As a generator technician that genset may be a bit too small for that building. I would recommend a larger unit to account for spikes in building load and for future added loads as well. It would be nice to know the building load in the next video. Good video I like it.
I had this almost exact same scenario. We installed a load management system and they kept getting g throttled down and they ended up having us come back to put in a 26kw
I have a question. Do you break down your bid at all for the customer, what you're charging for your journeymen labor, materials, markup, etc? Or is it just one number for the total price?
99% fixed contract price. I have had jobs where it would be i.posiblento do fixed fir example an aerospace company with 60 year old machines with no labels.....being extreme. What state are you in?
It has to be a mistake. That’s at least a $6,000. To cover O/H in a 6-man show with a shop (not working out of your garage), trucks, insurance, non-billable hours, etc… you have to be charging at least $100/hr per man (in New York, where everything is more expensive, it would be closer to $150/hr) so for what he is saying is 48 man-hours, you’re already looking at $4,800. His number of $1800 equals the hourly pay of 37.50 - which is a typical rate for a mid mechanic electrician (we don’t use the term “journeyman” unless your IBEW which I don’t think he is because those guys wouldn’t be making a lot more than $37.50). A lot of estimating systems will have you use that number for the labor units of each part, with parts (along with the parts wholesale cost) being incorporated into assemblies. Your takeoff sheet will consist of assemblies such as a conduit runs, panels, outlets, generator come-tos, etc… Then its all added up and THEN you place your overhead and profit margin on top of that. But that doesn’t seem to be what he’s doing here, unless the customer is providing all the materials. Perhaps Jeff can elaborate because I’m sure there’s a lot of young eager minds that want to understand. Anyway, I’ve looked at/tried all different kinds of Field Service Management software. Sure, they are not estimating systems, and you’d still need one. He’s using an estimating system we call KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid). That’s great if you have the knowledge and experience he has and you’re working small jobs where no one needs CPM -related progress reports, cost tracking, estimated time to completion, and my favorite: the “can you break it down” request, and on and on… Field Service Management (FSM) software seem to really only be good for HVAC contractors where you have a lot of service calls that the service writer can reasonably predict what the difference outcomes will be. Not in this trade where a service call is always an adventure! Another thing that keeps me buying any FSM software, are the field apps. Lets face it; lot of guys in the trades today are ESL. It’s hard enough to get some of them to write something understandable, let alone enter the right part number or trade name. None of the half-dozen FSM suites I’ve tried have the facility that allow field guys to write a proper work record report with the ability to easily enter line-item materials for our front office to bill off of (or at least cost track on unit pricing and maintain a record of all materials ever installed on a job). If some developer came out with such an app - especially able to access the parts database from Quickbooks Desktop for the guys to pick list off of - that alone would be worth $6,000/year. Integration with QB Online doesn’t cut it. QBO sucks; without QB Desktop Integration it’s a game-breaker.
I got 3 guys the first day, and a single journeyman the second. It's only 7.5kw so 30 Amp circuit. Cake walk. Everything else provided. Hardest part will be transfer switch wiring. I agree on the 6k comment. Especially if we went to #6 or larger. This can only handle 4 circuits.
Follow some of my videos where I walk you thru how to price these jobs. This is a nation wide company that I would love to get as an account. I go pretty low (about 10%) margin on the first job, once they see price and quality are good. Usually, after that, I'll be #1 on their vendor list since I know the facility and Gen install. Then, go regular pricing for all service and emergency calls. How do you guys do it. Kill it on every job or build up long haul clients? No right or wrong it depends on your business style. I always look for the long term relationship. I know for a fact they are looking for a goto Electrician.
No troll. I’m trying to figure out which CRM to use myself and couldn’t tell if you were digging on people who use jobber because field pulse is better. But in another video you were promoting jobber as an amazing CRM. So I was just confused on that and may have misunderstood your jobber comment in this video.
@@benjamincamping8134 thanks for clarifying. Both are amazing CRMs. Yes we are currently using Jobber. I don't promote anything I wouldn't use myself. That said it was more of a "what's best for my audience" move. FP is amazing but entry into the software due to cost was being a hindrance. I checked out the alternatives and balancing price (good entry points with growth capabilities) ease of use (if it's too hard no one will use it) and robust integration (gos tracking, QB integration etc.) Jobber scored about the same. FP better at longer projects Jobber slightly better in everything else. Check out both for sure and use my link for Jobber trial so if you sign up I'll invite you to join a free webinar on all things Jobber. Thanks - Jeff
I loved seeing the software! The bid was easy and smooth. Thank you for the great content!
Thanks for watching and the support! Where are you tuning in from?
As a generator technician that genset may be a bit too small for that building. I would recommend a larger unit to account for spikes in building load and for future added loads as well. It would be nice to know the building load in the next video. Good video I like it.
I 100% agree I keep letting them know. Well see what happens.
Where are you tuning in from? Thanks for the support!
resi/comm sparky here, would love to see this install being done, as well as before and afters!!
I'll put it up if they accept. We low balled it by 1k to get the relationship so well see what happens.
low on labor costs but 100% profit on materials
Bro I love the shirts, could you tell me where you got them or what style they are so I can look for something similar?
Head over to www.Thesportshirt.com make sure you let them know The 360 Electrician on TH-cam sent you. Talk to Greg.
BTW thanks for the support, where you tuning in from?
I had this almost exact same scenario. We installed a load management system and they kept getting g throttled down and they ended up having us come back to put in a 26kw
I warned them like 5 tines 4 on paper so I have no problems going back. What state r u in?
Love it when customers buy equipment before meeting the electrician
I always got 14k minimum due to reliability
And labor cost is basically the same
If you get the job, PLEASE do an update video. Pls.
Will do for sure.
I have a question. Do you break down your bid at all for the customer, what you're charging for your journeymen labor, materials, markup, etc? Or is it just one number for the total price?
99% fixed contract price. I have had jobs where it would be i.posiblento do fixed fir example an aerospace company with 60 year old machines with no labels.....being extreme. What state are you in?
I don't see how 1800 covers your labor and materials. Maybe that's just materials?
1800 was materials, looks like 2k was labor and profit. There will also be some profit baked into the 1800 for materials.
It has to be a mistake.
That’s at least a $6,000. To cover O/H in a 6-man show with a shop (not working out of your garage), trucks, insurance, non-billable hours, etc… you have to be charging at least $100/hr per man (in New York, where everything is more expensive, it would be closer to $150/hr) so for what he is saying is 48 man-hours, you’re already looking at $4,800. His number of $1800 equals the hourly pay of 37.50 - which is a typical rate for a mid mechanic electrician (we don’t use the term “journeyman” unless your IBEW which I don’t think he is because those guys wouldn’t be making a lot more than $37.50).
A lot of estimating systems will have you use that number for the labor units of each part, with parts (along with the parts wholesale cost) being incorporated into assemblies. Your takeoff sheet will consist of assemblies such as a conduit runs, panels, outlets, generator come-tos, etc… Then its all added up and THEN you place your overhead and profit margin on top of that. But that doesn’t seem to be what he’s doing here, unless the customer is providing all the materials. Perhaps Jeff can elaborate because I’m sure there’s a lot of young eager minds that want to understand.
Anyway, I’ve looked at/tried all different kinds of Field Service Management software. Sure, they are not estimating systems, and you’d still need one. He’s using an estimating system we call KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid). That’s great if you have the knowledge and experience he has and you’re working small jobs where no one needs CPM -related progress reports, cost tracking, estimated time to completion, and my favorite: the “can you break it down” request, and on and on…
Field Service Management (FSM) software seem to really only be good for HVAC contractors where you have a lot of service calls that the service writer can reasonably predict what the difference outcomes will be. Not in this trade where a service call is always an adventure!
Another thing that keeps me buying any FSM software, are the field apps. Lets face it; lot of guys in the trades today are ESL. It’s hard enough to get some of them to write something understandable, let alone enter the right part number or trade name. None of the half-dozen FSM suites I’ve tried have the facility that allow field guys to write a proper work record report with the ability to easily enter line-item materials for our front office to bill off of (or at least cost track on unit pricing and maintain a record of all materials ever installed on a job). If some developer came out with such an app - especially able to access the parts database from Quickbooks Desktop for the guys to pick list off of - that alone would be worth $6,000/year. Integration with QB Online doesn’t cut it. QBO sucks; without QB Desktop Integration it’s a game-breaker.
Electricians aren’t the best spellers 😂. Amen brudda! Thank god I have my wife to handle the spelling.
I got 3 guys the first day, and a single journeyman the second. It's only 7.5kw so 30 Amp circuit. Cake walk. Everything else provided. Hardest part will be transfer switch wiring. I agree on the 6k comment. Especially if we went to #6 or larger. This can only handle 4 circuits.
Follow some of my videos where I walk you thru how to price these jobs. This is a nation wide company that I would love to get as an account. I go pretty low (about 10%) margin on the first job, once they see price and quality are good. Usually, after that, I'll be #1 on their vendor list since I know the facility and Gen install. Then, go regular pricing for all service and emergency calls.
How do you guys do it. Kill it on every job or build up long haul clients? No right or wrong it depends on your business style. I always look for the long term relationship. I know for a fact they are looking for a goto Electrician.
7.5 sounds awful small for that commercial building
Yeah I keep telling them that. It's only for lighting and 1 or 2 receptacle circuits. Still I'd do min 10kva.
Did he just throw shade at jobber? I thought he’s endorsing jobber now? Lol
No troll. I’m trying to figure out which CRM to use myself and couldn’t tell if you were digging on people who use jobber because field pulse is better. But in another video you were promoting jobber as an amazing CRM. So I was just confused on that and may have misunderstood your jobber comment in this video.
@@benjamincamping8134 thanks for clarifying. Both are amazing CRMs. Yes we are currently using Jobber. I don't promote anything I wouldn't use myself. That said it was more of a "what's best for my audience" move. FP is amazing but entry into the software due to cost was being a hindrance. I checked out the alternatives and balancing price (good entry points with growth capabilities) ease of use (if it's too hard no one will use it) and robust integration (gos tracking, QB integration etc.) Jobber scored about the same. FP better at longer projects Jobber slightly better in everything else. Check out both for sure and use my link for Jobber trial so if you sign up I'll invite you to join a free webinar on all things Jobber. Thanks - Jeff
@@benjamincamping8134 We've been with Jobber a year now.
Brooooo