Voting Machines: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO)
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- John Oliver discusses how voting machines work, how they don’t, and how we can fix them.
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"isn't it their job to get it right??" fantastic! best reply. critical hit on the core of the question. love her.
Vadim Ziebert for real!
Maybe we should vote for HER.
@@whitneyneely2880 I'm with her 2020
I disagree. While she is right that it is their job, the question is about what measures they are taking in the exercising of their job to ensure the results get it right. Making sure election results are credible entails more than just people doing their job; the results must be demonstrably credible.
@@MHeymann your thinking way too hard about this. honestly the question "how do you know your vote is valid" is a shot in the dark question. If the government is holding voting polls its the governments job to make sure my vote counts because I Decided to support a campaign. That's almost like placing an order at a café and by detail telling people what you would like and it coming back wrong. they cant tell me "well you should of made sure." No its the governments fault.
How do we get John Oliver onto Dancing with the stars? This is of great importance
We'd have to stop watching his show.
why not Trevor Noah? He was on Dancing w. the Starts.
people discussing real things and im just wondering how hoes be accidently falling on dicks
I have never watched Dancing With The Stars (except when Alfonso Ribeiro was on, because I'm a human being) but I would absolutely watch John Oliver on there.
OH FUCK NO!
The way John says “they comptrol the city” gets me every time
Without them, the city would be out of comptrol.
@@notsure1969 Is John suggesting that our sacred elections could ever not be perfect?!!
Who’s watching this in 2020?
Probably more than they'd like to admit.
They sure didn't have a problem with it in 2016.
Our democracy is a joke.
Also, John Oliver is a intolerable twat.
@Jay Broughton they distanced themselves from this, they claimed its entirely wrong
A friendly reminder: security is not about making a breach impossible, because that's impossible, but rather to make it so hard, risky, and expensive that breaching it becomes cost-inefficient.
normally the case however thats very difficult to do when the reward for doing so successfully is picking the president of the us
And containing any single breach. Hand counting due to the man-power involved means you need to compromise two separate counts just to get away with changing a few thousand voters.To change an elections you would a vast conspiracy. With electronic counting you just need to compromise one business or key programmers in that business.
Yeah. It's way easier to bribe the elected officials afterwards.
@@kingofgar101 It's a case of "too many eggs in one basket", something that you avoid from a security perspective. And if you can't then you prepare in accordance - which, from the looks of it, didn't happen. Complacency will always come to bite everyone in the ass.
Well, the people doing it aren’t doing it for money, and they have plenty to spare.
Stan Stanart looks like Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome
I'm Stan Stanart, owner the Stansdale Stan Art Museum
god damnit i literally just typed this shit into my computer before seeing this^
I fell out of my seat. My teacher was concerned for a second
You win the internet today, go home, take the day off
Dimma-darn! You're right! That's Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome!
I always find it interesting to see the American system. In Germany, we have thick pens (sometimes several centimeters in diameter) that are attached to the table (or the paper stand) with a string, sheets of paper that are sometimes larger than the table and also have to be folded in such a funny way that it's quite an art, and the ballot is sometimes thrown into a converted trash can.
And in our country, no one complains about vote fraud.
Hehe, same thing in The Netherlands. Depending on the amount of parties participating the ballot can be tremendously big. We need to fold it back how we got it and then 1 extra time to fold it so it risks less chance unfolding after putting it in the bin.
In The Netherlands however they are not converted trash cans: they are explicitly kept separate for elections. Yes, they definitely resemble trash cans, but they are not converted :P.
(I've been a camera operator at least 2 times upon turning the ballot box upside down and being a camera witness during the counting for local television, to show people how it happens)
(We did have people complaining about it, but they were either riled up by an extreme-right politician who claimed even before the elections happened the results could be impossibly fair, because of mail-in voting, which is rare in The Netherlands, but was put in place in 2021 due to the pandemic. In general people who were repeating the statements about said politician, explicitly showed to not understand how the voting system (and especially the counting) works, and how that would seriously impair any attempt at massive voter fraud).
Why did I misread that? Did you say that they sometimes throw ballots away And nobody complains about voter fraud? Because that sounds like voter fraud lol. Unless you’re supposed to verify who was voting and the person refused to verify that’s different. But no one really complained until 2016. And again we have like 370 million total people in the United States, which is a lot more than other countries so some systems will be a little tougher to implement. It’s not a simple as saying one person counting to 50 is just as fast as two people counting 50 and then needing to count to a total of 100. Things just don’t even break down like that when we’re getting into the 370 million club even though I know not everybody is voting. Was it 230 million people in 2020? It was something crazy high. no I think it was like 160 or 170 million.
But when I was going to say, it’s not fraud, people are necessarily worried about, but a lot of people in the United States, who are corrupt are against voter ID, and making sure people who vote are allowed to vote. Nobody’s really worried about the votes being switched in general... it’s ballot harvesting, voter ID, mass mail in voting when it comes to securing actual votes. We want votes that are supposed to be counted counted. For some reason, there are a lot of dead, Social Security numbers that end up casting ballots and people cast ballots that don’t exist. And there’s such a push for not having votes verified as a general rule that it’s very suspicious and of course, it increases the risk for voter fraud. There were a lot of abnormalities in 2020 but most peoples biggest concern. That’s informed on this issue and concerned about voter fraud is ideas suppression through social media. Censoring or censoring stories is a huge problem, which does affect your country when your politics are being discussed, but it mostly affects the United States since that’s what most people discussed politically when it comes to globally besides their country. No misinformation should be censored. Everyone should be allowed to tell the truth to lie to be wrong to be correct. Anybody against that is in favor of misinformation on their side being spread and correct information from their political opponents being suppressed. Period. 100% regardless of what they say because I can tell you exactly what side they fall, and that they will support the suppression of misinformation according to social media. The social media literally said they were wrong to censor that it wasn’t misinformation, but it was too late. The election was over such as the Hunter Biden laptop story. it shouldn’t be for billionaires and the most powerful people in human history to decide what information you get to hear. Anybody who says yes it should be and that’s a good thing, they are the bad guys. I want every pro Joe Biden anti-Trump thing to be spread as much as possible to not be boosted in the algorithm by social media to not have anti-Joe Biden anti-democrat suppressed. If something is genuinely trending because it’s interesting to people and that automatically boosted it should be allowed to happen. I’m just disgusted by the amount of people who are happy when billionaires who are literally the most powerful humans to ever exist and it’s not even close to any king that’s ever existed, to be able to decide what you hear and the information you get to receive. Or what information is relevant to you to place your vote. That’s where elections are stolen. They are not just private companies. There’s massive externalities, and they have legislation on the book. They are violating by being a platform, but acting as a publisher. If Verizon and AT&T and T-Mobile, all were very conservative and didn’t allow you to make phone calls or texts because that violated their terms and services of saying anything left-wing, or anti-Trump, you get the picture, everyone would be against that, even though that sign significantly less of how we communicate and spread ideas than social media. And that’s illegal for them to do right now, so we shouldn’t advocate it in reverse. Because they did this to Bernie Sanders, and Tulsi Gabbard and that was also wrong. But it’s not even close how they do it to more right wing figures. Let by the sword die by the sword. Everyone who supports this kind of ideology and culture always get eaten. If you’re fine with being eaten last. I’d rather be eaten by the lion first before I see how gruesome it is. But I’ll get eaten by it.
@@Dutch3DMaster that’s absolutely insane. You guys allow more than a few people to run. You split the vote so many different ways lol. Party system is so by far objectively the best. Three party is fine but after you narrow it down from 3 to 2, you have to narrow it down from two to one. Or at least have something as simple as a place for your second vote. The second vote beats all the other second votes, and the total first vote who had the majority, the second vote should win and become your new Prime Minister or whatever silly title you guys have. Someone may get 49% of the vote and the other 10 people may just get a few percent but everybody’s second place may have gotten 51% of the total vote but they didn’t get voted for because they split it among the others. Which means the majority didn’t actually want who got the majority of the votes to win. It’s just everyone’s first favorite didn’t win, but if it were down to the top two candidates, they can totally change the results. Which a majority vote doesn’t matter because anyone supports a true democracy literally support something that’s beyond evil.
Imagine if this show was done Nov 3, 2020.
Yeah, we need to recount all the votes in the RED States where these are used. Biden votes were changed to Trump votes, clearly.
Insane Q unhinged nazi conspiracy theories!! Also racism!!
@@brianlast9639 WE want free and fair elections. Do you?
The only problem is the votes numbers wouldn't match the digital number of the voter.
@@AxxLAfriku that’s some really shitty self promotion dear AxxL
John Oliver really out here trying the “if you don’t want to fix this I’ll just tell the entire country how to commit voter fraud until you do” strategy 😂
Exactly what I was thinking; it would be so easy to rig my local elections and I'm concerned that people in my area would not be above doing so
**Chaotic Good**
Security by obscurity is not secure. A system, especially something that is so important as votes, should be secure and very hard to manipulate. That is not possible with voting machines. Write an X on a paper and counting them by different people is the only safe way.
Well, they did have to draw penises around pot holes to get the city to fill thim in in some places so I assume it works.
@@Duconi No it certainly is possible to create secure voting machines, you just have to get the funding and expertise together to actually do it. Our politicians just can't be bothered, especially when the majority of voters don't care about the issue (or have the memory span of a goldfish and immediately forget they were ever worried about it).
We've had paper ballots here in Ireland since independence.
Ballot papers are placed in a sealed box and brought to a central count centre where everyone can watch the tallying.
It's incredibly transparent and fair.
And cheap.
Yeah, Ireland tried machines in the early 00s. Stopped using them after like one or two years. Because there was no paper trail and they were unsecured.
Cost like a crazy amount a year to store them until they were scrapped. It was a 50 million lesson on "if it's not broken, then don't fix it".
america is just much bigger ...
@@constantinmuller3017
Why is that always the excuse Americans use when they make bad decisions?
No universal healthcare? Can't, America is too big.
No paper balloting? Can't, America is too big.
You went to the moon and invented instant mash potatoes for fuck sake. You can do anything.
Ireland has less than 5 million people. The US has over 60 times that. Or a country like India, that has over a billion. A lot of things are a lot easier when you're small.
I'm gonna agree with the other guys here, manually counting votes gets trickier when you have a really large amount of them. Human error is a thing after all.
Which doesn't mean the USA's current system of voting machines is better, lol.
Pennsylvania was highlighted on his problem map.
@Mandilo23 this is so lul
So was Texas and Florida. And the issue is on-day voting - mail-in voting produces a paper trail so is actually MORE secure.
of the 11 states highlighted on that map, TWO of them went to Biden. try again.
Yea, but remember, the voting equipment in question only applies to IN-PERSON voting, which, remember, leaned pretty Red.
They do risk limiting audits now. The votes matched.
This is extremely relevant now and for some reason everyone suddenly doesn't think so
you know, now suddenly there is NO evidence at all of improprieties
Where have you guys been the whole last year?
Where is the little propaganda note from Google about how robust our voting system is?
Because people are sheep.
@@rhonda9226 yeah thats a really good question. Without it I dont know for sure...
No one can discredit a concept by saying "Cool" like John Oliver.
At this point, I pretty much always know when it's coming, but I still laugh out loud.
My boyfriend uses his, “cool” constantly. He has the inflection down and it’s absolutely fantastic.
That "cool" is the most demoralizing thing John Oliver can say.
“Cool” or…”Fire.” 😹
hey quick question why does nothing in america work like it should
Because anyone who knows how to make it work better, either pays to make sure it doesn't happen, or doesn't have the money or influence to do anything to fix it.
Because a perfect government is a bad government,
It's called marketing. I tell you I'm a door to door salesman. I'm actually an axe murderer. But I really need you to trust me otherwise I can't kill you in your house in front of framed pictures of loved ones.
Exactly. Either that or we want to act like we’re some sort of undeveloped third-world nation.
capitalism
This is perfect for those doubting Trump voter discrepancies.
No it doesn't. A lot of votes were mail in
@@ForrestFox626 which are processed through tabulation machines...
@@adminadmin4857 And we not hacked
@@ForrestFox626 what are you basing that on
@@ForrestFox626 prove it
As a computer nerd, what John Oliver said to Stan bothers me.
That’s not necessarily the Internet, John! It’s just a point-to-point connection!
“It’s not the people who vote that count, it’s the people who count the votes.”
- Ironically, Stalin.
I imagine the ghostly boner Stalin got when Putin was able to put a Russian asset in the US presidency.
This is how we do it.
th-cam.com/video/1ZgEQMCCGsQ/w-d-xo.html
The translation is quite loose so for confused Russians it’s quite famous: “Не важно, как проголосовали, - важно, как посчитали.” It’s attributed to Stalin, but there’s no evidence that he actually said that. Still true tho.
Rich coming from you, Napoleon.
@@MateusAntonioBittencourt imagine the boner Hillary got when Putin got all the blame
I'm in Canada and I didn't even know voting machines were a thing until today.
The only reason I knew they were a thing was from watching School House Rock as a kid
Yup, we still use the good ol man7al system here and it works. I've seen a voting machine once - for a mayoral election in London, Ont. They were trying them out - I don't think they liked the result.
Booths of all kinds have been eliminated here in Canada. Voting, telephone, kissing... 😩
Yah, my first encounter with a voting machine was playing Payday2.
EVMs have been in use without many issues in other countries for YEARS. This is just US failing.
This aged like fine wine for right wingers.
And classical liberals.
“Right wingers” aka anyone not a far left dipshit.
Right of Karl Marx?
*anyone who cares about election integrity
@@ModPapa lol funny thing
even karl marx became more capitalist in the end
he viewed marxism as a utopian ideology
Australia does paper ballots and you just fill in numbers with a pen and honestly I haven’t heard of issues. However we also have mandatory voting so that’s pretty banger
Another Australian here! I feel like I saw something recently-ish about how impractical our system of vote counting would be for America. Because our ballots are counted by hand and, in a country of 24 million, that's possible. In a country of 320 million (or thereabouts), that's absolutely bonkers. They did a trial run and it took the vote counters something like 2 hours to count 25 votes and there were so many errors that the same selection of ballots kept returning different results.
Some of that may be because they'd likely be using ballots that weren't designed to be counted by hand and that their vote counters would have very little to no experience counting votes that way. But, I assume, it does keep coming back to the sheer size of their population on why they use machine voting over paper ballots.
Having said that, though, I feel like if the US adopted both compulsory voting and the preferences system (AKA 'the numbers'), it would help out with a lot of their problems....
@@shrubert The UK has a paper system, and had a population of seventy million. The US has a bigger population but that also means it will have more people to count those ballot papers. In the UK the polling stations close at ten and we get the first results by midnight, and know the national result by about four in the morning barring a handful that might take longer because of recounts. All the counting is witnessed by independent volunteers AND volunteers from the parties. And those papers are available for recounts if needed.
@@karlbassett8485 that’s an excellent point. I guess I didn’t consider that if Aus counted by hand, it was probably likely that other much larger countries did too.
So what made that US trial so slow then? (Btw, I happened upon that case study again and it’s actually from the Election Subversion ep of LWT) I wonder, then, if it’s because they have so many electable positions so every ballot is extremely long to include every position/initiative up for the vote? I can imagine that would slow things down. But I guess that’s already covered in my previous assumption that using ballots not designed for hand-counting could be why they found it so slow.
Idk. Any Americans want to weigh in? I’ve never seen an American ballot paper so I feel like I’m running a bit blind here.
"The name's Stan Stanart, owner of the Stansdale Standome!"
the same stan stanart thats showing donald trump on ice?
My stand is Stan Stand-art, it allows me to consume unholy amounts of bananas.
Underrated comments both
Y E S
Stan
me : *open youtube*
*go to subscriptions*
*see an owl dressed as a human behind a desk*
Here we go again
Jules Rossier Don’t you mean zazu dressed as a human behind a desk?
John Oliver is aspiring to take over as Duo from Duolingo.
Wasn't it a penguin dressed up as bank teller?
Love that bastard!
hahaha you made me think and look around for a few seconds
I couldn't agree more John, let's look into it, RIGHT NOW!
I thought the gold bar John Oliver pulled out for that joke was fake, but given his track record with HBO’s budget I’m not 100% sure anymore.
They used the gold bar to hire the dancers in the next vid
“Which sounds great, BUT...” -this show in a nutshell
Pretty much describes any idea from Republicans: "Fair Tax sounds great, BUT" "Enhanced Interrogation Techniques sounds great, BUT..."
I read that as he said it lol
"Which is TERRIFYING!"
Aria V; you mean "as you watched the video"
@@yorhaunit8s and that's just a FACT.
I'm surprised John didn't mention India and its electronic voting machines in this segment.
1) India has a single, standard method of voting across the country and at all levels. And this is after having 1 billion people MORE than the US.
2) The Indian EVMs do not use any touchscreens - only buttons, and have no external communications capability at all, let alone connecting to the internet.
3) They are produced solely by a state owned company, and not multiple private players, let alone outsourcing it overseas like the US.
4) It leaves a voter verifiable paper audit trail (VVPAT) - the voter can see the paper slip when they vote and these slips can be tallied with the electronic results. This was done in the 2019 elections and not a single mismatch was found.
5) The whole process of voting and counting happens in the presence of representatives of all political parties who contested the seat - so any concerns of intentional tampering during casting or counting of votes would get raised and addressed immediately and all parties have an incentive and opportunity to be vigilant.
While politicians here sometimes love raising the bogey of hacked machines when results go against them, the Election Commission of India has openly challenged political parties to hack the machines and not one of them have been able to demonstrate it so far.
It is indeed surprising how the US has not picked up these best practices from India - a developing country that manages to successfully pull off the biggest exercise of democracy every 5 years - whether we like the outcomes or not.
turns out India is better than USA, unironically.
The people who are in charge behind the scenes have the system in place that best suits their perverted interest....
Here in Brazil it's basically the same
2) Is using buttons really better than using a touchscreen? How is it better? Does it make it easier to verify that your vote was counted?
3) But if all voting is standardized throughout the country and all the machines are made by one company, then that means that there is a single point of failure that can cast all the elections in the country into question. Its not like a state owned company can't be compromised, like say by the incumbent political party for example.
@@Sewblon 2) Touchscreens can, and do have at times, calibration issues - you may touch the screen at one point but it may get wrongly detected at another - creating the risk of your vote getting cast for another candidate adjacent on the list. With thousands of machines, and millions of people touching each one, there would likely be a few instances of this happening. A button, on the other hand, is a physical mechanism that physically completes a circuit, and hence can't go wrong with.
3) You are right with both concerns, that a single point of failure and/or compromise by the party in power is possible - but the multiple checks and balances across all stages of the election process make it highly likely that any such issue would get caught. For instance, the paper trail of votes (VVPAT) would immediately throw up evidence of this - either through the vote on the paper slip not matching with what the voter pressed (which the voter can see and complain about immediately), or the paper trail results not matching with the electronic results exactly (which hasn't happened till date).
All this is not to say that Indian democracy is perfect, far from it - but basic election procedures and the integrity of the votes cast are definitely not one of its issues.
funny how fast times change, huh?
i love how this comes to bite you right in the ass
"Books so sad they make you want to drink a potato" LOL
lmfao
"He brought the log, she brought the cabin" love the quote
Hero S .
Well well well
Honestly, I just appreciate someone born in the UK that can stand up for election integrity more than a good amount of our naturalized citizens. Thanks, John. 🥰
The amount of disorganisation in America makes my German heart bleed.
10% of german organization/bureaucracy will drive them crazy....but increase their organization by atleast 25% XD
To be fair, the disorganization of our voting system is what makes it hard to manipulate but it's also the systems greatest weakness.
@@edgmule would you agree that easiest to manipulate part of the Voting process....is the Voter?
@@smaragdwolf1 That's Fair.
@Luetzow1 Believe me, the amount disorganization and just mess in general in my country makes my American head hurt
As a Canadian watching The Simpsons back in the day, I assumed the scene where people were voting on all these weird machines was fictional because I'd never seen anything like them. We just use paper.
I knew about the hanging chad problem and I had also heard about the touch screen problem and kept thinking, please let's not have that nonsense here in Canada.
Of course, part of the problem in the US is that they vote for sheriffs, judges and whatnot all on the same day and that makes a ridiculously long ballot.
they over-complicate for the sake of it, cant hack whats written on a piece of paper from a computer
But it’s easy to lose paper, and paper burns
@@e.blessssssingg likewise American money is easy to burn or get soggy and wet but they don't seem interested in changing that to the better plastic notes.
@@e.blessssssingg and it's not easy to lose paper when it doesn't leave the sight of multiple people for 1 second, because you know, they have safeguards against tampering
They had us re-counting here in Georgia, and I can’t even verify anything, they just told me to count it anyway.
When citizens are lost in a sea of mistrust...
The Whole system is set up so the people only think they have a say in what takes place
@@user-vx5bl9xf2y Sure... But btw, you aren't saying that a 'fair' election means that people have a say? And how is electing - fair or not - not abandonning power? And more importantly, having a say over who? Because obviously if somebody has some power, it means power over somebody else, and those others then don't seem to have a say, if I'm not completely mistaken. So your criticism runs either way a bit short.
@@TheCommono Your statement is almost incoherent in its rambling nonsensical Repetition. The establishment power players choose the candidates and then They, not us decide who wins. Simple as that! In an actual election a citizens vote is mathematically tabulated in the final tally thus giving that Citizen who voted a small say in what his Government may or may not do. The current American system of Election Fraud and and outcome fixing has become so obvious the Ministry of Truth from 1984 couldn't cover up the corruption!
@@user-vx5bl9xf2y "almost incoherent in its rambling nonsensical Repetition"
That's cute.
So you are (!) saying that a 'fair' election means that people have a say. So I have to repete until you understand: if 'we' decided anything, if 'we' actually had the power - what would be the object of that power? 'Power' doesn't make sense, if it's not power of people over people. So you want something that leads to something where by definition some people are the object of power. Bravo! Your idea of democracy corresponds to reality. Have a good time the next four years. Bye!
This segment will probably be evidence for Trump's case, now. Thanks, JO! Lol.
lol, how's that case coming?
If they were smart, they would have attacked this instead of mail in ballots.
We have this advanced, highly secure technology called "pen and paper", here in Finland.
J. Lahtinen some US states still use paper.
We in South Africa have also made this amazing discovery.
Murray Heymann do you still have that apartheid thing going on as well?
I have mine sent to me and, it's paper, and I just drop it off at the voting place.
Pen and Paper does not allow for much pork. The companies that make these touch screen systems have pretty effective lobbies.
Stan Stanart reminds me of Doug Dimmadome owner of the Dimsdale Dimmadome.
Oh wow! He really dimmado!
He dimmadoes look like Doug dimmadome owner of the dimmesdale dimmadome I'll be dimmadambed I dimmadidn't expect that
That's right!
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I'm 40 and that's funny AF
The same Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimsdale Dimmadome that’s hosting Crash Nebula?
Do tell us that the voting machines that were used last Tuesday are super duper secure. This has aged well
The voting machines are used for live voting (in person), Biden didnt start winning until they started counting the mail in votes, which by pass voting machines, so ya know, those are the ones we can trust the most.
thank you far right oliver
If trump couldn’t prove voter fraud, but John could, does that make trump a leftist hypocrite?
@@Touremsol9925 yea couldnt because no court would listen. dismissal by merit is different than dismissal on standing
@@Touremsol9925 yea couldnt because no court would listen. dismissal by merit is different than dismissal on standing
we used to have voting machines in the Netherlands, now we use a red pencil and paper.
We only have paper votes in Sweden as well. Seems the less risky thing to do.
Why the pencils, why not ink?
Pencils marks can be erased by an eraser, you know. 😂😂😂😅
@@PseudoProphet Ink can smear invalidating the vote and potentially others.
We should do that here.
Lord Colin
“Freedomland”
12:31 wow, can't believe Stan Stanart is Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome, without the ten gallon hat
Doug Dimmadome? Owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome?
eduardo Soares fairly odd parents
@@theweakestbrazilianmale3398 That's right Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome
The same Doug Dimmadome, owner of the Dimmsdale Dimmadome where they are showing crash nebula?
@@theweakestbrazilianmale3398 On ice!?
Tell me about the Arizona audit again John Oliver
What's wrong with a pencil and a piece of paper, with an X in a box?
I finally understand the "Hanging Chad" reference from How I Met Your Mother!
This makes me feel so old!
i live in germany, and where i live, we have no voting machines at all. votes are always paper votes and they are always counted by hand in the presence of witnesses and then sealed in an envelope for the case of a recount. each polling station is so small that counting takes less than an hour here. for the polls, each polling station is staffed with one member of the administration who works for the town hall and a bunch of ordinary citizens who have been ordered by the state to help with the polls and are usually chosen by lot from the eighteen year old population of the area but not necessarily from the same voting district, possibly even deliberately from neighbouring districts. i was ordered to do this work when i had just turned eighteen. it forced me to vote by letter or by early voting because i had to spend the entire day in the neighbouring district polling station. the entire team witnesses the counting at the end of the day and signs the statement that counting was done correctly. each ballot paper is seen and assessed by all present regardless of age and standing or title. nobody gets paid for working at the poling stations, it is part of our duty as citizens. if you are ordered to work at a polling station and you do not show up, you are punished at least with a fine, i guess they could even enjail you. it is a civic duty for our democracy. many people have done such polling duty at least once in their lifetime. i felt it made me appreciate democracy and strive to vote always. i am not sure if the numbers from such small polling stations are then added by hand or by machine and how they are passed on but at least we are pretty safe from russian interference in our hand count and the initial numbers and we always have the papers for recount.
All of this sounds good to me, but I just want to say I really like the idea of civic duties being handed out by lot. Potentially even leadership positions. The chances of corruption go way down when the people doing the job are not the people who were actively campaigning to get the job.
Same in Spain
That makes it harder to disenfranchise people. And that's a big part of the Murican voting system.
Where I live they removed the only voting place in a fairly large town due to "construction in front of the polling place", which the news showed was just half a dozen traffic cones, because that town has a lot of Hispanics that tend to vote democratic.
@@davids.654 Okay, but what has gerrymandering and Facebook to do with the technique one casts his vote with?
Hermione3 Müller Here in Taiwan we also use paper votes,but the voting process are so slow last time we voted for our mayor.People are still waiting in line to vote when the time is up to count the vote.
sorry for bad grammar.
(!) This claim about electoral fraud is disputed.
😂😂😂😂
What a great recomandation youtube, just in time!
"Writing books so depressing you'll want to drink a potato", had me laughing so hard I had to pause the video for a few minutes.
Then you cried again?
Can you explain the refference?
Calcifer Boheme I like you. ☺️
@@raduciungan7042 Vodka is made from potatoes and is popular in Russia. Also, a lot of the most notable writers to come out of Russia (Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, et al.) were incredibly depressing.
@@MatataMcCleskey Indeed
"He brought the log and she brought the cabin" goddammit john
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That's just a history FACT.
No historian will disagree with John.
Good to see Oliver not being bias , good journalism finally 😆
Everyone, download and save this video
"He brought the log, she brought the cabin." may be the oddest, most hilarious euphemism I've heard all year.
I found it oddly hot 😂
That’s not an euphemism, it’s an allegory.
taxiuniversum It's both
@@LucarioRemixes Euphegory or allemism?
Alex Chavez definitely the _former_ hahaha
"Touchscreen machines are the worst ones."
Me living in Texas w/ touchscreen machines: "...cool"
Just don't vote straight party ticket. In 2016, people who voted straight Democrat saw their vote for Beto was changed automatically to a vote for Cruz.
texas is also the worst one
@@heatherthomas7545 Texas is doing away with straight ticket voting anyway, but you should still always verify your selections before submitting them.
That was also me here in Pennsylvania.
Omg! That happened to me! I voted for someone and it selected some one else. It triggered me so bad. I waited to the end of the ballot to change it. Which it finally did. What a relief. And yes it was on those electronic machines
I find "how do you know?" a very scary question.
Welp, this aged well.
This reminds me of that Simpsons clip in 2008 when they showed Homer voting for Obama. The machine registered it for McCain.
Had no idea it’d become reality.
Edit: I’m only referring to that clip because Homer voted on a faulty touchscreen machine. Relax, people.
Am I being wooooshed but I think this was a problem before the simpsons
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You’re probably right. I’m just referring to that specific clip because Homer voted on a touchscreen machine.
@@luqcrusher oh okay ✌
Why, the Simpsons is usually pretty accurate with their prophecies. Just remember that Lisa Simpson is our next president. It's who you have to elect. The Simpsons said so
It was definitly a problem before - see 2000 Bush v Gore... And hacks of voting machines was also an old story back then. In 2006 german hackers proved that they could manipulate voting machines to give the result they wanted (and because of that they are now deemed unconstitutional here and not permitted).
God, it's like America looked at every single thing that the rest of the world does and said "Nah, we're not doing that"
Like oppressive religious regimes? Speaking against the government being a capital offense? Being gay also being a felony? Autocracy?
Surely, doing things differently isn't always bad. I love it when anti-America twats oversimplify the world's problems. It's so much fun to read your bullshit comments.
No really, it makes me so excited when the rest of the world blames us for everything that's going wrong as if Britain, Rome, and, Persia didn't invent the "piece of shit" game everyone bitches about America playing.
I think it's hilarious how foreigners expect us to just get everything right on the very first try. We have shitty politicians because we voted for them. That's our fault.
Wait, no, foreign governments have literally tampered with our voting. That's still our fault because the voting machines are flawed.
Give us a God damn, shit sucking, mouth breathing, knob gobbling, extraterrestrial break you politically correct, granola munching, hippie lesbo feminist.
@@dacksonflux Please tell me you're not a grown adult... or a teenager... or a child. I guess what i'm saying is that i truly hope you don't represent the mindset of an actual human being in any state of development or circumstance. That is a lot of mindless and completely value-less hate for a pretty innocuous joke/observation not directly aimed at you.
@@slavesforging5361 my state of existence is of no concern to you, dude. I'm fed up with these people just complaining all the damn time, not doing anything to make the situation better. Yes, it's easy to pick on America. That makes for very easy joke that requires no actual wit. Mindless? Not at all, I'm definitely not mindless, just completely sick of it. Valueless my ass, I could school you on how shitty Britain was to the rest of the world for centuries. Yet, they seem to be the very first to run their god damn mouths. I don't hate the British, though some dimwitted fuck will mistake my statements for suggesting such dribble. Thought I'd mention it before someone oozes in here presuming my opinions to be anything but defensive. I'm like a rabid dog, and I'll chew on the bones of weak little apologies. What I do hate is the American government and anyone who doesn't know enough about it that they'll blame the general American public for its travesties. Yes, because I'm the one who decided to put Trump into office when he lost the popular vote. Isn't that right?
...completely fucking sick of it.
Do you have anything worthwhile to add to the conversation? Probably not, you just desperately needed to insult me. Move along.
The metric system that most of the world use = Nah, not in America.
@@dacksonflux Every person i've ever met in my own over privilieged society in the past ten years has claimed to be defending themselves against an imagined slight. whatever someone else has done to you, even an imaginary collective of somebody's doesn't make it right to spew such genuine hatred for such a simple, seemingly cheeky comment. calling America out on bullshit doesn't mean they attacked you, and doesn't mean that the statement/joke isn't reasonably valid. also, other people being bad doesn't make it okay, and especially not good to be horrible. it's just not a defense in any way shape or form. and while i don't know everything about anyone's history, i would be surprised if you could 'school' me about brittain or English history. that's a wierd assumption. just another example of your inherently flawed and emotionally based logic you've demonstrated staunch commitment to here.
Acknowledging problems is the first step to fixing them. I'm sorry that America has so many problems, that it's over your emotional threshold to handle. which in itself is weird. someone saying something mostly joking and certainly arguably true about America is NOT an attack at you. if you feel it is i would like to suggest in hopes of helping you, that you have an irrational emotional attachment to the actions of others. something i've found many Americans on youtube have. Personally, i've never been personally insulted anytime someone has insulted my country. and certainly not said something true about my country. i'm not every american who ever lived. i'm me. so yes, you're obvious genuine hatred, attacking while claiming defense, and awkward association of the actions of millions of people throughout american history as an attack on you personally is just completely unnecessary and out of touch with reality. there is simply nothing to be upset about. nobody is attacking you. except arguably me for pointing out your flaws. even that, i would say is not an attack but more of an honest analysis of your behavior. saying that things are bad is the first step to fixing ourselves and a necessary one. so long as shit's still fucked up, we should keep acknowledging it. anything else is irresponsible.
To paraphrase noam Chomsky, i talk about my own country because that's the one I participate in, and have a sense of responsibility about. not because i'm dumb enough to think nobody else has done the same thing. assuming people are that ignorant is just... wishful thinking. it'd be nice if what was going on was just that simple wouldn't it?
I'm convinced that log cabin architecture was inspired by Mr. Lincoln 's conception 👏🏻🤣
Great journalism John. Thanks for supporting DJT
There was a joke the translator of Putin’s answer hesitated to vocalize:
“I’ll tell you a secret. Yes, sure, we’re going to do that. To stir you all up duly over there at last. Don’t tell anybody.”
Thanks for the translation. It sounds about right...
@@nlx78 That wouldn't keep a tampered machine from not voting on who/what you want
@@nlx78 pretty solid idea. However if we here in the USA are intent on using a computer I think I have an idea for a good system. After you vote there would be two pieces of paper printed out that had your voting results on them. One you keep and one the polling place officials keep. You, along with the official verify that all of your votes are correct and only after that would your votes be sent to whatever server they keep and tally them on. In the case of abnormalities the paper results the polling place people have could be compared along with the paper you have as well. This way there are checks and balances that would make it hard to manipulate the tally. If there was manipulation it would be much easier to identify and see where and which end it was on.
@@jedimindtrix2142 bad Idea. At least here in Germany, you can't tell anyone who you voted for before leaving the building you voted in. that's to keep people from prohibiting you from voting altogether and to ensure that (in case you're in a party) not to be socially expelled. you don't have to say anything about it and you are able you lie about it. your vote is secret.
You have a Mullet...
Imagine all that gerrymandering for the votes to be miscounted
Murica
The real tragedy here....
I know, maryland is some trash
Wesley Davis Less gerrymandered than Texas, North Carolina, or Ohio. I would be fine giving you the one Republican that MD’s gerrymandering took away if the 20 or so Democrats that Republican gerrymandering took away are given back.
Ha funny
I call as our expert Witness John Oliver to the Stand.
So nice to hear oliver make trump’s point
I'm sitting here remembering a conversation I had with a British friend of mine about voting. He couldn't believe that we use machines to vote. He said all ballots in the UK are counted by hand. I remember watching the results of the Brexit vote being counted - the camera showed ppl sitting at tables counting ballots. He said that using machines to vote was just lazy and open to exploitation - especially if you don't even have a paper ballot as a record in case a recount is needed.
It's a fair point. If we really consider voting and democracy as important as we claim, then we really shouldn't be depending on machines (which can be hacked/manipulated/etc) to do all the work for us. Initial tally? Okay, but there should be a hand count done later to verify and finalize the results just to be on the safe side.
BTW, a machine printing out a receipt is NOT a paper ballot - it's a receipt. And there's been numerous cases where touch screen have recorded the wrong result simply because the calibration was off.
I understand the need for a backup paper ballot for the election but I think your friend from across the pond fail to realize that America is 10x the size of the UK. The UK population is 66 million while the US is 327 million.
@@jerardgomes6113 So you can have more volunteers to count the ballots.
WA state uses mail in paper ballots. They get counted by computer but they are verified by people. With the mail in option people can vote early so there is more time to go through the verification process. My memory on the details isn’t the best but there is a Tacoma, WA podcast that interviewed our mayor and she spoke about it.
Some machines actually produce a paper ticker record, like a cash register.
The U.S. had manual counting in 2000 and it was a mess. Granted, that was mainly due to faulty ballot design. That's why funding was allocated with the Help America Vote Act in 2002 to get voting machines in.
One compromise between paper and electronic voting is Opti-scan voting, where you fill in bubbles on a piece of paper that are then read by a machine. Like a Scantron test. My jurisdiction lets you choose between Opti-scan and fully electronic touch screen (which means you can't do a full recount of paper ballots).
Some individuals with disabilities cannot vote on a paper ballot but are able to get assistive technology from the machines. Some jurisdictions have separate machines with assistive technology, while others have an audio mode on all their voting machines for visually impaired voters.
Paper ballots get lost all the time too tho. So...
You made me look up "comptroller."
Well played.
What is it?
@@Elenrai Glorified accountant.
@@Elenrai "the comptroller title is more commonly found in governmental and non-profit organizations"
@@xSociety 😂
@@Elenrai"comptroller" is short for "computer troller" which is just an older term for "internet troll".
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looks like they still haven't updated them
Lmao he even brought up affidavits. Oh man this is really funny.
In the Netherlands we switched back to voting with a red pencil on paper ballots in 2009 because of these security issues. After using paperless DRE voting machines for 30 years.
@@Balletified sowieso gebeurt het tellen met 4-12 mensen en zitten er verschillende checks op, waardoor het op grote schaal verkeerd tellen van stemmen niet kan. Een of twee lukt je misschien. Meer niet.
Twee partijen zou het tellen van de biljetten wel heel veel sneller maken btw. Nu zijn we op mijn stembureau tot in de kleine uurtjes bezig
I don’t even understand why you switched to voting machines in the first place
@@klamin_original I think that's due to the great optimism in the 80s and 90s towards computers. They saw the potential, but had little eye for the risks. And voting machines saved a lot of money in manpower. You need a lot of people to count all these ballots by hand. With around 20-30 political parties and between 10 and 70 candidates per party to choose from, counting all the votes per candidate is a lot of work. And Dutch people do like to save money
@@klamin_original me neither, and I'm from the Netherlands.
"He brought the log, she brought the cabin."
Yeah, I'm done for the day internet. Thank you.
@foopyu nooui &^6l
@Luis D. Thats not even an ethot.. its a poor jobless overweight male slacker wannabe hacker who is trying to scam people by PRETENDING to be an ethot with affiliate links to other sites for profit
Want to be done for a year? R/NoahGetTheBoat
If your looking for clever commentary for the internet left, try going further left. th-cam.com/video/2gFsOoKAHZg/w-d-xo.html He's also funny. Probably funnier then John Oliver.
"Just let me leave this comment because I am dead inside."
- Rick
Lmfao how the tables have turned 😂😂
I would love to play this on CNN or MSNBC tomorrow evening. With John Oliver watching.
“He brought the log, she brought the cabin”
I heard it too
Ikr I was laughing so hard
the fucking best 😂
Tim Evans
lol your posts are almost always controversial, half the time i agree with every bit of my soul, other times i vehemently disagree. in this case, it's the former. turning this into an avril lyric stole my heart and wrapped it up in warm fuzzies
John: So I need a budget but enough for-
HBO: Oh god what....
John:. A bar of solid gold
HBO: Oh thank goodness....
definitely a prop but i appreciate the joke
@@dlspartan2014 pfft, he obviously borrowed it from Fort Knox.
@@andreaskarlsson5251 He didn't borrow it; he sent them a wooden horse and snuck in through the back door
Given by how he handled it, it seemed to be a bit light for a chunk of gold that size. Or a bit large for a chunk of gold that weight.
@@SaraWolffs he’s just too powerful for a bar of gold to be an inconvenience
It's starting to get to where the live audience laughter sounds weird.
This aged fantastically!!!
Georgia not installing the security update is completely intentional.
Ya think?
of coarse thats how they won in 2016
Pepsi Max Or because you had a terrible candidate that didn’t go to Wisconsin or Michigan because she felt entitled... like most democrats. MAGA2020
Pepsi Max Trump won Georgia fair and square (some other states are arguable) but he had the majority support in Georgia
Doesn’t Georgia have that dumb woman running around still claiming she won the election? Sad.
I remember in elementary school that there were just voting machines sitting around in the hallways before the election
How long ago was that
Gunslinger71603 still happens now (at least in my hs)
Here b/c of today's Mark Dice video. The 1st John Oliver video I've liked since his stand up bit involving a "De-Termined 'Elicoptor!"
Well this is nice
The fact that America hasn’t ALREADY collapsed into a flaming pile of madness is amazing.
It hasn't?
You only think this because you don't have/watch some equivalent show to this one highlighting all the issues other countries have. The US is actually stronger for having extra oversight like this, in other places you wouldn't even know if and how you were fucked. And I say this as a non-American.
It totally has and we're watching it squirming and screaming, soon it will be nothing but a charred carcass with a few oligarchs and millions of starving serfs. And there will still not be any questioning of the system.
@@annnee6818 still??
@Drago Arbiter Well as an American commenting on a video questioning decisions made by Congress, I feel that's only a half right generalization.
I'm definitely gonna be using "He brought the log, she brought the cabin"
Well that aged well....lmao
He sounded so different in 2020
A perspective on computer security: if any one person has physical access to a machine, it IS NOT un-hackable. Period.
And if they don't have physical access, but the machine is connected to the internet, it can be hacked with some difficulty. If it's not even connected to the internet, you can maybe have some hope. Not much though, just ask Iran what happened to it's uranium enrichment plant.
@@andrasbiro3007 The machine doesn't even need to be connected to the internet. You can also hack the computers that are used to install software updates before an update. Security consultants were able to do that in every state where they attempted it before the 2016 election.
EDIT: I just got to a part where they mentioned part of this.
I remember years ago. Lets say 10 so I don't feel too old. When ATMs where thought to be unhackable. The banks even announced that shit.... One day a group of hackers, lets call them 'Anonymous' for arguments sakes. Hacked thousands of ATMs world wide. Removing withdraw limits, and changing pins. Then thousands of people put in fake ATM cards, and withdrew thousands... Individuals where caught, no ring leader, and the story was buried.
I agree, if someone has physical access to a machine. Especially if than machine is ageing. It is hackable.
Brandon Burton Apple Knows all about “unhackable” man-made smart machines.
@@MajICReiki except google found that more than half their devices were compromised for a considerable amount of time
I lived in Virginia when they switched over from the old mechanical machines to the new electronic ones. The very first time I voted on one, I touched the screen for candidate X. The next screen popped up and said, Thank you for voting for Candidate Y. I've never trusted a voting machine since.
Eh, I’ve never had that experience at all in VA. Usually it’s a paper ballot that is then tallied by an electronic machine.
@@AnthonyWhitford They've changed to those now, but this was back when they first took out the mechanical machines and brought in electronic ones.
Can confirm Virginia switched to paper ballots fed into a computer, with the paper copies saved so they can be counted manually in cases of recounts.
@@sarafors445 Yes, glad they did after that first year fiasco. Those machines had no way to verify votes.
Holy shit lmao
Can we please get a Twitter tag disputing this?
I actually watch these to help me in AP Gov
You forgot to mention hackers got Doom (1993) to run on a voting machine
anything with a screen and a cpu can and does run doom
@@Laurabeck329 This is a lie!
I ran DOOM on a rock I found one time.
With custom WADS
@@Laurabeck329 on my way to play doom on a smart watch
Just came here to repeat what many commenters already mentioned: the direct dial-up connection described by that guy at 12:55 may very well NOT BE the Internet. I've never heard of him before, but I actually appreciate how honest and knowledgeable he seemed when answering the question.
No, bit the computer receiving the data from the voting machines could be connected, and that could be hacked. Or somebody plugs in a USB drive into that machine. It's not DoD level security.
i prefer voting on paper, thank you very much! greetings from Germany.
Counting down the minutes before this gets deleted.
I like how the Swedish prime minister just stands there like "Oh, you poor man, my people hate me but at least they know they voted for me".
That third Sean Spicer costume was "Lettuce on PCP".
Electric Lettuce.
John Oliver: Not knowing the difference between dial-up and Internet since 2001.
Please tell us John. How do you feel about these voter machines now?
For real
Euphoria is as accurate of high school life as Saved By The Bell was.
Sounds pretty grounded then.
I mean by that description it sounds pretty accurate, just not in High School, more like in college. Lot's of sex and drug adventures going on in college, never had contact with anything extravagant like that in high school
It sounds like another version of Skins... Which had really good depiction of depression, but overall, it was kinda mess.
So, on a scale of 1 to High School Musical, then...
Funny part is...a lot of teenagers from now will try to live their life like that...like they did back when Skins was up
"He Brought the log, she the cabin."
John Oliver, 2019
And I won't be able to forget it....
Im so glad this was the most popular comment. Such a weird “history fact” this time
That's my new favourite euphemism
Who chopped the log into firewood before drying it and bringing it inside the cabin?
I really didn't know how to respond to that.
Oh how relevant today. Thanks.
Your translator got stumped a bit. He missed a thing, Putin said, jokingly: "Im gonna tell you a little secret. Yes, we are going to do that. Just so you could have a little fun out there. But don't tell anybody."
I don't speak a lick of Russian, but with a name like that, I think I actually trust you.
@@sluttymctits4496 and with a name like that....... welp........
And you could tell he was serious because he covered his lips before he told his secret into the microphone, definitely not trolling or anything.
Still, no politician can make such joke in case noone expects you to interfere. Only the fact that it is acknowlegded that he did and will do it again is too much
We know Putin meant it as a joke. It's like a murderer telling a room full of people that he killed the guy *wink* and everyone laughing. It was still disturbing.