What happens if you expose Windows 98 to the Internet in 2024?
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@@poochychin 💀 what?
I have insight on this. Um, they're either incompetent when it comes to windows.
Or, they're the kind who can just, fix everything, make it into a live server, connect multiple computers, media box, ect. Knows the codes for error, if its the graphics card, cpu, ram, motherboard, powersupply, under violated, or volted, history of the chips, connectors, etc. You name it. But also think you're incompetent and that windows is not for the end user to use, also, the best version is enterprise, yada yada powershell better.
You get an invite to Little Saint James 2: James Harder if they know Bill.
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"the operational system is older than I am" I feel so old. I got the physical version upon launch
I still remember using MS DOS, Windows 3.1, 95, 98, Millennium (never used 2000) and later iterations. When he said that i felt like an ancient mummy.
Aight unc
I was born in 95 but didn't play around with it until I was about 4 or 5. I decided I was doing my due diligence (I guess anyways; I was a child) and was moving folders to the Recycle Bin. Needless to say, I was impressed at both my mother for not getting angry at me, and her using MS-DOS to restore the WINDOWS folder.
Me too... I remember upgrading from 95. I was like 14 at the time but still...
I actually got 3.1. Not at launch, but it was before 95 existed, and only because I didn't had a computer in 1992. I am older than that still 🥲
Microsoft: We've got problems. They hate windows 11 so much they're trying to downgrade to 98.
Windows 11 has similar issues to Windows 10, the most famous with the Start menu freezing or crashing. Microsoft dont know whats causing it. Unreliable Microsoft are.
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that beads it !
Exposing enigma to the internet. 😆
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@@the_mariocrafter i remember your jadoo killscreens :3
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"This operating system is older than I am"... and suddenly I just felt a whole lot older than I already felt
Well a video made by a dumb teenager that does not know what is he doing and googles everything
Same. Grew up with Windows 3.1, 95 and 98. I thought Eric is a fellow Millennial or a Gen Xer.
Same lol I started learning front end in 99 so I remember installing win 98 from win 95! 😅
cp/m here :\
Bro is running windows 98 inside of windows 7 inside of... *W H A T*
Their host OS is most likely Linux because of the use of KDE's kwin and Konsole at some points of the video
Makes me feel like I'm in the Matrix.
@@system128the host os is proxmox, he said so in the video, the kde you see is because he is using a web kvm to see the vm
He is running Windows 7 under Proxmox which is a virtualization OS based on Debian. I believe he is accessing the Win7 installation using Remmina or from the Proxmox "console". He appears to be viewing it with a Linux flavor running KDE.
@@system128 yeah i think Proxmox is linux
I have a dedicated Windows 98 PC that I use for retro games, software, and I connect it to the internet from time to time, mostly to do retro web browsing via the internet archive. Never had any problems. It can't even connect to most modern sites (and probably vise-versa) because it's so outdated. It's probably like you said, security by obscurity. Anyone looking to hack computers doesn't really have a reason to target Win9x anymore.
Maybe the hackers were the friends we made along the way
hackers before: I got into your pc, internet, bank account, stole your files, and corrupted your bios, bye bye
hackers nowdays: click herez to get robux
but there is still lots of vulnerable software, and it is still possible to hack into any device
I get the message, we should all switch to windows 98 to stay safe on the internet.
"only" issue with that is to find 16/32bit programs!
@@mho...32 bit shouldn't be too hard but 16 bit becomes unbearable. Feeding an 16 bit OS a 32 bit image would be like giving a cola to a victorian child
@@anon7149 first of all: victorian age children where well acquainted with cocaine(cola) 😅
and being a 90s teenager, i still have a bunch 16/32 bit games in a box somewhere, its not that outlandish! all these modern systems just dont know how to deal with many of them unfortunately, if you dont use emulators!...and even then its a tough pill to swallow for modern systems in any case!
@@anon7149 well, some stupid snowflake censored/deleted my reply, because it talked about the historic fact of cola's original ingredient, being well known to children in the victorian age🙄 ......
but being a 90s teenager, i still own a bunch of old 32/16 bit programs in a box somewhere ^^ and basically none of them can be used/run on any modern machine! even emulators struggle sometimes to execute a 16 bit one on modern machines!...but they are still out there 😆
I'm actually quite interested in how 2000 SP4 vs XP RTM vs fully updated XP would end up, if there were any patches that actually made a difference in the long run
Windows 95/98 are the most secure OS's exposed to the net as there are only a couple of services/processes that are vulnerable. Compare that with Windows 7 upwards that expose hundreds. The more exposed the more exploitable.
Are Blaster and Sasser still around?
I remember that W2K SP0 would be infected before you finished updating it. This was with a DSL modem directly connected to the internet. You had to remember to only connect to the internet *after* everything was set up and firewalled. I used the ZoneAlarm firewall back in those days.
@@moardargons8160 so did xp gold
@@moardargons8160 Very true. I remember setting up a clean W2K pc for a customer and when I connected the pc to their DSL router the pc was hit with a ton of messenger and udp attacks from neigbour computers on the DSL line.
I assume you mean by Expose as in connect directly to the internet without a router firewall. Because router firewalls pretty much stop everything unless you're visiting websites with that Windows 98 browser.
Yuh that's the idea
DMZ.
It's not just the firewall, the local network is behind a nat.
@@alandobrowski2876 I have a piece of test equipment that runs Windows XP embedded and I've not any issues. But for safety, I blocked the internet to that device at the router.
I'm often amazed when people get up in arms over connecting your ancient machines to the internet. After a certain point, malware developers cease targeting those old platforms. You don't see anything targeting Win9x because nobody builds malware for the 9x kernel anymore, if you installed something like KernelEx (an NT compatibility layer for 9x) you might get some issues, because malware IS built for the NT kernel, but that's likely the only instance where you may see issues. The same can likely be said for MacOS 7-9, nobody targets those systems because NOT ONLY are they outdated operating systems that nobody runs anymore, but they also run on a vastly different architecture than most current computers on the market.
Connecting NT-based systems to the internet with no firewall is suicide, though.
Completely and confidently incorrect. Malware hosts to this day scan for old OSes precisely because of their use in important outdated equipment. Connecting anything older than windows 7 to the Internet without a strict whitelist firewall WILL result in infection. Usually within a day. Windows 7 is also questionable at this point.
@@skycaptain95 So... about that. I have a PowerMac G4, an iMac G3, and a Windows 98SE machine that regularly stay connected to the internet, and occasionally run for days on end.
I have NEVER had any sort of malware on those systems. None of those operating systems are particularly chatty, they don't run many network services, and with any decent firewall (even just the basic one your normal consumer router provides) there's very little chance of an infection unless you're stupid and try to browse untrusted sites with outdated browsers.
I have network services I want to access on those machines to pull applications from my Unraid server, and I haven't had any issues at all.
Now, if we're talking fully exposing the systems to the internet, with no firewall, or hell, just a direct connection to your modem, then yes, that is a colossally stupid move, and you WILL get an infection sooner rather than later. But this isn't true if you're doing it like I, a normal human bean, does it.
Hypothetically, it opens me up to malware. Realistically, it just lets my legacy systems use my network services.
@@skycaptain95 Well, youtube decided to eat my previous attempt at a reply, but the short version is: If you have even a semi-competent firewall (even the one your basic consumer router provides) this isn't an issue. I have multiple classic MacOS machines, and a Win98SE machine that are regularly connected to my network to gain access to locally hosted network services, that have never gained any sort of malware by doing so.
If you're connecting it directly, without a firewall, then yes, that's a colossally dumb move, but with a firewall? Pretty safe, actually. Outdated NT based OSes are where dragons lie, because those OSes have far more active network services that might connect themselves to the internet, and thus be infected remotely. Win9x and MacOS 7-9 don't really have those issues, some of them have updaters, but those are easily disabled.
Is it something I'd recommend everyone do? Hell no. But is it as disastrously, cataclysmically dangerous as everyone says? Also no.
However there might be lots of legacy systems running very old OS's and no one's had the bravery to upgrade their os's... It does happen. LArge companies sometimes hide dirty secrets like a business critical application that's been running for 25 years, the source code was lost years ago and thus no one dares touch it...
@@MasterFrag91 yes, a strict whitelist firewall is really the best protection you can get (aside from not being a dumbass). We don't fundamentally disagree.
You forgot to imitate those dial up modem beeps verbally
9x is safer than NT these days
Pretty much. They're too different and nobody is using an internet connected 9x PC for anything important.
That's why Windows 98 is the better operating system. You might not even going to need anti virus if malware evolves where it can't run on 9x systems. If you want to use a 9x operating system I choose 98. Because it's the most stable and more designed for the internet. The one mars probe even still operates on Windows 98.
@@Nic98SE Your name is make sense
@@selami32 Haha.
@@Nic98SE me is arguably more stable depending on the hardware you're using.
SE = Second Edition and not Server Edition ;)
I remember in college connecting unpatched version of xp to the internet for the first time and got what felt like hundreds of malware in minutes. This was in the 00’s.
That shouldn't have happened with a firewall
@@fra93ilgrande probably, or could have been something special about the college network, it had one of the fastest internet connections at the time but maybe it was insecure.
On windows 98, SMB is not turned on by default. You need to turn it on via the control panel networking applet. One thing to try is to install Microsoft PWS. Could the content you serve affect whether or not you get "hacked"?
Really like your content, unique and educational, no bloat in your videos either which is common nowadays
Takes me back to the good old days.
For a while with Windows 2000/XP there was the sasser worm, like you would expose any PC running Windows 2000 to the internet and it was a matter of minutes until lsass.exe was exploited.
still a thing if you connect a clean win xp these days!
it happened in his 2000 video almost instantly :'D
Leave an old Linux distro exposed to the Internet next.
Ahh. I remember back in the day subnet scanning for ftp sites and getting /etc/passwd and using jack the ripper so I could telnet in. Encryption sure messed everything up. I blame AOL getting internet access.
@@djksfhakhaks good o' days
nothing will happen, it will work
@@noJobProgrammer imagine being such a fanboi of anything so much that you believe its unbackable.
@@noJobProgrammer OLD linux distro, like Ubuntu 12.04 or Debian 3. No firewalls no nothing, just a base install exposed to the internet
First install Win98SE. Upgrade Internet Exploder. Install Firefox. Install Unofficial Service Pack.
98 was still vulnerable to certain DoS which was patched in 98SE (which to my recollection had NO ports open upon install). I remember back in the day working on 98SE and it was more secure than anything else - however - I had hacked the kernal, removed fiolog.vxd and enabled NTFS and other things, and bundled it into the installation. Quite sure the vanilla 98SE was the more "secure out of the box" of all windows to date.
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Weird to think I used to install games on DOS 5.0 and 98 seemed like a huge improvement over Win 95. And this man was not even born when 98 was out. I fele ancient.
Humans when only AI can interact with OS: “Why did we move on so far from Windows 98?”
That's such good news! That means I can still use my Windows 98 machine for DOS gaming, and being able to use the internet to download applications for it. 😅
- Running windows 98 in VM.
- Host machine has Windows 7!
Brother I...
Win98 was the OS where I learned most of my computing skills.
What is this accent man? Sounds like your Canadian who's been living in the UK for a while.
was waitting for this one
Not only is SMTP actively blocked, it's required by law. You have to sign an agreement with your ISP in order to get that port opened up for sending. I think it's part of the CAN-SPAM act.
lol
If it's running in a datacentre, it may already just have it unblocked
I've not seen that on my home ISP in the UK
@@stevec00ps Well it's a US law, so not entirely surprised :) I guess I should have been specific, sorry!
@@LunaticEdit Interesting!
In the early 2000s I found thousands of Win98 machines that were directly exposed to the internet without a router or firewall. I was scanning the IP range of my local ISP for port 139 and found a lot of hosts that could be accessed via Windows Explorer (not IE). I could mount remote partitions (incl. drive c with full access), I could even send data to their printers. In a nutshell....it was fun, a lot of fun.
Then more people used XP and routers. My script-kid-hacking-skills were no longer working.
good old days
Nested virtualisation I guess requires guest OS cooperation? I can run the latest Debian at reasonable speeds, but I tried old Windows and OPENSTEP and it was absolutely atrocious.
This was in Vbox in PVE on Skylake , other configurations may vary?
ReactOS! The heckers may think it’s Windows 2000 but it might not really run the viruses properly 😂
To be fair, ReactOS barely runs ANYTHING properly.
I love the idea of ReactOS, but it's clear that it'll never really go anywhere, it hasn't in the decade and a half I've been watching. you're better off just using any given Linux distro with Wine.
@@MasterFrag91 please dont shit on ReactOS. the work they have done is absolutely insane considering they had to reverse engineer dos, ntoskernel, and then windows apis, which is hard. wine is a much easier approach as it just converts windows api calls to linux/mac/android ones.
@@BakaTheSussy I wouldn't say I'm shitting on it, the work they've done is pretty crazy, but I can both admire the progress they've made, while simultaneously believing it won't go anywhere.
It's a cool project, but it's effectively been in development for 28 years, and barely has compatibility for even Win9x programs, still has very little hardware compatibility, and even worse driver compatibility.
As cool as it is, I suspect it will only ever be a niche experimental OS that no-one ever ACTUALLY uses.
wow. You uploaded my favorite video series, in one of my favorite classic OS'es, when I'm eating one of my favorite lunches. Thanks.
I was using AOL to go online under Windows 3.11, but I suppose you can't really connect the OS to the internet in quite the same way?
Yeah, cool video. I still remember my family's old Windows 98 PC with a 600 MHz Pentium 3 and 128 MB RAM. It was the first machine I tried out Haskell on.
thank you for going through all the pain of setting this up!
Hey bro, good to see this video got some views, I hope more people find your channel. It's pretty cool!
Would you consider doing one of these tests on Vista? Or would it be a waste of time?
2:35 You just gave me the dumbest idea. Now i want to find out what would happen if i ran a VM inside a VM inside a VM and so on
Druaga1 has made a video on that
... nothing much? just a laggy mess
There's some ancient information out on the web about that. People claim that IBM used to have hardware designed to limitlessly and arbitrarily nest virtual machines.
It's probably going to work, but you'll have massive CPU overhead
And some VM software (such as Connectix/Microsoft Virtual PC and I think Hyper-V as well) can actually refuse to start if they detect they're running in a VM
"Hey everyone, Druaga 1 here."
Love these vids my guy, good work
Why does your accent swing from the UK to Australia via Canada and North America?
His accent is a mix of all sorts. I can't figure it out.
i assume you have an isolated network with all ports open, how would you go about setting something like this up?
You should see if the Windows 7 VM got infected by anything that escaped the 98 VM!
Is not Windows 7 adding a security layer between your Virtual Machine and the Internet as it has an integrated firewall?
Dont download Oracle VM from company IP or Oracle starts to threaten you
As i know virtual box is free even for commercial use but extension packs isn't. unless the company even proactive chasing for using virtualbox without expansion packs.
@@albi2k88 I think some trainee downloaded Oracle VM from Oracle site and Oracle sales dug out company contacts and started to bombard that company is using unlicensed software and how many licenses you gonna buy..
"...but this operating system is older then I am." yeah just hit me right in the old age why dont ya....
Windows 9x uses something called LANMAN so by default, Modem NT Operating Systems can't talk to it however you can enabled LANMAN support though.
Been waiting for this since u teased it dawg
Love these videos, keep it up!
How do you open close program without control alt delete? I used control alt end and it didn't work.
I love the Serial Expirements Lain refrences: admin@navi, the wired 🤣
1:30 "My Compute" does not compute!
Love this kind of content so I will subscribe
Were any online viruses ever written for Windows 3.1 or OS Warp 2? I know 3.1 had rudementary internet access with a browser and I don't know much about OS Warp
On Windows 3.1 with dial-up internet, you had a 3rd party TCP/IP stack, such as Trumpet.
Windows for Workgroups 3.11 supported network cards, but initially no TCP/IP. There was an update installing a TCP/IP stack.
for Windows 3.1 definitely but OS Warp 2 probably not because it was so obscure or at least not many
Sweet, I'm going back to Win98! Fingers crossed for Win2k, I absolutely loved that version. Close second favourite to Vista (no I'm not joking!)
Back in the day it definitely wasn't safe, I remember getting net send spam messages on the Win2k NAS/torrent box I set up in my student house in about 2002 😂
Huh... I thought it would get hacked directly! :D
Thanks for the video!
there are only 11 windows's how do you have the 98th one?
You're joking right
lul good one
inb4 windows 2000
"this operating system is older than i am so it should be fine" 😂
Now you can play Sim City 2000.
You may get better results using 86box or pcem for Windows 9x and dos, as they emulate more era appropriate hardware.
nested virtualization is insane.
Depends on their hypervisors. You can easily go three layers deep if you play your cards right.
QEMU or KVM are good starting points whereas the likes of VirtualBox or VirtualPC should only be used in the last step unless you accelerate them heavily.
i think my favorite part of his videos over time is watching eric's accent transition from a british accent into more of a north american accent overtime (compare his download button videos to now), it's sounding more and more north american
it's just interesting to hear an accent change between the two really quickly (he can sound british and north american within the same sentence sometimes and that is jarring)
Channel description says he is from Canada.
I want a part 3, but with Win 7 or win 8, I don't know if you already did it, I'm a new sub haha ^^"
Was there a reason for not simply using an old PC?
Nested virtualization for the authentic 100 MHz CPU experience!
@1:17 you could install it into a different folder if you wanted to break 70% of all software out there. At one point I had a system without a C: - so much stuff just broke...
I feel like this is going to be a great video. 🎉🎉🎉
having started my pc saga on win3.11, its always fun to the old ui again ;)
but lets be honest here.... what kind of bob would still write/keep-online tools to infect 25+ year old operating systems?!
Uh, sooo, if my Windows 9x and XP machines are behind a router/firewall and I have a gray IP, they won't get infected?
Yes, a modern residential router will block all these requests and you won't get infected from the Internet in this way. If other systems on your home network are malicious they could still get in. And of course if you use programs which access the network you could be opening a threat vector.
@@eDoc2020 thank you for your reply!
Dont let the 'Antikythera mechanism' exposed to the internet without Microsoft Security Essentials!
I've got a feeling your voice sounds like it's either heavy AI denoised or you are using a voice changer trained to immitate your own voice.
My thoughts were hes a Brit who's moved to the US
6:57 ngl It's kinda crazy to see Censys scanning that computer with not even 15 minutes of uptime
later in the video, its sounds like this adobe voice enhance...
did you use anything like that?
I've definetly also spotted it on another channel, i just dont know why you'd use it.
Its made to remove background noise AFAIK, but it definetly messes up the voice itself wayy too much...
I miss that load bar.
Nested simulation hypothesis be like
You need to port forward past your NAT. Your router is blocking any external connections to your internal IP. Unless you visit a bad site or initiate a bad connection from your host nothing is going to happen unless you are already comprised on your network. Having an old operating system is only dangerous if you actually use it.
You could run google on Windows 1.0 I swear to god
Might actually be a video idea, but I think it's probablyg onna be 3.1.
@@EricParker still googles keeping alive stuff older than their backrub company
Google works pretty well even in a pure terminal browser, eg w3m, links
@@EricParker Netscape Navigator ftw
Windows 1.0 was so bad you were better off using dos
Fun project to try myself, since I have several vintage pc's. Couldn't replicate what you were seeing. My network is behind a load balancing router with 2 different isp connections. Tried this with windows xp. Again nothing happens. Only when browsing you see such connections but those seem to be ad-server connections, which are already blocked by the ad blocker installed on my router (dns blocking). I guess if you connect such machines directly to the internet, it would be much more dangerous.
Can you try Windows 3.11 with Winsock and CIFS file sharing ?
Wind 3.11 and NT3.51 and NT4 all interesting. In the early 2000s running WinNT 4 took mere minutes to get hacked.
this is super scary lolol
so this happens on only older versions or any version if the firewall is off? also isnt win 7 also vulnerable? its out of service for so long now
I had this Windows 7 because I was trying to see if it would work on 7. It doesn't seem to (a few days with nothing). Exposed to the internet with no firewall, it seems to have the most trouble on XP.
It requires that the OS have some vulnerability, and that malware is actively out their trying to exploit it. Plenty of XP worms still going around, 98 and earlier don't have a lot of open ports.
@@EricParker is this a patched win7 or RTM?
it's clear that you have never used Windows 98 before. For SMB port to be open, you have to actually enable File sharing, it's not on by default.
Or open Remote desktop access, then you'll see some serious stuff ;p
If you did those things, I'm guessing the system would get compromised much quicker.
As he said,
98 is older than him :)
And as he said, he later went in and enabled file sharing. Unless I misunderstood him.
why you are using nested virtualization
2000 is close enough to XP (NT 5.0 vs NT 5.1) that I suspect, given XP caught malware, 2000 will too. But I wonder about older NT versions.
There is a big difference in security between win98 and win98se. Pre SE it was vulnerable to the backoraface attack which I used to have so much fun with because it was a backdoor RDP and was so much fun to mess with people. I don’t know if the conspiracy that it was NSA is true but I can confirm it was the best hack I ever seen in my life, by far.
I wonder what would happen if you did this to RiSC OS? It must have legendary security through obscurity!
if im right then windows 7 was directly connected to the internet not behind any router right? and vbox was bridgin windows7's internet to the 98 vm meaning it effectively becomes a router of sorts and windows 7 does have a firewall so my theory is that it blocked all the incoming connections to any port FOR the 98 vm so nothing was able to get in
you should also test vista
He was using VirtualBox bridged networking. This picks up packets before they even have a chance to get touched by Windows 7's firewall.
If I was Microsoft, I would secretely scan the Internet for versions of Windows too unpopular and obsure to attract real hackers (or too sparce for speading a net worm). And then I would remotely exploit their vulnerabilities in order to freeze/reboot them. Thus anybody who wanted to achieve "security by obsurity" by using ancient Windows would experience nearly constant crashes and reboots the second they connect to the Internet
You mean, like any off-the-shelf laptop with Windows 11?
What browser works with 98?
2000 was getting infected extremely rapidly when exposed to the Internet some years ago. Problem got solved by home routers blocking inbound connections.
Running a virtual machine with such an outdated VirtualBox version is a huge risk, because it will probably carry some nasty vulnerabilities which could enable attackers to breakout of the virtualized environment. This can lead to a situation where they will be able to aceess or attack your host machine. You were lucky...
Man, you should had used PCem or 86Box. You put yourself trough a lot of pain trying to use VMWare (would had been the equally bad with VirtualBox).
If curious, it was so slow because you where running in VGA mode with 16 colours, and VMWare sucks at translating that to whatever you use on your computer.
Actually, a pointer, VMware just sucks in general, specially if you want to test older software :P
Dude I love these videos haha.
My brother Windows 7 in 2024 is wild
He is probably using Mac/Linux. Also theres an explanation at 0:25
Your provider is probably blocking 445 as well
Would prefer to see you using the original hardware. I believe in you.
Switching to MS-DOS for maximum obscurity
My genuine response to the title of the video : it gets traumatized
this reminds me of a time i was re installing windows now sure if it was 98 or xp and was able to get norton on there pretty quick and before the install finished norton had detected the iloveyou virus so i then had to stop again and re install windows. must of been 98 from a compaq restore partition. must of installed norton during one of the many reboots.