Imagine a nation where everyone had a 2 acre plot and are able to grow their own produce, and sell it in the open market. There would be no need to depend on government, but only for our security. Brilliant!
@@johnweber4577 It also sounds like a big lie given that Jefferson's slaves did all the work. Enslaving humans was how the plantation owners of the South prospered. Most people prefer a beautiful lie to the ugly truth.
Jefferson is another historical figure that fascinates me. I'm a native Virginian and I've always enjoyed my visits to Jeffersons Monticello. Jeffersons love of books, agriculture, and architecture have always impressed and inspired me!
Martin Townes I have yet to visit Monticello, but I'm looking forward to bringing my daughter there one day - waiting for the next time Clemson plays football at UVA so we can kill two birds wtih one stone!
I wonder what the US and Europe would look like today had this vision been a reality. What a symbiotic relationship the two might have had; America the libertarian nation of small, independent farmers exporting masses of raw resources to Europe, which in turn is this huge urban, densely populated manufacturing powerhouse. I think the two may have actually ended up with interesting populations as (due to land limitations) the American population could only be so big if most families were to own plots of land. Where as the European population could be huge if we were all living in these dense, busy sky-high cities. With that relationship, Europe and America could theoretically survive in harmony without the rest of the world.
If the self-sufficient farmer is the ideal why would you favour imports of manufactured goods? What good is it to produce agriculture (or other resources) if you are dependent on outher countries to make it into useful products? The farmer not only produce food. That in itself is not to be self-sufficient. They also used to be able to repair their equipment, to build a fench, dig a ditch and do simple medicine and school their kids. That's self-sufficiency.
I have gone back and forth regarding those gentleman and their Philosophy. What would you have agreed with? I think I would have been on Jefferson’s side.
The crazy thing is that the cities of today are so huge and complex that they're not sustainable in the long-term. So in that regard Jefferson was onto something. His hatred of local manufacturing is perplexing to me, though. Not all manufacturing has to be done in the big cities. This probably is less of an ideological belief and more of his own economic interests. Then again, I am less for the whole privately owned farms and more open field system with an integration between manufacturing and agriculture. Sort of like the old medieval villages but more democratic. Jefferson spoke of many ideas, some of which hit the nail on the head, but he never went far enough in the possibilities because of the view he was looking from.
ShifflerBros It's an instrumental track called "Elephant Gun" that I bought off a website somewhere a few years ago specifically to use in my videos. Cost me about $40, but it's nice to have distinctive music.
Dear Mr. Richey, the (this) idyllic representation of agriculture is quite seductive. Being independent of all others? Even farmers of the time (those that were not indentured servants/slaves) might have questioned that statement. Less dependent? Yes, yes, yes. Not living by an other’s “by your leave” - YES! As always, your videos are informative and worth every second spent watching them. Please, please, keep it up.
Jefferson's views were formed when the Industrial Revolution was in its infancy. The precedent of a world dominated by industrialized powers had yet to be made brutally clear to serious thinkers. It would be interesting to know what Jefferson, had he been born around 100 years later, would've made of that phenomenon. Some groups today try to associate Southern culture with Jefferson's agrarian ideology. They conveniently forget that the Confederacy embarked on a crash program of state-assisted industrialization.
Love Thomas "Timber Tom" ...I hope I meet Jefferson in heaven ...his face, eyes ...what a profile ...his eyes say genius ...deep thinker ...videos great
You say quote "a farmer doesn't need to depend on anyone" yet Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. And I'm not downing TJ for owning slaves because that was the way of life at the time. Just pointing that out.
Jefferson was a little near sighted in his so called visionary statement about agriculture. Until the invention of the tractor, slavery was the only answer to major crop growing in the US. He also envisioned centuries passing before the western territories were settled, it actually happened in two generations. In retrospect, Jefferson showed that he could be just as wrong as John McCain can be.
oceannavagator North of the Mason-Dixon line, there were plenty of people making a living on family farms, but your point is well-taken. Technology certainly has progressed much faster over the past couple of centuries than anyone would have expected!
oceannavagator Jefferson's view wasn't necessarily toward large plantation farmers who did need cheap labor, but toward yeoman farmers who owned small plots and used family labor instead of slave labor.
I disagree and would ask you to imagine a more complete human evolution as opposed to an economic foundation only. If today, i were that fat pile of shit in the oval office, I would create a mandate for ALL children, throughout the entirety of their education years, to be employed in the act of seed saving, drying, archiving, germinating and therefore increasingly improving upon outdated and destructive farming practices while gaining agrarian economy credits in an education system that rewards more thise who contribute more. As these agrarian credit accounts are built up, students knowledge and positive community effect overwhelm the breaking down, poison saturation industrial production with support from elder land contributions into this evolving community land trust network. Not everyone is as idealistic now, but after 3-5 generations of progress, such a twin economic system will have completely freed, renewed and healed this wayward race and reestablished green migratory pathways for all. Biodiversity will flourish, while cities begin to lose importance and allure in favor of a vital utopian paradigm that is more of a permanent change for the better for the entire planet as globalism is made less about resistance and conflict, domination and slavery-and instead, becomes about enthusiastic cooperative relationships, travel, employment and educational opportunities and experiences. But maybe you would prefer to argue.
That's patently untrue, the fact that half the states did not have slavery proves that slavery was not a necessity. Even in the south it was only around 20%, smaller farms could still function without it. And that i believe is the point small farms don't need massive farm equipment or slavery to function, thus Jeffersons vision of an America covered in small family farms seems fitting. If you don't believe me look at Amish farms, if there was ever an example of Jeffersonian agrarianism in action it would be those tough farmers.
Thank God Jefferson's vision never became a reality or else 99% of the people in this country would be nothing more than a bunch of dirt poor peasant farmers with no access to modern medicine, appliances, transportation, etc. or any other type of convenience that exists today as a result of Hamilton's vision succeeding. THANK YOU ALEXANDER HAMILTON!
Thomas Jefferson inherited his condition as a slave owner but was opposed to it philosophically and lived in a state that would make it consistently difficult for a person to legally free their slaves. Before the American Revolution he helped almost get it abolished in Virginia but the decision was shot down by parliament. His original draft of the Declaration of Independence contained a vociferous attack on the institution but his collaborators John Adams and Benjamin Franklin advised him to take it out so as to not potentially scare away any Southern representatives in the Continental Congress. Jefferson also supported the passing of the Northwest Ordinance by the Washington Administration which allowed the national government to block the expansion of slavery into the country’s first federal territories. And during his own time as president he utilized the clause in the Constitution allowing for the end of America’s involvement in the transatlantic slave trade the first day he was permitted to in the document and passed the 1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves. The idea that Jefferson was some kind of apologist for slavery is simply not true.
Imagine a nation where everyone had a 2 acre plot and are able to grow their own produce, and sell it in the open market. There would be no need to depend on government, but only for our security. Brilliant!
Or corporations
Sounds uninspiring to me.
@@johnweber4577 why so?
@@johnweber4577 It also sounds like a big lie given that Jefferson's slaves did all the work. Enslaving humans was how the plantation owners of the South prospered. Most people prefer a beautiful lie to the ugly truth.
If we are all small farmers, who are the customers? Where does the money come from to buy seed, farm implements, land?
Jefferson is another historical figure that fascinates me. I'm a native Virginian and I've always enjoyed my visits to Jeffersons Monticello. Jeffersons love of books, agriculture, and architecture have always impressed and inspired me!
Martin Townes I have yet to visit Monticello, but I'm looking forward to bringing my daughter there one day - waiting for the next time Clemson plays football at UVA so we can kill two birds wtih one stone!
Thank you Matt Damon
HAHAHAHA Matt Damon knows its history!
“Yeah, keep ranting, we know who’s really doing the planting.”
I wonder what the US and Europe would look like today had this vision been a reality. What a symbiotic relationship the two might have had; America the libertarian nation of small, independent farmers exporting masses of raw resources to Europe, which in turn is this huge urban, densely populated manufacturing powerhouse. I think the two may have actually ended up with interesting populations as (due to land limitations) the American population could only be so big if most families were to own plots of land. Where as the European population could be huge if we were all living in these dense, busy sky-high cities. With that relationship, Europe and America could theoretically survive in harmony without the rest of the world.
***** Possible, or the European Empires might not have torn each-other apart in WW1 and could still dominate today...?
This helped me a ton on my history!!! Really appreciate this video!!
If the self-sufficient farmer is the ideal why would you favour imports of manufactured goods? What good is it to produce agriculture (or other resources) if you are dependent on outher countries to make it into useful products? The farmer not only produce food. That in itself is not to be self-sufficient. They also used to be able to repair their equipment, to build a fench, dig a ditch and do simple medicine and school their kids. That's self-sufficiency.
Amish :)
Moved to a giant city....Jefferson would be ashamed
I have gone back and forth regarding those gentleman and their Philosophy. What would you have agreed with? I think I would have been on Jefferson’s side.
I also like studying the contrasting viewpoints of the initial visions of america's future of the Federalissts and the Jeffersonian-Republicans
Would you say that ultimately alexander hamilton supported building technology more so than Thomas Jefferson?
The crazy thing is that the cities of today are so huge and complex that they're not sustainable in the long-term. So in that regard Jefferson was onto something. His hatred of local manufacturing is perplexing to me, though. Not all manufacturing has to be done in the big cities. This probably is less of an ideological belief and more of his own economic interests. Then again, I am less for the whole privately owned farms and more open field system with an integration between manufacturing and agriculture. Sort of like the old medieval villages but more democratic. Jefferson spoke of many ideas, some of which hit the nail on the head, but he never went far enough in the possibilities because of the view he was looking from.
Jefferson is the ultimate example of do as I say, not as I do.
Great video. Thanks for the info! What is the title of the song at the end of the video and who is it by?
ShifflerBros It's an instrumental track called "Elephant Gun" that I bought off a website somewhere a few years ago specifically to use in my videos. Cost me about $40, but it's nice to have distinctive music.
Dear Mr. Richey, the (this) idyllic representation of agriculture is quite seductive. Being independent of all others? Even farmers of the time (those that were not indentured servants/slaves) might have questioned that statement. Less dependent? Yes, yes, yes. Not living by an other’s “by your leave” - YES! As always, your videos are informative and worth every second spent watching them. Please, please, keep it up.
That's BAMBOO TOM! xD Loved the video by the way, liked.
Very helpful! Thank you!
Jefferson's views were formed when the Industrial Revolution was in its infancy. The precedent of a world dominated by industrialized powers had yet to be made brutally clear to serious thinkers. It would be interesting to know what Jefferson, had he been born around 100 years later, would've made of that phenomenon.
Some groups today try to associate Southern culture with Jefferson's agrarian ideology. They conveniently forget that the Confederacy embarked on a crash program of state-assisted industrialization.
very informative. Much appreciated
I do like what you have to say, but it would've helped your credibility to know what that crop was!
Todays yeoman is the small business person.
I can see that.
True, bro. Added and liked.
We should study this more in school!
Could you make a video about the Napoleonic Code? (And give a shout out to Mr Stuewe's 7th block AP Euro Class?)
How would you pronounce Stuewe?
Like "Stewie"
Love Thomas "Timber Tom" ...I hope I meet Jefferson in heaven ...his face, eyes ...what a profile ...his eyes say genius ...deep thinker ...videos great
Jefferson was a smart man; Despite owning slaves.
The only way out of this mess is literally Jeffersonian values .
Jefferson was more of an idealist; Hamilton and Adams were more pragmatist. Do you believe an agrarian utopia would have survived? Not likely.
I watched this video and thought of this clip from the John Adams miniseries. Good stuff.
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Is that stuff sugarcane?
You say quote "a farmer doesn't need to depend on anyone" yet Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. And I'm not downing TJ for owning slaves because that was the way of life at the time. Just pointing that out.
Jefferson was a little near sighted in his so called visionary statement about agriculture. Until the invention of the tractor, slavery was the only answer to major crop growing in the US. He also envisioned centuries passing before the western territories were settled, it actually happened in two generations. In retrospect, Jefferson showed that he could be just as wrong as John McCain can be.
oceannavagator North of the Mason-Dixon line, there were plenty of people making a living on family farms, but your point is well-taken. Technology certainly has progressed much faster over the past couple of centuries than anyone would have expected!
oceannavagator Jefferson's view wasn't necessarily toward large plantation farmers who did need cheap labor, but toward yeoman farmers who owned small plots and used family labor instead of slave labor.
I disagree and would ask you to imagine a more complete human evolution as opposed to an economic foundation only. If today, i were that fat pile of shit in the oval office, I would create a mandate for ALL children, throughout the entirety of their education years, to be employed in the act of seed saving, drying, archiving, germinating and therefore increasingly improving upon outdated and destructive farming practices while gaining agrarian economy credits in an education system that rewards more thise who contribute more. As these agrarian credit accounts are built up, students knowledge and positive community effect overwhelm the breaking down, poison saturation industrial production with support from elder land contributions into this evolving community land trust network. Not everyone is as idealistic now, but after 3-5 generations of progress, such a twin economic system will have completely freed, renewed and healed this wayward race and reestablished green migratory pathways for all. Biodiversity will flourish, while cities begin to lose importance and allure in favor of a vital utopian paradigm that is more of a permanent change for the better for the entire planet as globalism is made less about resistance and conflict, domination and slavery-and instead, becomes about enthusiastic cooperative relationships, travel, employment and educational opportunities and experiences. But maybe you would prefer to argue.
That's patently untrue, the fact that half the states did not have slavery proves that slavery was not a necessity. Even in the south it was only around 20%, smaller farms could still function without it. And that i believe is the point small farms don't need massive farm equipment or slavery to function, thus Jeffersons vision of an America covered in small family farms seems fitting. If you don't believe me look at Amish farms, if there was ever an example of Jeffersonian agrarianism in action it would be those tough farmers.
@@davidnardini628 So, question then, if Jeffersonian agrarianism wasn't based on slavery, then why did he have them?
His slaves did the work. Monticello would not have existed without his slaves.
"We plant seeds in the South, we create," yeah keep ranting, we know who's really doing the planting....
What are you referring to here? You think southerners still own slaves? Or that slaves were the only ones who farmed in the south?
and the role of slaves....?
Thank God Jefferson's vision never became a reality or else 99% of the people in this country would be nothing more than a bunch of dirt poor peasant farmers with no access to modern medicine, appliances, transportation, etc. or any other type of convenience that exists today as a result of Hamilton's vision succeeding. THANK YOU ALEXANDER HAMILTON!
Yes Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner. majority of American (even in the south, 2/3 to be exact) didn’t own slaves, they worked there own farm
Theo Von?!?!?
Jefferson loved agriculture, as long as slaves were the ones doing the work.
Thomas Jefferson inherited his condition as a slave owner but was opposed to it philosophically and lived in a state that would make it consistently difficult for a person to legally free their slaves. Before the American Revolution he helped almost get it abolished in Virginia but the decision was shot down by parliament. His original draft of the Declaration of Independence contained a vociferous attack on the institution but his collaborators John Adams and Benjamin Franklin advised him to take it out so as to not potentially scare away any Southern representatives in the Continental Congress. Jefferson also supported the passing of the Northwest Ordinance by the Washington Administration which allowed the national government to block the expansion of slavery into the country’s first federal territories. And during his own time as president he utilized the clause in the Constitution allowing for the end of America’s involvement in the transatlantic slave trade the first day he was permitted to in the document and passed the 1807 Act Prohibiting Importation of Slaves. The idea that Jefferson was some kind of apologist for slavery is simply not true.
Such a peabrained argument. Jefferson was one of the most anti-slavery founding fathers.