"We are to be judged by our actions not only during the best of times, but the worst of times." And this channel once again teaches me another life lesson. Thank you.
I actually emailed Karen Traviss after reading the last of her novels and finding out there would be no more. Just to let her know I appreciated her works and enjoyed her story telling. She said the official canon shifted and she wasn't informed until after she finished the 501st novel. Wish she could have continued with the story of the nulls, she wrote great stories.
The Jedi can't see the moral repulsiveness of the Clone army because to them, the conditions of the clones are normal. The Jedi are kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into a militaristic order in which they have no personal property or family and are expected to serve the republic until they die. In the words of one fish to another, "what the heck is water?"
The Jedi dont serve the Republic. They are like the Vatican, a small nation state that operates completely autonomously. Its another reason why it was so easy to convince the rest of the Republic they were traitors
The jedi weren't militarilistc, in the old Republic they were, but after defeating the sith, they got rid of their armour and became peace keepers, a thousand years later and now you have the start of the clone wars, they had to adapt and put the armour back on, which is also why they used clone trooper armour, they had none of their own
@@joelarana4216that’s mainly him being a bad tactician not him being uncaring like say Krell who was too much even for anakins 501’st and Torrent Company. Also especially bad with him, anakin being a pretty powerful Jedi and expecting his troops to be able to keep up with him and such so yeah just an issue with Jedi generals in general (heh)
Honestly, I fully understand what they did my only issue was the military tactics they were charging machine gun fire with bayonets essentially. But the republic was way to pacifistic in culture to make a military of nonclones a draft would've simply caused worlds to retaliate as they would think it to authoritative. The CIS would have doomed the galaxy to domination by forces like the Techno Union and Trade Federation. I believe the ends justify the means. If you have to do something morally questionable in order to do the right thing then do it. But if the Jedi had been competent military leaders they could have utilized the clone army in numerous ways to win the war and possibly oust Palpatine. After all, if you know halo its the same thing with Spartan 2s and that's commonly agreed to be justified. The fact is the Jedi lost and therefore they're the bad guys that's what Palpatine wanted to force them into a position in which it was easy to justify order 66 and by keeping the war so far from republic citizens in this pacifistic culture he left them with no other choice but to utilize the clone army. A smart play that worked right into his hands.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 I get what you mean about the similarities of the Spartan IIs and the clones but something seems more sad about the clones than the Spartans. Maybe its because the clones are classified as equipment and not even human or the fact that they are not rendered the same respect by their superiors as the Spartan IIs. I'm really not entirely sure what it is but I feel while their origins and reason for existence are similar, there is still a distinct difference between born to fight and focusing one who originally had no real goal into one that would benefit the whole. I dunno if what I'm saying makes much sense.
@@CptPhilippnes It's war soldiers are always seen as equipment and not human beings makes it easier to order them into situation that'll get many of them killed. It sounds cruel but it's true and topic often covered by people who come back and write on the subject. In the grand scale grunts a grunt and expandable in the eyes of his superiors.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 yeah but the main problem is that the Republic sees them as equipment meaning that the clones are denied aid that is readily accessible to the citizens. When a clone commando sustained a head injury that could have easily been treated at any Republic hospital, he was denied that because 1. He was a clone 2. Just a piece of equipment and not a person 3. Cheaper to pull the plug and replace him than bother to treat him. Why would any soldier fight for a nation that would rather euthanize you than treat you after you put your life on the line to protect them?
Before I was an avid reader, I loved Attack of the Clones, because it introduced the clones. And then I read the Republic Commando series. After that, the Clones became my favorite part of star wars. Cooler than jedi, more badass than sith, and deeply tragic. The best of humanity, created by fowl xenos. The Emperor would be proud.
i dont want to be an asshole, but could you like my coment so that allen would read it? the reason i ask that is because i belive is an important question(i know this is spamming, but is because i realy want to know the answer): hey i have an important question, please i hope you read this and answer... so, we have clone units like the 501... so... if we have a clone unit or legion or division or whatever you wanna call it that is the 501... i must belive that there are at least another 500 of them right? the question is... if i am not mistaken (tell me if i am) every jedi had like 10.000 clones under their comand right? so... if we had 500 clone divisions... that would mean a total of 5.000.000 clones... but in the start we know there were only a total of 200.000 and later they addedd 1.000.000, i kknow that by the end of the clone wars 10.000.000 clones were made... but still, since many of of died along the day, i find very unlikely to belive that there could be 501 units! so, can you explain to us how that works allen? please! (realy, please read this!) also i would like to see a top 10 of "normal" clone units, i mean, we hear that the 212 is the best, than we heat that the 21 nova corps are the best, than that the 501 is the best... everytime i keep hearing that one or another is the best clone unit... sooo, i would like for you to give us a top 10 off the best units (not counting the special troops)
joão soares I don’t meant to be another ass but you should have made a comment not a reply. But it is a good question but the thing is it’s not 200,000 soldiers, they used the word units. We don’t know the amount of clones per unit or if it’s just one clone = a unit. So a unit could be around 5 clones making the numbers much more believable. As for the other 500 legions I have no clue about that.
The clone wars tv series nailed it with going more in depth with the clones and their struggles. So many good episodes that show this: First few episodes of season six When Rex finds the clone who started a family and life of his own The training episodes. So many!
It's a shame Karen Traviss never truly finished off the story of the Republic/Imperial Commandos and clan Skirata. Yes I know she put out a synopsis for how she would have liked to have ended the story, but I would have preferred to read a full novel. Her writing and stories are what really got me back into Star Wars and completely into the Mando way of life and gave a deeper understanding to the clones and what they went through. She really pushed the fact that even though they were clones, each one was an individual. It's a shame that she and Filoni and Lucas couldn't all see eye to eye on a unified vision of how the Mandalorians should be portrayed in The Clone Wars. I will say that Filoni seemed to do a better job of introducing more Mandalorian culture into Rebels, but the damage was already done and Karen jumped ship years before. Now maybe it's just me, but if you look at the pic from the set of the new live action show The Mandalorian, you'll see the Madalorian's armour is pieced together from different parts of Mandalorian armour.... much in the same way Venku Skirata's armour was pieced together from armour from all of his clan members. I'm wondering if "The Madalorian"'s character is going to be loosely based off of Venku Skirata??
She might be okay in Star Wars, but gosh damn I can't stand Karen Travis and Greg Bear. Those two asshats alongside Nazi$oft ruined Halo lore. They did the same with Gears lore too. Fuck 'em!
@@BungieStudios Never read Karens work in Halo but how did she ruin Gears Lore? The games never really have much lore on either faction just bits and pieces per game.
@@BungieStudios I never followed her work into any other franchises. I'd seen she had written for a few other franchises, but I was only interested in her work with Star Wars. I'll admit that the way things went down between her and Lucasfilm could have gone better, but I'd heard she was being a bit stubborn too, so I don't know what to say about the whole thing without having first-hand knowledge. And all parties involved have moved long past this whole thing. I'll always love the books she did do for Star Wars, so I'm just leaving it at that 👍😉
@@Burning-Twilight She and Greg have a problem of not approaching and working off the story elements as they are. Instead, they try to twist and contort them to fit what they want. She will shit on major characters. Have others ramble on via internal thoughts. Any new characters she brings to the table, she doesn't do much to develop them. Her writing style doesn't transition well with previous novels, meaning she won't adopt elements from the previous novel before transitioning to hers so continuity feels turbulent. It's a trend among her books. They read like fanfiction. From what I've read trying to confirm my thoughts on her with Halo, Gears fans have this story about the devs collating a whole bunch of story and lore notes for her to work off, but she never even took look.
@@BungieStudios Well again I'm just going off her work on the Gears Novels and she seems to do a fairly good job with them. She really does a good job fleshing out Holfmans character and even Bernadette (who only briefly appears in the 3d game. But, who knows maybe it's just me.
@generationtech Hey Allen, when I released from the military I read Karen Traviss' Republic commando series. Fell in love with the series and story. And honestly made me the star wars nerd I am today. My heart was broken when I found out they aren't cannon any more. Very realistic views from the soldiers in the book. Very relatable to most but especially a vet tbh. I'm glad there is someone out there that shares my hate for those dirt bag Jedi. OYA!! Do more about their story!! That would be a kick ass video series!!!
Gurbumux I would put the Nulls above Bane, but I agree with you on Durge. Though to be fair he is a massive outlier, being more than 2,000 years old and to kill him Anakin had to throw him into a sun.
@@ethanworner864 Well I meant on an individual level. Working together, I'm sure the Nulls would at least find a way to disable him. Like many characters with a healing factor, Durge relies too much on his regen, which, as his fight with Anakin showed, takes a heavy toll on his stamina when he sustains heavy damage. If the Nulls focus fire on Durge and throw all of their explosives at him, I think they have a chance. One on one however, they lack the equipment, weapons and mobility to take on such a formidable opponent.
@@arthmann2 Cad Bane? he was below the Fetts, while the Nulls were enhanced versions of Fett, the NULLs were leagues above Cade bane, they had far better physique were a lot smarter, even individual Republic Commandos were at least on his level, who were less cabable than the Alphas, who in turn were topped by the NULLs. I'm not even sure if the Fetts are as capable as the Nulls, they knew how to deal with jedi, but in every other aspect they seemed to outmatched by the Nulls. Durge and Grievous are the only proment characters you mentioned, where it's ave that they could defeat the NUlls, without much problems.
@Generation Tech. If you do a video on Imperial Special Forces, I would like to point out, they have few units that are made up of Force Users. The Dark Trooper program made many Cyborgs and Droids, but the intended final product was to be a Human Bioriod Forceuser using a Power Armor that is also a Droid. Terror Troopers are also Imperial Bioroids made with Star Killers DNA that can perfectly cloak, that also use force evade, force stealth, and force teleport, all at once. Though I can no longer find the source on this, apparently the Most Elite unit of Storm Commandos are all undead, brought back by Sidious, they were allowed to use Sith artifacts that would allow them minor control of Darkside spirts that could attack people.
„The Jedi should have had reservations [about commanding a slave army]“ Thank you, Alan. It’s way too seldom someone speaks up about the disgraceful actions of the Republic and Jedi Order during the Clone Wars.
When join any military in reality though you sign a contract that gives your life to the military for [Insert # of Years Here]. So, you could say all militarizes have "slave" armies. And either way they would command a military. Beside that many clones like Rex wanted to serve so future generations in the Republic would be free. Though if they knew about the plan for the Empire then...
CT-1022 Generally though militaries are made up of volunteers. Clones were bred to serve in a war for a Republic that granted them literally less rights than animals, and if one of them decided they had enough of fighting and tried to live their own life the Republic sent special death squads after them. „There’s only one way to leave the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic): In a body bag.“ - Quote from a clone veteran. I’ll just let that quote stand there. Think what you want about it, but the Clone army _was_ a slave army and a horrible perversion used by the supposedly ‚good‘ guys. The Jedi could have refused military command. In fact, they should not have even been involved as much with the Republic politicians affairs as they were during the clone wars (many Jedi criticized the Jedi council for that practice, claiming they had lost their way and were becoming hungry for power). Of course many clones wanted to fight for the republic. They have been indoctrinated from _birth_ .
@@violentscorl697 First I thought only Kaminoans and the Empire did the death squad thing. Second, most Jedi treated clones like any other human and not the way Kaminoans did so that is a big difference. Third if the Republic had won or there was a peace agreement they would probably have helped retire the clones and switch to conscripted soldiers.
The Jedi were extremely loyal to the Republic. So they thought it would be in the Republics best interest to utilize the Clone Army. Besides the Clones the republic had no military at that time and Jedi were already less in number then they used to be.
the entire time I have watched Star Wars (all of my fifteen years of life) I hone commandos ave loved the clones more than anything. I have just started hard contact and reading about the upbringing the clones had made me long for the structure they had growing up. Instead of wishing to be a firefighter when I was little I wanted to be a soldier. And for the past few years I have loved clone commandos. thank you for the continued content about not just the Jedi but the people too
Just wanted to say two things, First, great channel with great content. Thanks... The second is something I felt I should share about this topic... The author has stated many times he had moral issue with the "slave" perspective of the clones situation, to that, I respond with this... I don't believe the clone army ever thought of themselves as slaves to the Republic. There were a few who came to that conclusion but for the most part, in my opinion the clones viewed themselves as the champions of the Republic. Rex's speech with Cutler the desserter is very telling. I believe that and several other clone interactions throughout the clone wars prove that almost all clones valued themselves, their bothers and their duty to the people they represented. They knew they could do the job better... That they were better... Would you be honoured to protect and serve if they had given you life and a noble cause? Doesn't sound like slavery.
Im an alpha arc fan boy. I loved the commic that you showed when talking about them. I have it somewhere and now I want to pull it out and read it again.
„Sorry for my horrible Mandalorian pronunciation. I’ve been trying to work on it but all I’ve really learned so far are curse words, so..“ Don’t fret, Alan! Cursing is an essential part of Mandalorian society, so it’s only natural to start with curse words, heh! (Aren’t there ,like, more words for stabbing, slicing and cursing in Mando‘a than in any other SW language?😂)
@@violentscorl697 I loved a lot of aspects of it. From the more or less lack of gender to so much of it revolving around the concept of the "hunt" (Oya) even Oya itself being so fluid as to be able to describe a desire to live. "No one cares about the father you have, only the father you'll be" is an expression I hold close to my heart and not the only mando expression I've chosen to live by.
KMCA779 Man, you put it into words perfectly! I believe it might really be possible to learn to speak the tongue, and I’d like it if we would have such a language in our world. It’s genderless, has no future or past forms and consists mostly of ellipsis and abbreviations. Perfect for our modern society. I’m happy I’m not the only one adhering to the great Mando proverbs. It doesn’t matter that it’s a fictional culture- the message applies to out world too! In that sense.. OYA!
The Republic Commando series is my all time favorite Star Wars series of books. I was so pissed when the series was dropped without a real finish. It would make an amazing live action miniseries
I think there's one point you missed that was given during the Clone Commando Books. They (Spec ops soldiers) were trained using live ammunition, against live ammunition, at the age of 2 (Genetically 5).
Always loved the Phase 1 ARC Trooper design. The interesting conundrum though was what would have happened if the Jedi had not taken up General post's of the Clone Army? I got a feeling Palpatine did plan for that as well. I bet the ARC's could also double as Generals if needed or at least the Clone Commanders we see with the Yellow Stripes could do the job.
Commandos taught mandalorian values and language tend to have a higher survival rating Omega squad: made up of surviving members from Geonosis who lost every other member of their squad Hmm
@GenerationTech I have recently been rewatching the clone wars tv series. I was wondering how in season one senator Amadala is sent into a separatist trap twice by chancelor Palpatine. How does this not raise any questions about Palpatines intentions. Episode 4 is a blatant example of this as well as episode 8 she is sent into a trap. How come no one investigates this? Sorry about the spelling and I am really curious so hopefully you can help!
He did it to push Anakin to the dark side by making him fear the loss of that he loves. No one investigating into boils down to Anakin. He as a general should've have put it together, however, Palpatine was in his head so deep he either blocked it out or never even saw it as a possibility because of Palps brainwashing. If Anakin hadn't been brainwashed into thinking Palps was a father figure and looking over him, he would've put it together. Most of the council knew something was off, Anakin was the only one that trusted him and vice verse.
Scare The Locals ! Yes this could be true for Anakin, but even looking further no one else cares that a senator was sent into a battlefield by a supreme chancellor I mean she survived why didn't she question him or bring it up to the senate.
Actually, the Nulls would be more akin to Sam Fisher or Solid Snake. They often worked alone unlike the Ghosts. The Clone Commandos would be closer to the Ghosts though.
Generation Tech I’ve been thinking about the Death Star and something’s really bothering me. Are the levels and compartments of the station organised in layers around the center (like a normal planet) or levels organised across the station horizontally (like a building). The reason it doesn’t really make sense which is which is because when the Millenium Falcon is drawn into the Death Star via tractor beam it shows the ship moving into a hangar that’s built into the side of the station, so horizontal levels. But then later on the turrets are shown jotting out vertically from the surface as well as the Emperor’s throne room jotting out as if the levels of the Death Star were arranged layered around the centre. Plz help because it’s making me really confused.
Did you coordinate the Episode with Eckheart's Ladder? His video today was on how the construction of the clone army's equipment and ships was hidden from the galaxy.
I know it would not be cannon but I really want to know what happened to Karen Travises clone commandos. She wrote amazing books. The few hints at their deaths in bloodlines was never enough for me. I want to know if Darth Vador had to get involved and end the clones and Kal himself.
u speak well and know ur stuff, i follow alota star wars geek groups, i just found mike zroh leads u astray with his words thats y i wont subscribe or watch his stuff anymore but u and others are well spoken.... love ya work buddy. go star wars geeks i love it im a 70s born kid so star wars is a religion.... darth venom!!!!!!!!!!
from what i remember the beginning of the cloning, was that Dooku placed a bounty on a jedi and many numerous bounty hunters tried to kill this jedi, but Jango Fett eliminated all other bounty hunters and took out the jedi in single, hand to hand combat. Dukoo was spying the entire time and called him to a secluded location on a lower level Courasaunt, gave him the credits and thus giving the cloning opportunity we all know now. I am missing some minor details and i apologize.
I'm curious as to how the ARC troopers really progressed. You had the 6 Nulls, the 100 Alphas who we saw in the original 2002 clone wars, and they trained guys like Rex. So then I guess Rex is the 3rd wave of ARCs and then guys like Fives, Echo, and Jesse are the 4th wave being trained under Rex? (And yes, Jesse is an ARC trooper in the bad batch arc, I never noticed till i rewatched it yesterday)
I was also reading the RC Novel Series, its an awesome piece of Work and Lucas Films actually made a good move to secretly make them Canon with the appearence of Clone Commandos in The Clone Wars even if they dont consider the Novels officially as Canon but I dont think the Novels would really clash with the Storys and Lucas Films could make them officially Canon
Off topic but I like Cutt’s kids having a T’wilek/Human messy cross up neither is completely caucasian or blue and have specks and spots of different colors on their skin
I think they mean that there is less time that the soldier needs to react, another way of saying it is increasing it to give the soldier enough time to react.
Well part of the brilliance of Sidious’s plan was that he kept the clone army hidden until the last possible moment. The Jedi and Senate didn’t have much time to think or debate the usage of clone troopers. Refusing to use the clone army would have meant they would have been overrun with battle droids. And you did have something some Jedi like Kota that didn’t lead clones into battle.
The line up on the pic in this video should be trooper, Alpha Arc then Null Arc trooper and clone commando the Null arc where the first clones to be made but where to be killed because they wouldn't obey orders
You’ve spoken in favour of Star Wars the Galacitc Empire and how great it was. If you were the head of state of a galactic spanning nation across multiple planets and star systems, how would you run it?
"We are to be judged by our actions not only during the best of times, but the worst of times."
And this channel once again teaches me another life lesson. Thank you.
does remind me of a quote from the beginning of one of the clone wars episodes...
I actually emailed Karen Traviss after reading the last of her novels and finding out there would be no more. Just to let her know I appreciated her works and enjoyed her story telling. She said the official canon shifted and she wasn't informed until after she finished the 501st novel. Wish she could have continued with the story of the nulls, she wrote great stories.
The Jedi can't see the moral repulsiveness of the Clone army because to them, the conditions of the clones are normal. The Jedi are kidnapped as children and indoctrinated into a militaristic order in which they have no personal property or family and are expected to serve the republic until they die. In the words of one fish to another, "what the heck is water?"
Kill the jetii. Every last one.
The Jedi dont serve the Republic. They are like the Vatican, a small nation state that operates completely autonomously. Its another reason why it was so easy to convince the rest of the Republic they were traitors
You guys be sounding like sith
The jedi weren't militarilistc, in the old Republic they were, but after defeating the sith, they got rid of their armour and became peace keepers, a thousand years later and now you have the start of the clone wars, they had to adapt and put the armour back on, which is also why they used clone trooper armour, they had none of their own
@@GonzoIV all you see is black and white, I exist in the grey, with the rest of the galaxy.
Kaminoan = Mad scientist dolphins. Sure, why not!?
Mad scientist nazi dolphins
@@dern1kl4us95 Why nazis? Stupid?
@@23GreyFox cuz eugenics and racial purity
@@23GreyFox Cause why not.
That’s why anakin loved his troops because he was a slave once as well
Yeah he didn’t treat them as slaves while other Jedi did
@@cyridy7028 Most of them treated them like normal beings apart form krell and a few others
Very true
He made dumb choices in battle that got them killed
@@joelarana4216that’s mainly him being a bad tactician not him being uncaring like say Krell who was too much even for anakins 501’st and Torrent Company. Also especially bad with him, anakin being a pretty powerful Jedi and expecting his troops to be able to keep up with him and such so yeah just an issue with Jedi generals in general (heh)
The Republic Commandos books made me love the clones and despise the Jedi Order and Kaminoans
Cpt.Philippines Same
Honestly, I fully understand what they did my only issue was the military tactics they were charging machine gun fire with bayonets essentially. But the republic was way to pacifistic in culture to make a military of nonclones a draft would've simply caused worlds to retaliate as they would think it to authoritative. The CIS would have doomed the galaxy to domination by forces like the Techno Union and Trade Federation. I believe the ends justify the means. If you have to do something morally questionable in order to do the right thing then do it. But if the Jedi had been competent military leaders they could have utilized the clone army in numerous ways to win the war and possibly oust Palpatine. After all, if you know halo its the same thing with Spartan 2s and that's commonly agreed to be justified. The fact is the Jedi lost and therefore they're the bad guys that's what Palpatine wanted to force them into a position in which it was easy to justify order 66 and by keeping the war so far from republic citizens in this pacifistic culture he left them with no other choice but to utilize the clone army. A smart play that worked right into his hands.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 I get what you mean about the similarities of the Spartan IIs and the clones but something seems more sad about the clones than the Spartans. Maybe its because the clones are classified as equipment and not even human or the fact that they are not rendered the same respect by their superiors as the Spartan IIs.
I'm really not entirely sure what it is but I feel while their origins and reason for existence are similar, there is still a distinct difference between born to fight and focusing one who originally had no real goal into one that would benefit the whole.
I dunno if what I'm saying makes much sense.
@@CptPhilippnes It's war soldiers are always seen as equipment and not human beings makes it easier to order them into situation that'll get many of them killed. It sounds cruel but it's true and topic often covered by people who come back and write on the subject. In the grand scale grunts a grunt and expandable in the eyes of his superiors.
@@theempiredidnothingwrong3227 yeah but the main problem is that the Republic sees them as equipment meaning that the clones are denied aid that is readily accessible to the citizens. When a clone commando sustained a head injury that could have easily been treated at any Republic hospital, he was denied that because
1. He was a clone
2. Just a piece of equipment and not a person
3. Cheaper to pull the plug and replace him than bother to treat him.
Why would any soldier fight for a nation that would rather euthanize you than treat you after you put your life on the line to protect them?
Before I was an avid reader, I loved Attack of the Clones, because it introduced the clones. And then I read the Republic Commando series. After that, the Clones became my favorite part of star wars. Cooler than jedi, more badass than sith, and deeply tragic. The best of humanity, created by fowl xenos. The Emperor would be proud.
Clones are awesome
i dont want to be an asshole, but could you like my coment so that allen would read it? the reason i ask that is because i belive is an important question(i know this is spamming, but is because i realy want to know the answer):
hey i have an important question, please i hope you read this and answer... so, we have clone units like the 501... so... if we have a clone unit or legion or division or whatever you wanna call it that is the 501... i must belive that there are at least another 500 of them right?
the question is... if i am not mistaken (tell me if i am) every jedi had like 10.000 clones under their comand right? so... if we had 500 clone divisions... that would mean a total of 5.000.000 clones... but in the start we know there were only a total of 200.000 and later they addedd 1.000.000, i kknow that by the end of the clone wars 10.000.000 clones were made... but still, since many of of died along the day, i find very unlikely to belive that there could be 501 units! so, can you explain to us how that works allen? please! (realy, please read this!)
also i would like to see a top 10 of "normal" clone units, i mean, we hear that the 212 is the best, than we heat that the 21 nova corps are the best, than that the 501 is the best... everytime i keep hearing that one or another is the best clone unit... sooo, i would like for you to give us a top 10 off the best units (not counting the special troops)
joão soares I don’t meant to be another ass but you should have made a comment not a reply.
But it is a good question but the thing is it’s not 200,000 soldiers, they used the word units. We don’t know the amount of clones per unit or if it’s just one clone = a unit. So a unit could be around 5 clones making the numbers much more believable. As for the other 500 legions I have no clue about that.
They really are to me there like mamluk warriors who beat the Mongols at Ayn Jalut. Raised to do one thing and one thing only.
Enough said
I dont like their armor
I love how Alan makes it sound like he's actually *from* whatever franchise he's talking about xD It makes the video feel more authentic lol
The clone wars tv series nailed it with going more in depth with the clones and their struggles.
So many good episodes that show this:
First few episodes of season six
When Rex finds the clone who started a family and life of his own
The training episodes.
So many!
It's a shame Karen Traviss never truly finished off the story of the Republic/Imperial Commandos and clan Skirata. Yes I know she put out a synopsis for how she would have liked to have ended the story, but I would have preferred to read a full novel. Her writing and stories are what really got me back into Star Wars and completely into the Mando way of life and gave a deeper understanding to the clones and what they went through. She really pushed the fact that even though they were clones, each one was an individual. It's a shame that she and Filoni and Lucas couldn't all see eye to eye on a unified vision of how the Mandalorians should be portrayed in The Clone Wars. I will say that Filoni seemed to do a better job of introducing more Mandalorian culture into Rebels, but the damage was already done and Karen jumped ship years before.
Now maybe it's just me, but if you look at the pic from the set of the new live action show The Mandalorian, you'll see the Madalorian's armour is pieced together from different parts of Mandalorian armour.... much in the same way Venku Skirata's armour was pieced together from armour from all of his clan members. I'm wondering if "The Madalorian"'s character is going to be loosely based off of Venku Skirata??
She might be okay in Star Wars, but gosh damn I can't stand Karen Travis and Greg Bear. Those two asshats alongside Nazi$oft ruined Halo lore. They did the same with Gears lore too. Fuck 'em!
@@BungieStudios Never read Karens work in Halo but how did she ruin Gears Lore? The games never really have much lore on either faction just bits and pieces per game.
@@BungieStudios I never followed her work into any other franchises. I'd seen she had written for a few other franchises, but I was only interested in her work with Star Wars. I'll admit that the way things went down between her and Lucasfilm could have gone better, but I'd heard she was being a bit stubborn too, so I don't know what to say about the whole thing without having first-hand knowledge. And all parties involved have moved long past this whole thing. I'll always love the books she did do for Star Wars, so I'm just leaving it at that 👍😉
@@Burning-Twilight She and Greg have a problem of not approaching and working off the story elements as they are. Instead, they try to twist and contort them to fit what they want. She will shit on major characters. Have others ramble on via internal thoughts. Any new characters she brings to the table, she doesn't do much to develop them. Her writing style doesn't transition well with previous novels, meaning she won't adopt elements from the previous novel before transitioning to hers so continuity feels turbulent. It's a trend among her books. They read like fanfiction. From what I've read trying to confirm my thoughts on her with Halo, Gears fans have this story about the devs collating a whole bunch of story and lore notes for her to work off, but she never even took look.
@@BungieStudios Well again I'm just going off her work on the Gears Novels and she seems to do a fairly good job with them. She really does a good job fleshing out Holfmans character and even Bernadette (who only briefly appears in the 3d game. But, who knows maybe it's just me.
Commandos > All others. God that Katarn armor was sexy as hell.
Imperial Navy Commandos trump all Republic special forces.
I'm keeping you away from my toaster.
You can’t stop our love Artonline! I will marry her!
Did she not tell you her secret yet?
@@lancer737 nah, i think the empire had more variety of spec ops forces but the republic had overall better ones
“An elegant weapon from a more civilized time? Well guess what. Times have changed”
-Delta 38 on lightsabers
@generationtech
Hey Allen, when I released from the military I read Karen Traviss' Republic commando series. Fell in love with the series and story. And honestly made me the star wars nerd I am today. My heart was broken when I found out they aren't cannon any more. Very realistic views from the soldiers in the book. Very relatable to most but especially a vet tbh. I'm glad there is someone out there that shares my hate for those dirt bag Jedi. OYA!!
Do more about their story!! That would be a kick ass video series!!!
Nulls Are quite possibly the best non force sensitive combatants in Star Wars.
I would still put the best bounty hunters/mercenaries (the Fetts, Cad Bane, Durge, etc) and cyborgs (Grievous) above them.
Gurbumux I would put the Nulls above Bane, but I agree with you on Durge. Though to be fair he is a massive outlier, being more than 2,000 years old and to kill him Anakin had to throw him into a sun.
@@ethanworner864 Well I meant on an individual level. Working together, I'm sure the Nulls would at least find a way to disable him. Like many characters with a healing factor, Durge relies too much on his regen, which, as his fight with Anakin showed, takes a heavy toll on his stamina when he sustains heavy damage. If the Nulls focus fire on Durge and throw all of their explosives at him, I think they have a chance. One on one however, they lack the equipment, weapons and mobility to take on such a formidable opponent.
@@arthmann2 dont forget Embo :)
@@arthmann2 Cad Bane? he was below the Fetts, while the Nulls were enhanced versions of Fett, the NULLs were leagues above Cade bane, they had far better physique were a lot smarter, even individual Republic Commandos were at least on his level, who were less cabable than the Alphas, who in turn were topped by the NULLs. I'm not even sure if the Fetts are as capable as the Nulls, they knew how to deal with jedi, but in every other aspect they seemed to outmatched by the Nulls.
Durge and Grievous are the only proment characters you mentioned, where it's ave that they could defeat the NUlls, without much problems.
@Generation Tech. If you do a video on Imperial Special Forces, I would like to point out, they have few units that are made up of Force Users.
The Dark Trooper program made many Cyborgs and Droids, but the intended final product was to be a Human Bioriod Forceuser using a Power Armor that is also a Droid.
Terror Troopers are also Imperial Bioroids made with Star Killers DNA that can perfectly cloak, that also use force evade, force stealth, and force teleport, all at once.
Though I can no longer find the source on this, apparently the Most Elite unit of Storm Commandos are all undead, brought back by Sidious, they were allowed to use Sith artifacts that would allow them minor control of Darkside spirts that could attack people.
I remember too.
@@BungieStudios You remember the undead Storm Commandos? I swear it was in the d6 rpg, but I can't find them.
Damn! I never knew about that
This was a great video. Thank you bro. I love the clone wars. Life as a clone was a hard life. RIP to the fallen clones.
REPUBLIC FOREVER!!! ETERNAL GLORY FOR THE GREAT ARMY OF THE REPUBLIC!!!!
Maks For the Republic !!
A true republic hero I salute you
„The Jedi should have had reservations [about commanding a slave army]“
Thank you, Alan.
It’s way too seldom someone speaks up about the disgraceful actions of the Republic and Jedi Order during the Clone Wars.
When join any military in reality though you sign a contract that gives your life to the military for [Insert # of Years Here]. So, you could say all militarizes have "slave" armies. And either way they would command a military. Beside that many clones like Rex wanted to serve so future generations in the Republic would be free. Though if they knew about the plan for the Empire then...
CT-1022 Generally though militaries are made up of volunteers. Clones were bred to serve in a war for a Republic that granted them literally less rights than animals, and if one of them decided they had enough of fighting and tried to live their own life the Republic sent special death squads after them.
„There’s only one way to leave the GAR (Grand Army of the Republic): In a body bag.“ - Quote from a clone veteran.
I’ll just let that quote stand there. Think what you want about it, but the Clone army _was_ a slave army and a horrible perversion used by the supposedly ‚good‘ guys.
The Jedi could have refused military command. In fact, they should not have even been involved as much with the Republic politicians affairs as they were during the clone wars (many Jedi criticized the Jedi council for that practice, claiming they had lost their way and were becoming hungry for power).
Of course many clones wanted to fight for the republic. They have been indoctrinated from _birth_ .
@@violentscorl697 First I thought only Kaminoans and the Empire did the death squad thing. Second, most Jedi treated clones like any other human and not the way Kaminoans did so that is a big difference. Third if the Republic had won or there was a peace agreement they would probably have helped retire the clones and switch to conscripted soldiers.
@@silentstorm509th9 There was a bar on Coruscant, which served as a relaxing place for the clones.
The Jedi were extremely loyal to the Republic. So they thought it would be in the Republics best interest to utilize the Clone Army. Besides the Clones the republic had no military at that time and Jedi were already less in number then they used to be.
"A Mandalorian Taco joint" as a Mexican i can see that happening lol
the entire time I have watched Star Wars (all of my fifteen years of life) I hone commandos ave loved the clones more than anything. I have just started hard contact and reading about the upbringing the clones had made me long for the structure they had growing up. Instead of wishing to be a firefighter when I was little I wanted to be a soldier. And for the past few years I have loved clone commandos. thank you for the continued content about not just the Jedi but the people too
I think being a bull trooper is probably the best since you don’t have a super high expectations from anybody. Also your armor looks badass.
#1 underrated Star Wars channel
Im Reading Triple Zero Right now 😂
Taccatovas And how are you enjoying it so far?
Taccatovas good book.
I'm on true colors now, finished triple zero the other day
Nicholas Norman The Republic Commando Books are just amazing. Clones and Mandalorians are my favorites in Star Wars.
It’s the only one of the serie I did get the opportunity to read and that sadden my heart so bad I want this book ffs
Just wanted to say two things,
First, great channel with great content. Thanks...
The second is something I felt I should share about this topic... The author has stated many times he had moral issue with the "slave" perspective of the clones situation, to that, I respond with this...
I don't believe the clone army ever thought of themselves as slaves to the Republic. There were a few who came to that conclusion but for the most part, in my opinion the clones viewed themselves as the champions of the Republic. Rex's speech with Cutler the desserter is very telling. I believe that and several other clone interactions throughout the clone wars prove that almost all clones valued themselves, their bothers and their duty to the people they represented. They knew they could do the job better... That they were better...
Would you be honoured to protect and serve if they had given you life and a noble cause? Doesn't sound like slavery.
I got halfway through the video and thought: Well, this is dark. But it's not like it could get any worse.
"The Culling"
Uh oh.
Im an alpha arc fan boy. I loved the commic that you showed when talking about them. I have it somewhere and now I want to pull it out and read it again.
„Sorry for my horrible Mandalorian pronunciation. I’ve been trying to work on it but all I’ve really learned so far are curse words, so..“
Don’t fret, Alan! Cursing is an essential part of Mandalorian society, so it’s only natural to start with curse words, heh!
(Aren’t there ,like, more words for stabbing, slicing and cursing in Mando‘a than in any other SW language?😂)
and no word for hero, only a word for not being one
zebro Hut‘uun. Yeah, Mando‘a is an amazingly versatile language.
@@violentscorl697 I loved a lot of aspects of it. From the more or less lack of gender to so much of it revolving around the concept of the "hunt" (Oya) even Oya itself being so fluid as to be able to describe a desire to live.
"No one cares about the father you have, only the father you'll be" is an expression I hold close to my heart and not the only mando expression I've chosen to live by.
KMCA779 Man, you put it into words perfectly!
I believe it might really be possible to learn to speak the tongue, and I’d like it if we would have such a language in our world. It’s genderless, has no future or past forms and consists mostly of ellipsis and abbreviations. Perfect for our modern society.
I’m happy I’m not the only one adhering to the great Mando proverbs. It doesn’t matter that it’s a fictional culture- the message applies to out world too!
In that sense..
OYA!
I appreciate your use of real terms like FID etc... and way to relate real world special operations tenants to the lore.
The Republic Commando series is my all time favorite Star Wars series of books. I was so pissed when the series was dropped without a real finish. It would make an amazing live action miniseries
Really solid video Gen tech. Loved it and very accurate. A rarity among Star Wars youtubers.
Republic Commando novels are amazing.
I think there's one point you missed that was given during the Clone Commando Books. They (Spec ops soldiers) were trained using live ammunition, against live ammunition, at the age of 2 (Genetically 5).
I would love a clone commando series
Well it can’t be as awesome or bad as the Spartan Program
Great video
How they started the Special Forces program ?
One day an autistic clone arrived. They called him special.
There you go
If autism was a problem anyone with it would be killed
You did a wonderful job on this video
Always loved the Phase 1 ARC Trooper design. The interesting conundrum though was what would have happened if the Jedi had not taken up General post's of the Clone Army? I got a feeling Palpatine did plan for that as well. I bet the ARC's could also double as Generals if needed or at least the Clone Commanders we see with the Yellow Stripes could do the job.
Keep up the great work Alan
Commandos taught mandalorian values and language tend to have a higher survival rating
Omega squad: made up of surviving members from Geonosis who lost every other member of their squad
Hmm
Sounds like the Star Wars version of the of the ORION Project from HALO
Yup definitely some similarities
Anyone here who played Star Wars Battlefront II (from 2005)
Edit) wow that’s a lot of likes!
hell you, still play it now from time to time
I do it now. More over i play BF I
sure
PS2
"Just like the simulation!"
@GenerationTech I have recently been rewatching the clone wars tv series. I was wondering how in season one senator Amadala is sent into a separatist trap twice by chancelor Palpatine. How does this not raise any questions about Palpatines intentions. Episode 4 is a blatant example of this as well as episode 8 she is sent into a trap. How come no one investigates this? Sorry about the spelling and I am really curious so hopefully you can help!
He did it to push Anakin to the dark side by making him fear the loss of that he loves. No one investigating into boils down to Anakin. He as a general should've have put it together, however, Palpatine was in his head so deep he either blocked it out or never even saw it as a possibility because of Palps brainwashing. If Anakin hadn't been brainwashed into thinking Palps was a father figure and looking over him, he would've put it together. Most of the council knew something was off, Anakin was the only one that trusted him and vice verse.
Scare The Locals ! Yes this could be true for Anakin, but even looking further no one else cares that a senator was sent into a battlefield by a supreme chancellor I mean she survived why didn't she question him or bring it up to the senate.
Kyle Wesbrook Two things man: it was a kids show, at least at first. Second, Palpatine has lots of plot armor lol
Nice hair cut Alan
Chris Games you must really like roosters
*haircut
@@ratbat1072 don't be a smart ass
So the nulls were like to Ghost Recon
Actually, the Nulls would be more akin to Sam Fisher or Solid Snake. They often worked alone unlike the Ghosts. The Clone Commandos would be closer to the Ghosts though.
LOVE THE DIFFERENT CLASSES OF TROOPER VIDEOS WOULD LIKE MORE ON THE GALACTIC CIVIL WAR ERA PLS
Nulls and alphas were my faverouite
I like your new hairstyle, it looks really good!
Clone commandos able to take out jedi?
**flashback to pre nerf commandos from bf2** yep thats about right
Seeing Allen with a fresh haircut reminds me of how badly I need one. Anyways, the one dislike is Count Dooku.
4:57
Best way to learn a language.
This reminds me of the movie "SOLDIER" with Kurt Russell. 😁😁👍
Bro, great video!
Your pronunciation of Cuy'val Dar was spot on imo. A+
Skirata on the other hand... B-
That "Skirata" about 9 minutes in the was good. A
Mandalorian taco joint? I guess that explains their prowess with jetpacks............
Dark Horse Comics covered a lot of this in their Clone Wars comics as did the novels by Karen Traviss about the Republic Commandos.
Kal Skirata and Walon Vau are absolute studs
I would love it if Karen Travis could mend relations with Lucasfilms/Disney to give us an RC series
Thank you
Generation Tech I’ve been thinking about the Death Star and something’s really bothering me. Are the levels and compartments of the station organised in layers around the center (like a normal planet) or levels organised across the station horizontally (like a building). The reason it doesn’t really make sense which is which is because when the Millenium Falcon is drawn into the Death Star via tractor beam it shows the ship moving into a hangar that’s built into the side of the station, so horizontal levels. But then later on the turrets are shown jotting out vertically from the surface as well as the Emperor’s throne room jotting out as if the levels of the Death Star were arranged layered around the centre. Plz help because it’s making me really confused.
WrightyPegz damn it now I have a headache lmao
Now that is a name I haven't heard in a very long time.
I love how a psycopath like Walon Vau could train a well functioning team like Delta squad. :)
Good job. Looking forward to more clone wars material.
Did you coordinate the Episode with Eckheart's Ladder? His video today was on how the construction of the clone army's equipment and ships was hidden from the galaxy.
How can something this awesome turn into Stormtroopers?
And yet, they are still the best fighting force in the known galaxy
I know it would not be cannon but I really want to know what happened to Karen Travises clone commandos. She wrote amazing books. The few hints at their deaths in bloodlines was never enough for me. I want to know if Darth Vador had to get involved and end the clones and Kal himself.
Another Awesome series!!👍☯️👍
u speak well and know ur stuff, i follow alota star wars geek groups, i just found mike zroh leads u astray with his words thats y i wont subscribe or watch his stuff anymore but u and others are well spoken.... love ya work buddy. go star wars geeks i love it im a 70s born kid so star wars is a religion.... darth venom!!!!!!!!!!
The Commando series is hands down my favorite set of star wars books... and i have read a shit ton of star wars books.
Something about arc trooper alpha helmets are really cool
from what i remember the beginning of the cloning, was that Dooku placed a bounty on a jedi and many numerous bounty hunters tried to kill this jedi, but Jango Fett eliminated all other bounty hunters and took out the jedi in single, hand to hand combat. Dukoo was spying the entire time and called him to a secluded location on a lower level Courasaunt, gave him the credits and thus giving the cloning opportunity we all know now. I am missing some minor details and i apologize.
I'm curious as to how the ARC troopers really progressed. You had the 6 Nulls, the 100 Alphas who we saw in the original 2002 clone wars, and they trained guys like Rex. So then I guess Rex is the 3rd wave of ARCs and then guys like Fives, Echo, and Jesse are the 4th wave being trained under Rex? (And yes, Jesse is an ARC trooper in the bad batch arc, I never noticed till i rewatched it yesterday)
My favorite era in history.. so huge.
Could you maybe talk about Clone Shadow Troopers?
Can u do a video on the null class that u have in the thumbnail please?
AH, FRIENDS!
I was also reading the RC Novel Series, its an awesome piece of Work and Lucas Films actually made a good move to secretly make them Canon with the appearence of Clone Commandos in The Clone Wars even if they dont consider the Novels officially as Canon but I dont think the Novels would really clash with the Storys and Lucas Films could make them officially Canon
Which game is it where you play or see from a growing clone like at 6:53
Republic commando
WOW HAIRCUT IT LOOKS GOOD
Off topic but I like Cutt’s kids having a T’wilek/Human messy cross up neither is completely caucasian or blue and have specks and spots of different colors on their skin
2:06 Did that other Jedi (not Windu) just shrug off that explosion?
Remember George that worked for Borkus? That shit hit me hard.
I like the Null-class more. It kinda grew on me ever since I reread SWRC True Colors novel xD
Thank god the Nulls got a lil spotlight
Clones are iconic.
Wait, why would you decrease reaction time of a soldier?
Better reflexes especially in dangerous situations is one example.
I think they mean that there is less time that the soldier needs to react, another way of saying it is increasing it to give the soldier enough time to react.
you are awesome at what you do, can you explain in simple language what Darth Sidious' plan was? its kinda confusing since it was multilayered.
Were is 4:30 from?!
More please
Really hope you do a video about Delta Squad
What happened to the eleven super star destroyers after the battle of Endor including the eclipse super star destroyer
Isn't Syfo Dias the one who commissioned the Clone army?
This is the way
Well part of the brilliance of Sidious’s plan was that he kept the clone army hidden until the last possible moment. The Jedi and Senate didn’t have much time to think or debate the usage of clone troopers. Refusing to use the clone army would have meant they would have been overrun with battle droids. And you did have something some Jedi like Kota that didn’t lead clones into battle.
He's not cannon anymore i think
The line up on the pic in this video should be trooper, Alpha Arc then Null Arc trooper and clone commando the Null arc where the first clones to be made but where to be killed because they wouldn't obey orders
6:56
Good to know that clones weren't neutered 😅
You’ve spoken in favour of Star Wars the Galacitc Empire and how great it was. If you were the head of state of a galactic spanning nation across multiple planets and star systems, how would you run it?
Love your vids is the next one on the droid army
What were the bad batch?
I got a question can block stuns from blasters just something thats been itching my brain