For P5’s themes, I think it’s the epitome of Persona’s repeated idea that while you might like the idea of the one big bad being the cause of the world’s problems, it’s actually billions of ordinary people like you adding up to sustain the problem. In 5, people wanted the freedom to not think, stand up for themselves and let some greater power do the work (either the Thieves or Yaldaboath). That concept leads into systems of power like democracy and how they can be corrupted. The Phansite’s ranking for the next target was effectively a rigged election.
Also, the idea of using magic powers to solve people’s problems gets handled better with Maruki’s introduction in Royal, in my opinion. It goes back into submitting your will to another.
That's a major theme is at least the nusona games. The endgame of Personas are pretty depressing with how you realize that the bosses are right in humanity overwhelming apathy, whether it be longing for our inevitable deaths, a desire to live in a blissful ignorance, or seeking to give up all responsibilities and freedoms to authority.
I never bothered with the final god boss, because I always thought the execution of the whole thing was so good (except for maybe Yaldabaoth's characterization). The people refusing to accept Shido's wrongdoings, coupled with the PT's existence being connected to their public notoriety was so good as a plotpoint and felt like a natural progression from Shido's arc.
It feels weird being both a persona and JoJo fan since It seems like the upcoming years are a golden age of both series and I'm down for it love this video
This is pretty crazy to think that Persona 5 is already 5 years old. I too got in to Persona in 2012 by watching a let's play of Persona 4 on whim and getting really in to it. After watching that let's play I went on to playthrough Persona 3 and 4 multiple times, and once I got my teeth in to Persona 5, I again fell in love all over again.
Yeah, it's really crazy how much of an impact these angsty high school anime games can have in someone's life. P5 was a such a good part of my life, I wish I could experience it for the 1st time again
I disagree that the party members' confidants are "mehhh" for lack of a better word. :P I can understand not really enjoying them, but they do build each person's character a lot. Then again, I'm prone to overanalyzing everything in my character analyses lol. It's always weird how a lot of the game's themes are lost in translation from East to West culturally, yet at the same time it's awesome to see the story and characters resonate with such a global audience. Always great to hear other people's thoughts on these games!
11:29 One thing you CAN do, is introduce someone to the game. I actually have my uncle hooked on P5R. He drops by every few months, and we work through the story. I even started him on a New Game+ save, with a 100% Compendium and all of Jose's stamps. That way, he can see all of the story beats with minimal scheduling headaches. There are a few spots where I'll put my foot down (avoiding bad endings, advancing critical confidants), but other than that, he directs, I drive.
I wanted to do the same for my mom with The Last of Us. While she grasped the zombie apocalypse premise she didn’t seem all that interested in seeing the story through, although when she does see me play, she also keeps an eye on the cutscenes.
The main reason for me at least that I can see why people judge products based on the fanbase is because if you love it, but lack people in your own social circle to talk about it, you turn to the internet. So when you see the general fanbase as something you clash with, you'd have no real place to talk about the product you might super enjoy. It happens to me a lot when I pick up something but missed that hype train so there's no conversation going on at all and my friends wouldn't be into it. Or I try to throw myself into something popular, but struggle to find decent conversations about it, or even feel shame for liking it because the fanbase has made nonfans weary of anyone into said thing. I really miss back in the day when you could go to recess and always find a group of kids who also watched whatever you wanted to talk about the day before and trying to find the weird obscure thing to impress them.
I remember Persona 5's hype cycle was so intense that even though I didn't care for JRPGs (and my only knowledge of the franchise being a picture I saw of Chie once) everyone I knew/followed online wouldn't shut up about it for about 3 or 4 years lol.
Ahh to go back in time where you could openly say “yeah I like persona 5 “ I miss the fan base pre p5 blowing up. I’m glad it did though it’s a un apologetically a fucking great jrpg that is not style over substance.
6:02 I genuinely don’t get how people consider P3-P5 to be way different interms if tone (Especially P3 and P4) each game has its dark moments but still feels lighthearted despite it dark moments
I think that's more of both sharing general anime tropes. I'd say overall, P4 is a lighthearted game with darker elements thrown in while P3 is a darker game with lighthearted elements thrown in. Part of the problem is finding the right words for it, since I feel like dark portrays something that's bleak and gritty, which isn't a good fit for P3. Best I can think of is P3 is more serious while P4 is goofy, but it feels like that's doing a disservice towards P4. I'll also add, I think both are good games and I appreciate the fact that they are different and think it was very much intentional. I'd say P5 leans more towards P3 in terms of tone, but is still pretty different overall.
As someone who began with P4, it was very light-hearted, and this was more obvious when I played P5 and my early game in P3. This isn't a knock on P4 by any means; it is currently my favorite and balanced emotional moments, as well.
@@paulg.4812 To me tonally P4 and P3 felt like I was playing the exact same game. Especially sense my preferences for P3 routes is Femc but even the MC isn’t really that dark. Like you have death but just death isn’t enough to be dark. Hell I would say for me adachi’s dungeon and everything that is going around in inaba at that time felt darker to me then literally any moment in P3 and P5. P3 other then the MC tracks the game felt like a lighthearted and hopeful for all of it run time. I think another thing that really plays into this is P3’s theming. While I think the creators did intend for the themes to be about accepting the reality that your gonna die. While I was playing through the game I never felt like other then Aigis and the death monologue the game was really trying to go for this theme. With everything that happens to the characters and SEES’s resolve to stop Nyx the theme felt like keeping hope in dire times. I’m really not tryna come off the wrong way but I feel like P3 is a game the try’s to give off the atheistic of being dark but can never really commit to the darker tone. Which I think is fine but i don’t think that makes a game dark.
@@starmaker75 I strongly agree with you. To me I feel like the reason Vanilla P4 felt like the darkest entire in the series was because of Inaba and the ending. To me everything felt a lot more idk Closer and grounded. All of P3’s main villains have this grand scheme Ryoji is a god. Strega was the world to end it feels so idk unemotional. Mean P4 you have a neet gamer who just wants attention a guy who I feel like as reasonably as one can has a messiah complex and an Incell all of these things in one way or another exist in our reality.
This was my first Persona game. But knew about the series because of XPlay and saw it as a Shin Megami Tensei spin off. I just bought it on. Black Friday 2019 sale for $10 on Gamestop. Mainly bought it because TH-camrs like Projared, Rabbidluigi, and Compleionist said it was game of the year. This became my Pandemic game. Played it durring the lockdown then bought 3 and 4 on PS3. As someone who grew up on Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts this was so different. The social links. Also as someone who loved Sly Cooper this game me the ae vibe. Also my pay time P5 vanilla-85 hours P4 vanila-95 hours P3 FES-164 hours(did not finish the Answer this was the main game)
Does anyone remember when gaming PCs amd consoles were going to fade out in favor of phones? Making the beginning of the last generation such a drought. (Besides being good games) I think Persona and Yakuza greatly benefited from the aforementioned drought. Is crazy to see Yakuza: Like a dragon having an English dub and lip sync. Since not that long ago Yakuza fans had to beg Sega to release Yakuza 5 (digital only) in the west.
26:20 i love how Joker is treated in P5. Everyone treats him like a piece of shit and coming off of P4 where everyone acts like the sun comes out of Yu’s asshole.
I’m so glad nam mentioned how it’s weird how kamoshidas palace is all interconnected as you complete it almost like a darksouls level and it just kinda goes nowhere. I feel like they wanted to do that and felt that it would have been redundant with the teleporting mechanic and it would have been miserable to not have the teleporting at all.
I never even knew what a persona was before I picked up persona 5. I was at GameStop and I didn't want to leave empty handed, so I bought this on a whim. Best impulse buy of my life
That's the exact same story I have too lol. I went to Gamestop for my bday but I didn't know what to get so I asked my friend what game I should get and he said Persona 5.
4:28 I've actually seen heated arguments over this on the Persona subreddit. There's apparently a sliver of P1 and P2 die hard fans who insist that they could get rid of social links, social stats, and all the time management aspects of the game and the series would be just as popular.
I’ve given it some thought as well. At this point, they should NOT remove the social links and the time management aspects. The mainstream managed to latch onto Persona with those features as a selling point and it would be a disservice to go back to the P1, P2 narrative style. The traditional style should be revisited in offshoot spin-offs. I think we are at a point where the majority of the fans wouldn’t mind if Altus followed up a numbered entry with a non-numbered traditional entry. I think it’s only the vocal minority and people of a certain lifestyle who will screech about not being able to socialize the waifus.
1:08:20 What I find awkward is how this way of thinking is heavily condemned by the Persona games, for the final boss always rants about how the general public is apathetic, vain, slothful. What scares me is how the party can never respond beyond “but some people have passion!” However, the game does end on a high-note by saying that it’s up to you to make the world a better place.
Thats probably because, one; the characters aren't exactly what I or anybody else would term as particularly good debaters, which is fair enough even if they ARE considering the contexts, and two; there really ISN'T that good of a response to those sorts of criticisms. Humans in general, as a very general rule for us as a race, are lazy, or slothful, or whatever term you want to use. And we also are very often apathetic to most things outside of our immediate surroundings, and we can be vain. Fuck, many of these things are likely biologically hard wired in, and are a big psychological/social force, too. So of course you can't really dispute the rule. Its pointless. Bringing up exceptions doesn't really change the facts at hand. But, on the other hand, its far (read; infinitely) more complicated then just 'humans....bad...' like the antagonists think (or, alternatively, the countless many misanthropes you can find loitering around on the Internet if you look hard enough). Us being flawed is hardly grounds to exterminate/enslave/whatever ever man, woman and child, either. The negative traits exist, and are a big factor, perhaps even the dominant ones. But they hardly magically override the positive ones, either.
Man, your channel was an integral part of the Persona 5 hype for me. Reminiscing alongside you guys with this little mini-series has been a blast. Thinking back to that waiting period right before this game came out and the first year after launch... Man, those memories feel so vivid, like they have more color or something, I don't know. This game evokes so many memories from that time. I love it for that.
I always think of the phantom thieves and they're requests as a concept for Japanese soceity where they're trying to say 'if you be more yourself and rebel, we can change the rules so that this wouldn't happen'
I finished Royal early last month after loving Golden. Against all of my preconceived knowledge about the game, Goro ended up being my favorite character. I consider him to be a very immoral character, but his self-hatred of being a bastard, overwhelming desire to be loved, absolutely amazing design as Prince, heroic and understandable sacrifice, and underrated inner conflict in the third semester made him an amazing character for me. I even saw aspects myself, both good and bad, in him.
He's certainly a remarkable character. Despite the lengths the game goes to paint him as a "misguided goodguy", I really think his presence helps illustrate the game's themes and make the overrall plot better. Also, his 3rd characterization is just perfect
@@victorhugocosta1127 Fuck it, I'll bite. I'm curious; where, exactly, does the game try so very hard to paint Goro Fucking Akechi as a 'misguided goodguy', pray tell? This is such a bizarrely common criticism of P5 that has been around for years by now, and yet, I don't think I have ever once seen ANYBODY who peddles it back it up with anything past subjective interpretations and the ocassional pointing towards Akechi being 'forgiven' by the cast towards his death (or, well, 'death'). Neither is...exactly terribly compelling, suffice to say. If what the cast did there looks like forgiveness to you or anybody else, then I don't really know what else to say, other than to wonder what you think outright rejection or hatred is supposed to look like. I suppose I can be nice and concede that Akechi, in a grand, overall sense by the narrative itself, probably isn't presented as poorly as he should be morality wise, but then, that seems to be a bizarrely common thing in Japanese media in general I have noticed over the years. I've got no fucking clue as to why this sort of phenomenon exists, and I don't even know how to begin phrasing it nevermind a proper word for it, nor am giving an excuse or throwing a 'but what about?'-ism, either. But I also don't really think its all that much of a flaw, to be frank. He's not presented quite as much like the scumbag he is as he really should be. Woop-de-doo.
I’d like the press turn to come to Persona, it’s really neat and DDS also did it well, so it would be neat alongside the the wild card for everyone in P1 & P2.
its a complete mindfuck for me. Everyone who has said "i want persona 6 to be DARK" and then proceed to pull out this sort of checklist they want p6 to accomplish, theyre literaly describing what smt games are. Then you tell them that and they go all like "no, i want them to be like the original p1 and p2", and then it fucks my mind even more cause those games feel and play like smt games
Out of all the characters, I think Haru has grown on me the most. Especially after Strikers, where when we meet Gramps, everyone's going, "we don't trust you." and "you're super suspect.". Then, we have Haru in the corner straight up going, "We don't fuck with Ops."
also been this far into the video but I literally have no idea what happens in FF7 and Ocarina of Time except for like one key moment so I might try them as a fresh new experience
OG FF7 holds up so well imo. After you get used to the blocky artstyle, the game realy shines. I recommend playing the Steam version with the reMAKO HD mod. It remasters ALL pre-rendered backgrounds in the game
I've beaten Ocarine of Time, but I definitely agree on FF7. I have vague ideas on who characters like Cloud are, but in terms of the actual plot, I know nothing. Hopefully the Remake doesn't take too long to finish.
I remember my friend showing me a meme of Reggie wearing Joker’s mask when Joker got announced for Smash. I hadn’t heard about it yet because it had just happened so I was like, “Wow, for a second I thought this was a reveal for Joker in Smash or something,” and she was like, “Oh yeah, he was.” I’ll never forget the shock I had in that moment, lol.
yeah I especially agree with the external influence stuff, bacause I was playing p5 and enjoying it a lot, but then I saw a review that sad that the game was horrible and I started having an existencial crisis if what I was playing was good or not, but then I realised it that the game beying good or bad I like it, and that's what matter at the end
What got me to play Persona 5 (my first persona game) was the concept of normal life during the day and crazy/fantasy/criminal stuff during the night, it's a concept so common on series and movies but I think it was never explored as good in a videogame as the persona games do
I suppose there are some factors like Vanilla fans that had their night portions of the game closed thanks to his "go to sleep" thing. His simp behavior towards Ann through the whole game. His bickering with Ryuji. His arc stealing Haru's only spotlight in the game, etc. I like him. He's a swell guy, despite his glaring flaws. I can't believe there are people who thinks he's more annoying than Teddie
@@victorhugocosta1127 all those are positives except the haru part, and I played both vanilla and royal and literally never had a problem with go to sleep. He’s just a chill cat bro who does a little simping!
@@priceyyeti4058 got anymore names that rhyme with “Sketchy”? Or it can be something that ends in “I” or it’s sound (Persona 3 qualifies in that remark). Watch the next game have an antagonist with the name “Mary”.
About the Curry comment about 25 minutes in, The reason he is not ill is he balanced his diet with his other meals. The reason he is not sick of it is that was scientifically the best curry around of that style.
My overall opinion with p5 story is somewhat similar to how you guys feel with akechi as a character: somewhat cheesy movie but has some great shit. I'm definitely have less issues with it though, because I do like yadly and didn't find the stuff that they were doing with akechi to be that confusing. One thing I can honestly agree with: the big bad gods can probably stop at this point, especially after p5s, p4au, etc. But yeah, I can say that P5 is great, but it does suck knowing that the fans (especially with p5 popularity) has tainted this game for so many people.
The handling of Yaldabaoth and the Depths of Mementos leaves a little bit to be desired but I feel like it's an important part for reinforcing the game's themes and message, especially considering what happens immediately afterwards. If anything, I feel like this tradition should've been broken to a degree in P4 since Izanami doesn't seem to have much reason to actually wanna fight you after you've gone through the effort to not only stop her plan but continue seeking out answers to the end, like she seems to have wanted.
I got into Persona 5 Royal without ever really even knowing anything about Persona. I'd just heard 5 was good, so I just picked up Royal a couple days after it came out and loved it.
I think the Shido thing also doesn’t work because there is never once where Shido and the phantom theives actually face each other in the real world. Like Shido doesn’t directly fight with them like Kamoshida or Madarame do.
I feel like posting a shitty fanfic in the guise of armchair rewriting. How I'd "fix" Akechi: I'd split him into two different characters, one being Law Akechi - the character we saw at the start of the game until the betrayal, exactly as he appeared to be aside from the attempted murder of Joker. The other character would be the asshole who has been running around in the black mask, who we'll call Chaos Akechi. I would make Law Akechi stay Shido's bastard child but have turned out well (morally) despite that. Law Akechi would not work for Shido in any capacity, would not know that Shido is his dad, and would just honestly be trying to do what was right - letting the system handle the bad guys instead of having these self-styled vigilantes run around messing with people's heads in ways no one understands. Law Akechi would initially believe that the Phantom Thieves did accidentally kill Haru's dad. Chaos Akechi would be Law Akechi's twin sister, publicly acknowledged as Shido's offspring, and in the process of being groomed to be Shido's successor. For the sake of this character, I'd change Shido to already be the PM of Japan and all of Chaos Akechi's palace activity would be about enhancing Shido's current power both within his party and in the political arena more generally. Chaos Akechi would not hate Shido, but would be a megalomaniacal narcissistic sociopath because of being raised under Shido's influence. Shido would make appearances throughout the game helping Chaos Akechi campaign for her first seat in the Diet. The game would build to Shido being the apparent final boss a week before the election date (which would also be pivotal to Shido as some kind of a final consolidation of power), but when the player reaches Shido, Chaos Akechi assassinates him in a cutscene causing Shido's palace to fall apart. Chaos Akechi would reveal her motive to the Phantom Thieves, indicate that she somehow has the immediate successor to her father wrapped around her finger, and taunt the phantom thieves (in a way that makes it clear what her palace would be) before running off. Chaos Akechi would then have a palace with a week long deadline. Her motivation would have been to become Japan's Shadow Prime Minister - an apparently minor politician who has dirt on virtually everyone that makes decisions and can expose or kill them at any time. Inheriting all her father's assets, being shot into the national spotlight following his death, and receiving a sympathy bump in the election would all be added benefits. I'd make her palace to be a ninja fortress or something along those lines. Aging both Akechis up a little (to their early 20's) seems like it might be necessary to make this story work. I'd make the reason why the twins were separated be that Shido saw having a cute daughter to be advantageous to his political career and having her follow in his footsteps (as a notably female politician) to be a way to firmly entrench his legacy in Japanese politics, but thought that a boy could cause him only media scandals and make him waste political capital trying to cover for any misconduct he might do (Shido has enough personal misconduct to worry about without adding to it). Also, I guess I'd have Shido not seeing Chaos Akechi's betrayal coming and being shocked about it as an "et tu, Brute" moment, he'd be hurt but accept his death with some dignity. As to Law Akechi, I guess I'd have him somehow realize the truth about what happened to Haru's dad and rejoin the team because he'd see that there would be no way for the system to account for Chaos Akechi's crimes, knowing what she did would destroy everybody's faith in the political system as a whole. There's also the idea of just making the phantom thieves having actually accidentally killed Haru's dad and having there be no shadow assassin, but I can see why the developers don't want that. Edit: As an addendum, I also had the idea of having Chaos Akechi be from an opposing political party but to have Shido campaigning for her nonetheless as what looks to the public to be a "I don't agree with you, but your heart's in the right place and I trust you to represent your constituents well" thing, pushing the public to a post-partisan era. In reality, Shido would be trying to build an era where politicians truly loyal to his agenda occasionally mount fake opposition masked to the public with amicability. In other words, some of Shido's pawns would appear to be from different parties but would have good relationships with him in kayfabe to justify them doing his bidding and may have public feuds with Shido but only regarding subjects that are truly irrelevant to his agenda. If any apparent deals are cut it would involve Shido making meaningless concessions to them in exchange for getting what he wants. I don't know where I got any of these ideas, I'm just a very creative person, I guess.
I loved the release day events in Tokyo for P5 and P5R. Until P5 chair teaser, I never played a Persona game before. Until I decide to give it a try, bought a Vita to play P4G.
I got into persona 5 months ago with p5, went in blind and was blown away I'm currently playing 3, like it so far but bro..where's the level design lol?
I knew a guy who handed out printed out memes at school and one of them was mishima saying dont come to school tomorrow and someone snitched and he got suspended for making a school shooting threat.
As someone who struggled with Okumra's boss fight I realise why some people hard a harder time then others. Since the robots he sends out block Physical skills you have to use magic The difficulty comes in when you find that tou magic skills does piss poor damage. The reason being is because if you're a dumbass like me you deleted your skills that boost your magic dmg by 25%. I only noticed after the while I reminicisng that Haru so much damage so I checkednher skills and she had that.
I think the shortcut thing is less they cut something from the game where u were supposed to sneak back in and more for going back and unlocking chests u missed and stuff
Out of curiosity, what would be a reason to play vanilla p4 over golden? I know that some characters like chie and teddie have different voices but is there anything else?
Honestly, Chie's voice shouldn't stop you from playing Golden. It's worth to mention that it's like P5 Royal, where you can get the original game's ending if you don't max out a certain social link/confidant, so you can pretty much play the original game within Golden.
Think it would be cool if Akechi really di believe in justice. Through helping shido he would get someone he could influense in a place of great power. his plan would have been to blackmail shido to enforce a twisted verion of justice on the siticens of japan.
Honestly, I think akechi being the foil to the PT would have been better, because the game barely touches on the “are we the baddies” regarding the Thieves effectively brain washing people.
I'm honestly kind of confused by their confusion with Akechi. It is like they need Akechi to represent some kind of philosophically dialectic thing in the story ... when he was just a secret it villain and it was just as simple as that. Sadistic Akechi was the real Akechi and he was playing a part until that point. You do not need the extra ROYAL content for that to be clear. For the purposes of Yalgabalth's game, Akechi was still fighting on the side of Lawful Evil, even though he had the more Neutral Evil goal of revenge against his Shido, his actions were still propping up Shido's cabal thus feeding the concept that humanity wanted to be controlled
I say that persona 5 when first came out it was the perfect time for me as I was the same age as the characters(16) so it was easy to get into the world of persona and persona 5 especially. I’m impress that still got a passing grade(like a B) because I did spend a lot of my free time on persona for the spring quarter and was falling behind. Spring 2017 was a lot of good thing happening as I got confirmed in my church, samurai Jack season 5(despite somewhat lacking 3 last episodes) and persona 5. My order of the main cast: Futaba Yusuke Makoto Ryuji Joker Haru Ann Mona And with akechi, well for royal I got a lot of things to said
Honestly, if Atlus had just made Goro the exact same character, backstory and all, but took out his crazy, evil murder man side and kept his prince side and made that who he truly was, I think he'd be a much stronger character.
Regarding the sentiment that P5’s themes were undercut by “solving characters’ problems with magic,” I think a large part of that comes from the expectations set by previous entries. In P3 and P4, the magic was an abstraction of inner strength and identity, but was separated to an extent from the characters’ more mundane problems. Magic was used to solve problems caused by magic, but personal problems were solved “the hard way,” with introspection and growth. As a result, some came to see that as a part of the identity of the series, and so expected P5 to follow that precedent. This lead to being disappointed when it didn’t, as instead of feeling like a shift in focus, it felt like the characters got an “easy out,” to an extent.
Only thing I don’t agree with is Akechi being seen as law and Joker as chaos. Honestly you reached pretty far there to criticize that. Law and Chaos isn’t present here and it’s not meant to be interpreted the way you think it is.
Expectation dictates a lot of your enjoyment or lack thereof. I had low expectations for KH3, and while disappointing I still found enjoyment. Post launch the game steadily improved, and the dlc is arguably the series best collection of super bosses (though price feel is undeserved). I dont condone fixing a game after launch and only after you know you have made bank, but some dont even do that much even when successful.
I was incredibly indifferent to P5R in my first run. Gameplay kept me going at least. I didn’t care about the story until the added month/story. I was way more vested in the ideas and plot Maruki and Kazumi offered than the teen rebellion that took up most the story. A story of helping by altering mentality vs facing ones issues? That’s a story I wish I had a whole game of at the end
Royal saved P5 from a narrative standpoint for me. The original lacked a point where you could truly become invested emotionally and philosophically like you could when faced with Maruki's viewpoint and the tug of war with what the proper course of action is. But it had the potential with Akechi's opposing viewpoint, that being maintaining order first yet still striving toward a better tomorrow, only for it to turn him into the Persona mandated traitor and the genericism it entails leaving us with no personification of what Akechi originally stood for. Maruki's approach is different from both, but unlike Akechi the narrative commits to his and does not necessarily leave the player with a definitive answer. Admitedly Akechi's true outlook on justice is better represented in Royal, but it still lacks the gray tone that comes with the PT's versus Maruki's ideologies.
I dont understand how people don't like morgana. it takes half an ounce of people skills to know that if someone is being cocky and self-centered it's because they're insecure on the inside.
i don't hate morgana but he does get irritating at times with the cockiness and the week he takes off and stays with haru, then the mementos chase. i mean he's nowhere near as grating as teddy but morgana isn't the best animal character either (that honor goes to best doggo sorry)
@@personafanatic4597 Those negatives parts of Morgana are actually part of his “arc”, that’s why I can’t exactly dislike him. At the end of the day, the mascots are kinda unnecessary so Koromaru gets a pass for not being annoying
Mainly becuase in reality so his struggles come off really weird. What I mean is of he were a human born and raised in the human world as opposed to this weird Cat thing from another dimension he'd relatable and understandable.
Yeah this game’s pretty good
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@@fesyuki-kun2332 hello minato
"Halo may be infinte, Doom may be eternal, but Persona is 5."
Same age as who Persona 5 fans are attracted to! /s
@@GavinFromWeb haha funny I'm loling so hard lmaoooooooo xddddddd
@@flysoup3607 the twins kinda give off that vibe
For P5’s themes, I think it’s the epitome of Persona’s repeated idea that while you might like the idea of the one big bad being the cause of the world’s problems, it’s actually billions of ordinary people like you adding up to sustain the problem. In 5, people wanted the freedom to not think, stand up for themselves and let some greater power do the work (either the Thieves or Yaldaboath). That concept leads into systems of power like democracy and how they can be corrupted. The Phansite’s ranking for the next target was effectively a rigged election.
The subway trains are a reoccurring motif of the masses submitting its will to authority.
Also, the idea of using magic powers to solve people’s problems gets handled better with Maruki’s introduction in Royal, in my opinion. It goes back into submitting your will to another.
That's a major theme is at least the nusona games. The endgame of Personas are pretty depressing with how you realize that the bosses are right in humanity overwhelming apathy, whether it be longing for our inevitable deaths, a desire to live in a blissful ignorance, or seeking to give up all responsibilities and freedoms to authority.
I never realized this and with P5 Royal this makes even more sense
Also Shido election is very realistic too
I never bothered with the final god boss, because I always thought the execution of the whole thing was so good (except for maybe Yaldabaoth's characterization). The people refusing to accept Shido's wrongdoings, coupled with the PT's existence being connected to their public notoriety was so good as a plotpoint and felt like a natural progression from Shido's arc.
It's crazy that p5 is 5 years old now. It's made such a impact
It’s crazy that p6 is 6 years old now. It’s made such a impact
@@Zyzzkxx it's crazy that p7 is 7 years old now. It's made such a impact
@@-.-- it's crazy that p8 is 8 years old now. It's made such a impact
@@voidlooksback it's crazy p9 is 9 years old now. It's made such a impact
@@curtis701 it's crazy p10 is 10 years old now. It's made such a impact
“I want Persona 6 to be DARK, have an adult cast, and REMOVE social links!”
“Why not just play Shin Megami Tensei?”
“No.”
"Play a real SHAM MAGOOMI TENSAY game."
@@theheadlessjackfrost679 sham magoomi tensay sounds like a fun game
“Shin Megami Tensei? Isn't that just the Japanese name for Persona?”
---A bunch of people.
Or just play P2:EP just sayin'
*Doesn't elaborate what they mean by "dark"*
Five years of stealing hearts…honestly really kept me going. Thanks, P5.
In my opinion, the biggest issue with Makoto’s confidant is that 75% of it isn’t even about her.
It feels weird being both a persona and JoJo fan since It seems like the upcoming years are a golden age of both series and I'm down for it love this video
There's also the unbelievable hype when a new game/part is announced
to be fair, you have to have a very high iq to understand groo's character
Yes Gru is a very complex character, he did steal the moon after all
The fact that it's misspelled makes it so much better.
I do unironically love Goro though.
@@lildrawhub1025 Agreed, Goro Majima is a great character
@@GTaito I... certainly don't disagree with that.
@@lildrawhub1025 P5R did so much for his character
One of my favorite games of all time, can't believe it's 5 years old now.
Great name
This is pretty crazy to think that Persona 5 is already 5 years old. I too got in to Persona in 2012 by watching a let's play of Persona 4 on whim and getting really in to it. After watching that let's play I went on to playthrough Persona 3 and 4 multiple times, and once I got my teeth in to Persona 5, I again fell in love all over again.
Yeah, it's really crazy how much of an impact these angsty high school anime games can have in someone's life.
P5 was a such a good part of my life, I wish I could experience it for the 1st time again
I disagree that the party members' confidants are "mehhh" for lack of a better word. :P
I can understand not really enjoying them, but they do build each person's character a lot. Then again, I'm prone to overanalyzing everything in my character analyses lol.
It's always weird how a lot of the game's themes are lost in translation from East to West culturally, yet at the same time it's awesome to see the story and characters resonate with such a global audience.
Always great to hear other people's thoughts on these games!
11:29 One thing you CAN do, is introduce someone to the game. I actually have my uncle hooked on P5R. He drops by every few months, and we work through the story. I even started him on a New Game+ save, with a 100% Compendium and all of Jose's stamps. That way, he can see all of the story beats with minimal scheduling headaches.
There are a few spots where I'll put my foot down (avoiding bad endings, advancing critical confidants), but other than that, he directs, I drive.
I wanted to do the same for my mom with The Last of Us. While she grasped the zombie apocalypse premise she didn’t seem all that interested in seeing the story through, although when she does see me play, she also keeps an eye on the cutscenes.
The main reason for me at least that I can see why people judge products based on the fanbase is because if you love it, but lack people in your own social circle to talk about it, you turn to the internet. So when you see the general fanbase as something you clash with, you'd have no real place to talk about the product you might super enjoy.
It happens to me a lot when I pick up something but missed that hype train so there's no conversation going on at all and my friends wouldn't be into it. Or I try to throw myself into something popular, but struggle to find decent conversations about it, or even feel shame for liking it because the fanbase has made nonfans weary of anyone into said thing. I really miss back in the day when you could go to recess and always find a group of kids who also watched whatever you wanted to talk about the day before and trying to find the weird obscure thing to impress them.
Man it's crazy to think that persona 5 is already 5 years old, it's already surpassed my mental age.
Persona 5 came out 5 years ago but with how often its talked about it feels like it came out last week. And I think that's a good thing.
I remember Persona 5's hype cycle was so intense that even though I didn't care for JRPGs (and my only knowledge of the franchise being a picture I saw of Chie once) everyone I knew/followed online wouldn't shut up about it for about 3 or 4 years lol.
And now your fan of Persona 5
Ahh to go back in time where you could openly say “yeah I like persona 5 “ I miss the fan base pre p5 blowing up. I’m glad it did though it’s a un apologetically a fucking great jrpg that is not style over substance.
6:02 I genuinely don’t get how people consider P3-P5 to be way different interms if tone (Especially P3 and P4) each game has its dark moments but still feels lighthearted despite it dark moments
I think that's more of both sharing general anime tropes. I'd say overall, P4 is a lighthearted game with darker elements thrown in while P3 is a darker game with lighthearted elements thrown in. Part of the problem is finding the right words for it, since I feel like dark portrays something that's bleak and gritty, which isn't a good fit for P3. Best I can think of is P3 is more serious while P4 is goofy, but it feels like that's doing a disservice towards P4.
I'll also add, I think both are good games and I appreciate the fact that they are different and think it was very much intentional. I'd say P5 leans more towards P3 in terms of tone, but is still pretty different overall.
As someone who began with P4, it was very light-hearted, and this was more obvious when I played P5 and my early game in P3. This isn't a knock on P4 by any means; it is currently my favorite and balanced emotional moments, as well.
Persona 4 can still be realistic dark. I mean the killer I think is probably the most realistic villain in the persona series.
@@paulg.4812 To me tonally P4 and P3 felt like I was playing the exact same game. Especially sense my preferences for P3 routes is Femc but even the MC isn’t really that dark. Like you have death but just death isn’t enough to be dark. Hell I would say for me adachi’s dungeon and everything that is going around in inaba at that time felt darker to me then literally any moment in P3 and P5. P3 other then the MC tracks the game felt like a lighthearted and hopeful for all of it run time. I think another thing that really plays into this is P3’s theming. While I think the creators did intend for the themes to be about accepting the reality that your gonna die. While I was playing through the game I never felt like other then Aigis and the death monologue the game was really trying to go for this theme. With everything that happens to the characters and SEES’s resolve to stop Nyx the theme felt like keeping hope in dire times. I’m really not tryna come off the wrong way but I feel like P3 is a game the try’s to give off the atheistic of being dark but can never really commit to the darker tone. Which I think is fine but i don’t think that makes a game dark.
@@starmaker75 I strongly agree with you. To me I feel like the reason Vanilla P4 felt like the darkest entire in the series was because of Inaba and the ending. To me everything felt a lot more idk Closer and grounded. All of P3’s main villains have this grand scheme Ryoji is a god. Strega was the world to end it feels so idk unemotional. Mean P4 you have a neet gamer who just wants attention a guy who I feel like as reasonably as one can has a messiah complex and an Incell all of these things in one way or another exist in our reality.
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This was my first Persona game. But knew about the series because of XPlay and saw it as a Shin Megami Tensei spin off.
I just bought it on. Black Friday 2019 sale for $10 on Gamestop. Mainly bought it because TH-camrs like Projared, Rabbidluigi, and Compleionist said it was game of the year.
This became my Pandemic game. Played it durring the lockdown then bought 3 and 4 on PS3. As someone who grew up on Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts this was so different.
The social links. Also as someone who loved Sly Cooper this game me the ae vibe. Also my pay time
P5 vanilla-85 hours
P4 vanila-95 hours
P3 FES-164 hours(did not finish the Answer this was the main game)
Does anyone remember when gaming PCs amd consoles were going to fade out in favor of phones? Making the beginning of the last generation such a drought. (Besides being good games) I think Persona and Yakuza greatly benefited from the aforementioned drought.
Is crazy to see Yakuza: Like a dragon having an English dub and lip sync. Since not that long ago Yakuza fans had to beg Sega to release Yakuza 5 (digital only) in the west.
That idea of phasing out games for consoles and PC in favor for mobile devices still sounds awful.
@@theheadlessjackfrost679 Virtual thumb sticks still feel awful to use.
@@therealdude707 For 2D games, it's OK. 3D Games? How can anyone find that fun to control?
26:20 i love how Joker is treated in P5. Everyone treats him like a piece of shit and coming off of P4 where everyone acts like the sun comes out of Yu’s asshole.
That is the most beautiful way I've heard someone describe Chad Narukami
I’m so glad nam mentioned how it’s weird how kamoshidas palace is all interconnected as you complete it almost like a darksouls level and it just kinda goes nowhere. I feel like they wanted to do that and felt that it would have been redundant with the teleporting mechanic and it would have been miserable to not have the teleporting at all.
I never even knew what a persona was before I picked up persona 5. I was at GameStop and I didn't want to leave empty handed, so I bought this on a whim.
Best impulse buy of my life
Same story tbh
I found out about it because of Alpharad LMAO.
That's the exact same story I have too lol. I went to Gamestop for my bday but I didn't know what to get so I asked my friend what game I should get and he said Persona 5.
4:28 I've actually seen heated arguments over this on the Persona subreddit.
There's apparently a sliver of P1 and P2 die hard fans who insist that they could get rid of social links, social stats, and all the time management aspects of the game and the series would be just as popular.
I’ve given it some thought as well. At this point, they should NOT remove the social links and the time management aspects. The mainstream managed to latch onto Persona with those features as a selling point and it would be a disservice to go back to the P1, P2 narrative style.
The traditional style should be revisited in offshoot spin-offs. I think we are at a point where the majority of the fans wouldn’t mind if Altus followed up a numbered entry with a non-numbered traditional entry. I think it’s only the vocal minority and people of a certain lifestyle who will screech about not being able to socialize the waifus.
1:08:20 What I find awkward is how this way of thinking is heavily condemned by the Persona games, for the final boss always rants about how the general public is apathetic, vain, slothful.
What scares me is how the party can never respond beyond “but some people have passion!” However, the game does end on a high-note by saying that it’s up to you to make the world a better place.
Thats probably because, one; the characters aren't exactly what I or anybody else would term as particularly good debaters, which is fair enough even if they ARE considering the contexts, and two; there really ISN'T that good of a response to those sorts of criticisms. Humans in general, as a very general rule for us as a race, are lazy, or slothful, or whatever term you want to use. And we also are very often apathetic to most things outside of our immediate surroundings, and we can be vain. Fuck, many of these things are likely biologically hard wired in, and are a big psychological/social force, too.
So of course you can't really dispute the rule. Its pointless. Bringing up exceptions doesn't really change the facts at hand.
But, on the other hand, its far (read; infinitely) more complicated then just 'humans....bad...' like the antagonists think (or, alternatively, the countless many misanthropes you can find loitering around on the Internet if you look hard enough). Us being flawed is hardly grounds to exterminate/enslave/whatever ever man, woman and child, either. The negative traits exist, and are a big factor, perhaps even the dominant ones. But they hardly magically override the positive ones, either.
Persona 5 royal was the first Persona game I felt sad when I finished.
I genuinely almost cried when I finished the original game because I didn’t want it to end. I was so glad when I got royal
@@hudman0590 Yeah. I remembered feeling sad when I gave Maruki the calling card because I knew I was almost done.
Man, your channel was an integral part of the Persona 5 hype for me. Reminiscing alongside you guys with this little mini-series has been a blast. Thinking back to that waiting period right before this game came out and the first year after launch... Man, those memories feel so vivid, like they have more color or something, I don't know. This game evokes so many memories from that time. I love it for that.
I always think of the phantom thieves and they're requests as a concept for Japanese soceity where they're trying to say 'if you be more yourself and rebel, we can change the rules so that this wouldn't happen'
I finished Royal early last month after loving Golden. Against all of my preconceived knowledge about the game, Goro ended up being my favorite character. I consider him to be a very immoral character, but his self-hatred of being a bastard, overwhelming desire to be loved, absolutely amazing design as Prince, heroic and understandable sacrifice, and underrated inner conflict in the third semester made him an amazing character for me. I even saw aspects myself, both good and bad, in him.
He's certainly a remarkable character. Despite the lengths the game goes to paint him as a "misguided goodguy", I really think his presence helps illustrate the game's themes and make the overrall plot better.
Also, his 3rd characterization is just perfect
@@victorhugocosta1127 I never saw Goro as misguided. He’s a totally Light Yagami style psycho who puts on a polite face in public
@@victorhugocosta1127 Fuck it, I'll bite.
I'm curious; where, exactly, does the game try so very hard to paint Goro Fucking Akechi as a 'misguided goodguy', pray tell? This is such a bizarrely common criticism of P5 that has been around for years by now, and yet, I don't think I have ever once seen ANYBODY who peddles it back it up with anything past subjective interpretations and the ocassional pointing towards Akechi being 'forgiven' by the cast towards his death (or, well, 'death'). Neither is...exactly terribly compelling, suffice to say. If what the cast did there looks like forgiveness to you or anybody else, then I don't really know what else to say, other than to wonder what you think outright rejection or hatred is supposed to look like.
I suppose I can be nice and concede that Akechi, in a grand, overall sense by the narrative itself, probably isn't presented as poorly as he should be morality wise, but then, that seems to be a bizarrely common thing in Japanese media in general I have noticed over the years. I've got no fucking clue as to why this sort of phenomenon exists, and I don't even know how to begin phrasing it nevermind a proper word for it, nor am giving an excuse or throwing a 'but what about?'-ism, either. But I also don't really think its all that much of a flaw, to be frank. He's not presented quite as much like the scumbag he is as he really should be. Woop-de-doo.
Persona 5 is a good video game. Change my mind. Ryuji and Futaba are my babbies.
I’d like the press turn to come to Persona, it’s really neat and DDS also did it well, so it would be neat alongside the the wild card for everyone in P1 & P2.
its a complete mindfuck for me. Everyone who has said "i want persona 6 to be DARK" and then proceed to pull out this sort of checklist they want p6 to accomplish, theyre literaly describing what smt games are. Then you tell them that and they go all like "no, i want them to be like the original p1 and p2", and then it fucks my mind even more cause those games feel and play like smt games
Thanks to this game i went and played a real shin magogoo tenshoe game
Which one?
@@spudsbuchlaw v
Just think of the persona 5 highlights over the years
Out of all the characters, I think Haru has grown on me the most. Especially after Strikers, where when we meet Gramps, everyone's going, "we don't trust you." and "you're super suspect.". Then, we have Haru in the corner straight up going, "We don't fuck with Ops."
also i keep haru screentime meme, and the joke isnt funny,
Good game but the fanbase is weirdly obsessive. Im glad i played it a couple years after release so i could avoid any discussions and play it blind
It’s a fandom of Lucas mains
@@0ptimuscrime fan base of what?
@@papasquat3882 I have smash bros brain poisoning. Lucas mains can be weird.
also been this far into the video but I literally have no idea what happens in FF7 and Ocarina of Time except for like one key moment so I might try them as a fresh new experience
Yessss, do iiiiiiit
I beat FFVII a few days ago, FFVIII yesterday, and OOT and MM last month.
Go for it. Life changing shit.
OG FF7 holds up so well imo. After you get used to the blocky artstyle, the game realy shines.
I recommend playing the Steam version with the reMAKO HD mod. It remasters ALL pre-rendered backgrounds in the game
I've beaten Ocarine of Time, but I definitely agree on FF7. I have vague ideas on who characters like Cloud are, but in terms of the actual plot, I know nothing. Hopefully the Remake doesn't take too long to finish.
I remember my friend showing me a meme of Reggie wearing Joker’s mask when Joker got announced for Smash. I hadn’t heard about it yet because it had just happened so I was like, “Wow, for a second I thought this was a reveal for Joker in Smash or something,” and she was like, “Oh yeah, he was.” I’ll never forget the shock I had in that moment, lol.
Downloaded it 4 weeks ago. And I literally can't let it go anymore. I am already in my second playthrough
yeah I especially agree with the external influence stuff, bacause I was playing p5 and enjoying it a lot, but then I saw a review that sad that the game was horrible and I started having an existencial crisis if what I was playing was good or not, but then I realised it that the game beying good or bad I like it, and that's what matter at the end
What got me to play Persona 5 (my first persona game) was the concept of normal life during the day and crazy/fantasy/criminal stuff during the night, it's a concept so common on series and movies but I think it was never explored as good in a videogame as the persona games do
I love Morgana, I’ll never understand why he gets so much unfiltered rage
Same
I suppose there are some factors like Vanilla fans that had their night portions of the game closed thanks to his "go to sleep" thing. His simp behavior towards Ann through the whole game. His bickering with Ryuji. His arc stealing Haru's only spotlight in the game, etc.
I like him. He's a swell guy, despite his glaring flaws.
I can't believe there are people who thinks he's more annoying than Teddie
@@victorhugocosta1127 I don't even think that Teddie is that annoying. I guess im just not picky with characters.
@@victorhugocosta1127 all those are positives except the haru part, and I played both vanilla and royal and literally never had a problem with go to sleep. He’s just a chill cat bro who does a little simping!
@@DmmyV I think the anti Morgana and teddie people are the same ones who complain that persona isn’t dark enough
Awesome
keep the persona tradition of antagonist name starting with the letter "A"
Didnt know Nyx started with an "A"
Akechi,
Adachi,
And Apathy.
@@priceyyeti4058 got anymore names that rhyme with “Sketchy”? Or it can be something that ends in “I” or it’s sound (Persona 3 qualifies in that remark). Watch the next game have an antagonist with the name “Mary”.
@@Mageman17 The villain in P6 will be Anarchy.
Nyarlathotep
Pandora
King Leo
Nyx
Yaldabaoth
Izanami
About the Curry comment about 25 minutes in, The reason he is not ill is he balanced his diet with his other meals. The reason he is not sick of it is that was scientifically the best curry around of that style.
My overall opinion with p5 story is somewhat similar to how you guys feel with akechi as a character: somewhat cheesy movie but has some great shit. I'm definitely have less issues with it though, because I do like yadly and didn't find the stuff that they were doing with akechi to be that confusing. One thing I can honestly agree with: the big bad gods can probably stop at this point, especially after p5s, p4au, etc. But yeah, I can say that P5 is great, but it does suck knowing that the fans (especially with p5 popularity) has tainted this game for so many people.
I really wanna see the universe where p5 actually released in 2014
when you really think about it p5 on a thematic level is similar to nocturne
The handling of Yaldabaoth and the Depths of Mementos leaves a little bit to be desired but I feel like it's an important part for reinforcing the game's themes and message, especially considering what happens immediately afterwards. If anything, I feel like this tradition should've been broken to a degree in P4 since Izanami doesn't seem to have much reason to actually wanna fight you after you've gone through the effort to not only stop her plan but continue seeking out answers to the end, like she seems to have wanted.
Let's gooooooooo
That’s the only reason persona isn’t that much popular because of the anime part of it
I got into Persona 5 Royal without ever really even knowing anything about Persona. I'd just heard 5 was good, so I just picked up Royal a couple days after it came out and loved it.
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Happy 5 Years for the game that invented Jazz, Shibuya, and JRPGs, according to the internet.
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Can't believe this game is 5
I think the Shido thing also doesn’t work because there is never once where Shido and the phantom theives actually face each other in the real world. Like Shido doesn’t directly fight with them like Kamoshida or Madarame do.
I feel like posting a shitty fanfic in the guise of armchair rewriting.
How I'd "fix" Akechi: I'd split him into two different characters, one being Law Akechi - the character we saw at the start of the game until the betrayal, exactly as he appeared to be aside from the attempted murder of Joker. The other character would be the asshole who has been running around in the black mask, who we'll call Chaos Akechi. I would make Law Akechi stay Shido's bastard child but have turned out well (morally) despite that. Law Akechi would not work for Shido in any capacity, would not know that Shido is his dad, and would just honestly be trying to do what was right - letting the system handle the bad guys instead of having these self-styled vigilantes run around messing with people's heads in ways no one understands. Law Akechi would initially believe that the Phantom Thieves did accidentally kill Haru's dad.
Chaos Akechi would be Law Akechi's twin sister, publicly acknowledged as Shido's offspring, and in the process of being groomed to be Shido's successor. For the sake of this character, I'd change Shido to already be the PM of Japan and all of Chaos Akechi's palace activity would be about enhancing Shido's current power both within his party and in the political arena more generally. Chaos Akechi would not hate Shido, but would be a megalomaniacal narcissistic sociopath because of being raised under Shido's influence. Shido would make appearances throughout the game helping Chaos Akechi campaign for her first seat in the Diet. The game would build to Shido being the apparent final boss a week before the election date (which would also be pivotal to Shido as some kind of a final consolidation of power), but when the player reaches Shido, Chaos Akechi assassinates him in a cutscene causing Shido's palace to fall apart. Chaos Akechi would reveal her motive to the Phantom Thieves, indicate that she somehow has the immediate successor to her father wrapped around her finger, and taunt the phantom thieves (in a way that makes it clear what her palace would be) before running off. Chaos Akechi would then have a palace with a week long deadline. Her motivation would have been to become Japan's Shadow Prime Minister - an apparently minor politician who has dirt on virtually everyone that makes decisions and can expose or kill them at any time. Inheriting all her father's assets, being shot into the national spotlight following his death, and receiving a sympathy bump in the election would all be added benefits. I'd make her palace to be a ninja fortress or something along those lines.
Aging both Akechis up a little (to their early 20's) seems like it might be necessary to make this story work. I'd make the reason why the twins were separated be that Shido saw having a cute daughter to be advantageous to his political career and having her follow in his footsteps (as a notably female politician) to be a way to firmly entrench his legacy in Japanese politics, but thought that a boy could cause him only media scandals and make him waste political capital trying to cover for any misconduct he might do (Shido has enough personal misconduct to worry about without adding to it). Also, I guess I'd have Shido not seeing Chaos Akechi's betrayal coming and being shocked about it as an "et tu, Brute" moment, he'd be hurt but accept his death with some dignity. As to Law Akechi, I guess I'd have him somehow realize the truth about what happened to Haru's dad and rejoin the team because he'd see that there would be no way for the system to account for Chaos Akechi's crimes, knowing what she did would destroy everybody's faith in the political system as a whole.
There's also the idea of just making the phantom thieves having actually accidentally killed Haru's dad and having there be no shadow assassin, but I can see why the developers don't want that.
Edit: As an addendum, I also had the idea of having Chaos Akechi be from an opposing political party but to have Shido campaigning for her nonetheless as what looks to the public to be a "I don't agree with you, but your heart's in the right place and I trust you to represent your constituents well" thing, pushing the public to a post-partisan era. In reality, Shido would be trying to build an era where politicians truly loyal to his agenda occasionally mount fake opposition masked to the public with amicability. In other words, some of Shido's pawns would appear to be from different parties but would have good relationships with him in kayfabe to justify them doing his bidding and may have public feuds with Shido but only regarding subjects that are truly irrelevant to his agenda. If any apparent deals are cut it would involve Shido making meaningless concessions to them in exchange for getting what he wants. I don't know where I got any of these ideas, I'm just a very creative person, I guess.
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When P5 came out I used my week vacation from to play it.
19:50 and so begins an unintentional analysis of flanderization.
We’ll be back with its 10 year anniversary
With the Akechi discussion, I saw somewhere that he represents his own personal justice
I loved the release day events in Tokyo for P5 and P5R.
Until P5 chair teaser, I never played a Persona game before. Until I decide to give it a try, bought a Vita to play P4G.
I got into persona 5 months ago with p5, went in blind and was blown away
I'm currently playing 3, like it so far but bro..where's the level design lol?
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I knew a guy who handed out printed out memes at school and one of them was mishima saying dont come to school tomorrow and someone snitched and he got suspended for making a school shooting threat.
Funny thing is persona 5 is a game I knew nothing about, because I’ve always played games like dark souls, rainbow six siege and Titanfall 2
As someone who struggled with Okumra's boss fight I realise why some people hard a harder time then others. Since the robots he sends out block Physical skills you have to use magic
The difficulty comes in when you find that tou magic skills does piss poor damage. The reason being is because if you're a dumbass like me you deleted your skills that boost your magic dmg by 25%.
I only noticed after the while I reminicisng that Haru so much damage so I checkednher skills and she had that.
5:03 I have exactly three words to say to that:
Duke Nukem Forever.
I think the shortcut thing is less they cut something from the game where u were supposed to sneak back in and more for going back and unlocking chests u missed and stuff
Out of curiosity, what would be a reason to play vanilla p4 over golden? I know that some characters like chie and teddie have different voices but is there anything else?
Honestly, Chie's voice shouldn't stop you from playing Golden. It's worth to mention that it's like P5 Royal, where you can get the original game's ending if you don't max out a certain social link/confidant, so you can pretty much play the original game within Golden.
Think it would be cool if Akechi really di believe in justice. Through helping shido he would get someone he could influense in a place of great power. his plan would have been to blackmail shido to enforce a twisted verion of justice on the siticens of japan.
It kills me when people say P4 is too dated considering I first discovered P4 beating it three times running on a Surface Pro 4.
Honestly, I think akechi being the foil to the PT would have been better, because the game barely touches on the “are we the baddies” regarding the Thieves effectively brain washing people.
I'm honestly kind of confused by their confusion with Akechi. It is like they need Akechi to represent some kind of philosophically dialectic thing in the story ... when he was just a secret it villain and it was just as simple as that. Sadistic Akechi was the real Akechi and he was playing a part until that point. You do not need the extra ROYAL content for that to be clear. For the purposes of Yalgabalth's game, Akechi was still fighting on the side of Lawful Evil, even though he had the more Neutral Evil goal of revenge against his Shido, his actions were still propping up Shido's cabal thus feeding the concept that humanity wanted to be controlled
oh no it’s been half a decade
I say that persona 5 when first came out it was the perfect time for me as I was the same age as the characters(16) so it was easy to get into the world of persona and persona 5 especially. I’m impress that still got a passing grade(like a B) because I did spend a lot of my free time on persona for the spring quarter and was falling behind. Spring 2017 was a lot of good thing happening as I got confirmed in my church, samurai Jack season 5(despite somewhat lacking 3 last episodes) and persona 5.
My order of the main cast:
Futaba
Yusuke
Makoto
Ryuji
Joker
Haru
Ann
Mona
And with akechi, well for royal I got a lot of things to said
You guys are thinking waaay too hard about Akechi
Mecha-chi should have been in P5R lmao
Do the reverse and tell people the games only been out for 3 years
I love Adachi Gru
mishima defence hive rise up
Fred Hampton but he’s a phantom thief🤔
Honestly, if Atlus had just made Goro the exact same character, backstory and all, but took out his crazy, evil murder man side and kept his prince side and made that who he truly was, I think he'd be a much stronger character.
Regarding the sentiment that P5’s themes were undercut by “solving characters’ problems with magic,” I think a large part of that comes from the expectations set by previous entries.
In P3 and P4, the magic was an abstraction of inner strength and identity, but was separated to an extent from the characters’ more mundane problems. Magic was used to solve problems caused by magic, but personal problems were solved “the hard way,” with introspection and growth.
As a result, some came to see that as a part of the identity of the series, and so expected P5 to follow that precedent. This lead to being disappointed when it didn’t, as instead of feeling like a shift in focus, it felt like the characters got an “easy out,” to an extent.
Only thing I don’t agree with is Akechi being seen as law and Joker as chaos. Honestly you reached pretty far there to criticize that. Law and Chaos isn’t present here and it’s not meant to be interpreted the way you think it is.
Expectation dictates a lot of your enjoyment or lack thereof. I had low expectations for KH3, and while disappointing I still found enjoyment. Post launch the game steadily improved, and the dlc is arguably the series best collection of super bosses (though price feel is undeserved). I dont condone fixing a game after launch and only after you know you have made bank, but some dont even do that much even when successful.
P4 still the best
What the fuck its been 5 years?
Mishima to me, is one of those characters that has a good story... but I don't like the character in question regardless.
My first persona was number 4 and honestly it’s my least favorite of the ones I’ve played which is 3,4 & 5.
Joker being in smash was how I got into persona
Where is part 1?
I was incredibly indifferent to P5R in my first run. Gameplay kept me going at least. I didn’t care about the story until the added month/story.
I was way more vested in the ideas and plot Maruki and Kazumi offered than the teen rebellion that took up most the story.
A story of helping by altering mentality vs facing ones issues? That’s a story I wish I had a whole game of at the end
Royal saved P5 from a narrative standpoint for me. The original lacked a point where you could truly become invested emotionally and philosophically like you could when faced with Maruki's viewpoint and the tug of war with what the proper course of action is. But it had the potential with Akechi's opposing viewpoint, that being maintaining order first yet still striving toward a better tomorrow, only for it to turn him into the Persona mandated traitor and the genericism it entails leaving us with no personification of what Akechi originally stood for. Maruki's approach is different from both, but unlike Akechi the narrative commits to his and does not necessarily leave the player with a definitive answer. Admitedly Akechi's true outlook on justice is better represented in Royal, but it still lacks the gray tone that comes with the PT's versus Maruki's ideologies.
I dont understand how people don't like morgana. it takes half an ounce of people skills to know that if someone is being cocky and self-centered it's because they're insecure on the inside.
I think he’s fine. People overhate bc of the “go to sleep” mechanic
Also remember that Persona fans can’t read
i don't hate morgana but he does get irritating at times with the cockiness and the week he takes off and stays with haru, then the mementos chase. i mean he's nowhere near as grating as teddy but morgana isn't the best animal character either (that honor goes to best doggo sorry)
@@personafanatic4597 Those negatives parts of Morgana are actually part of his “arc”, that’s why I can’t exactly dislike him. At the end of the day, the mascots are kinda unnecessary so Koromaru gets a pass for not being annoying
All my friends hate him but I enjoy him a lot, especially his relationship with Ryuji. Their relationship and banter is hilarious.
Mainly becuase in reality so his struggles come off really weird. What I mean is of he were a human born and raised in the human world as opposed to this weird Cat thing from another dimension he'd relatable and understandable.