all start off as female because that one lie has given me so much comfort over the years, but by the end I was crying even harder because I felt validated and seen and cared about! I've felt the edge of a knife on my wrist and I never want anyone to have to go through that too. I didn't have the words, but you did... Thank you!! Edit: grammar & spelling. Sorry, teary-eyed typing isn't my strong suit.
@@RichConnerGMN Even worse, you scrolled through the whole comment section to see my comments. Talk about touching grass. Factual information is not "transphobic nonsense", there is no such thing as transphobic. Putting a label to something to avoid debate is a short way to prove how wrong it really is.
Who wouldn't care for people, we as a species need to care more about ourselves. the suicide rates are concerning but future generations will accept non-straight people and there will be less suicide rates.In most countries at least cuz china russia and north corea don't have bright future
I have been trying to overcome the religious bias I was raised with, but have had a hard time with trans people. I think this is the most helpful video to get past that.
As a 40 year old cis white male with a poor education, I thank you for this video! I plan to share it often. These discussions with those around me here in South Georgia who wish to invalidate others can be exhausting. But this is so well put. So again, THANK YOU!!!!
thank you for helping to keep alive what very little hope in humanity i have. thank you for proving kind, accepting people still exist even in the most hateful, bigoted places
@@fredharvey2720 you didn't watch this video, did you. at all. maybe get out of your bubble one day and see how ignorant you are. i wonder if you watch jordan peterson the transphobe with that wording
@@fredharvey2720 It isn’t delusion, at all. My citations: me, a masters student in Psychology. But seriously, here’s some actual citations: Trans validity and effects of various dosages of HRT and puberty suppressants and dialogue on correct trans-care: Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents". The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. Elsevier BV. 5 (10): 816-826), (Hembree, Wylie C; Cohen-Kettenis, Peggy T; Gooren, Louis; Hannema, Sabine E; Meyer, Walter J; Murad, M Hassan; Rosenthal, Stephen M; Safer, Joshua D; Tangpricha, Vin; T'Sjoen, Guy G (November 2017). "Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: An Endocrine Society Clinical Practice Guideline". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism). To treat or not to treat: puberty suppression in childhood-onset gender dysphoria (Rosalia Costa et al. Nat Rev Urol. 2016 Aug) (not treating childhood-onset gender dysphoria is dangerous as it is a life threatening mental health diagnoses) Abstract: A Survey Study of Surgeons’ Experience with Regret and/or Reversal of Gender-Confirmation Surgeries (Schechter et al PSTM 2018 Abstract Supplement) (62 detransitioned and of those 62 the most common reasons cited were a change in gender identity (22 patients) followed by rejection or alienation from family or social support (8 patients) and difficulty in romantic relationships (7 patients). The rest of the reasons are similar to the rejection and alienation reasons.) Puberty suppression in a gender-dysphoric adolescent: a 22-year follow-up (Peggy T Cohen-Kettenis et al. Arch Sex Behav. 2011 Aug.) (puberty suppression even after 22 years has shown no negative effects and in this single individual follow up they were in what could be best described as “perfect health for their age”). Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents (Aris Siafarikas, et al.) (it was found that puberty suppression in some adolescents may be useful, more research needs to be done than just this piece but it was found useful) Medical Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Gender Dysphoria: An Empirical Ethical Study (Lieke Josephina Jeanne Johanna Vrouenraets et al. J Adolesc Health. 2015 Oct.) (same as above in findings, puberty suppression is the only ethical decision in many cases) Effect of Estrogen on Musculoskeletal Performance and Injury Risk (Nkechinyere Chidi-Ogbolu and Keith Baar), Front. Physiology, 15 January 2019 (estrogen lowers muscle mass and bone density, though this actually just means it becomes in like with cis women’s average bone density in most cases. In any case, an increase in consumption of proteins, veggies, and working out will fix this issue) Mental Health and Timing of Gender-Affirming Care Julia C. Sorbara, MD, MSc; Lyne N. Chiniara, MD; Shelby Thompson, MD; Mark R. Palmert, MD, PhD (the timing of care is very important to its success, earlier care is better than later care at saving lives of trans people and fostering better mental health outcomes) Turban J.L., King D., Kobe J., Reisner S.L., Keuroghlian A.S. (2022) Access to gender-affirming hormones during adolescence and mental health outcomes among transgender adults. PLoS ONE. Turban, J. L., King, D., Li, J. J., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2021) Timing of social transition for transgender and gender diverse youth, K-12 harassment, and adult mental health outcomes. Journal of Adolescent Health. Turban J.L., Loo, S. S., Almazan, A. N., Keuroghlian, A.S. (2021) Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods Analysis. LGBT Health. Turban, J. L., King, D., Carswell, J. M., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2020). Pubertal suppression for transgender youth and risk of suicidal ideation. Pediatrics. Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth Amy E. Green, Ph.D., Jonah P. DeChants, Ph.D., Myeshia N. Price, Ph.D., Carrie K. Davis, M.S.W. Journal of Adolescent Health Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, and Rebecca Hammond Addendum bone density improvement studies: Physical activity increases bone mineral density in children with type 1 diabetes Albane B R Maggio et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2012 Jul. (Type 1 diabetes lowers bone density, weight training and working out increases bone density and makes it average out with normalized populations) Osteogenic effects of a physical activity intervention in South African black children R M Meiring et al. J Musculoskelet Neuronal Interact. 2014 Sep. (Another study with a different group from a different location, same results. Physical activity such as working out, weight lifting, etc increases bone health and offsets any bone density loss) Increased intake of selected vegetables, herbs and fruit may reduce bone turnover in post-menopausal women Caroline Ann Gunn et al. Nutrients. 2015. (Increased intake of veggies like cabbage and broccoli increase bone density, recommended to women going through menopause) Biomarker-calibrated protein intake and bone health in the Women's Health Initiative clinical trials and observational study Jeannette M Beasley et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Apr. (Study with n=144,000 which is a massive participant count, this study looks at increasing protein as a method of boosting bone health. The study found even a minor increase in protein is very helpful to bone growth and maintaining bone health) Addendum APA citations and those related: Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Transgender and Gender Nonconforming People American Psychological Association (A 33 page document that cites hundreds of studies. It outlines the thinking of scientists and researchers on how to use many terms and outlines care practices, for example “Guideline 2. Psychologists understand that gender identity and sexual orientation are distinct but interrelated constructs.” Is followed by a large amount of studies and a rationale for as to why they as an Association believe this.) What Is Gender Dysphoria? A Critical Systematic Narrative Review Zowie Davy, PhD and Michael Toze, PhD (A critique of the APA and it’s definition and usage of gender dysphoria, this is currently used as the basis of a lot of the APA reasoning on gender dysphoria and was a very important paper for correcting some of the previous issues. It was a broad-scope systematic review of much of the available literature at the time.) FACT SHEET, gender diversity and transgender identity in adolescents Project Lead: Colt Meier, PhD Authors: Lauren Mizock, PhD; Effie Mougianis, BA; Colt Meier, PhD Acknowledgments: Ry Testa, PhD; Sean Moundas, PsyD; Deb Coolhart, PhD ( a massive collaborative effort on the topic of the prevalence of gender diversity and trans identities exhibited in adolescents, it found early treatment ad very important in preventing su*cidal ideation and improved mental health outcomesh Report of the APA Task Force on Gender Identity and Gender Variance Margaret S. Schneider, PhD, Chair University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Walter O. Bockting, PhD, University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, MN Randall D. Ehrbar, PsyD, New Leaf Services Our Community, San Francisco, CA, Anne A. Lawrence, MD, PhD Seattle, WA, Katherine Rachlin, PhD New York, NY Kenneth J. Zucker, PhD, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Toronto, Ontario, Canada APA Staff, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns Office, Clinton W. Anderson, PhD, Director Charlene DeLong, Administrative Coordinator (A 106 page report on reasoning for various decisions of the APA, 15 pages are exclusive of citations supporting the changes and the validity of trans and non-binary people) Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (5th ed.). American Psychological Association. (Discusses various things such as pronouns and their usage, related to next citation block but included here for ease of use)
@@arlaux1099 TL;DR How do you square trans apologetics with people with BIID? Do you think clinicians should likewise agree with their self hating thoughts and encourage them to hack off limbs?
I began life with an open mind. The society we live in seems to attempt to close/ narrow it. Your video has helped to blow my mind back to wide open. I have forgotten how "crazy" and truly unrestricted life is. As the great Ian Malcolm once said, "Life, uh, finds a way."...
So, you commit the fallacy of comparison and this TH-camr has. The reason why your mind, as a young person, is open, is because you're potential is greater. As an adult, you gain responsibilities. This TH-camr seems to be a nihilist, and didn't even touch the environmental part of estrogen mimicking Petro chemicals, autism mental retardation, and his own flawed arguments.
I absolutely love this. Being raised conservative, it was biology and how beautifully weird it is that helped me accept my own variations, and become and better and more understanding person. There was a lot of detail here i had never heard, and I would love to here you go into everything you didn't have time to go into for this video. Raise your hand if you want a whole series on scientist explaining sexuality, sex, gender, etc🙋♀️
no , biologists should. theyre experts at it, thats all they do. biology is incredibly complicated and sometimes just stupid. better let the specialists talk about what they study
To learn more about gender I would actually recommend listening to sociology majors. Biologists help us by disproving dumb science arguments to transphobia however gender is part of a soft science like sociology and not hard sciences like biology. Really interesting to listen to sociologists explain the phenomenon of gender and gender roles.
How are the ideas that human sexuality and self-identity are on a spectrum, such a hard thing to accept? Icky, says one group, and the liberal yet ignorant (group I was a part of before this excellent explanation) say, but isn’t it obvious. No. Turns out not so much. Turns out, mathematically, not even close to a this or that situation. EVERYTHING in the universe is on a spectrum. Complexity couldn’t arrive out of exact copies. Why wouldn’t something as clearly complicated as sexuality and self-identity be any different, I say to my derpy fence-sitting lazy ill-formed opinion having self. I truly appreciate being educated and humbled by my own ignorance and lack of curiosity.
Hi. I'm an applied biologist (amongst other things) and I find sharing this video is easier than trying to explain these concepts to people who are arguing about "real females" 🙄 You are a great science communicator.
Lmao this guy admitted in the first couple minutes that everyone gets one set of chromosomes from mom and one from dad. He does know what male and female are.
@@Cowboyfan6496 HELP THAT DUDE LITERALLY MUSTVE GOTTEN SO CAUGHT UP ON THAT PART, when they saw them say that they must have been like "AHA, IVE GOT THEM NOW!!!!"
I cannot thank you enough for making a video like this and citing 233 sources!! You make the world a better place and help so many of us feel confident standing up to homophobic family members.
Trans phobic family wants an autistic person to reproduce successfully and they won't because of autism. I'm all for trans rights if it makes autistic people sterile.
I've shared this with a bunch of Christian people in arguments about trans people and biology. It usually results in no response, or being told “science is a lie, and you're going to hell!”. Great video, easy to understand and fun to completely frustrate the person who tells you “it’s simple biology, your ether a boy or a girl!”. Keep up the great work Forest!
@Red Blue no no no you got it all wrong that's not science that is a gift from god. If believing in a particular science comports with the god belief they already have it's gods will, if it doesn't comport it's a lie or the work of the devil. Lol
I'm not Christian and I don't support this trans movement either. To give an example, if a girl is anorexic, she feels like she's overweight. The feeling may be described as biological in the sense that it's a feeling and can be linked back to brain activity in the same way that a man feels like a woman. But in the case of the anorexic girl, we understand that these feelings do not properly convey reality and we work to correct those feelings. So why is this any different? There is reality and there are feelings and sometimes the feelings are out of step with reality, which is called a mental disorder. We don't just call the anorexic "trans obese" and leave her be.
@@reubenmanzo2054 try watching it again, because this has nothing to do with feelings. If you are having a hard time understanding the video that's ok. Just try to break it down and watch it in small parts. Take notes if that helps and look up words you don't understand. If you have any questions I can try and help. I do fear if you think sex and gender identity is just “peoples feelings” after watching Forest’s video you have already made up your mind and just aren't interested in what the science says. I hope I am wrong
@@strikingsarcophagus bro you're free to ignore science all you want, I don't think asking for some basic respect is forceful in any way. For example. I don't believe in god, but I don't walk up to every Christian I see and mock them for believing in a space wizard who let his own son die for reasons. It would make me look like a douche.
This is not the first time I've watched this. But, I just registered a great line... "...all of this pretty much categorically rules out that somebody can be (finger quotes) turned gay, or worse, straightened out..." makes my heart warm. I love how understanding you are about people. You're more than accepting of the LGBTQ Community. You actually educate others of the science behind who we are. I love your videos.
@@rojavidaI think the point is that one of those scenarios has been, and continues to be way more prevalent than the other, not that one is categorically worse than the other
@@rojavida I think the reason he emphasised 'straightened out' as bad is that this idea lead to things like conversion therapy. Which people describe as basically torture.
Please consider the difference it makes to trans people and anyone in the LBGT community to be treated like human beings with respect and dignity, and bring that with you to your relationships you may have with people that still think the way you used to. Trans rights are human rights.
@@sandsmarc Like Meri said, did you even watch this video? lol You can ignore science all you want but that doesn't make you right. It just leaves you ignorant to the facts you chose not to learn from. In the end you do have a right to not learn but don't be surprised when others call you an ass for choosing to be a bigot based on outdated information you seem to hold so dear. It's time to update your knowledge and advance yourself but you know, you can continue to be uneducated if you wish. This video is a good start though as it sounds like you just came to the comments section to be that ass I mentioned above, or are dealing with an internal battle of self hatred that you could greatly benefit from this video to work through. But for the record, you are wrong. Please refer to the video above for information as to why, before you start sharing your own "silly talk" again. (Which btw is just your opinion, not scientific fact)
@@sandsmarc okay but how stupid does it sound to call a trans woman who's completely transitioned, a male. Everything about them appears female, and you wouldn't be able to tell unless they told you. Yet you think it makes logical sense to insist on calling them a male?
Just so you know, the video and author is wrong in many ways, and uses his own political views to explain things that could be explained in a scientific matter if he choose to do so.
@@jorisbongartz what are you even talking about dude, he posted over 200 sources of scientific discussions. Not to mention discussion on things like gender is not a discussion of science but a social one. Parts of this video are litterally impossible to break down on a biological standpoint. and in terms of scientific facts especially with things like animal reproduction, he nailed on the head.
@@jorisbongartz on one side, we have a video from a biologist who gave lots of explanations and lots of scientific sources. On the other hand, we have a random person commenting on internet saying he's wrong, without sources to back it up, without explanations and without even saying what parts are wrong. For now, one of the 2 is more convincing than the other.
@@jorisbongartz LMFAO, get out of your conservative echo chamber. This guy has hundreds of sources. You have fascism and Trumpism, and people confirming your beliefs by telling you everything you already believe is true, and that you don't need to go looking for the truth. You've already won, right? Every single reputable scientist is wrong, and fucking Crowder is the one with the real truth! ...right? Hate to break it to you... But they are wrong, and so are you.
@@Tcrror practically every single reputable scientist/biologist uses a binary sex model. Only fringe ideologues don't support it because of political reasons, mot scientific ones. Also his 100's of sources are about all kinds of things, the vast majority i agree with. His sources about sex not being binary a flimsy at best, which is understandable because virtually nobody in the scientific community has any problem with the binary sex model. You have to be on the level of a flat earther to question it. Also, i am a lefty liberal. Thankfully not an American one.
Thank you so much for this, all of this, but especially just that tiny bit where you included asexuals. I’m asexual and my entire life I’ve been treated like I’m broken or somehow deficient. To hear someone who actually knows their science, who is informed and passionate about helping to normalize LGBT+ experiences as being just one of the many marvels of biology doing it’s own thing, it feels so nice to just… feel like I’m normal too. Thank you.
Nobody chooses who they fall in love with or not. It took me a long time to figure out my own bisexuality, due to the lack of information available. All that variety needs to be included in students' curriculum at as early a grade as possible, along with informative sex ed (instead of "don't").
Can I ask you how it feels to be asexual? Do you still crave a relationship, love and commitment? Do you still masturbate? I know these are very intimate questions... but we're all anonymous here, aren't we? This isn't random curiosity, I swear. I'm just trying to figure out if I fit the slot too, my brain confuses me...
@@weareallbornmad410 Okay, lol, yes those are some intimate questions, but yeah, it’s pretty anon here so I don’t mind. Keep in mind though, I’m just one tiny lil asexual, and so I’m not indicative of the entire experience. For instance, plenty of asexuals do masturbate, though I personally don’t. I’ve never felt the need to, but for some it’s a nice physical release, and it feels good, even if it’s not something you wanna do with other people. I still like the idea of having a partner, of love and commitment, but it looks different from the typical thing most expect. I don’t like being touched much and I don’t like kissing. I would love to have a person who is ‘mine’, but with my comfort levels I know it’s hard to find someone who can be happy with those limits. Some asexuals are also aromantic, and they aren’t interested in having a relationship at all, they don’t have romantic interest as well as sexual interest. It’s a huge spectrum. There are also aro/aces that do have sex to make a partner happy, if it’s something they’re comfortable with, even if they don’t feel a sexual urge themselves. I compare it to eating a food that you’re okay with, but that you’d never order on your own. You don’t dislike it, and you’re not being forced to eat it, but you’re just kinda ‘meh’ about it. It’s important to keep that in mind, and never let yourself be pushed into an encounter involving stuff you aren’t comfortable with. You need to be able to say no and stop if you reach a boundary. Otherwise, being asexual is just… there? Bad explanation, I know! I just know that my whole life I watched other people fall in love and want sex and do all that kissing stuff and I was like “why would you want to do that? I can’t see the appeal!”, and after I did try kissing I was like “yeah, this is… boring. I would rather be playing a video game or something!” I hope that helps a bit?? Feel free to ask anything else lol
@@Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami being neurodivergent ADHD/ASD, my high school peers speculated that I was ace - between masking, conditioning and plain lack of experience, I still don't have a conclusive answer to that. If you don't mind my asking, was there ever a defining moment or characteristic that cemented your certainty?
This vidoe means the world to me, thank you! the section on brains, gave me so much comfort, that I would have to cry through a sentence explaining how much it meant to me.
"Imagine you are trying to win a debate, and instead of presenting your argument with relevant evidence, you gather an incredible amount of irrelevant data against your opponent’s position. This is common with young earth creationists, who believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. To try and validate their beliefs, young earth creationists dump an incredible number of arguments one after the other onto the opponent, from the idea that the light coming from other stars was created in transit to make the appearance of age to the idea that radiometric dating and other objective methods of dating rocks and fossils are based on a host of incorrect assumptions (Peppe & Deino 2013). Some of these arguments seem complex (and they might be), yet they are all irrelevant, misinterpretations of the evidence, or just complete fabrications. The key is that they all take advantage of people’s ignorance. This is known as the Gish gallop. It is a fallacy often found in pseudoscience, where you attempt to drown your opponent in a “flood of individually weak arguments” which take much energy to refute (Elsher). While it was and still is common with young earth creationists, the strategy is now being used by sex spectrum pseudoscientists. The best example of this Gish gallop technique is “Sex and Sensibility,” a 30 minute video that argues male and female are unreliable categories. It is written and presented by evolutionary anthropology student Forrest Valkai. Practically every sentence is riddled with information about the biology of sex, from the simple to the complex. Some points are true, and others are complete misrepresentations. There are so many points of information that it would take hours to carefully respond to each one, something we painstakingly did, which you can find here. Forrest’s argument strategy is not much different from that of young earth creationists. Ironic, considering he is best known for debunking none other than young earth creationists." Paradox Institute Want to read more? Click on the link and see why Forrest has distorted science to prop-up pseudo-science... www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-biology-and-the-gish-gallop Or stay and learn false science.
I’ve always been pretty liberal about this stuff, but I have to be honest, I never knew any of the biology. This video makes it all so clear and obvious. Thank you!
Same with me. I go with "Live and let live," and "what consenting adults do in private is not my business." And this topic is like any other, things are far more complicated than you can imagine. People who think they have the simple answer are just simply wrong. I hate to bring up Dunning-Kruger, but it fits in so many places that it's universal. I have a deep expertise in a certain field, based on education, experience, and just hard work, but so many people think my field is so much more simple than it is, that they consider themselves experts, when they demonstrate to me fundamental misunderstandings so egregious, that it amazes me they can function in it at all.
@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 Scientific knowledge doesn‘t become an „opinion“ just because it doesn’t resonate with your gut feeling. That’s just not how it works. But go ahead, feel free to demonstrate which of his 233 scientific sources he misrepresented, or how those are flawed themselves (and somehow passed peer review nevertheless).
I can’t even begin to explain how INCREDIBLY AMAZING this video is. Even though I struggled a bit with the english terminology the explaining is absolutely incredible. Bottom line: be yourself cause everyone is unique and beautiful in their own way. Very well done!!
@@blacktigerpaw1 yes and people put on breathing tubes are normal, people put on experimental drug treatments for disease are normal, people who get plastic surgery are normal, people who have prosthetics are normal if you wanna be all natural go live in the forest and live on what you can scavenge thats as "normal" as your gonna get by your logic
@@blacktigerpaw1 - I pop hormones cause I got old and my body stopped being nice to me. Out 1/3 of all women over 50 take these hormones. Other people take Hormones to prevent the from getting pregnant. Still others take hormones to keep their skin from attacking itself (steroids are hormones), take fake hormones because my thyroid was removed. What was our point again? Oh, right that people who have medical conditions often take hormones to help their bodies function normally! Right.great point! Glad people an take m es to be normal!!?
This video here references so many things, i dont reven know to recommend a specific video so i just gesture in the direction of Some More News and Popculture Detective
Sorry, nothing, @Jarden. Note that right at the beginning of this video, Forrest, the biologist, points out that we are animals and follow the same laws of nature as every other animal. Try starting again from the beginning.
The biology of a fruitfly is irrelevant to human biology. All those fun facts about random species and he didn't include a single Mammalian species. Someone with a slight understanding of reality can easily guess why that is.
I'm gonna send this to my dad if he tries to say basic biology when I come out as trans, thank you. He'll probably get mad about this, but he won't see me as his daughter if it's that bad anyways, I don't care if he doesn't even think I'm a good son.
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 Godspeed my friend o7 I'm only out to my friends and teachers, my mom is a huge ally but my dad... Well let's say my dad is as far right on the political spectrum as infowars... So i'm waiting to come out to my parents till i have a guaranteed place to stay a while after it blows over and we can discuss. My friends are supportive tho so i'm good on that front
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 You will never be his daughter as you went down a MALE developmental pathway. You will never be a woman. I'm sure he'll be proud seeing you inject estrogen and get breast implants and prance around as if you're one of us. I think he's looking at the end of his genetic line through you.
I hope I'm not the only one who laughed his ass off when you cited like 200+ papers that backed your claims. Lol as a starting scientist, this made my day
I mean, when you already wrote papers in uni and continue to write them in your profession, it probably was just like any other day to make something like this with so many sources.
This is probably the best video I’ve ever seen explaining this topic. I’m currently expecting my first child and as a cis gendered person have lived a sheltered life as far as my gender identity is concerned. But I am amazed and frankly appalled by how hung up the people around me are on whether my baby will be a boy or girl. I’m sharing this with everyone I know in hopes of spreading this valuable knowledge. Thank you for making this video!
@@EmmaJohnsonShenanigans Science-Channel and Atheist-TH-camr are Siblings, but many dont realize it, which is the one-and-only Reason to keep the Overlap low. Ya'all, please be more involved... A-Channel literally fight against LGBT-Hate and Science-Denial and yet thats just 2/100 Things they do.
You have no idea how much it hurt to change my opinion on this... I did, but damn, dude. The cognitive dissonance was no joke. I really fought hard against this, but now I have a different understanding and compassion for trans people.
You're being duped. All these fun facts about non mammals is irrelevant to mammals and the biology of humans. Sex is binary in all mammals, including humans. DSDs are not a 3rd sex. Forrest is nothing more than an activist.
I did too. I was pretty anti LGBT in general, until I was honest with my own bisexuality. And I was against trans people until I started to realize that trans people are real and no amount of rhetoric will change. Trans people are real.
Character development! A person spends their whole life learning. It’s okay to have been wrong, being wrong isn’t the end it simply gives you the chance to develop further. Thanks for your compassion and understanding, people like me constantly live with the threat that our rights are going to be taken away. I live in Texas, the government has said they’re looking into ways to ban transition amongst children AND adults and that they do not support any confirmation whatsoever.
as someone who is intersex and had forced sex assignment as a child, I thank you so much for this video. I have a case of mosaism that has caused SRY to be inserted on an x chromosome.
@@tone618 not as rare as you think. people who are born intersex sometimes never know. in fact most of the time never know. it often takes someone who was there at their birth to tell them or a doctor later in life brining it up. cause often it goes off record so NOBODY knows it was ever a thing. and this is what pisses me off more than anything else. phobes SUPPORT this ideal genuinely doing forced sex reassignment surgery on an infant. who can't even SPEAK let alone give consent. but someone wants to do that later in life NOOOOOOOO we can't have that happening it is immoral.
@@drrenard1277 Forrest, a Teacher famous for being Compassonate, has never watched, let alone endorsed, the VIdeo listing School-Issues and Child-Endangerment that is the 3. GOP-Video of "Some More News".
Correct. So that we can see exactly what crap people can come up with, to show exactly how qualifications often mean nothing. This is especially true if it comes from a trans activist with nothing to say but pure crap.
@@natepoodle9132can you actually be specific with the claims your trying to make? It’s easy to just call something “crap” without stating why you think that’s the case. Tell me why you think it’s crap and support your claim with sufficient evidence. Doubt you even watched the first 10 minutes of the video
@@arkparkp4185 I endured all of it, thanks to 2x speed. He implied sex is not binary in humans. If you need help with/ evidence for that, then cease the conversation right now. The vast majority of what he says is irrelevant waffle. I could have finished this video in less than a minute. Possibly around the same amount of time it takes to read this comment.
@@arkparkp4185 It’s crap because he’s right human biology is complicated but where it’s wrong is when it’s used to justify saying there’s more than 2 genders. Sure we can mess with genetic code in a lab to create some intersex genders and what not but that isn’t a 3rd gender. If there’s truly a 3rd gender what is its unique characteristics and what is its reproductive purpose?
I’m building a list of videos to show my parents when they eventually find out I’m trans. This is such an excellently thorough and deep exploration of the topic that I can help but put it at the top of that list. Thanks for the hard work you clearly put into this video 💛
Yo Mitchell, good luck when coming out(or when your parents find out). Just keep in mind that u are valid and loved, if not by your parents, then by your friends and the community. Much love
@@mgpalpha as a homosexual i think i can give an advice on this- wait till u are ready and don’t force it; bad side of it is that sexuality and gender have different ways of expressions and its quite difficult to hide you are trans while smb can hide their homosexuality for all of their life; but what im saying is, dont force yourself and dont wake up with the “i have to come out so others know and yada yada yada” mindset; if you are coming out, do it for yourself. Good luck and much love
The neuroscience bit really helped me understand, especially using the example of a man literally being trapped in a woman’s body. Incredible video with great insight that I’ll be using for the rest of my life.
Great video, but wrong at 1:22. Humans are not just Animals. Humans have become something-else. Thats fact. Great Video though; i emailed it to my Family instantly.
@@slevinchannel7589 you are both right and wrong, yes we have developed true language which is one of few things that separate us from animals, but strictly biologically we are animals and almost every part of our biology can be related to almost any other animal
@@therealme1362 eh idk If we can say that as what is a true language? One that’s only spoken by humans? Cuz that’s just hypocritical as we can understand human languages but not other animal’s languages. We know species like orca have languages and cultures that change from region to region and pod to pod yet we don’t actually understand what they’re saying. We’re like dogs, can recognise sounds & actions that follow them but we don’t actually understand the language being spoken so I don’t think it’s fair to say that their languages aren’t true languages just because us humans can’t understand them & translate them yet, we may be able to in the future but who knows!
@@therealme1362 to me the only thing that separates our languages to other very complex animal languages is that we can write & read our spoken languages when other animals can’t.
@@kateemily I think that's what they meant. I suppose they could've said true communication instead but we are the only species to effectively use all forms of communication.
This just made me tear up. You legit just said you want to focus on listening to people like me who are living out the science that we should be focusing on. Obviously, that's a low scale, selfish version, but either way. This made me feel so seen. How remarkable
I did an interview with an intersex person once, where we talked about her (she identifies as female) life experiences, myths about intersex people, helpful resources, etc... TH-cam banned it as "sexually explicit," for having the word "sex" in "intersex" 🙃
You got to list adult content under educational so that it doesnt get removed. You dont know how many explicit adult content is on youtube and i'm talking about alot that shows everything.
she did made some not that clever or appreciated comment. point is I only remember there was a comment, but not the contence of it anymore. The fuss was louder then the message.
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo yeah, these people don't want their minds changed. they just turn up the volume on their own shit because they think if they're louder it makes them right.
cant wait to show this to my transphobic classmates and when they complain about not understanding it i can just tell them to explain it back to me since its "basic biology"
That is A LOT to take in, as someone who stopped studying biology in highschool. And it has definitely opened my eyes regarding sexuality and gender identity. Also props to the fact that the video is super entertaining and not just informative. That said, I think I'm going to watch it again, there is so much info that one watch is definitively not enough!
I feel like you just singlehandedly made a whole lot of people revert from saying "it's just science, man" back to saying stuff like "god doesn't make mistakes".
Well, at least their finally being honest about the origin of their opinions being rooted in historical religious interpretations instead of modern science.
As a straight male with few lgbt friends, this is definitely an eye opener. I knew about lgbt in other animals but wasn't too sure on gender identity and "feeling like the opposite sex". This video taught me a lot on this topic and has been the clearest in making me understand the whole concept so much better. Also, the whole list of citations made me very excited for some reason 😂
there are no transgender animals. and in some groups of animals, same sex behavior is not the same as being gay in a human. in insects it could be accidental, or a mating strategy where one male just uses another to carry is sperm to a female
@@leahjames6870 Why not? You obviously *FEEL* the presence of some divine being in your life and yet you yourself are not one. Just say that you don't understand trans folks or that they make you uncomfortable. Those are easily relatable things and no one would judge you to much for it, but when you invoke some higher power condemning others is when people get mad. It's ok not to understand, it's ok to be squicked out, but it's not ok to be a bigot! Edit: for anyone else, this person did infact invoke "gOd" under one of my comments and now im hunting around for other comments of theirs. Sorry for the confusion and happy scrolling! 😘
The LGB is based on sexuality and biological truth. The "T" is based on "genderism". Not based in biological reality. It's opposite to biological reality.
@@kathyb1011 for starters, your comment is being hidden. I can only see it because I previously commented on this thread. Secondly: how can you accept that being gay is a biological imperative while being trans is not?? You're almost there my guy! Almost...
A literal biologist: cites well over 200 verified, scientific sources of information Bigots: cites one, non-verified source that doesn't even touch on the topic of gender identity Wonder whose words hold more weight
these are just people who don't want to accept how complicated the world is because that would mean making efforts to educate themselves which doesn't sit well with their narcissistic ignorant personalities. So they just choose to live in their overly simplified ridiculous version of the world. basically too dumb for science
Just because there are some people hard to classify as male or female (0.02% births), how is this relevent to the trans debate with most people on Earth, including most transsexuals, being easily classifiable? How is the existence of, let's say, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome relevent to whether or not a man without any intersex condition can be a woman, provided that he is part of the 99.98% of the population that is undoubtedly either male or female with no ambuigity surrounding the subject?
@@volvandthepocketkaiju Usually when people bring up the intersex gambit and keep insisting on 'sex not being so simple and easy to tell' they do it to prove that everyone's sex depends on identity because 'you cannot objectively tell in many cases in anyway', even if most people calling themselves the other sex are not intersex.
This man commits the fallacy of comparison several times, because he can't make good arguments and just spouted big words for dumb people. Smarter people saw through his little word salad games, and he didn't make a decent argument that can stand to peer reviews.
I'm so happy you are open minded enough to understand these concepts. I makes me hopeful for humanity to see people like you change their perspective when you are finally given a chance to understand. Thank you so so much for having an interest in making the world a better place for me and all my other trans friends. It truly means the world to me
@@magma7155 Hi and thanks for commenting, really kind of you :) I think all matters would be a lot easier to deal with if we just collectively agreed that: 1) The Dunning Krueger effect is very much real and maybe some topics require more nuance than just two or three talking points and 2) The human body is just… really weird. Although we’re making advancements we still don’t understand everything about it and that’s okay. I think this video does a great job persuading people toward empathy, it manges to be informative without being either daunting or dumbing things down and that’s quite a feat!
Thank you so much! I have Turner Syndrome and am a cis woman. I'm also a butch lesbian who is also on the ace spectrum. This is the first video that makes sense of all this. Biology has always fascinated me because of all the complicated interactions of different systems. This should be required viewing in any middle school.
As a biologist myself, I can say: HS Biology: “This is species and sex works between males and females” Biology Research: “Species and gender don’t exist” lol
I have found the same thing in studying Mathematics. HS: "Here are some formulas, and this is how numbers work" Higher mathematics: "All of your previous assumptions are wrong"
@@vivianzadnik6779 same goes with physics, Physics in school: "Here's Newton's 3 Laws, use the formula, apply and solve :)" Physics in Higher studies: "Uses partial differential equations and gets stuck in a loop whilst giving you a brain aneurysm"
Oh my god I'm already in love with this. Love how you define the terms you will be using. I'm a philosopher, and I have been taught that this is very important in order to convey the message properly. Language is a form of communication. There are no "right" or "wrong" words as long as the meaning is passed through from the speaker to the listener.
That's what's rediculous about the folks who deride folks who say "there are more than two sexes and gender is a construct", because they don't get that that came from biologists, they they decry Bill Nye as "falling to the woke mob" 😂 these bigot cats are literally ignorant
@@blacktigerpaw1 I'm not going to contest that I have my sex assigned at birth as M and I do have a penis, but I guess you missed the rest of this video? I don't think your post is as strong of an argument as you think it is.
I learned more from this video that simply, "scratches the surface" about sex and gender, than I learned in my AP Biology class... Thank you so much. All the love for people like you who make this content❤
In 2015 I had pain just below my belly button. It started in the morning and got worse throughout the day. I went to the emergency room with a low grade fever. The doctors were hesitant to give me a CT at first due to my symptoms, and since I had recently had another X-ray. Luckily they did run the scan. Turns out my appendix was infected and by the time of my surgery my surgeon was surprised that it had not ruptured. The moral, point, and reason for my story, “normally” the appendix is on the right side of the body but in my case it was in a different spot. This almost caused me to go home with a potentially deadly condition.
my dad had a similar story- at 11 nearly died because the surgeons couldn't find his appendix and it burst during surgery, it was just in another spot. wildly that's not the closest he's come to death on an operating table, at 15 he was riding his bike and got turned into hamburger by a semi truck. he's fine now!
thanks for telling. Shows that broad generalizations are always a medical danger. Now imagine all the assumptions that are made when trans or intersex people have to tick a male/female box on an evaluation form instead of being asked the things that are actually relevant for the medical issue in question - like: "do you have ovaries? do you have higher testosterone than estrogen? ..." I mean sometimes it leads to quite funny answers to questions when it is just assumed that you are either male or female in all aspects - but that's not funny in medical emergencies or medication that could lead to problems short or long-term when given in the wrong dose, missing preventive care, etc.
Forrest Valkai, you're amazing! As a cis white male, I'm so glad that you broke down this topic this way. I wish there were more people like you, that broke down science, and took a rational approach to life. We should be friends.
Nah, just human extinction. What he calls natural variability is fine but if it's disabling our ability to successfully reproduce, he will lie and say it isn't a congenital birth defect that is a harmful mutation. So it's autism, fashion trends, the evil force of marketing, and Petro chemicals confusing gene expression in human bodies, and his bad arguments commiting logical fallacies.
@@kennyadedayo8550 It's more social influence, among the kids anyway. Highly doubt all the kids who claim to be trans actually suffer from gender dysphoria.
@@kennyadedayo8550 I see Disinterest. Im sorry to see many not much interest in being Updated, let alone fighting-back against Extremism. I fear not many people even watched the video 'Marjorie Taylor Greene Has DEEPLY Disturbing Views'.
Loved this. I am almost 60 and I am demi-sexual (which is a form of asexuality). Some of the most frustrating conversations I have had with male friends over beers is when they see an attractive women and they would ask me 'Would you do her?' My honest answer is 'I don't know.' They can't understand, she is attractive, she is female, how could I not know? Once again my honest answer is 'I don't know her.' They can't compute this. Why would I have to know her to find her attractive. Truth is that I don't, I understand that she is attractive. Truth is, I have to know her and have positive interactions with her in order to feel the urge to act on that attraction. But try explaining that to someone who gets a hard-on every time a young woman walks past him. Queue George Thorogood I Drink Alone...its better company.
Ayyy another aspec person! I'm asexual and have identified as such since high school. Totally get what you went through, I've tried to explain to straight friends how I just don't get sexually attracted to Anyone Ever (I don't think I'm demi, very just ace) they do not understand it. And they get confused cause I can tell when someone is like, conventionally attractive but I still don't get the f e e l i n g s. Confusing straight people is a fun thing for me sometimes :)
Wait people arnt like this!!?? I thought they forced themselves to think they wanted to have sex with them because they thought it was funny or something?? People actually get hard for that?? What!?? How you think is normal? Isn't that normal?? I feel conflicted...am I not normal then? 😥😨😫
@@amepetrie.7436 Hi there Val G, I hope we didn't stress you out with this. Yeah, finding out that most people experience genuine sexual attraction to others can be weird when you yourself are somewhere on the aromantic and/or asexual spectrum. Don't worry about 'being normal' cause what's even normal, ya know? Everyone is different and I don't think there's even such a thing as "normal." If you are unfamiliar with asexuallity and wanna learn more about it, I encourage you to check out other people's stories and do some research. There's quite a few channels on TH-cam that have incredible hosts who identify somewhere on the asexual spectrum and have a great community of followers. I personally gained a lot of self confidence when I figured I was asexual, so I really hope you don't feel alienated or anything like that. I hope you can take confidence in your identity, whatever you find that might be, and I wish you the best of luck if you choose to question your sexuality more closely
@@Creature_of_Knight ahh I already suffer from anxiety how do I live my life knowing people get TURNED ON by LOOKING AT People?? Wtheck. Do you know if it happens everyday? Do you know how it works by any chance? I've searched quite a lot on Google and TH-cam and people arnt really going into detail (probably why I never knew why it ExiSted) but you don't have to answer I know it's a lot, just trying to wrap my head around it. 😵💫😖😅
I am actually intersex and ended up with some interesting developments as a result. Biology is weird and fun, I wish transphobes would understand that and stop being horrible people.
@@f.e.groenwold2073 I don’t disagree but modern Conservatism doesn’t really have any middle ground. It seems like many Conservatives these days just make their entire political position as “Fuck the libs.” There’s far more of opposing things based purely on being an opposition than an actual political position. This isn’t to say all of them are like this but far too many are and are extremely loud
@@marshallleevalentine By conservative I mean outdated, just like the segregation in two "sexes".This is weird: I click on the little bell to see new messages, I can see the beginning of your reply, but when I click on “view 3 messages” your reply is no longer there and I can only see 2 other replies.
Hoooollyyyy crap! You mean to tell me I’ve been wrong the whole time?!😳 I grew up hating on the LGBTQ PEOPLE all because I was told it’s a sin and that God don’t like them. I feel so stupid now hearing this. How little I know I feel so bad now. Thank you so much for this video and for opening my eyes about this topic and thanks to you, i now have to look at things different than what I was taught. Wow I never bother looking into science as well because I was told they don’t make any sense and they always change. After watching this video I’m gon look into science more. There’s so much I don’t know apparently and here I thought I did. gosh I’m an idiot.🤦🏾
It's alright. You are not alone, I've been that way, too. Thankfully, we can grow out of our bad ideas and beliefs. Congrats to you 👍 it takes strength and effort to change your mind and admit you were wrong. Let's just keep learning to eradicate bad ideas.
@@Matt_the_pirate according to some of my friends and family it’s a curse and weakness, but thank you for your thoughts, I feel like a little kid again relearning everything on this new journey I’m on.😅
"This isn't my lane, but..." *provides long list of proof* "So go ahead and read those and get back to me about why I'm wrong." The confidence is amazing. XD Love it.
you can explain this over and over again to anyone, and they’ll drag you down with a silly misunderstanding or some fallacy. it’s exhausting- but regardless the only way forward is moving on. My days of arguing with bigotry are coming to an end. my new goal, and the goal of all others who find themselves knowing my existence is valid must move on to help others validate their own.
as a teen who cannot pass biology, this video gave me so much insight and validation (as i’m currently questioning my identity as a whole) thank you so much❤️❤️
If you need a good strategy to understand a topic for research you can do a study strategy i call the pipeline or the moth meathod, you open a paper/ or you can go to a page for learning a topic (like khan academy) and then when you start reading, the first term you are not sure of then you now to to a page explaining that, if you see another unknown term in the explaination then look into that as well. Rinse and repeat until understood the topic, the pipeline name is obvious but the moth name is because you immediately fly into the first large unknown light/topic
as a nonbinary person: thank you so much for this. i have never felt more validated about my gender. time to send this video to every member of my extended family who ever said it was all in my head! :)
As a queer person, this video brought such a feeling of joy and peace to my heart. It's definitely going down in one of the best videos I've ever seen... You see, I always wanted to know about the technical science behind the way I am ... And it was always an ambiguous thing all over the internet. But atleast it makes more sense than it ever did.
This video is a great watch. I’ve heard many different explanations about why people are trans and queer but this covers such a wide range of things quickly that it makes me glad to be human and to have a rough idea of where I sit on the gender and sexuality spectrums.
Conservatives: "facts don't care about your feelings!" Science: "trans are ok" Conservatives: "Imma pretend I didn't hear that, and keep going with my hatred towards 'em anyway..."
I would just say respect trans peoples pronouns, and don't take rights away. treat everyone as equal that means no one gets sepeshal treatment basised on identy or sexual orionation.
@@Ajas0810 *_If somebody can be trans gender can somebody become transracial?_* Sweetie I realise transphobic bigots are dumber than a brick, but you take the cake. Race is a social construct, not a biological category. I'm a biologist, I know there's only one human race. If a black man and a white woman have a baby, what "race" is it? Can't answer that, you doofus. Sexual identity is set not just between the legs, but between the ears. Your mileage obviously varies, but I think what's between the ears is more important.
I stopped being transphobic, but it took several years of effort. First I had to overcome a literal fear response to seeing anyone who was very androgynous. so I watched contrapoints(Natalie Wynn) and she helped me get over that. So I flip-flopped about acceptance for a while, until I deconstructed my religious dogmas. Then I listened to Abby Thorne's coming out story, and accepted her with some real joy and gratitude. But I hadn't ever heard anyone discuss the neurochemistry of gender until now. Thank you!
@@legrandliseurtri7495 We don't go along with a schizophrenics delusions though. Let me get this clear, that I am fine with someone transitioning if they are an adult and that is what they choose to do, free country. What I have a problem with is that apart of the solution now is to make sure that everyone else conforms to their delusion by having to alter their own reality and acknowledge them as the opposite gender. Gender is a social construct, which means not everyone defines gender how you want it defined. If my social definition of gender is a parallel to sex, then no matter how many surgeries you get, a trans-man is still a woman and a trans-woman is still a man. People need to respect that view, and get over their selfish desire to get justification from others. A person can delude themselves into thinking they are tall, thin, and handsome all they want, but if in reality, they are fat, short, and ugly, then it is ridiculous to expect other's to acknowledge their fantasy. But for some reason, gender dysphoria gets a pass and you are bigoted for not acknowledging someone else's deluded reality.
@@PantheraCat A very small percentage of trans women bother with this considering how expensive it is. It's a safe surgery if it can be afforded, however, or as safe as surgery can be anyway.
I know it's been half a year, but as someone who wants to understand people to the greatest extent I can, I'm too curious not to ask: Jordan, you said you had a genuine fear response to seeing people who appeared androgynous, which you imply was religiously motivated. Can you explain/do you know what that fear was based in? Were you afraid of what a person like that might do to you or others, or was it something else? Did you feel like you were in danger when you noticed one was nearby? I'm familiar with the idea that a lot of transphobia and homophobia come from fear (I mean it's right there in the name, for starters, but it's almost always associated with anger and hate, not fear), but I've never understood what it was people were actually afraid OF. And I'd very much like to understand, if you're willing to help me do so.
@leemoore5212 it did provide an answer. A woman cannot be defined, because there will always be an exception. Watch the video we're commenting on if you'd like to learn more
@@Banana_Quarrel Identify the time in the video in which Forrest explains this to your satisfaction. And save time by yourself specifying a exception to "woman = adult human female" , outside the realm of metaphor.
Fun fact originally when baby colours where first being assigned in England pink was going to be for boys because it is a light red and the English army wore red coats. So the idea was that boys would wear pink to show that they where young men and once they where olo enough to join the army they would get there classic red coats showing they where now men. Thanks for the great video keep it up.
Proof that pink is the manliest color. Also, the red coats were used to cover bloodstains on their jackets, that way their enemies don't know if they're bleeding or not
There is also De La Chappelle syndrome where the SRY gene translocates to an X and makes XX male phenotype. Sadly I know other medical students that don't understand any of this. Were getting much better, but it would still be beneficial for medical doctors to understand these things.
ME TOO!!! Another trans woman here, and one with a special interest in biology. It makes me so happy to see our lives validated by science and facts, the ones bigots keep trying to use against us. Biology proving people like us exist instead of trying to label us as outliers just, is one of the many things I love about the subject.
It seems crazy to me that people are so invested in denying something that does not touch them. I am a gay man so I understand how I am different from what people expect. I do not experience transsexualism… Transsexuality?… So I don’t feel I can comment on it. I do what Forrest said, listen to the people who are living the experience. There is simply too much variation for anyone to insist that everyone lock themselves into little boxes. :) Like you I am pleased to find out the things that were said in this video. I’m very pleased someone like young Forrest is putting himself out there.
@@bksrmt just so you know, the term “transsexual” is quite outdated as gender has nothing to do with sexuality, you can use “transgender” instead. Also the term “transgenderism” (or its variation “transsexualism”) doesn’t really have a nice ring to it (as if it’s some kind of affliction), so I would steer clear from using those words.The symptom that most trans people experience is gender dysphoria, which is a feeling of unease or repulsion at their AGAB (assigned gender at birth), so with that in mind you could’ve instead said that you do not experience gender dysphoria I know you meant no harm, though! With the way you used the word “transsexual”, I’m guessing you must be somewhat older, so I hope I helped you understand what kind of language we use nowadays
As a biologist and member of the LGBT community myself, thank you so much for talking about this topic. You really have great talent for education and I hope your career goes well.
As a biologist, realize sex is binary in humans as it is with all mammals, DSDs aren't separate sexes, and yes we can tell apart the sexes without a gene test.
@@blacktigerpaw1 I really don’t want to get into an argument with someone who is obviously so angry at what other people do with their lives and how they choose to identify. Please find a hobby or something different to do with your time that isn’t trying to force people to fit the small minded boxes of human behavior and expression you’ve created. But, to entertain you: Sex is MOSTLY binary across mammals depending on the definition of sex you use (as clearly explained in the video). Also, sex is not the same as the social concept of gender. While you cannot truly change your sex genetically, you can change your gender as gender expression and identity are fluid and not rigid. Also, neither he nor I ever say that you can’t genetically screen for sex so... I guess we agree despite the fact that you seem to think you are saying something revolutionary. Thank you and have a blessed day
@@ParanormalEncyclopedia I watched the whole thing. We do not need a genetics test to tell the difference between the sexes, because sexual dimorphism is a thing. DSDs are also not separate sexes, and transwomen don't have ladybrains.
@@edselsantoni6138 Yes he did. Forest said gametes were gendered when they're sex. You keep saying sex and gender aren't the same and how it doesn't affect our lives, yet prioritize gender over sex. It's this attitude that has led to males like Lia Thomas destroying women's records in sports. Sex is binary. DSDS ARE NOT SEPARATE SEXES. They are variations within sex. Forrest said there is no way to tell who is male or female without a DNA test, despite telling us that transwomen have female brains and how they're women because of gender. I've watched the video.
in my PHIL 150 class, we’re talking about why trans people are valid human beings and aren’t mentally ill (my town is pretty regressive). so this video is super important and people are already freaking out in the group chats, love the video and i love how you’ve used to many examples of biology being super weird and interesting. amazing video.
@@NightTimeDay philosophy is supposed to be concerned with thought and its relationship to truth. how is that not going to enter into the realm of politics, when the whole name of the political game is arguing that your opponent is lying and you're telling the truth?
@@basil3663 you misunderstood my comment. I'm agreeing, I'm saying that philosophy is about exploring all possibilities to get at truth, even in political or moral issues. It is not about agruing one side of an issue, as the original comment phrased it. It should also take science into account, but we are unable to as activists have a strangle hold over psychological literature on trans issues. Thus philosophy is not doing its job and has been corrupted. Thus it is useless--as OP describes it--for anything other than propaganda.
@@NightTimeDay So, in this instance, your opinion is that the two equally valid "sides" in this Philosophy class were, #1-Trans people are valid human beings and #2-Trans people are mentally ill? And it's "propaganda" for people in a philosophy class to judge the most coherent and correct philosophical position? Here's the rub: The fields of science and philosophy are not apolitical. A very cursory and basic understanding of biological reality disproves "side" #2 without question. It's entirely appropriate and ADVISABLE for some philosophical and political "sides" to be unequivocally identified and accurately labeled as WRONG and then subsequently worked OUT of society. That's not mean or unfair or unequal. That's a good judgment that should be judged by an educated society when they have a firm grasp on reality thanks to the scientific process. The fact that a specific political "side" or philosophical framework may be offended, disappointed, saddened, or disenfranchised, is...frankly...irrelevant. If this were not so, we would still have thousands and thousands of extremely harmful philosophical claims guiding our society just because we were afraid to judge a "side" as factually wrong and adjust our culture accordingly.
Context: a week ago I was binge watching an atheist comedian, that brought the atheist experience into my suggested videos, so I started watching a you over there, then I found out you had your own channel, now I'm here. And now I'm finding out that I've been completely ignorant to the facts of sex and gender. I knew I didn't know alot about it, but I had no idea that I didn't know that much about it. All that to say, thanks you for making this video 2 years ago so I could stumble upon it today. Im a straight white guy, I think so anyway lol, but you've really opened my eyes to what other people are really going through
0:00 : *INTRODUCTION*
0:53 : We are not special
1:41 : Basic biological terminology
3:08 : *SEX*
3:12 : What is sex?
3:21 : *GAMETES*
3:21 : How we generally define sex in terms of gametes
3:45 : Why boxes won't fit everyone
4:28 : Problems with the definition
- There are several species with males and females but their gametes are all the same size
- We could try defining sex by mating types (who's giving/who's receiving gametes) but then some species have females implant their eggs into males who then give birth (seahorses for examples)
- Fruit fly males have 3 different sizes of gametes, so by that there could be 4 sexes or at least 2 sexes but with 3 subspecies of males, and even then one of the sizes of the male gametes are larger than female gametes which violates rule we've made up about gamete sizes
- Many species don't only produce one type of gamete for their entire lives
- Some humans/animals can have ovotestes (testicular tissue on one side, ovarian tissues on the other. 6:21)
6:43 : *CHROMOSOMES*
6:55 : How we generally define sex in terms of chromosomes
7:14 : Problems with the definition
- We are not all females by default then turn into males because of the Y chromosome, that is a myth.
7:55 : SRY
- Splicing SRY (a gene found in Y chromosomes) into XX female mice gave them the ability to develop male genitalia, testes, and behaviors
- Cutting out SRY from XY male mice gave them the ability to develop ovaries, feminine behaviors and even getting pregnant and having litters
- However, SRY is not just a magical on and off switch for sex.
- EG: female wallabies with XX chromosomes that don't have any egg cells at birth developed testes
- EVERYONE HAS THE GENES FOR BOTH TESTES AND OVARIES
9:07 : SOX9
- SOX9 (on everyone's X chromosome) gives you testes, NR0B1 (on everyone's X chromosome) stops SOX9, SRY (on XY people's chromosomes) stops NR0B1 from stopping SOX 9 from making testes therefore allowing testes to be developed
- SO you can have a perfectly functional Y chromosome and have a problem with your SOX 9 gene and end up with ovaries
- OR you could have no Y chromosome at all but have a faulty NR0B1 gene and develop testicles
10:38 : *HORMONES*
10:46 : What basically is HRT in mice
11:02 : We ALL have ALL sex hormones + What they do
12:01 : Hormones don't really do much anyways
12:40 : Practically useless second X for people with XX chromosomes
13:00 : Useless Y chromosome for certain people with XY chromosomes
14:29 : *We are all VARIATIONS, not anomalies, not deformities, not defects.*
16:55 : *GENDER*
16:59 : What is gender?
18:02 : Differences in sexes with different species
18:50 : HUMAN MALES CAN LACTATE TOO
19:33 : We are not special, only difference is that we can communicate how our identity feels
20:11: *BRAINS*
20:22 : There are structural differences in females and males
21:00 : Trans people's brains match their identity and NOT their genitalia
21:41 : Cis homosexuals' brains match their sex so *trans men are not lesbians, trans women are not gay men* , there is a difference in sexuality and gender
22:03 : Homosexuality genes, WE CANNOT CHANGE OUR SEXUALITY
23:20 : What we've talked about so far
24:25 : Again, boxes are stupid
25:29 : *Why should we care? (trigger warning for suic*de)* , see the trevor project if you want to learn more
26:52 : His qualifications
27:17 : ✨s o u r c e s ✨, all 233 of them
This is such a great video!!! I've been looking everywhere for a good list of facts that I can refer to when debating others, thank you so much! Only thing I would suggest is including non binary people since they are just as biologically valid as binary people are.
Thanks for this! Will definitely be helpful for me as well
hey forrest, can you pin this?
Definitely pin this!
Thanks, Bonsai Plant :)
You're a real one bro
Ily thank you 🌟
"We're not fungi"
Speak for yourself, I happen to be a really fun guy.
i was gonna make that same joke
@@baked7327 here take da mushroom. 🍄(EDIT) the take da mushroom is a reference to an achievement in dungeon defenders on the ps3. Just incase anyone was curious.lol
I wanted to upvote your comment, but I thought that the "69" current ups suited it better ;)
@@TheNitrop Sadly, 3 people won’t let us have nice things.
🤣
My favourite quotes are:
1) "Life makes all the rules and breaks all the rules, all the time"
2) "Life is weird as shit"
so those ads saying there are hot females in your area were talking about lizards.
Warning you. Hot females are very aggressive.
Just came across this video and this comment, and I nearly died from laughing. Thank you.
Amphibian...
That’s a lot funnier
Lmaoo
"Unless you have had your brain scanned and your genome sequenced..."
Sounds like a fun weekend activity to do with the squad
getting your genome sequenced with the homies
Ngl I'd pay to see this man go into depth on every topic he said he didn't have time to go into
He has a Patreon :)
@@FahadAyaz Does he cover those topics over there?
At this point go straight and study to become a biologist. :v
@@Diego-lz8fn Probably not, but patreons could talk him into doing just that, if you feel up to the task of riling them up :)
@@Azarilh well, maybe not straight ;)
As a science student who's going to write my big (and very important to my grade) assignment on this, the source list is very sexy
Good luck!! :>
As a science student, you denying biological sex is actually going to kill people. But hey, doctors have high malpractice rates, so you'll just be another statistic for killing people under your case.
@@blacktigerpaw1 wait...what?
@@blacktigerpaw1 did you watch the video lol?
@@blacktigerpaw1 as a science STUDENT, perhaps you could watch the video from the graduated biologist? and how is learning more about gene expression, and its role in sex characteristics, denying biological sex? at the very beginning of the video, he stated its not an opinion piece, he is simply explaining how and why certain aspects of sex and gender are how they are, in the biological sphere. getting mad at this, is like getting mad at someone for explaining how solar fusion operates, citing the lecturer is going to give people skin cancer.
nothing as beautiful as a biologist explaining how weird biology is.
It's so hard to explain to people that think in a very binary way how biology actually works. Even tho this video is amazing, it actually misses my favorite part, which is just too far removed from the everyday to matter to anyone but a closet physicist like myself. At the atomic scale, everything is completely random, brownian motion. Each of the biological differences that are discussed in this video that do or don't happen are due to molecules randomly hitting or not hitting specific locations or triggers, sometimes, as he points out, multiple levels deep. Seeing biology as molecules bouncing around in a way that makes their continued existence stoichiometrically (aka probabilistically in a quantum sense) sustainable is really a completely different leveling of understanding of the universe we reside in.
@@kindlin
yea, i get that. i have less an interest in physics (sorry, just not my thing most of the time, fun to hear about, less fun to look into) and look at it more though a biological and chemists lens, which isn't how i see most people look at it. most people are tought to think about DNA as computer code, but it isn't. it's a chemical catalyst, improving the odds of a reaction happening and with that the frequency of it happening, often from not to sometimes with DNA/RNA. many people seem to think "well computer code if very precise, and DNA is like computer code, so DNA is very precise" which is just bloody inaccurate.
@@vinx.9099
The inaccuracy is what I'm trying to get across with my thinking on an atomic scale. Going even one step further, everything down there is quantum and _entirely_ by _definition_ is random. To really imagine this would be almost impossible, we can't even really model it on a computer yet.
Too bad that he confuses trans gender and trans sexual. All his explaination does is confirm that biological diversity can result in medical conditions that most likely require treatment (i.e. male with female brain chem).
@@KangMinseok "male with female brain chem" pretty sure you mean female with nonstandard genitalia. you are your brain, if you have a female brain you are female. if i lose my dick i'll still be the same person, if i lose even a part of my brain i'm not. and yes, corrective surgery exists so that a persons body reflect the body they feel like they should have and feel at home in, though to assume it's required for every trans person is incorrect.
I grew up in the southern part of the US. I took one high school level biology class in 8th grade. That’s the only biology class I’ve ever taken. I’ve never understood how so many people came to such a disconnect around this topic. I learned about evolution and how “messy” genetic information can be in a population. So naturally this diversity would apply to humans and manifest in many ways. That’s all it took. A basic understanding of biology that (at the very least) a middle schooler is capable of.
Because it doesn't match their beliefs. Simple as that.
This is old but I’ll say I never took anatomy in middle/HS and my biology teacher loudly proclaimed she was skipping the chapter on humans. I grew up Christian and had a Catholic bio teacher, so I have no idea if that had any part of it.
I learned nothing about human biology until college. Not really saying to make any point, just telling my sad experience. I’m American.
It’s because the people advocating for this stuff are wanting to butcher children
Remember, We all came from Adam and Eve, so that makes incest legal! Incest in the Bible refers to sexual relations between certain close kinship relationships, which are prohibited by the Hebrew Bible. So doesn't that make Adam and Eve wrong?
The table pounding really added to the video.
right? and the urgency in his voice. like, listen god damn it! this is really important!
@@katielove1276 He'd make a fantastic teacher in class, everyone will pay attention and be enjoying it all, if only they would even teach this at schools.
@@peacefulleo9477,
Not here in SE Georgia. 🤔😶😔
I really didn't like it, it was distracting to me. It would be fine if the microphone wasn't on the table.
@@peacefulleo9477 Arguing DSDs are a third sex and tapping the table to prove a point isn't as epic as you think it is.
Humans are a binary sex and males aren't born with female brains.
Tldr: sex is complicated, stop arguing about it and do whatever feels right
That pretty much sums it up.
Yeah the do it if it feels good mentality. Absolutely destroying the society
Immunology: "We are the quantum physics of biology"
Sex and Gender Biology: "Hold my gonads!"
@@charliem6467 if society is wrong, then their opinion aught to be destroyed
@@andrewenderfrost8161 society isn’t wrong the left is wrong
That absurdly long citation list was a great backhanded flex.
I needed this. After leaving my Christian faith and becoming an atheist, I had accepted homosexuality and was quite disgusted by my family who were all raging homophobes. But I didn’t quite understand transgender people, and the Christian conservatives seemed to actually be reasonable. But this blew my understanding out of the water. Thank you so much. I love this new world I find myself in after rejecting my childish beliefs and I am so excited that the world is becoming more accepting of the lgbtq community
Congratulations for living true to yourself, opening your eyes. Most religious organizations mischaracterize trans people. There is a lot of distortions and lies out there.
Keep up the good work my man. I hope youre proud. Being open to changing your mind like this isn't an effortless thing.
If you believe the TRA agenda, you've come full circle and became a raging homophobe again, because homosexuality is based on sex as a binary. If there are more than two genders, and they are separate from biological sex, then homosexuality does not exist. And that is EXACTLY what TRAs say: that lesbians have a "genital preference" which they "need to unlearn" so that "trans women" with male genitalia can have sex with them. And don't get me started on transing GNC children: that is gay conversion therapy 2.0
@costlymussel3914 What do you know about it fool? If only it were a religion, there might be some respect and protections from the mean and the arrogant. You know nothing of the terrible reality of gender dysphoria. You only know the freedom of not having it. Instead of offering kindness to someone who struggles with something beyond your comprehension, you offer condescension and smugness. You are nothing but a prig! A sad way to live and not a decent person in truth.
@costlymussel3914 dammit the jig is up. How did you know that it takes faith to believe in a group of people that exist? That's supposed to be a secret.
When people ask me why Im gay I now tell them
" because a region of my brain is more massive and masculine than the average male" 😂
And then when they say what do you mean I direct them to your video LOL
CAUSE MY VEINS ARE COURSING WITH TESTOSTERONE!!!!
*_flex_*
Love it!!!!! 😂🤣😃🤣😂
this is brilliant
Going to show this video to my gay son, as well as, your comment. Both, a great resource for a young gay man who faces the Texas public education system.
That’s a power move 😂
“ At least mostly straight “ highlight of the video
I perked up, too!
I loved that part! xD
I hope he is attracted to Men as well .. Am i the only one ?
@@rebeccaanderson5626 not if these comments are any indication. I’m with you!
@@bksrmt Thanks bro/ by the way i am a cismale . name is for cat-fishing
Update under the original comment
I am gonna admit something that is hard for me to admit. I was wrong. I will also admit that at the beginning of this video, I was getting irritated, and I began shutting down because I expected this to be a far left liberal argument. I literally had to pause the video and remind my self that your videos are rarely if ever politically motivated and that they are always about per reviewed data, tested and proven theory, and your own understanding based on your extensive education and experience in your chosen career path.
I have made a lot of the false arguments you pointed out in this video. And here is the thing even with those arguments I still supported trans rights but did not give the scientific weight to my support because I was under the impression that science defined gender and sexuality by a binary system. So here I am, I admit that I was wrong, I made false arguments, and I made mistakes that I now know better than to make. Moreover, this video helped sort out some VERY confusing feelings I've been having about my own identity. I realize now that my gender and even my sexuality are more fluid and less concrete than I previously thought, and I have been extremely unfair to myself and, more importantly, the people around me. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend that I understood everything in this video or even absorbed all the information that I at my current level of education am able to absorb. In fact, I'm willing to bet I have some points in this video twisted in the wrong way. However, given what I think I know and understand now, I am glad to have a more accurate and better understanding of who I am now and how the world around me works. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, I genuinely mean that
Edit: After over a year of self exploration, I have discovered that I am MtF trans! This video launched the self-discovery. Thank you, forest ❤️
Always remember: there is no shame in admitting you were wrong. The only shame is holding onto a wrong belief past the point of reason.
Even bigger than admitting you were wrong is your willingness to explore your own identity. Some of my most rewarding self awareness moments are recognizing where I am outside the binary labels. It has made me so much more fascinated with my own identity concepts and appreciative of others'.
@@wadehathawaymusic
Whatever that means 🤨 I think you just need a hobby
@@lev3432 I don't know about Wade, but my most recent hobby was trying to understand you in this comment section
So far I can only access that you need to spend more time outside
@@ZelphTheWebmancer You're literally a furry... LOL
26:31 "pervert" exactly what my mom called me when she forced me to come out at 13.
I'm a trans kid in a hugely non accepting fundamental Christian household. My parents thought I was disgusting because I came out as trans to them. I do feel like that sometimes. But this video really helps, I never knew it wasn't just black and white, thank you ❤
I'm 62 and your enthusiasm for science is fucking fabulous, thank you.
His enthusiasm for trying to prove a man can be a woman you mean. There is no science in what he says. It's all fabrication.
same here. where were these guys when we were kids?
Forrest Valkai is the atheist equivalent of the Christian pseudo-scientist Kent Hovind. Forrest is not a bonafide biologist, rather he is a trans activist and therefore his science has been whitewashed to prop-up LGBTQIA2S claims on sex, gender and gender identity! .
@@NicholasOlinsky All around us. They brought us here, to exactly this moment;)
What I actually mean is that just the information you can send and receive, you can filter and find is way better than 20 years ago.
Yeah, that is also a two-sided sword, because now you have to actually learn, HOW to search for that information and evaluate the validity of that. A small cost, in my opinion (and sadly, something many people, including youngsters, do not learn by default).
You mean $cience?
Take-aways: gay men are more masculine and DO get you started on plant biology
Nothing more masculine than liking men i guess
I used to know some very butch hairy fairies
@@bimbom3745 yeah, Spartans used to get so used to sleeping with guys that when they got married their wives would cut their hair and wear masculine clothes because of how uncomfortable they got around women. They were so manly they lost their appetite for women
I really wanted to like this comment but like... I feel like I'd be breaking internet law by turning a 69 into a 70
This is quite obvious if one simply counts the number of men in a given relationship:
2 men > 1 man
As such, gay men are more masculine. Because more men. Just simple maths, really.
As a bi cis male I really appreciate Forrests inclusivity and that we are all just humans and shit like gender really doesnt matter in the larger scale.
@costlymussel3914I agree, trans men shouldn't be in the woman's room
@costlymussel3914 I agree, but they are men
"trans men are men"
Lol such nonsense. Meanwhile, in reality, there are physiological differences between men and women....this is the whole point of having seperate restrooms and sports. Like duh. You all drift further and further from reality every day lol.
I appreciate it too, but at the same time time, women who care about the genitalia of the people in their vicinity are not "bigotted." We need to find a balance where we both give trans people respect and dignity while not minimizing the rights of people with vaginas to have to access to penis-free spaces.
@costlymussel3914 I agree with you but think your phrasing is pointlessly mean and disrespectful to trans people.
So I'm a trans woman and you just completely shattered my entire world view...
And then built it back up...
Now I feel better than ever! Like, I started crying when you debunked that we all start off as female because that one lie has given me so much comfort over the years, but by the end I was crying even harder because I felt validated and seen and cared about! I've felt the edge of a knife on my wrist and I never want anyone to have to go through that too. I didn't have the words, but you did...
Thank you!!
Edit: grammar & spelling. Sorry, teary-eyed typing isn't my strong suit.
LOL!
@@lev3432 you've been trolling and spouting transphobic nonsense in this comment section for weeks. find a hobby. touch some grass.
@@RichConnerGMN Even worse, you scrolled through the whole comment section to see my comments. Talk about touching grass. Factual information is not "transphobic nonsense", there is no such thing as transphobic. Putting a label to something to avoid debate is a short way to prove how wrong it really is.
@@lev3432 now you two can go touch grass together
Who wouldn't care for people, we as a species need to care more about ourselves. the suicide rates are concerning but future generations will accept non-straight people and there will be less suicide rates.In most countries at least cuz china russia and north corea don't have bright future
I have been trying to overcome the religious bias I was raised with, but have had a hard time with trans people. I think this is the most helpful video to get past that.
This particular one thanks for your time, and your curiosity
@@rainjaydd8213 this one does as well. We're just people like you
good for you my friend, overcoming what you were raised with is a really hard thing to do
@@rainjaydd8213 certainly.
@@imagomonkei by acknowledging your own biases and having intent to change, you’re already miles and miles ahead of most everybody else!
As a 40 year old cis white male with a poor education, I thank you for this video! I plan to share it often. These discussions with those around me here in South Georgia who wish to invalidate others can be exhausting. But this is so well put. So again, THANK YOU!!!!
thank you for helping to keep alive what very little hope in humanity i have. thank you for proving kind, accepting people still exist even in the most hateful, bigoted places
@@avokado1386 Going along with self loathing delusion isn't kind. At all.
@@fredharvey2720 you didn't watch this video, did you. at all. maybe get out of your bubble one day and see how ignorant you are. i wonder if you watch jordan peterson the transphobe with that wording
@@fredharvey2720 It isn’t delusion, at all.
My citations: me, a masters student in Psychology.
But seriously, here’s some actual citations:
Trans validity and effects of various dosages of HRT and puberty suppressants and dialogue on correct trans-care:
Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents". The Lancet Diabetes & Endocrinology. Elsevier BV. 5 (10): 816-826), (Hembree, Wylie C; Cohen-Kettenis, Peggy T; Gooren, Louis; Hannema, Sabine E; Meyer, Walter J; Murad, M Hassan; Rosenthal, Stephen M; Safer, Joshua D; Tangpricha, Vin; T'Sjoen, Guy G (November 2017). "Endocrine Treatment of Gender-Dysphoric/Gender-Incongruent Persons: An Endocrine Society Clinical Practice Guideline". The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism).
To treat or not to treat: puberty suppression in childhood-onset gender dysphoria (Rosalia Costa et al. Nat Rev Urol. 2016 Aug) (not treating childhood-onset gender dysphoria is dangerous as it is a life threatening mental health diagnoses)
Abstract: A Survey Study of Surgeons’ Experience with Regret and/or Reversal of Gender-Confirmation Surgeries (Schechter et al PSTM 2018 Abstract Supplement) (62 detransitioned and of those 62 the most common reasons cited were a change in gender identity (22 patients) followed by rejection or alienation from family or social support (8 patients) and difficulty in romantic relationships (7 patients). The rest of the reasons are similar to the rejection and alienation reasons.)
Puberty suppression in a gender-dysphoric adolescent: a 22-year follow-up (Peggy T Cohen-Kettenis et al. Arch Sex Behav. 2011 Aug.) (puberty suppression even after 22 years has shown no negative effects and in this single individual follow up they were in what could be best described as “perfect health for their age”).
Puberty suppression in transgender children and adolescents (Aris Siafarikas, et al.) (it was found that puberty suppression in some adolescents may be useful, more research needs to be done than just this piece but it was found useful)
Medical Treatment of Children and Adolescents With Gender Dysphoria: An Empirical Ethical Study (Lieke Josephina Jeanne Johanna Vrouenraets et al. J Adolesc Health. 2015 Oct.) (same as above in findings, puberty suppression is the only ethical decision in many cases)
Effect of Estrogen on Musculoskeletal Performance and Injury Risk (Nkechinyere Chidi-Ogbolu and Keith Baar), Front. Physiology, 15 January 2019 (estrogen lowers muscle mass and bone density, though this actually just means it becomes in like with cis women’s average bone density in most cases. In any case, an increase in consumption of proteins, veggies, and working out will fix this issue)
Mental Health and Timing of Gender-Affirming Care Julia C. Sorbara, MD, MSc; Lyne N. Chiniara, MD; Shelby Thompson, MD; Mark R. Palmert, MD, PhD (the timing of care is very important to its success, earlier care is better than later care at saving lives of trans people and fostering better mental health outcomes)
Turban J.L., King D., Kobe J., Reisner S.L., Keuroghlian A.S. (2022) Access to gender-affirming hormones during adolescence and mental health outcomes among transgender adults. PLoS ONE.
Turban, J. L., King, D., Li, J. J., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2021) Timing of social transition for transgender and gender diverse youth, K-12 harassment, and adult mental health outcomes. Journal of Adolescent Health.
Turban J.L., Loo, S. S., Almazan, A. N., Keuroghlian, A.S. (2021) Factors Leading to “Detransition” Among Transgender and Gender Diverse People in the United States: A Mixed-Methods Analysis. LGBT Health.
Turban, J. L., King, D., Carswell, J. M., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2020). Pubertal suppression for transgender youth and risk of suicidal ideation. Pediatrics.
Association of Gender-Affirming Hormone Therapy With Depression, Thoughts of Suicide, and Attempted Suicide Among Transgender and Nonbinary Youth Amy E. Green, Ph.D., Jonah P. DeChants, Ph.D., Myeshia N. Price, Ph.D., Carrie K. Davis, M.S.W. Journal of Adolescent Health
Intervenable factors associated with suicide risk in transgender persons: a respondent driven sampling study in Ontario, Canada
Greta R. Bauer, Ayden I. Scheim, and Rebecca Hammond
Addendum bone density improvement studies:
Physical activity increases bone mineral density in children with type 1 diabetes
Albane B R Maggio et al. Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2012 Jul.
(Type 1 diabetes lowers bone density, weight training and working out increases bone density and makes it average out with normalized populations)
Osteogenic effects of a physical activity intervention in South African black children
R M Meiring et al. J Musculoskelet Neuronal Interact. 2014 Sep.
(Another study with a different group from a different location, same results. Physical activity such as working out, weight lifting, etc increases bone health and offsets any bone density loss)
Increased intake of selected vegetables, herbs and fruit may reduce bone turnover in post-menopausal women
Caroline Ann Gunn et al. Nutrients. 2015.
(Increased intake of veggies like cabbage and broccoli increase bone density, recommended to women going through menopause)
Biomarker-calibrated protein intake and bone health in the Women's Health Initiative clinical trials and observational study
Jeannette M Beasley et al. Am J Clin Nutr. 2014 Apr.
(Study with n=144,000 which is a massive participant count, this study looks at increasing protein as a method of boosting bone health. The study found even a minor increase in protein is very helpful to bone growth and maintaining bone health)
Addendum APA citations and those related:
Guidelines for Psychological Practice With Transgender and Gender Nonconforming People
American Psychological Association
(A 33 page document that cites hundreds of studies. It outlines the thinking of scientists and researchers on how to use many terms and outlines care practices, for example “Guideline 2. Psychologists understand that gender identity and sexual orientation are distinct but interrelated constructs.” Is followed by a large amount of studies and a rationale for as to why they as an Association believe this.)
What Is Gender Dysphoria? A Critical Systematic Narrative Review
Zowie Davy, PhD and Michael Toze, PhD
(A critique of the APA and it’s definition and usage of gender dysphoria, this is currently used as the basis of a lot of the APA reasoning on gender dysphoria and was a very important paper for correcting some of the previous issues. It was a broad-scope systematic review of much of the available literature at the time.)
FACT SHEET, gender diversity and transgender identity in adolescents
Project Lead: Colt Meier, PhD Authors: Lauren Mizock, PhD; Effie Mougianis, BA; Colt Meier, PhD Acknowledgments: Ry Testa, PhD; Sean Moundas, PsyD; Deb Coolhart, PhD
( a massive collaborative effort on the topic of the prevalence of gender diversity and trans identities exhibited in adolescents, it found early treatment ad very important in preventing su*cidal ideation and improved mental health outcomesh
Report of the APA Task Force on
Gender Identity and Gender Variance
Margaret S. Schneider, PhD, Chair
University of Toronto, Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Walter O. Bockting, PhD, University of Minnesota Medical School, Minneapolis, MN
Randall D. Ehrbar, PsyD, New Leaf Services Our Community, San Francisco, CA, Anne A. Lawrence, MD, PhD
Seattle, WA, Katherine Rachlin, PhD
New York, NY
Kenneth J. Zucker, PhD, Centre for Addiction and Mental Health, Toronto, Ontario, Canada
APA Staff, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Transgender Concerns Office, Clinton W. Anderson, PhD, Director Charlene DeLong, Administrative Coordinator
(A 106 page report on reasoning for various decisions of the APA, 15 pages are exclusive of citations supporting the changes and the validity of trans and non-binary people)
Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association (5th ed.). American Psychological Association.
(Discusses various things such as pronouns and their usage, related to next citation block but included here for ease of use)
@@arlaux1099 TL;DR
How do you square trans apologetics with people with BIID? Do you think clinicians should likewise agree with their self hating thoughts and encourage them to hack off limbs?
I began life with an open mind. The society we live in seems to attempt to close/ narrow it. Your video has helped to blow my mind back to wide open. I have forgotten how "crazy" and truly unrestricted life is. As the great Ian Malcolm once said, "Life, uh, finds a way."...
So, you commit the fallacy of comparison and this TH-camr has.
The reason why your mind, as a young person, is open, is because you're potential is greater. As an adult, you gain responsibilities. This TH-camr seems to be a nihilist, and didn't even touch the environmental part of estrogen mimicking Petro chemicals, autism mental retardation, and his own flawed arguments.
Now I want to go get my brain scanned and genome sequenced, just for funsies
Big mood
Same
You have expensive tastes 😉
According to New Choice Health, the national average cost of a brain CT scan is $3,275
Right!?
sameeeee
I absolutely love this. Being raised conservative, it was biology and how beautifully weird it is that helped me accept my own variations, and become and better and more understanding person. There was a lot of detail here i had never heard, and I would love to here you go into everything you didn't have time to go into for this video.
Raise your hand if you want a whole series on scientist explaining sexuality, sex, gender, etc🙋♀️
I would love that, both for the ability to learn more, but also the comments of people being like "but that's not as simple as I want it to be."
no , biologists should. theyre experts at it, thats all they do. biology is incredibly complicated and sometimes just stupid. better let the specialists talk about what they study
@@Lhaenen Forrest IS a biologist.
To learn more about gender I would actually recommend listening to sociology majors. Biologists help us by disproving dumb science arguments to transphobia however gender is part of a soft science like sociology and not hard sciences like biology. Really interesting to listen to sociologists explain the phenomenon of gender and gender roles.
How are the ideas that human sexuality and self-identity are on a spectrum, such a hard thing to accept? Icky, says one group, and the liberal yet ignorant (group I was a part of before this excellent explanation) say, but isn’t it obvious. No. Turns out not so much. Turns out, mathematically, not even close to a this or that situation. EVERYTHING in the universe is on a spectrum. Complexity couldn’t arrive out of exact copies. Why wouldn’t something as clearly complicated as sexuality and self-identity be any different, I say to my derpy fence-sitting lazy ill-formed opinion having self. I truly appreciate being educated and humbled by my own ignorance and lack of curiosity.
Hi. I'm an applied biologist (amongst other things) and I find sharing this video is easier than trying to explain these concepts to people who are arguing about "real females" 🙄
You are a great science communicator.
Lmao great to see its not just angry bigots and sudo scientists in the comments. Agree 100%
@@hartraiser pseudo* But I get your point.
Lmao this guy admitted in the first couple minutes that everyone gets one set of chromosomes from mom and one from dad. He does know what male and female are.
@@ems3991 did you just turn off the video at that point and ignore every thing he said after that or what
@@Cowboyfan6496 HELP THAT DUDE LITERALLY MUSTVE GOTTEN SO CAUGHT UP ON THAT PART, when they saw them say that they must have been like "AHA, IVE GOT THEM NOW!!!!"
I cannot thank you enough for making a video like this and citing 233 sources!! You make the world a better place and help so many of us feel confident standing up to homophobic family members.
233 sources all coming from the same type of pseudoscience camp as Forrest.
Trans phobic family wants an autistic person to reproduce successfully and they won't because of autism. I'm all for trans rights if it makes autistic people sterile.
I've shared this with a bunch of Christian people in arguments about trans people and biology. It usually results in no response, or being told “science is a lie, and you're going to hell!”. Great video, easy to understand and fun to completely frustrate the person who tells you “it’s simple biology, your ether a boy or a girl!”. Keep up the great work Forest!
@Red Blue no no no you got it all wrong that's not science that is a gift from god. If believing in a particular science comports with the god belief they already have it's gods will, if it doesn't comport it's a lie or the work of the devil. Lol
I'm not Christian and I don't support this trans movement either. To give an example, if a girl is anorexic, she feels like she's overweight. The feeling may be described as biological in the sense that it's a feeling and can be linked back to brain activity in the same way that a man feels like a woman. But in the case of the anorexic girl, we understand that these feelings do not properly convey reality and we work to correct those feelings. So why is this any different? There is reality and there are feelings and sometimes the feelings are out of step with reality, which is called a mental disorder. We don't just call the anorexic "trans obese" and leave her be.
@@reubenmanzo2054 so you didn't watch the video. Try watching the video and then give your opinions.
@@dlblair I did watch the video and I didn't see any actual evidence as to why someone's feelings should supersede objective and observable reality.
@@reubenmanzo2054 try watching it again, because this has nothing to do with feelings. If you are having a hard time understanding the video that's ok. Just try to break it down and watch it in small parts. Take notes if that helps and look up words you don't understand. If you have any questions I can try and help. I do fear if you think sex and gender identity is just “peoples feelings” after watching Forest’s video you have already made up your mind and just aren't interested in what the science says. I hope I am wrong
Him:(cites 233 sources) and if you disagree with me just go through those.
A powermove from my man.
People are under no obligation to make sense to you. I love that. Thank you.
If they're forcing you to partake in their delusion of their identity, yes they are lol
@@strikingsarcophagus bro you're free to ignore science all you want, I don't think asking for some basic respect is forceful in any way.
For example. I don't believe in god, but I don't walk up to every Christian I see and mock them for believing in a space wizard who let his own son die for reasons. It would make me look like a douche.
@@elisehalflight Cool, but the difference is the Christians you're talking about assumedly aren't trying to make you believe in their God.
@@strikingsarcophagus You can be an atheist and still celebrate Christmas
@@elisehalflight Nobody's saying you have to celebrate Christmas or you're anti-Christian
This is not the first time I've watched this. But, I just registered a great line... "...all of this pretty much categorically rules out that somebody can be (finger quotes) turned gay, or worse, straightened out..." makes my heart warm. I love how understanding you are about people. You're more than accepting of the LGBTQ Community. You actually educate others of the science behind who we are. I love your videos.
unrelated but awesome pfp
You know, this was the only part that I balked at. Why is one scenario worse than the other? Aren’t they both equally bad?
@@rojavidaI think the point is that one of those scenarios has been, and continues to be way more prevalent than the other, not that one is categorically worse than the other
@@mikeboyd-el1wj I have to confess that I don’t know what point you are trying to make. Is Forest attempting humour here?
@@rojavida I think the reason he emphasised 'straightened out' as bad is that this idea lead to things like conversion therapy. Which people describe as basically torture.
Wow! You have legitimately changed my mind on this topic in under 30 minutes. Thanks for the thorough research.
Please consider the difference it makes to trans people and anyone in the LBGT community to be treated like human beings with respect and dignity, and bring that with you to your relationships you may have with people that still think the way you used to. Trans rights are human rights.
Kyle Stoner There are no trans rights. You don’t have a “right” to assert you are something you are not and can never be. That’s silly talk!
@@sandsmarc Oh look who hasn't watched the video! Or failed to adjust their view points with new (and correct) information.
@@sandsmarc Like Meri said, did you even watch this video? lol
You can ignore science all you want but that doesn't make you right. It just leaves you ignorant to the facts you chose not to learn from. In the end you do have a right to not learn but don't be surprised when others call you an ass for choosing to be a bigot based on outdated information you seem to hold so dear. It's time to update your knowledge and advance yourself but you know, you can continue to be uneducated if you wish. This video is a good start though as it sounds like you just came to the comments section to be that ass I mentioned above, or are dealing with an internal battle of self hatred that you could greatly benefit from this video to work through.
But for the record, you are wrong. Please refer to the video above for information as to why, before you start sharing your own "silly talk" again. (Which btw is just your opinion, not scientific fact)
@@sandsmarc okay but how stupid does it sound to call a trans woman who's completely transitioned, a male.
Everything about them appears female, and you wouldn't be able to tell unless they told you. Yet you think it makes logical sense to insist on calling them a male?
A deconstructing ex-vangelical here. This is the video I've been looking for to explain gender, transgender biology, and sex. Thank you!!
Just so you know, the video and author is wrong in many ways, and uses his own political views to explain things that could be explained in a scientific matter if he choose to do so.
@@jorisbongartz what are you even talking about dude, he posted over 200 sources of scientific discussions. Not to mention discussion on things like gender is not a discussion of science but a social one. Parts of this video are litterally impossible to break down on a biological standpoint. and in terms of scientific facts especially with things like animal reproduction, he nailed on the head.
@@jorisbongartz on one side, we have a video from a biologist who gave lots of explanations and lots of scientific sources.
On the other hand, we have a random person commenting on internet saying he's wrong, without sources to back it up, without explanations and without even saying what parts are wrong.
For now, one of the 2 is more convincing than the other.
@@jorisbongartz LMFAO, get out of your conservative echo chamber. This guy has hundreds of sources. You have fascism and Trumpism, and people confirming your beliefs by telling you everything you already believe is true, and that you don't need to go looking for the truth. You've already won, right? Every single reputable scientist is wrong, and fucking Crowder is the one with the real truth! ...right?
Hate to break it to you... But they are wrong, and so are you.
@@Tcrror practically every single reputable scientist/biologist uses a binary sex model. Only fringe ideologues don't support it because of political reasons, mot scientific ones. Also his 100's of sources are about all kinds of things, the vast majority i agree with. His sources about sex not being binary a flimsy at best, which is understandable because virtually nobody in the scientific community has any problem with the binary sex model. You have to be on the level of a flat earther to question it.
Also, i am a lefty liberal. Thankfully not an American one.
Thank you so much for this, all of this, but especially just that tiny bit where you included asexuals. I’m asexual and my entire life I’ve been treated like I’m broken or somehow deficient. To hear someone who actually knows their science, who is informed and passionate about helping to normalize LGBT+ experiences as being just one of the many marvels of biology doing it’s own thing, it feels so nice to just… feel like I’m normal too. Thank you.
Nobody chooses who they fall in love with or not. It took me a long time to figure out my own bisexuality, due to the lack of information available. All that variety needs to be included in students' curriculum at as early a grade as possible, along with informative sex ed (instead of "don't").
Can I ask you how it feels to be asexual? Do you still crave a relationship, love and commitment? Do you still masturbate? I know these are very intimate questions... but we're all anonymous here, aren't we?
This isn't random curiosity, I swear. I'm just trying to figure out if I fit the slot too, my brain confuses me...
@@weareallbornmad410 Okay, lol, yes those are some intimate questions, but yeah, it’s pretty anon here so I don’t mind. Keep in mind though, I’m just one tiny lil asexual, and so I’m not indicative of the entire experience. For instance, plenty of asexuals do masturbate, though I personally don’t. I’ve never felt the need to, but for some it’s a nice physical release, and it feels good, even if it’s not something you wanna do with other people. I still like the idea of having a partner, of love and commitment, but it looks different from the typical thing most expect. I don’t like being touched much and I don’t like kissing. I would love to have a person who is ‘mine’, but with my comfort levels I know it’s hard to find someone who can be happy with those limits. Some asexuals are also aromantic, and they aren’t interested in having a relationship at all, they don’t have romantic interest as well as sexual interest. It’s a huge spectrum. There are also aro/aces that do have sex to make a partner happy, if it’s something they’re comfortable with, even if they don’t feel a sexual urge themselves. I compare it to eating a food that you’re okay with, but that you’d never order on your own. You don’t dislike it, and you’re not being forced to eat it, but you’re just kinda ‘meh’ about it. It’s important to keep that in mind, and never let yourself be pushed into an encounter involving stuff you aren’t comfortable with. You need to be able to say no and stop if you reach a boundary. Otherwise, being asexual is just… there? Bad explanation, I know! I just know that my whole life I watched other people fall in love and want sex and do all that kissing stuff and I was like “why would you want to do that? I can’t see the appeal!”, and after I did try kissing I was like “yeah, this is… boring. I would rather be playing a video game or something!”
I hope that helps a bit?? Feel free to ask anything else lol
@@Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami @Ryanookami being neurodivergent ADHD/ASD, my high school peers speculated that I was ace - between masking, conditioning and plain lack of experience, I still don't have a conclusive answer to that. If you don't mind my asking, was there ever a defining moment or characteristic that cemented your certainty?
I love this, also HOLY SHIT YOU JOINED TH-cam 14 YEARS AGO?? I don’t think I’ve ever seen an account dating back that far
This vidoe means the world to me, thank you! the section on brains, gave me so much comfort, that I would have to cry through a sentence explaining how much it meant to me.
Get a grip.
"Imagine you are trying to win a debate, and instead of presenting your argument with relevant evidence, you gather an incredible amount of irrelevant data against your opponent’s position.
This is common with young earth creationists, who believe that the earth was created 6,000 years ago. To try and validate their beliefs, young earth creationists dump an incredible number of arguments one after the other onto the opponent, from the idea that the light coming from other stars was created in transit to make the appearance of age to the idea that radiometric dating and other objective methods of dating rocks and fossils are based on a host of incorrect assumptions (Peppe & Deino 2013). Some of these arguments seem complex (and they might be), yet they are all irrelevant, misinterpretations of the evidence, or just complete fabrications. The key is that they all take advantage of people’s ignorance.
This is known as the Gish gallop. It is a fallacy often found in pseudoscience, where you attempt to drown your opponent in a “flood of individually weak arguments” which take much energy to refute (Elsher). While it was and still is common with young earth creationists, the strategy is now being used by sex spectrum pseudoscientists.
The best example of this Gish gallop technique is “Sex and Sensibility,” a 30 minute video that argues male and female are unreliable categories. It is written and presented by evolutionary anthropology student Forrest Valkai. Practically every sentence is riddled with information about the biology of sex, from the simple to the complex. Some points are true, and others are complete misrepresentations. There are so many points of information that it would take hours to carefully respond to each one, something we painstakingly did, which you can find here.
Forrest’s argument strategy is not much different from that of young earth creationists. Ironic, considering he is best known for debunking none other than young earth creationists." Paradox Institute
Want to read more? Click on the link and see why Forrest has distorted science to prop-up pseudo-science...
www.theparadoxinstitute.com/read/sex-biology-and-the-gish-gallop
Or stay and learn false science.
I’ve always been pretty liberal about this stuff, but I have to be honest, I never knew any of the biology. This video makes it all so clear and obvious. Thank you!
Same with me. I go with "Live and let live," and "what consenting adults do in private is not my business." And this topic is like any other, things are far more complicated than you can imagine. People who think they have the simple answer are just simply wrong. I hate to bring up Dunning-Kruger, but it fits in so many places that it's universal. I have a deep expertise in a certain field, based on education, experience, and just hard work, but so many people think my field is so much more simple than it is, that they consider themselves experts, when they demonstrate to me fundamental misunderstandings so egregious, that it amazes me they can function in it at all.
@@wirenutt57 you can't "live and let live" when It comes to sex. It's a fact, not an opinion or way of life etc
@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 Have you even watched the video, let alone understood anything that‘s being said?
@@christianosminroden7878 Of course I have. And as usual with this sort of thing, it is an opinion piece.
@@whereweregoingwedontneedey4374 Scientific knowledge doesn‘t become an „opinion“ just because it doesn’t resonate with your gut feeling. That’s just not how it works. But go ahead, feel free to demonstrate which of his 233 scientific sources he misrepresented, or how those are flawed themselves (and somehow passed peer review nevertheless).
I can’t even begin to explain how INCREDIBLY AMAZING this video is. Even though I struggled a bit with the english terminology the explaining is absolutely incredible. Bottom line: be yourself cause everyone is unique and beautiful in their own way. Very well done!!
Being yourself includes popping hormones.
@@blacktigerpaw1 yep and who the hell cares i know people who take over ten pills a day just to make their body work properly
@@thescarletbunny1305 Yes, because nothing says 'normal and proper' like you pissing out estrogen because you want to become a woman.
@@blacktigerpaw1 yes and people put on breathing tubes are normal, people put on experimental drug treatments for disease are normal, people who get plastic surgery are normal, people who have prosthetics are normal if you wanna be all natural go live in the forest and live on what you can scavenge thats as "normal" as your gonna get by your logic
@@blacktigerpaw1 - I pop hormones cause I got old and my body stopped being nice to me. Out 1/3 of all women over 50 take these hormones. Other people take Hormones to prevent the from getting pregnant. Still others take hormones to keep their skin from attacking itself (steroids are hormones), take fake hormones because my thyroid was removed.
What was our point again? Oh, right that people who have medical conditions often take hormones to help their bodies function normally! Right.great point! Glad people an take m es to be normal!!?
This is the most cogent (and, IMHO, fascinating) 30 minutes I have ever heard on this topic. Thanks, Forrest!
This video here references so many things, i dont reven know to recommend a specific video so i just gesture in the direction of Some More News and Popculture Detective
Except you’re human and none of his studies examine human biology. Sorry.
Sorry, nothing, @Jarden. Note that right at the beginning of this video, Forrest, the biologist, points out that we are animals and follow the same laws of nature as every other animal. Try starting again from the beginning.
The biology of a fruitfly is irrelevant to human biology. All those fun facts about random species and he didn't include a single Mammalian species. Someone with a slight understanding of reality can easily guess why that is.
@@kennitawatson7883 Hate to break it to you, even a biologist can be full of 💩
I'm gonna send this to my dad if he tries to say basic biology when I come out as trans, thank you. He'll probably get mad about this, but he won't see me as his daughter if it's that bad anyways, I don't care if he doesn't even think I'm a good son.
Good luck from a fellow trans person!
@@garbageinferno596 Thank you, good luck to you too if you're going to come out soon too.
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 Godspeed my friend o7
I'm only out to my friends and teachers, my mom is a huge ally but my dad... Well let's say my dad is as far right on the political spectrum as infowars... So i'm waiting to come out to my parents till i have a guaranteed place to stay a while after it blows over and we can discuss. My friends are supportive tho so i'm good on that front
@@somebodylikesbacon1960 You will never be his daughter as you went down a MALE developmental pathway. You will never be a woman.
I'm sure he'll be proud seeing you inject estrogen and get breast implants and prance around as if you're one of us. I think he's looking at the end of his genetic line through you.
@@Cieln0va Not surprised so many of you have daddy issues.
I hope I'm not the only one who laughed his ass off when you cited like 200+ papers that backed your claims. Lol as a starting scientist, this made my day
The Mario 2 music certainly helped.
You're definitely not the only one!! I started cackling so loud I scared my cat lol
That's how you do it when you're a biology God.
233. Yeah. Around 20 I was like "oh this is gonna be long" and just before it hit 200 I was "OKAY HOLD UP I GOTTA TELL A FRIEND THIS."
I mean, when you already wrote papers in uni and continue to write them in your profession, it probably was just like any other day to make something like this with so many sources.
This is probably the best video I’ve ever seen explaining this topic. I’m currently expecting my first child and as a cis gendered person have lived a sheltered life as far as my gender identity is concerned. But I am amazed and frankly appalled by how hung up the people around me are on whether my baby will be a boy or girl. I’m sharing this with everyone I know in hopes of spreading this valuable knowledge. Thank you for making this video!
and this is why i’m not gonna have a gender reveal party and stuff, it’s just so unnecessary
@@EmmaJohnsonShenanigans Science-Channel and Atheist-TH-camr are Siblings,
but many dont realize it, which is the one-and-only Reason to keep the Overlap low.
Ya'all, please be more involved... A-Channel literally fight against LGBT-Hate
and Science-Denial and yet thats just 2/100 Things they do.
The over 200 citations to the tune of Mario music had me crying. Glorious!
You have no idea how much it hurt to change my opinion on this... I did, but damn, dude. The cognitive dissonance was no joke. I really fought hard against this, but now I have a different understanding and compassion for trans people.
that really is wonderful
You're being duped. All these fun facts about non mammals is irrelevant to mammals and the biology of humans. Sex is binary in all mammals, including humans. DSDs are not a 3rd sex. Forrest is nothing more than an activist.
I did too. I was pretty anti LGBT in general, until I was honest with my own bisexuality. And I was against trans people until I started to realize that trans people are real and no amount of rhetoric will change. Trans people are real.
Character development! A person spends their whole life learning. It’s okay to have been wrong, being wrong isn’t the end it simply gives you the chance to develop further.
Thanks for your compassion and understanding, people like me constantly live with the threat that our rights are going to be taken away. I live in Texas, the government has said they’re looking into ways to ban transition amongst children AND adults and that they do not support any confirmation whatsoever.
i think i speak for all trans people when i say: thank you.
as someone who is intersex and had forced sex assignment as a child, I thank you so much for this video. I have a case of mosaism that has caused SRY to be inserted on an x chromosome.
Damn that's really rare I'm sorry
damn they didn't scan your chromosomes when you were born, what were they thinking
@@kkonti1113 that technology wasn't available when I was born. Computers were still huge machines then.
@@tone618 not as rare as you think. people who are born intersex sometimes never know. in fact most of the time never know. it often takes someone who was there at their birth to tell them or a doctor later in life brining it up. cause often it goes off record so NOBODY knows it was ever a thing. and this is what pisses me off more than anything else. phobes SUPPORT this ideal genuinely doing forced sex reassignment surgery on an infant. who can't even SPEAK let alone give consent. but someone wants to do that later in life NOOOOOOOO we can't have that happening it is immoral.
@@drrenard1277 Forrest, a Teacher famous for being Compassonate, has never watched, let alone endorsed, the VIdeo listing School-Issues and Child-Endangerment that is the 3. GOP-Video of "Some More News".
This should be watched by everyone. Period.
Correct. So that we can see exactly what crap people can come up with, to show exactly how qualifications often mean nothing. This is especially true if it comes from a trans activist with nothing to say but pure crap.
@@natepoodle9132can you actually be specific with the claims your trying to make? It’s easy to just call something “crap” without stating why you think that’s the case. Tell me why you think it’s crap and support your claim with sufficient evidence. Doubt you even watched the first 10 minutes of the video
@@arkparkp4185 I endured all of it, thanks to 2x speed. He implied sex is not binary in humans. If you need help with/ evidence for that, then cease the conversation right now. The vast majority of what he says is irrelevant waffle. I could have finished this video in less than a minute. Possibly around the same amount of time it takes to read this comment.
@@arkparkp4185 It’s crap because he’s right human biology is complicated but where it’s wrong is when it’s used to justify saying there’s more than 2 genders. Sure we can mess with genetic code in a lab to create some intersex genders and what not but that isn’t a 3rd gender. If there’s truly a 3rd gender what is its unique characteristics and what is its reproductive purpose?
@@natepoodle9132 he doesn't imply that, he states it outright that sex is not binary in humans. It never has been.
I’m building a list of videos to show my parents when they eventually find out I’m trans. This is such an excellently thorough and deep exploration of the topic that I can help but put it at the top of that list. Thanks for the hard work you clearly put into this video 💛
Yo Mitchell, good luck when coming out(or when your parents find out). Just keep in mind that u are valid and loved, if not by your parents, then by your friends and the community. Much love
I was thinking the same thing. Have you "come out" yet? I've been trans for 3 yrs but I'm too chicken to tell my dad.
@@rat_dragon no, not quite ready yet. I’ve known for about a year and a half at this point, but I’ll probably wait until I’m out of college
@@mgpalpha as a homosexual i think i can give an advice on this- wait till u are ready and don’t force it; bad side of it is that sexuality and gender have different ways of expressions and its quite difficult to hide you are trans while smb can hide their homosexuality for all of their life; but what im saying is, dont force yourself and dont wake up with the “i have to come out so others know and yada yada yada” mindset; if you are coming out, do it for yourself. Good luck and much love
I strongly recommend TheraminTrees' video on coming out, it has great advice on what to do and not do before, during and after coming out.
The neuroscience bit really helped me understand, especially using the example of a man literally being trapped in a woman’s body. Incredible video with great insight that I’ll be using for the rest of my life.
Great video, but wrong at 1:22. Humans are not just Animals. Humans have become something-else. Thats fact. Great Video though; i emailed it to my Family instantly.
@@slevinchannel7589 you are both right and wrong, yes we have developed true language which is one of few things that separate us from animals, but strictly biologically we are animals and almost every part of our biology can be related to almost any other animal
@@therealme1362 eh idk If we can say that as what is a true language? One that’s only spoken by humans? Cuz that’s just hypocritical as we can understand human languages but not other animal’s languages. We know species like orca have languages and cultures that change from region to region and pod to pod yet we don’t actually understand what they’re saying. We’re like dogs, can recognise sounds & actions that follow them but we don’t actually understand the language being spoken so I don’t think it’s fair to say that their languages aren’t true languages just because us humans can’t understand them & translate them yet, we may be able to in the future but who knows!
@@therealme1362 to me the only thing that separates our languages to other very complex animal languages is that we can write & read our spoken languages when other animals can’t.
@@kateemily I think that's what they meant. I suppose they could've said true communication instead but we are the only species to effectively use all forms of communication.
This guy just made me realize that almost everything I wrote in my biology exam about chromosomes is false.
Karyotypes aren't separate sexes, too bad you weren't smart enough to learn that.
A+
Nothing I have said in my essays are right ;D
No, your biology exam was just fine.
@@blackmore4 nope it wasn't
be educated is the most attractive thing a man can do
And you assumed my gender after watching this video?
What's the most attractive thing a woman can do?
He sounds smart to the average queer person, but that's only because they have autism ❤
@jawbrace conservatives try to be funny challenge
This just made me tear up. You legit just said you want to focus on listening to people like me who are living out the science that we should be focusing on. Obviously, that's a low scale, selfish version, but either way. This made me feel so seen. How remarkable
… now _that_ was a well cited rant! 👏 Also very educational, thank you for that.
I did an interview with an intersex person once, where we talked about her (she identifies as female) life experiences, myths about intersex people, helpful resources, etc...
TH-cam banned it as "sexually explicit," for having the word "sex" in "intersex" 🙃
You got to list adult content under educational so that it doesnt get removed.
You dont know how many explicit adult content is on youtube and i'm talking about alot that shows everything.
bruh
Somebody send this to JK Rowling!
, and, Benny boy Shapiro.
It wouldn't change her mind.
she did made some not that clever or appreciated comment.
point is I only remember there was a comment, but not the contence of it anymore. The fuss was louder then the message.
@@kamion53 nah, she doubled down later
@@ItCameFromTheSkyBeLo yeah, these people don't want their minds changed. they just turn up the volume on their own shit because they think if they're louder it makes them right.
cant wait to show this to my transphobic classmates and when they complain about not understanding it i can just tell them to explain it back to me since its "basic biology"
roasted
That is A LOT to take in, as someone who stopped studying biology in highschool. And it has definitely opened my eyes regarding sexuality and gender identity.
Also props to the fact that the video is super entertaining and not just informative. That said, I think I'm going to watch it again, there is so much info that one watch is definitively not enough!
Damn I want like complete hour long classes from this guy
He does lectures live on TikTok. They are Epic!
I feel like you just singlehandedly made a whole lot of people revert from saying "it's just science, man" back to saying stuff like "god doesn't make mistakes".
Love this
Are you spying on my grandpa? Because that's exactly what happened
Right but then he asks for circumcision to be done? Nonsense
Cool so he meant to create variations
Well, at least their finally being honest about the origin of their opinions being rooted in historical religious interpretations instead of modern science.
I really love the use of SMB2 music during the citations because Birdy
As a straight male with few lgbt friends, this is definitely an eye opener. I knew about lgbt in other animals but wasn't too sure on gender identity and "feeling like the opposite sex". This video taught me a lot on this topic and has been the clearest in making me understand the whole concept so much better.
Also, the whole list of citations made me very excited for some reason 😂
there are no transgender animals.
and in some groups of animals, same sex behavior is not the same as being gay in a human. in insects it could be accidental, or a mating strategy where one male just uses another to carry is sperm to a female
You can’t “feel like a sex”, that you are not. That’s impossible😌
@@leahjames6870 Why not? You obviously *FEEL* the presence of some divine being in your life and yet you yourself are not one. Just say that you don't understand trans folks or that they make you uncomfortable. Those are easily relatable things and no one would judge you to much for it, but when you invoke some higher power condemning others is when people get mad. It's ok not to understand, it's ok to be squicked out, but it's not ok to be a bigot!
Edit: for anyone else, this person did infact invoke "gOd" under one of my comments and now im hunting around for other comments of theirs. Sorry for the confusion and happy scrolling! 😘
The LGB is based on sexuality and biological truth. The "T" is based on "genderism". Not based in biological reality. It's opposite to biological reality.
@@kathyb1011 for starters, your comment is being hidden. I can only see it because I previously commented on this thread.
Secondly: how can you accept that being gay is a biological imperative while being trans is not?? You're almost there my guy! Almost...
A literal biologist: cites well over 200 verified, scientific sources of information
Bigots: cites one, non-verified source that doesn't even touch on the topic of gender identity
Wonder whose words hold more weight
these are just people who don't want to accept how complicated the world is because that would mean making efforts to educate themselves which doesn't sit well with their narcissistic ignorant personalities. So they just choose to live in their overly simplified ridiculous version of the world.
basically too dumb for science
people who say “it’s basic biology” fail to realize biology is not a basic subject
Just because there are some people hard to classify as male or female (0.02% births), how is this relevent to the trans debate with most people on Earth, including most transsexuals, being easily classifiable? How is the existence of, let's say, Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome relevent to whether or not a man without any intersex condition can be a woman, provided that he is part of the 99.98% of the population that is undoubtedly either male or female with no ambuigity surrounding the subject?
I think you need to re-watch the video again because you either didn't watch it or didn't understand most of what it says.@@WiktoriaMartaKrawczyk
@@volvandthepocketkaiju Usually when people bring up the intersex gambit and keep insisting on 'sex not being so simple and easy to tell' they do it to prove that everyone's sex depends on identity because 'you cannot objectively tell in many cases in anyway', even if most people calling themselves the other sex are not intersex.
This man commits the fallacy of comparison several times, because he can't make good arguments and just spouted big words for dumb people. Smarter people saw through his little word salad games, and he didn't make a decent argument that can stand to peer reviews.
@@drchilapastrosodrlasmacas438 can I ask what your qualifications are ?
as someone studying sociology, i LOVE having discussions about gender with biologists
Freakin' cool!
i dont care what someone's gender is.
@@rizkyadiyanto7922 good for you? i guess?
This shattered my whole world view when I first watched it and I’m so thankful I found it, incredibly interesting!
I'm so happy you are open minded enough to understand these concepts. I makes me hopeful for humanity to see people like you change their perspective when you are finally given a chance to understand. Thank you so so much for having an interest in making the world a better place for me and all my other trans friends. It truly means the world to me
@@magma7155 Hi and thanks for commenting, really kind of you :) I think all matters would be a lot easier to deal with if we just collectively agreed that:
1) The Dunning Krueger effect is very much real and maybe some topics require more nuance than just two or three talking points and
2) The human body is just… really weird. Although we’re making advancements we still don’t understand everything about it and that’s okay.
I think this video does a great job persuading people toward empathy, it manges to be informative without being either daunting or dumbing things down and that’s quite a feat!
What was ur previous worldview?
@@magma7155 th-cam.com/video/fEarZFdOdis/w-d-xo.html
It’s quite simple, actually. The reality is that many of the fundamental building blocks of societal functions are not, in fact, based on science.
Thank you so much! I have Turner Syndrome and am a cis woman. I'm also a butch lesbian who is also on the ace spectrum. This is the first video that makes sense of all this. Biology has always fascinated me because of all the complicated interactions of different systems. This should be required viewing in any middle school.
Thank you Forrest. Imagine teaching this to our youth! What an amazing and thought provoking world we would be living in!!
Just indoctrination but okay
As a biologist myself, I can say:
HS Biology: “This is species and sex works between males and females”
Biology Research: “Species and gender don’t exist” lol
I have found the same thing in studying Mathematics.
HS: "Here are some formulas, and this is how numbers work"
Higher mathematics: "All of your previous assumptions are wrong"
@@vivianzadnik6779 This comment gave me a brain aneurysm
I think you mean Sex, not Species
@@vivianzadnik6779 same goes with physics,
Physics in school: "Here's Newton's 3 Laws, use the formula, apply and solve :)"
Physics in Higher studies: "Uses partial differential equations and gets stuck in a loop whilst giving you a brain aneurysm"
@@goldh2o543 No I think he means species. That line too has different definitions and can get pretty fuzzy.
Oh my god I'm already in love with this. Love how you define the terms you will be using. I'm a philosopher, and I have been taught that this is very important in order to convey the message properly. Language is a form of communication. There are no "right" or "wrong" words as long as the meaning is passed through from the speaker to the listener.
So what's your stance on racial slurs then?
@@drsamuelhaydensecretgaming6749 In the case of racial slurs, the meaning you're trying to convey is hideous, and THAT'S the problem with them.
What's the difference between a philosopher and an extra large pizza? The pizza can feed a family of four!
As a trans person who has mainly looked at the social and performative aspects of gender, this was really eye-opening. Keep up the good work!
He's discussing sex. I'm sure you know full well what female means in non human animals, especially since you want to LARP as one.
Fellow trans person here to agree. I definitely enjoyed it.
@@myjessicajourney1915 You still have a sex. Why does gender identity take precedence over it?
That's what's rediculous about the folks who deride folks who say "there are more than two sexes and gender is a construct", because they don't get that that came from biologists, they they decry Bill Nye as "falling to the woke mob" 😂 these bigot cats are literally ignorant
@@blacktigerpaw1 I'm not going to contest that I have my sex assigned at birth as M and I do have a penis, but I guess you missed the rest of this video? I don't think your post is as strong of an argument as you think it is.
I knew there was variation involved in human sex but nature is more wild than I ever imagined!
Great video, Forrest!
I learned more from this video that simply, "scratches the surface" about sex and gender, than I learned in my AP Biology class... Thank you so much. All the love for people like you who make this content❤
In 2015 I had pain just below my belly button. It started in the morning and got worse throughout the day. I went to the emergency room with a low grade fever. The doctors were hesitant to give me a CT at first due to my symptoms, and since I had recently had another X-ray. Luckily they did run the scan. Turns out my appendix was infected and by the time of my surgery my surgeon was surprised that it had not ruptured. The moral, point, and reason for my story, “normally” the appendix is on the right side of the body but in my case it was in a different spot. This almost caused me to go home with a potentially deadly condition.
my dad had a similar story- at 11 nearly died because the surgeons couldn't find his appendix and it burst during surgery, it was just in another spot. wildly that's not the closest he's come to death on an operating table, at 15 he was riding his bike and got turned into hamburger by a semi truck. he's fine now!
thanks for telling. Shows that broad generalizations are always a medical danger. Now imagine all the assumptions that are made when trans or intersex people have to tick a male/female box on an evaluation form instead of being asked the things that are actually relevant for the medical issue in question - like: "do you have ovaries? do you have higher testosterone than estrogen? ..."
I mean sometimes it leads to quite funny answers to questions when it is just assumed that you are either male or female in all aspects - but that's not funny in medical emergencies or medication that could lead to problems short or long-term when given in the wrong dose, missing preventive care, etc.
Forrest Valkai, you're amazing! As a cis white male, I'm so glad that you broke down this topic this way. I wish there were more people like you, that broke down science, and took a rational approach to life. We should be friends.
if this video had 8 billion views, world peace would be achieved
Nah, just human extinction. What he calls natural variability is fine but if it's disabling our ability to successfully reproduce, he will lie and say it isn't a congenital birth defect that is a harmful mutation.
So it's autism, fashion trends, the evil force of marketing, and Petro chemicals confusing gene expression in human bodies, and his bad arguments commiting logical fallacies.
As a transman thank you for this. I was able to show this to my family to prove I was not just 'mentally ill'.
Have you all seen 'GOP vs Queer' by 'Some More News'?
@@nenmaster5218 indeed I have, I love that one he almost matches my anger level there.
But you probably are though
@@kennyadedayo8550 It's more social influence, among the kids anyway. Highly doubt all the kids who claim to be trans actually suffer from gender dysphoria.
@@kennyadedayo8550 I see Disinterest. Im sorry to see many not much interest in being Updated, let alone fighting-back
against Extremism. I fear not many people even watched the video 'Marjorie Taylor Greene
Has DEEPLY Disturbing Views'.
Loved this. I am almost 60 and I am demi-sexual (which is a form of asexuality). Some of the most frustrating conversations I have had with male friends over beers is when they see an attractive women and they would ask me 'Would you do her?' My honest answer is 'I don't know.' They can't understand, she is attractive, she is female, how could I not know? Once again my honest answer is 'I don't know her.' They can't compute this. Why would I have to know her to find her attractive. Truth is that I don't, I understand that she is attractive. Truth is, I have to know her and have positive interactions with her in order to feel the urge to act on that attraction. But try explaining that to someone who gets a hard-on every time a young woman walks past him. Queue George Thorogood I Drink Alone...its better company.
I never knew the term demi-sexual. Interesting
Ayyy another aspec person! I'm asexual and have identified as such since high school. Totally get what you went through, I've tried to explain to straight friends how I just don't get sexually attracted to Anyone Ever (I don't think I'm demi, very just ace) they do not understand it. And they get confused cause I can tell when someone is like, conventionally attractive but I still don't get the f e e l i n g s. Confusing straight people is a fun thing for me sometimes :)
Wait people arnt like this!!?? I thought they forced themselves to think they wanted to have sex with them because they thought it was funny or something?? People actually get hard for that?? What!?? How you think is normal? Isn't that normal?? I feel conflicted...am I not normal then? 😥😨😫
@@amepetrie.7436 Hi there Val G, I hope we didn't stress you out with this. Yeah, finding out that most people experience genuine sexual attraction to others can be weird when you yourself are somewhere on the aromantic and/or asexual spectrum. Don't worry about 'being normal' cause what's even normal, ya know? Everyone is different and I don't think there's even such a thing as "normal." If you are unfamiliar with asexuallity and wanna learn more about it, I encourage you to check out other people's stories and do some research. There's quite a few channels on TH-cam that have incredible hosts who identify somewhere on the asexual spectrum and have a great community of followers. I personally gained a lot of self confidence when I figured I was asexual, so I really hope you don't feel alienated or anything like that. I hope you can take confidence in your identity, whatever you find that might be, and I wish you the best of luck if you choose to question your sexuality more closely
@@Creature_of_Knight ahh I already suffer from anxiety how do I live my life knowing people get TURNED ON by LOOKING AT People?? Wtheck. Do you know if it happens everyday? Do you know how it works by any chance? I've searched quite a lot on Google and TH-cam and people arnt really going into detail (probably why I never knew why it ExiSted) but you don't have to answer I know it's a lot, just trying to wrap my head around it. 😵💫😖😅
I am actually intersex and ended up with some interesting developments as a result. Biology is weird and fun, I wish transphobes would understand that and stop being horrible people.
Sadly conservatives will never change. All we can hope is they become leftist like us
@Danny Adam I think this political left/right segregation is very conservative.
@@f.e.groenwold2073 I don’t disagree but modern Conservatism doesn’t really have any middle ground. It seems like many Conservatives these days just make their entire political position as “Fuck the libs.” There’s far more of opposing things based purely on being an opposition than an actual political position. This isn’t to say all of them are like this but far too many are and are extremely loud
@@marshallleevalentine By conservative I mean outdated, just like the segregation in two "sexes".This is weird: I click on the little bell to see new messages, I can see the beginning of your reply, but when I click on “view 3 messages” your reply is no longer there and I can only see 2 other replies.
@@f.e.groenwold2073
Who gets to define what exactly is “outdated” ?
YOU ?
JOE BIDEN ?
THE POPE ?
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I could listen to Forrest for hours! Also the Mario Bros 2 music at the end was awesome! 😂
That was the most sassy citation section I have ever seen. I love it.
See is. Sin. Only for procreation. God bless.
@@michaelpondo3657 Can you unpack that word salad for me real quick?
Hoooollyyyy crap! You mean to tell me I’ve been wrong the whole time?!😳 I grew up hating on the LGBTQ PEOPLE all because I was told it’s a sin and that God don’t like them. I feel so stupid now hearing this. How little I know I feel so bad now. Thank you so much for this video and for opening my eyes about this topic and thanks to you, i now have to look at things different than what I was taught. Wow I never bother looking into science as well because I was told they don’t make any sense and they always change. After watching this video I’m gon look into science more. There’s so much I don’t know apparently and here I thought I did. gosh I’m an idiot.🤦🏾
You are not an idiot, you WERE an idiot, but now you learned and grew. Don't be angry for how you were in the past, be happy that you now know. :)
It's alright. You are not alone, I've been that way, too. Thankfully, we can grow out of our bad ideas and beliefs. Congrats to you 👍 it takes strength and effort to change your mind and admit you were wrong. Let's just keep learning to eradicate bad ideas.
Congratulations, it takes a strong will to go outside one's comfort zone in a quest to educate oneself. Good luck mate!
You aren’t an idiot. An idiot would ignore the argument. You have just been misled by idiots.
@@Matt_the_pirate according to some of my friends and family it’s a curse and weakness, but thank you for your thoughts, I feel like a little kid again relearning everything on this new journey I’m on.😅
"This isn't my lane, but..."
*provides long list of proof*
"So go ahead and read those and get back to me about why I'm wrong."
The confidence is amazing. XD
Love it.
you can explain this over and over again to anyone, and they’ll drag you down with a silly misunderstanding or some fallacy. it’s exhausting- but regardless the only way forward is moving on. My days of arguing with bigotry are coming to an end. my new goal, and the goal of all others who find themselves knowing my existence is valid must move on to help others validate their own.
as a teen who cannot pass biology, this video gave me so much insight and validation (as i’m currently questioning my identity as a whole) thank you so much❤️❤️
If you need a good strategy to understand a topic for research you can do a study strategy i call the pipeline or the moth meathod, you open a paper/ or you can go to a page for learning a topic (like khan academy) and then when you start reading, the first term you are not sure of then you now to to a page explaining that, if you see another unknown term in the explaination then look into that as well. Rinse and repeat until understood the topic, the pipeline name is obvious but the moth name is because you immediately fly into the first large unknown light/topic
as a nonbinary person: thank you so much for this. i have never felt more validated about my gender. time to send this video to every member of my extended family who ever said it was all in my head! :)
It's impossible to not have a gender
As a queer person, this video brought such a feeling of joy and peace to my heart. It's definitely going down in one of the best videos I've ever seen... You see, I always wanted to know about the technical science behind the way I am
... And it was always an ambiguous thing all over the internet. But atleast it makes more sense than it ever did.
@@lev3432 cool but who asked
@@lev3432 not true... there are people legally recognised as no gender.
It is inside your head, Aiden, because no amount of genderfeels will change your female body.
This video is a great watch. I’ve heard many different explanations about why people are trans and queer but this covers such a wide range of things quickly that it makes me glad to be human and to have a rough idea of where I sit on the gender and sexuality spectrums.
Dont bother about that response video, its all bs.
Fucking love this. You can't even argue with people who aren't willing to listen. This forces them to.
I wouldn't count on it. Why will they listen to this if they are so unbending?
Unfortunately, going by some of the other comments here, I fear your optimism is misplaced. :(
He says sex and gender are separate and then conflates them for the rest of the video. He is profoundly confused.
This is quite literally one of the BEST videos I have EVER seen. Kinda makes me want to be a biologist now.
Lols
Everyone needs to see this video! 30 minutes drastically impacted how I understand this topic.
This video should be mandatory at the start of every semester.
Conservatives: "facts don't care about your feelings!"
Science: "trans are ok"
Conservatives: "Imma pretend I didn't hear that, and keep going with my hatred towards 'em anyway..."
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Haha so true
Science doesn't say 'trans are OK', science says transgender ideology is nothing to do with science.
@@littlekittybell Annnnd you didn't watched the video nor the 233 sources proving that science do say "trans people are ok" 😐
I would just say respect trans peoples pronouns, and don't take rights away. treat everyone as equal that means no one gets sepeshal treatment basised on identy or sexual orionation.
This should be compulsory viewing in sex-ed classes. It might make some conservatives more human.
But they're too inhuman and in control to let this be taught there.
If somebody can be trans gender can somebody become transracial? Can myself as a white person paint my face black and demand you call me black?
@@Ajas0810 *_If somebody can be trans gender can somebody become transracial?_*
Sweetie I realise transphobic bigots are dumber than a brick, but you take the cake. Race is a social construct, not a biological category. I'm a biologist, I know there's only one human race. If a black man and a white woman have a baby, what "race" is it? Can't answer that, you doofus. Sexual identity is set not just between the legs, but between the ears. Your mileage obviously varies, but I think what's between the ears is more important.
@@Ajas0810 do you actually think those two things are equivalent? Wow that's sad.
@@imnotdavidxnsx why not? There’s way more biological similarities between a black and white man than a man and a woman.
I stopped being transphobic, but it took several years of effort. First I had to overcome a literal fear response to seeing anyone who was very androgynous. so I watched contrapoints(Natalie Wynn) and she helped me get over that. So I flip-flopped about acceptance for a while, until I deconstructed my religious dogmas. Then I listened to Abby Thorne's coming out story, and accepted her with some real joy and gratitude. But I hadn't ever heard anyone discuss the neurochemistry of gender until now. Thank you!
@@jdubo1998 We treat people with schizophrenia. The treatement for trans people is to transition. Not complicated.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 We don't go along with a schizophrenics delusions though. Let me get this clear, that I am fine with someone transitioning if they are an adult and that is what they choose to do, free country.
What I have a problem with is that apart of the solution now is to make sure that everyone else conforms to their delusion by having to alter their own reality and acknowledge them as the opposite gender. Gender is a social construct, which means not everyone defines gender how you want it defined.
If my social definition of gender is a parallel to sex, then no matter how many surgeries you get, a trans-man is still a woman and a trans-woman is still a man. People need to respect that view, and get over their selfish desire to get justification from others. A person can delude themselves into thinking they are tall, thin, and handsome all they want, but if in reality, they are fat, short, and ugly, then it is ridiculous to expect other's to acknowledge their fantasy. But for some reason, gender dysphoria gets a pass and you are bigoted for not acknowledging someone else's deluded reality.
@@legrandliseurtri7495 Chopping off their penis isn't healthy or a treatment. It's an illness.
@@PantheraCat A very small percentage of trans women bother with this considering how expensive it is. It's a safe surgery if it can be afforded, however, or as safe as surgery can be anyway.
I know it's been half a year, but as someone who wants to understand people to the greatest extent I can, I'm too curious not to ask: Jordan, you said you had a genuine fear response to seeing people who appeared androgynous, which you imply was religiously motivated. Can you explain/do you know what that fear was based in? Were you afraid of what a person like that might do to you or others, or was it something else? Did you feel like you were in danger when you noticed one was nearby?
I'm familiar with the idea that a lot of transphobia and homophobia come from fear (I mean it's right there in the name, for starters, but it's almost always associated with anger and hate, not fear), but I've never understood what it was people were actually afraid OF. And I'd very much like to understand, if you're willing to help me do so.
Thank you so much for this. Totally destroys the ‘What is a Woman?’ narrative.
Without offering any alternative answer to "adult human female."
@leemoore5212 it did provide an answer. A woman cannot be defined, because there will always be an exception. Watch the video we're commenting on if you'd like to learn more
@@Banana_Quarrel Identify the time in the video in which Forrest explains this to your satisfaction.
And save time by yourself specifying a exception to "woman = adult human female" , outside the realm of metaphor.
Fun fact originally when baby colours where first being assigned in England pink was going to be for boys because it is a light red and the English army wore red coats. So the idea was that boys would wear pink to show that they where young men and once they where olo enough to join the army they would get there classic red coats showing they where now men. Thanks for the great video keep it up.
Proof that pink is the manliest color.
Also, the red coats were used to cover bloodstains on their jackets, that way their enemies don't know if they're bleeding or not
I don't think this is true. I just think it used to be more neutral. Do you have any kind of source for this?
There is also De La Chappelle syndrome where the SRY gene translocates to an X and makes XX male phenotype. Sadly I know other medical students that don't understand any of this. Were getting much better, but it would still be beneficial for medical doctors to understand these things.
Can you tell me more about that or give me a source where I can find more? I'm genuinely interested
as a transgender woman l appreciate folks like you educating the world on this topic. I love your videos 🥰
You're 100% valid and i support you
ME TOO!!! Another trans woman here, and one with a special interest in biology. It makes me so happy to see our lives validated by science and facts, the ones bigots keep trying to use against us. Biology proving people like us exist instead of trying to label us as outliers just, is one of the many things I love about the subject.
It seems crazy to me that people are so invested in denying something that does not touch them. I am a gay man so I understand how I am different from what people expect. I do not experience transsexualism… Transsexuality?… So I don’t feel I can comment on it. I do what Forrest said, listen to the people who are living the experience. There is simply too much variation for anyone to insist that everyone lock themselves into little boxes. :) Like you I am pleased to find out the things that were said in this video. I’m very pleased someone like young Forrest is putting himself out there.
We need something like the Kinsey scale for gender as well.
@@bksrmt just so you know, the term “transsexual” is quite outdated as gender has nothing to do with sexuality, you can use “transgender” instead. Also the term “transgenderism” (or its variation “transsexualism”) doesn’t really have a nice ring to it (as if it’s some kind of affliction), so I would steer clear from using those words.The symptom that most trans people experience is gender dysphoria, which is a feeling of unease or repulsion at their AGAB (assigned gender at birth), so with that in mind you could’ve instead said that you do not experience gender dysphoria
I know you meant no harm, though! With the way you used the word “transsexual”, I’m guessing you must be somewhat older, so I hope I helped you understand what kind of language we use nowadays
As a biologist and member of the LGBT community myself, thank you so much for talking about this topic. You really have great talent for education and I hope your career goes well.
As a biologist, realize sex is binary in humans as it is with all mammals, DSDs aren't separate sexes, and yes we can tell apart the sexes without a gene test.
@@blacktigerpaw1 I really don’t want to get into an argument with someone who is obviously so angry at what other people do with their lives and how they choose to identify. Please find a hobby or something different to do with your time that isn’t trying to force people to fit the small minded boxes of human behavior and expression you’ve created. But, to entertain you:
Sex is MOSTLY binary across mammals depending on the definition of sex you use (as clearly explained in the video). Also, sex is not the same as the social concept of gender. While you cannot truly change your sex genetically, you can change your gender as gender expression and identity are fluid and not rigid. Also, neither he nor I ever say that you can’t genetically screen for sex so... I guess we agree despite the fact that you seem to think you are saying something revolutionary. Thank you and have a blessed day
@@blacktigerpaw1 as someone who ignored the video you should watch it and learn something
@@ParanormalEncyclopedia I watched the whole thing.
We do not need a genetics test to tell the difference between the sexes, because sexual dimorphism is a thing.
DSDs are also not separate sexes, and transwomen don't have ladybrains.
@@edselsantoni6138 Yes he did. Forest said gametes were gendered when they're sex.
You keep saying sex and gender aren't the same and how it doesn't affect our lives, yet prioritize gender over sex. It's this attitude that has led to males like Lia Thomas destroying women's records in sports.
Sex is binary. DSDS ARE NOT SEPARATE SEXES. They are variations within sex.
Forrest said there is no way to tell who is male or female without a DNA test, despite telling us that transwomen have female brains and how they're women because of gender.
I've watched the video.
in my PHIL 150 class, we’re talking about why trans people are valid human beings and aren’t mentally ill (my town is pretty regressive). so this video is super important and people are already freaking out in the group chats, love the video and i love how you’ve used to many examples of biology being super weird and interesting. amazing video.
Philosophy is not supposed to be about arguing one assigned politically correct argument. That's propaganda.
@@NightTimeDay philosophy is supposed to be concerned with thought and its relationship to truth. how is that not going to enter into the realm of politics, when the whole name of the political game is arguing that your opponent is lying and you're telling the truth?
@@basil3663 you misunderstood my comment. I'm agreeing, I'm saying that philosophy is about exploring all possibilities to get at truth, even in political or moral issues. It is not about agruing one side of an issue, as the original comment phrased it. It should also take science into account, but we are unable to as activists have a strangle hold over psychological literature on trans issues. Thus philosophy is not doing its job and has been corrupted. Thus it is useless--as OP describes it--for anything other than propaganda.
@@NightTimeDay So, in this instance, your opinion is that the two equally valid "sides" in this Philosophy class were, #1-Trans people are valid human beings and #2-Trans people are mentally ill? And it's "propaganda" for people in a philosophy class to judge the most coherent and correct philosophical position?
Here's the rub: The fields of science and philosophy are not apolitical. A very cursory and basic understanding of biological reality disproves "side" #2 without question. It's entirely appropriate and ADVISABLE for some philosophical and political "sides" to be unequivocally identified and accurately labeled as WRONG and then subsequently worked OUT of society. That's not mean or unfair or unequal. That's a good judgment that should be judged by an educated society when they have a firm grasp on reality thanks to the scientific process.
The fact that a specific political "side" or philosophical framework may be offended, disappointed, saddened, or disenfranchised, is...frankly...irrelevant.
If this were not so, we would still have thousands and thousands of extremely harmful philosophical claims guiding our society just because we were afraid to judge a "side" as factually wrong and adjust our culture accordingly.
@@sharpienate Lol science is political. Tavistock would like a word.
I have shared this video so many times. I love Forest for this. THANK YOU!!
Context: a week ago I was binge watching an atheist comedian, that brought the atheist experience into my suggested videos, so I started watching a you over there, then I found out you had your own channel, now I'm here. And now I'm finding out that I've been completely ignorant to the facts of sex and gender. I knew I didn't know alot about it, but I had no idea that I didn't know that much about it. All that to say, thanks you for making this video 2 years ago so I could stumble upon it today. Im a straight white guy, I think so anyway lol, but you've really opened my eyes to what other people are really going through