People are MAD About TBN (And Dark Knight in General) | Xeno Reads Funny Reddit Comments
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ก.พ. 2022
- Dark Knight just feels worse than the other 3 tanks (Paladin, Warrior, Gunbreaker) available in the Final Fantasy XIV Endwalker Expansion. In this video Xeno goes to Reddit to read and react to what people have to say about the state of tanks and Dark Knight in particular. Some people are very mad at the state of Dark Knight and it's design while some disagree with that feeling. Watch till the end to see what Xeno thinks about this situation!
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This Kaisos guy being descended into a villain thoughout the thread is one of the best written stories in FF.
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.
Damn, this guy literaly living as a true Dark knight.
The fact that we have to have the TBN video every week and not the Heart of Corundum video or the Bloodwhetting video every week should be indicative of how problematic the whole design is.
Kaisos' fall from grace is the most exciting drama of the year so far
Emm.... DRK being emotional means they are just being DRK, DRK IS emotion, DRK IS rage, they are just living their class fantasy :D
Edgy
They hold aggro using their salty forum posts and anger.
I think the funniest part about drk now is that they've essentially solved why people hated Dark Arts spam in 3.0 with how they made SGE. Pressing eukrasia is almost the extra same thing as dark arts, but it's on the GCD and speeds up your next GCD, allowing you to still weave oGCD heals or in DRKs case, coooldowns and oGCD dmg.
It's be a really easy way to get back some identity
I'd rather go back to spamming Dark Arts and managing MP than the current trash pile DRK currently is.
@@Spectacular_Insanity 💯
I always thought they could've solved the dark arts spam by either having it on GCD or put a cooldown on it and on charges
Main thing I would like is Abyssal Drain to go on the GCD and cost 3000MP
At least then it could actually be used to self heal by getting a few off
"hallowed ground should have some kind of drawback" It does: You only get one per fight
People gotta stop arguing that jobs are fine just because "they can clear lol". That's not the point. The point is that DRK feels unsatisfying to play for a significant number of people.
Exactly this. PLD was able to clear the current savage tier week 1, but only if played absolutely optimally and had the right party buffs. Its damage compared to the other tanks, regardless of its resourcefulness, put it at least preferred tank. Even though DRK is top DPS for tanks, its mitigation is lacking and its survivability is considerably worse than the other three tanks, all of which have the ability to reliably heal themselves, although GNB will eventually peter out while PLD and WAR can keep going for quite a while.
Got it in one mate. One thing that I rarely see mentioned about DRK is how surface level everything about it is now. None of its kit has any synergy except for TBN and Flood/Edge, and the devs seem hellbent on not changing the way those function at all. Your damage buff is so brainless to maintain that it may as well be a baked in trait, and for all the oGCD's DRK has, none of them do anything more interesting than 'deal damage', 'build gauge', etc. WAR at least has the little ways that beast gauge skills interact with Infuriate, and WAR's damage buff requires you to pay attention and remember to use your alternate combo finisher at times. It's nothing too complex, but still a lot more than DRK has going on despite being called a WAR copy, but too many people have forgotten that.
Its probably unsatisfying for a minority of people who speak up. I know no one who says that it is or feels worse than the other tanks. There are people who say GNB feels best but thats it. Its also especially funny because Xeno plays WAR which is by far the most boring tank since years. "On DRK you press anything as soon as its up." Yeah, same as WAR, wow.
@@Cloudo4 probably because DRK is good enough for the content they consume, most people often forget to mention the content they're consuming while other push the content they do consume onto others without considering that the same logic isn't applicable for certain kinds of content
Oh man, I just want to use Blood Price and solo dungeon packs with abyssal drain+dark arts and see reprise proc every second with dark dance+dark arts. Living dead? no matter, full heal abyssal drain! DRK changed too much, some of the residual design from HW does not even makes sense with DRK today.
HW DRK was a beast at large mobs.
Back in the good ol’ days
I see someone played in the golden age of class design. Personal choice, ik ik... but we gotta pick one.
That first comment about DRK taking deliberate damage as off-tank to proc TBN and that's why it needs a mana cost... needs to read their tooltips.
TBN can be cast on others; You don't need to take deliberate damage, just cast it on the main tank and voila.
yep, add to their mitigation on a tankbuster or on a stack marker
@@knuckles543 Right, plus every tank has a version of this "off-tanking" ability so it's not OP in the slightest if it didn't have a mana cost.
PLD has Intervention which adds DMG mitigation and a Regen, WAR has Nascent Flash which adds DMG mitigation/Heals target with your attacks/adds a shield, GNB has Aurora (a regen), Brutal Shell (a regen), and Heart of Corundrum which is ANOTHER Regen/DMG mitigation/Scholar's Excogitation.
Even among "off-tanking" abilities, TBN still sucks.
They should re-work ALL jobs at 7.0. As YoshiP said, adding new stuff on top of present job design is clunky and obviously not working. Adding more oGCD abilities are not gonna work. Even if we have to sacrifice new jobs at 7.0, I rather have re-work of all jobs now that they have better experience of creating the game design.
Playing DRK is like being in an abusive relationship where you don't want to lose what you have with that person, even if they put you down while forcing you to take responsibility.
Treat your dark knights well, they too are people under all that Salt and Darkness
*teary-eyed thumbs up* bro!
So what you’re also saying is DRK is the WoW class of ffxiv
Easy fix, TBN costs the same, gives free Edge of Shadow of Flood of Shadow use, but it also heals the DRK for the amount of damage the shield has taken regardless whether it breaks or not.
So if you take say 3200 damage but shield doesn't break, it heals for 3200. If the shield is 10k and breaks completely, it heals for 10k even if you get hit for 32k. It's not a major buff, but it gives it mitigation and healing which balances it out with the other on demand healing the other tanks seem to have.
I would also argue if it breaks your next cast of Edge/Flood heals for 100% of the damage dealt. Or give some form of healing.
i was thinking the same and i agree 100%
Imagine if TBN gave mitigation based on the percentage of time left on the timer when it popped for the rest of the duration. Instantly fix the dungeon problem and also doesn't go the same way as the other tanks by being a heal.
Xeemo saying "WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG" like Fandaniel was what I needed.
If only we knew how good we had it back then in Heavensward. Oh well, the devs homogenized the tank role as a whole and simplified DRK as much as possible every subsequent expansion to attract more players, and boy, they sure did succeed.
"Seeing 0 damage when using TBN is enough of a reward"
Okay, shitter who's never done endgame.
I can pull that shit off with WAR. In fact, it's better in P2S because unlike DRK, there is zero risk I'll lose damage or get a damage down for uptime.
If anything, TBN should be changed so it stops holding Dark Arts hostage and allows it to be real mechanic instead of a """""""free"""""""" proc.
Or better yet boost the dark arts. Like "the 'free' edge/flood used by dark arts has lifesteal"
Lmao, watching you read the actual subreddits is hilarious.
I play DRK just to spite healers at this point. Because i imagine what they think when a tank joins any content and its not gnb war or pld.
Noticed some healers literally stopped healing now and don't adjust for DrK. Even when I pop Living Dead I just sit at 1hp until I die and they ress me. Atleast living dead actually getting value this way hahaha what a meme job/skill.
@@cattysplat if a pack is close dying i will intentionally let drk die from his living dead. He wants dead he gets dead
For some reason in Smileton, whenever I lure 2 monster groups the healers just leave.
I'm done with this class. fuck that battle panther.
@Oligoden they have gotten spoiled since all the other tanks basiclly can heal themselves more or less in dungeons. With dark knights they acctually have to heal which apprently they throw a hissy fit if god forbid the healer had to heal.
@@cosmosofinfinity this. I've been wondering how is it so strange for these healers to heal tank in a traditional holy trinity game.
I feel like it's better if they just combine oblation and TBN in one skill.
And add a heal potency over time for 8’s on a 20’s CD
Hi I play DRK, I'm not mad. That's it, thank you
NOOOOO you have to be fuming 😠
i'm always surprised people think Oblation is anything besides placebo
‘….DRK is only worth 50 dollars, can’t even buy you a new game’ 😔
People say TBN can be popped every 15 seconds because the only experience they have playing DRK is in dungeon content where you mash tbn as you scream and cry hoping not to die. They havnt actually raided with the class.
Also love when my TBN lasts 3 seconds in dungeons making it feel worse than any other CD in the game feelsbadman
It gives me massive headaches when they compare tbn to plds clemency when any real healer or pld main knows ur never supposed to clemency in a raid, if u have to clemency ur healers aren't doing enough healing to compensate the damage that the pld or party receive.
Agrred. Lets make that even better. "If you have to clemency, then someone made a huge mistake"
Clem still enables paladin to solo dungeons like GnB and War if healer cba or dies. DrK is SOL and a very dead dodo, even with good living dead use it's completely reliant on healer to save them.
Can you cover a video on what HW drk was like? I wasnt playing at the time
5:50 nah I think oblation is probably merging with dark mind, like they have the same duration and cooldown
they still have no idea what to do with tbn
i would like tbn to give a personal regen when the shield breaks. same regen potency as holy sheltron.
I actually agree with the "free Edge use on successful TBN feels fun" thing. Emphasis on the FEELS. You press TBN at the right time, you take 0 damage, and you get a little "ping" and it rewards you with a "free" Edge. Reality is it's more of a refund on the mana cost, but it's a mental thing. The feel good chemicals of "yay I did good." The actual reward is just smoke and mirrors.
I think you've got the right of it. The tiny endorphin kick you get is probably negated completely by the feeling of failure (and the actual DPS LOSS) of missing a TBN. Or the massive DPS loss that is becoming a floor tank because you overused Edge and didn't have enough mana to use it at all.
Honestly, I don't mind too much at the moment as, from what I've been told, Darknut is the highest DPS tank. My parses are shit right now, but s'what I've heard. I am functionally okay with being the worst defensive tank if I get to hit the biggest numbers. And vice versa, I was okay with being on the weaker end but having the best defensives. As long as there's some sort of "balance" and I'm not just shit at everything, I will continue inflicting my preferred class on my statics healers with glee.
i mean they could just remove the MP cost from it or make it cost 1,5k let the shield not last as long so you still have the reward feeling and than youre actually are rewarded since it would save 3k mana or 1,5k so 2 tbn's = 1 free edge or something along those lines.
The only thing I'd want for Dark Knights is another stack of blood weapon
The editing at 10:47 was hilarious lol
"I'll take it"
Look if TBN was free DRK would get 2 additional ogcds only increasing its DPS without actually addressing the issue that it has no sustain.
Imo TBN should cost maybe 1 or 2k instead of 3k just to make the ability feel better when used properly. And then there should just be more heals. Maybe add a heal per tick on Salted Earth. And increase heal ratios for its 123.
Maybe a shorter cd on Abyssal Drain with a potency buff?
They can't make TBN a dps increase would upset the balance eof shit and good drk players. And if TBN was free simply remove proc and everything is solved
@@XenosysVex what if they gave Dark Knight something like Pre-EW Third Eye?
A 10% shield that's separate from its main resources(So TBN could just be a free 25% shield), and when popped gives drk HoT(like Arcane Crest) and an ogcd attack that has lifesteal?
Idk, I just think they should give it some form of a counter-attack/parry for the sake of appealing to old drk fans and job fantasy.
The issue is Abyssal was reworked to share its CD which was random and stupid. As it is currently all the reducing its CD would do is increase DRK dps yet again.
If they rolled it back to ShB it would be somewhat fine -- but by itself I feel like it would still be too little for actually sustain. And since its a dps ability, it would only again, further DRK dps.
The issue is because Dark Mind/Missionary -- are useless skills in dungeons. They aren't like Heart of Stone where a 10% for everyone is still a 10% for you which means it will actually still mitigate something.
DRK doesn't have a good/fluid mitigation rotation imo. I actually like swapping out the dps proc for a HoT proc if the shield is broken -- the only downside is that its only further homogenizing tanks with that kind of mitigation -- which is fine.
Pairing that up with having Salted Earth giving a HoT while inside it shouldn't actually affect its DPS (and actually lower it overall if the TBN proc became a heal) and therefore maybe put it more inline with other tanks while giving it some needed sustain.
It doesn't even to be free (although it should be free if its a heal) because I bet people while wine about TBN as a heal now a DPS loss...
Do they want to sustain a wall to wall or be top parses in raids -- its a compromise they will have to swallow.
Also to mention TBN in Shadowbringers since I main tanked that tier, TBN was the ONLY tank cd who could mitigate Turn 1's Gravity spell that dropped health low regardless of how much mitigation was out.
Just make TBN cost 1500 mp instead of 3000. You get the mitigation but a cheaper Edge of Shadow that rewards using TBN right.
Just make it not cost mana, problem solved.
@@johnway8819 it get where your coming from. I'm just not trying to not homogenize all the jobs.
That wouldnt fix the issue tho, just cause more problems, people would try to use it for a DPS gain, and would want to toss it to the MT (or self) to have it break autos, or stand inside AoE on purpose to get it to break instead of using it for the original purpose, mitigation. In this game, everyone is obsessed with damage.
@Vinx Winchester sure id you want to take dmg down lol. SE has learnt a lot after all, if the aoe in savage not kill you = you will get damage down if the dmg is not 0 dmg.
And toss to MT, why it becomes a problem ? TBN can target people too. Why not using it to the advantage ? In fact, due to hos TBN work right now, why DRK needs to toss TBN to party member or MT while DRK can just spam edge of shadow without care ?
If DRK DPS becomes to big, why not buff other tank ? I bet if they put 20 potency in every moves on other tank, will offset this easily.
@@eternalinsignia you just said "why DRK needs to toss TBN to party member or MT while DRK can just spam edge of shadow without care?" Because Edge is 3000 mp cost, and The blackiest night (with this guys intention) would cost 1500 correct? Well, 1500 + 1500 = 3000, you just gained an additional edge of shadow by using blackist as a DPS tool instead of a mitigation tool.
THAT is why DRK should care, it would make DRK who want to play optimally use a defensive tool as a DPS tool, AND for your first part "sure id you want to take dmg down lol. SE has learnt a lot after all, if the aoe in savage not kill you = you will get damage down if the dmg is not 0 dmg."
P2s if you step in the water? gives you a DoT with no damage down, you can pop blackist and step into the water and have it break. this is just one example.
i think TBN should be free give the DRK a bit of self sustain maybe on carve and spit (since its the single target version of abysal drain now) and blood spiller and quiteus and lower the damage a little in line with the other tanks to conpensate.
Wow I didn't expect xeno to reference fandaniel back there.
Nice.
its funny, people saying stuff around tbn's short CD... but sheltron/holy sheltron can be used back to back if you have the gauge.
not to mention PLD gauge is basically free
Kaisos didn't die a hero in this thread, he became the villain.
I also don't get why oblation is another button.
cant Senix just make it one button with TBN ????
it costs MP, well make it even better than just adding 10% mitigation, so TBN if it still costs MP has some worth using.
100% agree with this Oblation should have been a passive from the get go and just added on top of TBN. I was healing one of my DRK tanks in p3s and i noticed how insufferable to mitigate that tankbuster. DRK works sure but there is a difference of just playing the game or breaking all your fingers and playing the game. The current dark arts proc gives absolutely no value of doing your job since there is zero benefit to it. With or without u press the same amount pf buttons making the whole proc 100% arbitrary bloat on an already busy job
I think somebody working on DRK during development suddenly realized and worried that if you take less damage with the shield up, the shield is less likely to break and trip the proc. So they just took the TBN upgrade and put it on its own redundant button so they didn't have to get rid of it. But it's okay though, since everybody gushes about how TBN is the greatest tank ability in the game, it's fine staying the way is /s
7:00 - This is a problem with design in SO many games and why you end up with classes that are all very much the same, just with different visuals.
Utility is great, but as an encounter designer its problematic. Either you design around it and make the utility mandatory (Therefore making that class mandatory, or you have to give that utility to every class). Or your design around it and make that utility absolutely useless, meaning there is no point to it in the first place. Or you just ignore its exist and randomly end up with a fight thats totally broken by a piece of utility to decided to ignore existing.
There used to be attempts at balancing this by essentially taxing throughput (damage or healing depending on role) based on the utility you bring. But that ended up being a problem because then you end up in situations where your class is either mandatory because random skill is needed here. Or your benched because your damage is shit and we don't need the utility skill. Thats not fun for anyone involved. Not the guy with the utility, who feels like they are only getting a spot because they are the right class. The guy who has to get benched when the fight comes up where random utility skill is needed and they don't have it. Or for the raid leaders who have to manage all that (because generally managing rotation of players and benching people is the hardest part of RLing and this is forcing another stress point).
that fandaniel impression wsas rlly well
Drk is my main. I get the criticisms of the class many are fair, and I get the fear of the class changes streamlining it as well. I do believe they could make changes and allow it to continue to feel like its own thing. I love DRK the way it is, and I am open to see them try and make it better cause it has room for improvement.
Every tank is streamlined
@@veiregor you are not wrong at all. I suppose I mean changes that make it feel even further more similar to the others. I love Sage because it feels so unique. If you can play one tank you can play them all really. Playing well is always a different story all together ^_^
yea but no one says PLD plays like GNB. Arguably they do in mitigation sense(but PLD can solo raid bosses, so not really) but not DPS rotation wise.
@@randominternetsurfersurfin7595 you are right. pld has 1 2 3 into 1 button spam during req while gnb has 1 2 3 into 1 button ammo combo
@@veiregor lmao what? the basics and flow of their rotation is entirely different, GNB is based on resource management, and PLD is focused around DoT management. If I want to I can say dumbass shit that's technically right as well, PLD and SMN are literally the same class because they have a magic buff phase where they only use 1 gcd.
they could do it 2 ways remove mp while also removing free DoE proc or reduce mp to 100-500 but also having a charge for the free DoE proc just like drag eye gauge
2:30 PLD had no issue clearing content this tier even before they buffed the dps, any tank comp with under performing dps will still result in a wipe, I think I even have a p1s parse on drk where we almost enraged and I out dpsed 2 of the 4 dps, that scenario isn't a case of if I was PLD it would have been a wipe, no it's a case of how did the tank out dps 2 other dps.
"Quite frankly, that's a skill issue."
Only time this tier I found value in tbn was when progging p2s and one of my partners messed up so i went to the water, popped tbn and repositioned by taking minimum tick damage.
Or when a static member calls out in disc that they touched water so I'd quickly throw a tbn on them to cover most of that dot damage... I legit felt like more of a healer than a tank on that fight during our initial prog pulls lmao
The problem this community is ruled by the dps is first mindset and so they don’t really care if a tank has good defensive capabilities or if it has engaging mechanics as long it does good dmg it’s A tier while I agree with them dps is important it’s certainly not everything. I remember making a post about how power creep was going to ruin DRK because of the all upcoming abilities in EW and got downvoted to hell because “TBN Is the best ability in the game because of free dps” “TBN blocks big hits and I get extra dps” this community blows my mind on how they don’t understand what roles are supposed to be and what those roles should have
Right now I'm levelling my warrior and just got Raw Intuition a few levels ago... tank diff is real.
"Healer died? Oh no! Well anyway..."
People have to understand that the most important thing in a game is the fun. TBN was the most fun tank ability, and now is just a meh ability like most of other abilities in the game
Remember when they said in the dk story about how dk fights wild with the vengeful spirit aesthetic while the lore to dark knight in the final fantasy universe is sacrificing own health and resources to deal higher damage was a thing?
Current dark knight is none of that. You basically lost everything that made drk, DRK!, in shadowbringers and since then, it's been a freak show with the class and they don't really keep up with it's lore.
War is the juggernaut that never dies
Pld is the holy knight and protector of the unit
Gnb is also the protector while doing everything in it's power to keep those around them alive at all costs AND fighting more savagely than drk
I'm telling you man, gone are the days of drk being amazing. 3.0 dk still best and even if it was clunky. It was massively engaging as a class in general
Thnx for nothing yoshi
In ff lore DRK has the power to siphon HP nor sacrifice its HP for higher dmg so with that, this class should have been what Warr have become. Or this could have embraced the magic side and become a barrier tank that nullifies dmg based on hp% which what GNB has become. Its sad that this class got undermined and its identity got stolen.
I’m convinced Kaisos is an Ascian
We have a Healing tank, We Have a combo tank, We have a Self Sustain Tank, Wouldn't the next good choice be having a counter Tank? Having TBN break and then Procing Edge of Shadow really did feel good, I think they should Rework DRK around this kind of Mechanic, Cut Mana Cost and maybe have something like when TBN breaks within 4 sec, your next edge of shadow has increased damage, High risk High reward right? Take damage and dish out more damage sounds like what DRK should be.
While it would match the Dark Knight's lore (punishing evil deeds, so retaliating makes sense), I suppose something like that gets a bit awkward if you're not main tanking. You'd be throwing out TBNs on the main tank every chance you got just to keep optimal damage, but the main tank would be using their own cooldowns, which could stop TBN from being popped within that 4 seconds. It goes without saying that would be incredibly frustrating. Can be coordinated in statics, but for general content, pretty annoying.
@@Olkard no just give it priority same as eukraisian diagnosis. Eukrasian will always proc and break first if you throw, say, panhaima and eurkrasian at the same time..thus maintaining your shields efficiency and giving you adderstings. And if it's two drks with two tbns then prioritize the one that came first
How about this, make it so the first 4 secs give you Dark Arts just being hit (Similar to Samurai Third Eye Seigan), the lvl 82 trait Gives you a 1000 potency Heal if the shield breaks, less depending on how much of the shield is used. Delete Oblation
Xemo getting mad always makes my day
I love the current state of DRK, DRK is my go to job for expert roulette dungeons just to piss off the healers
Good plot twist
Had us in the first half
Ok, so you should definitely watch Mishhapen chairs new vid on DRK.
I watched it earlier and every point and solution he had was perfect imo
Yeah at first I thought he was gonna react to that video
This reminds me of a thread that asked what job need changes and I mentioned GNB and ppl told me they love ShB SMN rotations on a tank and told me to stop playing a class I’ve mained since the 2nd Eden Tier. Lol
TBN will heal for a percentage of the damage mitigated next expansion. Either that or DRK will get some health regen outside of its current kit.
Ever just start laughing you ass off and then, instantly, go into tears? Because I did when I read "Enhanced Unmend".
Then again, I don't read my ability descriptions well enough, so maybe I should...
I think for TBN:
1. Make it free but does not give any dark arts effect when break. (Keep other effect as it is).
2. Make it free, keep dark arts effect, and buff other tank to compensate the damage buff on DRK.
3. Cost MP, but here add additional effect when shield break DRK, target gain lifesteal (cure for 600 potency for each enemy hit) for 10 second, gain 15% dmg reduction for 6 seconds. Under waking dead, increase cure potency to 2000.
I gotta disagree with one point, “they don’t design raids around *class* when in P3S macrocosmos is a cheat code for death into life’s agony. It could be a one off, yet if you take any other healer without Astro you’re gonna GCD heal while spamming oGCDS or using healer LB3 to cheese that mechanic,
My co tank in my static stopped playing Drk, not because he doesn't enjoy it [He always has, since HW], but because I've mained Pld since ARR and he's sick and tired of me just HG'ing the first TB I see when he throws TBN on me thinking I won't do it. Because I drink that shit like an athlete drinks Gatorade in Overtime. We both laughed and now He's a GNB whenever I play with him. Though, the only thing I would change with Drk like asap is living shadow. You have NO IDEA HOW MANY TIMES I SEE LIVING SHADOW THINKING ITS SOMEONE SCREWING UP A MECH. I'm like "WHY ARE YOU THER-oh" It's all in good fun though. We like to laugh at it.
For real i would throw out my own Living shadow and still think somebody fucked something up when i see just standing there
I think tbn just need mana reduce. alot of times when I OT DRK I dont need to rely on procs, but when I MT it becomes a problem.
Full disclosure, I'm a filthy casual trying to build up to doing more savage content and DRK is my tank class (SMN main) and while I really enjoy the story of it, how it's sold (especially in the 30-50 quests) doesn't match up with how it plays and it feels a lot like how Shb SMN felt - ranging from alright to pretty fun to play but you know that it could be better. I think if/when it gets changed it needs something closer to what SMN got, a rework from the ground up rather than tweaking and adjusting existing things because that seems to be where a lot of the clunkiness lies.
Has anyone brought up that now that all the healers have mitigation buttons they can keep TBN from popping?
This. Sages actually prevented my TBN from popping in Asphodelos raids. It was pain.
I switched to GNB to raid and never looked back lmao
Then TBN timing was shit and not needed at all. No small mitigation from a healer will prevent it from breaking if its used where it makes sense.
@@Cloudo4 Won't this be the same way for shield healers as well, the timing being shite? tbf I only use TBN in tankbusters, otherwise I just spam Edge of Shadow.
@@earvindinoso7689 Maybe if he only shielded the tank what usually doesnt happen. And single target shields like from WHM break after TBN so thats no issue. I honestly cant see TBN not break on any hard hitting attack but if someone throws mitigation of doom while the boss is only autoattacking then its clearly not smart usage of TBN.
Xeno is like one of the only people i know that does his content this way by having streams then collapsing all the dead air and fluff into his most entertaining points and god do i love how it works.
Currently progging p3s have tried using both gunbreaker and dark knight. In order to mitigate similar damage during tether buster i have to pop dark mind oblation and tbn while on gunbreaker i just pop heart of conundrum.
blackest night and any single mitigation is good for one buster or AOE effect from a boss (not as much in savage, but it works, so not complaining)
pulling groups is tough if you go wall to wall using blackest night, even with the job action mitigation on top, and if you are the lonely type to do trusts, it's very risky to do so (their heal rate is so much slower than actual players).
if it was either : free, as long as the darkness counter was ticking down
or
it cost say...500 or 1000 mana but it had a shorter cooldown
or
did not dissipate upon reaching the damage limit, but kept blocking until time was up, it could also have an effect with the free flood of shadow or blade of shadow where the more damage you sustain in blackest night before the effect wears off, the more damage the free hit would do
that would be so cool, a literal counter devastator attack
on War I have survived that TB with only bloodwhetting its actually stupid lol
Honestly if they aren't gonna fix the issue with TBN at least make the TBN procced attacks be 100% direct hit and crits. So the few times you do use it well it feels good cause big numbers.
What If uhh… idk edge and flood healed for a % of dmg dealt or fixed potency?
Need help guys. I already have a GNB 90 but my static need a tank and they already have a gnb. I want to up drk or war but i keep hearing bad things about drk. Should i still go for it cuz i like the style, or should i go with war because he has better tools ?
As a DRK main, it's really uncomfortable in dungeons. For raids/trials its not as bad but still need some help. WAR will feel fine in both camps.
@@michaeltoy1813 that i saw. When i'm runing dungeons with a DK i can see it's painfull for the heal.
@@michaeltoy1813 He wouldn't be playing with the GNB teammate in dungeons anyway so he can just play GNB in dungeons and DRK for trials/raids
WAR main. I've experienced a similar dilemma back in HW for alex raiding with a static where I was pushed into tanking. My choice was between pld or war and I went with war because I liked the idea of swinging a mean looking axe around more. Fun factor was all the reason that mattered for my choice. I leveled both pld and war, but have been a war main since.
Pick what you think will be more fun for you, but level both (drk/war) so you give yourself more options.
Static does not really matter. Just play what you want lol as long as not same job.
Also the four prizes example was decent but if that 50 dollars is in cash, I can buy weed with it, cant do that with the other three
Idk how that ties in to Dank Knight but yeah
Yea DRK definitely need the rework. They have a lot of niche abilities which often don't make sense compared to other tanks. I get the TBN high risk/reward thing. It was fun back in shadowbringer but now every tanks short cd mitigation just absolutely poop on TBN. They get a free heal with extra mitigation when timed correctly. Whereas TBN is still just a shield. Living Dead has also been an issue for a long time. Like why cripple a class where there is only 1 healer out of 4 that can easily heal LD without using so many resources. At that point, I rather have them remove all invuln so people will forced to actually do mechanics the way they were intended. Or even make tankbusters immune to invuln so invulns are saved for "oh shit" moments
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That's when the black smoke took Xeno and turned him into a blasphemy
im okay with TBN's cost personally, i just want the shield duration to be a little longer
Drawback to HG is to make it an point blank AoE like Salted Earth and only give invuln insde of it.
Love the malding
IMO, devs should have combine TBN and Oblation with no mana cost but 25sec cd, also replace HP steal on Soul eater and make it like Brutal Shell that pops small HP shield but if TBN/obl is up the small shield will be buffed. But thats just me.
why warrior icon not green
what did you ever risk back in HW i started in shb btw
You managed Enmity to get a huge lead and dropped Tank Stance(Tank stances reduced damage and certain abilities were locked to Tank stance too such as Blood Price) to do more DPS alongside Low Blow and Reprisal procs, Dark Arts usage for damage as well as improved magic defense via DA Dark Mind. DRK was such a fun engaging job in HW. It began it's discount Warrior journey in Stormblood and progressively got worse in ShB and EW. Or as we like to say Dark Knight is still stuck in Shadowbringers. It used to be a fast fluid job until it became a poor man's Warrior with a bunch of oGCDs. The job description can be boiled down to "Random bullshit go" every minute.
Over the years anything that made Dark Knight unique was gutted and given to all the other tanks to the point it is now stuck in the Shadow of Warrior with one of it's few benefits being high Tank damage.
Also paired with the worst leveling experience I've ever seen with skill acquisition. Stalwart Soul and Dark Missionary being big criminals. Arguably TBN too for 1-69.
PvP DRK is the true DRK experience in which you actually have feasible HP/MP recovery.
It's a lot of Warframe vibes or any Gacha game really. You have one thing that can do certain things but there are other things that do all the same things 10 times better.
And all the damage that DRK can do? GNB isn't that far behind and is better designed as a whole.
Hw was completely different. The risk was constant because keeping up dark side drained your mana ever tick instead of gained. You also had all your mana spending ability abilities. The only way to get mana was to use siphon strike and blood price. There was a constant balancing act of using your my and then pooling it for burst phases. If you ran out of mana you lost darkside
@@XenosysVex damn I missed out
That whole mess up there is why I've also been leveling the other 3 tanks and why I'm enjoying the heck out of WAR and GNB.
True that. Was sad to give up my sword, but that axe feels just fine. Plus I have 2 other options. Still, I would really like for them to put some thought into DRK and clean it up. If they combined some skills and make LD not suck I honestly would be fine with that.
@@danielmantell8751 same. I still love DRK with all my heart but they need to get it on par with the others kit-wise because dmg aside no other tank has as many detriments to itself.
Give the DRK all of the MP regen abilities back that they took out in Endwalker and TBN will be a more useable skill imo.
yep been wanting that since pre ShB release nerf potency of EoS/FoS increase the use per minute (by making drk mana economy not an economy of starvation)
Having more mana would not help at all, optimal play would just be to squeeze extra Edges under party buffs.
tbn gives 2000 mp back when popped and give edge proc lets go
The free EoD isn't even a guaranteed crit is it?
He got a bell. LOL
maybe 1-1500 and drop edge/flood to 1-1500 on proc?
i love the bell.
I think it would be better to make oblation what everyone wants TBN to be and keep TBN as is but for the ppl who want DRK to be special.
Xeems, would you rather bring a DRK or PLD in a savage raid? Genuinely curious because me and my friend play tanks and we're always debating on DRK vs PLD in savage. The points we bring up are job design, DPS, self-sustain and degree of liability, and usefulness in a raid. What are your thoughts on this?
At this point, i would be happy if the dev make TBN like excogitation.
So, basically make it a shittier Heart of Corrundum? I mean, I'm sure everyone would take it, but GNB literally has a shield which gives an excog
Yes. But instead of HP, its MP or free Edge/flood. The dev seems really adamant on keeping the uniqueness of the job, which in DRK case is the mp usage. At least if its like excog, we won’t have that feeling when the bubble doesn’t popped and lose dps. One can only hopes *sigh*.
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I don't get why people on Reddit assume TBN being changed to be free will result in a DPS increase guaranteed, SE could easily remove Dark Arts procs from TBN breaking as well to balance it out. Instead of getting a 0 MP Edge, just use the 3k you would have used on TBN.
As a healer. I wish they would fix DRK to make my lazy ass's life easier.
If they streamline all the tanks and the healers don't need to heal at all, its a really bad design.
Oblation should be tbn upgraded just like bloodwhetting only because the animation is instant and tbn animation is slow
As a dark knight main, tbn, blood weapon and living dead are in dire need of reworks
how would you rework living dead tho ? press-this-button-and-live ?
"Having TBN break and give you the Edge/Flood proc feels good"
Lmao in fucking THEORY maybe
Unless I'm anticipating TBN popping, I just use my MP on the damage abilities
While i agree with the MP cost making no sense being left on it anymore, a lot of the comments saying its still obscenely good for lower skill groups and prog are correct. Sure, fights arent designed around *needing* TBN off cooldown every cooldown.... but not dying every time you or someone else fucks up certainly helps.
Its the same reason some people say blood lily is garbage where others say its absurdly good; If you only heal with oGCDs, its not going to be used. If you or your group arent experienced, blood lily literally refunds a lot of damage you otherwise missed out on by hardcasting heals. It could be designed better so everyone gets to interact with it at all spectrums of play, but its definitely not in any way bad.
jobs shouldnt be balanced around the casual side of the game. it should be balanced around each other first and then the endgame content.
blood lily is factually garbage because it just simply doesnt do anything good. its a dps loss. it requires gcd healing and sure, it can be nice to proc when you have to actually use gcd heals every now and then..but thats all it is, just fluff. the dps gained from misery is so insignifigant that it doesnt matter if you ignored it and went right back to glare spams.
same with TBN..the most it can do is keep a dps from dying from..say..raidwides if the healers are a bit slow to heal them up..which is good sure..but in content where it matters and where jobs are designed around..its pointless. saving that one dps would very rarely mean the difference between a wipe or a clear.
in prog its also useless because you are most likely going to be wiping ALOT in prog, with or without TBN and once youve seen it a few times..healers should already be on their game picking things up
anway..like some of those other comments said..drk isnt bad, TBN isnt bad..its just underwhelming. it has nothing other tanks cant do and better.
id take a sheltron over TBN any day
@@PowderedNuts Your argument is immediately invalid just because you said jobs shouldnt be balanced around the casual side of the game. The reality is almost all of ffxiv players are casual players, of fucking course the game is almost entirely balanced around them.
Youre essentially asking a hotdog stand who also sells some burgers to expand their burger menu because you like burgers, when the reality is their main customer base is hotdogs.
@@duo1666 no, this is wrong..we are talking about high end optimization balance.
the devs themselves have said that they balance jobs around the high end (who cares about 50 potency buffs in casual content?? they definitely arent buffing potencies and skills because of fates and normal raids)
they have toned down job mechanics and made jobs easier to play..thats what the casual playerbase got..as for the specifics..buffing/nerfing abilities and skills potency wise and so on? thats purely balanced based upon the savage raids and nothing else.
so yes, balance starts from the top then works its way down. thats how every mmo balances jobs (outside of like aoe abilities designed for dungeon trash)
@@PowderedNuts This is completely false. Every game with a primarily casual playerbase balances for the casual base first. Even fucking league of legends balances for iron to gold before it balances for plat+.
I even stated in my OP that blood lily could use changes so everyone can interact with it, but to say its objectively bad makes your opinion non existant in the realm of game design. Only a fraction of a fraction of a percent of players will ever run into the issue where they wouldnt get to interact with it, and even those players would end up using blood lily in prog runs. No one is good enough to first time only ogcd heal.
@@duo1666 sorry but the ff14 devs themselves have made it verbally mentioned thay balance jobs around the hardest content/savage content.
cant speak for league or mmos i havnt played, but its quite common to balance games at the high end first.
then wittle down minor changes to make the more casual side happy..but thats more in line with job overhauls, not potency/ability buffs
stop bullying my job strummer Madge
My biggest problem with job design right now is this: everything feels the same. Everything is completely homogenous. Every melee DPS has a damage buff gained from its combo (cept nin) every caster has a way to move whenever tf they want (RDM’s melee, BLM’s two triple cast charges, SMN’s entire rotation), every tank’s cooldowns are basically identical. The list goes on. 14 is the MMO where you can play every job on one character and merging all gameplay styles kills that point. I’d trade job balance for uniqueness at this point. My biggest hope gameplay wise for the next expansion is that they actually try something different. Lord knows there’s enough people complaining about it on the official forums at least
The game is really suffering from lowest common denominator design philosophy. I agreed with the design choice to reduce ability creep going onto SB, but cutting everything back to this strange bastardized easy-mode for everything save Savage content just doesn't feel right. Absolutely there should be accessible classes in all roles that are a pickup and play for people that are capable even if not optimal across the board. By the same token though I desperately miss more skill-based classes where you get rewarded for hitting all the things at the right time, etc. :/
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