Analyzing Evil: Johan Liebert From Monster
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Hello everyone and welcome to the one hundredth episode of Analyzing Evil! Our feature villain for this video is Johan Liebert from Monster. I hope you enjoy, and thanks for watching. If you have any feedback or questions feel free to let me know below!
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I got a good one for you Light Yagami A classic case of when genius turns to madness and how the path to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Bro, reupload this video with "100th episode special!" In the title, for your own sake!!
It will benifit your channel, and I wanna see you succeed because your content is legit
The creepiest thing about Johan Liebert is that, despite all of the horrible, pointless things he does: He doesn't even enjoy it. He's like that scorpion who stung the frog ferrying him across the creek, it was just weirdly inherent to him on a level mere psychopathy and sadism could never explain.
The man needed a hobby.
He needed a reason to be alive, he wanted unconditionnal love...that's what made him so relatable despite his horrible crimes...
@@afrosamourai400 the fact that someone relates to this force of evil really bothers me.
@@user-et7qc4kx8c i relate to him because i perfectly agree with his philosophy..life makes no sense and people's lives are meaningless...except for religion there's no reason to not kill..
@@afrosamourai400Not trying to be rude at all but In all seriousness why dont most nihilist just off themselves? If you truly do not care about life and see no point why do you even bother to keep living? (Btw i don't agree with your philosophy at all but I am curious about what keeps you living)
@@afrosamourai400 edge…lord
I can’t believe Johan actually managed to get his own episode. He is one of my favorite villains ever.
If johan can't be on this channel then no one can lol
He would be neo nazi of west deutschland if Tenma didn't stop him
Tell me this movie on TH-cam ?
bro Johan is the GOAT
@@joezar33 if you are asking about the anime then it's
Naoki urasawas monster
It’s very powerful how Johan feels present in literally every moment of Monster, even though he doesn’t actually have a lot of screentime.
He's like the Devil. Everywhere he passes, his evil corrupts...
i agree, i felt the same way about makishima in psycho pass, even though he probably has more screen time than johan.
@@XD-ly7fp still haven't watched that one, i'll give it a go!
@@YukonJon starts out a bit slow but bear with it and i think you’ll find a lot to love about it 👍
This is precisely why I think he's a weak villain. It's all tell and little show, in other words he's all hype. He doesn't live up to the hype, not even close.
His legend left far more in its wake than he did
Johan's relationship with Tenma is fascinating, because he's trying to prove his nihilistic philosophy by breaking the soul of the kindest man he can think of. The one who saved him from death, not once, but twice.
On top of that, he has fascinating parallels to Grimmer considering how they were both warped at a young age.
But while Grimmer is an example of humanity persevering even when someone's mind is destroyed, Johan is the opposite. The key difference between them, is that Grimmer tried to be a kind person.
Thank You for the 100th Episode!!!
It’s kinda the ultimate question. Is life worth living despite all the pure evil in the world?
It is interesting to see the parallels in Monster that makes us question nature vs nurture among other themes: the main one is of course Johan and Anna, but also Roberto and Grimmer as it is implied that both came from Kinderheim 511.
Perfectly said! The manga clearly showed that being evil or good was a choice, dieter, grimmer and ana went through the same horrors but chose the good side...johann was just a lost soul who needed a reason to kill people and the fact he wanted tenma to kill him and become evil is just the proof he knew the difference between good and evil..and wanted the only man he respected to suicide him.
@@spencerfoote6977 Yes.
Grimmer was something else man lol
A friend of mine said it best " I think Johan is probably the only villian that could scare Hannibal."
Hannibal would lick Johan's feet
I honestly think if Johan was a real person he would be able to send chills up the spines of people like Mao and Stalin just by being in there presence.
*Hannibal Lector reads about Johan Liebert*
Lector: JESUS CHRIST!
Hannibal would be completely fascinated by Johan. I don’t think he would be scared. More than anything else, Hannibal(Mads Mikkelson’s version in particular) wants to find someone he can see as an equal. Johan is that, even if Johan might have little interest in having a relationship that isn’t purely transactional. I suspect Johan and Hannibal would both see one another as entertaining projects.
I'd read the hell out of that fan fic
my favorite detail in monster is how Johan is attached to children simply cause he sees them as empty and easy to manipulate while Tenma believes children have infinite potential and carry the bright future, that small detail between the two shows how contrasting they see the world and what makes both great antagonist and protagonist.
also like to point out the ending so spoilers:
Johan's downfall being that of a miscalculation, the love and fear of a father to protect his son from a monster which something Johan never experienced and understood.
Johan couldn’t of known the child was going to be there, or that he would have to point a gun at the child to force the MC to shoot him. Therefore, drunk papa 360 no scoping Big Bad Daddy Demon Johan wasn’t a miscalculation. Johan wanted MC to kill him. His miscalculation was MC has Jesus levels of forgiveness.
I don't think it was a miscalculation. Johan after all of that wanted to die that day. His greatest pleasure would making someone as pure as Dr.Tenma into a monster. A person who saved countless lives become a monster and kill somebody
@@BountyRogueCinemaxthat’s what the comment said , the miscalculation he referred to was that drunk father who shot him
"I was born in a town straight out of a fairytale, many people died. My other half and I held hands and walked" I LOVED the writing in monster, idk why but i had a feeling the author spent many sleepless nights thinking about the plot and characters. Johan is easily in the top 5 manga/anime villains
Naoki Urasawa is amazing at dialogue, character building, and story telling. I highly recommend any of his other works if you loved Monster
He also doesn’t put out chapters upon chapters. He puts just enough to tell a compelling story and keep it consistent throughout unlike most manga.
To me he is THE best villain of anime/manga. The only who comes close is Griffith.
@@canwegetmuchhigher729 agreed Johan > Griffith > other anime villains
@@John34bruh Facts
Vile Eye + Johan Liebert is the crossover I've been waiting for since day 1
Same here
Wouldn’t it be Vile Eye + Monster?
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Oh same. I’m so hyped
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johan wasn't crying because of the hardships ahead, he was crying because he was supposed to die but Tenma brought him back to life.
No lol
Why did he think he was meant to die then? Was it guilt? A result of pure nihilism? Both?
@@chrisjackson1889he wanted the “perfect suicide”, like in the ‘Nameless Monster’ he wanted to be the only one who remembered is name.
He cried because his sister reacted badly to seeing him again
@@abitofananimator5716 nah, Nina is a bigger part to Johan's character and motivations than you are led to believe.
The fact that the manga/anime where Johan Liebert appears is called "Monster" really serves to show what he truly is inside that seemingly normal appearence. And the fact that a Johan can be walking around among us makes this absolutely terrifying.
As Naoki Urasawa made this manga at time, when serial killers were pretty fresh topic to public opinion and people much more wanted UNDERSTAND them. Unlike T.O's DEATH NOTE, that much more appeared later, when mass murdering topic replaced serial killing and with tragedy like WTC, people just wanted to STOP it. Also part of them started to glorify killers, so STOPPING became more important, than UNDERSTANDING.
Reason why in (spoiler) MONSTER ending Johan as if disappear, bringing finally doom at himself, not truelly giving us many answers over his reasons...
When in DN Near explain, pretty much, how any reason in fact is UNIMPORTANT explanation, as it ends with common human deciding of themselves, being gods. 🤷🏻♀️
I can make a very unfunny and done to death joke here…
Oh he’s a sociopath that doesn’t look like a sociopath and it’s more frightening when evil can cloak itself with normality, Wow that’s so insightful.
@@jekkijekster I guess you could say Yohan is rather
Sus
@@eternalindifference3483 but the manga also shows that there are people who went through same experiments without becoming monsters such as dieter, grimmer who was friend with roberto, nina who was a pure soul
The manga also stated that johan was evil before kinderheim 51
Johan is the only manga/anime antagonist who has ever given me actual chills. He is absolutely terrifying.
You should read Golden Kamuy, First Lieutenant Tsurumi in on Johan's Tier
I will vote him if he's politican of my country.
What about Griffith?
@@nicokrasnow1851 finally someone is talking about Lt Tsurumi
smoked a joint while watching the last 2 episodes , I remember it was deeply terrifying experience , I got goosebumps the entire episodes 😂😂😂😂
Johan HAD empathy. That’s why he was so in tune with everyone around him, enough to deconstruct their base values, tweak them in whatever way he seemed fit.
He had empathy but could disregard it.
He embodied the golden rule.
He is a dark empath.
what is the golden rule?
@@evertonalmeida8097 don't do to other what you won't want them to do to you...or the reverse.
@@evertonalmeida8097Do to others as you would have them want to do to you
there's a difference between cognitive empathy and 'real' emotional empathy. people with ASPD/NPD are excellent at the first but deficient in the second
Johan is so scary because despite how smart and well connected he is, there's no real way of ever understanding him or why he does what he does. He's not just evil, he's blank.
In other words, he's a fictional character that makes no sense and could never exist in the real world
only traumatized suicidal people can understand him, cause those people have seen the final landscape Johan talks about
@@JD-mz1rlI feel like someone like him could actually exist.
@@JD-mz1rl there are 8 billion people. Millions are born into a life of misery, there are people like Johan among us. Most definitely in the poorer parts of the world.
@@PintoConrad no
FUCKING FINALLY. I sincerely hope you all enjoyed this as much as I did - as a horror geek, "Monster" and "Another Monster" are the gold standard as far as J-horror is concerned.
In terms of story telling 100% and id add Junji Ito as golden standart for the artistic form of J-horror
J-horror?
@@rajyavardhansingh4491 Japanese
If you are a fan of the writer check out 20th Century/21st Century Boys and Pluto. Fantastic reads.
I remember seeing this as a kid and I remember the sniper scene. Some humans really are built differently
Johan Liebert is without a doubt one of the most fascinating Villains in all of fiction. He almost doesn't feel like a character but like an actual real life person that you know has existed. And Monster is a whole is just such a masterpiece its actually disgusting how good that entire story is. Whoever hasn't checked it out yet is missing out so much.
If he really does understand the darkness in others, then he does have some degree of empathy. What he lacks is compassion. And that’s the most terrifying thing. Like Thomas Harris wrote, the scariest type of person is one with a lot of empathy but no compassion.
That's the thing. I think Johan has empathy, but, at the same time, he's a nihilistic misanthrope. That's why he seems like a psychopath to most people, because he doesn't see value in their lives.
Quick psychology lesson from a stupid layman: When people talk about sociopaths/psychopaths lacking empathy, they don't mean unable to understand their mental states in any capacity, but the inability to understand them in an emotional or intimate manner, emotional empathy basically.
To them, your sorrows may as well be nothing beyond a problem with the brain.
I fail to understand the difference. Compassion isn't same as empathy? Doesn't it go hand in hand
@@saumya7922 If by compassion you mean sympathy, then yes, empathy and sympathy aren't really the same thing.
If you have compassion/sympathy, you would be upset at someone feeling hurt naturally via empathy(you know emotionally and understand emotionally that they are hurt). Though empathy and sympathy are very similar and may be inextricably linked, they aren't 100% the same thing.
you mistake affective empathy with cognitive and therefore lack both, and can learn neither.
I do appreciate how each year Monster gets more recognition. Been a fan since middle school
I just watched it earlier this year and have been recommending it to everyone. It is sheer brilliance on so many levels.
I’ve still yet to see it, but I keep seeing good things. Def checking it out this weekend.
@@31webseries Same I watched it a few months ago and it's so amazing
@@RealityIsBae you're gonna love it
It should be as popular as Death Note it's just as great and one of the best animes/shows of all time
Johann's penultimate goal is to conclude the nameless monster story - to be devoured by another monster of his own creation, one who would under no other circumstance ever commit an evil act. He fixates on Tenma for this purpose. Tenma is different from the other people Johan manipulates, who are either evil or are complicated characters with some underlying darkness in their hearts already.
So, Johan Liebert is The Joker's origin lol
Monster holds such a special place in my heart. No other peace of media has shown me how deprived the human condition can be. But there’s also just such heart warming moments that makes me love humanity. I know it’s all cartoons made by 1 man to many, but it’s so much more to me.
Tbh I feel like it’s about the only anime that would transition to live action REALLY well. Cmon Del Toro!
Monster is everything humanity can be, the good the bad and the ugly...
Monster is basically already written like a live action mystery thriller series or a crime novel. There is only one section I can think of that would not translate well into live action: the one where Johan disguised himself as Nina. Even if the actors could believably look like each other, the voices would be an issue. The audience would instantly know it’s not Nina, and the reveal would be ruined. Either that or they would have to use Nina’s actress for those scenes, and it would not be believable.
Yeah, Johan and tenma do a great job showing the both sides
@@mihaialexandrufilipache8096 i feel like they've done that sort of thing before though. And can easily be fixed in post as well if all else fails
@@cryptid1697 I just feel like every alternative I can think of when it comes to Johan imitating Nina's voice would break my immersion by being unrealistic. They could try to do those scenes without having him speak much until the reveal, I suppose.
Holy shit I've been recommending Johan for months, now its finally here and it just so happens to be the 100th episode, this is amazing!! One of the most complex anime villains that most people misunderstand entirely believing all his actions and killings were out of nihilistic philosophy when everyone killing was his own twisted way of protecting his twin sister.
Anna was set up from the beginning to become The “Monster” given she was the one who actually endured the experiments. Her tendencies are shown in glimmers throughout the show. The heartbreaking twist to it though... is that the only reason why she DID not become the beast, was because SHE ( unlike Johan ) HAD KNOWN REAL UNCONDITIONAL LOVE.
-Johan’s love and sacrifice is what kept her safe from the darkness he knew very well. He got his hands dirty to shield her. He chose to leave her behind in the care of her foster parents, knowing she would forget him, in order to heal.
He chose her than himself over and over; becoming her shadow; choosing to lose his only attachment to his already weakened identity in order for her to heal.
His love for her is why she never became a monster...and tragically, why Johan had.
Which reflects exactly what Mikhail Petrov (whose real name is Reinhart Biermann) said about his "PROFOUND DISCOVERY" concerning his current experiment on the children he had in his home; he said the children did not become animals because he gave them LOVE.
The adults in their lives thus far would betray them, torture them, hurt them, throw them away- and forcefully separate them. In his severely abused mental state, any adult figure was a potential threat to his and Anna’s safety. So he’d kill in order to runaway from "the monster" and protect Anna. Then when Anna found out about the blood on his hands that fateful night the Monster paid them a visit, he realized that now he had become someone Anna feared - a different kind of Monster but all the similar to the one they were running from.
So he rationalized that now he needed to die.
In that moment, I think we should focus on his body language and expressions. Johan faced the ground. hardly picking up his eyes. His shoulders were sunken and he did not have that menacing little smile he usually had. Johan has killed in secret various times with Anna and back at Kinderheim.
So why was he so messy with the Lieberts?
Because he did not want to kill them - he said HE HAD TO.
It was not a calculated murder, because he was not truly calm and collected; He was afraid.
Lets not forget who Johan was up until that moment: the infamous little boy who provoked an entire riot and massacre by simply opening his mouth. With mere words he was able to sway the adults and children into doing what he wanted. BUT IN THAT MOMENT when Anna caught him red handed, he could not, or rather, would not - try and manipulate Anna.
there's more in this reddit post: www.reddit.com/r/MonsterAnime/comments/ttihlh/everything_johan_did_was_for_anna_a_monster/
When I started reading this post, it did kinda felt like a post i read on reddit.
Glad you gave the credit
What's sad is that people who have never watched Monster claim Johan to be a bad villain because nothing is ever spilled out, and then claim Light Yagami from Death Note is the best because it's what they saw. I then tell them that Light Yagami is a prideful little brat who loses his cool when he doesn't get his way and has to rely on a magic book to accomplish most of his goals. Meanwhile Johan never loses his cool and relies on his own intellect.
@@neonnwave1 also, death note is way too on your nose about every single shit happening on the show, like we aren't stupid, plz you don't need to spell out every fucking thing happening.
But in monster, hoho boy, the subtlety is so masterfully done...
I mean i can't even explain how wonderful the subtlety of that anime/manga was...
People unironically think Light Yagami a better villain than Johan??? LMAOOOO they cant be older than 14.
@@zahubshahid7944 Mentally probably. But no. Most are in their 20s or 30s, who were probably 14 when they first saw the anime (which came out 16 years ago).
I have been waiting for this for a long time
Perfect for 100th episode
Greatest villain ever
I felt chills
SAME
What, in my opinion, makes Johan one of the best villains would be that he isn't some demon, he doesn't have supernatural or otherworldly powers, he doesn't use magical items or weapons, he can't summon mythical beasts... instead, he is a master manipulator with high intelligence and creativity. He is one of the more realistic villains; he could easily be a cult leader or politician in our world.
I think it works out well in the plot that he is so often compared to Hitler. The way that people talk about Hitler is often in such away as to make him seem not human, something else. But it is more terrifying to realise that he wasn't a demon, or some boogey man or monster, something other than human, something with supernatural powers. He was just a man. A man is capable of such terrible things.
A guy who can easily convince me to give in to my depression and vices just so he can watch me jump off a bridge is truly a monster.
One of the most compelling villains ive seen in fiction
8 minutes into this video and I feel so much sympathy for Johan and Anna... they were tortured since the day he was born.
*they
28:03 This is a small detail that the anime got a bit wrong. The last panel of the manga is up to interpretation, implying that Johan either escaped, that he committed suicide, or that he is still there in a coma and Tenma imagined the whole conversation. However, it can also be interpreted as you said that he is only an allegory about the nature of the Monster itself and that Johan as a person doesn't exist.
The anime makes it more straightforward: it shows the window open and the breeze entering. In the manga, you only see this final frame of the empty bed. Even the sequel novel, Another Monster, is incredibly vague about Johan's whereabouts. While I love the anime adaptation, I think the ambiguity of that last shot is what makes it scarier: you don't know if the Monster is still out there or not.
What's funny about this is how much it reminds me of the ending to Halloween. Johan's relationship with Tenma is just like Dr. Loomis and Micheal. Tenma is very much so like Loomis in all the best ways, and now I'm sure you can't unsee that.😂
Him changing clothes and being somehow perfectly ambiguous in his sexuality makes his disguise as his sister feel very Norman Bates like.
His relationship with his sister is like Clarice and Hannibal Lecter, including some of his origin.
Targeting children is very much a Freddy Krueger like motive, if not Pennywise. Especially with the children book metaphor about the nameless monster.
Having the essence and presence of a fallen angel is very much like Damian from the Omen.
He's got a strange fixation on pain and suffering that could make him into a glutton like Frank Cotton from Hellraiser.
He has a strong need for asserting his belief in nihilism like the Joker and Moriarty, while not enjoying like they would.
He is also treated as more of a force throughout the story when being mentioned like some legend/myth, much like the best of villains in this category: Sauron, Tyler Durden, Colonel Kurtz, and Morgoth.
There are many other similarities that make me wonder of Urusawa had taken inspiration from American literature and cinema when crafting the perfect amalgamation for the monster as it were for his story.
The sequel kinda just straight up shows he’s alive and the monster in him in kicking the though we only find this out from a drawing of him
@@manuelmoralez2257 According to Another Monster, he is still in a coma, allegedly. It's left ambiguous if the new Monster is Johan or not, as it is implied that is a big conspiracy to create more like him.
@@cellperfecto421 from what I understood it’s mix of him and others of his influence as revealed from the drawing revealing his planning
So I like the idea of the “monster” jumping people like a infection from johan
@@manuelmoralez2257 Yeah, but whether is him or someone else using Johan's image to create other monsters is left ambiguous.
i dont really think you can say he has "no empathy". id say he has no empathy for everybody except for his sister, he cares deeply for her and he even made her own experiences and traumas his own, thats like next level empathy
Precisely. Johan has empathy, the thing is that he's the epitome of nihilism, so he finds life itself worthless.
He has empathy but he uses it for a different purpose
I’d argue the only two people Johan loves are Tenma and Anna. Johan was definitely cruel to Tenma, but he and Anna were the only ones he wanted to live. And in a weird way, his desire to show Tenma the world he saw was a fucked form of love. He wouldn’t even grant Roberto, his most loyal servant, that.
I have waited long for this video from you. Grabbing the popcorn
Yo, The Masked Man here?
Dang I am early cool seeing you here
This is a amazing video
Ayy look who it is 😂🤣 my man.
First watching the show years ago, I couldn’t imagine how evil Johan would become but it gradually made sense the further you watched. Such an amazing and thrilling antagonist.
It had to happen sooner or later, and quite appropriate that such terrifying villain (that many of us requested multiple times) was the subject of a milestone episode.
Regarding the final actions of Johan towards Dr. Tenma, I do not think that he actually wanted to be stopped. The way I have always interpreted, is that he wanted to force Tenma to kill him and thus abandon his principles in the process: by doing so, Johan would have proved his point of absolute nihilism by having such a good man to ultimately give up on his beliefs in good actions and the sanctity of life.
So ultimately he would be even less in touch with humanity than how interpreted in this video.
I think the same, he wanted to do the same thing nolan joker did in darkknight...this also shows he knew the difference between good and evil...but he chose evil.
Finally you did this, Johan is my favorite villain in all of fiction and literally is the definition of pure evil. Keep up the videos man!
Was he really pure evil tho?
@@afrosamourai400 no no he’s a great man yk
🤓
@@popeisyiyi1613 you mean he is redeemable?
Calling Johan redemmable is like saying Hitler can be forgiven
@@Anonymous-xq5cs it was a joke big man
I just want to say how great the diversity of media you cover is. I was excited when you covered Better Call Saul, my favourite show. Then your last video on Baby Jane which is one of my girlfriends favourite films, and now one of the best written anime of all time.
Johan is the kind of person that would scare Hannibal Lector into hiding
hannibal destroys this clown
@@lifeangular62610 Did you watch monster? I just want to know
@@hebatalal2004 yes, hannibal brutalizes him. watch basically anything that has hannibal in it and youll see why
@@lifeangular62610 okay , I'll watch it , thank you 😊👍🏻
But don't call Johan liebert a clown of you want people to watch Hannibal, thanks
@@lifeangular62610 Hannibal probably starts to eat himself lol
I'm glad you covered Johann Liebert, because, as much as he's one of the best villains ever, he raises so many questions on what a monster is. I feel one of the most interesting moments is when he says to that woman (name I forgot) that she was a worse person than him. Like, no matter the atrocity Johann commits, there's always be someone to one-up him, either intentionally or not.
It's nigh impossible for someone to be an absolute monster. Everyone has a line they will never cross, even if it's just for pragmatic reasons. Betraying and/or killing a friend or family. Killing people for no reason. Raping. Lying. Killing someone that you are indebted to. Brainwashing.
Griffith and Johan man. Have to be some of the most incredible villains across any medium. Both hugely responsible for my love of manga/anime.
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@@D_Owo no
@@D_Owosatire?
@@ThePizzaCatIsGod nah
Along with Morgoth, Darth Sidious and and Amon Goeth, Johan is one of the most evil and twisted characters to be featured into this channel. Behind every action he does there is no empathy, no understanding, no single altruistic desire to better anything; just the single-minded intention to unmake humanity and everything it represents.
Exactly, there aren’t many people in fiction that are 100% evil with no redeeming qualities what so ever. But those few you mentioned are definitely on that list.
The difference between johan goeth and sidious is the fact that johan unlike these two never enjoyed killing, had no hatred for his victims or obssession with power..
@@afrosamourai400 I see what you mean, but I think that he did take some amount of pleasure killing. This can be seen when he offers Richard the bottle of whiskey and flashes a smile.
@@afrosamourai400 Johan had a sadistic smirk when facing a child that turned insane.
I’d argue that Johan had empathy, just he was able to ignore it. He used his empathy to manipulate people more effectively.
i think it's also interesting to note that severe stress before and/or during pregnancy has been noted to cause psychological issues in children including personality disorders eg aspd. I wonder if Johan took on the brunt of Viera's hatred and suffering.
One of the most evil evils in media. Happy that you're finally covering him
Monster will always have a very special place in my heart. Hearing people talk about it makes me very happy.
Johan is one of those unapologetically evil characters that is very rare sight in manga. Not over the top where it verges on edge lord territory, but not so underwhelming where he's forgettable.
Johan is a threat. And you feel that, even when he is off screen. And on screen your anxiety skyrockets in his presence.
Wow the hundredth episode has finally arrived. You came a long way Mr vile, keep up the good work!🥳
Personally, more than his final confrontation with Tenma... I found his reaction to Nina forgiving him and what he said right before he was shot in the head again very striking since he, in that one moment across all of the story, acknowledged that he really shouldn't be forgiven. That some things just shouldn't be forgiven.
That look on his face as he said that was just plain heart breaking.
not at all. he wanted to escape, and he cant. only a sociopath would think otherwise, sociopath.
@@alexanderleonardi3625Sociopaths are not known for their empathy.
its because it must have really hurt him to see his sister forgive him despite all he's done. and I think his sister forgiving him was the last straw which ended up making him use the gun against Wim to basically force tenma to kill him.
Well done on making it to 100 episodes!! Not every channel can say they put this amount of work into their craft while maintaining being intriguing in every video like you do
16:49 To be honest, Johan ain't the type to be arrogant, at least from what I've seen, because he lacks an ego and a sense of identity. He is a lot of things, but i don't see him as the prideful type.
You were the first author I thought of to make such video after I've seen Monster the first time 2 years ago. Finally this day has come, THANK YOU !
I want to see this guy, Anton Chirguh, The Joker and Hannibel Lector having a discussion trying to break one another
The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
I feel that Johan will win this
I wanna see who would cry first
johan would just start another massacre
Simply the greatest villain in manga and anime, he did what Griffith wasn't capable, transcending his impact on being a memorable villain beyond the niche and format of japanese comic book art style and writting, Johan is simply one of the greatest villains in fiction
And a fun fact, the Japanese voice actor of Johan is the same of Tetsuo from Akira, the dude voices 2 iconic villains in anime(with one being considered one of the greatest villains of cinema)
GODDAMN!
So nice to see Johan make his debut on this channel! For your 101th villain, I'd love to see you talk about Cruella De Vil from the 101 dalmatians movies, which I think would be a fitting pick
I just finished reading the series last week, this really helped clear up some stuff I didn't fully understand. You're videos are fantastic!
Johan Libert is, in a literal and metaphorical way, a complete monster and one of the most heinous villains ever made in anime/manga
I never saw a villain better than him...in any fiction
I don't get the hype
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@@afrosamourai400 I don't get why people talk about him as if he were the worst ever.
I've never seen the anime or manga, so what is it so horrifying about that guy?
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ It's impossible to explain it to someone who hasn't read the manga or seen the show. You should 100% read/watch it, it's an amazing story
Congrats on 100 V.E. honored to be apart of the journey 🙏. This is some of the most insightful knowledge I've learned this year and what a video for episode 100. I'll have to check out both the manga and anime
To me one of the greatest villains in TV history. This series is so incredibly good
What about Major from Hellsing or Griffith from Berserk?
A+ video man. This is THE video I've been waiting to see since I subscribed and you nailed it. The one thing I loved about this manga was the dichotomy between Dr. Tenma and Johan. Tenma could do no wrong, while Johan could only burn down everything that surrounded him. Each gained allies to their side through this manner with Tenma using his medicine while Johan used coercion or manipulation. Even at the end Johan had an army of nameless/faceless men out there armed to the teeth willing to fight to the death for him. Who were they? Former police, manipulated innocents, neo nazis? All were just tools to be used by Johan at anytime with but a whisper.
I've just realised this show is guetting more popular these last years, one of the best anime ever and Johan is definitly the best antagonist
I will never get tired of watching videos analyzing Johan, such a fantastic villain.
This is literally in my top 3 manga, to see it being covered by you is surreal. Great work Eye!!
I'm so happy to finally see Johan on this amazing series. Monster as a show is truly one of the most fascinating and gripping stories I've ever seen, asks so many interesting questions and is a masterclass in interesting side characters.
Really good! Can't wait to see Vile place Johan in the updated tier list of villains. Also, congratulations reaching 100th Analyzing Evil video!
It is proven with HL joker and Johan liebhart, the ultimate test to check if a villain is terrifying is they can cross dress and still give chills.
You should definitely cover Judge Holden from Blood Meridian. One of the best villains in all of literature. He’s a renaissance man, a philosopher, an adept marksman, a master diplomat, huge, pale, hairless and has a childlike appearance to him. He revels in war and treats it almost like his own religion with him as the harbinger. My favorite quote from him, and also my favorite quote from the book goes like this:
“It makes no difference what men think of war. War endures. As well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here. Before man was, war waited for him. The ultimate trade awaiting its ultimate practitioner. That is the way it was and will be that way and not some other way.”
I really really hope you cover him because he’s an enigma and one of the most terrifying antagonists of all time.
Here’s a clip of the passage I referenced above if you’d like a taste: th-cam.com/video/etOkZ6YBAZY/w-d-xo.html
I second this, Judge Holden is perfect for this channel.
War is God.
I'm surprised the Judge hasn't been on this channel yet!
He never sleeps. And he says that he will never die.
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From your content, you don't seem like you watch a lot of anime or read a lot of manga. I'm impressed that you watched/read such a long series just to cover the villain. Adding this to watch later rn.
Congratulations on reaching your 100th episode this is why I subscribed to your channel. This video analysis on this iconic/terrifying villain is long long overdue. You should do a review Michio Yuki from MW a villain similar to Johan.
Yessss! I love Monster. Johan is one of the most fascinating and frightening characters in all of fiction. You did an excellent analysis and breakdown of his character here.
Finally the character analysis we've all been waiting for!
Please do Zolf Kimblee from Fullmetal Alchemist next!
Good video, I always struggled with The Nameless Monster tale and a few other factors regardless of how much I watched or read, but you really did a great job at explaining things!
Incredible work, you touched on so many aspects I never thought during my first watching of this anime, but you seem to have missed one of the ingredients that I noted the most after finalizing Monster, that is the mother's choice when she was subjected to choose between Nina or Johan. Here is my theory that could add to the explanation of Johans character. Mother choose Nina over Johan, but she didn't know they had swapt their clothes and appearances, thinking she was choosing daughter when in reality she stayed with Johan. When I tried to imagine that happening to me, I came to this results that probably went through Johans mind.
"I (Johan) was rejected by my mother, but I stayed with her, I maintained being as a creature, but I was rejected as my identity, and instead my mother accepted me under the false person. The fact that this made the closest person on earth to me, to reject who I am, accepting whoever I might become except me, then this world does not exist (like that desert) since I as identity don't live here, the world were I know that mother's love is gone, and rather, I'm a being able to simulate others identities, something that might have saved at least my sister's identity when I played her identity, and surely false identity saved my life. So what's the point of my previous identity if it was useless ? Everything I might do now doesn't matter, as this won't be related to my destroyed identity to who I was, so I'm dead person in a living world that is dead. I doubt I need to reach the desert, I'm just showing that I'm already in that desert (this thought might have been created during that desert moment). So what can I do as no one? Maybe take everything from those who have the identity that are responsible for taking my, and making my mother reject me? Well, I can, after all, my sister suffered from them."
Well, from here even darker path might be made in his thoughts after suffering journey he had. I'm telling this because when I saw that episode with mother's choice, I was very shocked because somehow I managed to feel and see Johans picture with emotions - it was like abyss. The feeling that now I can't remember that well, but one can only imagine how hard this might be for a child, so this without a doubt traumatized Johan to greate extend. What I felt there really made me understand that Johan really saw the horror of being rejected by the one who you loved, thus I consider this moment a critical in his development to a monster he become. "After all, what am I if my mother rejects me ? Maybe a monster she doesn't want to see, a good reason to such action, so I'll be the one she identified me."
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"I'll be the monster. My mother considered me as a monster, yet I stayed with her (in reality under the Nina persona), she allowed to stay with her, so that's what she wants, she wants me be a monster, so this way she doesn't reject me ?" (This might expaling why Johan never tried to find to kill his mother to what she had done)
When Tenma saved Johan, why didn't he kill Tenma like those elders that tried even adopt Johan and Nina? My guess is this:
"Tenma saved me. He doesn't know me, so he saved me as no-one, he saved me, a monster. Even more, he choose no-one above the powerful authority, the authority who he knew by what was his status. I must thank him, he gained my respect (for choosing no-one over authority). Just like my mother, he choose me not knowing who I really am" then Johan killed those in the power who tried to wreck Tenma by choosing a child. Now, I think that in some point, Johan started to want and testified Tenma whether Tenma would try to save someone for who Johan really is "I'll murder, even the children, will you then still try to save me? Will you accept to help a monster now that you know I am such? Or wouldn't you save the child back there if you would know that that child was a monster?". My thought here is that Tenma by trying all that time trying to save Johan until their last encounter, made occure next thing: Tenma in the end saved Johan from being monster, maybe even killed the monster created by Anna, as Tenma proved to Johan with his actions, that he wanted to save Johan from what he was, as Tenma probably understood that Johan was a victim who need to be saved from what he became. Tenma didn't want to kill Johan, he wanted to stop him, to stop the monster, and I presume that it's something deep within Johan himself that wanted for someone to save him, hoping that Tenma would endure Johans horrors as Tenma proved to be trustful after choosing over authority, proving to be a man considering that life is something above authority or names. And Tenma did that the second time. First time Tenma saved no-one, second time Tenma saved Johan under monster disguise. The only thing I have no ideia, is, how bullet-damaged brain affected Johans thoughts or actions (that damage 100% affected him, I dunno how).
You don't defeat Pure Evil with a greater Evil, you defeat it with Pure Love, the one thing Johan had never felt from anyone but his sister.
Ever since I watch Monster I became very fascinated and sad by Johan character. I develop a huge sense of empathy for Johan to the point I could not see him as horrifying monster that he proclaim himself to be.
Instead, I see him as a truly broken man that wanted to die and bring death to those that are responsible for making him the way he is.
This is true and at the same time he killed innocent people who did nothing to him, massacred a whole village, even sent killers to his sisters and used kids as pawns or human shield...he was a broken heart who wanted to die, he only cared about tenma and his sister.
" bring death to those that are responsible for making him the way he is."
No he just liked bringing death to anyone.
Johan was a horrifying monster since he cruelly manipulates and corrupts others, often with no apparent end other than to cause suffering and destruction for his pleasure
@@sarveshnathan7559 Johan's orginal plan was to bring the end of humanity but when he discovered his past, he completely changed his motives. Now he just wants to kill those responsible for his trauma as he realizes that he is not the "monster" he originally thought he was. Then commits his ultimate suicide while trying to cement the idea that he is a "monster" to people like Tenma. Johan doesn't do anything for "pleasure" as you say. He's basically trying to show how insignificant humans are including himself.
@@sebastianyoshikage6352 One thing about that confuses me is why didn't he kill Schuwald then if he wanted to completely erase himself from existence since Schuwald knew who he was?
Glad you made a video on Johan Liebert. I was also one who requested an analysis video on him almost a year ago. Johan Liebert is definitely one of the greatest villains in all of fiction.
Fantastic video Vile! Great analysis and very interesting breakdown of Johan’s motivations and philosophy
Excellent video. Big fan of your work, man. I’ve always been more of a villain than a hero guy as I find them much more interesting. I’d love to see an analysis of Andrew Detmer from Chronicle. Keep up the good work!
Been enjoying this channel and this series for a while now. No one does a better job breaking down and exploring these characters. The Tony Soprano one killed it. Keeping a Vile Eye out for whatever comes next dude.
@@stairwaytoheaven8 LOL Just stop talking, Tony is evil. Done deal.
@@stairwaytoheaven8 No my head is full of them in every way, but it certainly took all of your ONLY ones to come up with such a bad response back to me.
Amazing projection you got there. Don't throw your disabilities onto me or anyone else.
The fact that you actually think I have to make an argument on how Tony is evil, and NOT a good guy, is embarrassingly sad on how you can't see the obvious vices of all his criminal acts.
Next you're going to tell me I need to make an argument for why the earth is actually round and not flat to persuade you, right? Just lol.
It's not my fault you can't see the obvious here at all and need someone to break it down for you.
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No my head is full of them in every way, but it certainly took all of your ONLY ones to come up with such a bad response back to me.
Amazing projection you got there.
The fact that you actually think I have to make an argument on how Tony is evil, and NOT a good guy, is embarrassingly sad on how you can't see the obvious vices of all his criminal acts.
Next you're going to tell me I need to make an argument for why the earth is actually round and not flat to persuade you, right? Just lol.
It's not my fault you can't see the obvious here at all and need someone to break it down for you.
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The hypocrisy is STRONG with you isn't it? Nothing I've said came even CLOSE to "pAtheTIc PRIDe" in the slightest at all as I'm just retorting BACK to the nonsense you've said to me and somehow that comes to "pAtheTic PrIDe" for you? Uhhhhhhh not even close no. But it's clear that you're talking about yourself here, not me.
And lol with this "so you resort to insults like a petulant child."
LOL Are you for real? You say this but whose the person whose first response to me was talking about my brain cells? Oh yeah, that's right, it was you. No one else. None of my comments contained "insults" intill you said "insulted" ME first and now I'm throwing everything you've said back at you to make you realize you're not making any sense.
It's bafflingly on how you don't see that you're only talking about yourself here and EVERYONE here can see it.
"Keep trying, you may be able to convince yourself that you said something of value."
I don't have to "convince myself" at all, anyone can see this entire situation objectively and KNOW that you're not making any sense here.
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The hypocrisy is STRONG with you isn't it? Nothing I've said came even CLOSE to "priDe" in the slightest at all as I'm just retorting BACK to the nonsense you've said to me and somehow that comes to " PrIDe" for you? Uhhhhhhh not even close no. But it's clear that you're talking about yourself here, not me.
And lol with this "so you resort to insults like a PC."
LOL Are you for real? You say this but whose the person whose first response to me was talking about my brain-cells? Oh yeah, that's right, it was you. No one else. None of my comments contained "insults" intill you said "insulted" ME first and now I'm throwing everything you've said back at you to make you realize you're not making any sense.
It's bafflingly on how you don't see that you're only talking about yourself here and EVERYONE here can see it.
"Keep trying, you may be able to convince yourself that you said something of value."
I don't have to "convince myself" at all, anyone can see this entire situation objectively and KNOW that you're not making any sense here.
In one of the episodes Lunge said that if a person leaves no evidence of their existence then he/she is a monster
But
In the end we can clearly see evidence of him laying down on that bed which means he is no longer a monster
YES! My favourite villain and arguably the best in all of anime. Great job, Vile. Congrats on 100 episodes. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to 100 more.
I’m not sure I can name a personal favorite villain, but Johan is definitely a contender. And as far as anime villains so far the only anime I’ve seen are Monster and Attack On Titan(haven’t read the manga for either) so I haven’t got a very big selection.
It's been a long time coming. Just like Dr. Tenmas journey. Johan is such a perfect villain. Great video as always.
One of the most terrifying anime/manga villains because he's just a human but also a monster within
loved this, thanks man you are my favorite channel on this platform
I actually love the fact you have done one of my favourite anime villians ever made thank you so much
This is that OG Vile Eye material! Congratulations on EP 100!! 🙌❤
Ive read the manga three times and seen the anime twice. The second time i watched it with my brother we went through it all in just 3 days. It's so interesting how Johan has become a symbol of evil in media while barely appearing in the show.
Johan is the closest depiction of a anti-crhist figure in media i can think of.
He should participate in politics. I will vote his party if he was in Düsseldorf.
Why, though?
I've never seen the manga nor anything related to it. What is it that makes him so evil and demonic?
@@Δ-Δ-Δ-Δ It’s a bit hard to explain in just a comment. Johan is a character that comes across as extremely charismatic and normal enough to pass off as someone you could meet in your everyday life. Under the mask though he embodies pure nihilism and no regard for human life. He was even recruited by a neo-nazi group to become the new “hitler” since they thought he was that kind of figure. Just ended up murdering all of them with just words and manipulation
That’s just a small part of it, but usually when you see villains in media they are bombastic, self centered and over the top. Johan is someone that’s grounded in reality yet isn’t, even managing to manipulate serial killers on a whim. It’s hard to explain but he’s someone you’d find to be terrifying to meet in real life.
It’s been a while since i last indulged in Monster so i’m sure there are better in depth explanations out there
i have been waiting on this for SO long johan is my favorite villain EVER i’m sooo happy you did i vid on him
Omg i have been waiting this for sooo long, thank you so much!!!
That choir harmony at the beginning of Monster opening is 😚👌
i finished watching Monster last week. Nice!! Looking forward to this video!
WOOOOOOOOO ive been waiting for this since i found your channel and boy am i stoked!
This manga/anime to me is more of an in depth analysis of the human mind (or human nature). It looks into so many different characters, all so real and all so flawed. Absolute masterpiece.
I'm glad you finally did Johan! Allow me to share my thoughts, I love this series so much. So anyway, Johan is a blank canvas and as such people can project anything on him that they want him to be, from cold blooded murderer, to amazing leader or a mastermind of crime.
Johan's technique involves a social influence that exploits all the vulnerabilities of the “mind” and “heart”. This is different from normal manipulation techniques since it exploits not only the psyche of the victim but also its “heart” and at the same time, also harder to use than others since it takes more time than the normal methods. He looks for people with cracks in them, and he drives a wedge into them and manipulate them until they finally break. What people think is interesting is what they perceive to be their wants or sometimes, needs. These misbeliefs are what blinds people, making them accept such delusions, and prohibits them from searching their true desires. Through insinuation, innuendo and cleverly arranging circumstances, Johan was able to plant ideas in his victims' minds. Let's find out how he was able to manipulate someone like Roberto.
People wants someone who understands their feelings. Someone who they think knows what they are going through. People don’t want their feelings to be told to them. When they want to be understood, they avert their eyes from reality and escape from the problem. This is exactly the time when the manipulator should show them that he/she understands them, and we've seen Johan do that to his victims. Several accounts of manipulation tie its moral status to the fact that it influences behavior by methods that seem analogous to how one might operate a tool or a device, like how Johan treated Roberto or many other people. Johan is interested in reasons not as logical justifiers but as causal levers. For Johan, reasons are tools, and bad reasons can work as well as, or better than, a good one. It's also possible for someone to manipulate others without them even realizing it like Roberto for example [I've seen Roberto exhibit signs of Antisocial Personality Pisorder (ASPD) or Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) throughout the series] but it is also possible that they are very aware of their behavior and how it affects others.
Roberto came from 511 Kinderheim, an orphanage that uses Depatterning and Psychic Driving ECT to create tabula rasa, then corrupting and reconfiguring the subjects using spontaneous social cognition as a psychological mechanism to facilitate inhumane acts to try to 'rewrite' their personalities and turn them into cold-blooded soldiers. Due to Dissociative amnesia, Roberto was unable to recall important personal information. In the event of psychological trauma, our human minds can literally block out the repatterning function of a specific recall as a defense mechanism, but with the help of Johan, he was able to remember the one thing that he loved the most (hot cocoa), sensory memories are far more powerful when it comes to remembering than just simply trying to think, Johan simply used that to his advantage.
In other words, his methods and techniques are feasible.
I also find Johan's brainwashing method to be interesting, he can find out a person's foundation of ego - their identity just by knowing where they live. When they imagine the place where they reside, they use their living space as a starting point, and think of roads and places as they relate to their location, and when given an actual map of the place they live, they'll most likely see their neighborhood as the center. In the very center of their mind, just like the map, there lies the foundation of their ego - their identity.
But, suddenly their coordinate axis is removed. There is no meaning to this center, there's a much more appropriate center for their heart. This is the reality of what we call brainwashing. And when a human being's mental axis is removed and they are lost, Johan will gently and carefully entrap them with words, not giving them an opportunity to think, offering them a new place to live. Human beings follow the instructions of whoever furnished them with this new home... they become surprisingly docile.
Isolation is a key element because it deprives the target from social reference points, except the ones of the brainwasher. The target will face deprivation, malnutrition and even the potential of physical and psychological harm, these methods dull the mind of the target and destabilize their judgement. Johan must go through three stages of brainwashing in order to be successful. 1) Breaking down the self. 2) Offering a possibility of salvation. 3) Rebuilding the self.
But you can't just manipulate and brainwash anyone, Johan finds people that are already amenable to breaking and breaks them, as it’s easier to do it to that sort of person compared to doing it to someone who is more well put together.
This was great been waiting to see a Johan episode from you nice job man
Thank you for making this video, I’ve been seeing pictures of this character but never knew what show this was from, just found this channel
No idea who this is and never heard of this show but I'm so happy for you reaching 100 episodes that I'm gonna watch it anyway. Congratulations, man!
If you can find the anime, I absolutely recommend it. One of the best written manga/shows I've ever seen. It's been almost 2 decades since I saw it and it still remains one of my favorites because the story is genuinely chilling and haunting.
It's been years since I watched Monster, but I remember truly loving the story and being shocked by how evil Johan is
My jaw dropped when I saw this pop up. Thank you for covering him.
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME! THANK YOU!
Happy 100th!! You make some of the most interesting original content on this platform thank you!
Why, knowing Johan's character for YEARS I literally SQUEELED seeing this notification?! 😳
Yooooo
Edit: also incredible that the show is able to conjure up this sense of almost cosmic/supernatural dread surrounding Johan, who is ultimately just a single man, is a testament to the writing
My other interpretation of that ending is that Johan, through his second brain injury and the final act of absolute kindness from Tenma (the only person besides Nina he seems to have any feeling towards), he is cured of some of his monstrosity. As Lunge said when he saw his utterly empty apartment “this is the apartment of a monster.” Johan left no trace of himself wherever he went. And yet, now we see his imprint in an empty bed. And it’s not meant to be horrific. He is once again, just a man.
Congratulations on 100 videos. You’re one of my favorite channels and I stop and drop everything when you release a new video. To 100 more!
Yall dont know how long ive been wanting this video. THANK YOU
Hey, I saw you have been analyzing evil with some video game characters and I was wondering if you'd consider doing one from the children - especially the main antagonist - from the game Rule of Rose. Showing how cruel children can be when they are given power is something that almost fascinates me.
Finally some love for my boy Johann.
I'd love you to examine Judge Holden from Blood Meridian. By far the most terrifying villain in literature.
this is now one of my most favorite videos on TH-cam. thnx vile
I’m so hype, I actually asked for this a long time ago on one of the vile eye’s videos and now here we are…. Further proof that he pays attention to his audience. Thank you for this.