Many of you will have seen the news about Lunaz today and we were so sad to hear that the Applied Technologies side of the business is being restructured owing to the challenging market created by ambiguity for Local Authorities surrounding 2030 ICE bans. However, we chose to release the episode any way as, my word they've got an incredible mission, fantastic engineers and amazing vehicles - we wanted to share that with you too. We just hope that their efforts to rescope production timelines means they can continue making the road to net zero that much more straightforward and affordable with their upcycled bin lorries.
How about just have your Tesla fanboy correspondent in the USA review byd s fleet of ev garbage trucks. They are already a comparable price, if not far cheaper. Not sure two bit would do a fair review but who knows......
So frustrating that lack of policy clarity and government support make initiatives like this so difficult financially. It's clearly a hugely positive process environmentally and for jobs and health.
It *is* Rishi's policy! Oil money lubricating the party's coffers, new gas power stations approved, wind turbine farms delayed, tacit support for communities complaining about the essential upgrades to the electrical power grid, solar farms being denied permission etc. Rishi's policy is "anything except the right thing".
@@darrenaitcheson795True. True in every country in fact. The solution is to ban corporate involvement in the political system. No campaign contributions, no lobbying, no influence peddling, etc., etc. Voting and interacting with elected officials is for actual humans, not unliving corporate entities.
Either with conversion or new, these electric garbage trucks definitely needed!! (a) constant stop/start and full stop operation makes diesel even more inefficient and dirty toxic emissions. Moreover, they're spewing that stuff right in our faces where we live. (b) total distance traveled (range) is small and top speed is very low (c) Noise reduction. I've been woken by the local garbage trucks more times than I care to know.
I'd think it'd be a nicer experience for the operators, too. Less noise, less inhaled exhaust, generally smoother operation all around --- I'd think it'd be generally less stressful to work with. I'd like to hear from someone who actually uses one (either ICE or electric).
@@bewilderbeestie Good point. I know another group of workers in worse shape. Its port workers at the shipping docks. There are interviews of them saying they cannot wait for the port to electrify their trucks. The toxic diesel emissions at ports are brutally bad. This information easily found online.
@@beyondfossil : The big forklifts, log-handlers, various lifting equipment, etc. that are found in large numbers around ports would also be logical targets for this treatment.
@@hi-tech-guy-1823 Absolute bollocks. For a start LPG is propane and doesn't come from landfill, and secondly you statement is totally untrue. Virtually all UK bin lorries still run on diesel.
If there is ever any doubt where EV truck is needed, it’s this one. Heavy duty vehicles going around residential streets with constant stops and starting.
This was interesting - clearly there is a need for these vehicles to be quieter and less polluting as they drive around residential areas at 6am... it would have been good to understand how the economics work, ie how much does a new ICE bin lorry cost, how much is a new electric one, and how much are these guys charging to convert an ICE bin lorry to EV... what are the pressures on operators to switch to EV (running costs, emissions targets etc)?
I think you're underestimating how much the sound of refuse being tipped into the back of these vehicles and ground up with big rotating motors drowns out the sounds of a diesel engine at 6am in a morning. As for polluting, most diesel commercial vehicles have to abide by strict Euro 6 standards since September 2015 so pollution is minimal anyway (I think it's about 0.5g/km), probably much less than the coal/oil powered electric generators that supply the grids with increasing amounts of electricity to charge these EVs. And that's not even going into the pollution caused during the mining and manufacture of the batteries. But aside from all that, let's get back to the video. I have a couple of other questions that could be asked alongside your own. What is the point of a 0-50mph acceleration in a vehicle that weighs up to 10 tonnes (as stated in the video) and travels around residential streets at a crawl most of the time stopping at each house on the way. For a vehicle that can carry that amount of weight and produce that amount of torque how big is the battery pack and how much of the vehicles maximum allowable gross weight is taken up by these batteries instead of the cargo they are supposed to be carrying. How much does using these battery packs to drive the large motors that grind and compress the refuse affect the vehicle's range. Can they still operate for a full day before having to return to base for charging for hours at a time? Because if they can't complete a full days work then either councils will have to purchase more of these more expensive vehicles or start letting rubbish pile up on the streets. To be honest, EV refuge collection vehicles is almost as dumb as EV emergency vehicles, not quite as bad, but close. Less life threatening at any rate.
@@Galerak1 Well, we have electric refuse vehicles operating within Oxford and they are indescribably quieter than diesel/hydraulic equivalents. They're not upcycled ones but are ones on sale from an established manufacturer. They contribute greatly to the relative peace and quiet of Oxford town centre, which is increasingly served by electric buses too. All DPD and Royal Mail vehicles are electric too, and there's a clean air zone around the centre. Believe me, electric refuse trucks are an amazing sight to behold and not hear. Don't knock it until you've experienced it.
And as for the rest of your anti-EV stuff... I'll politely point you to other videos on this channel that pretty much disprove all of your arguments. Time to go and find out some facts before you write lengthy articles of nonsense.
@@Galerak1minimal pollution is still infinitely higher than zero pollution and if you stand next to a large diesel engine you get polluted. Follow one around all day as the crew do and you will get seriously polluted. We have been over this many times before. Electric motors are much more efficient than ice motors so if you put all the diesel that you would put in the tank into a generator and charge a battery it would go further. So clean air, lower cost what is not to like. The truck can do 0-50 in 6 secs but that is not in the design spec, it comes as a bonus from an electric drive. Electric drives are perfect for crawling around stopping and stating. The motor delivers max torque at zero revs which is what you want when starting. With a diesel you have to rev the engine and release the clutch. Fuel intensive. Ever wondered why everybody wants electric trains and the trains with diesels are diesel-electric? .It's control and torque starting.
8:00 this seems so quiet in general - the garbage truck is like an alarm clock around here, the things are so loud. This alone would be such an improvement.
I'm all for quieter, more efficient EV trucks but it's interesting that despite all the modernization they still requite someone to manually connect the bin to the back. All the garbage trucks I've seen here in Oz are single operator with a robot arm lifting the bins and placing them back down.
@@johnnyonline This may be a UK thing. In Australia (where I'm based) they have articulated arms that grab the bin from the curbside. There may be requirements that dictate operators to continue to exit vehicles and connect the bin, in the UK. One reason could be the risk of environmental contamination that comes from the automation of this task - I've seen waste fly out of the bins when they are lifted into the lorry. I've also noticed that the articuled arms make a whole lot of noise too. I'm sure the UK has their reasons.
@@junior.seniorI think it is to do with having very narrow streets to manoeuvre through, &/or because many of their streets are already lined with cars, which wouldn’t work well with an Aussie type side bin grabbing arms configuration.
The waste companies are trying but they need them driving 12 hours and they need charging after 6 and then going to the tip. The hydraulics use lots of power...
@@Low760 Are you engaged with a waste or recycling service? It would be interesting to hear about the kinds of issues they are experieriencing with the new technology. I've found a company in Sydney which has an interesting work around, where they battery swap. To me, this is comparative to refueling with dinosaur juice.
Very impressive i bet it reduces driving fatigue, I was bin man for three years it loses its novelty putting bins on at the back after the first bin 😊. All seriousness it's all good wish the dust cart i was on was electric.
As someone who worked on the bins briefly several decades ago (yay temping for summer holiday jobs :p), I can say that working with modern bins appears to be near-infinitely better than manually hauling individual black sacks (especially on a hot summer morning after overnight rain...) as used to happen. Quieter and more efficient trucks would also be very welcome.
@logicalChimp Never did black bags just wheelie bins, but all the old timers banged on about it "you'd never manage on black bags" 😁 getting covered in bin juice 😖
Can you explain your statement a bit more? What did the politicians do or not do that caused trouble? It was unclear to me from the video what the problem was here.
This has got nothing to do with politicians. There is no legislation nor has there ever been any proposed legislation concerning the banning of commercial vehicles of this size. Nothing has changed. This company’s proposition to electrify refuse vehicles of this size is and always has been completely non viable.
Don’t believe the narrative. They were unable to meet customer deadlines due to poor management. I mean, look how empty the building is. It’s been like that from the start
Great to see older trucks being upgraded to EV technology, however there are quite a few issues that are ignored by this. The biggest one is that many smaller haulage firms rely on the supply of used ICE trucks as buying/leasing new (or even converting to EV) is not economically viable (I know as I am the MD of a small haulage firm). The economics don't really work, which I guess is why Lunaz are working with local authorities rather than commercial operators. Whilst the technology has to mature, there is a real danger that smaller haulage operators are squeezed out due to either a lack of supply of used vehicles, increased cost of new vehicles and the race to legislate towards zero carbon without looking at the impact on the industry. This will mean increased transport costs and a lack of choice for the consumer.
Another excellent episode from Imogen. I loved the walk to camera while she listed the 11 stages in upgrading the bin wagon - very smooth as well as informative. 👏👏
Brilliant video! Great to see that some of our old trucks are being converted and put back on the road instead of being scrapped or stripped for parts. Would love to see them in action after being converted. Hopefully get to see some about at some point.
We have had electric bin lorries for a couple of years, and you're right. Often you don't hear them. I especially enjoy it and the clean air when I cycle past one.
From a purely professional point of view, that piece to camera as you walked along the production line at ~ 9:37 was extremely impressive! As good as anything I've ever seen on TH-cam
Good to see what Fully Charged can produce when Robert is kept away from the camera - no fan boy interviews, silly sound effects or pointless rants. I can actually share this video without cringing.
Depressing that this INCREDIBLE thing is happening so well and then they shift timelines and goals. This needs to be moved earlier, not later. So happy to hear people out there doing this though. this is great to hear.
Love Imogen's wonderfully clear and precise presentation. Her diction and ability to deliver a long list of facts and hold ones interest are great. One pet peeve however, please stop adding ones to those (plural of that) and these (plural of this). Ones is completely redundant 🙂
The refuse trucks around here (Connecticut, USA) load from the side. Everything is done remotely from a single person in the driver's seat. All that is required is a similar bin to that UK version.
That would be impossible in the UK. Very few people have the ability to park their vehicle(s) on their property, meaning most people park on the road. There would be no way for a truck to access the bin on the sidewalk.
As the host says, super teeny tiny roads. The notion that in Britain it would be possible everywhere to put bins perpendicular to a curb so a side loading arm can just pick them up is ludicrous. A one way street for instance with houses on both sides of the street would require either half the bins dragged across the street or the garbage truck to drive the wrong way up the street. And that is if the street has two lanes available for driving after all the parked cars.
@@geraldbutler5484 there are bits of inner cities in Australia that i doubt a side arm garbage truck can be used. Yes most of Australia and America was built to accommodate cars but bits of Australia and lots of Britain wasn’t. Getting a trck lined up down those narrow old roads that are already overcrowded with cars seems either difficult or impossible.
Dennis Eagle tested an electric bin lorry a year or two ago. Apparently the crew were finishing their round significantly quicker (like 20 or 30 minutes) due to the improved acceleration over a diesel truck!
A wonderful company - best of luck in the future. The world needs more of this kind of thinking. Hopefully this will be a part of a vast manoeuvre, out-flanking and pushing back against the resisters to climate change mitigation.
Seems like a bit of a con with the cost of retrofitting almost being the same as buying a purpose built BEV refuse vehicle, I can see why they have gone into administration. I understand the principle of removing ICE engines permanently from the supply chain, but this neglects the fact that a lot of developing nations buy second hand stock as it is more affordable, replacing older less efficient combustion engines with second hand euro compliant trucks, emitting less pollution.
Indeed I think the brand new byd garbage trucks may in fact be cheaper, quote on the lunaz cost: The conversion process currently takes 20 days per truck, with Lunaz aiming to get that down to 11 days when they hit full production speed in 2026. At nearly half a million dollars each,....byd cost seems to be 300k US but hard to find firm figures.
The cost of a Lunaz UEV is a fraction of that of a new equivalent, whilst also featuring various additional safety/comfort features. The ICE engines are also decommissioned on site in order to prevent the problem of pollution being continually spread within third world countries. The Mercedes Econic is tested for a million miles, however the average life span only takes these trucks to around 100,000 miles. That is an obscure figure to comprehend; that’s only a 1/10 of their full capability. How can this brilliant idea be a con when the whole purpose is to allow these trucks to reach their full life expectancy by up-cycling original components (saving the equivalent weight of the Eiffel Tower each year) whilst replacing the polluting diesel engine with an in house electric powertrain?
My brother has worked in this industry down south for many years and they have trialling some Electrified wast trucks and found the after service and support services very poor, as they very little if any advice about how to charge the trucks up. Even here we heard nothing about after service care, or training or infrastructure assistance. If a company like this, which I fully supports, wants to bring this kind of solution to the market, it has to be model on the Tesla plan. These trucks need the right charger in the right place with the right training for the staff that use them, and the management that manage them. Otherwise its a very BIG expensive misake. Hope they get there restructuring right, and we get a Government that is will to support this kind of transitions. Otherwise China will win out across the board.
Hopefully they can bring in work from some of the other sectors that were mentioned but clearly a lot goes into making this the right solution. I wish them luck and good fortune.
Lunaz have retained the IP of this conversation so can start up again if they get a big enough partner 👍 The conversation of classic vehicles are not affected by this.
A bin lorry has no need to go 0-60 in 6 seconds. No road vehicle really does. This is not a selling point and one wonders what else might have been improved if such unnecessary capabilities hadn't been in the spec.
How unfortunate this restructuring is. I hope they'll make it and keep these trucks rolling. The silence as it works is the best thing I've heard in years!
Is the first selling point in the video literally just "We make sure that the original ICE engine of the truck gets scrapped, so that it can't be used elsewhere"?? Whatever happened to Reduce Reuse Recycle? Am I losing my mind here? I thought the widely agreed on scientific consensus was that making use of the materials/products/cars we've already produced was far better for the environment than producing new ones, even if they are more efficient. Making "we make sure a previously working engine never gets used again" one of your main selling points seems downright idiotic. Am I missing something here?
Seemed a lot of time money and investment into what is a niche vehicle which by usage doesn't need updating once in service for many years. We have 18T DAF electric trucks on test where I work and initial 6 months testing shows there is still a long way to go in development.
Charge times can be erratic even with the same level of battery left ( own chargers on site ) Range can suddenly suffer for no reason leading to being recovered a couple of times which involves specialist recovery. Used for local deliveries to hospitals where noise levels matter but trust has been lost in longer distances. Turnaround times don't suit logistics for JIT. @@hrford
@@hrfordexactly. What development is needed? If by that it’s meant ‘charging infrastructure’ then yes - because governments are stupid. DNO regulations are antiquate. And quite frankly the government lack of incentives and favouring petrol and diesel is obvious. But what about the vehicles?
Right the bin person now can watch Utube in the cab, you’ll never get them out it. But great move by any council getting these. It’s like a little girl getting to do one of her bucket list. In saying that I’ve always wanted to empty a bin too into the lorry and try driving it.
having the limiter on there to help the driving is awesome. this is where I feel all electric should be focused on. Cause then they won't have to worry about the where do I charge - but more of how many can we charge over night when costs are less etc. Big holding facilities should also have some solar/storage to also help offset the Carbon emissions from grid. looking fwd to seeing more vehicles like this in the US especially in big cities.
Electric bus company over there recently went bankrupt, and 1st electric concrete truck in Melbourne recently blew up on the freeway of its maiden voyage, should’ve been called the Titanic.
I don't really have any interest in electric cars (apart rom the aptera) but I really love this kind of vehicle electrification ..fantastic. ..and I love immogen she has such a lovely bubbly personality. :)
Just curious about one thing: Why do they need four passengers? Heck, in my city, they only have one person - the driver - who controls a hydraulically activated claw that grabs the can and dumps it into the vehicle. Each stop literally takes about 10 seconds. I believe a good portion of them are even powered by natural gas.
Ha..... Try making that work in the UK.... along a narrow country lane where every bin is in a different position and there's literally only just room for the lorry on the lane.... In fact, it would work ANYWHERE I can imagine.....!!!
The crew that empty my bins in the UK is a 4 person team. They must be on a hell of a bonus scheme as they run between the bins even at 3pm in the afternoon !! It wouldn't be possible to have one person operation in my street due to cars parked on the road and very random property boundaries.
Something tells me that the many English LAs facing bankruptcy won't be investing in new plant any time soon. Far more likely to jump on the outsourcing roller-coaster if they haven't already and pray. Good film if only to illustrate the utter uselessness of tis government at drawing up and sticking to cohesive and sensible policies.
It's awesome to see these kinds of things being built, Especially so when they reuse old ICE vehicles as opposed to using crazy amounts more energy to make entirely new vehicles from scratch. In fact I think Commercial And Government vehicles should be the Primary Target Markets of EV technology, as they do Way More mileage annually than most privately owned vehicles, with many even reaching EOL mileage levels in 5-10years or less.
Electric drive trains are perfect for vehicles with a high torque demand like trains, trucks, and busses. The only challenge are the batteries and range, but it's already enough to come around. They make public transport and recycling even cleaner.
For me this interview is a classic half job. I would have thought that there should be a good economic case for these trucks in London for example as the Major as I understand it wants to charge all diesel vehicles to use the streets. (Correct me if I am wrong). Many cities now have clean air zones in the very centre where one would have thought these lorries would make the most sense initially. Sadly I do not recall seeing any economic case - facts and figures being put forward. Cost benefit analysis. I am going to score this 5/10 I think a good journalist would have extracted these figures.
Seems crazy to put works intge line of fire moving bins to the back of lorry. Our units pickup bins from the street side without requiring people to leave the cab.
Most British streets are lined with parked cars. However I noticed that the buttons were placed so you have to step around a barrier and out the way of the bin.
The garbage must flow! But seriously, waste management is and should be a real part of the reduce, reuse, recycle system. So much trash is genuinely useful if managed properly.
If there's one thing I've learnt over the years of being involved with community climate change projects it's don't rely on funding from governments. Local or national. They'll be really keen and supportive of what you're doing right up until they aren't, at which point they drop you like a ton of bricks.
Makes so much more sense than hydrogen and as trucks tend to get repowered at least once in their lives, it an ideal scenarion for electric conversion.
Couple pros and cons I live in the valleys the batteries wouldn’t do 150 miles maybe probably a third less if not less than that, not sure if the battery packs could be swapped out so you drive back to your yard and swap out the batteries with full charged ones Also love the idea of heated seats but not cloth seat, but they will get wet and take a while to dry out take it from experience 🤭🤭
I think there is a conversion company in Australia that already has a battery swap system meaning the batteries are charged at the depot and then loaded by forklift into the truck (where the fuel tanks used to be). It means that a truck can come in and have fully charged batteries within a few minutes.
I guess these are alright, but personally, as a former garbageman, I like my trash trucks to be ground up, purpose built electric garbage transporting machines.
*Imogen, with your big excited smile, you reminded my wife & me of one of the actors in Big Train (Amelia Bullmore & others) where they were professional showjumpers but, like children, had huge smiles when allowed by a fireman to use a fire hose.*
many UK roads are barely wide enough (with parked vehicles along the curbe etc) for the bin-lorry to get down... no room to load from the side (part and parcel of having truly ancient cities and road network, etc)... also one-way systems with houses on the 'wrong' side
I just realized the British trucks don't use a single driver and have a robotic arm that does the lifting of the bin from the curb? That seems a step backward for a new truck but maybe their unions demand more "workers"?
You make a good point and having spent a lot of time in Australia, I cannot count the number of times the incredibly noisy single driver trucks woke me up from my jet lagged slumber. However, here's a thought, I have only seen the robotic arm trucks operating in Australian suburbs. Nice wide streets, people know they're coming, they put the bins out the right way around, no cars parked on the street. I was recently staying in Fitzroy in Melbourne and they had trucks pretty much exactly like the Lunaz ones because they had bins on the side of the street with cars and vans in the way, and people, and bikes and a lot of tattoos. So two blokes wheeling bins into place following the truck. That's my theory, oh, and the sooner some company converts Australian garbage trucks to electric drive, the better. :-)
Wait is it typical to have to handle the trash bins in the UK?!? In the US there is just an arm that grabs the thing and directly empties it into the back.
Smaller roads and pavements. If we put out bins by the road nobody would be able to walk on the pavement. Actually people don’t walk in the US do they so maybe that’s why.
Its rubbish that this innovative business model does not work today! And the process is straight forward as well to boot so very sad that this company does not work in the UK political system and business world. It makes so much sense in lots of ways so I hope this Phoenix can rise again from the ashes! 😥
I really haven't been able to understand this. I'm a HGV driver and trucks are ment to drive day and night that is the idea. One driver gets out and another gets in. How do u charge the truck??
Garbage trucks should have been the very first vehicles to be electrified. They do many start stops they need to be quiet and the battery can be sized for the route. So much easier than diesel
😂😂😂 Do try to be serious. What if the round is in a rural locale, with added hills? And people do a lot of shopping via Amazon. Everyone knows that Amazon is one of the biggest creators of cardboard waste in the world today. Think of the cardboard mountains jammed into black bin bags outside every farm and cottage and sanitarium. The battery would have to be bigger than the cardboard mountain payload, and need many, many, many hours to recharge. I do wish you battery hugger lads did a bit of research prior to posting. This is precisely why battery HGVs are not especially popular because of the "waste of revenue earning payload space" sort of thing taken up by a gigantic battery which might need a week to fully recharge. And I might add that battery buses are now regarded with deep suspicion in old London Town on the grounds that a reprise of 1666 was only minutes away when they were operational. Experts (such as myself) were discussing only last Tuesday that such an event would be worse than the Blitz. Raging lithium conflagrations would be melting their way through the mantle down to the core and very likely taking the Circle Line with it. I expect the District Line wouldn't get off lightly either. I kid you not.
@@t1n4444 Sigh... it's the same trash-compactor on the back as with the deisel units - there is zero difference in trash capacity. And whilst there *may* be some rural routes that can't be converted, the *vast* majority of bin-lorries operate in residential areas (because that's where the majority of the population live, and generate their rubbish). About the only thing you appear to be 'expert' in is making an idiot of yourself, based on your above post.
@@t1n4444 In the UK the refuse collection services are either run directly by the local Councils or they are contracted out by local Councils to private contractors. The current situation is that they are squeezed for cash. They are holding onto older vehicles as long as they can ... and the central government is now not pushing "so called" net-zero targets which would have required them to make the transition. Double messages from the government have cut the feet from under this company ... encouraging them and then effectively cutting their business dead.
@@eclecticcyclist It works out cheaper to repurpose a current heavy duty chassis than to make a new one that's lighter. It's about keeping cost down. Look at the Xbus for example, they are all the same under the skin but each one is different, but keeping the chassis the same cuts cost down and means no retooling needed. But yes this would be more suitable for a bigger motor home.
@@eclecticcyclist To use a different chassis will add cost as things won't fit and they'll need different tooling as well. So this lighter chassis costs more and will rust out quicker than the normal one. Plus with the current set up you overland it. Also losing the bin lorry back for a camper will make it lighter.
@@dave4803 As the company has gone into liquidation there wouldn't be any 'cheap ' production line parts anyway so you'd be looking at one off coersion so you might as well make it as cheapas possible i.e. using a lighter cassis.
"....Equivalent weight in carbon as the Eiffel Tower...." Do you mean mass rather? Carbon is 5x lighter compared to steel. That's 5 towers by volume, roughly proportional by mass. Oh I give up, who can understand mass vs weight. "It's a lot."
@@jonevansauthor Then it begs the question why poor old Imo' had to do the broadcast on what is patently not a good business model. There again Imo' and Robert probably spent some time, effort and cash making the recordings and didn't want to waste the footage. I can't see that sort of reportage reflecting too well in her CV though. But, as commented on earlier, she did get a ride on a dust cart. I had to get a job as an actual summer holiday relief job as a garbologist to get a ride on one. Mind you in them days you could whizz through Twickenham Junction standing on the back step holding on for dear life. But there again you were finished and in the pub by one o'clock latest.
In many parts of the UK the bin lorries can't always get close to the bins due to parked cars, I'm sure it's the same in parts of the US for the very simple reason that I've seen it.
We have hydrogen powered buses in California where I live. Awesome not to have to suck in diesel fumes. Our garbage trucks run on natural gas. I am all for electrification of rubbish trucks, etc. Makes total sense. It will lower air pollution. Great!
What happens to the removed Diesel engines ? Are they sold/shipped to third world countries ? So the cycle starts again and defeats what we are trying to do.
Number 1, environmental cost to the planet to make the batteries? Number 2, where's the electricity coming from to charge? First law of thermodynamics anyone..
They would be better off coming up with solutions on how to be resilient against flooding, heat stress, and high kinetic storms. Basically, how to survive, not stop, climate change. Politicians are going to do nothing about it.
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Many of you will have seen the news about Lunaz today and we were so sad to hear that the Applied Technologies side of the business is being restructured owing to the challenging market created by ambiguity for Local Authorities surrounding 2030 ICE bans. However, we chose to release the episode any way as, my word they've got an incredible mission, fantastic engineers and amazing vehicles - we wanted to share that with you too. We just hope that their efforts to rescope production timelines means they can continue making the road to net zero that much more straightforward and affordable with their upcycled bin lorries.
there is also a little more insight at around the 10 min 33 mark
What a shame.
On the upside, you got a ride in a bin lorry and at tipping the bins into it.
How about just have your Tesla fanboy correspondent in the USA review byd s fleet of ev garbage trucks. They are already a comparable price, if not far cheaper. Not sure two bit would do a fair review but who knows......
It's a respectable effort, it's just the shame the world is in a state of utter chaos unseen for many years
So frustrating that lack of policy clarity and government support make initiatives like this so difficult financially. It's clearly a hugely positive process environmentally and for jobs and health.
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Yep. I would love to have an electric rubbish truck operate my local route. Less emission in the neighbourhood!
It *is* Rishi's policy! Oil money lubricating the party's coffers, new gas power stations approved, wind turbine farms delayed, tacit support for communities complaining about the essential upgrades to the electrical power grid, solar farms being denied permission etc. Rishi's policy is "anything except the right thing".
Since when was the British government useful??
The government should be supporting this business rather than subsidising oil companies
This comment needs a stronger response than just like
The fact that the oil companies subsidise the party of government may also have something to do with it.
@@darrenaitcheson795True. True in every country in fact. The solution is to ban corporate involvement in the political system. No campaign contributions, no lobbying, no influence peddling, etc., etc. Voting and interacting with elected officials is for actual humans, not unliving corporate entities.
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@@petersimms4982 yes China have got it right, I'm assuming you only talk in flags?
Either with conversion or new, these electric garbage trucks definitely needed!!
(a) constant stop/start and full stop operation makes diesel even more inefficient and dirty toxic emissions. Moreover, they're spewing that stuff right in our faces where we live.
(b) total distance traveled (range) is small and top speed is very low
(c) Noise reduction. I've been woken by the local garbage trucks more times than I care to know.
I'd think it'd be a nicer experience for the operators, too. Less noise, less inhaled exhaust, generally smoother operation all around --- I'd think it'd be generally less stressful to work with. I'd like to hear from someone who actually uses one (either ICE or electric).
@@bewilderbeestie Good point. I know another group of workers in worse shape. Its port workers at the shipping docks. There are interviews of them saying they cannot wait for the port to electrify their trucks.
The toxic diesel emissions at ports are brutally bad. This information easily found online.
@@bewilderbeestie : Yes... especially the thoughts of someone who has experience of both.
@@beyondfossil : The big forklifts, log-handlers, various lifting equipment, etc. that are found in large numbers around ports would also be logical targets for this treatment.
@@hi-tech-guy-1823 Absolute bollocks. For a start LPG is propane and doesn't come from landfill, and secondly you statement is totally untrue. Virtually all UK bin lorries still run on diesel.
If there is ever any doubt where EV truck is needed, it’s this one. Heavy duty vehicles going around residential streets with constant stops and starting.
Prostar made electric buses, same concept, stop and start in the city. They just went bankrupt.
LOL, government encourages and government takes away due to fickle politicians.
They're bought, politicians.
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This was interesting - clearly there is a need for these vehicles to be quieter and less polluting as they drive around residential areas at 6am... it would have been good to understand how the economics work, ie how much does a new ICE bin lorry cost, how much is a new electric one, and how much are these guys charging to convert an ICE bin lorry to EV... what are the pressures on operators to switch to EV (running costs, emissions targets etc)?
I think you're underestimating how much the sound of refuse being tipped into the back of these vehicles and ground up with big rotating motors drowns out the sounds of a diesel engine at 6am in a morning. As for polluting, most diesel commercial vehicles have to abide by strict Euro 6 standards since September 2015 so pollution is minimal anyway (I think it's about 0.5g/km), probably much less than the coal/oil powered electric generators that supply the grids with increasing amounts of electricity to charge these EVs. And that's not even going into the pollution caused during the mining and manufacture of the batteries.
But aside from all that, let's get back to the video. I have a couple of other questions that could be asked alongside your own. What is the point of a 0-50mph acceleration in a vehicle that weighs up to 10 tonnes (as stated in the video) and travels around residential streets at a crawl most of the time stopping at each house on the way. For a vehicle that can carry that amount of weight and produce that amount of torque how big is the battery pack and how much of the vehicles maximum allowable gross weight is taken up by these batteries instead of the cargo they are supposed to be carrying. How much does using these battery packs to drive the large motors that grind and compress the refuse affect the vehicle's range. Can they still operate for a full day before having to return to base for charging for hours at a time? Because if they can't complete a full days work then either councils will have to purchase more of these more expensive vehicles or start letting rubbish pile up on the streets.
To be honest, EV refuge collection vehicles is almost as dumb as EV emergency vehicles, not quite as bad, but close. Less life threatening at any rate.
@@Galerak1 Well, we have electric refuse vehicles operating within Oxford and they are indescribably quieter than diesel/hydraulic equivalents. They're not upcycled ones but are ones on sale from an established manufacturer. They contribute greatly to the relative peace and quiet of Oxford town centre, which is increasingly served by electric buses too. All DPD and Royal Mail vehicles are electric too, and there's a clean air zone around the centre. Believe me, electric refuse trucks are an amazing sight to behold and not hear. Don't knock it until you've experienced it.
Oh FFS, all the evidence is already in, showing evs are far more eco friendly than ice vehicles.
Wake up dude.
And as for the rest of your anti-EV stuff... I'll politely point you to other videos on this channel that pretty much disprove all of your arguments. Time to go and find out some facts before you write lengthy articles of nonsense.
@@Galerak1minimal pollution is still infinitely higher than zero pollution and if you stand next to a large diesel engine you get polluted. Follow one around all day as the crew do and you will get seriously polluted.
We have been over this many times before. Electric motors are much more efficient than ice motors so if you put all the diesel that you would put in the tank into a generator and charge a battery it would go further. So clean air, lower cost what is not to like.
The truck can do 0-50 in 6 secs but that is not in the design spec, it comes as a bonus from an electric drive.
Electric drives are perfect for crawling around stopping and stating. The motor delivers max torque at zero revs which is what you want when starting. With a diesel you have to rev the engine and release the clutch. Fuel intensive.
Ever wondered why everybody wants electric trains and the trains with diesels are diesel-electric? .It's control and torque starting.
Fully Charged should send Imogen on a HGV driving course.
8:00 this seems so quiet in general - the garbage truck is like an alarm clock around here, the things are so loud. This alone would be such an improvement.
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The real noise round us is the glass collection. Please solve that noise too!
@@joewentworth7856 that always wakes me up, that and the bins being thrown around.
Finally! Quieter bin lorries! Please get these to the Australian market ASAP!
I'm all for quieter, more efficient EV trucks but it's interesting that despite all the modernization they still requite someone to manually connect the bin to the back. All the garbage trucks I've seen here in Oz are single operator with a robot arm lifting the bins and placing them back down.
@@johnnyonline This may be a UK thing. In Australia (where I'm based) they have articulated arms that grab the bin from the curbside. There may be requirements that dictate operators to continue to exit vehicles and connect the bin, in the UK. One reason could be the risk of environmental contamination that comes from the automation of this task - I've seen waste fly out of the bins when they are lifted into the lorry. I've also noticed that the articuled arms make a whole lot of noise too. I'm sure the UK has their reasons.
@@junior.seniorI think it is to do with having very narrow streets to manoeuvre through, &/or because many of their streets are already lined with cars, which wouldn’t work well with an Aussie type side bin grabbing arms configuration.
The waste companies are trying but they need them driving 12 hours and they need charging after 6 and then going to the tip. The hydraulics use lots of power...
@@Low760 Are you engaged with a waste or recycling service? It would be interesting to hear about the kinds of issues they are experieriencing with the new technology. I've found a company in Sydney which has an interesting work around, where they battery swap. To me, this is comparative to refueling with dinosaur juice.
Very impressive i bet it reduces driving fatigue, I was bin man for three years it loses its novelty putting bins on at the back after the first bin 😊. All seriousness it's all good wish the dust cart i was on was electric.
As someone who worked on the bins briefly several decades ago (yay temping for summer holiday jobs :p), I can say that working with modern bins appears to be near-infinitely better than manually hauling individual black sacks (especially on a hot summer morning after overnight rain...) as used to happen. Quieter and more efficient trucks would also be very welcome.
@logicalChimp Never did black bags just wheelie bins, but all the old timers banged on about it "you'd never manage on black bags" 😁 getting covered in bin juice 😖
Brilliant stuff - such a shame they're having trouble due to idiot politicians. Every utility vehicle out there needs an upgrade like this ASAP.
Can you explain your statement a bit more? What did the politicians do or not do that caused trouble?
It was unclear to me from the video what the problem was here.
This has got nothing to do with politicians. There is no legislation nor has there ever been any proposed legislation concerning the banning of commercial vehicles of this size. Nothing has changed. This company’s proposition to electrify refuse vehicles of this size is and always has been completely non viable.
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Don’t believe the narrative. They were unable to meet customer deadlines due to poor management. I mean, look how empty the building is. It’s been like that from the start
Great to see older trucks being upgraded to EV technology, however there are quite a few issues that are ignored by this.
The biggest one is that many smaller haulage firms rely on the supply of used ICE trucks as buying/leasing new (or even converting to EV) is not economically viable (I know as I am the MD of a small haulage firm). The economics don't really work, which I guess is why Lunaz are working with local authorities rather than commercial operators. Whilst the technology has to mature, there is a real danger that smaller haulage operators are squeezed out due to either a lack of supply of used vehicles, increased cost of new vehicles and the race to legislate towards zero carbon without looking at the impact on the industry. This will mean increased transport costs and a lack of choice for the consumer.
These aren't old trucks. Average fleet age is 10+ years.
Another excellent episode from Imogen. I loved the walk to camera while she listed the 11 stages in upgrading the bin wagon - very smooth as well as informative. 👏👏
Brilliant video! Great to see that some of our old trucks are being converted and put back on the road instead of being scrapped or stripped for parts. Would love to see them in action after being converted. Hopefully get to see some about at some point.
Love how quiet it is while working! The bin men and women will be here and gone without noticing.
We have had electric bin lorries for a couple of years, and you're right. Often you don't hear them. I especially enjoy it and the clean air when I cycle past one.
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From a purely professional point of view, that piece to camera as you walked along the production line at ~ 9:37 was extremely impressive! As good as anything I've ever seen on TH-cam
Very well put insert due to recent news. Very inspiring concept.
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Good to see what Fully Charged can produce when Robert is kept away from the camera - no fan boy interviews, silly sound effects or pointless rants. I can actually share this video without cringing.
Depressing that this INCREDIBLE thing is happening so well and then they shift timelines and goals. This needs to be moved earlier, not later. So happy to hear people out there doing this though. this is great to hear.
Love Imogen's wonderfully clear and precise presentation. Her diction and ability to deliver a long list of facts and hold ones interest are great. One pet peeve however, please stop adding ones to those (plural of that) and these (plural of this). Ones is completely redundant 🙂
The refuse trucks around here (Connecticut, USA) load from the side. Everything is done remotely from a single person in the driver's seat. All that is required is a similar bin to that UK version.
That would be impossible in the UK. Very few people have the ability to park their vehicle(s) on their property, meaning most people park on the road. There would be no way for a truck to access the bin on the sidewalk.
Same in Australia. One man efficient job- expect electric trucks soon.
Came here to say the same here in Australia.
As the host says, super teeny tiny roads. The notion that in Britain it would be possible everywhere to put bins perpendicular to a curb so a side loading arm can just pick them up is ludicrous. A one way street for instance with houses on both sides of the street would require either half the bins dragged across the street or the garbage truck to drive the wrong way up the street. And that is if the street has two lanes available for driving after all the parked cars.
@@geraldbutler5484 there are bits of inner cities in Australia that i doubt a side arm garbage truck can be used. Yes most of Australia and America was built to accommodate cars but bits of Australia and lots of Britain wasn’t. Getting a trck lined up down those narrow old roads that are already overcrowded with cars seems either difficult or impossible.
Dennis Eagle tested an electric bin lorry a year or two ago. Apparently the crew were finishing their round significantly quicker (like 20 or 30 minutes) due to the improved acceleration over a diesel truck!
How can they go bust???
They said their order books were FULL!!!
What happened to all their customers and contracts???
Something really stinks!!
The government changed the deadline for changing over to electric trucks so contracts got cancelled/delayed
@@garysmith5025 ...that was only for cars and small vans. Nothing affecting large HGVs was ever on the table.
A wonderful company - best of luck in the future. The world needs more of this kind of thinking. Hopefully this will be a part of a vast manoeuvre, out-flanking and pushing back against the resisters to climate change mitigation.
It's already gone into administration today. I understand there is money in new industries but its a tough one to get going.
How does it save the embedded carbon, is that because the truck would be scrapped otherwise? Great concept and product.
This is all well and good, but how fast is it in the quarter-mile?
Where’s Jack he’s not been in a video for a month?
Seems like a bit of a con with the cost of retrofitting almost being the same as buying a purpose built BEV refuse vehicle, I can see why they have gone into administration. I understand the principle of removing ICE engines permanently from the supply chain, but this neglects the fact that a lot of developing nations buy second hand stock as it is more affordable, replacing older less efficient combustion engines with second hand euro compliant trucks, emitting less pollution.
As long as it's cheaper than a new one it'll still sell. It might seem like pennypinching for one vehicle but if you've got a fleet of 20 it adds up.
Indeed I think the brand new byd garbage trucks may in fact be cheaper, quote on the lunaz cost: The conversion process currently takes 20 days per truck, with Lunaz aiming to get that down to 11 days when they hit full production speed in 2026. At nearly half a million dollars each,....byd cost seems to be 300k US but hard to find firm figures.
@@mememaster147 depending on the running costs. Diesel and engine parts don't come cheap. If a truck is off the road it's costing money
The cost of a Lunaz UEV is a fraction of that of a new equivalent, whilst also featuring various additional safety/comfort features. The ICE engines are also decommissioned on site in order to prevent the problem of pollution being continually spread within third world countries. The Mercedes Econic is tested for a million miles, however the average life span only takes these trucks to around 100,000 miles. That is an obscure figure to comprehend; that’s only a 1/10 of their full capability. How can this brilliant idea be a con when the whole purpose is to allow these trucks to reach their full life expectancy by up-cycling original components (saving the equivalent weight of the Eiffel Tower each year) whilst replacing the polluting diesel engine with an in house electric powertrain?
@@Churchy2404 the byd ones appear to beCheaper bRand new out of the box
My brother has worked in this industry down south for many years and they have trialling some Electrified wast trucks and found the after service and support services very poor, as they very little if any advice about how to charge the trucks up. Even here we heard nothing about after service care, or training or infrastructure assistance. If a company like this, which I fully supports, wants to bring this kind of solution to the market, it has to be model on the Tesla plan. These trucks need the right charger in the right place with the right training for the staff that use them, and the management that manage them. Otherwise its a very BIG expensive misake. Hope they get there restructuring right, and we get a Government that is will to support this kind of transitions. Otherwise China will win out across the board.
Hopefully they can bring in work from some of the other sectors that were mentioned but clearly a lot goes into making this the right solution. I wish them luck and good fortune.
Lunaz have retained the IP of this conversation so can start up again if they get a big enough partner 👍
The conversation of classic vehicles are not affected by this.
Conversion
A bin lorry has no need to go 0-60 in 6 seconds. No road vehicle really does. This is not a selling point and one wonders what else might have been improved if such unnecessary capabilities hadn't been in the spec.
It would be beneficial to show comparative business cases between the diesel & EV versions.
I hope they reemerge.
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Do they definitely scrap the engines or do they sell them into the second hand parts market?
Boats and ...
How unfortunate this restructuring is. I hope they'll make it and keep these trucks rolling. The silence as it works is the best thing I've heard in years!
Is the first selling point in the video literally just "We make sure that the original ICE engine of the truck gets scrapped, so that it can't be used elsewhere"?? Whatever happened to Reduce Reuse Recycle? Am I losing my mind here? I thought the widely agreed on scientific consensus was that making use of the materials/products/cars we've already produced was far better for the environment than producing new ones, even if they are more efficient. Making "we make sure a previously working engine never gets used again" one of your main selling points seems downright idiotic. Am I missing something here?
Seemed a lot of time money and investment into what is a niche vehicle which by usage doesn't need updating once in service for many years. We have 18T DAF electric trucks on test where I work and initial 6 months testing shows there is still a long way to go in development.
Can you elaborate? What needs improving on those on test?
Charge times can be erratic even with the same level of battery left ( own chargers on site ) Range can suddenly suffer for no reason leading to being recovered a couple of times which involves specialist recovery. Used for local deliveries to hospitals where noise levels matter but trust has been lost in longer distances. Turnaround times don't suit logistics for JIT. @@hrford
@@hrfordexactly. What development is needed? If by that it’s meant ‘charging infrastructure’ then yes - because governments are stupid. DNO regulations are antiquate. And quite frankly the government lack of incentives and favouring petrol and diesel is obvious. But what about the vehicles?
like what?
Time for Robert to get you on an HGV course, methinks! It’d be dead cool if you did all the HGV test drives on the channel.
Right the bin person now can watch Utube in the cab, you’ll never get them out it. But great move by any council getting these. It’s like a little girl getting to do one of her bucket list. In saying that I’ve always wanted to empty a bin too into the lorry and try driving it.
Now all those dumpster-truck-car-chase scenes from the movies will actually make sense 😂
having the limiter on there to help the driving is awesome. this is where I feel all electric should be focused on. Cause then they won't have to worry about the where do I charge - but more of how many can we charge over night when costs are less etc. Big holding facilities should also have some solar/storage to also help offset the Carbon emissions from grid. looking fwd to seeing more vehicles like this in the US especially in big cities.
2:37 Omg! Are those trucks huge or are you tiny??
This is excellent! Let’s do the same to public busses.
Electric bus company over there recently went bankrupt, and 1st electric concrete truck in Melbourne recently blew up on the freeway of its maiden voyage, should’ve been called the Titanic.
I heard they gone into administration. Goodbye Lunaz. So no new crappy EV bin lorries like the ones in Nottm.
I don't really have any interest in electric cars (apart rom the aptera) but I really love this kind of vehicle electrification ..fantastic. ..and I love immogen she has such a lovely bubbly personality. :)
Nice but side arms are way quicker but then UK's road and bin infrastructure isn't suitable.
Just curious about one thing: Why do they need four passengers? Heck, in my city, they only have one person - the driver - who controls a hydraulically activated claw that grabs the can and dumps it into the vehicle. Each stop literally takes about 10 seconds. I believe a good portion of them are even powered by natural gas.
Ha..... Try making that work in the UK.... along a narrow country lane where every bin is in a different position and there's literally only just room for the lorry on the lane.... In fact, it would work ANYWHERE I can imagine.....!!!
The crew that empty my bins in the UK is a 4 person team. They must be on a hell of a bonus scheme as they run between the bins even at 3pm in the afternoon !! It wouldn't be possible to have one person operation in my street due to cars parked on the road and very random property boundaries.
The way our bin men drive this is going to be a silent assassin. Good for the environment though.
What happens to all the bits they remove and what is the cost equivalent to a BYD refuse truck.
Something tells me that the many English LAs facing bankruptcy won't be investing in new plant any time soon. Far more likely to jump on the outsourcing roller-coaster if they haven't already and pray. Good film if only to illustrate the utter uselessness of tis government at drawing up and sticking to cohesive and sensible policies.
It's awesome to see these kinds of things being built, Especially so when they reuse old ICE vehicles as opposed to using crazy amounts more energy to make entirely new vehicles from scratch.
In fact I think Commercial And Government vehicles should be the Primary Target Markets of EV technology, as they do Way More mileage annually than most privately owned vehicles, with many even reaching EOL mileage levels in 5-10years or less.
Electric drive trains are perfect for vehicles with a high torque demand like trains, trucks, and busses. The only challenge are the batteries and range, but it's already enough to come around. They make public transport and recycling even cleaner.
For me this interview is a classic half job. I would have thought that there should be a good economic case for these trucks in London for example as the Major as I understand it wants to charge all diesel vehicles to use the streets. (Correct me if I am wrong). Many cities now have clean air zones in the very centre where one would have thought these lorries would make the most sense initially. Sadly I do not recall seeing any economic case - facts and figures being put forward. Cost benefit analysis. I am going to score this 5/10 I think a good journalist would have extracted these figures.
Seems crazy to put works intge line of fire moving bins to the back of lorry. Our units pickup bins from the street side without requiring people to leave the cab.
Most British streets are lined with parked cars. However I noticed that the buttons were placed so you have to step around a barrier and out the way of the bin.
Bin men will not need to work in a noisy , diesel fumed work place . The cameras will locate the bin men , a good safety feature.
The garbage must flow! But seriously, waste management is and should be a real part of the reduce, reuse, recycle system. So much trash is genuinely useful if managed properly.
I’ll bet you loved that seating position @imogenbhogal!
If there's one thing I've learnt over the years of being involved with community climate change projects it's don't rely on funding from governments. Local or national. They'll be really keen and supportive of what you're doing right up until they aren't, at which point they drop you like a ton of bricks.
Amazing video!! Can you make more motorbike videos? Summer is coming
Makes so much more sense than hydrogen and as trucks tend to get repowered at least once in their lives, it an ideal scenarion for electric conversion.
This is the place where governments should implement EVs first fleets, city delivery, city people transport,....😊❤ Great video
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Couple pros and cons
I live in the valleys the batteries wouldn’t do 150 miles maybe probably a third less if not less than that, not sure if the battery packs could be swapped out so you drive back to your yard and swap out the batteries with full charged ones
Also love the idea of heated seats but not cloth seat, but they will get wet and take a while to dry out take it from experience 🤭🤭
I think there is a conversion company in Australia that already has a battery swap system meaning the batteries are charged at the depot and then loaded by forklift into the truck (where the fuel tanks used to be). It means that a truck can come in and have fully charged batteries within a few minutes.
I guess these are alright, but personally, as a former garbageman, I like my trash trucks to be ground up, purpose built electric garbage transporting machines.
*Imogen, with your big excited smile, you reminded my wife & me of one of the actors in Big Train (Amelia Bullmore & others) where they were professional showjumpers but, like children, had huge smiles when allowed by a fireman to use a fire hose.*
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Why don't they load from the side, automagically like in Aus? It takes a fraction of the time, effort and risk.
many UK roads are barely wide enough (with parked vehicles along the curbe etc) for the bin-lorry to get down... no room to load from the side (part and parcel of having truly ancient cities and road network, etc)... also one-way systems with houses on the 'wrong' side
Really really cool. Can't wait for every garbage truck to be fully electric. Just makes so much sense!
I just realized the British trucks don't use a single driver and have a robotic arm that does the lifting of the bin from the curb? That seems a step backward for a new truck but maybe their unions demand more "workers"?
You make a good point and having spent a lot of time in Australia, I cannot count the number of times the incredibly noisy single driver trucks woke me up from my jet lagged slumber.
However, here's a thought, I have only seen the robotic arm trucks operating in Australian suburbs.
Nice wide streets, people know they're coming, they put the bins out the right way around, no cars parked on the street.
I was recently staying in Fitzroy in Melbourne and they had trucks pretty much exactly like the Lunaz ones because they had bins on the side of the street with cars and vans in the way, and people, and bikes and a lot of tattoos. So two blokes wheeling bins into place following the truck.
That's my theory, oh, and the sooner some company converts Australian garbage trucks to electric drive, the better. :-)
Reading the comments and yeah, I thought I heard that Lunaz were about to fold
It's a crying shame
I hope they get a funder , + I listen for our bin Lorries as they come up the road, do these ev ones have a artificial bin sound 🤣🤪🤪?
There's a business opportunity for you to dive into
They don't need a funder, just a government that doesn't change the market conditions whilst they're getting established.
Wait is it typical to have to handle the trash bins in the UK?!? In the US there is just an arm that grabs the thing and directly empties it into the back.
In my bit of Canada, bins are still randomly shaped and tipped into the back by hand. :(
Smaller roads and pavements. If we put out bins by the road nobody would be able to walk on the pavement. Actually people don’t walk in the US do they so maybe that’s why.
Great show, I wish all school buses were electric, could you tell me the brand of coat you are wearing, it looks so warm, I live in Canada.
Its rubbish that this innovative business model does not work today! And the process is straight forward as well to boot so very sad that this company does not work in the UK political system and business world. It makes so much sense in lots of ways so I hope this Phoenix can rise again from the ashes! 😥
Where are the bloppers ? I want to see the missing part at 8:07 😛
I really haven't been able to understand this. I'm a HGV driver and trucks are ment to drive day and night that is the idea. One driver gets out and another gets in. How do u charge the truck??
Rubbish trucks are not used overnight. So that’s when you charge them
Of course they are? Also they were talking about replacing Deisel engine's at 80 000 miles that makes no economic or environmental sense on any level.
Garbage trucks should have been the very first vehicles to be electrified. They do many start stops they need to be quiet and the battery can be sized for the route. So much easier than diesel
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Do try to be serious.
What if the round is in a rural locale, with added hills? And people do a lot of shopping via Amazon. Everyone knows that Amazon is one of the biggest creators of cardboard waste in the world today.
Think of the cardboard mountains jammed into black bin bags outside every farm and cottage and sanitarium.
The battery would have to be bigger than the cardboard mountain payload, and need many, many, many hours to recharge.
I do wish you battery hugger lads did a bit of research prior to posting.
This is precisely why battery HGVs are not especially popular because of the "waste of revenue earning payload space" sort of thing taken up by a gigantic battery which might need a week to fully recharge.
And I might add that battery buses are now regarded with deep suspicion in old London Town on the grounds that a reprise of 1666 was only minutes away when they were operational.
Experts (such as myself) were discussing only last Tuesday that such an event would be worse than the Blitz.
Raging lithium conflagrations would be melting their way through the mantle down to the core and very likely taking the Circle Line with it.
I expect the District Line wouldn't get off lightly either.
I kid you not.
@@t1n4444 Sigh... it's the same trash-compactor on the back as with the deisel units - there is zero difference in trash capacity. And whilst there *may* be some rural routes that can't be converted, the *vast* majority of bin-lorries operate in residential areas (because that's where the majority of the population live, and generate their rubbish).
About the only thing you appear to be 'expert' in is making an idiot of yourself, based on your above post.
Yes, ideal candidates for electrification .. and there are many already in use.
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Then it begs the question of why this outfit appears not to be thriving.
Any explanation?
@@t1n4444 In the UK the refuse collection services are either run directly by the local Councils or they are contracted out by local Councils to private contractors. The current situation is that they are squeezed for cash. They are holding onto older vehicles as long as they can ... and the central government is now not pushing "so called" net-zero targets which would have required them to make the transition. Double messages from the government have cut the feet from under this company ... encouraging them and then effectively cutting their business dead.
Imogen is carrying both channels right now - love her but why are the blokes skyvving off?
Looking for new jobs in promoting hydrogen powered vehicles perhaps?
@@t1n4444 nah probably recruited to Toyota’s PR team!
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Promoting hydrogen powered vehicles.
That looks well designed, you put a different back on it, you could even put a camper back on it.
Why would you need such a heavy duty chassis for a camper? (unless it's the huge type like the American ones or the ones F! cews use)
@@eclecticcyclist It works out cheaper to repurpose a current heavy duty chassis than to make a new one that's lighter.
It's about keeping cost down.
Look at the Xbus for example, they are all the same under the skin but each one is different, but keeping the chassis the same cuts cost down and means no retooling needed.
But yes this would be more suitable for a bigger motor home.
@@dave4803 Even cheaper tand more efficient o re use a lighter chassis matched to the use.
@@eclecticcyclist To use a different chassis will add cost as things won't fit and they'll need different tooling as well.
So this lighter chassis costs more and will rust out quicker than the normal one.
Plus with the current set up you overland it.
Also losing the bin lorry back for a camper will make it lighter.
@@dave4803 As the company has gone into liquidation there wouldn't be any 'cheap ' production line parts anyway so you'd be looking at one off coersion so you might as well make it as cheapas possible i.e. using a lighter cassis.
"....Equivalent weight in carbon as the Eiffel Tower...." Do you mean mass rather? Carbon is 5x lighter compared to steel. That's 5 towers by volume, roughly proportional by mass. Oh I give up, who can understand mass vs weight. "It's a lot."
3:10 "We don't want to give people a vehicle that's 26 tonnes that would do 0-50 in 6 seconds"
No?
Why not bring then in prebuilt from the builders?
Where’s the step on the back for the bin guy to ride on
So you wont even have to get back to the rubbish dump with a full load it will just incinerate the rubbish in transit, nice.
Welp they just went into administration
Awkward timing. :( but Fully Charged did acknowledge that in the description for the video.
Oh rough
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Then it begs the question why poor old Imo' had to do the broadcast on what is patently not a good business model.
There again Imo' and Robert probably spent some time, effort and cash making the recordings and didn't want to waste the footage.
I can't see that sort of reportage reflecting too well in her CV though.
But, as commented on earlier, she did get a ride on a dust cart.
I had to get a job as an actual summer holiday relief job as a garbologist to get a ride on one.
Mind you in them days you could whizz through Twickenham Junction standing on the back step holding on for dear life.
But there again you were finished and in the pub by one o'clock latest.
They just made my mummy redundant 😢
As an American, I don't understand why the truck didn't pick up the bin by itself. Ours do.??? The Highlander.😊
In many parts of the UK the bin lorries can't always get close to the bins due to parked cars, I'm sure it's the same in parts of the US for the very simple reason that I've seen it.
I've watched one working on my sister in laws street in Texas. In the UK our residential streets are chaotic and non uniform.
We have smaller roads and pavements. Most of the population can’t put their bins by the road without blocking the pavement.
We have hydrogen powered buses in California where I live. Awesome not to have to suck in diesel fumes. Our garbage trucks run on natural gas. I am all for electrification of rubbish trucks, etc. Makes total sense. It will lower air pollution. Great!
Beautiful presentation 😊
Around here the driver stays in the truck and the truck picks up the trash cans and empties them.
That's so very useful 0 - 80kph in 6 seconds rubbish truck, stopping every 5 metres - brilliant 😮
What happens to the removed Diesel engines ? Are they sold/shipped to third world countries ? So the cycle starts again and defeats what we are trying to do.
What does that mean? Did they stop refurbishing the lorries??????
Watching this on break sat in a bin lorry 😂. That's embarrassing bin lifts on double and not on automatic lift?
Since about 12 -15 years, the UK government has been totally crap. 😅
Dad says these battery powered garbage trucks are just that .. Rubbish !
6800 nm of torque?? The largest scania 770s has less than 4000
How many trucks did they produce before they gave up?
This what happens when central government dithers.
Number 1, environmental cost to the planet to make the batteries? Number 2, where's the electricity coming from to charge? First law of thermodynamics anyone..
Religion seems to come first...
They would be better off coming up with solutions on how to be resilient against flooding, heat stress, and high kinetic storms. Basically, how to survive, not stop, climate change. Politicians are going to do nothing about it.
They conveniently forgot to mention that they have had to apply for an exemption to the 3 axle 26 ton weight limit and run at 28 tons.
She did mention it, very quickly.
Missed that!@@aussie2uGA