Discussing Persona 5 Royal with Fither (Part 1)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 25 ส.ค. 2024
- Hey Everyone!
This week I sat down with Fither to discuss Persona 5 Royal. Its been a long time coming as Fither just finished Royal this past Christmas. So it seemed to be the right time to actually have an open discussion about the game and what to expect.
This is Part 1 in which we discuss The majority of the game and quality of life improvements. However, Fither will be posting Part 2 which deals with our thoughts on the third semester. Each video is pretty long so sit back and enjoy.
Big thank you to Fither and him reaching out to me! Check out Part 2 on his channel!
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Imagine playing persona 6 and Jose says welcome to my velvet room and honks his car horn
I really hope he won't say "MY" Velvet Room, cause I don't want to have to kill him, too.
@@Shalakor no he’s secretly Philemon
The talk in the car with Sojiro completely flew over my head, like Fither I just thought it was just a line from the old game. It was a very nice touch tho
If I may throw my hat into the Jose speculation, I absolutely thought he'd be the Aeon, given that he is a non-human character attempting to understand humans, their emotions, and the human world (like Aigis and Marie)
I believe the most popular theory is that he is directly connected to Philemon, who was Igor's boss in P1 and P2 and basically the one responsible for Personas in general. He has been absent since despite Atlus (iirc) claiming that P1 and P2 are canon, and also is very curious about humanity and the reasons they do things.
@@PathBeyondTheDark philemon is more like a shepherd for humanity, it's not that he's curious about uh, "us" i guess, he's there to guide humanity. the canon reason as to why he doesn't come back is that if he does, then nyarlathotep also does, as part of their deal. That, however, doesn't prevent Igor from acting on his behalf.
What's the logic behind José being connected to Philemon?
@@gastonzumbo9860 probably his referring to "that person" and the promise he made. He is a very interesting character, and I kinda like that we aren't told things about him
The ryuji and yusuke showtime made me laugh every single freaking time 😂 it was just hysterical
Both of Yusuke's showtimes are my favorite. The one with Ryuji is goodlfy and fun. Then the one with Ann was super badass. Unsheathing the sword, the twirl the the sheath into the cut was too cool.
I wanna be a part of the TH-cam persona community
Don’t force it, start doing content and integrate yourself naturally
I’m just starting out too! I’d just come up with a plan for they types of videos you wanna do, and find others in the community you enjoy. You can always try reaching out to them in private if you’d like, that’s more or less how I was able to kickstart my channel.
Good luck
Let’s do it lol. I’ll join u
You must forge a contract. I am thou thou art I
Fither getting curry from Sojiro is cursed. Robot getting curry? Thats ok.
For me, I think Kasumi worked well because they weren't so in your face about integrating her into the game. I think it's because, unlike with Marie, there was enough new content where they could space out the Kasumi stuff. P4 Golden had a few gameplay tweaks, but nothing too big story wise that wasn't Marie related. It was pretty much just the scooters, unless I'm forgetting something big.
In comparison, Kasumi's content was balanced out story wise with Maruki and Akechi. Even going into the third semester, where Kasumi was way more front and center, there was still lots of new content for everyone else in the perfect world, and even more Akechi stuff. She never dominated the new content in a way that Marie did, where the huge focus on her just felt unnatural instead of seamlessly integrating with the rest of the world. Story wise, she never really had anything that was just hers. Joker never lost any agency with her being included. I think it also helped her initial social link is fairly normal overall. With Marie, it felt like they overly emphasized her not being able to remember and trying to play up this mysterious origin.
All that being said, I think tech advancements helped. I imagine with older games, going back and adding content wasn't easy, in no small part because space limitations were an issue. I imagine moving forward, any expanded releases of base games will be on the same scale as Royal.
I think Royal added like 15 new personas. That's not including the third tier and dlc personas.
Okumura fight.
Step 1. Level up the baton pass for Ryuji, Mona and Haru and use them.
Step 2. Make elemental items
Step 3. Don't use multi-target skills to knock the robots down, use your skills and items to knockdown the robots one by one and get baton passes over and over and end it with Haru's triple down attack.
Yeah, I really feel like that fight is only extremely tough until you use elemental items. I watched my friend do it before I got there, so I just made sure I had a good number of elemental items and it makes the fight super manageable.
The robots in okumura place all have 2 or more weaknesses. I believe the first wave u fight care weak to wind and fire (because they are afraid of getting fired). All of the robots had an extra weakness that the game didn’t tell u
In my opinion, Jose is supposed to be the tie-in for a Persona 1 remake, or a return to the grander lore of Philemon and Nyarlathotep, after being gone for 10 years or so
I would love that
This was my first rpg game and I must say I enjoyed it a lot so it’s great for newcomers. I played the Original first and I enjoyed it so much that I didn’t mind playing a basically improved version of the same game. It’s what also got me into FF7R
I think Kasumi makes a bad first impression. She feels like a mary sue for a lot of the 1st semester. I liked her in the 3rd semester tho
Before playing Royal my main question was how were they're going to handle Haru. In vanilla I always thought that the writers didn't care, so neither did I. After playing Royal I now know they didn't care. One of her extra scenes involve separating the trash.
Well all of the initial phantom thieves didn't get much either. That being said, I am disappointed by that with Haru especially.
@@ThaPlaya1994 The initial PT have the whole base game. In addition to a few more scenes. Haru had nothing, and now has nothing. If you cut Haru from the game, what would be missing really?
@@Eliwoodfan10 Life wall cheese
@@Eliwoodfan10 We would be missing best girl, of course
@@gavo7911 Eeeeeeeh. When you subtract zero from anything nothing really changes. (Real talk I think she does have a good social link and character, but she still comes too late for me to get invested or care. She's no Renault from FE7.)
Good for you for connecting with fither he's a great guy love him
i played royal first n was kinda sus of akechi but never really thought into it too much. on my first playthrough though because i went in completely blind i didnt end up finishing maruki's confidant so when i came back i kinda juss assumed that because he was the thing blocking off content that he was the owner of the palace.
That okumura boss take just surprises the hell out of me. They put in a boss that actually tests a player's mastery of the game mechanics and everyone just whines like a bitch because they can't steamroll through it.
Agreed
I first tried it without fusing anything special because all I did was build up a chain with what I had I don't really see how it was that hard unless you are really underleveled and don't have a variety of personas.
I thought it was extremely frustrating but I liked it for that if that makes sense. It’s like the same type of enjoyment I get out of playing dark souls
@@bruis1527 I feel the same way about Sleeping Table in Persona 3, sometimes its nice to take a step back and have to actually fuse specific things for a boss rather than going in with no strategy and winning first try.
I don't remember having problems with that fight
I am started with Royal and I thought that Akechi being the traitor was so obvious that I started to think that it wasn’t him and he was just being set up as the traitor or he would triple cross Shido or something and the when he was revealed to be an actual bad guy I just sat there for a few minutes wonder why he was the bad guy and how I had been picking every dialogue option to defend him with the rest of the phantom thieves and then it just turns out they were right the whole time.
Elizabeth's dates ARE actually dates, the game even says "take Elizabeth out on a date"
Your takes are kinda intriguing. I'm already subscribed to Fither, so I'll sub to you too. I hope to see some more awesome stuff soon.
Giuseppe is Joseph in Italian, not Gepetto.
Jose is like the friggin love child of Elizabeth and the protag. That’s a joke.
I’m so glad I wasn’t the only one who got suspicious from that line Sojiro throws at us at the beginning of the game.
Genuinely thought was dead too lmao
This was a Great video to listen to in the Background while i was grinding money to Use Gallows on Arsene
The picture you have for this video is great.
These were interesting takes
*That was truly Cringeworthy*
Yusuke 2020
As someone who played Royal first, Kasumi seemed rather obvious of a new character to me, but Jose, Will Seeds, The Grapple, Maruki, Fusion Alarms, and showtimes were all things I assumed were in the original game
In the boss battle for Futuba, she became more involved in the battle rather than just giving the ballista and letting you know when the boss will dive down. Futaba makes the battle more personal for herself and helps you immensely against the boss
I definitely feel like Kasumi is a little too forced for my liking compared to other new characters like Maruki and Marie. Maruki never really forced himself onto the player other than when he makes a deal with you to go to counseling once but most confidants have something like that, and of course there are the counseling scenes with the party members which aren't very intrusive. Marie is pretty similar where you get introduced to her but then you can just ignore her social link for the rest of the game and she just disappears if you don't want to talk to her (other than the unskippable poems which are meh). Kasumi on the other hand has a bunch of scenes where it feels like the game is trying to get you to like her even if you want to ignore her you really can't, and this starts from the intro of the game. I do like her a little but I wish she wasn't so in your face about being new and the game wanting to hook you up with her (and then the ending is the one time where her time with you is too brief and just feels weird).
I think your opinion of her only stands up when you view her as a social link and not as a new party member. The new content with her is tied directly into the 3rd semester, and so it’s important you have a connection with her as a player. Otherwise she’d just be some random character who just suddenly gets a ton of screen time 100 hours into the game. People complain that Haru just comes out of nowhere in base P5, and I think they didn’t want to do that again. Maruki is in a fairly large amount of scenes in the game even if you ignore his social link, with all of the other characters going to see him. If you decide to ignore him, I promise that he would feel intrusive as well. The difference is in their roles in the new semester. Because Maruki becomes the villain and you can’t unlock the new semester without maxing out his confidant, they can leave his relationship with the MC to the social link, but since they want to allow Kasumi space to grow and bond with the player once she joins the party, they hold back the second half of her social link until then. Which mandates having more scenes to establish a familiar relationship with the player and her personality. I mean, were you constantly annoyed by how Makoto kept showing up for the first two months, or how the base game made Akechi such a primary character before he joined you? Yes, Kasumi and Maruki are additional characters added to Royal, but they still also have large roles to play later in the narrative. So that needs to be set up. It feels unfair to negatively judge the game for introducing them early and making you understand that Kasumi will be important. The game needs to communicate that Kasumi, Maruki, and Akechi’s confidants are all things you should prioritize even for new players, so it gives special attention to these three within the central story. All of that makes perfect sense to me.
@@Zakemaster I think it is hard to view her as a party member, especially since she is only playable for one palace. As for her appearing too much, I think they could have turned her 5 -> 10 ranks into something like 10 -> 15 especially since her confidant is weird enough with how slow it advances. Does she even have to be maxed at 5 for 3rd semester to unlock? I would think it would be weird to have her not maxed going into 3rd semester or getting the original P5 ending without 3rd semester and having her maxed and she just disappearing from the story. I just prefer the way Marie was handled and how if you ignore her she will just disappear or you max her and get the extra dungeon and that awesome post credits scene.
You bring up some good points though, thanks for being civil.
@@Cheesepuff44 A bit late, but if you don’t max out Kasumi’s confidant at 5, you can’t do Sumire’s confidant at all, and I’m also 90% sure you don’t even unlock her Showtime. As well, she goes the whole game without ever tying her hair back up and regaining her confidence. So no, it’s not required, but it has some nice character development.
@@eclecticspaghetti Ah I see, that's neat.
My biggest thing will Marie tho is she is a non-factor of persona 4 golden’s story. She is no where to be found until her sudden palace. Kasumi was the vocal point of persona 5 royal so I’m fine with the amount of scenes you get with kasumi. I feel Marie was never really there/ not a vocal point of persona 4 golden even tho she was suppose to be the new, interesting character
I thought the same thing after hearing Sojiro mention that line about a girl dying in an accident.
My first time playing, I predicted the final palace would be Kasumi's dad's palace since he seemed a little like a helicopter parent from how many times he's been mentioned and calls Kasumi to come home, etc. I assumed Maruki would make some kind of deal with the dad's shadow to use the palace as his base of operations in exchange for keeping Sumire as Kasumi for whatever reason.
I personally thought the new palace was kasumi’s. I thought she was gonna have a futaba type palace ngl
For how natural she was, I have to know how often do the different grades in japanese high school interact ( like first, second, and third years normally interacting) , I believe she was the only 1st year that's playable (even if futuba was one, my understanding is that she's basically homeschooled, so I'm not counting her lol)
Pkft1's persona would be napoleon and fither would have diogenes
I heard a theory that Jose is Makoto and Elizabeth's son. Wild, right?
This is a crazy theory lmao what's the lore behind it? Like how do they come to that conclusion?
It is implied that Yuki and Elizabeth have sex in p3
@@nus5726 Well yeah I know that, but why do they believe that jose is the kid?
Well, like they say in the video Jose does kinda look like a velvet attendant and he does say that he has a female master and he does not seem to have a relationship to Igor. Obviously this theory is mostly likely not true but it has some points
@@bradleysmith4967 I think it's due to the possibility of Makoto and Elizabeth sleeping together during their final date.... there's nothing to prove that the Velvet Attendants don't have the anatomy to be able to bear children.... it's just a theory and i find it quite fun.
When I heard the car thing from sojiro I thought it was just a new tidbit to just sorta warm you up to him or like as a, let’s put a bit of development into where you’ll be staying, maybe some wataba foreshadowing to? It’s been a while but it wasn’t something I put too much thought into but knew it was at least a bit different
The way our man says Kasumi is really making me twitch. :p
Kasumi Kiryu
I pour
My soul
Into this bowl
My favorite thing the will seeds did was give Yusuke access to Charge so my boi is finally useful in the end game
There's certain days where you can take any party member of your choice to the jazz bar to learn a new skill, including things like charge, meditate, and debilitate.
@@Shalakor oh yes I took Makoto there a lot cause I was dating her and she got Heat Riser. What's funny is they can relearn these skills on a NG+ iirc if you take them to the church and relearn them
NGL I switched the difficulty from merciless to risky just for the Okumura boss fight and I honestly still found it to be one of the easier boss fights. You want a real unintuitive boss fight? OG madarame on merciless. Now that's an unintuitive RNG mess. The secret to the okumura boss fight is to hit every enemy individually, then on the last one use the all target version, then cancel the all out attack prompt and do it again. Or if Joker was exploiting the weakness, baton pass to the ally that the attribute corresponds to and use the all target spell. When it reaches the two different enemy types, you just do a two step variation of this.
People that defend Akechi's actions are so dumb. They ruin it for people who like Akechi as a character. I think he's interesting but I'll never defend him. The point of him anyway was that he could've ended up good but became evil because unlike Joker he had no bonds.
Jack Flynn yeah I love him, he's very enjoyable to watch, but he killed and hurt a lot of innocent people. He could have been saved from himself, but he wasn't
Neo featherman 8 bit?👀 i can't find it this masterpiece
The Okumura fight was the only one I had to strategize on and the only one that took multiple attempts. How I won without changing the difficulty was use single target castings of their weakness then do a group cast and it was just barely enough damage before their turn to kill them all.
For the Okumura boss, I think I'll take the you're just dumb answer, if I had to pick from the two given options. Though, more likely, you just preferred not to use you brain at that point of your playthroughs. You already didn't care to be challenged by that boss in particular, so being so challenged led to frustration.
I feel like the twin dates are for new game plus content if they keep intervening with your main goals of free time during your first playthrough.
Never realized how bad the Okumura boss fight was until I saw it constantly being brought up online. I played P5 before so I had an expectation of how the fight worked before and just used the typical thing for all bosses of buffing/debuffing + baton pass and I did it in 1 try (in normal).
The Okumura boss was terrible. I thought they fixed his dungeon, but messed up his boss.
That said, I had no idea about the difficulty cheese. I just used the free legacy dlc. Thanatos got me through that fight. Yet another point to P3.
I actually loved the fact that I hated his boss fight if that makes sense. Like the fight was very befitting of his character and gave me a reason to hold anger at okumura
At least it was the one challenging part of p5r, you gotta admit the game was way too easy esp w all the new additions
@@user-dy7ls7uo9j True. Royal was a breeze. But there's a difference between a nice challenge and that one difficulty spike that ruins your evening.
@@Ashyson780 As said in the video, for some reason, it's easier on Merciless mode. You didn't feel the pain that is this boss fight on Normal mode.
@@Ashyson780 It really was. I didn't mind it, but still. It felt like it went by too easy.
Jose: Tsugi ni omae wa "Anata Wa Pinokio" To ui!
Fither: Anata Wa Pino- NANI?
An hour and 20 minutes of PK not remembering stuff lol
Okumura reminds me of krauser from RE4. Since both of their fights are easier with an unconventional play style. Raising the difficulty with Okumura and using a knife with krauser
I actually loved the Okumura boss fight; I felt like it actually really worked well with the Baton Pass system with using items to keep the Baton Pass going, and eventually doing a massive amount of damage when you got to the last one. I didn't switch to Merciless since I didn't know about the strategy until after but I had a lot of fun doing the boss fight and felt like it tested me the most in terms of using the mechanics.
The Okumura fight isn't bad. Yall are just mean. Other than the fleeing robots I had almost no difficulty, no items, no merciless. No SP issues, legitimately beat it on first try
My man, I like the video, but you gotta STOP THUMPING THE FUCKING DESK, please.
Thank you.
The change they made to the Cognitive Wakaba fight was the added dialogue. That's it. There was more talking.
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My tactic for Shadow Okumura was losing 5 times and then saying fuck it. I downloaded the Messiah DLC, so I just nuked all the robots with Megidolaon.
That’s lowkey lame tho
@@sergiosalazar8702 Very much like the boss fight itself. I just felt like I wasted enough time.
It would’ve been a great twist if it was actually Kasumi palace but a represssed memory of Sumire’s trauma. Similar to Futaba mom but it’s her dark shadow she has hidden away like The P4 cast.
Yo, you might want to turn your mic down a little my guy. You're peaking a little bit
Yeah I gotta figure it out. For some reason it runs really hot even with the gain turned all the way down.
@@pkft1627 Audio is always tricky with how different one thing will sound on different systems. You'll get a hold of it for sure 👍
For me, hearing last surprise nowadays just makes me want to perform a lobotomy on myself. I grew to really despise it to the very core of my being. Take over kinda fire tho
While Kasumi is a natural fit, to me she was just an unlikable hypocrite.