Which Kpop groups should or shouldn't have disbanded?
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gfriend did NOT deserve to disband. sure, they're not going viral, they're not charting as well as they did in 2018 and earlier BUT they have a fairly stable fanbase. their concerts do well, fans eat up their merch, their albums sell out (partially because soumu was too lazy to restock). Having a stable fanbase should be enough. Soumu is just really shitty at handling them. the girls have so much to offer and they're always so ready for new concepts that's out of their usual. they were just beginning a new era and soumu ended it like that. it shouldn't have stopped at mago at least. they should have let the contract expire instead of terminating them like that.
i agree. those two comebacks mightve not been career changing but it was a switch that had so so much potential if only the company handled it better. thats why their disbandment was so shocking and disheartening cos they could definitely have reached higher peaks if they maintained the momentum
Mago and Apple were such good comebacks I thought they would for sure continue with how well they were done. I felt like they were at another peak Their disbandment was one that I just couldn’t understand and (didn’t want to believe tbh😭)
The only thing that could be considered as a possible reason was the n*zi scandal.. but the majority of people forgot about it two seconds after so it makes no sense
izone were my ults, but I am genuinely enjoying the groups that came out of post izone (le sserafim, IVE) and they're even killing it as soloists too. Smiley is def my fav female soloist track this year, even topping INVU by taeyeon.
also the diff between the success of post izone groups to the success of post ioi groups genuinely makes me sad. /:
I definitely agree with blackpink. Edit I feel like jisoo would focus on acting and modeling, Rosé on music/ solo career, Lisa with dancing bc it’s what she loves to do I don’t think she will continue as a singer or rapper, Jennie I think she will go on as a actress, model, singer and designer. I know she loves fashion and she’s writes songs a lot so I hope she gets a chance to release the music she wrote as a soloist.
I agree but maybe Jennie might focus on her TH-cam channel a bit more
That’s why disbanding is up to the company and the members not you if they actually wanted to disband then they would.
I think Jennie should be a model and actress.
Maybe she'll even make youtube content
@@jmari9840 ok? Thanks for the obvious information. This is just what I think you don’t have to agree with any of it. If BP has reached their peak as a group and don’t look like they genuinely enjoy performing as one then we are free to say that we think that they should disband.
@@Suxx4u no y’all are not disbanding isn’t a opinion and it also isn’t your business and clearly you don’t watch their performances because currently they have been putting out a lot of energy out on stage and it’s fine if they don’t smile all the time because I know it gets tiring and that’s okay and you don’t have the right to say the don’t like something when you don’t know how they truly feel.a group wanting to disband is nothing nobody should have a opinion on because at the end of the day it’s up to them if they wanna end their idol careers as a group.
If BP disband (which I don't going to happen now) I don't see Rosé following her career in the k-industry I see her signing with a big western label like republic records or universal, and going full western artist, all her solo songs are in english and she said when OTG came out that she feels that she can express herself better in English, which is not crazy to think since she was raised in Australia, so yeah... out of BP I don't see her following a career in Kpop or anywhere in the K-industry (like being a judge in a mnet show as you said). I really can see her leaving Korea and becoming a full western artist 🤷♀️ but who knows?
I feel like BLACKPINK don’t even fall under the definition of a girl group anymore they’re just a BRAND.
Brands don’t chart and don’t make music love
@Jmari Sure they do. If your brand is "Kpop Girl Group" you're gonna have to put out music and chart - but only just enough for appearances. And that's exactly what YG has done since 2016.
@@monimuppet6132 babes BP don’t even make appearances on red carpets for music shows .to be a artist you don’t need to put out music every minute bp don’t owe y’all shit and they can put out music whenever he want to
@@monimuppet6132 and Kpop girl groups aren’t a brand their artists something you lack understanding
@Jmari First off, the use of "appearances" here is not literal but in reference to their perceived image and activities. Second, you just explained how they release just enough to keep up that perceived image of being a Kpop Girl Group. So what are you even upset at me for? 😂
I always find it stupid when ppl say bp should leave YG like to go where? yg create them they form their brand and image yg doesn't only own bp the brand they also own jennie,lisa, rose and jisoo too their brands and their songs no other companies could possibly managed them like yg does and girls don't seem to be sad at yg it's more blinks projecting their own wishes onto the girls then what they really want.They seem pretty fine of having little comeback and focusing on solo activities. When in interviews their ask about fashion, brand deals, solo things they seem quite passionate but when its about their music or idol life they seem lost lol. Now i don't think bp is going to disband they're just going to do what they're doing now but with even less songs and more solo activities. YG might decide when they come back but if they truly love music they can do covers, release some demos etc. ppl need to stop victimized them they're fully grown woman and i'm pretty sure they can release or produce some songs or have a say in their management but they're just fine with the way they're handle
yeah i agree, yg definitely isn’t a good company but i don’t think blackpink leaving yg would solve their issues. it just doesn’t seem like they want to be a group anymore and i think fans are projecting onto them.
Generally do agree with you but there are certain moments when I also doubt if it's yg or the girls. For example the music that Jennie and Rosé worked on in LA never seeing life. Their contract renewal in 2023 is going to be a clear indication of everything, cus if the way BP is managed doesn't change then I'd take that as a definite sign that the girls want to be managed this way.
it's insane that gfriend nd lesserafim was created by the same pple
bang sihyuk, ceo of hybe has a lot of say in lesserafim so maybe that could be why they’re managed differently
@@mrslippington2000 veryyy trueee. hitman bang be making superstars
Gfriend was mostly managed by source while lesserafim has a lot of involvement from HYBE.
It's because Hitman Bang & Slow Rabbit is the main producer of Lesserafim. For those who don't know Slow Rabbit he is the guy behind the immaculate discography of Txt
txt and le sserafim have the best discography of 4th gen so far…. makes sense!
I really don't think GFRIEND should've disbanded. Even though they weren't exactly as successful as they had been earlier, they were definitely worth the investment for at least the remaining 2 years in their contract. I think IZ*ONE should've gotten an extention of a couple months, to have one last comeback because 6 albums were planned. I also think Cube fucked up so many times with CLC, they had so many chances to become popular but the company ruined them all, I don't know what to say about them. About BP, I don't necessarily think they should disband, being in a group doesn't impact their lives that much anymore because they rarely release anything so they can continue doing it.
GFRIEND was actually gaining back their popularity when mago was first released.😭
It’s still a mystery on why all the members decided to leave source music, when there were comebacks and events planned .
Viviz is good, but it nots the same without the other member and honestly it needs yuju, sowon and Yerin to help balance it out.
@@MochieeeMoon I believe the n*zi scandal might have been the main reason behind it, everything was going perfectly prior to that
As an aside from Loona's incredible bad contract, I mean INCREDIBLY bad, what are the contractual obligations of underaged performers in Korea for debts incured from training and promotion? In the US I can see those contracts being torn up in court.
I would be fine with Iz*One disbandment but the only thing upsetting was that I can't find the same kind of melody they do, their music just stands out a lot and listening to their songs again and again doesn't make me tired but I still hope to hear the same melody that impacted me like Iz*Ones did in a different group
I agree with the blackpink one as a blink. I feel like the members wanna do separate things in their carers for example jisoo, she would focusing more on acting and stuff and members like rosie would be a solo artist. I feel its because of the lack of comebacks they probably feel bored and want to do something else in their lives. I can definitely see a difference between their rookies years as blackpink to now and seems like they lost their sprit in being a kpop idol.
Honestly I can see bp renewing. I mean it’s a win situation for them, they can rest for almost the entire year or do other activities. Plus YG pays them well. But in the end it depends on what the girls want. If they want to produce their songs freely then YG is not the company for them but if they are content with their current situation (which is my theory) then I can see them resigning.
Exactly my thought
I think people forget how difficult and exhausting it can be for idols with traditional comeback schedules. Having 1 comeback a year actually seems really nice. They still get to perform and release music, but the rest of the year they can actually enjoy their earnings and live their lives. On the other hand, Twice barely have time to breathe.
@@youweremymuse yes 1 cb a year (with full album , 10+ songs) would be fine .
Not like Twice coming back again and again in a year (overworked)
Also not like BP coming back once in 2 years (under work)
I think the group that i wish hadn't disbanded is 2ne1. I flip-flop with whether 2ne1 was better off disbanding all the time- but in the end i say they weren't. I'm aware YG probably would have never treated them better and would have pushed them to the wayside in favor of bp when they debuted. But- if they had held out and not been abruptly disbanded but rather put on a long hiatus- they would have outlasted YG's (the man's) control of the company.
If they had managed to stay together they could have done what YG's old bgs do now, have one cb or single every 2-3 years and then pursue their own individual activities. CL would have maintained the rights to all the songs she wrote when she was under contract with them. The other members- Bom, Minzy, and Dara would have been able to pursue their solo activities without starting from scratch. And, as someone who loves CL's solo stuff, it would have been amazing to have her making music for years rather than only now restarting her solo career.
Plus disbandment really did a number on the members and I would prefer they didn't have to go through that.
LOONA's problems really started with the falling out between BlockBerry Creative and Jaden Jeung/Monotree. LOONA was Jeung's project, and kind of like how HBO's Game of Thrones fell apart after they ran past the original source material, once Jeung was gone, BlockBerry didn't really know WHAT to do with LOONA as a concept, because they weren't deeply involved in the creation of the mystical moon girls story. Jeung has a variety of issues himself, and his plan for LOONA had lots of flaws, such as presenting the members AS the mysterious characters they portrayed within the lore, rather than human performers who had real needs and creative desires. (I still wonder how much of HaSeul's 18 month hiatus was due to her frustration at being isolated from the "real world" and fans during 2018-2019, and how she and roughly half the members were basically treated as "story props" rather than singers and musicians.)
Monotree created the "LOONA sound", and once that was lost, they became just another girl group that BlockBerry had to figure out concepts for and hire songwriters to fit those concepts. For a moment, Ryan Jhun seemed like the person who would step in and fill the void left by Jeung/Monotree; even though "Not Friends" was only four members, it was probably the most interesting concept the group had done since "Butterfly". But he got distracted by his bugAboo project and now has walked away from that too. Unless a company with VERY deep pockets buys BlockBerry or at least buys out the members' contracts and the LOONA back catalogue so that they could continue AS LOONA rather than just "former members of LOONA", I don't see a way forward for the group.
Problems started since they signed that contract, let’s be real
@@rheimy7819 No, if you followed them from the start you'd know they were once a very promising group and the members were truly happy and excited about the project - I agree it started falling apart with the loss of their creative producers
@@suzyocean7392 I partly agree with Rheimy - the contracts were flawed from the very start and there would have been problems eventually due to their terms. But I think the falling out between Jeung/Monotree and BlockBerry really started the clock ticking towards where we are now, as it left BlockBerry in full control with no checks upon their oversight until Chuu became popular enough and powerful enough to stand up to them.
@@Vektorix28205 that's very true, even though Jaden has many flaws, his vision gave Loona it's foundation and monotree gave them the mystical, nostalgic yet futuristic sound. I couldn't resonate with their later comebacks because they just became a girl crush/ cute concept group like any other. Nothing much to look forward or to set them apart
My opinion is that CLC should have disbanded, but not in the way that they did. We got Helicopter in late 2020 and then Yujin competed on GP999 in late 2021, right? So, in early to mid 2021, they should have had one final farewell comeback, officially disbanded, and then they all moved onto their post CLC careers (such as Sorn releasing all of her solo projects and Yujin joining Kep1er). But just telling the girls that they’re dismissed and not updating the fans? Cube can burn to the ground for all that I care. Don’t get me started on Hui joining BP999 and how that shows us what the future of Pentagon looks like 😭💔
My same thoughts go for GFriend. Just let them reach the end of their contracts and have an actual farewell comeback. But no, they were forced to disband by their company. And then Fromis_9 and Le Sserafim went on to lose members. The fact that HYBE bought out Source for their experience in managing girl groups… They may wanna check the resume better next time…
...wdym chungha's solo career isn't anything special. i'm not a diehard fan of hers but its undeniable she's one of the most popular and successful soloists in all of kpop
i feel like that a bit of an overstatement but to each their own
Up through 2020 I would say Chung Ha's career was really on the rise. "Gotta Go", "Snapping", "Stay Tonight", "Play" - every comeback she was getting more buzz and there was a real chance for her to become a breakout international star, not just a Kpop soloist. But her company, MNH Entertainment, bungled the pandemic so incredibly badly. Releasing a double album as a showcase made sense in the before times, but once COVID cut companies and artists off from in-person promotions and concerts (where the money comes from), MNH SHOULD have followed the lead of other companies that pivoted to streaming concerts and quick comebacks to generate revenue. MNH was stubborn and stuck to the plan for preview single after preview single, with no physical release, no streaming concerts, spending money left and right. When Querencia was delayed first from summer to fall 2020 and then to early 2021, the company had gone for over a year with basically no revenue. BVNDIT were put on hiatus, and there was no margin for error with Chung Ha's album - it had to be a big success. And it wasn't. BVNDIT are disbanded now, Chung Ha speaks publicly about how she hates her company and wants to leave, and she's gone almost two years since Querencia with only a couple of small-scale singles and an assortment of small-scale festival appearances.
Chung Ha's career isn't dead, but compared to where she was three years ago, post-"Snapping", her company has failed her and she needs a change if she is to have any chance or bouncing back.
@@redvelvetsus I feel like ioi should come back tbh, they were quite popular the year they were active
@@redvelvetsus Tho it would be hard with WekiMeki active
Chungha growth in popularity stopped 2 years ago
I have the feeling blackpink won’t disband. There aren’t any signs that they’ll disband unless yg forcibly disbands them. YG has been teasing their new girl group for years and I’m sure they’ll debut in 2023. I feel like they’ll resign their contract but be stuck in the dungeon again and having huge hiatus like always.
true, i can see them renewing and staying together on paper but i don’t see them being more active than they’ve been in the past few years
Tbh I think Blackpink might renew their contract. And if it’s not for music then for a bigger picture. Because if you really think about it the whole system they have going on right now is sadly kinda smart in a way. For the fans it sucks but if you think about it from the idols view it’s a win financially. They only have to go to a studio, perform and promote every like 2 years or so. And no matter what they put out it gets lots of views and lots of streams. YG saves money on music videos and sets only having to do it every 2 years. When they do promote it’s like a month or so. No matter what they get called the top girl group because of the sales and loyal fans. Then they make good money from the tour. And the rest of the time they get to go travel for fashion shows, go out on the parties and nightlife, and get lots of brand deals. Post pictures once in awhile for the fans saying “miss you blinks” and it all works out. It’s financially genius. Because the fans are so starved for content, music, and music videos that they just restream music videos and the songs they already have and that ups the streams and views for the band. I would renew for that tbh. Because if the fashion deals make more money why not in a way. I think the girls started out liking music but I think things shifted along the way and they found other things they may like more. So I think they will renew because of that. And honestly having the Blackpink name is also not just the bands name anymore it’s now their brand name also so why let it go in a way.
Genius isn't required to make money. Let's not insult those that actually innovate with the likes of just capitalism at it's lowest form.
@@monimuppet6132 I never said anything about your other “innovators” And I never said it was better or lower than other idols. But whether we like it or not it’s worked the best for them. Not my problem if you don’t like it.
I absolutely agree. Personally if I were them I would have resigned. Like you said they have their brand deals and they get a lot of free time (which a lot of idols do not). But it will depend on where their priority lies. If they really want to make music, they should leave yge
@Hailey Mitchell Where did I deny that it works? We all know it works. What I said is that it doesn't deserve the label of "genius." It's an age old, bottom of the barrel tactic that YG didn't need to use the slightest bit of brain power to enact. This is not a give-credit-where-it's-due situation. The man's a user and I don't have to applaud just because it worked. Lots of trash ideas work. Doesn't mean they're worthy of praise.
@@monimuppet6132 you sound upset because it’s worked for them. That’s not my problem. Whether you like it or not all I said was I know it works for them. And you are on here trying to give me a lecture on hard work. I work in finance I know all about work. We get it you don’t like Blackpink and I don’t care. There are plenty of other groups you can go watch if you would like.
Izone to me was about the perfect balance of chemistry between all the girls and the style of music which is unique to them. All their voices together created the izone voice. Thats the beauty and real wizones recognize this. if they had a reunion with a new song now after all the girls’ continued development it would shake the ground. I remember feeling like at the time of their disbandment all of them were at the top of their game and they just continued to improve post izone. If they had stayed together I believe they would have continued their growth anyway. But seeing them all together in the future with how insanely talented they are now would be legendary
I don’t want blackpink to disband but they don’t seem that passionate about it anymore. And blinks can’t keep blaming YG because I doubt yg would stop them from doing group activity. They had 2 years to improve on their skills and they somehow managed to get worse, it’s actually extremely upsetting bc they care so little they don’t even go live anymore, and when they do it’s only for like 20 mins. Teddy talks about quality over quantity but that’s just something he says to shut fans up, in reality they probably go on vacation for 90% of their hiatus and work in the last few months before they announce their comeback. So to sum it up, they’re being really careless and they get away with it bc they’re blessed to have a dedicated fanbase.
Babes be so Fr your saying that they were on vacation 90% of the time but every time they traveled it was for work. I didn’t realize you were the members to say their not passionate enough.
And yes your right they get away with it because they actually have dedicated fans just like ANY other fan that supports their group
if you dont think they are passionate anymore you CLEARLY are not a fan LMFAO
also blackpink are constantly working i swear yall kpop stans think if a group isnt having 4847 comebacks theyre just at home doing nothing lol
@jmari9840 @user-nw5lf9if6s as a fellow blink who supports them since 2018 and saw them live this year pls stop kidding yourself. It's pretty obvious that they're just not passionate about it anymore. If you don't wanna believe me take Lisas word for it who literally told us that she's the only one showing up to dance practices.
I love them but I'm also sure that the idol life as a group just isn't for them anymore (I do think that Lisa still wants the idol life tho).
Also regarding the work comment. Yes maybe they are not on vacation that much but all the few campaigns that they run, other idols do that NEXT to their idol activities so that's not really a point proven. Taking pictures takes one day. maybe more but never up to a week. At this point they are influencers not idols and you have to accept that otherwise you'll end up very disappointed.
I don't even think they should disband but bp should defs leavveeeee yg
but the thing is, would they really want to stay a group? it fr looks like they all want to do their own thing, not be stuck in a group where they all don't get equal opportunities (i'm mostly looking at jisoo and rosé who always get the shorter end of the stick)
@@forg_tful. mhmmm yeah idk anymore, all ik is if they stay with yg they don't give af about making music or their fans
If they leave BP i don't think they can still release music as a group especially when their whole entire brand, their music style is all made by YG. Their producer and songwriters only work for YG, they are in house producers, if they leave YG they will not be blackpink, because in terms of music, lyrics, image, choreography, music videos, it's all made by YG themselves. The girls are just the models and the voices.
@@-amel-9896 exactly. YG owns the rights to everything, basically. they'd have to start completely from scratch and honestly i don't think any of them are passionate enough about being blackpink to do all that.
@@-amel-9896 lmao true
For Blackpink I'm kinda on the fence because its double sided.
It's a YG thing, excluding Live concert albums, 2ne1 has 3 mini albums and 2 full length albums if I'm not mistaken, they also have 12 singles. I feel like it's just the way YG manages their ggs and it's Hella disappointing.
I think blackpink is going to disband in 2023. I don't think they're going to renew their contract nor leave yg and go to any other agency. I'm sorry but I feel like once they disband, we won't see them together anymore since each member is going to take different paths. I also see a lot of blinks saying that they have schedules after their 7th anniversary but it doesn't really mean anything bc 1) those schedules are not confirmed they're just rumors and 2) members can still do stuff together even after they disband it's not like they're forbidden to interact with each other once their contracts end
also another reason I think they're going to disband is the new yg gg that is apparently going to debut in 2023.
They not
i.o.i shouldn’t have been a permanent group but should have had WAY more time. one year? that’s too little time. if they’d at least had 2 years, they would have been able to set a stable fanbase and able to carry those fans onto post-i.o.i careers.
I definitely agree with blackpink and izone. I love izone with all my heart and till this day i listen to their music with a feeling of missing them. However, i wouldnt consider myself a fan of them just a casual listener, i loved their music and their performances but theres one thing that always bothered me abt izone. Its how a lot of the members r not given their full potential, just like what u said the members r easily so overshadowed. Now that theyve gone their own ways some members now shine more.
Now with blackpink theyre a group that just does music as a side job i said what i said 💀 they feel so done. Like lisa is the only one performing well lol i dont even need to say more.
With IOI i agree that they shouldnt have disbanded and that theyre very wasted but i think the soloists chungha and somi r doing well i just feel like youre underestimating them. Like they have some hit songs, especially chung ha.
Before the first solo album release I remember Jennie making passive aggressive comments on tour like "we would love to play more songs for you but we don't have any". I think they will renew their contract. I also think they are at their peek but for the next 3 years their career will still be quit successful. But I don't think they will make more music. They could have double the amount of songs if they had an output like Twice.
It's a YG thing, excluding Live concert albums, 2ne1 has 3 mini albums and 2 full length albums if I'm not mistaken, they also have 12 singles. I feel like it's just the way YG manages their ggs and it's Hella disappointing.
I feel like if Izone had reunion or a comeback as a full Sakura would have improved a hell of a lot, HYBE helped her so much, just hope she gets more comfortable in her vocal's
For BlackPink I can't see them get bigger even if they are still no where near BTS level imo, BlackPink would likely improve if disbanding or at least leave YGE
In other words I feel like BlackPink are taking advantage of the connections they have
I Stan loona they’re my ults and have made me a avid K-pop listener but I truly believe they should disband. They’re literally in slave contracts and haven’t even made enough money to fund their lifestyles, I truly believe with loona disbanding the girls will go on to be Uber successful and I can only wish for nothing but the best for those girls in their future endeavours.
ioi vs izone is the best example of why u need a rich company to back you up
i have to disagree about wjsn, wjsn is definitely the one group that had decent achievements, yeonjung was never a popular member in ioi and she is much more appreciated for her skills in wjsn than in ioi, she was always (at least to me) overshadowed by sejeong. everything else you said is true, the ioi members were definitely more relevant, i guess chaeyeon and sejeong are popular actresses but idk their popularity fluctuates imo.
Timestamps!
1:15 - IZ*ONE
3:34 - I.O.I
4:48 - Blackpink
7:16 - CLC
8:34 - X1
9:15 - GFriend
11:56 - LOONA
I only disagree with GFriend because I feel with their last two comebacks their true potential was finally being realised by the audience and even by members themselves. They explored solo tracks, honed their personal skills and their lore was getting vast and solidified. What I think is even though mago and apple succeeded in catching the public eye, their expenses exceeded the revenue. It's not that there wasn't much left to offer, it is that the timing was not right, it was all a bit too late and the incoming fans weren't enough for the company to make note. Regardless I believe the disbandment was most poorly handed and I wish things were better discussed with the girls and a better option was thought of while involving them. If breaking the group was the only choice it should have atleast been done after a tour or a goodbye album, atleast a last stage. The members and their fans were robbed and it was quite the rude and cruel sendoff after all these years considering GFriend is the only reason source music is even standing
I agree with all of these and your reasoning (s). I don't know all the groups that well but what I know of them it makes sense.💜
Unpopular Opinion:
I want BLACKPINK to make another comeback next year
*but not with Teddy.*
Lmao
Althought I am somewhat biased, even non-buddys would disagree with Gfriend disbandment. As much as I respect other opinions, some of your statements are inaccurate. I watched your other video about Hybe hate bandwagon. It was released before scan Viviz where Sinb revealed that the girls were told Gfriend would end 1 month before the news. The probable reason they did not spoke about the contract expiration before and no other media referred to it, is because the contract did not expire in May 2021 but 6 months later in November 2021 (they debuted in January 2015, but initially was in November 2014), meaning they were terminated. In 2019 I did read and never forgotten about Big Hit announcing Source music as independent, however, I can't fully believe blindly a company that cares so much about money, obviously the big boss of these companies has the final word. At first, I thought that beeing under Hybe would provide more resources and growth to Gfriend. If you were in the fandom you would know that a lot of Buddys disliked the transition because they felt the shift in concepts that did not suit Gfriend versus when solely managed by SoMu. SoMu and Pledis are differently managed, sure, but it does not mean Big Hit/Hybe would not get involved in important decisions. Bang PD is involved in all the steps of Apple (lyrics, composing, arranging) and in Big Hit groups, but not at all for Seventeen. Also, the whole team is totally different from before aquisition. Also, what are the chances that 2 well established groups would disband in a year span after their respective companies were aquired by Hybe? Who decided that the new girl group (Le sserafim) would be under SoMu? Hybe or whoever is the boss. SoMu had schedules and contents for days after the termination day, the trademark for their english name was only applied 2 months before the termination day, all this means that the disbandment was not planned by SoMu, rushed, for what reason? We don't know but there are some theories. What would SoMu gain from disbanding their sole money maker and not benefit from having both Gfriend and Le sserafim? Do we actually know if Hybe really wanted to invest in Gfriend or for SoMu to debut the potential more internationally known new girl group? All these very suspicious things are why some of us are suspecting someone other than SoMu is involved.
Gfriend should have disbanded because they were going nowhere? because repetitive concept? because they had stagnant sales/numbers? If you really felt bad for them, why not say that at least the disbandment freed them from that company that refrained them from expressing their potential and where they had a few expisodes of mismanagement? If you really are a casual listener you cannot grasp the whole situation. The girls where looking forward for the speculated comeback. Sowon said at their 6th anniversary: I feel like it's only the beginning. They had so much they wanted to show and stay together. Mago definitely helped them gain recognition in America. A lot of youtubers to this day say that it was one of the best song they have heard. The thing is at the time a bunch of new girl groups were already popular: (G)-idle, Everglow and Itzy, and Covid did not help. Still, their numbers were huge in 2020, #4 in sales behind Twice, Iz*one and Loona. They are not gaining more than that to be at the top is probably what the company would say. K-pop should not be about numbers (even if at the end of the day it's a business), the girls wanted to continue, the fans always support them, their talent and friendship are unique. This mess was created by the companies both SoMu and Hybe. Pattern of concepts? Well maybe because that is what suit their unique style, storyline and what domestic public and fans are loving the most. Maybe you don't like their previous concepts or find them repetitive (honestly that's what haters said in 2016), but I as a fan preferred way more sunrise, time for the moon night, and crossroads than apple. No other group those it like them. Disbanding was not a good option for the girls because it brought a lot of stress and suffering, they miss each other and cry a lot when reminiscing the past. Since the aquisition, I felt that they were less happy or having fun. Also, if I remember correctly, I am not sure if they really liked the paths and concepts they were doing last. Now with Viviz the 3 members experiment more and are more free to try concepts but something is missing. To be from a bankrupted basement company to being in Hybe is another level of impressive and they deserve respect. Many other groups would never have their level of success, would that mean they should disband? Sadly, the reasons you are stating of their disbandment is from a business point of view, not on a human side, as I fear you may be unaware or just did not mentionned of how they feel of the matter, the concepts change, how much they wanted to stay together a long time. I believe they would have been able to grow bigger with a great comeback and concept we might not have seen before. Who said SoMu would faill to do so? Those are just hypotheses. I could write a book about all I have to say lol. Hope you read my long comment. My girls were failed by the companies, not because they wanted to leave.
I like your analysis of KPOP groups. Thank you. 71 years old I discovered KPOP in Feb 2023. Blackpink was my first group and I really liked them. Then I discovered 2NE1 and became a Blackjack. 2NE1 and its betrayal by YG highlight the power of management to make or break groups. I sure you know 2NE1 did not want to disband but YG or maybe Mr. Yang wanted to break them up. "Cupidity is the root of all evil." and still true.
1. Iz*one - True . Their songs were good but they were not meant to be together. They are doing good separately.
2. IOI - I loved them . They were amazing as a group. They had amazing chemistry.
3. Blackpink - They should disband . They don't have a future as a group. They resigned their contract but it wasn't a good decision. Jisoo should have focused on her acting career. Rosé should gave become a solo artist in the west . Jennie can easily be a model . Lisa can be an entertainer because she is quite funny .
4.CLC - They haven't actually disbanded. Cube simply abandoned them. Sorn said so herself. If they were still active, they would have been very famous because they have good songs .
5.X1 - They shouldn't have disbanded. They were amazing together.
6.Gfriend - They shouldn't have disbanded. They would have done good on charts because they were doing better and better every year . Source was a stupid company. They just didn't know how to handle the group. If they were in some other company, they would have done amazing with the same songs .
7.Loona - They needed to disband because of their stupid and horrible company.
i agree with the blackpink one i used to be the biggest blackpink fan in 2016-2017 but i lost interest from the lack of music and content. Jisoo probably be a actress, Rosé will probably be a soloist, Jennie will probably be a model and lisa will probably be a soloist or model
I agree with all of them-
I feel for Loona (the girls not BBC)
X1 had the chance to be the biggest boygroup in kpop...but politics got in the way
BP are no longer a group they are a brand and let's be honest they are a lackluster group at this point,if they were with any other Company they would have been disbanded a long time ago
CLC blame the company from day 1,no chance whats so ever
GFriend buddies talked more about their disbanding than their music...very telling.
Even as a blink i totally agree.
I realy do not see a future after there contract ends. I feel so sad but it's the best. . Like their Talent was wasted. It would of been better if they had promoted in these years so so they could experiment with their musik. But they didn't and now it's like 50 /50 if its going to be good or not and everyone is expectations for them is high. Like i think it would be the best if next years jisoo makes her solo, the do like something like 24365 the series on yt, and do a last song /minialbum /album together and do a last concert to end it good
I think the only thing I don't agree with is IZ*ONE and GFRIEND.
IZ*ONE: I know that as a project group it was difficult for them to continue as a group but they just separated when they were gaining more and more popularity and that is something sad... something different from the case of kep1er who we know are going to separate soon and are a project group too, however, they are no longer as popular due to poor management of the company. In the case of iz*one, I remember how great they were doing and how great their comeback was even though I wasn't a big fan of them...
GFRIEND: mmm... I think it's true that they were experimenting with different concepts with them, however, what they did to them was so unfair. To this day, the girls continue to maintain that literally hybe and source music forced them to separate and that in itself is unfair, they wanted to continue as a group and continued to believe in the group's potential, that is the reason why Many of us hate the idea that they have separated, it was not fair to them. If they were still together who knows what things they would have achieved, it's sad.
same i agree that ioi should’ve been a permanent group. they were so talent as a group and could literally do anything with te members they had. and if they still were a group i feel like i would’ve gotta way bigger. but that’s js imo.
I disagree with gfriend d word. Because everyone was not expecting it to be so sudden even other fandom was shocked
Problems started with loona ever sense they signed that contract with bbc
As much as I was sad when Gfriend disbanded, I must admit, you're right.
One more group i think of BLACKSWAN. like they should just stop. Its a mess
With the Blackpink thing it's totally true... I don't understand why they decided to renew if clearly none of the 4 are encouraged to continue as a group, they all want to continue their solo activities...
My theory is that they had to do it forcefully due to yg (I don't know, maybe something happened with the company and they had to renew yes or yes and that's why it took so long to reach an agreement, we know that blackpink has been a very big achievement for yg and they weren't going to let them go so easy, it's sad to think that but it can be a reality) because on the born pink world tour it seemed like they didn't even want to continue performing as a group, the controversy was so big at that time due to the little enthusiasm they wanted and now that each one is starting with their solo activities they look happier (jennie performing on a variety show she looked so happy and we had a while without seeing her like that or rosé doing her broadcast channel on instagram and talking about her new material is something we all expected, all they look bright and happy more than as a group)
no idea what to expect from them as a group because honestly, I don't expect anything...
BlackPink i highly doubt they have peaked. People say this every year. They are bigger than ever according to the numbers even with everyone saying that their comeback was horrible and their solo being bad. So it just shows us that our bubble on TH-cam Reddit and Twitter opinion doesn’t matter to the general public.
THE QUEEN RETURNED
agree with izone
girl you abused tf out of the word genuinely 😭
GFRIEND SHOULD OF NEVER DISBANDED IDC WHAT UALL SAY
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE WITH IZONE!
I’m a blink and feel the girls will all resign with YG but not continue as a group. I think they will still be managed by YG but go their separate ways career wise.
I ult lesserafim and I stan ive but I think generally the izone girls were happier in izone from what I’ve seen they looked very comfortable but we can give them time and they’ll be just as comfortable on their new groups too.
I also ult Lesserafim and Stan Ive, but I sincerely think that Chaewon and Sakura are happier in Lesserafim than in Iz*one. They feel more satisfied with their new image and improvement, and the way they are implied with their stories and directions their group and music are taking. I really think that if you ask them now which group they prefer, they will answer Lesserafim. It doesn't mean that Iz*one wasn't important for them, but undoubtedly, it's now with Lesserafim that they both are recognized for who they are and their talents.
@@miri5754 im talking about happiness with their friends and as a family. I dont think they would answer LESSERAFIM OR IZONE, cuz both groups are cherished and important. but sakura called izone her family multiple times, and chaewon said iz*one was the best memory of her life, and chaewon also had a panic attack at izones disbandment concert. I mean they were so comfortable with their friends in izone theyd just climb into eachothers beds and hug their member while sleeping
you ult le sserafim but you think they're not comfortable with each other? are we watching the same group? one doesn't have to be above or more important than the other, they can each have their own place and purpose in their lives.
@@thehannahroboto i think theyre comfortable.. just not AS comfortable
@@alishaoop2676 Well at that time, iz*one was the best time of their life's, of all 12 of them. It was their best experience, none of them had lived something like that, not even Sakura and her many years of jpop idol life. Iz*one was huge for any of them, it boosted them beyond their greatest hope.
Chaewon experiencing a panic attack at their disbandment concert was no surprise, all of them were led to believe they could continue and prolong their contract together, and they were swept abruptly. In little time, they learnt that they would finally disband and they didn't knew what the future would hold for them. Would they be able to reproduce the success they experienced, or would they have to live the same fate of the members of the past Produce groups?
They cherished iz*one, but they now are cherishing Lesserafim, they added more members to their family, and both Sakura and Chaewon even said that they really bonded and got to know each other better with Lesserafim. Even watching the chemistry between the 5 of them, we can say that they all consider they are like a family.
Watching now what they are experiencing, they got what they wanted : a group with great members who get to shine equally, supported by a very good team and agency, producing music and making impact in the kpop world. Iz*one was great, but they were not equally supported, they didn't had all the ressources they have now in their new respectives teams (for ex, the Japanese members of Iz one didn't had proper Korean lessons, they learned it themselves. Heck, all 12 of them had to teach themselves for Fiesta, Eunbi had such burden on her shoulders, members had spoke about it).
Sorry for the long text 😭 but in short, even looking at their contents like Lesserafim day off and we can see that they are as comfortable as in Iz one, of not more, but I'm more inclined to think more. Even if it's Chaewon and Sakura of Lesserafim, I can still see Chaewon and Sakura of Iz one , which is something I can't say for Yujin and Wonyoung.
I think wanna one shouldn't have disbannded, I miss them till this day😭
I am still so mad about x1
what is your opinion on wayv?
Fun fact: Bornpink performed worse than the album
it definitely didn't
@@sophie-wj6hj it did. Hylt lasted longer on spotify charts than pink venom and shut down. The album lasted longer on billboard 200 than bornpink and even debut with more units. Hylt hit 500M views faster than pink venom
@@haru-fm2to those are only 3 aspects tho, this is misleading. born pink got 1m more pre-orders. shut down & pink venom charted higher than hylt on bb100 and are pulling twice as many streams on spotify. pink venom & shut down also went number 1 on spotify global. you're cherrypicking lol
@@sophie-wj6hj there are more but I don't have the energy for all that. I'm not Cherry picking. Bornpink had spotify deals but pink venom and shut down couldn't outlast hylt that did everything on it's own. Even blinks are aware that the album performed better than bornpink
@@haru-fm2to it really didn't and that spotify deal ended months ago, pink venom and shut down still charted higher on billboard 100. the album only sold like 10k more in the us, the difference is kind of irrelevant, not to mention it had 3 features on it and born pink has none. idk what blinks think, this is just objectively incorrect.
Omg
Blackpink will keep getting bigger and bigger forever ✨🫵🏼
Gfriend shouldn’t have disbanded… I mean yes they weren’t as popular as they were during their peak, but looking at the current trends for 3rd gen ggs that was inevitable. The thing is though that MAGO was their last comeback and depsite 3 back-to-back comebacks during the height of the pandemic, they still sold out all their albums, their virtual concert, all the merch and membership they put out in weverse, all this pointing to a stable group with a stable (albeit increasing) fandom. MAGO was literally their most successful international comeback and as a buddy I was so excited to see what more GFRIEND would show us so when the disbandment was announcement it felt so abrupt, and it was probably the worst day of my life lmao. There was no sign of disbandment and tbh to this day I still hold onto the belief that Source Music got rid of GFRIEND to start “fresh” with Le Sserafim. I’m not blaming any of the members, but Source Music’s management of GFRIEND was crappy till the end, and they deserved better.
i am so sorry but yes blackpink should have disbanded.
iz*one was one of my only two ults back then, but i'm now at peace and also kinda happy about their disbandment. there's no good reason to keep that many talented girls in one space any longer. it was a good move to still disband them because look at all the good groups, soloists, opportunities, and music that came out of it, they've served their purpose.
being sakura biased, iz*one never really did her and several other members' talents justice. it would be hard to in any 12 member group honestly. as good as their songs were, it was only the same 6 or 7 people that were being pushed out and getting actually decent lines. sakura still gets the least lines in le sserafim, but i could never imagine iz*one sakura getting the same amount or even quality of lines. she shines so much more and is way better off in le sserafim.
I'm so early that Ariana still has tears to cry 😂😂
Utter bullcrap. The bad reputation BlackPink had gotten were created and fueled by haters. Editing a bunch of snippets of the tour to create a negative narrative was obviously taken out of context. Their concert is highly energized from start to finish. The girls can just stand there and the crowd will go wild. The concerts in Japan, Manila, UEA and so on were just incredibly wild. You take their tour as a whole not from a few specifically selected moments of the girls easing into their performances. Instead of getting a gauge of their concert through the eyes of suspected videos with obvious ill-intent, try getting a consensus from those who actually attended, like me for example. I went to the LA concert, electrifying from start to finish. I'm a fan and I'm just one person so clearly my opinion is bias. But to analyze a group's performance based on social media? You're better than that.
Fast forward to today, it's been reported that they're planning a US encore tour for San Francisco. Los Angeles, Las Vegas, and New Jersey (all stadiums) AFTER their current contract concludes. This means them re-signing with YG is all but a foregone conclusion. They'll be headlining Coachella tomorrow, and another festival in the UK in July and another in France. Jisoo just debuted, breaking records left and right, and Lisa just collaborated with Big Bangs Taeyang that'll be coming out in ten days. The girls are still on top, hot and in demand as ever. So you can take your dumbass synopsis of assuming that the girls simply have no interest as a group and shove it where the sun don't shine. I mean all this with all due respect. Just irks me whenever anyone would take the words of haters as gospel.
You guys wanting bp to disband is crazy. You never say that about boy groups.
I kinda agree with all of them tbh....aside from X1 cause altho I love the members or their careers but because back then lalalay sunmi was robbed of so many wins just cause of flash.....so yeah I was so happy they dissbanded as karma for that...tbh as for Gffiend too I don't agree with that either...cause mago & apple really hit the mark for almost everyone ..viviz r doing alright tbh yuju needs some more support from kang danirl cause she did nothing much
how is it x1’s fault that they won over sunmi? thats sad
YOoooo, i mean lalalay is soooo good but being happy for the disband just because they win over Sunmi??
being happy that they disbanded just because they won and your favs didn’t is weird and toxic 💀
......they disbanded because "karma hit them for winning awards that sunmi should've won"????? Are you even listening to yourself 😭
"TFTMN or Sunrise concept is boring"
Me: insta-disliking the video lmao go uncommon concepts or go home👊👊
i feel like if you actually follow blackpink you wouldn't think what you do. they're very clearly passionate and do enjoy being together as a group. non-fans see clips of them fucking up on the first stop of the tour and think they've given up on being idols lol trust and believe that's not the case. ik you said you didn't mean it in a hater way but i really hate the discussion around blackpink's contract renewal/possible disbandment because people are so overly negative about all the wrong shit like it's simply not true.
Keep lying to yourself lol
Yes cause they look SOOOOO "passionate" and "coordinated" at their recent tour ..... just accept the fact that they don't want to do this idol thing anymore and they wanna move on with their lives and do something they actually like and aren't FORCED to do.
@@saeicid I'm not a blink but i noticed that y'all are so negative when it comes to BP. There are so many groups fucking up on stage but yall give them a free pass, but once it's blackpink suddenly its "they dont seem passionate" "they are forced" IDK.. There are many videos where they are coordinated and energetic, perfoming with a smile on their faces and interacting with the crowd, but for some reason you guys only focus on the few times they did mistakes to make these kind of assumtions. In fact, i've never seen kpop stans say something positve about them
@@heesio I'm literally a blink and I've BEEN a blink since the Boombayah era which is their debut song. This entire tour has been rushed and not at all prepared enough since they're all either A. Exhausted, B. Not executing the moves in their choreographies correctly, C. Not singing live for most of the shows and D. Not feeling like they want to be there but are only there because they're still under a contract which states that this is something they gotta do. I'm not saying they don't like what they're doing but it's very clear to me that at least 3 of the members seem like this shit isn't for them anymore and that they don't want to participate in anything that's close to what they're doing right now. Have you seen any interviews with them recently where they are vocal about them wanting to release more music or wanting to perform better? It's glaringly obvious that the lack of promotion, being forced to not make their own music, being silenced constantly and having a song every year/2 years took a toll on their interest and the passion for this job.
For the "you give them a pass" point, have you been on Twitter for AT LEAST 10 seconds? Idols get EATEN ALIVE on Twitter for simply twisting their leg slightly which isn't apart of the choreo. I mean, fucking Wonyoung got hated on for eating.....EATING, so no, we don't do it unjustifiably.
@@saeicid how do you know they don't want idols anymore when they said that
izone was a perfect group and shouldnt have disbanded you don't know what you're talking about
Why should 2/3 of the members be doomed to the sidelines for 7 years? They're humans, you know. All that training for what, to wave their pretty little limbs around while the same few members get to actually sing and perform? Perfect my ass. They did what they signed up to do and now they're free. They're not your puppets.
and you don't know how to disagree with opinions in a respectful manner
well from what i see I prefer how le sserafim gave the oportunity to sakura and chae to showcase their talent, they look better in this mature concept rather than izone concept.
@@cookiemonster8184 idgaf
@@marihanramos5443 they look better in iz*ones concept elegant concepts are better