this episode would be WAAAAY different in the conversation if it was recorded today… they need to start working on a sequel book about elon firing federal workers
I just love how even after TWO YEARS literally everyone still calls it Twitter.....not X. You just _know_ that bothers him. Or if people do call it X, they always tack on "also known as Twitter." Has this been _the_ worst brand rename in corporate history? I also just adore the irony that we're all "dead-naming" the thing Elon cares most about. No, not his own trans daughter. His personal dopamine button / public discourse destroyer.....X, -also- mostly known as Twitter.
It seemed like that at first, but it is becoming X now. You probably don't see it because the content you consume is from people who hate what the platform has become and are calling it Twitter out of protest. Many people, especially outside of the US call it X now. I do think it's a stupid rebrand though.
I found you a few days ago, and I've really enjoyed your podcast. You're a great interviewer and the way you use professionals in their specific fields is awesome. I've loved the different points of view, and I've learned a bunch about the way the world works. I recently in school had to talk about housing and because of your video on the lack of housing available; I had information to share! Thanks!
Yea, he's got a decent podcast as long as he doesn't talk about A.I. It's understandable for him to be fearful A.I. could hurt his comedy career, but he tried twisting it into A.I. being all hype. It made that specific episode look awful. But let's be real. The upcoming A.I. is going to hurt everyone in entertainment. Look what it is currently doing to the music industry 😞
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 ai sucks period. But it is not hype it will be used by studios and trashy folks until actual folks that care have to begrudgingly use it as well. As the puny minds of the masses get even weaker.
A reminder Elon was forced to buy Twitter by the courts. Lets not pretend he was playing some 3d chess at the time. Granted , he definitely took advantage of it once he had ownership
"Relationship building" in today's world means potentially selling your soul and democracy for wealth. That's the type if relationship building I see today in the world.
I wish I was not so egotistical but I have BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. I told all my coworkers (who hated me for it) that Elon is a dork, and you can NOT underestimate how much dork's want to be 'cool' and be heard. I noticed it when he smoked on Joe Rogan's podcast. I had seen that behavior before. He is a smart person, but he is like a nerd that got bullied and they want so badly for the world to 'hear' them roar. It is not about free speech as much as it is about HIS SPEECH , and HIS feelings. The price for that means nothing, and it was obvious when he purchased Twitter. he has an agenda, and it is taboo to say what it is, but I called that shit years ago , lol.
Same, though I didn't make the political connection until early this year. It was apparent LONG before the results of the election, especially in the last 3 or 4 months, that it's not the monetary value of Twitter he was prioritizing, but the political and societal power of controlling the flow of information. When Elon first bought Twitter, I already didn't like him, but I didn't *hate* him like I hate Donald Trump and other far-right power hungry maniacs. But this year, Elon really cemented himself among that group for me. I feel genuine shame that I used to think he was cool for SpaceX stuff -- and that was in like, 2016.
Elon like donald are all under the DOD. They just do as they are told. It is not now nor has it ever been a meritocracy. It is 100% a cronyocracy or a bro-opoly. Buying the largest "left" wing, more importantly the largest independant journalist network of twitter and shafting it was always the point. What trends was already biased towards authoritive narratives over independent research. Now...
he's not smart. he's dumb (or he's very good at pretending to be dumb) and evil. that being said I *am* surprised that people that spend time analysing his actions, noticing that he made an echo chamber (aka a propaganda machine) out of one of the most popular social platforms in the world, understanding that he has interests in creating such a machine, and are only *now* realising that the machine is working.
"Dork" is old school. It's like saying "thirsty" instead of "dehydrated" You gotta use the modern phrases to get through. "Autism spectrum, narcissistic tendencies, maladaptive personal attachment" His backstory is brutal. His dad is literally an apartheid mine Barron. Emeralds, not diamonds, but the same thing as blood diamonds. He had no peers, no friends. Its rare for him to talk about his childhood, but bits and pieces have come out over the decades. He used to wander around with emeralds in his pocket day dreaming what he could do with the secret wealth and the imagined power. His father used corporal punishment (he beat up his sons). He hinted it was enough to require medical care. Old man Musk also fucked and then married his own adopted daughter (Elon's adopted sister). Gods alone know how he treated Elon's mother. Imagine how child Elon learnt to view men, power, women, marriage, family responsibility, work ethics, workers and their rights. He really, really wants a father figure who gives him positive attention. Imagine the confusion of the favourite child being your adopted sister who is being groomed by your parent. He left and never went back.
I did not even know about Henry Ford's antisemitism. Granted I went to school in Texas, but we were never taught this. Heck, we sang songs about him in grade school! "Thank you Henry Ford, for the dream that came true..." Now I'm just disgusted.
32:25 Elon did not electrify cars. Martin Eberhard electrified "luxury cars". Elon was just the guy with enough money to buy his way into the CEO seat.
And he made that money by being really bad at being CEO of Confinity and getting fired - but they didn't take away his stock holdings in the company so when it was renamed PayPal and sold off to eBay for billions, he made bank. He's done nothing but fail upwards.
This is not true. Excerpt from Walter isaacson's biography on Elon Musk Chapter 21: The Roadster: Tesla, 2004-2006 Cobbling together pieces. One of the most important decisions that Elon Musk made about Tesla the defining imprint that led to its success and its impact on the auto industry was that it should make its own key components rather than piercing together a car with hundreds of components from independence suppliers. Tesla would control its own destiny and quality and costs and supply chain by being vertically integrated. Creating a good car was important even more important was creating the manufacturing processes and factories that could mass produce. From the battery cells to the body. But that's not the way the company began. Just the opposite. When producing their Rocket e-book, Martin Eberhard and Mark Tarpenning had outsourced the manufacturing process. Likewise, when it came time to make Tesla's first car, the Roadster, they decided to cobble it together from components made by outside suppliers. In a decision that would come to haunt Tesla, Eberhard decided the Tesla would get batteries in Asia and car bodies in England, and drive trains from AC propulsion and a transmission from Detroit or Germany. This was in line with the prevailing trends in the auto industry and the early days of Henry Ford and other pioneers. Carmakers did most of the work in house, but beginning in the 1970's the company spun off their parts makers and upped their reliance on suppliers. From 1970 to 2010, they went from producing 90% of the intellectual property in their vehicles to about 50%. That made them dependent on far-flung supply chains. After Eberhard and Tarpenning decided to outsource the building of the cars body and chassis, they went to the Los Angeles Auto Show, invited themselves into the booth of the boutique British sports carmaker Lotus, and cornered one of the executives. He was a polite British guy. And couldn't find a way to tell us to go away, Eberhardt says. When we were done, he was intrigued enough to invite us to the UK. They eventually agreed to a deal in which Lotus would supply a slightly modified version of the body of its sprightly Elise Roadster, and then Tesla would equip it with an electric engine and powertrain from AC propulsion. By January 2005, the 18 engineers and mechanics at Tesla had cobbled together by hand what was known as a development mule, a vehicle that could be shown off and tested before being put into production. To make a mule required a lot of hacking and slashing in order to jam our batteries and the AC propulsion powertrain into a Lotus Elise, Musk says. But at least we had a thing that looked like a real car. It actually had doors and a roof, unlike. The T0. Strabo got to take the first Test ride. When he touched the accelerator, it bolted forward like a startled horse. Amazing even its engineers. Eberhard's turn came next, and tears came to his eyes as he gripped the wheel. After Musk took his turn zipping around and marveling at the cars super quick but silent acceleration, he agreed to invest $9 million more in the company. Whose company? One issue with startups, especially those with multiple founders and funders, is who should be in charge. Sometimes the alpha male wins, as when Steve Jobs marginalized Steve Wozniak and when Bill Gates did the same to Paul Allen. At other times, it's messier, especially when. Seer, especially when different players feel that they are the founder of a company. Both Eberhard and Musk consider themselves to be the main founder of Tesla. And Eberhard's mind. He had come up with the idea and listed his friend Tarpenning, registered a company, chosen a name, and gone out and found funders. Elon called himself the chief architect and all kinds of things, but he wasn't, Eberhardt says. He was just a board member and investor. But in Musk's mind, he was the one who put Eberhard together with Strobel and provided the funding needed to start the company. When I met Eberhard and Wright and Tarpenning, they had no intellectual property, no employees, nothing. All they had was a shell corporation. At first, this difference in perspective was not a big problem. I was running SpaceX, Musk says. And I had no desire to also run Tesla. He was happy, at least initially, to be the board chair and let Eberhard be CE O. But as the person who owned most of the equity, Musk had ultimate authority, and it was not in his nature to defer. Especially when it came to engineering decisions, he became increasingly involved. Tesla's leadership team thus became an inherently unstable molecule. For the first year or so, Musk and Eberhard got along. Everhard handled the daily management of Tesla at its headquarters in Silicon Valley. Musk spent most of his time in Los Angeles and made visits only about once a month for board meetings or important design reviews. His questions tended to be technical, probing into the details of the battery pack, motor and materials. He was not known for gushing emails, but one night early in their relationship, after working on a problem together, he sent 1 to Eberhard. The number of great product people in the world is tiny, and I think you are one of them. They talked most days, exchanged emails at night and occasionally socialized. I was never his drinking buddy, ever, Hard says. But we were in each other's houses every now and then and went out to eat. Alas, they were too much alike for the buddy movie to last. Both were hard driving, high strung, detail oriented engineers who could be brutally dismissive of those they considered fools. The problems began whenever Hart had a falling out with Ian Wright, who had been part of the founding team. Their disagreements became so intense that each tried to convince Musk to fire the other. It was a tacit acknowledgement by Eberhard that Musk. Had the ultimate say. Martin and Ian were telling me why the other one is a demon and needs to be. Demon and needs to be thrown out, Musk says they're saying Elon, you must make a choice. Musk called Strobel for advice. OK, who should we pick here? He asked. Strobel replied that neither choice was great, but when pressed, he advised maybe Martin is the lesser of two evils. Musk ended up firing right. About the situation deepened his doubts about Eberhard. It also prompted him to become more. Involved in the management of Tesla. Design decisions. As Musk began to pay more attention to Tesla, he could not refrain from getting involved in design and engineering decisions. He would fly up from Los Angeles every couple of weeks, chair a design review meeting, inspect models and suggest improvements. Being Musk. However, he did not consider his ideas to be mere suggestions. He bristled when they were not carried out. This was a problem because the company's business plan called for cobbling together a body from Lotus and other suppliers without making major changes. We had planned to do the minimal possible modifications, Tarpenning says. At least until Elon got more involved. Eberhard tried to resist most of Musk's suggestions, even if they would make the car better, because he knew they would increase costs and cause delays. But Musk argued that the only way to jumpstart Tesla was to roll out a Roadster that wowed customers. We only get to release our first car once, so we want it to be as good as it can be, he told Eberhard at one of the review meetings. Musk's face darkened, his stare turned cold, and he declared that the car looked cheap and ugly. We couldn't have a crappy looking car and sell it for around $100,000, he later said. Although his expertise was computer software, not industrial design, he began putting a lot of time into the aesthetics of the Roadster. I had never designed a car before, so I was studying every great car and trying to understand what made it special, he says. I agonized over all the details. He would later proudly note that he was honored by the Art Center College of Design and Pasadena for his work on the Roadster. One major design revision that Musk made was to insist that the door of the roads should be enlarged. In order to get in the car you had to be a dwarf mountain climber or a master contortionist, he said. It was insane, farcical, the six foot 2. Inch Musk found he had to swing his rather large **** into the seat, fold himself into nearly a fetal position, then try to swing his legs in. If you're going on a date, how is a woman even going to get in the car? He asked. So he ordered that the bottom of the doors frame be lowered 3 inches. The resulting redesign of the chassis meant that Tesla could not use the crash test certification that Lotus had, which added $2,000,000 to the production costs. Like many of Musk's revisions, it was both correct and costly. Musk also ordered that the seats be made wider. My original idea was to use the same seat structures that Lotus used, Eberhardt says. Otherwise we would have to redo all the testing. But Elon felt that the seats were too narrow for his wife's body or something. I got a skinny **** and I kind of missed the narrow seats. Musk also decided that the original Lotus headlights were ugly because they had no cover or shield. It made the car look bug eyed, he says. The lights are like the eyes of a car, and you have to have beautiful eyes. That change would add another $500,000 to the production costs, he was told. But he was adamant. If you're buying a sports car, you're buying it because it's beautiful, he told the team. So this is not a small deal. Instead of the fiberglass composite material that Lotus used, Musk decided that the Roadster body should be made from stronger carbon fibre
@@JakeStine I suspected that would be the response. In responding to similar questions in the past, I've made succinct and concise claims regarding Elon's involvement. Then I get told I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about and to look it up. I figured why not just circumvent all of that silliness and jump straight to providing elaborate detail.
Now that he owns the US government he'll pay those Saudi investors back with whatever power or government contracts they want. He's officially the 1st US oligarch.
Rockefeller, Johnson & Johnson, Morgan, Brown Harriman, Soros, and the rest of Wall Street have been trying to own the federal bureaucracy for 100 years. Warren Buffett isn't an exception nor are Bill Gates, Zuck, and the rest of Silicon Valley mob. Shit, they might as well make AI run the govt.
It's refreshing to hear you guys talk about Elon for the conspiracy theorist he's become. Now that him/Trump have taken over the bro podcasts I was starting to feel like everyone is getting lost down the rabbit hole.
I bought an electric Nissan recently, and the dealer's forecourt was full of Teslas he can't shift because people are embarrassed to be seen in them. We might've considered one once, but not now. And I never see any new ones- all 2021/22. (Heard good things about Bolts too! Though I'm not sure if they're available in the UK)
Electric cars were in the pipeline well before Elon came on the scene. He has had a large part in popularising them and now most people are buying hybrids...from someone else.
My only complaint is how he manipulated the algorithms to give his own voice and the people who agree with his point of view a higher priority over everyone else. That is not the free speech he likes to complain about. Of course his followers don't even understand what an algorithm is let alone know what it does.
That’s your only complaint? Not the moderation actually targeting liberals and letting Nazi hate speech run rampant? Not the unblocking of abhorrent people? Not the new block that isn’t a block so he can reach everyone who blocked him?
@@DefaultProphet No, that is free speech and you can choose to ignore those people yourself. But you have no control over what the guy in charge of the platform wants you to hear. That is the difference.
Its true that he owns it and can do what he wants, but when he boots people that say shit he doesnt want to hear, thats not free speech. Hes so proud of being a free speech absolutist, but he absolutely is not one. Nazis and white supremecists and he has free speech, but not journalists that report on him negatively.@henrythegreatamerican8136
@ Their “special protections” are a requirement for functioning. If they had to crack down even harder on moderation conservatives would be far and away the most moderated
34:47 Yes there is! Her name is Gwynne Shotwell and, outside of people that pay attention to the industry, she doesn't get enough credit for the success of SpaceX. She is the COO and actually runs the day to day there, Elon is mostly just the large picture vision guy at this point. Gwynne is widely considered the reason SpaceX has been so successful at delivering on Elon's promises. She had to talk him down several times from cancelling Falcon Heavy during development, which they had already signed huge contracts for payloads on!
It sounded a lot more scary before we found out it has no power. It's an advisory body due to make recommendations in the middle of 2026. Maybe its reports will be impactful but, on the other hand, Trump might have handed the annoying kid a complicated toy to play with so he gets bored and wanders off
Vulture Capitalism by Grace Blakeley is worth the read and might be a person worth bringing on to speak to. This discussion reminded me of it. Happy reading - cheers
About the conversation at about 13.5 min into this... I think a big part of the equation is that Musk doesn't like answering to a board. He was briefly the CEO of Confinity, but constantly fought both the board and the employees until eventually the board fired him (after about six months on the job). Since then, he's been authoritarian about businesses he owns. He doesn't want to be told his idea is bad or needs more work; he wants to dictate policy and doesn't want it questioned. This is supported by all the reports that have come out over the years that have people who've spoken up being abruptly fired for their insolence. Like just earlier this year when he fired a bunch of SpaceX employees who said he was embarrassing the company.
Considering the new gov't appointment and this episode that shines more light on the 💩 show that was the twitter take over it's going to be a very terrible time to work in gov't and to live here
18:41 - the style of humor you're looking for, Adam, is "Beavis and Butthead." If Elon was Butthead, all of his jokes would make perfect sense in that context and the humor would be grand.
I've been following Thunderf00t for years, and he has been calling out Elon for all of his overselling and stuff, only to be right EVERY SINGLE TIME. He recently posted a video explaining how now Elon is in power, the American economy, and the world economy therein will suffer for it.
Hallelujah! God is still performing wonders. I'm positioning myself for such miracles. This is the best thing I've seen today on TH-cam-thank you so much!.540k earned so far.
To be successfully in life one must take risk, investing brings success that’s why the rich will never come out in public to tell you how they make their money
*_The crypto market has been unfavorable for months and I keep losing my money selling-off during dips, I'm very scared of holding right now, how do you guys still make so much….?_*
Democracy spliced with capitalism (You are free to choose (what to Buy)) has been the perfect vehicle for what we are going into now: no holds bar tyrany of business men. Those behind the curtain are front and center as of Trump
not necessarily dumb just lacking in empathy, though Elon is definitely not the brightest bulb. (and I would say it depends what you mean by successful business)
It all makes sense now. His entire philosophy is to do what he wants and when someone tells him he can't he demands they answer "why not?" That's the whole schtick. Its the same strategy an ill behaved toddler would use, but as a rich guy he's protected but not bound by the law so it has continued to work for him since he was a toddler.
A sink standing outside reminds me of this comedic short my classmate made, back in the early days of TH-cam. The climactic scene showed a disabled Xbox opening the bedroom door to find him cheating on it with that promiscuous homewrecker PlayStation. All to the soundtrack of 🎶 "Without You" by Harry Nillson. 🙃
Modern business advice is move fast and break shit that's what he does. It's a 2 steps forward one step back approach that on average works out in the long run
I teach at a workshop for adults with developmental disabilities, a lot of them equate Elon to a real life iron man... I've also talked to people who genuinely think the AI robots were not controlled by humans... Unfortunately we dont all see Elon the same way
As long as you are a billionaire, you can introduce new ideas before the deadlines/actualization of old ideas occurs, and there is no accountability; time is money: billionaires aren't socially beholden to deadlines...yay capitalism
between the 20th of january and the 1st of february the unite states will sign a 1 trillion dollar agreement to swap all cops car to teslas ! Just to green , you know ....
Maybe it's just because I'm listening not watching, but kate, my dear, I'm getting to the point I'll have to rewatch this and count how many mhmmmmms 😂
I downloaded my archive last week before shutting down my account and the .rar file I got was still named Twitter so and so.rar Once you open it it still refers to posts as Tweets, etc. Nothing's changed. I think Elon must have fired the people who could change that.
@@gmenezesdea I think my point went completely over your head, buddy. I am not talking about how the software is referred to by internal account downloading scripts. I'm referring to the social media platform that used to be one thing as Twitter but, today, is something else, under Elon, as X. Twitter was one thing. X is full of bots, crypto, porn, conservatives going viral, liberals not, and misinformation.
this episode would be WAAAAY different in the conversation if it was recorded today… they need to start working on a sequel book about elon firing federal workers
We knew Musky was gunning for a position even before the election tho. His DOGE proposal came up in his Twitter spaces and chill with Trump
I just love how even after TWO YEARS literally everyone still calls it Twitter.....not X. You just _know_ that bothers him. Or if people do call it X, they always tack on "also known as Twitter." Has this been _the_ worst brand rename in corporate history? I also just adore the irony that we're all "dead-naming" the thing Elon cares most about. No, not his own trans daughter. His personal dopamine button / public discourse destroyer.....X, -also- mostly known as Twitter.
It seemed like that at first, but it is becoming X now. You probably don't see it because the content you consume is from people who hate what the platform has become and are calling it Twitter out of protest. Many people, especially outside of the US call it X now. I do think it's a stupid rebrand though.
I found you a few days ago, and I've really enjoyed your podcast. You're a great interviewer and the way you use professionals in their specific fields is awesome. I've loved the different points of view, and I've learned a bunch about the way the world works. I recently in school had to talk about housing and because of your video on the lack of housing available; I had information to share! Thanks!
Yea, he's got a decent podcast as long as he doesn't talk about A.I.
It's understandable for him to be fearful A.I. could hurt his comedy career, but he tried twisting it into A.I. being all hype. It made that specific episode look awful. But let's be real. The upcoming A.I. is going to hurt everyone in entertainment. Look what it is currently doing to the music industry 😞
@@henrythegreatamerican8136 ai sucks period. But it is not hype it will be used by studios and trashy folks until actual folks that care have to begrudgingly use it as well. As the puny minds of the masses get even weaker.
A reminder Elon was forced to buy Twitter by the courts. Lets not pretend he was playing some 3d chess at the time. Granted , he definitely took advantage of it once he had ownership
100%, he's more of an opportunist rather than a genius
"Relationship building" in today's world means potentially selling your soul and democracy for wealth. That's the type if relationship building I see today in the world.
I don't think it's even a new phenomenon. Some people will do _anything_ for wealth or influence…
I wish I was not so egotistical but I have BEEN SAYING THIS FOR YEARS. I told all my coworkers (who hated me for it) that Elon is a dork, and you can NOT underestimate how much dork's want to be 'cool' and be heard. I noticed it when he smoked on Joe Rogan's podcast. I had seen that behavior before. He is a smart person, but he is like a nerd that got bullied and they want so badly for the world to 'hear' them roar. It is not about free speech as much as it is about HIS SPEECH , and HIS feelings. The price for that means nothing, and it was obvious when he purchased Twitter. he has an agenda, and it is taboo to say what it is, but I called that shit years ago , lol.
Same, though I didn't make the political connection until early this year. It was apparent LONG before the results of the election, especially in the last 3 or 4 months, that it's not the monetary value of Twitter he was prioritizing, but the political and societal power of controlling the flow of information.
When Elon first bought Twitter, I already didn't like him, but I didn't *hate* him like I hate Donald Trump and other far-right power hungry maniacs. But this year, Elon really cemented himself among that group for me. I feel genuine shame that I used to think he was cool for SpaceX stuff -- and that was in like, 2016.
i dunno if I'd call him smart tbh. he makes himself seem smart by being CEO of big companies but he does none of the actual work
Elon like donald are all under the DOD. They just do as they are told. It is not now nor has it ever been a meritocracy. It is 100% a cronyocracy or a bro-opoly.
Buying the largest "left" wing, more importantly the largest independant journalist network of twitter and shafting it was always the point. What trends was already biased towards authoritive narratives over independent research. Now...
he's not smart. he's dumb (or he's very good at pretending to be dumb) and evil.
that being said I *am* surprised that people that spend time analysing his actions, noticing that he made an echo chamber (aka a propaganda machine) out of one of the most popular social platforms in the world, understanding that he has interests in creating such a machine, and are only *now* realising that the machine is working.
"Dork" is old school. It's like saying "thirsty" instead of "dehydrated"
You gotta use the modern phrases to get through. "Autism spectrum, narcissistic tendencies, maladaptive personal attachment"
His backstory is brutal. His dad is literally an apartheid mine Barron. Emeralds, not diamonds, but the same thing as blood diamonds.
He had no peers, no friends. Its rare for him to talk about his childhood, but bits and pieces have come out over the decades.
He used to wander around with emeralds in his pocket day dreaming what he could do with the secret wealth and the imagined power.
His father used corporal punishment (he beat up his sons). He hinted it was enough to require medical care.
Old man Musk also fucked and then married his own adopted daughter (Elon's adopted sister). Gods alone know how he treated Elon's mother.
Imagine how child Elon learnt to view men, power, women, marriage, family responsibility, work ethics, workers and their rights.
He really, really wants a father figure who gives him positive attention. Imagine the confusion of the favourite child being your adopted sister who is being groomed by your parent.
He left and never went back.
I did not even know about Henry Ford's antisemitism. Granted I went to school in Texas, but we were never taught this. Heck, we sang songs about him in grade school! "Thank you Henry Ford, for the dream that came true..." Now I'm just disgusted.
Nevertheless he made technique which destroyed Hitler troops.
Compare to Porsche and others
32:25 Elon did not electrify cars. Martin Eberhard electrified "luxury cars". Elon was just the guy with enough money to buy his way into the CEO seat.
And he made that money by being really bad at being CEO of Confinity and getting fired - but they didn't take away his stock holdings in the company so when it was renamed PayPal and sold off to eBay for billions, he made bank.
He's done nothing but fail upwards.
This is not true. Excerpt from Walter isaacson's biography on Elon Musk
Chapter 21: The Roadster: Tesla, 2004-2006
Cobbling together pieces.
One of the most important decisions that Elon Musk made about Tesla the defining imprint that led to its success and its impact on the auto industry was that it should make its own key components rather than piercing together a car with hundreds of components from independence suppliers. Tesla would control its own destiny and quality and costs and supply chain by being vertically integrated. Creating a good car was important even more important was creating the manufacturing processes and factories that could mass produce. From the battery cells to the body. But that's not the way the company began. Just the opposite. When producing their Rocket e-book, Martin Eberhard and Mark Tarpenning had outsourced the manufacturing process. Likewise, when it came time to make Tesla's first car, the Roadster, they decided to cobble it together from components made by outside suppliers. In a decision that would come to haunt Tesla, Eberhard decided the Tesla would get batteries in Asia and car bodies in England, and drive trains from AC propulsion and a transmission from Detroit or Germany. This was in line with the prevailing trends in the auto industry and the early days of Henry Ford and other pioneers. Carmakers did most of the work in house, but beginning in the 1970's the company spun off their parts makers and upped their reliance on suppliers. From 1970 to 2010, they went from producing 90% of the intellectual property in their vehicles to about 50%. That made them dependent on far-flung supply chains. After Eberhard and Tarpenning decided to outsource the building of the cars body and chassis, they went to the Los Angeles Auto Show, invited themselves into the booth of the boutique British sports carmaker Lotus, and cornered one of the executives. He was a polite British guy. And couldn't find a way to tell us to go away, Eberhardt says. When we were done, he was intrigued enough to invite us to the UK. They eventually agreed to a deal in which Lotus would supply a slightly modified version of the body of its sprightly Elise Roadster, and then Tesla would equip it with an electric engine and powertrain from AC propulsion. By January 2005, the 18 engineers and mechanics at Tesla had cobbled together by hand what was known as a development mule, a vehicle that could be shown off and tested before being put into production. To make a mule required a lot of hacking and slashing in order to jam our batteries and the AC propulsion powertrain into a Lotus Elise, Musk says. But at least we had a thing that looked like a real car. It actually had doors and a roof, unlike. The T0. Strabo got to take the first Test ride. When he touched the accelerator, it bolted forward like a startled horse. Amazing even its engineers. Eberhard's turn came next, and tears came to his eyes as he gripped the wheel. After Musk took his turn zipping around and marveling at the cars super quick but silent acceleration, he agreed to invest $9 million more in the company. Whose company? One issue with startups, especially those with multiple founders and funders, is who should be in charge. Sometimes the alpha male wins, as when Steve Jobs marginalized Steve Wozniak and when Bill Gates did the same to Paul Allen. At other times, it's messier, especially when. Seer, especially when different players feel that they are the founder of a company. Both Eberhard and Musk consider themselves to be the main founder of Tesla. And Eberhard's mind. He had come up with the idea and listed his friend Tarpenning, registered a company, chosen a name, and gone out and found funders. Elon called himself the chief architect and all kinds of things, but he wasn't, Eberhardt says. He was just a board member and investor. But in Musk's mind, he was the one who put Eberhard together with Strobel and provided the funding needed to start the company. When I met Eberhard and Wright and Tarpenning, they had no intellectual property, no employees, nothing. All they had was a shell corporation. At first, this difference in perspective was not a big problem. I was running SpaceX, Musk says. And I had no desire to also run Tesla. He was happy, at least initially, to be the board chair and let Eberhard be CE O. But as the person who owned most of the equity, Musk had ultimate authority, and it was not in his nature to defer. Especially when it came to engineering decisions, he became increasingly involved. Tesla's leadership team thus became an inherently unstable molecule. For the first year or so, Musk and Eberhard got along. Everhard handled the daily management of Tesla at its headquarters in Silicon Valley. Musk spent most of his time in Los Angeles and made visits only about once a month for board meetings or important design reviews. His questions tended to be technical, probing into the details of the battery pack, motor and materials. He was not known for gushing emails, but one night early in their relationship, after working on a problem together, he sent 1 to Eberhard. The number of great product people in the world is tiny, and I think you are one of them. They talked most days, exchanged emails at night and occasionally socialized. I was never his drinking buddy, ever, Hard says. But we were in each other's houses every now and then and went out to eat. Alas, they were too much alike for the buddy movie to last. Both were hard driving, high strung, detail oriented engineers who could be brutally dismissive of those they considered fools. The problems began whenever Hart had a falling out with Ian Wright, who had been part of the founding team. Their disagreements became so intense that each tried to convince Musk to fire the other. It was a tacit acknowledgement by Eberhard that Musk. Had the ultimate say. Martin and Ian were telling me why the other one is a demon and needs to be. Demon and needs to be thrown out, Musk says they're saying Elon, you must make a choice. Musk called Strobel for advice. OK, who should we pick here? He asked. Strobel replied that neither choice was great, but when pressed, he advised maybe Martin is the lesser of two evils. Musk ended up firing right. About the situation deepened his doubts about Eberhard. It also prompted him to become more. Involved in the management of Tesla. Design decisions. As Musk began to pay more attention to Tesla, he could not refrain from getting involved in design and engineering decisions. He would fly up from Los Angeles every couple of weeks, chair a design review meeting, inspect models and suggest improvements. Being Musk. However, he did not consider his ideas to be mere suggestions. He bristled when they were not carried out. This was a problem because the company's business plan called for cobbling together a body from Lotus and other suppliers without making major changes. We had planned to do the minimal possible modifications, Tarpenning says. At least until Elon got more involved. Eberhard tried to resist most of Musk's suggestions, even if they would make the car better, because he knew they would increase costs and cause delays. But Musk argued that the only way to jumpstart Tesla was to roll out a Roadster that wowed customers. We only get to release our first car once, so we want it to be as good as it can be, he told Eberhard at one of the review meetings. Musk's face darkened, his stare turned cold, and he declared that the car looked cheap and ugly. We couldn't have a crappy looking car and sell it for around $100,000, he later said. Although his expertise was computer software, not industrial design, he began putting a lot of time into the aesthetics of the Roadster. I had never designed a car before, so I was studying every great car and trying to understand what made it special, he says. I agonized over all the details. He would later proudly note that he was honored by the Art Center College of Design and Pasadena for his work on the Roadster. One major design revision that Musk made was to insist that the door of the roads should be enlarged. In order to get in the car you had to be a dwarf mountain climber or a master contortionist, he said. It was insane, farcical, the six foot 2. Inch Musk found he had to swing his rather large **** into the seat, fold himself into nearly a fetal position, then try to swing his legs in. If you're going on a date, how is a woman even going to get in the car? He asked. So he ordered that the bottom of the doors frame be lowered 3 inches. The resulting redesign of the chassis meant that Tesla could not use the crash test certification that Lotus had, which added $2,000,000 to the production costs. Like many of Musk's revisions, it was both correct and costly. Musk also ordered that the seats be made wider. My original idea was to use the same seat structures that Lotus used, Eberhardt says. Otherwise we would have to redo all the testing. But Elon felt that the seats were too narrow for his wife's body or something. I got a skinny **** and I kind of missed the narrow seats. Musk also decided that the original Lotus headlights were ugly because they had no cover or shield. It made the car look bug eyed, he says. The lights are like the eyes of a car, and you have to have beautiful eyes. That change would add another $500,000 to the production costs, he was told. But he was adamant. If you're buying a sports car, you're buying it because it's beautiful, he told the team. So this is not a small deal. Instead of the fiberglass composite material that Lotus used, Musk decided that the Roadster body should be made from stronger carbon fibre
@@jessestone117 Why on Earth would you re-type all of that!? And who are you expecting to read an entire book chapter in the comments!? 😳
@@jessestone117 I don't think youtube comments is the right place to be posting multi-page excerpts from books ....
@@JakeStine I suspected that would be the response. In responding to similar questions in the past, I've made succinct and concise claims regarding Elon's involvement. Then I get told I'm wrong and don't know what I'm talking about and to look it up. I figured why not just circumvent all of that silliness and jump straight to providing elaborate detail.
Great show in Denver last night Adam! So glad we went.
"He views the executives and employees as a liberal arm..." This is actually ANTI-LABOR. This is where we are really going with all of this.
Yeah and his cost cutting thing will backfire just like it did with Twitter.
Those sick of the toxic Elon machine- we on BlueSky Social ✌️
Do they remove accounts that don't tow the leftwing narrative? Like pre Elon twitter
Stay in cult blue.
BlueSky will work out as well as Threads 🤣
@@Midaswhale531 No harm in getting on both and seeing which one pans out
@montobers No one cares about Blue Sky or Threads both will fail ... I'm honestly surprised Meta is still hanging on to Threads by a Thread 🤣
He likes the Babylon B because it always "makes fun" of him in a positive outlook.
Bee headline: "We all know Elon is a genius, but does he really have to be so sexy too?"
This needs to be a TV series. Cast Elon here:
Ezra Miller
The takeover/transition of Twitter to Elon is a crazy story! Had no idea how bad it was, wow.
Would love a follow-up from these two in a year
Now that he owns the US government he'll pay those Saudi investors back with whatever power or government contracts they want. He's officially the 1st US oligarch.
How is that different than any billionaire over the past 100 years?
@@comradetrashpanda8777because they still had to go through some bureaucracy, Elon now does not
Rockefeller, Johnson & Johnson, Morgan, Brown Harriman, Soros, and the rest of Wall Street have been trying to own the federal bureaucracy for 100 years. Warren Buffett isn't an exception nor are Bill Gates, Zuck, and the rest of Silicon Valley mob. Shit, they might as well make AI run the govt.
Uhhh...no. That was Peyton Randolph...1st CEO of The Association Inc. back in 1774.
Reports from inside are already saying trump is tired of musk.
Edit to add: Two egos like that can not exist.
We should withhold our taxes
GM made an electric car in the 90s. The first cars were electric. Jay Leno has some of them.
It's refreshing to hear you guys talk about Elon for the conspiracy theorist he's become. Now that him/Trump have taken over the bro podcasts I was starting to feel like everyone is getting lost down the rabbit hole.
Musk is the main reason I won't buy a Tesla.
Plus I have a Bolt that I like, no plans to replace it soon.
The Ioniq looks neat too.
I bought an electric Nissan recently, and the dealer's forecourt was full of Teslas he can't shift because people are embarrassed to be seen in them. We might've considered one once, but not now. And I never see any new ones- all 2021/22. (Heard good things about Bolts too! Though I'm not sure if they're available in the UK)
Electric cars were in the pipeline well before Elon came on the scene. He has had a large part in popularising them and now most people are buying hybrids...from someone else.
Musk is no Henry Ford, who was actually a brilliant businessman. Leon is a poser.
The only commonality with Ford is the bigotry.
Musk is con artist and better compared to John E.W. Keely
Just got on Bluesky.
It's like Twitter but not owned by a Trump Troll.
How to tell me you are dumb.
@zacharythomas8617 lol at least I'm not on my knees for Trump. Hope every last drop tastes good to you.
@@zacharythomas8617bro if you can't see Elon's tomfoolery, you sir are the dumb one.
@zacharythomas8617 It will be so nice not having you on there 🫠
@@zacharythomas8617 I bet you think you're a Christian talking like that.
My only complaint is how he manipulated the algorithms to give his own voice and the people who agree with his point of view a higher priority over everyone else. That is not the free speech he likes to complain about. Of course his followers don't even understand what an algorithm is let alone know what it does.
That’s your only complaint? Not the moderation actually targeting liberals and letting Nazi hate speech run rampant? Not the unblocking of abhorrent people? Not the new block that isn’t a block so he can reach everyone who blocked him?
@@DefaultProphet No, that is free speech and you can choose to ignore those people yourself. But you have no control over what the guy in charge of the platform wants you to hear.
That is the difference.
Its true that he owns it and can do what he wants, but when he boots people that say shit he doesnt want to hear, thats not free speech. Hes so proud of being a free speech absolutist, but he absolutely is not one. Nazis and white supremecists and he has free speech, but not journalists that report on him negatively.@henrythegreatamerican8136
@ moderation is also free speech
@ Their “special protections” are a requirement for functioning. If they had to crack down even harder on moderation conservatives would be far and away the most moderated
34:47 Yes there is! Her name is Gwynne Shotwell and, outside of people that pay attention to the industry, she doesn't get enough credit for the success of SpaceX. She is the COO and actually runs the day to day there, Elon is mostly just the large picture vision guy at this point. Gwynne is widely considered the reason SpaceX has been so successful at delivering on Elon's promises. She had to talk him down several times from cancelling Falcon Heavy during development, which they had already signed huge contracts for payloads on!
And now that dude was just announced as new head for the "Department of Government Efficiency" by Trump.
What the hell?
DOGE... cant make this shit up
Grifters gonna grift.
It sounded a lot more scary before we found out it has no power. It's an advisory body due to make recommendations in the middle of 2026.
Maybe its reports will be impactful but, on the other hand, Trump might have handed the annoying kid a complicated toy to play with so he gets bored and wanders off
I feel he isn't going to last more than two years or be heavily restricted in what he can do.
@@kappadarwin9476 Either that or he is gonna reap a LOT of special privileges for his businesses and further approach the US to a Cyberpunk dystopia.
Vulture Capitalism by Grace Blakeley is worth the read and might be a person worth bringing on to speak to. This discussion reminded me of it. Happy reading - cheers
About the conversation at about 13.5 min into this... I think a big part of the equation is that Musk doesn't like answering to a board. He was briefly the CEO of Confinity, but constantly fought both the board and the employees until eventually the board fired him (after about six months on the job). Since then, he's been authoritarian about businesses he owns. He doesn't want to be told his idea is bad or needs more work; he wants to dictate policy and doesn't want it questioned. This is supported by all the reports that have come out over the years that have people who've spoken up being abruptly fired for their insolence. Like just earlier this year when he fired a bunch of SpaceX employees who said he was embarrassing the company.
I think we need to start a movement to label posts on X as "farts". Ie.. Elon farted on X today: "Blah, blah, bs, conspiracy theory, blah, blah"
I was so disappointed he didn't call twitter P. So everyone can P on each other
They're Xits. Or Xarts, if you prefer.
Sorry, Dave Chappell is not a good reader of the audience. his statements on trans people in his netflix special were legendarily shitty.
Twitter. Best known for politics, porn, and memes.
Brilliant chat thank you
Decent people need to boycott Twitter and Tesla.
It's gone too far. Today was a tipping point for many, including me. Our entire feeds were just posts from Elon. I don't even follow him
"15 grams of code." HAHAHA
SWEAT TOUR lessss go Adam knows what’s up
Great guests and discussion. I hope they release another book that would cover after the election.
The sink was actually prophetic: platform quality went down the drain....
a link to twitter in the description, but not to bluesky?
I haven't used twatter for over 10 years, maybe more?
Thank you Adam for your hard work!im in the UK and so sad A Ian red to home 🏠 to US 🇺🇸 and now torn on my kids living in USA 😢.
BlueSky is SO much better
The word oligarchy needs to be used post election. The corruption that comes with it is of major concern to me.
Adam, clearly you have to play the intern who has to frantically find a sink, and then gets summarily fired after the joke fails to land.
This was really interesting to finally hear the other side of the twitter fallout
Considering the new gov't appointment and this episode that shines more light on the 💩 show that was the twitter take over it's going to be a very terrible time to work in gov't and to live here
18:41 - the style of humor you're looking for, Adam, is "Beavis and Butthead." If Elon was Butthead, all of his jokes would make perfect sense in that context and the humor would be grand.
"X's are _cool!"_
"I'd like to be _hy on potenuse."_
I've been following Thunderf00t for years, and he has been calling out Elon for all of his overselling and stuff, only to be right EVERY SINGLE TIME. He recently posted a video explaining how now Elon is in power, the American economy, and the world economy therein will suffer for it.
Common Sense Skeptic is another one who's been calling out Musk's nonsense. He's a lot less vitriolic than Thunderf00t.
Thanks, now I have something to watch, the Chappelle moment... Then the time he broke the windows out of the cyber truck 😂😂😮😅😂
Hallelujah! God is still performing wonders. I'm positioning myself for such miracles. This is the best thing I've seen today on TH-cam-thank you so much!.540k earned so far.
To be successfully in life one must take risk, investing brings success that’s why the rich will never come out in public to tell you how they make their money
*_The crypto market has been unfavorable for months and I keep losing my money selling-off during dips, I'm very scared of holding right now, how do you guys still make so much….?_*
So nice to see noah rachel talked about here,her good works are speaking already, and like wide fire she's spreading.
Greetings from Mexico. This is my best season, have enjoyed it like never before since I started this journey with Mrs noah . God bless you Mam
Waking up every 14th of each month to 210,000 dollars it's a blessing to I and my family... Big gratitude to noah rachel
I'm imagining Conger trying to explain Musk's sense of humour in a twitter thread and ending it with "Thank you for coming to my TED talk."
America has an illusion of choice between political systems that are each controlled by the same oligarchy.
You prob exaggerate the role of twitter in us election
Bluesky!
An oligarch buying an extremely popular media resource with a loss. How stupid... oh wait
I think the biggest thing to get out of this is "Elon didn't understand..."
Democracy spliced with capitalism (You are free to choose (what to Buy)) has been the perfect vehicle for what we are going into now: no holds bar tyrany of business men. Those behind the curtain are front and center as of Trump
44:30 that sounds so awkward id be mad if i got a call like that while in that type of position
Kate losing it at 15 grams of code was great lol
Elon is the ultimate example of you have to be dumb to be good at business.
Plus no reflexion on human values
not necessarily dumb just lacking in empathy, though Elon is definitely not the brightest bulb. (and I would say it depends what you mean by successful business)
It all makes sense now. His entire philosophy is to do what he wants and when someone tells him he can't he demands they answer "why not?" That's the whole schtick. Its the same strategy an ill behaved toddler would use, but as a rich guy he's protected but not bound by the law so it has continued to work for him since he was a toddler.
"What if we bring him in and make him our friend?" That is the Camel's nose under the tent.
.Thanks.
I love Spindrift!
Rumours of Musk's intelligence have been greatly exaggerated.
1:01:04 This is how you know that Elmo is a sociopath.
Look up Snout Cedar. He might just change your life. He did mine.
Glad I followed your advice. I am SOLD. 😂😂
Man... This video has helped me realize that... after the election Elon just isn't cathartic to laugh at anymore.
He's only depressing and sad.
And where did Elon borrow the money from to buy Twitter? Let that sink in. And no, he didn’t use his own money (of course).
Nice vid
lol how the tables were turned
If you could add more saturation would be great
Can you do a post election follow up discussion lol
Literal 'Let that sink in' is pretty funny, you got to admit.
A sink standing outside reminds me of this comedic short my classmate made, back in the early days of TH-cam. The climactic scene showed a disabled Xbox opening the bedroom door to find him cheating on it with that promiscuous homewrecker PlayStation. All to the soundtrack of 🎶 "Without You" by Harry Nillson. 🙃
Your Twitter or X or whatever. Only you care. Twix has always sucked. Eff it all.
Modern business advice is move fast and break shit that's what he does. It's a 2 steps forward one step back approach that on average works out in the long run
The "deeper power that Musk holds over us" is quite easy to explain.
He inherited a lot of money.
There were explosions just months ago...
I teach at a workshop for adults with developmental disabilities, a lot of them equate Elon to a real life iron man...
I've also talked to people who genuinely think the AI robots were not controlled by humans...
Unfortunately we dont all see Elon the same way
Unfortunately he's been really good at marketing himself as a techno pioneer of sorts, even though he's just a leech
0:58 reports are already saying trump is tired of Musk. 🤣
plug-in hybrid is the best for improving environmental impact then EVs.
Bicycle, man
Interesting
I did meet my wife on twitter but that was before Elon bought it so he doesn't get dating app credit
As long as you are a billionaire, you can introduce new ideas before the deadlines/actualization of old ideas occurs, and there is no accountability; time is money: billionaires aren't socially beholden to deadlines...yay capitalism
I call it Xitter.
Hyperloop.... rocket commuting...
"In the Trump era.." LOL
I can't say I enjoyed that video but uhhh.. thanks anyway?
I bet Elon got the sink himself.
Game Grumps? :O
between the 20th of january and the 1st of february the unite states will sign a 1 trillion dollar agreement to swap all cops car to teslas !
Just to green , you know ....
So they'll be even more ridiculously expensive than they already are? Wow, fiscal responsibility as interpreted by the GOP at its finest.
Funny because cop cars are bought by local government moron
@@a.humanbeing8171it wouldnt be a good agreement without the billionaire to get even more!
adam conner is messiah of the new world
Maybe it's just because I'm listening not watching, but kate, my dear, I'm getting to the point I'll have to rewatch this and count how many mhmmmmms 😂
Literally give me Yahoo Politics Chat over this limited format. Its better than any algorithm you have now
OMG cult 😮
It's x now. We can't keep calling it Twitter. Just move on to bluesky
I downloaded my archive last week before shutting down my account and the .rar file I got was still named Twitter so and so.rar
Once you open it it still refers to posts as Tweets, etc. Nothing's changed. I think Elon must have fired the people who could change that.
@@gmenezesdea I think my point went completely over your head, buddy. I am not talking about how the software is referred to by internal account downloading scripts. I'm referring to the social media platform that used to be one thing as Twitter but, today, is something else, under Elon, as X.
Twitter was one thing. X is full of bots, crypto, porn, conservatives going viral, liberals not, and misinformation.
Wrong Elon will end up in prison
You're delusional if you actually think this is true 😂
Just like trump...oooh wait
@@Midaswhale531 No less delusional than those predicting that Fauci and Obama will end up in Gitmo. 🤷
I want you to be right so badly.
My god, this lady uses so much vocal fry she burns my ears.
Vocal fry? What is that?
First lol
Second 😂🎉
Nice
Isn't this the guy that went on Rogan and couldn't defend his own stupid beliefs and kept asking to change the subject?
Don't bring right wing grifters to our leftist bubble, you'll make us throw up
I'm the 140th view