You send in Clone Commandos like Delta Squad when you want them to execute your battle plans with precision and you calculated your odds down to the fourth decimal point. You send in Clone Force 99 when you want someone dead and you're willing to not ask questions how it's done.
No Clone Force 99 was called in because the seperatists predicted regular clone tactics, so they wanted to be inpredictable. Theyre a bunch of losers imo
you mean use Delta Squad when you want it quickly and precisly (so top secrat hard mission), you use the Bad Batch when you want it done quickly ( so are mission that needs be done but dosent requier the Delta Saquad or other Clone Comandos. Mission that needs to be done but nobodys cares how and when, also low class mission)
@@peabrain6872 I meant with that, that delta squad is for Secret mission that needs to be done, and in a precise way or an objective needs be done and you don't care except it needs to be done. You can deploy them almost anywhere and they atapt. Bad Batch are only for mission that needs to be done but you really don't care about how it is done or what damage is done. So for mission that needs to be done fast but still important or for normal clones impossible.
Always remember the Delta squad in Canon Tracked savage Opress without Jedi support and in the video game took on general grievous bodyguards without JEDI SUPPORT To the point where General grievous had to run away so let that sink in
And an Imperial Commando (Niner and Darman's new squadmate) killed a jedi by ducking inside his lighsaber, knifing him, then jumping back and shooting him in the face. Granted, it wasn't a very good jedi, but it also wasn't a very good commando. That guy was literally one of the worst, most inexperienced clone commandos and he was still more boss than the entirety of Clone Force 99.
@@IsItFunorNot Hahahaha I'm not the one braindead enough to think being strong means being able to withstand lightsabers. If Dooku couldn't even touch yoda with his saber, what makes you think a big, lumbering idiot like Wrecker could get his bare hands on the little green maniac?
So unpredictable hot heads who will get in fights over literally nothing and attack allies VS a tactical squad of elite commandos who have their own ways but still work together..
@Nick Fletcher. I have to disagree there. They may band together and fight as a team when needed, but they definitely don't work as commandos. Almost every single thing they did was illogical as hell and tactically inferior to even Rex and Jessie. They're literally as far from being commandos as I can imagine. It's a miracle they didn't take heavy casualties in that mission we saw in Season 7 Episode 1.
Nick Fletcher. So is assaulting one of their clone brothers because of a disagreement just labeled “unorthodox” now? Having a natural talent doesn’t make you the best, it makes it easier to be the best. And arrogance/ego is that squads downfall
Jared Devan clone commandos and null arcs have mutations too.. according to the traviss books. Seeeewww idk clone force 99 are null arcs in my opinion. Literally the first clones created
@Nick Fletcher. Commandos are not supposed to operate alone ever. They are never deployed alone, the only times they operate alone is if something has gone wrong and their squad is dead or they got split up. You may be thinking of ARCs there. As far as their mutations go, those do not make up for their lack of logic. It doesn't matter if you can smell electromagnetic pulses if you get killed charging a wall of droids like an idiot, for example.
Is it just me or should the clone wars have been a five year conflict as apposed to a three year conflict. It just feels to me that a lot has happened in three years including the creation of the Bad batch. Ik there’s the accelerated ageing but it would’ve felt better if this war was dragged out a little bit longer
Well bear in mind the whole thing was engineered by Papa Palps for the sole purpose of destroying the jedi, so it makes sense that he'd try to make sure the galaxy isn't TOO damaged by the time he took over
@@carlbrittain1993 I kept referencing those books during this. "The Commandos had uniform weapons and gear." *insert Atin's Trandosan conk rifle, the Verpine Fi used, Omega's custom black stealth armor, and the E-web Darmin hauled around*
Alex Holler I feel like this group is a discount copy of the clone commandos, and it’s a shame they were chosen to be the focus of the clone wars instead of the commandos. They’re... kinda cringe if you ask me tbh
@@violentscorl697 Agreed, but I don't have faith in Filoni's ability to do Delta Squad justice, so I'd rather deal with these cringe 'special' forces with retard tactics than see clone commandos done wrong.
Clone Commandos: everything done quickly and quietly with precision 99: done fast in any possible way and finished with every one dead Commandos: finished in a while with no one knowing 99: kills 1000 droids in about a day
@@danyilbutsenko6339 Commandos: Literally takes down a droid factory, assassinates a Separatist leader, captures an entire battleship of trandos and clankas, and successfully assaults a separatist fortified position, killing 5 of Grievous' body guards.
@@justicar77 technically that was all just Delta Squad, and even then that’s just three of their missions. Imagine how strong that makes other commandoes, The Bad Batch would get Wrecked, or should I say ‘Wrecker’d...
Gary the Metrosexual Fruitcake clone force 99 where probably the first commandos as according to the Travis’s books all commandos had mutations.. the bred arcs where human tanks a little less so than wrecker. After them came the squads, delta, beta, omega, and theta. I like to think of it this way. Look at the seal boys . They have 10 ground teams And 2 aquatic teams. CF99 , the nulls, and delta are tieir one devgru guys. Foxtrot group, alpha class, beta squad probably were the equivalent of seal teams 3, 2, 4 but cf99 in my eyes + the nulls and delta squad are the gar’s equivalent of devgru. Devgru structure is even broken down into sub categories. Green, Red, Gold Boat 1, 2, bravo, alpha. CF99 is teir one alpha while the others make up , red, gold etc
@@DJFabiconcojones Probably not since they are Clone Force *_99_* and 99 died during the Battle Of Kamino And Clone Commandos didnt have mutations (Note: Parts in Italic are from Wookieepedia) They were _clones selected for the commando program_ who _were trained by Mandalorian drill sergeants that were recruited by Fett himself to train them to become the deadliest soldiers in the Clone Army._
Fabian Rocha you and I both have the same names... if you read the republic comics the alpha bois where built like one man infiltration units . Alpha 17 was able to take on ventrsss and wound her
Clone Force 99=Sledgehammer to mix things up in a stalemate/stagnant battle. Clone Commandos= Scalpel to mess up the enemy before they even know they're under attack.
Arcs- are pretty much the punch you dont want bursting through your front door Commandos- Come in through the back door for the clean kill Clone Force 99- tactical nuke Nulls- Nuclear ICBM's (Basically the star wars version of a Warhammer 40k Eversor)
I love Tech's helmet, I just wish it looked like it could be sealed like every other clone's helmet. The gaps around his goggles and by the neck just look weird when every other clone's gear is totally closed. Clone Force 99 has its place in combat, even if they're not necessarily as efficient as a "regular" Clone Commando unit. There's probably a lot of overlap in their capabilities and the missions they'd be handy for, and while Clone Force 99 does seem to prefer going loud I don't think that means they're incapable of being stealthy. In my opinion, it would probably be preferable to use a regular Commando unit especially if you're going to be working with other regular clones or the mission needs to be pulled off in *exactly* the right way, but Clone Force 99 has greater destructive power overall so they could be more useful for destabilizing enemy forces.
aviatorEngineer but I mean, commandos don’t always go exactly by the book, they have to adapt a ton, and then, remember, Delta took back a whole Aclimator-class assault ship from Trandoshians and battle droids BY THEIR SELF. Then they held off a CIS invasion of that whole ship, and basically destroyed the CIS assault ship. So you can’t really say that commandos don’t have the same destructive power. And also Commandos went up against 2 magnaguards and made Grievous flee
@@jeremygoslin8864 Very true. I still don't think that can quite stand up to the superhuman abilities the Bad Batch has due to their unique mutations - hard to compare to a guy who can lift an LAAT barehanded - but Clone Commandos probably do deserve more credit for being able to turn up the heat when it's necessary.
99s are worse in a fight than most commando units. The main reason you use the bad batch is when you have a situation where normal clones can't get the job done, but it's not bad enough to send over commandos to do it. They are much more like ARC troopers, which are just elite soldiers.
So clone commandos will send shivers down your spine and leave you shaking in fear over their capabilities. They'll give you nightmares. They can come and go as they please and end even the tightest of operations you have running. Whereas clone force 99 will leave you standing in a rain of flames with everything exploding around you thinking "wtf was that?".
Beat Republic Commando on hard a few dozen times and you have answer to that question. Novels were amazing and I really loved Omega Squad but Delta Squad effectiveness, banter between Scorch and Sev and just everything about them makes you understand why even General Grievous made a hasty getaway when Delta Squad came for a visit.
Did Grevous actually know Delta were there? It's been a while since I played the game but I always thought he just happened to leave when they arrived, and only his magnaguards saw them, but now that I think about it, that seems wrong. Surely they weren't that famous that he knew to run from them, though, right?
@@jeremygoslin8864 Idk, cos most of their missions were 'no witnesses' type missions. If a spec-ops team is so infamous amongst the enemy forces that they are recognised simply based on their armour markings, they're doing their job wrong, imo. What I think is more likely is that Grievous saw them, sent his guards to kill them, then ran when he found out Delta had killed like five or more of his guards. Because most jedi couldn't take on even ONE magnaguard, he would have been terrified by the four clones that just killed most of his guards. Grievous has been trained to kill jedi and regular clones, but I doubt he knows how to fight special forces, especially not a squad as good as Delta.
@@JC-sr9zf does not really say but in that mission you make a holo confirmation of him being on the planet and then right after he runs away and you end up fighting the magna guards. That would've been an assassination as you have a clear line on his face and even Grievous would not survive that, hell he got taken out by blaster bolts to the chest.
I agree that Clone force are more like mercenaries. Which is why I’d go with the Commandos. I feel like the standard rank and file would look up to the commandos after hearing of their missions, actions and legends. Similar to how rangers look up to delta. I think because of their general disdain for the “regs”, clone force would be looked down upon by the clone troopers for their lack of discipline and regard for unit cohesion. But with that, it is clone forces general disregard for said, that makes them so affective. I just prefer the team mentality the Commandos put forth.
Jason Lockie id say clone force is more akin to tier 1 units as there regulations are completely different to the regular army while they are looked up too in a sense in recent years there has been a counter culture which pushes against conformity when it comes to certain rules
The nulls weren't saved by jango. They were saved and trained by Kal skirata. The alfa class arcs were trained by jango. Edit:thanks for all the likes and nice comments i have never gotten this many before
Jaumenyc thank you! When I heard that at 3:58 I was kind of annoyed. They need to brush up on their Republic Commando novels if they’re going to talk about Nulls and Commandos! Jango didn’t care if Clones lived or died. Kal Skirata has a heart
That and he kept showing Alpha 17 when talking about the Nulls. His name literally confirms he’s an Alpha ARC. Alphas were basically the in between of Nulls and Clone Commandos. Though in the Disney/TCW canon ARCs in general have been retconned to be a rank for normal clones which is disappointing.
@@bensonfang1868 Actually, Delta Squad did have a 100% success rate. And their missions were much more difficult than what we've seen from the bad batch so far. As for the 10km sniper kills, I'm pretty sure that was just an exaggeration to make crosshair sound cooler than he is. Especially considering the distance to the horizon on a planet the size of earth is only 5kms. Now that doesn't rule it out as a posibility - he'd only have to be about ten metres above ground to be able to see that extra five kilometres, but think of the logistics of taking such a long shot. The chances of finding a place to shoot from that has absolutely no obstructions for ten kilometres is extremely low. Then you have to take into account how much your aim would move just from the tiniest movement of your gun at that distance. Even if his gun has a perfect scope and perfect accuracy, and blaster bolts aren't affected by the wind or anything else, no one can take a shot like that. More to the point, there's no reason to take a shot like that. If he misses (and he will), he has now alerted the enemy, and his chance of getting another shot are even smaller than the initial shot that he missed.
In the Clone Commando book, Hard Contact, it stats that Commandos training didn't include individual training scenarios, only squad based training. Your statement about them working independently isn't accurate, that's the difference between them and ARC troopers. Clone Commando Darman mentions this difference when he is separated from the rest of his squad. Not that they cannot complete missions independently, only that their training didn't include that scenario.
@@williamenglish9416 yep, first book literally starts with a bad landing and a member having to survive mostly solo on a hostile world for several days, and it goes flawlessly
ARC troopers aren't trained separately from main clones, so they don't have that situation in their training either. They are just clones promoted to ARC trooper for being really good. This is shown in the defense of Kamino episode when CT 5555 and CT 1409 are promoted to ARC troopers.
Two points I'd like to make; it was Kal Skirata who trained the 6 null-arcs after threatening the Kaminoans and with Jango's blessing. Secondly, the fourth position in a commando unit is slicer such as Fixer from Delta squad. Though commandos could administer basic first aid, it was the commandos under Skirata who learnt more advanced battlefield medicine, "we spend so much time teaching you boys how to take bodies apart, you may as well learn a bit of how to put them back together".
It's basically a wildcard against "by-the-book" commandos. Depending on the mission 99 could come up with creative way and succeed where normal commandos wouldn't, though the results aren't exactly reliable.
However, the more out of the box commando squads like delta and omega would probably be just as unpredictable if not better than 99, and if you start comparing 99 to nulls/arcs who were more deadly on their own than most commando squads...
@@fala5764 definitely true, Delta was head and shoulders above even their peers in Omega squad, if you take Legends into account and their feats after Order 66, they would hunt Jedi. I would hardly consider Delta to be "by-the-book", they WERE the book and then some. In every mission they went above and beyond what was expected of them, they were just superior in every case that wasn't genetic.
Yeah but those Whack jobs get the job done. Regardless of how it is carried out. You really only use task force 99 if you don't care what happens but you just need something done.
They are basically mutant clone commandos. Not as efficient and trained as them but their powers kinda make up to that. Still the clone commandos would demolish them imo. Thoose guys were sent on missions were even jedi were scared to go.
@@davidj3841 Clone force 99 goes on suicide missions. The Clone commandos don't go on suicide missions. We don't know much about the Bad Batch right now but I think they could best clone commandos
@@donovan2424 I don't think you know what the clone commandos are capable of. They are swift, effective and leave no witnesses behind. Mfs are like the SaS. They aren't meant to go in with explosions miachel bay stile (altough they can and often times do that).
@@donovan2424 didn't you see Greagor go wild in the clone wars? He is a Commndo and took out a whole Platon of Battledroids on his own and survived that.
@@ryanyanik9308 what do you mean he got bodied he didn’t have his normal blaster or his anti armor attachment and by the time he got over there it was a 4v1 and he landed a few hits on tech shot Gregor twice and it took four stun shots to knock him down and then he got up in a few minutes
Maybe, but their roles are similar. Boss and Hunter are the leaders. Fixer and Tech do machines. Scorch and Wreaker like blowing stuff up. And finally Sev and Crosshairs are the snipers of the group.
Now that's interesting! So when comparing Clone Force 99 to any Earth's different nation's(mostly Superpowers) Special Forces/Special Operations Forces operators from 4 men fire teams to a company size unit, who would win? Yet I am sure many operators prefer not to fight head on, fight dirty, learn the Bad Batch's pros with cons and if possible call in support(air strikes, artillery support, quick reaction force[QRF], etc).
Peter Yim there is no comparison to any special forces on earth because not a single organization would accept a group that disobeys like that. Especially that retard wrecker. Any spec ops would win, because every spec ops has actual structure.
After watching the Bad Batch s1 I personally gravitate towards then. Also failed to mention the reflectors Crosshair uses when he wants to turn a hallway into a blender. They seem to do well against Commandos too and they did it without the need to kill them. Bad Batch all day!
I agree. The bad batch are too skilled too. They can do somersaults and flips while fighting that I’ve never seen any clones do in combat. They are extremely creative individually and together on making plans and combat on the field. They are masters in knife combat. Have a perfect mix of variety in their squad. Plus they each are enhanced.
@@Monetenbursche a lot of Commandos but only Scorch. Can’t be plot armor when the Bad Batch have canon improved modifications to be better than any natural clone.
Aidan actually we have adapted our measurements into the imperial system for example: a US gallon is smaller than an imperial gallon and both don’t live next to Germany and are bigger than Litres
I feel like the bad batch’s potential isn’t being considered. Everyone is arguing that squads such as delta and omega are very powerful and has accomplished insane missions. The thing is we don’t know all of 99’s missions. From clone wars we only know a few missions, none of their previous ones. Perhaps they never got the chance to go and shutdown a driod factory because they were preoccupied by another mission. There is only 1 clone force 99 and a ton more clone commando squads. Commandos would be practical for special missions because there were more of them and they would be available while there is only 1 clone force 99 squad.
Most likely not shown, because if they were made after the death of 99, then they only participated in 1-2 years of the war at most, while squads like delta and omega were dealing with shit since day 1, so they would have more known about them than a latecomer batch. To add on, the legends null troopers raised by Kal would probably wipe the floor with any commando squad or force 99.
Correction: Null arcs are a part of legends. Even then, it would have been great if you mentioned that it was not jango who trained them but Kal Skirata
From the way I see it is that you use commandos when you know how you want your mission accomplished, and you send in the bad batch when you have no clue but just want it to happen.
People seem to think that just because the Bad Batch are equipped with Clone Commando gear and get the Special Task Force designation that they are somehow part of the RC series of Clone Commandos. This is like saying that Green Berets equipped with Navy Seal equipment are Navy Seals. Nonsensical, though there are similarities...being clones and all. ;)
This one is tricky. Regular clone commando are reliable, cooperative and can cope with regular clones. 99 is more of a lose cannon group, despite the 100% success rate. That being said, both groups serve a niche role in the army. 99 is experimental, but it does show that focused mutations can work. you just have to be aware of the personality traits in use by the clones in question. While this does make them a lose cannon, it does make them an effective fighting force and can do the jobs that the clone commando's cannot. One thing that comes to mind is the fact the 99 don't look like regular clones. This would make them perfect for infiltration missions when their armour is not needed. They could pass for regular humans, a little eccentric, but they could pass.
Both have their place for different kind of missions. Surgical precision for sensitive tasks vs unpredictability against strategical enemy commanders. Both are powerful on their own right, but chaos can only take you so far in some scenarios and a surgical knife won't cut through bone on other occssions. Or another way of putting it: CF 99 are like trained hounds and CCommandos are trained hawks.
Personally, I like both of them respectively. The Bad Batch does their missions and makes it exciting to see because who thought that they would end up completing it. The Clone Commandos are cool but they do it in a stealthy way. Mainly, it's just about personal preference at the end of the day. If you like explosions, The Bad Batch is your favorite. If you like stealth, then it's the Clone Commandos. It's only personal preferences. I like both because I like explosions and stealth equally. It's fun.
@@taladon6420 well, cf99 isn't just unpredictable. Hunter is able to see radio waves, which becomes a wallhack if the enemy is using comms. Crosshair is one of the best shots if not the best shot in the clone army and depending on the environment tech can win you the battle straight up, depending if there is stuff to hack. And wrecker allows you an extra level of unpredictability by opening up new angles of attack or just creating an avalanche or something. The point is, cf99 just had an insane degree of versatility which commandos just dont have. But the commandos are more coordinated, disciplined and stealthy. Which is why I favor them in most missions, but favor cf99 in a straight up battle.
Clone Commandos, are far more likeable in my oppion, they seem like the function better as A whole. I get the feeling they work together to bring to the table what Jango Fett would. It was A good episode, but at the end I couldn't help but think why not just call in Delta Squad.
I didn't want to say it but the image you used in the thumbnail for the clone commando is actually the armor for the Old Republic Troopers Clone Commando armor, like with all Clone armor, takes inspiration from them but there is also a clear difference between the current and the old
@@mcoractualcustomsreviews5266 Doesnt really matter what Disney says is canon and what isnt. Games happened, they were good, they're canon. If i buy the Star Wars IP off of Disneys hands and say Tarkin and Kenobi had an intense love affair, and that Grievous was secretely trained by Yoda himself, it'd be canon by all definitions of the term. But that doesnt mean that it isnt really fucking stupid and that i have any clue of what i am doing. Removing Legends is this very thing. Its stupid and doesnt have to be accepted by anyone. Its utterly pointless to be honest, as George loved Legends. Dave Filoni is using Legends as his source material, and his work is considered canon by disney, making the removal of Legends pointless and even more stupid than it already was. Legends is canon and nobody cares otherwise.
I guess they're both equally skilled at what they do 99 would be more of a gorilla tactics unit perfect for skirmish engagements whereas Delta squad would be better for covert operations and conventional warfare tactics each has there merits but it's apples and oranges
The Clone Commandos maybe more tactical, efficient and trustworthy, but I personally prefer Clone Force 99 mainly because they’re all unique and creative, although maybe a bit reckless in their approach to battle.
I'd say the Commandos offer something that most people don't ever think about, that is redundancy, if a member of a real life special forces unit dies in action, you can usually count on someone else in the team being able to take his position, to an extent all the Clone Commandos can breach doors and set demolition charges, they can all use the sniper attachment, and probably most other pieces of kit that they are issued, so if one of them dies, the whole team doesn't fall apart. If one of the members of 99 dies though the rest of the squad becomes severely handicapped, there is a reason why such units don't really exist in real life, they are extremely vulnerable, I doubt Wrecker could do Tech's job and I'm absolutely 100% sure Tech couldn't do Wrecker's job, they are simply too different and if you rely almost entirely on being different that can be a weakness. I'd argue that Hunter's abilities are by far the most valuable considering he is quite literally a walking recon mission that's constantly gathering information about his surroundings without really having to think about it, his ability to sense things is probably what has kept the squad alive so far as you can't exactly sneak up on that, but at the end of the day he's still not above making a mistake, and if he does that might doom the whole team. Delta Squad on the other hand as many other Commando Squads coninued to function even after Sev was [redacted] and considering they walked right into a trap on the RAS Prosecutor that was pretty good going from them as well, especially when they finally manage to regroup, like they say, the Commandos are about as dangerous alone as they are together, Clone Force 99 on the other hand, not so much, they need each other's special traits. That said I love the Bad Batch, they are a wacky rag-tag collection of semi failed experiments, they are incredibly unique individuals in an army of literal clones, they are quite literally an anomaly in the GRA, it's tropey as hell for sure, but when is Star Wars ever NOT tropey?
Hunter is a Jedi. The Kaminoans hid his high midochlorian count so they didn't have to raise a clone who wouldn't have superhuman abilities. Hunter doesn't know he is a Jedi, so that is why he doesn't use a lightsaber. He can feel "Electromagnetic Fields" because he is using the force to sense stuff.
Forgot to mention commando's armor have built in bacta processing units that allowed them to heal really quickly with a normal bacta dispenser, their gauntlets have a vibroblade and their suits can vacuum seal. Also they have a way superior HUD in their helmets, and one little detail, Vode An
Any four man team of Nulls any day. Their tech out does everything the Clone Force 99 has to offer. Little too out of control in a bad way not the sheer intelligent free thinkers each Null had in different ways.
@@Astronomicon13 And the way there are trained is important. Null-ARCs have been trained in the way of the Mando`ade and the Bad Batch? Some basic stuff. The mandalorian Culture makes the Null-ARC to the hunter, everytime, every situation.
Sorry to say, but it wasn't Jango who saved and trained the null arcs, that was Kal Skirata one of Cul Duvar mandalorian mercs that Jango hired to help train the commandos. In fact Jango didn't train a single commando, he was the instructor for alpha arcs only
At 6:25 you call the armor around wreckers neck blast protection.... Thats spawl protection. Shoot a normal clone or even a Boba Fett or Din Djarin with a IRL type gun, the bullet will hit the armor and shatter into pieces, and a chest plate hit risks the pieces that fly straight up lascerating your neck, wreckers armor negates that by being shaped better to divert spawling away from his unarmored neck. This is why IRL armor against guns tends to not be straigjt metal, but ceramic plates coated in layers of kevlar and other material designed to not send out fragments, and armor designs in the middle ages even often had features designed to deflect arrows away from the neck rather than straight upwards.
While the BB called all other clones “regs,” from what we saw, a lot of this hostility is likely the result of them operating out of Kamino. Which was chuck full of shiny new clones, itching to fight, who looked down on this highly skilled Clone Commando team, because they were, in effect, defective clones. I could see them being very hostile to regs from this, especially as this likely constant harassment likely came from shinies, who had yet to leave Kamino or see any action. Imagine, if you will, a Squad of Marine Force Recon troopers, that had just returned from their 4th deployment to Afghanistan or Iraq, then going to chow in a mess hall, only for everyone there bad mouthed, insulted, berate and looked down on, by an entire mess hall of sailors, who hadn’t yet even passed basic training. How well do you think that would go over? 🤣
Sorry to revive an old comment, but I really liked the point you made. I always saw the whole "regs" thing as a sign that the Bad Batch were the pricks and the regular clones had done nothing to deserve it. Like, apparently some DEVGRU Navy SEALs call the other SEAL Teams "Vanilla SEALs" because they're not considered to be as elite, while most DEVGRU guys hate that kind of behaviour and respect everyone who has signed up to fight for their country, no matter what role they serve in, and have an even higher respect for fellow SEALs. And like, I've heard ex-SEALs talking about Marines and Army and even National Guard and they have nothing but praise and respect for their less elite counterparts in the armed forces. So I always thought Bad Batch were like those few elitists that nobody likes, and I disliked Bad Batch because of it. Your comment gave me an interesting alternative perspective though.
@@JC-sr9zf Don’t worry about necro’ing this thread, I’ve been known to do the same thing. Thank you for your response! Honestly at first I saw the whole “Regs” thing the same way, but after seeing how even troop who hadn’t seen combat treated them, I realized that they likely were looked down at even worse by clones with extensive combat experience. I mean busting chops has surely always been a part of military life, but in The Bad Batch, the regs on Kamino truly seemed to despise CF99, and we need to remember that they were raised such that, imperfect clones, except for a few used for general labor, were euthanized as defective, so obviously that Kaminian ideology has effected, and become part of the clone’s own views as well. Then add to this, the fact that Clone Force 99 actually put normal clones to shame, so that alone cause result in even experienced troopers being hostile toward them. Take care, and God I wish they would hurry up with season 2, and I REALLY hope Disney realizes that if they make longer seasons of The Bad Batch and the Mandalorian, that it will give Star Wars fans a reason to be subscribed to Disney plus for more of the year than we currently have. I mean if I was in charge, my ultimate goal would be to have a new episode, of some SW series, virtually every week of the year, since then Disney+ would be a must have subscription year round, instead of only needing it for one out of every 3-4 months or so.
Even in Legends for Delta, they also experienced the same, the "regs" of the clone army didn't always look too kindly toward the "superior training" and "deluxe model" types of the commandos. Sure, some of them revered Delta for their legendary feats throughout the Geonosian campaign, but the years that followed showed that many of the standard troopers didn't take kindly to Delta, Omega, or any of the commando units, let alone the "defective" freaks of the Bad Batch. Thankfully, most of the time the veteran soldiers remind these standard troopers of ranks, since every commando is essentially their acting commanders on the battlefield to these regs.
Point of technicality I guess, there were only 12 null arcs produced, and only 6 survived to be “born” and while the kaminoins were gonna execute them, it was Kal Skirate who saved them and trained them, the Alpha ARC’s were trained by jango and were less independent and aggressive than the Nulls
We haven't really seen the Commandos in action out of Gregor to have a comparisson but all of the Commandos grouos great used are a force to be reckoned.
@@BlackMetalVikingCustoms Oh I have played that game and they are fantastic, compared to Task Force 99 they follow aome protocols but, they are pretty much equals.
@Atreus .S And got two Jedi bodies from behind enemy lines in cannon, they are more to the book approach and work with other troopers well but, not everything goes by the book in missions.
Luis E Morales Falcon honestly, the commandos would destroy Clone Force 99. Yes 99 is cool. But commandos have that bond between them, they go by the book, but can adapt and use much more effective strategies than 99
designated field medic/sniper is one person in Commando squads. Sev for Delta and Fi for Omega. So the actual composition is Lead, Medic/Sniper, Tech, Demo
When it comes to missions that need precision and/or stealth commando squads like delta squad would be better, but if stealth and precision aren’t needed the bad batch is better
Their comparison is much like the guardians of the galaxy vs. the avengers. The avengers (Commandos) are generally more organized, but the guardians (99) sheer unpredictability and clever tactics may win the day,
Pointed this out in another channel's video but: "I'm Commander Shepard, and I approve of the use of N7 armour in Clone Force 99." But to answer your question, I would pick both. 99 Would be great at unconventional ops, while Commandos would see the main objective through. Uniformity is great in certain circumstances, but so is a little diversity.
Michael Rose but have you played the game or read the books? The commandos can be both. They can be as destructive as you want them or as stealthy as you need them. The are deadly alone, and even more so together
You got your info wrong on the null arcs it was a mando called Kal Skirata who saved\adapted\trained them. Its in the book Republic Commando: Triple Zero.
They need to make a episode based on general grievous On his past life before becoming the cyborg he is now and to end the episode like the ending of the revenge of the sith like when anakin turned into a cyborg/darth vader
@@SloodermanSloodin yea they can end the episode like they ended revenge of the sith with grievous and Palpatine Like with anakin now darth vader with Palpatine
You send in Clone Commandos like Delta Squad when you want them to execute your battle plans with precision and you calculated your odds down to the fourth decimal point. You send in Clone Force 99 when you want someone dead and you're willing to not ask questions how it's done.
Clone Force 99 is like the eversor in 40k.
Point them in the general direction of the enemy and make sure you are out of their way.
So true
Scalpel vs Kitchen Knife. Same goal, different method.
@@pandoranbias1622 Katana vs. chainsaw, more like it.
No Clone Force 99 was called in because the seperatists predicted regular clone tactics, so they wanted to be inpredictable. Theyre a bunch of losers imo
You use Delta Squad when you want it precisely, you use the Bad Batch when you want it done quickly.
you mean use Delta Squad when you want it quickly and precisly (so top secrat hard mission), you use the Bad Batch when you want it done quickly ( so are mission that needs be done but dosent requier the Delta Saquad or other Clone Comandos. Mission that needs to be done but nobodys cares how and when, also low class mission)
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@@lulu111_the_cool what are you even saying
@@peabrain6872 I meant with that, that delta squad is for Secret mission that needs to be done, and in a precise way or an objective needs be done and you don't care except it needs to be done. You can deploy them almost anywhere and they atapt.
Bad Batch are only for mission that needs to be done but you really don't care about how it is done or what damage is done. So for mission that needs to be done fast but still important or for normal clones impossible.
Always remember the Delta squad in Canon Tracked savage Opress without Jedi support and in the video game took on general grievous bodyguards without JEDI SUPPORT To the point where General grievous had to run away so let that sink in
And an Imperial Commando (Niner and Darman's new squadmate) killed a jedi by ducking inside his lighsaber, knifing him, then jumping back and shooting him in the face. Granted, it wasn't a very good jedi, but it also wasn't a very good commando. That guy was literally one of the worst, most inexperienced clone commandos and he was still more boss than the entirety of Clone Force 99.
Plus they destroyed a CIS Command ship, recaptured one of the republics all on their own too.
@@JC-sr9zf pretty sure wrecker would just pick the jedi up and crush them with one hand. Your fan boyism is showing
@@IsItFunorNot Hahahaha I'm not the one braindead enough to think being strong means being able to withstand lightsabers.
If Dooku couldn't even touch yoda with his saber, what makes you think a big, lumbering idiot like Wrecker could get his bare hands on the little green maniac?
@@JC-sr9zf yeah so what makes you think a commando would be any better?
So unpredictable hot heads who will get in fights over literally nothing and attack allies VS a tactical squad of elite commandos who have their own ways but still work together..
@Nick Fletcher. I have to disagree there. They may band together and fight as a team when needed, but they definitely don't work as commandos. Almost every single thing they did was illogical as hell and tactically inferior to even Rex and Jessie. They're literally as far from being commandos as I can imagine. It's a miracle they didn't take heavy casualties in that mission we saw in Season 7 Episode 1.
JC Garage I think I saw a video where their like a different class of commandos
Nick Fletcher. So is assaulting one of their clone brothers because of a disagreement just labeled “unorthodox” now? Having a natural talent doesn’t make you the best, it makes it easier to be the best. And arrogance/ego is that squads downfall
Jared Devan clone commandos and null arcs have mutations too.. according to the traviss books. Seeeewww idk clone force 99 are null arcs in my opinion. Literally the first clones created
@Nick Fletcher. Commandos are not supposed to operate alone ever. They are never deployed alone, the only times they operate alone is if something has gone wrong and their squad is dead or they got split up. You may be thinking of ARCs there.
As far as their mutations go, those do not make up for their lack of logic. It doesn't matter if you can smell electromagnetic pulses if you get killed charging a wall of droids like an idiot, for example.
Fett trained the null arcs? That’s an interesting way of saying Kal Skirata.
C G-K Facts
Thank you. Searched for that.
Yeah the Alpha's were trained by Jango the Null's by Skirata.
Kal Buir!
Came here to say this
Is it just me or should the clone wars have been a five year conflict as apposed to a three year conflict.
It just feels to me that a lot has happened in three years including the creation of the Bad batch. Ik there’s the accelerated ageing but it would’ve felt better if this war was dragged out a little bit longer
That is my main complaint for the clone wars show.
I mean the galactic civil war took longer than the clone wars
Connor Ciglar
Like the scale of the war is so large you’d think they’d draw it out a bit longer
@@georgebardsley7129 exactly!
Well bear in mind the whole thing was engineered by Papa Palps for the sole purpose of destroying the jedi, so it makes sense that he'd try to make sure the galaxy isn't TOO damaged by the time he took over
Don homer
Could’ve done. Maybe could’ve seen a Anakin become more militaristic and see Obi wan and Yoda be tired of the war for longer
Long Live Delta Squad !!!!
AND FUKING Omega SQUAD VODE AN!!! lol
Ner'Vod, never forget Null, Delta and Omega squad!
I was so mad when i found out they weren't gonna let Karen Traviss finish the Republic Commando series. Best series in Star Wars by far.
@@carlbrittain1993 I kept referencing those books during this.
"The Commandos had uniform weapons and gear."
*insert Atin's Trandosan conk rifle, the Verpine Fi used, Omega's custom black stealth armor, and the E-web Darmin hauled around*
@@MaitreEtherion what about domino squad or bravo squad?
Wrecker has a fear of heights yet hes the only clone that sat on the edge of a flying LAAT with his feet hanging out
I wish Clone Force 99 was a little bit more thought out
Don't worry we'll get to see a lot more of them now
Taladon they are, why do you think they got a whole show to improve upon them?
He has the mind of a six-year-old.
Maybe it was so he could get over his fear or even hide it
Me: Can we have clone commandos?
*Delta Squad
Mom: We have Clone commandos at home.
*Bad Batch
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I'd rather have Omega Squad😤 they were so bad ass one of them even knocked up a Jedi😂
Alex Holler I feel like this group is a discount copy of the clone commandos, and it’s a shame they were chosen to be the focus of the clone wars instead of the commandos.
They’re... kinda cringe if you ask me tbh
@@violentscorl697 we have the entire 7th season so who knows what will come up. I feel like they know the fan base wants then tho
@@violentscorl697 Agreed, but I don't have faith in Filoni's ability to do Delta Squad justice, so I'd rather deal with these cringe 'special' forces with retard tactics than see clone commandos done wrong.
Clone Commandos: everything done quickly and quietly with precision
99: done fast in any possible way and finished with every one dead
Commandos: finished in a while with no one knowing
99: kills 1000 droids in about a day
Commandos: Literally take out an entire battleship's worth of trandos and clankas
@@danyilbutsenko6339 Commandos: Literally takes down a droid factory, assassinates a Separatist leader, captures an entire battleship of trandos and clankas, and successfully assaults a separatist fortified position, killing 5 of Grievous' body guards.
@@justicar77 technically that was all just Delta Squad, and even then that’s just three of their missions.
Imagine how strong that makes other commandoes, The Bad Batch would get Wrecked, or should I say ‘Wrecker’d...
@@TheRegibump They have done more missions than you realize, its just not portrayed in the game.
@@Frostwolf_103 Nothing in my comment disagrees with that.
The short answer: Clone commandos
The long answer: still Clone commandos
Gary the Metrosexual Fruitcake well yes, but actually no
Well it depends on what you mean since the Clone Force 99 are a Squad of Clone Commandos
Gary the Metrosexual Fruitcake clone force 99 where probably the first commandos as according to the Travis’s books all commandos had mutations.. the bred arcs where human tanks a little less so than wrecker. After them came the squads, delta, beta, omega, and theta. I like to think of it this way. Look at the seal boys . They have 10 ground teams And 2 aquatic teams. CF99 , the nulls, and delta are tieir one devgru guys. Foxtrot group, alpha class, beta squad probably were the equivalent of seal teams 3, 2, 4 but cf99 in my eyes + the nulls and delta squad are the gar’s equivalent of devgru. Devgru structure is even broken down into sub categories. Green, Red, Gold Boat 1, 2, bravo, alpha. CF99 is teir one alpha while the others make up , red, gold etc
@@DJFabiconcojones Probably not since they are Clone Force *_99_* and 99 died during the Battle Of Kamino
And Clone Commandos didnt have mutations
(Note: Parts in Italic are from Wookieepedia)
They were _clones selected for the commando program_ who _were trained by Mandalorian drill sergeants that were recruited by Fett himself to train them to become the deadliest soldiers in the Clone Army._
Fabian Rocha you and I both have the same names... if you read the republic comics the alpha bois where built like one man infiltration units . Alpha 17 was able to take on ventrsss and wound her
Crosshair taking out the droids with the mirrors was probably my favourite scene in the whole of the clone wars series.
Wrecker: Strong, muscular, fear of heights.
So... BA Baracus?
"I ain't gettin on no plane".
I understood that reference.
Bad Patch = A-Team ? XD
Clone Force 99=Sledgehammer to mix things up in a stalemate/stagnant battle.
Clone Commandos= Scalpel to mess up the enemy before they even know they're under attack.
Valid reasoning
Do u think Tech some how found the chip in his brain and took it out and out of the rest of the bad batch's head
Most likely
That is assuming they even have the chip.
I’d be surprised if a smart clone like him never found out
Probably and hopefully
That would be so cool. Seeing them as mercenaries fighting the empire. But they do seem like they would betray the jedi anyway
Arcs- are pretty much the punch you dont want bursting through your front door
Commandos- Come in through the back door for the clean kill
Clone Force 99- tactical nuke
Nulls- Nuclear ICBM's (Basically the star wars version of a Warhammer 40k Eversor)
I love Tech's helmet, I just wish it looked like it could be sealed like every other clone's helmet. The gaps around his goggles and by the neck just look weird when every other clone's gear is totally closed.
Clone Force 99 has its place in combat, even if they're not necessarily as efficient as a "regular" Clone Commando unit. There's probably a lot of overlap in their capabilities and the missions they'd be handy for, and while Clone Force 99 does seem to prefer going loud I don't think that means they're incapable of being stealthy.
In my opinion, it would probably be preferable to use a regular Commando unit especially if you're going to be working with other regular clones or the mission needs to be pulled off in *exactly* the right way, but Clone Force 99 has greater destructive power overall so they could be more useful for destabilizing enemy forces.
aviatorEngineer but I mean, commandos don’t always go exactly by the book, they have to adapt a ton, and then, remember, Delta took back a whole Aclimator-class assault ship from Trandoshians and battle droids BY THEIR SELF. Then they held off a CIS invasion of that whole ship, and basically destroyed the CIS assault ship. So you can’t really say that commandos don’t have the same destructive power. And also Commandos went up against 2 magnaguards and made Grievous flee
@@jeremygoslin8864 Very true. I still don't think that can quite stand up to the superhuman abilities the Bad Batch has due to their unique mutations - hard to compare to a guy who can lift an LAAT barehanded - but Clone Commandos probably do deserve more credit for being able to turn up the heat when it's necessary.
99s are worse in a fight than most commando units. The main reason you use the bad batch is when you have a situation where normal clones can't get the job done, but it's not bad enough to send over commandos to do it. They are much more like ARC troopers, which are just elite soldiers.
So clone commandos will send shivers down your spine and leave you shaking in fear over their capabilities. They'll give you nightmares. They can come and go as they please and end even the tightest of operations you have running.
Whereas clone force 99 will leave you standing in a rain of flames with everything exploding around you thinking "wtf was that?".
Beat Republic Commando on hard a few dozen times and you have answer to that question. Novels were amazing and I really loved Omega Squad but Delta Squad effectiveness, banter between Scorch and Sev and just everything about them makes you understand why even General Grievous made a hasty getaway when Delta Squad came for a visit.
Did Grevous actually know Delta were there? It's been a while since I played the game but I always thought he just happened to leave when they arrived, and only his magnaguards saw them, but now that I think about it, that seems wrong. Surely they weren't that famous that he knew to run from them, though, right?
JC Garage no he saw them at least once. I remember seeing him like once. And then the guards kicked in
JC Garage I’m sure they were that infamous in the Seps and famous in the GAR
@@jeremygoslin8864 Idk, cos most of their missions were 'no witnesses' type missions. If a spec-ops team is so infamous amongst the enemy forces that they are recognised simply based on their armour markings, they're doing their job wrong, imo.
What I think is more likely is that Grievous saw them, sent his guards to kill them, then ran when he found out Delta had killed like five or more of his guards. Because most jedi couldn't take on even ONE magnaguard, he would have been terrified by the four clones that just killed most of his guards. Grievous has been trained to kill jedi and regular clones, but I doubt he knows how to fight special forces, especially not a squad as good as Delta.
@@JC-sr9zf does not really say but in that mission you make a holo confirmation of him being on the planet and then right after he runs away and you end up fighting the magna guards. That would've been an assassination as you have a clear line on his face and even Grievous would not survive that, hell he got taken out by blaster bolts to the chest.
Clone Force 99 ist basically the space version of Leonardo, Raphael, Donatello and Michelangelo
Thats actualy Delta tho, hell, even visualy they look like TMNT as clones
@@breadsqueeze27 Yeah clone force 99 are like penguins of Madagascar.
I agree that Clone force are more like mercenaries. Which is why I’d go with the Commandos. I feel like the standard rank and file would look up to the commandos after hearing of their missions, actions and legends. Similar to how rangers look up to delta.
I think because of their general disdain for the “regs”, clone force would be looked down upon by the clone troopers for their lack of discipline and regard for unit cohesion. But with that, it is clone forces general disregard for said, that makes them so affective. I just prefer the team mentality the Commandos put forth.
Aren't they both clone commandos
Jason Le How to punch a hole through logic
Jason Lockie id say clone force is more akin to tier 1 units as there regulations are completely different to the regular army while they are looked up too in a sense in recent years there has been a counter culture which pushes against conformity when it comes to certain rules
Army rangers are not standard rank and file
@@jasonle9596 The Bad Batch is classified as clone troopers, not commandos. That's why their names start with CT instead of CC.
Delta Squad: When you want precision.
Clone Force 99: When you just want the target gone.
delta squad brought a chisel and cf99 brought a nuke
Omega Squad: When you want it perfect and gone
The nulls weren't saved by jango. They were saved and trained by Kal skirata. The alfa class arcs were trained by jango.
Edit:thanks for all the likes and nice comments i have never gotten this many before
Jaumenyc thank you! When I heard that at 3:58 I was kind of annoyed. They need to brush up on their Republic Commando novels if they’re going to talk about Nulls and Commandos! Jango didn’t care if Clones lived or died. Kal Skirata has a heart
I was just about to make that comment.... It's really a waste of a good story....
@@empatheticrambo4890generation tech is a di'kut lmao but jango did help save the nulls
THANK YOU
That and he kept showing Alpha 17 when talking about the Nulls. His name literally confirms he’s an Alpha ARC. Alphas were basically the in between of Nulls and Clone Commandos. Though in the Disney/TCW canon ARCs in general have been retconned to be a rank for normal clones which is disappointing.
Death: it is time to go.
99: Was I a good clone?
Death: no.
Death: I was told you were the best.
99 was the best. My favorite clone of all!
What other clone had a squad named after him?
ANSWER NONE
Definitely clone commandos especially Delta Squad.
Spunky 1608 delta squad cannot flip over a gunship or sniff our enemies from miles away or have 100 percent success
Benson Fang Well remember they took on general grievous bodyguards
@@bensonfang1868 Actually, Delta Squad did have a 100% success rate. And their missions were much more difficult than what we've seen from the bad batch so far.
As for the 10km sniper kills, I'm pretty sure that was just an exaggeration to make crosshair sound cooler than he is. Especially considering the distance to the horizon on a planet the size of earth is only 5kms. Now that doesn't rule it out as a posibility - he'd only have to be about ten metres above ground to be able to see that extra five kilometres, but think of the logistics of taking such a long shot. The chances of finding a place to shoot from that has absolutely no obstructions for ten kilometres is extremely low. Then you have to take into account how much your aim would move just from the tiniest movement of your gun at that distance. Even if his gun has a perfect scope and perfect accuracy, and blaster bolts aren't affected by the wind or anything else, no one can take a shot like that. More to the point, there's no reason to take a shot like that. If he misses (and he will), he has now alerted the enemy, and his chance of getting another shot are even smaller than the initial shot that he missed.
@WhakapapaPlay republic commando and you will be eating your words. Magna Guards and super battle droids are scary as fuck.
Ethan Pitts i fought a magna guard and had to use ALL my ammo(grenades,sniper etc) just to take 1 down,he also took down sev and scorch in the process
In the Clone Commando book, Hard Contact, it stats that Commandos training didn't include individual training scenarios, only squad based training. Your statement about them working independently isn't accurate, that's the difference between them and ARC troopers. Clone Commando Darman mentions this difference when he is separated from the rest of his squad. Not that they cannot complete missions independently, only that their training didn't include that scenario.
Their training didn't include it, but they get individual insertions in the books and game.
@@williamenglish9416 yep, first book literally starts with a bad landing and a member having to survive mostly solo on a hostile world for several days, and it goes flawlessly
ARC troopers aren't trained separately from main clones, so they don't have that situation in their training either. They are just clones promoted to ARC trooper for being really good. This is shown in the defense of Kamino episode when CT 5555 and CT 1409 are promoted to ARC troopers.
Two points I'd like to make; it was Kal Skirata who trained the 6 null-arcs after threatening the Kaminoans and with Jango's blessing. Secondly, the fourth position in a commando unit is slicer such as Fixer from Delta squad. Though commandos could administer basic first aid, it was the commandos under Skirata who learnt more advanced battlefield medicine, "we spend so much time teaching you boys how to take bodies apart, you may as well learn a bit of how to put them back together".
It's basically a wildcard against "by-the-book" commandos. Depending on the mission 99 could come up with creative way and succeed where normal commandos wouldn't, though the results aren't exactly reliable.
However, the more out of the box commando squads like delta and omega would probably be just as unpredictable if not better than 99, and if you start comparing 99 to nulls/arcs who were more deadly on their own than most commando squads...
@@fala5764 definitely true, Delta was head and shoulders above even their peers in Omega squad, if you take Legends into account and their feats after Order 66, they would hunt Jedi. I would hardly consider Delta to be "by-the-book", they WERE the book and then some. In every mission they went above and beyond what was expected of them, they were just superior in every case that wasn't genetic.
Well trained badasses who are almost good for every situation vs unpredictable whack jobs
Edit: i have changed the way i think about clone force 99
Gibi O hard to plan against the unpredictable
sunbakedspace 94 I guess
Here let rephrase your statement. They are small fast walking tanks. That shout “watch those wrist rockets”
Yeah but those Whack jobs get the job done. Regardless of how it is carried out. You really only use task force 99 if you don't care what happens but you just need something done.
sunbakedspace 94 They aren’t very coordinated though.
That man on the thumbnail definitely skipped leg day.
See , I thought that clone force 99 were just "enhanced " clone commandos
They are basically mutant clone commandos. Not as efficient and trained as them but their powers kinda make up to that.
Still the clone commandos would demolish them imo. Thoose guys were sent on missions were even jedi were scared to go.
@@davidj3841 Clone force 99 goes on suicide missions. The Clone commandos don't go on suicide missions. We don't know much about the Bad Batch right now but I think they could best clone commandos
@@donovan2424 I don't think you know what the clone commandos are capable of. They are swift, effective and leave no witnesses behind. Mfs are like the SaS. They aren't meant to go in with explosions miachel bay stile (altough they can and often times do that).
@@donovan2424 bruh the clone commandos almost ONLY go on suicide missions
@@donovan2424 didn't you see Greagor go wild in the clone wars? He is a Commndo and took out a whole Platon of Battledroids on his own and survived that.
Fast forward to a year later, The Bad Batch go rogue, and are accompanied by Omega, the force-sensitive clone...
Oh, crosshair becomes the bad guy
Oh and scorch got bodied by the bad batch
probably not force sens
@@ryanyanik9308 what do you mean he got bodied he didn’t have his normal blaster or his anti armor attachment and by the time he got over there it was a 4v1 and he landed a few hits on tech shot Gregor twice and it took four stun shots to knock him down and then he got up in a few minutes
(10:51-10:52) Holy shit! Sev is just staring at three Jedi that are soon to die! The closest one especially...
Grim Reaper reference?
Got this in my recommended right after watching episode 14 of the bad batch.
Yeah same here lmao
They did the clone commandos dirty in that episode. Bad Batch shouldn't have gotten away as easily as they did
Delta Squad = The Bad Batch
Boss = Hunter
Fixer = Tech
Scorch = Wreaker
Sev = Crosshairs
pierce payumo the problem this is that the personalities are wrong.
Maybe, but their roles are similar. Boss and Hunter are the leaders. Fixer and Tech do machines. Scorch and Wreaker like blowing stuff up. And finally Sev and Crosshairs are the snipers of the group.
pierce payumo this is true. The squad make up is the stay, but the individuals in each squad are very different.
Well... your not wrong.
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Should definitely do a follow up video, now that we're past the 1st season of bad batch
Now that's interesting! So when comparing Clone Force 99 to any Earth's different nation's(mostly Superpowers) Special Forces/Special Operations Forces operators from 4 men fire teams to a company size unit, who would win? Yet I am sure many operators prefer not to fight head on, fight dirty, learn the Bad Batch's pros with cons and if possible call in support(air strikes, artillery support, quick reaction force[QRF], etc).
Peter Yim Depends what kind of support the 99’s have
@@bigredwolf6 ok.
Task force 99 would be sad commandos would be like SAS I guess
@@mondaysinsanity8193 they'd be like CIA special operators if they tested some super drug on them
Peter Yim there is no comparison to any special forces on earth because not a single organization would accept a group that disobeys like that. Especially that retard wrecker. Any spec ops would win, because every spec ops has actual structure.
I'd love to see them send Delta Squad after the Bad Batch, it would be a serious challenge for the Batch to overcome
Ohhh. OOOOHHHH!!! That would be epic! If they don't have villain nerf!
@@kovidcadera7522 they'd prolly have a little bit because of the chips but yeah
You mean it'd be an easy win for Delta. Delta would tear Bad Batch to shreds within seconds.
@@crazyscotsman9327 i doubt it
Please no. Delta would loose because BB are the protagonists
amazing stuff
I want a episode of the bois
Clonatan
Clonewick
And their bacta adiction.
ZANNY!
That crippling bacta addiction
oh i got it
A man of culutre like myself I see
You forgot Clonelius.
After watching the Bad Batch s1 I personally gravitate towards then. Also failed to mention the reflectors Crosshair uses when he wants to turn a hallway into a blender.
They seem to do well against Commandos too and they did it without the need to kill them. Bad Batch all day!
I agree. The bad batch are too skilled too. They can do somersaults and flips while fighting that I’ve never seen any clones do in combat. They are extremely creative individually and together on making plans and combat on the field. They are masters in knife combat. Have a perfect mix of variety in their squad. Plus they each are enhanced.
This seems to age well.
Bad batch episode 14 just has clone commando vs batch 99.
Don't forget we have scorch in bad batch from delta squad 😁
I still think that was a shit ton of Plot armour.
@@Monetenbursche still its canon now that the bad batch would crush delta squad
@@ryanyanik9308 I cant remember tho, was there only scorch or a whole commando team?
@@Monetenbursche a lot of Commandos but only Scorch.
Can’t be plot armor when the Bad Batch have canon improved modifications to be better than any natural clone.
@@nico-v113 Yeah thats prob true
It's 10 clicks(km) not miles!
I was confused at that part
When Americans STILL haven’t switched to the Metric System
@@FordStOnge No one knows why. Still using the old outdated British Imperial system
Lol...10 clicks is still over 6 miles that's an insane range to snipe at.
Aidan actually we have adapted our measurements into the imperial system for example: a US gallon is smaller than an imperial gallon and both don’t live next to Germany and are bigger than Litres
I feel like the bad batch’s potential isn’t being considered. Everyone is arguing that squads such as delta and omega are very powerful and has accomplished insane missions. The thing is we don’t know all of 99’s missions. From clone wars we only know a few missions, none of their previous ones. Perhaps they never got the chance to go and shutdown a driod factory because they were preoccupied by another mission. There is only 1 clone force 99 and a ton more clone commando squads. Commandos would be practical for special missions because there were more of them and they would be available while there is only 1 clone force 99 squad.
Most likely not shown, because if they were made after the death of 99, then they only participated in 1-2 years of the war at most, while squads like delta and omega were dealing with shit since day 1, so they would have more known about them than a latecomer batch. To add on, the legends null troopers raised by Kal would probably wipe the floor with any commando squad or force 99.
A year later and the answer has technically been answered
From a command perspective, you deploy commandos to accomplish missions and seize objectives. As for Force 99 you unleash them and hope for the best.
I really want to see them introduce a null class arc or an alpha class that doesn’t die after 6 minutes
I know right
Correction: Null arcs are a part of legends. Even then, it would have been great if you mentioned that it was not jango who trained them but Kal Skirata
The bad batch: we're a crazy unit that is always out of line and descending into complete chaos
Cadian XXth: that's real cute
From the way I see it is that you use commandos when you know how you want your mission accomplished, and you send in the bad batch when you have no clue but just want it to happen.
And now there will be a new Star Wars Series : The Bad Batch.
Can't wait for it. 2021 will be a good year too.
People seem to think that just because the Bad Batch are equipped with Clone Commando gear and get the Special Task Force designation that they are somehow part of the RC series of Clone Commandos. This is like saying that Green Berets equipped with Navy Seal equipment are Navy Seals. Nonsensical, though there are similarities...being clones and all. ;)
This one is tricky. Regular clone commando are reliable, cooperative and can cope with regular clones. 99 is more of a lose cannon group, despite the 100% success rate. That being said, both groups serve a niche role in the army. 99 is experimental, but it does show that focused mutations can work. you just have to be aware of the personality traits in use by the clones in question. While this does make them a lose cannon, it does make them an effective fighting force and can do the jobs that the clone commando's cannot.
One thing that comes to mind is the fact the 99 don't look like regular clones. This would make them perfect for infiltration missions when their armour is not needed. They could pass for regular humans, a little eccentric, but they could pass.
Both have their place for different kind of missions. Surgical precision for sensitive tasks vs unpredictability against strategical enemy commanders. Both are powerful on their own right, but chaos can only take you so far in some scenarios and a surgical knife won't cut through bone on other occssions. Or another way of putting it: CF 99 are like trained hounds and CCommandos are trained hawks.
Personally, I like both of them respectively. The Bad Batch does their missions and makes it exciting to see because who thought that they would end up completing it. The Clone Commandos are cool but they do it in a stealthy way. Mainly, it's just about personal preference at the end of the day. If you like explosions, The Bad Batch is your favorite. If you like stealth, then it's the Clone Commandos. It's only personal preferences. I like both because I like explosions and stealth equally. It's fun.
After watching bad batch show i don't think they just rely on thier superhuman abilities.
If they were in a battle I'd put my money on Clone Commandos
In a battle against one another i would go with CF99 in any regular mission besides destroying as many droids as possible i would take commando's
@@Julian-pw5mv 1 on 1 CF99 might win, but in pretty much any other case not ... being unpredictable doesn't at all mean undefeatable
@@taladon6420 well, cf99 isn't just unpredictable. Hunter is able to see radio waves, which becomes a wallhack if the enemy is using comms. Crosshair is one of the best shots if not the best shot in the clone army and depending on the environment tech can win you the battle straight up, depending if there is stuff to hack. And wrecker allows you an extra level of unpredictability by opening up new angles of attack or just creating an avalanche or something. The point is, cf99 just had an insane degree of versatility which commandos just dont have. But the commandos are more coordinated, disciplined and stealthy. Which is why I favor them in most missions, but favor cf99 in a straight up battle.
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Only if they have the high ground...
I’m not sorry
Why has like nobody watched the best dolphin suppressing youtuber??
It's a bit disappointing we never get to see Wrecker actually use a rotary cannon in the show.
Clone Commandos, are far more likeable in my oppion, they seem like the function better as A whole. I get the feeling they work together to bring to the table what Jango Fett would. It was A good episode, but at the end I couldn't help but think why not just call in Delta Squad.
Andy Fleming exactly. And they are deadly alone, together they can bring down a whole planet, alone at least a government.
I didn't want to say it but the image you used in the thumbnail for the clone commando is actually the armor for the Old Republic Troopers
Clone Commando armor, like with all Clone armor, takes inspiration from them but there is also a clear difference between the current and the old
That’s not a fair question. That’s like asking a dad who his favorite kid is.
Every father have A favorite kid. You're only kidding to yourself if you think otherwise.
Aj Anaya it depends on the person
@@ajanaya8055 yo u don't even know what you are talking about 🤣
so you mean if he likes his son ore the other kid that is not his
Y’all remember in the bad batch series where they rescued Mcgreggor and they went through clone commandos like a hot knife through butter?
Delta and Omega Squad from legends my bro. CF99 has nothing on them.
delta and omega should be canon though. I mean delta squad appeared in one episode of cw
delta is cannon wym
But they've been needed in Canon just like every other legends counterpart in Canon
@@air3832 not any of their missions from the game.
@@mcoractualcustomsreviews5266 Doesnt really matter what Disney says is canon and what isnt. Games happened, they were good, they're canon.
If i buy the Star Wars IP off of Disneys hands and say Tarkin and Kenobi had an intense love affair, and that Grievous was secretely trained by Yoda himself, it'd be canon by all definitions of the term. But that doesnt mean that it isnt really fucking stupid and that i have any clue of what i am doing.
Removing Legends is this very thing. Its stupid and doesnt have to be accepted by anyone. Its utterly pointless to be honest, as George loved Legends. Dave Filoni is using Legends as his source material, and his work is considered canon by disney, making the removal of Legends pointless and even more stupid than it already was.
Legends is canon and nobody cares otherwise.
I guess they're both equally skilled at what they do 99 would be more of a gorilla tactics unit perfect for skirmish engagements whereas Delta squad would be better for covert operations and conventional warfare tactics each has there merits but it's apples and oranges
Gorilla type tactics are Wreckers fortè
The Clone Commandos maybe more tactical, efficient and trustworthy, but I personally prefer Clone Force 99 mainly because they’re all unique and creative, although maybe a bit reckless in their approach to battle.
In the season finale of bad batch, Clone force 99 should fight against a clone commando team
All this did was make me sad that they never made a Republic Commandos sequel game... The original was EASILY my favorite game growing up!
I'd say the Commandos offer something that most people don't ever think about, that is redundancy, if a member of a real life special forces unit dies in action, you can usually count on someone else in the team being able to take his position, to an extent all the Clone Commandos can breach doors and set demolition charges, they can all use the sniper attachment, and probably most other pieces of kit that they are issued, so if one of them dies, the whole team doesn't fall apart. If one of the members of 99 dies though the rest of the squad becomes severely handicapped, there is a reason why such units don't really exist in real life, they are extremely vulnerable, I doubt Wrecker could do Tech's job and I'm absolutely 100% sure Tech couldn't do Wrecker's job, they are simply too different and if you rely almost entirely on being different that can be a weakness.
I'd argue that Hunter's abilities are by far the most valuable considering he is quite literally a walking recon mission that's constantly gathering information about his surroundings without really having to think about it, his ability to sense things is probably what has kept the squad alive so far as you can't exactly sneak up on that, but at the end of the day he's still not above making a mistake, and if he does that might doom the whole team. Delta Squad on the other hand as many other Commando Squads coninued to function even after Sev was [redacted] and considering they walked right into a trap on the RAS Prosecutor that was pretty good going from them as well, especially when they finally manage to regroup, like they say, the Commandos are about as dangerous alone as they are together, Clone Force 99 on the other hand, not so much, they need each other's special traits.
That said I love the Bad Batch, they are a wacky rag-tag collection of semi failed experiments, they are incredibly unique individuals in an army of literal clones, they are quite literally an anomaly in the GRA, it's tropey as hell for sure, but when is Star Wars ever NOT tropey?
The short answer: Clone Force 99
The long answer: Clone Force 99
If you absolutely need it done, send force 99....if you absolutely need it done in a specific way, send commandos.
Hunter is a Jedi. The Kaminoans hid his high midochlorian count so they didn't have to raise a clone who wouldn't have superhuman abilities. Hunter doesn't know he is a Jedi, so that is why he doesn't use a lightsaber. He can feel "Electromagnetic Fields" because he is using the force to sense stuff.
So hes not a jedi but just highly force sensitive, to be jedi is to follow the jedi order code/oath of which he does not
Forgot to mention commando's armor have built in bacta processing units that allowed them to heal really quickly with a normal bacta dispenser, their gauntlets have a vibroblade and their suits can vacuum seal. Also they have a way superior HUD in their helmets, and one little detail, Vode An
Better to compare the 99’s to the Null’s instead.
The Nulls would win
ohh mereel and prudii would give them hell
@@whitefrost1stgren581 Jaing and Kom'rk would too
Any four man team of Nulls any day. Their tech out does everything the Clone Force 99 has to offer. Little too out of control in a bad way not the sheer intelligent free thinkers each Null had in different ways.
@@Astronomicon13 And the way there are trained is important. Null-ARCs have been trained in the way of the Mando`ade and the Bad Batch? Some basic stuff. The mandalorian Culture makes the Null-ARC to the hunter, everytime, every situation.
Sorry to say, but it wasn't Jango who saved and trained the null arcs, that was Kal Skirata one of Cul Duvar mandalorian mercs that Jango hired to help train the commandos. In fact Jango didn't train a single commando, he was the instructor for alpha arcs only
Delta squad could probably beat force 99, but a regular squad of commandos? I don’t think so
At 6:25 you call the armor around wreckers neck blast protection....
Thats spawl protection.
Shoot a normal clone or even a Boba Fett or Din Djarin with a IRL type gun, the bullet will hit the armor and shatter into pieces, and a chest plate hit risks the pieces that fly straight up lascerating your neck, wreckers armor negates that by being shaped better to divert spawling away from his unarmored neck.
This is why IRL armor against guns tends to not be straigjt metal, but ceramic plates coated in layers of kevlar and other material designed to not send out fragments, and armor designs in the middle ages even often had features designed to deflect arrows away from the neck rather than straight upwards.
Who's here from The Bad Batch episode 14
Would love to see both teams work together
While the BB called all other clones “regs,” from what we saw, a lot of this hostility is likely the result of them operating out of Kamino. Which was chuck full of shiny new clones, itching to fight, who looked down on this highly skilled Clone Commando team, because they were, in effect, defective clones. I could see them being very hostile to regs from this, especially as this likely constant harassment likely came from shinies, who had yet to leave Kamino or see any action.
Imagine, if you will, a Squad of Marine Force Recon troopers, that had just returned from their 4th deployment to Afghanistan or Iraq, then going to chow in a mess hall, only for everyone there bad mouthed, insulted, berate and looked down on, by an entire mess hall of sailors, who hadn’t yet even passed basic training.
How well do you think that would go over? 🤣
Sorry to revive an old comment, but I really liked the point you made.
I always saw the whole "regs" thing as a sign that the Bad Batch were the pricks and the regular clones had done nothing to deserve it. Like, apparently some DEVGRU Navy SEALs call the other SEAL Teams "Vanilla SEALs" because they're not considered to be as elite, while most DEVGRU guys hate that kind of behaviour and respect everyone who has signed up to fight for their country, no matter what role they serve in, and have an even higher respect for fellow SEALs. And like, I've heard ex-SEALs talking about Marines and Army and even National Guard and they have nothing but praise and respect for their less elite counterparts in the armed forces.
So I always thought Bad Batch were like those few elitists that nobody likes, and I disliked Bad Batch because of it. Your comment gave me an interesting alternative perspective though.
@@JC-sr9zf Don’t worry about necro’ing this thread, I’ve been known to do the same thing. Thank you for your response!
Honestly at first I saw the whole “Regs” thing the same way, but after seeing how even troop who hadn’t seen combat treated them, I realized that they likely were looked down at even worse by clones with extensive combat experience. I mean busting chops has surely always been a part of military life, but in The Bad Batch, the regs on Kamino truly seemed to despise CF99, and we need to remember that they were raised such that, imperfect clones, except for a few used for general labor, were euthanized as defective, so obviously that Kaminian ideology has effected, and become part of the clone’s own views as well.
Then add to this, the fact that Clone Force 99 actually put normal clones to shame, so that alone cause result in even experienced troopers being hostile toward them.
Take care, and God I wish they would hurry up with season 2, and I REALLY hope Disney realizes that if they make longer seasons of The Bad Batch and the Mandalorian, that it will give Star Wars fans a reason to be subscribed to Disney plus for more of the year than we currently have. I mean if I was in charge, my ultimate goal would be to have a new episode, of some SW series, virtually every week of the year, since then Disney+ would be a must have subscription year round, instead of only needing it for one out of every 3-4 months or so.
I feel like this is why they grew to like captain Rex, he respected their abilities and planned his strategies accordingly
Even in Legends for Delta, they also experienced the same, the "regs" of the clone army didn't always look too kindly toward the "superior training" and "deluxe model" types of the commandos. Sure, some of them revered Delta for their legendary feats throughout the Geonosian campaign, but the years that followed showed that many of the standard troopers didn't take kindly to Delta, Omega, or any of the commando units, let alone the "defective" freaks of the Bad Batch. Thankfully, most of the time the veteran soldiers remind these standard troopers of ranks, since every commando is essentially their acting commanders on the battlefield to these regs.
If you want a show, hire clone force 99. But if you want one team to fight multiple battles for days if not a week straight; commandos are your guys
Take a shot every time he says “rank and file”
Point of technicality I guess, there were only 12 null arcs produced, and only 6 survived to be “born” and while the kaminoins were gonna execute them, it was Kal Skirate who saved them and trained them, the Alpha ARC’s were trained by jango and were less independent and aggressive than the Nulls
I think the bad batch could beat a group of four regular commandos but Delta squad in particular could probably best the bad batch
Bad Batch: Individualists
Delta Squad: Collectivists
We haven't really seen the Commandos in action out of Gregor to have a comparisson but all of the Commandos grouos great used are a force to be reckoned.
Luis E Morales Falcon play the old Xbox original game, Clone Commandos, it’s on Xbox Gamepass. You get to see how they operate first hand.
@@BlackMetalVikingCustoms Oh I have played that game and they are fantastic, compared to Task Force 99 they follow aome protocols but, they are pretty much equals.
@Atreus .S And got two Jedi bodies from behind enemy lines in cannon, they are more to the book approach and work with other troopers well but, not everything goes by the book in missions.
@Atreus .S Good point.
Luis E Morales Falcon honestly, the commandos would destroy Clone Force 99. Yes 99 is cool. But commandos have that bond between them, they go by the book, but can adapt and use much more effective strategies than 99
All i can say is we really need a republic commandos remaster
Lol this video aged well
Forgot about crosshairs blaster reflector thingy as an equipment
All I know is I would pay a bunch of money to play a game that centered around clone force 99.
Disney: "Did you say a bunch of money?"
Republic commandos
designated field medic/sniper is one person in Commando squads. Sev for Delta and Fi for Omega. So the actual composition is Lead, Medic/Sniper, Tech, Demo
Wrecker is so far my favorite among the four.
same
The best is Sev. RIP.
I hate wrecker lol
When it comes to missions that need precision and/or stealth commando squads like delta squad would be better, but if stealth and precision aren’t needed the bad batch is better
For a reincarnated Dolphin, Allen looks pretty good☝️🙂
Their comparison is much like the guardians of the galaxy vs. the avengers. The avengers (Commandos) are generally more organized, but the guardians (99) sheer unpredictability and clever tactics may win the day,
Pointed this out in another channel's video but: "I'm Commander Shepard, and I approve of the use of N7 armour in Clone Force 99."
But to answer your question, I would pick both. 99 Would be great at unconventional ops, while Commandos would see the main objective through. Uniformity is great in certain circumstances, but so is a little diversity.
Michael Rose but have you played the game or read the books? The commandos can be both. They can be as destructive as you want them or as stealthy as you need them. The are deadly alone, and even more so together
Bad Batch defeated a bunch of clone commandos while sneaking around an imperial training place when they were rescuing a clone commando
I prefer the bad batch because I love their personalities, and they are essentially super clones
You got your info wrong on the null arcs it was a mando called Kal Skirata who saved\adapted\trained them. Its in the book Republic Commando: Triple Zero.
They need to make a episode based on general grievous
On his past life before becoming the cyborg he is now and to end the episode like the ending of the revenge of the sith like when anakin turned into a cyborg/darth vader
Ryan Marquez I agree I didn’t realize until recently how big of a cult following he has people want to see that
@@SloodermanSloodin yea they can end the episode like they ended revenge of the sith with grievous and Palpatine
Like with anakin now darth vader with Palpatine
Honestly? I feel more relatable the Bad Batch approach of solving problems.