OFFER SHEETS ARE BACK
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ต.ค. 2024
- Big Nhl news today - Edmonton oilers st louis blues offer sheet is the first one (two, really) we've seen since jesperi kotkaniemi carolina hurricanes montreal canadiens 2021 , and before that was sebastian aho two years prior. Dylan holloway philip broberg signed offer sheet from blues , oilers now have 7 days to match, but it's not gonna be easy with the looming leon draisaitl contract extension talks and connor mcdavid not too long after. This is some pretty big edmonton oilers news and honestly st louis blues news their retooled young core of robert thomas jordan kyrou jake neighbours could really benefit from this. For all things nhl hockey including news rumors highlights reactions recaps rankings and breakdowns , please consider subscribing. Will provide an update on if stan bowman edmonton oilers match the broberg dylan holloway offer sheets . Nhl 2024
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God damn if Darnell Nurse didn’t exist, Edmonton could actually build a defensive core.
I agree about his contract but doesnt mean hes a bad dman, if he was getting payed 4-5m he would be looked at wayy different
😭
@@GodBlessTheFlamesno, it means he's a bad dman when he's like a clumsy moose and gives us all a heart attack everytime he has the puck near the Oilers' net. That's what makes him a bad dman. Not to mention he had the worst +\- of all players in the playoffs. Not to mention his eyes fill up with self-righteous indignation whenever anyone calls him out for it. I mean, I feel bad for the dude, but that doesn't mean he's not a bad dman.
No way the Oilers match Broberg 4.5M dollar AVV, but Holloway is gonna stay
They will.
This is the solution. Let someone overpay Broberg, keep Holloway
honestly i think they were only going for Broberg but they also went for holloway just to fuck over edmonton and their cap and to guarantee they get Broberg and if they get Holloway its just a bonus lol
@@JonahCarter-yf7bothey need to
@@NooBeRGoDthats not good. Where u gonna find another broberg? 6’4 212 and skates better than anyone on that d core?
Holloway staying. 2.1 isn’t crazy for someone with promise. 4.5 is crazy for someone who hasn’t done a lot other than the playoffs this year
They’ll keep Holloway for sure, he’s worth a 3rd.
Broberg would be tough to lose, I’m sure they were banking on replacing Desharnais with him.
For sure a fairly big loss though they picked up Josh Brown presumably to fill that 6th D-man Desharnais void. Similar playstyles
They need broberg more
On the one hand, pay-day for broberg and fair contract for Holloway but on the other hand, St. Louis.
fuck the boos
Well, this ruined my morning. Thanks guys 😢
Can't wait for the oilers to offer sheet dalibor dvorsky in a few years
Well to do that they would have to have the cap space, the draft pick, and the biggest thing is he would have to be available. The reason this happened is because the Oilers neglected these two guys and left them out there til mid August all while signing these other guys back in July. If Dvorsky has any kind of potential he'll never even make it to being an RFA.
Bowman will destroy the oilers.
Very small sample size, but it looked like Broberg was going to be Oscar Klefbom 2.0 😢
So you mean a soft, offensive defenseman who only played in the offensive zone?
@@NooBeRGoDcan’t argue with you but let’s not drag Klefs name through the mud after what happened to him 🫡
@@homielander5924 softer than babyshit
@@homielander5924well said buddy, well said 🫡
This will not bode well for my Oilers.
Match Broberg as he was proven that he was special when he stepped in playing with Nurse from round 3. Holloway is replaceable and Oilers added Skinner and Arvidsson, so id let holloway go. Throw Kane on LTIR, hes 100% gone after this season anyways
Oilers don't have the cap space for it. Holloway is cheaper but there's a good chance both leave
It's like Christmas in August
@@headintheclouds6935 Holloway is replaceable, Broberg isn't.
If one things for sure, it's the division of what us keyboard GMs would do in this situation
Kane is reportedly going on ltir as of 2 hours ago that opens up enough cap space to match both offers
Broberg at 4.5 a year is a gamble the blues can take. not one the oilers can
This is war between Oilers and Blues. This is a dick move that many teams avoid. Broberg is who we really need. Skating is what does well. Oilers need both.
I am sure when McCloud and Vinnie were moved/let go, Oilers assumed Bro and Halloway were part of the team, so no worries. As an Oilers fan im mad at management for not signing them sooner, but honestly, if they would rather go to St.L for a payday over a chance to win in Edmonton. Bye, I wish u the best. (This is a in the moment emotional response so dont judge me too harshly. Lol)
I am not sure how this works. Do the players have a say. Can they refuse the offer sheet? If so, is the offer sheet announced only after the players agree or do they also have a week to bluff saying they will take it and then refuse it at the last second and go back to unsigned with the Oilers?
@@darpompie4354 Players do have a say. They can decline the offer sheet and we likely never here about it. In this case both players have agreed and signed the offer sheet meaning the Oilers now have a week to match the offers. A theory I heard was that the Blue's were talking with Broberg's and Holloway's agents since July 1st so both players simply refused to sign new contracts until the offer sheet was finalized.
@@thaneoffife6904 Ahhh... That makes sense. In that case, they are both too young and naive to realize that you don't get too many chances at a cup and to play with great players. They decided to play the short game. Take what you can get now and hope for the best later. Reality is, they will regress on the Blues and their next contract will be much lower than they would have got if they stayed on the Oilers. A net loss and no cup for them. A lot of UFA's come to the Oilers to sign a one year deal cheap so that they can pump up their stats and make a payday on their next contract. These kids did not establish themselves playing with the best players in the league to earn even half of what they were offered, good luck to the players and to the St. Louis organization. I see a lot of frustration ahead for both parties.
Would have liked to keep them both and continue their development with high end talent, but at those dollars, I also say "bye, I wish you the best". Oilers need to worry about winning now and resigning the stars we have. This will allow the oilers to have cap space to get a couple of proven players. I heard Toews wanted to try out for a PTO. rather have him then Holloway for a year we are going for the cup. Maybe, there is also a good D man that wants to sign cheap for a year to go for a cup. This may be a blessing in disguise by giving us some cap room down the stretch with the added bonus of some draft picks.
This! 🙌🏻
@@thaneoffife6904I wouldnt want to play for stan bowman either.
Broberg had a great few games in the playoffs. Don’t think he’s worth more than Bouchard @ 3.9. Tough L on the back end. That nurse contract is killing the oil.
that Broberg contract is insane
Thats a rock and a hard place for sure, we need dylan's depth at forward and he was developing nicely. I'm pretty confident he stays, not sure what an offer sheet really means at the end of the day is'nt it the players decision? or are there player's union rules that say you have to take higher offer? Again confident dylan stays if it's his decision but broberg tough to say, does he wanna go to a rebuilding team or try and win now? If he stays and wins a cup he can punch his ticket anywhere he wants to go. At 4 mill per season not sure if the oilers would match broberg, but the need on the oilers is more for him then dylan sadly. Well it's time for Stan Bowmen to shine and think of a way out of this mess, thats why we hired him right? I'd prefer to keep both if possible but not at that price.
So the way this is all works is that both Holloway and Broberg have already signed these st louis offer sheets, meaning oilers have to match the price on said offers, or the players go to st louis. St louis and the players have shown all their cards, now it's on edmonton to decide what happens next
@@GettingHyphy ok, got it thanks for clearing that up.. I was'nt sure by what he meant? offer sheets? or they SIGNED the offer sheets already.
Yes please, 🤗
but thats just me all up in my feels.
Too busy staring at their free agency signings to remember to start getting on negotiations with your rookies. Bowman already is blowing it.
Despite my Oilers desperately needing good solid defenders, I don’t see Broberg staying. It is possible they trade Ceci/Kulak to make room and with rumour of Kane being on LTIR that frees up cap space enough to match both the offer sheets. But that’s only for this year, looking long term I think Hollywood is probably gonna stay and Broberg goes. Surprised the offers weren’t the other way around considering the goal and game differences between the two.
Not surprising St. Louis knows what they’re doing. Oilers are desperate for more defense so they gotta really up the aav to get broberg
@@wiski6540 Honestly there are pros and cons to all outcomes no matter what. There isn’t gonna be a correct answer or optimal outcome no matter what. If we keep both we get stuck in a messy cap situation, if we pay for one we lose out on a speedy forward (something we lost with Foegle and McLeod leaving) or a solid Dman. If we let them go then we basically end up with nothing and barely anything to shop for.
No matter what Blues win and Oilers lose. As a fan I hate Doug Hamilton’s guts but from a business standpoint I gotta respect the hell out of it.
@@wiski6540 Taking a swing on Broberg at $4.6m/year plus a 2nd round pick doesn't seem like a particularly great call imo. $4.6m is overpaying unless he takes major steps forward this year and next. And then, can't he walk for a better contract as a UFA after 2 years? He's a solid prospect for sure though doesn't seem like a great offer.
Even if they only get Broberg, it works out great for stl. They desperately need some d-men to supplement Parayko and Kessel, who seem to be the only blue-liners who show up most nights. Armstrong masterclass
woe woe woe. I think you are over estimating where Broberg is at. He played like a few handfuls of sheltered games in the NHL while playing with some of the best players in the league. He definitely has potential but he is still learning and needs to grow. It doesn't take a great D to pass a puck up to McDavid or Drai to get some easy points. St Louis is definitely overpaying for future potential which is great but don't expect a huge boost in D this year by adding him. If it works out. He will be great for his next big bucks contract signing in 2 years, if not, they let him walk at a loss of a 2nd pick.
@@darpompie4354 nah I’m not overestimating Broberg, YOU’re underestimating how shit 4/6ths of stl’s current starting defensemen are 😆
@@TheOriginalTuhat LOL! You do know that the Oilers aren't renowned defensive specialists either. I mean if you can't crack being a regular on the Oilers D squad, it says something. Again, not saying Broberg is bad. Just still developing. I don't know if throwing him in to the fire with a huge salary is going to help the guy. Might be too much pressure for him, especially if the fans are expecting him to perform to what he's getting paid like you are. I mean he would be on the top half of salary paid for our D men and he's only played like 12 games. No way I would match if I was the Oilers GM.
You n ow they actually gotta pay him that now right,
@@darpompie4354 no, really. You have no idea the depths of horror that was blues defense 2022-24. Check krug’s/Faulk’s stat line
F’n Nurse contract. Like an own goal off his a$$ in the offseason.
2 at once is diabolical, Armstrong did good here
Sucks for the future, but neither seem vital for a 2024-25 cup run imo. We played without both of them most the season, and picked up two excellent (and definitely better than Holloway) offensive players. Plus if Connor Brown continues bouncing back, our 3rd and 4th lines will be rocking anyway
Can someone explain to me, hockey newbie, what those offer sheets are and how they work? Ty!
As a oilers fan im pretty sure they would let Holloway go because their is not really a spot for him on the offense except like on a 4 line and I hope they match brobergh but that really risky for a d-men that just prove something in a short pace
Maybe a noob question but do the players get any say in if they want to go or not?
They are Restricted Free Agents so their original club (Edmonton) has the right to match St Louis offer within 7 days. The players have already accepted the offer from St Louis so they have contracts in place now, it is up to Oilers management whether they match it or not.
This is different for unrestricted free agents who have the right to sign with any club without any say from their previous club.
@@dozenthdragonawww ok cool thanks brother!
They don't have to sign the offer sheet if they don't want to and if they do sign then they know that their original club can match to keep them.
I would love to see the oilers match both, realistically their not. I only see Holloway being kept in Edmonton, broberg looked like he could eventually be a top 4 d man for the oilers tho great potential
Armstrong just f'd the Oilers. They were counting on Broberg being a top 4 D this season, now they'll likely lose him.
Just a blip in the oilers plans! There are other d men available for the oilers to persue!
@@xlv1000-dlw On second thought, as "contenders", the Oil might just have to suck it up and match. It would be painful though. They would need Kane to play ball and go for surgery (LTIR 'till the trade deadline at least if not all of the regular season), plus trade away Ceci (with a pick?). They would also need to pray that Broberg can play RIGHT side top 4 D all season, and that guys like Brown and Stecher can hold their own on the 3rd pair.
@@user-iz3gv5vo6b I would hope that holloway stays and let broberg chase the cup with the blues! There are enough d men on there oilers roster right now to fill the needs!
Not really a bad situation at all! Don't give up on kulak or ceci! They are both decent d men to win with! Nurse has had tough time lately but he is capable of playing much better! Time will tell!
@@xlv1000-dlwno there isn’t. U can’t replace broberg.
@@Markymark-gg6qf yes they can! Have you seen the depth roster of the oilers in their system!
Does anyone know what St Lou has to give up if their offer sheets aren't matched?
A 2nd for broberg and a 3rd for Holloway so not to much.
Man losing 8th overall pick Broberg for a 2nd round pick sucks.
Let Holloway go. The Oilers really need to shore up their D-core. They've got to find a way to match the Broberg offer. The Nurse contract blows!
I think we match Holloway and lose Broberg. I hope we return the favour in the future to the Blues. I can understand why St. Louis did this, they are such a shit team
Yup... it's inevitable, and payback will be a bit**. Just hope it will be ten times worse. Just as the blues get back on their feet... Boom... a major setback. Making enemies is not a sound strategy for a GM. what goes around comes around.
You’re acting as if the Blues are basement dwellers.. they could easily be back in the playoffs this 24-25 season
LGB 🔵
Puckpedia is showing the oilers roster as if both players have been matched. This would put the oilers at 7.5 mil over the cap. Even if Kane started the year on the LTIR list that would still make them over the cap.
I wonder what Bowman is going to do with this?
To acquire the cap space would involve putting Kane on ltir, trading ceci, and sending Joshua brown down
Does your math include the allowed 10% over cap?
This was actually very smart offer sheet. I have Oilers to win cup and this one hurt. Oilers desperately need defensman like Broberg. But looks like he is gone😢
Hell yes. The rest of the league finally realized they were giving the oilers waaaay too much. Lol. Don't let them get comfortable.
I’m not really sure how these offer sheets work, If the oilers can’t match this do they have to trade the players? If they don’t have to then it could be up in the air if they stay bc why would u go from cup contender to play off bubble team
The Oilers will get a 2nd for Broberg and a 3rd for Halloway if they don't match. The compensation is a draft pick and it depends on the salary offered/signed.
ya but do Holloway and Broberg HAVE to take it if Oilers don't match it? Is that what this is, did they already accept the offers? They can say no and sign for less with Edmonton can't they? I mean, they may never have a better chance at a Cup again for a long time 🤷♀
The players signed contracts with the blues to play! The oilers do have the right to match the offers and retain the
players. Both players will cash in regardless of where they play!
I think the Oilers will go 58-18-6
This does a lot of damage to the oilers. Broberg was #8 overall pick, Holloway was #14 overall pick. The return for both will be 2nd+3rd, and the oilers will lose significant young players. They are also getting significantly overpaid, so a championship team like the oilers can’t match
Oilers keep both. Kane goes to LTIR and then they move Ceci or Kulak for peanuts with a depth guy or two being moved to Bakersfield for cap flex. I keep thinking about the phrase F around and find out. Regardless of how this plays out, I think Oilers are getting what is due for poor choices and bad hires like Bowman. St.Louis will get theirs too, it's a small league and business like this isn't forgotten any time soon. KARMA's a ...
2nd round pick for a 4.5m young dman, im fine with that. But blues started a war
Oilers going to need to work some LTIR, trade Ceci, and then some to be able to match Holloway. There's a very good chance BOTH leave
I'm surprised people don't talk about the players more in offer sheets, they have the choice to accept or decline the offer sheet, if they accept and are willing to leave why would you want that person in your organization, they could have had more talks and got a deal done but instead are fine with f*cking over your organization...
I mean, yeah, you're not wrong, but you also have to think that both these guys are young, somewhat unproven players in a fleeting career, so grabbing the bag while you can is nothing but business. What if they both flounder and end up being busts never making 2 mill a year? That's showbiz baby
@@GettingHyphy no doubt, a 2-year 4.5m contract will set you for life provided you don't completely mismanage it. Even after a career ending injury, you'd be good off a ~$10m career
Jake Neighbors being an RFA next year means it will be revenge szn
nahh , Oilers will be a team always near or at the cap with deals needed for Drai/Bouchard/Mcdavid ..
Well the Oilers will need the cap space which they don't and they will also need the draft pick w hich they don't and you'd have to hope STL let's him even get to FA for that to even happen which they more than likely wont.
God we need to trade Ceci. It wouldn’t match the blues offer but it would atleast be something
Trade Ceci to Montreal. He'll get a good return and Oilers will be under the salary cap.
Im gonna go out on a limb and say the Oilers will try to trade Darnell Nurse in the coming says to get out of this pickle and take a chance on Brogerg continuing to play like he did in the playoffs, in my opinion he was better than Nurse. Or they could look to trade kane (or put him on ltir) and trade ceci. To me holloway and broberg are worth keeping though its a big payday for broberg but if he plays like he did in the playoffs he could take nurse's role if not its only 2 years.
nurse has an nmc, even if he waived it no team would take him, especially with his contract
Tough blow for Edmonton
Oilers need to sign bouch and drai so no way the match broberg
all this to play in front of Winnington lmaooo
Match the offer then trade both of them
NO, leave my oilers alone!!
the blues are playing chess. they will offer draisaitl a contract next summer.
Broberg stays Halloway will leave
Better pull some salary cap magic.
I think the opposite tbh
@@TjayK2kane ltir
@@LispyOnSaltzeven with putting Kane on the LTIR I don’t think its doable for the oilers. They’re both 2 year deals which goes into when Drai needs to be extended and they’re already in enough cap trouble
If a player or players choose to go work for another team, good luck. Their Stanley Cup hopes and a legendary career just got farther away. Who is more likely to win the next cup? Edmonton or St. Louis?
STL fixes their defense they will have just as good a chance as any.
I feel bad for Edmonton
I’m a fan and I don’t feel bad for them at all this was awful asset management on their part. Not signing Josh Brown and Perry would have sorted this out weeks ago.
If you ever have the misfortune of interacting with Oiler fans you wouldn't
@@headintheclouds6935 Coming from an Oilers hater that doesn’t mean a whole lot
@@headintheclouds6935interacting with flames fans is like conversing with a dead horse! They have nothing of any value to say and are incapable of thought process!
@@headintheclouds6935remember flames fans something fhat will not change! Oilers 5 cups flames 1 cup. YOU LOSE!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love it. As a Pens fan, I was hoping to see Dubas offer sheet some of "his guys" from Toronto, like Nick Robertson.
Match both
Sometimes ya just have to say thanks but no thanks. Being at the start of your career and leaving a Cup finalist for a 2 year deal with a downward trajectory team?…TBNT
Edmonton is $445,000 plus over the cap as it stands today-one player is certainly gone.
As a Panthers fan, I'm wholeheartedly loving this.
Oilers waste time hiring Bowman. Dude is disliked and a dark cloud .Why sign Perry & Brown?They shld have signed Holloway /Broberg weeks ago at cheaper deals probably. D aint great and then u lose Broberg potentially .
Huge if the Oil lose both of them
The St. Louis Blues are now a franchise I fully Hate, we will lose 1 of the 2 for sure to them now
You could easily lose both got to make some salary cap magic happen.
I love the taste of oiler tears in the morning
@@TheOriginalTuhat I love Nordique fans unable to let go of a team that hasn't been there for almost 30 years
@@TjayK2 There not losing Holloway, E Kane is on LTIR
@@abovewater6918 30 seasons without the Nordiques and in that time they’ve won the same number of cups as Edmonton
As a Calgary Flames fan am I happy? Yes I am
As an oilers fan I am laughing at the mess calgary flames are in ! DECADE OF DARKNESS🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@xlv1000-dlw Absolutely valid comment. It doesn't hurt when it's the truth. That said a majority of Flames fans support the idea of a full blow rebuild, and tanking for top 5 picks for the next 3ish years or so.
Long time Canucks fan, now a new Blues fan.
"My team finally made the playoffs and then we got knocked out in the second round, now I cry and desperately hope The Oilers lose players so we might have a chance this year" - This guy probably
Stay salty queen.
@@abovewater6918😂😂😂
"The canucks have been consistently better than the oilers for the past 30 years, please don't let my shit Alberta team suck again, we just got good finally."
-Every oilers fan. @@abovewater6918
Typical Canuck fan, ready to jump the bandwagon… just don’t riot now when it doesn’t work out for you… and yes, 2011 will stick with you “fans” forever 😅
Oilers will not match
Offer sheet Neighbors next year !!!
Nah bro the Oil will be up against cap with deals needed for the big 3 : Drai/Bouchard/Mcdavid. Nurse contract is awful too
With what cap space and what draft pick? they don't have a 1st or 2nd and Neighbors will almost certainly be a 6m player. Oh and you have to hope he is even available which it's not likely STL let's him go unsigned like the Oilers did with these two.
Neighbors would be dumb to sign early, if not the oil someone will back the truck up for him
@@curtismah1261 Guys sign early all the time, in fact it happens more often than it doesn't. At the end this coming season the Blues and him will more than likely have a deal worked out or they will know if they are far apart or not in which case they will just just tender him and let someone offer sheet him and take the pic or they can trade his rights to someone which is a more likely scenario if he doesn't sign and that's a big if because the Blues will have plenty of space. And just because you offer sheet a guy doesn't mean he has to sign it and it also doesn't mean you get him. The reason why this happened is because the Oilers let this go on until mid August. If they focused on these guys right after the playoffs ended like they should have then they wouldn't be in this situation.
@@brianlb78ooh look a TH-cam expert!! You're so woke
What a scum bag organization. Karma will screw St Louis in the long run.
Offer sheets suck and their rare because it's a dishonourable way to acquire players.
St Louis fkn sucks
Oilers are the biggest joke in the nhl 🤣
Still bitter, little fella 😂.
The oilers got further into the playoffs than your team so that makes the canucks a bigger joke🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@xlv1000-dlw Canucks are gonna win the cup next year and the oilers won’t even make the playoffs 🤣🤣🤣
@@Canucksnate do you have crystal ball. Are you psychic? WHAT DO YOU KNOW THAT 31 OTHER TEAMS DONT! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣your comments are ignorant!
Yet they took out the Nucks.
What a scum bag organization. Karma will screw St Louis in the long run.
What a scum bag organization. Karma will screw St Louis in the long run.