MG4 1000 km Road Trip - Dublin to Fully Charged Live UK South
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- MG4 1000 km Road Trip to Fully Charged Live
Derek Reilly from EV Review Ireland takes the MG4 on a road trip to Fully Charged Live. Starting in Dublin, Irish Ferries to Holyhead and booking in some EV charging on the high seas. Public charging in the UK to get to Harrow 1st and then day 2 to Farnborough for the start of the 3 day show. Using Monta's new Smart Queue system to charge up before I left and back to Holyhead with a ferry and charging to Dublin port early Monday morning.
0:00 Leaving Dublin Thursday Morning
1:53 Boarding the Ferry with an EV
2:41 Onboard the Ferry
3:52 Holyhead to Charge Stop 1 in Crewe
4:39 Charging with Instavolt in Crewe Costa
6:14 Crewe to Rugby
6:49 Charging with GRIDSERVE in Rugby Services
8:16 Journey to Harrow and then next day to Farnborough
8:53 Day 1 of Fully Charged Live UK South
10:21 Charging with Monta Day 2 Fully Charged Live UK South
11:43 Day 3 Top-Up before drive to HolyHead
13:27 Faffing with BPPulse
16:03 Drive to Holyhead
16:31 Waiting to board in Holyhead
18:05 Landing into Dublin
18:47 Conclusion after 1000 km in my MG4
21:50 Outro
Total cost to public charge on this trip was £89.91 with a breakdown below.
Instavolt Crewe £18.11
GRIDSERVE Rugby £16.26
Monta Saturday £21.59
Instavolt Farnborough £4.24
Monta Sunday £2.23
BP Pulse £15.00
Instavolt Gateway Services A55 £12.48
Total £89.91
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Just picked my MG4 long range and this has given me a lot of confidenice about the once a week commute from Birmingham to Newbury. I'm lucky that work has free EV charging and has wisely introduced a que system. Now subbed and looking forward to seeing new and old videos on your channel!
Glad to be of help and thanks for the comment and sub!
Great trip! Never even thought about charging on a ferry... can't imagine they have anything so forward-thinking here in the States so appreciate seeing it work here, thanks Derek ⚡
A nice touch alright!
Problem with ferry EV charging it's usually via very emissions intensive dirty energy as generated on board. Useful in an emergency though.
@@ElectricCarAustralia I suspect it is almost certainly ‘excess energy’ and as such almost no impact, if any.
No way you were behind me in the q to get on to the ferry. 05 Ford focus 😂
@06:16 Almost 1 euro per kWh!!! They should change their name to Instabroke..
Public charging is not cheap for sure
@@NevoEVReviewIreland well Tesla just rolled out more of their EV4 ones for use in the UK. So things will get cheaper. Ps. already done 2K miles in my MG4 trophy and just love it !
Thank you very much for sharing
My pleasure. Thanks for the comment
enjoyed your video thank you from a mg5 sr owner
Glad you enjoyed it. MG5, a great car
Very timely for me personally Derek as I'm heading over to pick up a 2nd hand MX-30 in England and will be be travelling back via Holyhead before making my way up north.
Unfortunately the Irish Ferries ship I'm travelling on doesn't have the onboard chargers though so will have to top up at the Gridserve chargers at the port.
Great to see that Irish Ferries support EVs on some of their ships which is a good sign. Might need a few more bays in the years to come...
Thanks for the comment. Good luck with the journey
Great to see this trip can be done..i did aa trip up to Northern Ireland and found that Maxol were great and card payment was good for my id3 used Plugshare app and put as many uk garage apps on phone that i could find...found range at about 19.5kw/100kwh
Thanks for the comment and great to hear from another long range EV driver. It's not as easy but we'll get there
Thanks, I enjoyed that review. I've seen lots of people have issues wit the BP Pulse chargers. I used them a lot in GB recently, including the Stafford North site you visited. Never had an issue - I think the trick is to use an RFID card. They dont seem to have their own, but used Charge MyHyundai and worked first time every time. The BP Pulse App situation is similar to the reverse issue with Applegreen, up until recently not available in the UK. But yeah en-route DC charging is indeed very expensive. However the CMH card, with a 1 month sunscription, gave me rates of 45p/kwh. Made the trip so much cheaper.
Sounds like good value!
Have a Excite long range on order and have been informed that it is coming with a rear wiper plus a small headrest for the middle rear passenger 😀
I also have mine ordered but wasn't told that. Do you mind saying when you ordered
Nice! Didn't know this was going to happen
Ordered it last month, was expecting a six month wait but they said a ship was due in last day July and expect the car first/second week in August
@@NevoEVReviewIreland 2023 model has those, 18inch wheels (up from 17in), grab handles inside, and colour coded roof (two-tone on Exclusive models gone).
Interesting Derek. Rapid charging is expensive in uk. Good economy. A good video on what a long trip in the car is like.
Thanks.
Des
Glad you enjoyed it Des. As always, appreciate the comment
what was the total journy time from hollyhead to Fully Charged event location there and/or back ? interested in the difference between fosle fule vs electric.
Great video mate
Glad you enjoyed
Late seeing this vid and as usual found it useful. One question though is what type of speeds did you do to get the figures you got?
Average 60mph to 65mph on the motorway. Apologies, I should have listed it
@@NevoEVReviewIrelandThanks Derek!
Interesting Derek. Uk motorway driving is so tiring, just greater distances than we are used to here
Tell me about it
Great video. Nothing is perfect and there are minor shortcomings with the MG4 as there are with all cars.
The lack of rain sensing wipers: yes I also miss that, but as you say - first world problems.
Adaptive cruise control: I find it a bit ‘panicky’ in mine too, but mostly it’s fine.
I have iPhone so can only comment on CarPlay: it’s very unpredictable when it works when wired but I recently bought a Bluetooth dongle and it works perfectly with that.
Lane keep assist: mine is perfect. Nice gentle nudge and beep to alert me if it’s a bad error on my part. But while mine was in for a software reset (dealer hadn’t completed the handover preset checks) I had a courtesy car and that one was violent and I genuinely struggled to drive it on the motorway (read that from others so maybe get the dealer to check it) - dealer said they were aware and it needed a software upgrade.
Overall I LOVE my MG4!
Great to hear from an owner Adam. It's a great car overall!
I enjoyed you review Derek, I am tempted to move from my Citroen eC4 to the MG4 but reading the comments in various sites there are quite a lot of people unhappy with the car, one of the biggest complaints is Software and the infotainment system. These comments stopped me in my tracks. My problem with the eC4 is Range although I had to get Citroen Assist out because of Brake failure so my car is in the garage at the moment and I has a Peugeot 5008 diesel hire car supplied by Citroen until my car has been sorted.
I always steer clear of BP, Shell and Genie point. It's simply not worth the hassle.
MG seems to have announced two new and very interesting variants of the MG4.
Really looking forward to the new announcements coming at Goodwood I think. I'll be steering clear of the charging networks you mentioned too moving forward
£40 pre auth, when I had the ICE and filled up at Sainsbury's supermarket they took £99.
Not just me so! And not just EV
I was disappointed that there's no chargers at Rosslare and Fishguard ports or on the ferry's
More lobbying required
BP pulse are pretty bad! I go to Ireland every christmas via holyhead, and the charger on the ferry is pretty useful, theres a fast charger in Holyhead port, thats pretty good, but its well hidden! Go past the terminal to the back of the car park, I usually charge up there before getting on the boat, Last year I got the new ZS EV long range so had one less stop than in previous years in the original ZS EV. Overall its pretty easy with a stop for us in Athlone at the Instavolts on the way to my Brother in Law's near Galway.
Great knowledge there. Didn't know there were chargers at the ferry port. Next time I will! The ZS EV LR is very capable alright
Just waiting for my MG4. £18 for 89 miles. About 33% more than a petrol or diesel @ 45mpg. I like the idea of free charging on board. Sure you charge your mobile phone so....
Thanks Adrian. Home charging is the only way to have affordable EV ownership
I have found that public chargers are very expensive and can be more than petrol / diesel equivalents so you do need to plan long trips much more carefully as a result. I have an MG5 which is great, but I am careful to plan chargers and always give myself three alternatives. I quite like planning my long journeys… a bit sad I know ;) but it works well :)
The total driven journey of 1000km (600miles ) for 89 pounds makes more sense perhaps - but still more expensive than it needs to be.
yeah reality of UK 20% tax policy on ev charging network. In my town on this day its 0.85/kwh
Diesel is cheaper of course.
They call granny charger "emergency charger". I call public charging "emergency charging"
@@audriusa5368 tax on diesel and petrol from the government is way more than 20 percent.
But the charger networks are there to make money but I feel they are charging far to much per kwh. Maybe the government should subsidize public charging and set a set profit margin for those accepting the subsidized rate to make public charging a viable alternative.
Thank you for your response . When you say credit is in credit as with a credit or debit card or a special credit built up with an App dedicated to Electric charging .If the latter, is there any UK charging company that you used and would recomend for an Irish person driving in the UK ? Pleas be specific because when you arrive the chargers demand specific knowledge in so many ways. Thank you. As you can read EV driving is quite a challenge for the new EV driver.
Apologies, I used a regular debit card from my bank. No need for any dedicated apps on the route I used. Have you looked at ABRP - A Better Route Planner. It will show you where and when and for how long to charge.
derek we really need a review on this renault austral i feel like everyone is talking about its such a beauty of a machine infairness
Thanks for the comment Ricky's Gadget. Unfortunately I only review full electric on this channel
@@NevoEVReviewIreland ah no problem Derek
Doing a near 1000 mile round trip in the UK next week in our MG4 long range. Kinda dreading it knowing how bad the UK infrastructure is.
How did it go for you?
@NevoEVReviewIreland half the journey is done. 1 charger worked nonissue, and the 2nd refused to work. Made it to our destination with like 4%
Loads to spare 😉
@@NevoEVReviewIreland haha
Hi Derek, done that drive many a time and it can be exhausting , unfortunately im shocked at the cost of the charging, and id probably say you are too , but keep the video's coming as i really enjoy the content and your realistic views , even though id never ever buy an EV .
Thanks for the comment Sean. The price of public fast charging is the most expensive way to run an EV for sure. Cheap/free home charging is the way to go not to mention solar
You will be even more shocked when they introduce the tax per mile on top of the charging
For all cars?
@@NevoEVReviewIreland All EV's
@@stevebeever2442 I haven't heard that was coming if I'm honest. Where did you see that?
I have a Leaf and had a lot of problems with Android Auto. After changing my cable i never had problems again. I bought one with USB-IF certification and 50cm of size.
Going to change it and buy a new one this week
Our charging network is absolutely scandalous in comparison to the rest of Europe
Thanks for the comment. Lots of room for improvement for sure
Just a quick update, collected the car today, does indeed have the rear wiper/rear headrest, but also a big plus for me is that they did add in one pedal driving 😅😅 I am so used to this from the Leaf
Nice! That's a very welcome update. Thanks for the comment
The Ferry bought back some found memories of travelling from Holyhead to Dublin years ago. Wasnt driving an EV though.
Great video Derek, the MG4 should sell well. First ones hitting the road in Australia likely in next few weeks.
Oh I think it will do well over there!
Always good information from you Derek; thanks 😉👍
Can’t wait for your MG4 Vs BYD Dolphin assessment. When do you reckon they will give you a Dolphin?🤔
Still waiting on the Dolphin (now mid-August following their big release event in June)😢
Thanks Kevin. No word yet on the Dolphin. Coming soon I hope
I really enjoyed it.I have just bought an EV MG4 and I have mixed experiences travelling toward Mallow , County Cork and back . Easy go chargers there are a disaster , never working. I am travelling to UK in a few weeks time , same trasport as you to York.Will a credit card suffice to pay at EV chargers or do I have to have a special app.
Thanks for the comment Bobby. I used credit for the majority of the fast charging.
I live in crewe (first stop) everything is expensive 😂
DC fast charging is so expensive in the UK! How does it compare to what you pay in Ireland?
A bit cheaper but not by much here. 70c to 80c approximately
@@NevoEVReviewIreland thanks, very useful info in regards to charging cost as well as not being able to download local charging apps if you are from a different region. Will be visiting both Ireland and UK next year during the summer, renting an EV of course so all this is very useful input.
Happy to help
I'm sorry you had to use a BP charger, you have my comiserations
😂😂😂
"faffing with bp pulse"... I used BP pulse 3 times, never get more than 20kwh speed. Most memorable was visit bp pulse charger in London-somewhere in deep basement full of dusty cars, picture like from old horror movie. Charging speed 15kwh, setup and connect took about 20min...oh boy...
Now we ordered new car with motability and you can guess what network discount we get... BP pulse of course! So its membership with couple penies discount on slowest, max 2 stalls per place network. Its more mockery than some real help...
Thanks for the comment. Agree, not worth the hassle of the user experience
Great video Derek. I’m going to be hiring an MG4 long range when I’m over in Ireland for a business trip next month. I’ll be covering around 700 miles in 4 days heading from Belfast to Cork, mainly sticking to the east. I was wondering what the charging network is like and whether there’s a recommended app or charge points to use. Although I’ve driven several electric cars, this will be my first experience of relying on public charging. Thanks
You should be good with ESB ecars app, EasyGo or the major fuel stations like Circle K and Applegreen. No one app to do them all yet....
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Thanks for the info. It will be good preparation for when I get my Volvo EX30 early next year.
@@dangregory-miles4097 Really looking forward to driving that one!
Even the MG4 can be fully charged from zero to 100% in just over 13 hours via a normal domestic wall-socket - so there was no reason not to top up the MG4 slowly and safely and cheaply back to 100% in the driveway at his friend's house. Our media loves to try to persuade everyone to buy and use wall-boxes - but that majority of drivers with driveways who drive well under 50 miles a day on well over 300 days of the year can easily manage without them - even more so if they can also top up at the work-place(usually for free).
So don't buy a wall-box unless or until you really feel you need one - despite our media's constant collective-coercive attempts to persuade us not to simply plug into a wall-socket and top up overnight !
Paul G
Fair point Paul. Yes I could have but I could also have been staying in a hotel on that night with no way of charging so public charging it was. I regularly charge on the domestic socket when I visit my parents.
Didn't take your granny charger so you could have just used a standard plug overnight to put some into the battery? Amazing the ferry has charging which is great. Like to see you do a Atto 3 on a longer journey as I find the headrest like you found the seat sort of uncomfortable as it isn't adjustable and pushes in abit right at the shoulder level on my spine which is abit disconcerting along with the fact it has nowhere to put my left foot flat on the floor only the foot rest which is at the wrong angle unlike my classic Ioniq which there is space to put my foot next to the brake pedal flat on the floor.
Plan on doing 600km+ this weekend so great time for the request
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Atto 3? :)
@@TassieEV Yep
Hi Tassie, yes I've had lots of comments from Atto owners about uncomfortable headrest. Let's hope they make some changes with next model.
With regards Ferry charging, be aware most use energy generated with very emissions intensive dirty fuels. Some of the larger ferries even bunker fuel the worst of all. Recommend only using this charging if really needed. 🙏
Very interesting account of your journey. I have an MG5 with the same battery as your review car. I get over 220 miles on long journeys in summer and about 190 miles in the winter, even allowing for aircon / heaters. I don’t charge the battery above 20% and plan my journeys to give me charging options at that range. I noticed you ‘topping up’ your battery throughout the trip. What impact will this have on degradation long term? The manuals all go on about battery management, do you think topping up could have an impact on degradation and re-slake value? I do manage my car battery very carefully and log date, miles, % at start and % at end of charging whether at home or public chargers, KWh input and cost, it only takes me about 10 seconds to write this down in a log book I keep in the car. I am doing this so that I can maximise the battery longevity for the next person who may own my car, I want to be able to demonstrate good battery management.
So when are you going to review the Cyberster ? …. I’ll look forward to that one ! Thanks for the great review :)
For a regular owner little DC charging is best for battery health. I wouldn't run mine like that if I owned it. Sounds like you've a great system. Not everyone will be as lucky with their 2nd hand EV experience. Battery health reports and passports will have to take more of a main role
Charging EVs on diesel-powered Ferry is not exactly echo friendly is it ?
Why? Its using the diesel anyway, if anything its ultra clean
Interesting test.
Thank you!
I hope Apple Car connection is reliable. Several other car reviewers have found Android Auto drops out on other cars too. Is it because car companies have to program for lots of different versions or is car connectivity to smart phone generally is buggy?
I think so. Thanks for the comment
£0.75 per kWh. Wow that is expensive. Prices have lost control with reality.
Competition is badly needed
I like the Chines MG4
Me too!
Some of the motorway charge points are ridiculously priced. I also think ABRP should do a bit better at choosing cheaper chargers. :)
There are plenty of cheaper charge points not far off the beaten track.
Yeah, ABRP's great at what it does with what it knows, but what it knows is limited.
You can set it to prefer and avoid certain chargers and also networks.
Thanks for the comments all. Agree with all of them. Good data is needed and it's still all very early days. Pricing should be as visible as the dead dinosaur juice.
Apart from the BP stop, at least it was mostly hassle free to get a charger. I don't think people mind paying a premium now and again for good charging speeds and convenience.
Agree
Hi Derek.
You driving to fast is 18 kWh.😃😃
It’s city car not for long journey.
Efficiency it’s not great in long range.
What is efficiency in city ?
Thanks. I'm usually getting told I drive too slow 🤣🤣. City driving should see 14 to 15kwh/100km
75p per kW/h, I though ESB was bad.
Exactly!
Those motorway chargers are a bit of a rip off.
At the moment yes. Competition is a good thing hopefully
As are motorway petrol and diesel prices. No-one in their right minds fill up at the services unless they can avoid it, or I certainly didn't when I last had an ICE car (2015). Same for EVs (we have two, Renault Zoe and MG4 Trophy), charged off solar and home battery to 100% before starting journey, then topping up where necessary at cheapest available public charger usually just off the motorway, if or when needed. Yes charging costs are way too high, but they are on the way down now as energy prices are reducing.
BEWARE MG4 long range Excite (Irish model) DOES NOT have long range 3-phase charging (Uk version does have 3-phase) Irish model only has 1-phase 6kW charging meaning that unless your workplace has a super fast CCS charger (they won’t) you will be looking at at least 10hours to get from 10 to 80% charge. You might get as little as 2kWhrs at an 11kW 3-phase charger!!!! A trickle charge ……Irish dealership won’t tell you this !!!
Very interesting Keith
Why are you chargin at instavolt! Gridserve, ChargePoint, BP Pulse, Shell Recharge, IONITY are all half the price!
Convenience unfortunately, not knowing the areas and I paid for it
@@NevoEVReviewIreland Thanks for the reply but we should all avoid them, until they realise their prices are too high.
The Android Auto can be fussy about cables, although an Anker should be fine. You do have to have your phone unlocked for Android Auto to start - could that have been the issue?
On driver assist, if you engage Traffic Jam Assist (TJA) instead of regular cruise control, that actually keeps you centred in the lane, so effectively steers for you on the motorway
The M6 toll prices are ridiculous, it's always worth checking the traffic conditions through the West Midlands. If the M6 is jammed up from J11-J4 then it is worth paying to avoid, otherwise it's a handy cash saving if you don't use the toll road
Appreciate the comment Billy. I live and learn
To be honest I thought it a little selfish of you taking up a charging place on the ferry when your car was at 92% battery someone else might have needed it more,seeing as there is limited chargers,my opinion
Thanks for the comment Sean. Fair point. Only 2 if the 4 were in use and if someone has asked me to move I would have no problem. It's all booked in advance and I wanted a full battery departing with such a long journey on the other side
BP pulse is expensive and very user unfriendly.Have complained but no action as they are firmly into fossil
I agree unfortunately. Thanks for the comment
Yet again ppl charging their non LFP/LMFP batteries to more then 80%. Not recommended on a regular basis - what does that really mean? If the car is discharged to a maximum, why does nobody tell you what the charging times are?? Spoiler alert, whatever the 80/10 time is for the fast or superfast charger you are using, double it, so in terms of time management, it's a daft idea whilst on the journey. 75p/Kwh is outrageous. At 3.4 mi/Kwh, that's 22p/mile. My Mazda 2 D on motorways at 75 mph is 71 mpg, ie 9.3p/mile and I'll go 1100km on one tank, ie there and back. Diesel rules.
Thanks for the comment
75p per kWh is crazy I agree. My Tesla charges at around 40p or less and does 4 mi/kWh if I take it easy so around 10p/mile from a Supercharger. If I charge from home it is a quarter of that price so less than 2.5p per mile. My last three Turbo Diesels would never do more than 55mpg on a trip and all three engines broke down under my ownership. Diesels are smelly dirty dinosaurs.
The poor efficiency is the main thing that puts me off the MG 4 my older design ice based Ioniq beats it hands down. So much for progress☹
Thanks for the comment Paul. Hard to beat the original IONIQ. Not many like it
Whatever happened to that much-hyped multiple MG4 road-trip from the UK to the World Cup in Qatar? Abandoned? Achieved? Did anyone care either way?
Paul G
I remember something about that. Was it some Wales fans?
Hi Derek......it's your friendly EV sceptic again. Not a very economical way to traval at all. I could be wrong but you seem to be charging around every 150kms and that is costing between 16 to 18 GBP.........that's about €20 yoyos for 150kms. €20 at current Diesel prices will get me about 250kms in my lovely, big, comfortable Skoda.
No thanks.............they have a long way to go yet.
Urban driving with home charging is all they are fit for........no matter which way you sugar coat it.
Shocking costs for out of home charging. Big hold back for EV is destination charging, it will improve but right now? Diesel for the long journey and a small range EV for day to day seem the best set up.
"Not a very economical way to traval at all... €20 at current Diesel prices will get me about 250kms".
Can be. Traveled 3,500km from Ireland to Poznan & back last year in a Model 3, public charging costs amounted to €238.78, which is about €50 less than what your Skoda'd cost.
@@ThomasMcGuire my Skoda could do that journey with only 3 fuel ⛽ stops....if needed......at about 10mins each (including toilet stop and take away coffee)......I also wouldn't have to hog a lane of the carraige way at 100kmh, petrified that I will over use my battery 🔋.
You cannot win the long distance travel argument. You just can't.
Man, your electricity costs are really high.
In Australia, even using a Tesla supercharger it’s AUD$0.60/kWh, or about £0.32/kWh. Less than half your pricing.
@@countessa1estheria In Ireland, I believe the cost of Leccy at a motorway services is approx 70c per KW/H (that's euro cents)
Rubbish, it`s all charging. Worst is I am getting this car.
Thanks for the comment. Normal everyday driving along with home charging overnights will see you right
A poor and disjointed review.
Sorry you feel that way Frank. What would you have liked to have seen? I've a proper review of the MG4 separately on the link below if it's the car you'd like reviewed.
th-cam.com/video/WCfYr2swTR0/w-d-xo.html
@@NevoEVReviewIrelandDerek, if I may say so you have nothing to apologise for. There is absolutely nothing in the title of the vid to suggest it was a car review.
Some people eh...