osho : "Love is a by-product of a rising consciousness. It is just like a fragrance of a flower. Don’t search for it in the roots; it is not there. Your biology is your roots; your consciousness is your flowering. As you become more and more an open lotus of consciousness, you will be surprised - taken aback - with a tremendous experience which can only be called love. You are so full of joy, so full of bliss, each fiber of your being is dancing with ecstasy. You are just like a rain cloud that wants to rain and shower. The moment you are overflowing with bliss, a tremendous longing arises in you, to share it. That sharing is love'"
As I undestood mr Federicos proposition it is the other way around. With the loving consciousness being the primary and the whole process of a seed originitaing, sprouting and eventually smelling to other physicalrepresentations of consciousness, all of it being the free will of what originaly was just a quantum field. It is particularly difficult to comprehand because time works a bit different on a quantum level and we cant really comprehand eternity, here and now in our physical form burdened by our present persepctive and experience of the limited, of the physical. Thanks for bringing in Osho into this thought line. Great addition.
As a lifelong physicalist (retired eye doctor with undergrad studies in physics), what a joy it was to discover that I was WRONG ... that materialism truly is "Baloney." Only now is it obvious that consciousness is primary - that it is an ontological primitive - that all we have is awareness and the specious present, and that what we call the 'physical world' is an inference; a theoretical abstraction. Words cannot express how thankful I am to have discovered such luminaries as Bernardo Kastrup and Federico Faggin. Thanks also to the Essentia Foundation who are committed to promoting such metaphysical positions as analytic idealism.❤
Thank you! I’m a child of the 1960s. I had my first psychedelic experience, listened to Alan Watts live every week on television, and started meditating when I was 14. I’m now 78. Many of the ideas you now address with concerted analytic vigor I have been thinking about all my life since then. I believe that Bernardo and scientists like Fernando Fagin and others are vigorously building the paradigm shift we have long awaited. Everyone should thank you, but they don’t get it yet. On behalf of humanity and life on earth, I thank you all. Keep it up!
We should start a club (My experience parallels your story…I’m 71 and been with coach Watts since the seventies) start the worlds largest disorganized religion. For further coaching might I suggest on TH-cam a brilliant woman named Sarah and her podcast “The Alchemist”.🏌️
Same here, just 63. Nothing there which can have any impact on my consciousness of BEING and LIGHT. Problems are 'just' outside ❤to find solutions. Not taking over my conscious state. That is all if we just would be told :)
eh, normal? words are quite limited, especially if we wanna give an impression of our "maps of associations" or "dynamic, fluid-like, colour-like mix of emotions" or "dynamic, multi-sensorical paintings of what we're visualizing", as i may put these into words. And then the fact, that language equivalences are slow, always lagging behind what the internal world just was about. Then, entering the dynamic world of memories, and yet another world of interpretation, understanding and how the current mood overshadows all of it, whether the memories or language bits came from within or from out there. Of course, subjective experience is complex and colourful, no question about that. But so it is for everyone. And that makes it normal.
What a joy, I can’t help but give thanks to all the people who have made this video possible, past and present. How fantastic is it to be a human trying to understand the consciousness we are all a part of! The gift that keeps giving, smelling the roses and rejoicing and then the joy of being able to deeply think about it all, and then the joy of sharing with us your thinking. Beautiful, thank you all.
Really nicely expressed :D I would add that in a way, it's not just some people that made this video possible, but rather it's EVERYTHING, every field, every particle, the sum of all forces at every moment in time, that precipitated this opportunity to contemplate this wisdom. :D
@@teatime009Hello, had to take a minute and look up what propriception means😂..I found it so ironic in a funny way, that you used this word, but its insertion in my lexicon has been very helpful to me😀I guess I was watching this video in a way to help me understand the propriception of "I" in consciousness, as opposed to the position of my body in time and space!
He described exactly what I experienced when my mind exploded from a brownie once in Amsterdam. I saw myself as a ball of light inside my head controlling my body like a machine. My eyes were like windows, my physical movements delayed and separate to my conciousness. I never saw reality or myself the same again since
What was in those brownies psilocybin? When I did dmt I became an atom vibrating in harmony with every other atom in the universe. I swear it lifted the veil covering the quantum world. Definitely a life changing experience.
@@codymedford4308 haha that sounds mad, what else did you see? whats crazy is that i always wanted to do dmt, but thought i'd wait til i was sure I was ready to look at life differently..Then this happened and i went through an ego death anyway lol. My awareness since has been crazy.. lots of strange synchronicities. This brownie supposedly had just weed, but i've never smoked anything before.. only had edibles.. and when i do i have these very visual mind opening experiences.
The thing is even psychedelics won't give you a clear description of what it feels to have conciousness outside of human perception. Your human perception alters, sure. But you won't be able to understand. Conciousness is pobably a feature of many living beings, and probably even trees and plants to some degree. But it's only in combination with our human brain - you can reflect on how being concious feels specifically for humans. Probably plants experience this conciousness thing in a totally different way than you lol
@@codymedford4308 haha that sounds crazy, what kinds of things did you see? The funny thing is I've always planned to do dmt, but wanted to wait til i was completely ready to see the world and myself differently. This cake supposedly only had weed, but i've never smoked anything before, just edibles.. It seems i brought on the same ego death i was cautious of accidentally lol Since this occasion in 2019 I've had very very impactful visual experiences with weed edibles, and my awareness has elevated immensely. Many strange occurrences of synchronicity and stuff day to day. I feel i have a much higher understanding of my mind, thought patterns, time, and space and use edibles in much smaller doses now if ever. It doesn't feel like something necessary after what I've been taught.
@@laniakeas92 facts. The reality is that we only see and are aware of a fraction of what composes reality. We may be able to experience new lenses to see through, but there is so much beyond our comprehension that we are a part of, in this dimension and beyond. As you said, plants are known to have their own experiences; they live, communicate and feel just in different ways to us. I don't like to subscribe to many beliefs, but i like to think that the universe itself is consciousness, one thing breathing cyclically, and everything within it is part of that one thing, like how if you opened an egg everything within is still the egg, just separate components. That each of us are just different viewpoints of the same thing.
Buddhism is Hinduism only. Cause Hinduism isn't a single religion. It is a term used for faiths/schools originating in India, and Buddhism is of Indian origin, so don't separate. The modern classifications are done by foreigners who didn't understand anything. We must correct it.
@@cosmosapien597 infact the very word “Hinduism” is false. The collection of Indian religious systems should be properly referred to as Vedic Religion and Brahmanism….I think you know Hindu is a Persian mispronunciation of Sindu which was a river in India that some people lived by and were also called by that name.
@@TheLastOutlaw-KTS Those two words don't include many other sects. Like tantra. They should be called Hindu schools with an 's' to indicate that they are part of Hindu civilization.
@@00Tenrai00 Its not exactly a 'base-state', creation in this context is more like maya(illusion) but brahman is more like the base state (absolute, being and non-being, true self). Maya is enjoyed for the same reason we enjoy stories, forgetting and remembering through character role-play. Note, there are many variations on this within Vedanta philosophy.
I am a perfumer and through out years am i trying to figure out how to combine scents and predict the outcome.Along the way have I made astonishing observations.The most awing observation is what I call the concluding phase of smell formation:The exact moment the scent show ups in your mind,is when your feeling of intentional sniffing concludes.The sensation is transferring from physical to mind.
I bought this book, Irreducible after watching this video. I’m blown away by the clarity of this view of consciousness. Having studied metaphysics, religions, meditation, and non duality for 45 years of adult life, Federico settles the dust of debate in the Preface! I am totally enjoying this book! Well done!
💯I got the book too, and it's amazing, I recommend it to anyone who is watching this video. It's understandable without any scientific background. It gives a comprehensive history of scientific developments that have lead to the view that consciousness is a product of the brain that is understandable on 'how we got to here'. Federico gives his own insights on consciousness and free will as fundamental properties of existence in the context of our knowledge of quantum physics. The book is scientifically grounded, but ultimately it reads to me as a deeply spiritual book. In Tibetan Bön and Buddhism, the path follows the steps of View, Meditation, Action and Fruition, where in some paths, view is the most important foundation, and involves understanding the nature of yourself and all existence. This book is very much about establishing the view that we live in a non-dual existence and universe as the wisdom traditions have always been saying, ( and Federico acknowledges ). Federico shares his personal experience of awakening, and how that experience and his understanding that free will and consciousness are fundamental properties of all existence, and that we ourselves, are conscious fields inhabiting bodies, not our bodies themselves, and therefore will continue to exist after bodily death. Beyond the view, Federico shares, how living with it has enriches his life, as it restores meaning and purpose to ourselves and our existence, stripped away by the materialst view of the universe. I can't encourage the book more, for anyone who is scientifically interested, spiritually oriented, is interested or concerned about AI and computer consciousness ( a big part of the book ), or wonders about the big questions about the meaning of life, existence, purpose, and whether we have our own agency and free will, or are living out a predetermined existence. I would like to find a place a to have a discussion forum around the book, but for now am so glad to see a lot of interest in these ideas here. Once anyone has given it a read, please share your thoughts here, I'm very eager to talk about it with other people interested in these ideas.
I listened 3x in the past 24 hours - this here video is a complete game changer 🙌🏻 my prayer is that the unconscious algorithms get this info out to the right conscious minds so we can cooperate, better humanity and look forward to a new future on this planet rooted in love and peace. #faith
Very much required explanation for the western world Sir. I am happy for that and proud to say that our Indian Scriptures have elaborately explained exactly the same things...the theories of Vedanta taken to US by well-known Swami Vivekananda..... unfortunately materialistic Indians have forgotten this treasure. Thanks Sir for relating this to modern science
The argument Federico Faggin makes at 30m is: We can't accurately put feelings into words, therefore they cannot be copied. Quantum states also cannot be copied, therefore feelings must come from quantum states. That is in itself a logical fallacy - a version of the inverse error. But the whole concept that feelings must be outside of classical physics just because they evade description is one of many statements in this interview that indicate he simply doesn't understand neurology well enough. If he did, he would have realized that it may simply be because the limbic system evolved hundreds of millions of years before Broca's or Wernike's areas and because of that it operates so differently that it cannot communicate much information to them, even if it DID have the pathways to do so (which it doesn't). It's not uncommon for someone with a high degree of specialty in certain areas, in this case physics and engineering, to look at a problem in another area and assume that they can grasp it just as well as the specialists of those fields. Like all of us, it's hard for him to wrap his head around the fact that language and consciousness are only the very tip of what the brain is doing - we are unaware of the vast majority of what is going on in our own heads. THAT is why it is such a black box. So he looks at this mystery with his physics hammer and assumes it must be the same quantum nail that is still a mystery in physics. There may very well be mechanisms in the brain that go beyond classical physics, but he's basically the guy who sees something in the sky that he can't identify and then telling everyone that it must be aliens.
It’s not just ‘alien believers’ or ‘spiritual gurus’ claiming that consciousness is fundamental to reality-it’s emerging from scientific experiments. In the quantum eraser experiment, if information about a particle’s path is erased, it acts like a wave; if the information is kept, it behaves like a particle. So, it’s not the measurement/detector itself that affects its behavior, it’s the mere potential to know which the path it takes that changes the outcome. It’s almost as if the particle ‘knows’ it’s being observed which brings up conciousness. Who would’ve thought this was possible? Not me-but the experiments suggest it’s a legitimate and logical possibility.
People think pop media led understanding of complex physics topics is enough. Enough using words to express math, that's like using words to express a melody. The melody is the melody, not the words.
@@nuestra_victoriayou seem to have a very common misconception regarding quantum science. The measurement problem is that the measurement changes the outcome, so you're not really measuring the original state but the changed state. It's cause of physical interaction not "observers". Btw observers always observe the past. What we see even if it is right in front of you, comes to your eyes after the moment the photons were emitted. So observing never really changed anything cause the observer sees it after the incident occurs.
@@Fdan36 I get what you’re saying, thanks for engaging. But, but I’m not claiming consciousness directly affects particles more like it miiiiight. In the quantum eraser experiment, a particle’s behavior changes based on whether path info could be known-even if no one actually observes it. When that info is erased, it acts like a wave; when it’s kept, it behaves like a particle. Thats what the results show. The strange part is that this hints at something about ‘potential knowledge,’ which, yeah, does bring consciousness into the conversation, even if indirectly. And im saying that is kinda crazy. What do you think “potential knowledge” means in the quantum experiment? Could you explain how it can affect the result? If im misunderstanding please let me know.
Information can be encoded on a wave if you vary the amplitude or the frequency of the wave.The act of observation collapses the wave because the conduit through which the wave(information) must pass doesn't have the capacity to represent the information in a one to one correspondence so we naturally group together certain input patterns as information goes from the source domain(environment)to the target domain(lifeform). When the information gets to the target domain(visual processing) it's reconstituted giving us our model of reality. The reality that we experience is a result of this internal process of reconstitution. I'm wondering if quantum physics simply describes the set of rules that govern the formation of that reconstituted model of reality. In other words It's a model of how physical objects are perceived not created. We know that visual processing utilizes holographic principles. In my opinion evidence is mounting that the end result of the visual process is a holographic model that we project onto three dimensional space. Just because we're able to create a holographic representation of three dimensional space doesn't automatically mean that reality is a simulation. In other words we navigate three dimensional space with a holographic model of reality. Perhaps the principle of nonlocality applies to the information regarding an object's existence and location but not the object itself. The information would be embedded within the three dimensional space around the object in the form of interference patterns created when light interacts with objects scatterers. Oh man my brain ran out of juice. Feel free to help me finish the thoughts if anything makes sense. lol have a beautiful day everyone!
This is akin to the Surangama Sutra, Hindu, Theravada and other eastern concepts. He gives it a western material reduction language. He’s not the first by far. Still, more voices make a harmonious sound.
@@sekeetaheliastraatmans8190 he’s not got it has he? the fundamental mistake the self is an illusion” The dream that dreamt it was real. “Anatta” the mind cannot see itself. Shantideva. and Shunyatta! even thoughts, are empty
Yes, very similar explanations found in Theravada Abidharma. They go deeper though. Maybe this line of thinking will encourage people to look at those things and take them more seriously.
Im glad more of our brightest minds are studying consciousness more. When i went to NC State, alot of my friends who studied physics or were minorly interested in the field were very cautious to even talk about such a thing I hope the stigma attached to it decreases and we keep diving deeper and deeper into it!
Not that I have heard anything I dont know from my own experience in this video, but the way Federico incorporated it with physics and quantum theory ....WOW just WOW. Thank you so much for posting this video.
Quite a few aspects of Federico Faggin's description of the universe are essentially the Seven Hermetic Principles. Truth is universal, and it is being re-discovered again and again in more and more detail. This talk is the first compelling description of the quantum nature of consciousness I have heard.
This talk reinforces my belief that out next breakthrough in history will be of the human mind. I feel we're on the cusp of advancements in terms of our understanding of ourselves. Brings hope to my poor human heart 😊
One wants to know itself, was presented to me as a description of God by a Sufi about 45 years ago, and that concept resurfaced for me when listening to Frederico, which is intrinsically joyful to me.
This puts an entirely new light on "Feeling is the answer". "Feelings are the language of the soul" -Conversations with God Book 1 Feeling is quantum! All observable physical effects on our body are a result of that quantum state. And since it cannot be copied, it can only be replicated approximately. Feelings (Quantum State) are Absolute. Our interpretation of that Quantum State is relative. From Quantum Feeling to Classical physiological effects- information of the Absolute State is lost. Thus all physiological effects are only an approximation of what we truly feel. And all our technological constructions being physical, cannot truly feel and be conscious of it like we can. Mind blowing stuff... Ties in well with Stephen Wolfram's discovery of computational irreducibility. Consciousness cannot be computed/derived, because it is Absolute.
49:47 Yes, the Hindus were correct. Science is proving that the teachings of Advaita Vedanta philosophy of Hinduism are indeed true. The study of consciousness is not a new subject; it's as old as the Vedas and Upanishads. I remember a quote from Evan Thompson: "The Upanishads are so significant in the history of human thought that we would do better to mark human history not as AD and BC, but we should say 'before Upanishad' and 'after Upanishad.'"
in my learning of religious scriptures and texts the Hindu scriptures and knowledges have been one of the most important and maybe even the only ones truly worthwhile, of course a few quotes from Jesus were very good but you can find the same knowledges in other texts so. Although the Bible story touched my feelings the most.
I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological . My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs that depend on the level of abstraction one chooses to analyze the system and are used to approximately describe underlying physical processes; these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities, and therefore consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property. Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract and subjective cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept.
Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness. (With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams). From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience. Some clarifications. The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. An example may clarify this point: the concept of nation. Nation is not a physical entity and does not refer to a mind-independent entity because it is just a set of arbitrarily chosen people. The same goes for the brain. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality. Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property. Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience. My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that the very foundations of our scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness. Marco Biagini
This is very interesting and many parts went over my head, but let’s meet in the next phase of life and talk about how your views have changed since this post 😄
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on consciousness and the brain. While your argument raises some interesting philosophical points, there are several issues with your reasoning that I'd like to address: 1. Your definition of consciousness conflates different aspects (phenomenal and access consciousness) that philosophers and neuroscientists often distinguish. This leads to some confused conclusions. 2. Your characterization of emergent properties as purely subjective constructs misunderstands the concept of emergence in science. Many emergent phenomena are objectively real and not merely conceptual. 3. The argument about sets and physical reality commits a category error. Just because we can conceptualize something as a set doesn't negate its physical existence. 4. The claim that "only indivisible elements may exist objectively" contradicts our scientific understanding of complex systems and their properties. 5. You present a false dichotomy between physical and non-physical explanations of consciousness, ignoring potential future scientific explanations or more nuanced understandings. 6. There's a lack of distinction between awareness of mental phenomena and the phenomena themselves, which is crucial for understanding brain-consciousness relationships. 7. While you claim your approach is scientific, it relies more on conceptual analysis and philosophical assumptions rather than empirical evidence or testable hypotheses. Your argument raises interesting questions, but it doesn't fully engage with current neuroscientific and philosophical understandings of consciousness. I'd encourage you to explore more recent work in these fields, which addresses many of these issues in more depth and nuance.
*As an advaitian this developments bring me joy that finally science is coming to the same conclusions which was said thousands of years of ago in the Vedas.*
Thank you all for bringing this into awareness. Clearly consciousness is manifesting briefly through what we call "life" and then reabsorbs into "no words only consciousness"... A Zen teacher that I studied with had said "human thinking always manifests the human world - "no" thinking manifests where everything is One.
I was sitting and doing nothing beside a tree yesterday, and the tree told me “isn’t it so nice to be me and always sit here and do nothing” .. it felt evolved, like what I aspired to be really.
Since my childhood, I knew physics could be applied into philosophy and human-life-related phenomena. It is a treasure for us that there are people like Federico Faggin who dived deep in these topics rather than being mere scientist with and provide us with invaluable insights about the main questions of life!
I have had 5 out of body experiences, 4 were from a sober state. Each one was more real than my everyday reality, and I have memory of every single second of every single detail, nowhere in my life do I have memories as crystal clear as my out of body experiences. Just the sheer clarity of my memory of those experiences proves to me that life expands outside of the physical vibration speed of this dimension. Our consciousness/soul/spirit/quantum mind exists inside and outside of the body. This individual mind makes up one large individual mind.
This resonates with every cell in my body and what I have been thinking and feeling since I was born but was unable to support. Very very happy to hear that I am not crazy if that makes sense. It's a relief somehow.
it s so refreshing to see the jungian point of view of consciousness being revitalised in modern topics that gives us a better understaning of it know in the age of quantum mechanics, he was so ahead of his time indeed, also thank you for the video.
I'm overjoyed to see someone mentioning Jung. It was Jung and his teachings that introduced me to the depths of our being. While listening I constantly thought of Jung and his model of the psyche. Especially when Faggin referred to 'totality'. Obviously his model is correct.
I have a degree in counseling and was close to a PhD in psychology in the 2000s. I hated Jung. Twenty years later I realized why- I was not ready to understand him. Its time now.
Like a long awaited rain in a dessert this video brought me back to reality of life! Marvellous, thank you so much for introducing Federico's work for the masses!
There are numerous studies that show that our consciousness perceives what is going to happen 6 seconds in the future. This aligns with experimental evidence regarding quantum superposition in microtubule arrays which allow faster than light - essentially reversing time - and permitting “real time” instantaneous conscious perceptions. When we also are able to demonstrate our reality is created (co-created as a larger group of consciousnesses) by our own conscious projections as perceptions, preconceived ideas, and historical understanding / emotions) we begin to move toward a working model within a new discipline: the science of consciousness
@Federico Faggin 54:27 I would have answered: The breakthrough is inscribed from the tools we use everyday; languages (either spoken, written and ‘computed’) and mathematics… All the way to everything really, as the theory is self-proving, it can be applied (or should I say superposed? I think it is more accurate that way 🤣) to philosophy and to resignificate/reconstruct our perception of reality (physics, chemistry, biology; life… and also all the way to psychology and such sciences which try to answer how, why, when, where and what is actually going on). The breakthrough itself is: us having an axiom-/tool-/theory (thus having the cognizance basis) which could potentially indicate us ways to improve the form of how we do everything; from communication, bonding, living; improving deep into our thinking, thus transliterating into feelings bringing the significance of emotions to life so we can conceive existing in a better self by not only being, but for sharing the reap of what we’ve sown through our selves lives. Thou art love, free thyselves. P.S.: Sorry about them semantics or misuse of any word/s (as of English not being my native language) P.S.2: it’s almost 8am in here, so good morning! And in case I don’t see you… Good afternoon, good evening and good night! ;3 (I have to take out the trash now haha)
Btw, in case he actually reads this… Have you considered time crystals for quantum computation/computing? Also what are your postures towards materials that we should be using for this matters?
One can only "know" something if it is separate from that which is to be known. "To be" there is no dualism. So yes, dualistic realities are attempts at knowing.
I know myself, I dont know universe, but we have an easy word for it as a whole, if its possible, than the language and the universe its just complexity difference.
Beautifuly said at the end. This theory is not about creating new, better technology, but about evolving humans beyond that primitive materialistic mindset of "fight or flight", "survival of the fittest", "free market", and other materialistic dogmas that were imposed on us through conditioning called "educational system", for the benefit of the few. Implications of this theory are that we are all connected more than we can perceive through analytical mind, and that we must start looking at each other as a part of one. Also, what's not mentioned here, but is implied down the road, it's about switching focus solely from the mind, also to the heart. Of course, that brings a totally new worldview that is in stark contradiction with a LOT of systems nowadays, therefore they will fight to discredit this theory and evolution of consciousness in general. But, the thing is, one who truly understands the implications, will realize the true meaning of free will, and therefore will simply choose the other way, and leave all the fights behind. Thank you Federico!
Swapping our perspective to view 0D as truly fundamental, rather than the higher 1D-4D dimensions we currently take as basic building blocks, could potentially resolve numerous long-standing contradictions and paradoxes across logic, mathematics and physics. Here are some of the key issues that a "0D is fundamental" viewpoint may shed new light on: 1. The Continuum Hypothesis and Set Theory Paradoxes: Treating points (0D) as the fundamental entities, rather than deriving them from sets/continuums of higher dimensions, could resolve paradoxes around infinity, self-reference, and the problematic concept of completed infinite sets in set theory. 2. Zeno's Paradoxes of Motion: The paradoxes surrounding infinitely dividing space and time may dissolve if 0D points are seen as more real and fundamental than the derived concept of extension through higher dimensions. 3. Singularity Problems in General Relativity: The bizarre infinities and paradoxes surrounding gravitational singularities could be avoided if 4D spacetime is not fundamental, but emerges from a more primitive 0D theory of quantum gravity. 4. The Measurement Problem in Quantum Mechanics: The paradoxes around wavefunction collapse may result from trying to fit inherently 0D quantum processes into a higher 3D spatial manifold. A 0D quantum gravity basis could resolve this. 5. Non-Locality and Bell's Inequality Paradox: Entanglement and non-local correlations violating Bell's inequality seem paradoxical from a 3D perspective, but a fundamentally 0D underpinning could naturally allow such phenomena. 6. The Substantive Reality of Space and Time: The paradoxical nature of space and time as seemingly real yet dynamical players in physics could be resolved if they are not primordial substances but derivative from an essence of 0D events. If 1D-4D manifolds are not locally real in some sense that alone may force us to recognize a more primitive 0D reality as the true locus of beables and local verities in our cosmic model. A daring shift to 0D fundamentality could echo past revolutions like the atomic model or quantum theory itself in resolving deeply ingrained paradoxes. It's a profound concept well worth exploring rigorously by physicists and logicians.
@priyakulkarni9583 I think he's trying to say that it might rain tomorrow, or it might not. Rain might not even exist if no one is present to observe it. I could be wrong, though.
@@zarnabsajjil2139 . I think it's a mirror universe with 0D subatomic stuff at the center. This side is contingent and less real and the other side is necessary and more real. On this side only 0D subatomic stuff is necessary and more real since 0D is non-natural in that it has no spatial (1D, 2D, 3D) or temporal (4D) extension. 1D-4D natural dimensions can all be divided further (divisible) so they're not locally real or less real but 0D non-natural dimension cannot be divided further (indivisible) so is locally real or more real. If 0 = 0 + 0i then 0D = 0D + 0Di.
This video should have gone viral in India.. all the ancient indian texts have been saying the same thing but for the first time we have someone who has connected physics with this theory.. mandukya upanishad has been saying this all along... THIS NEEDS MORE VIEWS
Liked him saying it will help know yourself better... leads to better people...to realise who we are....co operate instead of competing the end of the interview.....
The argument around these things will never end, because consciousness is never going to be "reducible" to what people will think of as "acceptable scientific concepts." In the end, it's a kind of magic, and I think it will remain forever irreducible. It's a gift reality gives us, and we can enjoy it and revel in it. But it will never lay all of its secrets bare.
“There are more things in heaven and earth than our dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio”. I believe is the quote Federico was trying to remember! Love that quote.
I love this man and I cherish these discussions as well as this presentation. I spent my intellectual life as a materialist - with all the questions being surrendered to “rationalism” and then I stumbled upon Kastrup. Thank you!
I usually am hard to impress when it comes to consciousness and any attempts at describing, but theres something about the way federico explains it that i really enjoy.
Right. Richard Feyman had said" I can safely say that no one can understand quantum physics " . . I am very much appreciated for all scientists are working hard to find out the solution. I am strongly believe in what Buddha had told us the truth about 3000 years ago. Why not spend some time to study Sharma.
My firsts cpus were made by this guy, among others, 8086 and z80. Its quite exciting seeing him talking about conscience. Really, we grew used to technology and determinism, fearing things apart that. However, quantum technology today isn't efficient like the one found in plants, so if nature did that for plants, ...
He nailed it.....I now can figure out symbols and our inter connectedness...❤ Yes , the Vegas have told us about this but, it was in a language that not many knew. Thank you from the bottom of my heart❤❤❤❤❤
I'm a software engineer and I have always considered my profession as ludicrous because of the fact that what we "produce" ultimately does not exist. If we reduce my profession to its most basic form we can say that we are simply rearranging bits of "ones" (1) and "zeroes" (0) on a quantum system which we call "computers." I say that the"software" do not exist on their own because their existence ultimately depends on the "user." In other words, the meaning of that software derives from the user. The arrangement of 1s and 0s can mean differently to a different conscious user say for example that that user uses a different "computer", different from our classical computer, to interpret the 1s and 0s. Or if it does not usee anything at all it may be meaningless - though the absence of meaning is still meaning! So... is this the same to the reality around us? A car is a car because it is simply is a car to us? What is a car really? The car is not a car without the road because the car won't move without it. A car is not a car without the air because it will not combust. So is the atmosphere part of the car? What is the boundary of the concept we call "car." If we go on and on we can deduce that the whole universe is a car, which is absurd! I think I can conclude that this ultimately applies to reality. Is "reality" reality for us because this is how we mean reality is??? Matter appears as matter to us because for us this is how matter means? But the ultimate question is - where does these meanings come from??? Who or what gives us these template of meanings?
What you are describing is what is called within Buddhism the relative truth, and it is as you said, nothing other than an agreed upon convention among perceivers. Different perceivers, for example, ants as compared to humans, will have different conventions (whether implicit or explicit) and perceive a different world. In this sense there is no one world. Nor are there many. The truth is not limited by such ideas Reality itself is described as the union of this conventional or relative truth and the absolute truth of emptiness, which IS this very nature of the relative truth, that it has no fundamental ground. All truths that we can describe in words or contemplate are relative truths, specific to times and places. Not ultimate. The ultimate truth is the fact that this is the case. But one must distinguish this from the postmodern idea that "everything is relative", because what's presented in Buddhism is the _union_ of that relative and the ultimate. It's difficult to describe how, but this puts constraints on the truth. Not anything goes, and it cannot be solidified as a doctrine. The question of where it comes from and why is a question that can be answered from certain perspectives, so this is also a relative truth. This makes for a very open and fascinating universe.
With regards to coveying our conscious feeling in our limited vocabulary; the ancient greeks had a much richer language with considerably more words plus the ability to include more feeling and also numerical values.
Because they (in general the ancient humans) were more connected to our inner world, to our consciousness, so its reality was wider; they needed that vocabulary because they had to allocate symbols (words) to those experiences (now put aside by many of us). It's like the colours, we don't have names for radiations outside the visible range, not because the don't exist, simply because we cannot perceive them.
Absolutely brilliant. His postulate on the 1 & knowing oneself, recognising the difference between consciousness & symbolic reality is something I have been questioning in my mind for a while, he annunciated it more clearly for me, thank you Federico & thank you for sharing this
All of you need to read Jacobo Grinberg's Syntergy Theory. The Matrix/Latice/Universe/Source is an infinite space of energy and reality/experience is the result of a mutual interaction between this continuous informational field and the Atenna/Councious being. The common human can only perceive a part of this field. This is easily proven by the fact that the human perception (visual, auditory, tactile, sent, etc) is diferent from other living beings, interacting with the same energy field. Furthermore, there is no such thing as empy space, there is only lack of perception (let that sink in!)
what a great insight that can only lead to the real truth about who we are. because whoever says he knows who he is does not go further than naming labels.
We need more such scientists and researchers who primarily deal with left-brain stuff combine their right-brain experiences to come to conclusions made by integrating the two perspectives. It takes courage to speak the truth and love in the heart to be someone like this. Immense love and respect to you.
Someone else who has gone further than just about anyone in trying to understand the true nature of consciousness and has published his own Theory of Everything, is Tom Campbell. He had a long career as a scientist and nuclear physicist for NASA and the DoD.
@@iguessjohn If that's how you see it, so be it. I truly felt what I wrote. Even intellectuals can be beautiful people (not just 'nerds')- especially when they use reason to stabilize their reactive emotions and still experience fully, the beautiful emotions. And it's not like such people don't exist (to make this wishful thinking). They already do, and I have come across many of them. So their numbers increasing is not very difficult. I have immense love and respect for them. And I respect them not due to their credentials, but due to awe of what they do to bring a better understanding of the human experience.
This is so profound! OMG I saved this one to my folder to share with a ton of my friends and associates! Priceless! I'm ordering several copies of his book and a Kindle version also!! ❤️🙏😃
I listen to Nisargadatta Maharaj every morning " You may die a hundred deaths without a break in the mental turmoil. Or, you may keep your body and die only in the mind. The death of the mind is the birth of wisdom. Whatever happens, happens to you by you, through you; you are the creator, enjoyer and destroyer of all you perceive." Bless you
I really love that someone of us humans has the beutyfull idea to express the One Truth that we are more than material biotecnologie but the Essence of a magnificent Being (the Creator) Who has divided It self for getting to experience what and Who he is❤ Such a discorse never touch the scientist minds becouse we struggle with deviding instead to see holistic approce 🎉
31:49 I’m confused as to what his response would be to - when we have our brains scanned, we can see activity aka neurons firing off in the lateral orbitofrontal, amygdala, etc., which directly correlate to emotion. I don’t see how that is anything different than a computer, other than our processing would be much more advanced than any computer. We have a part of our brain, or all of our brain that are individually by section tasked with pattern recognition, and at most i would assume we have types of patterns that are recognized based on whichever section is active in our brain activity. I’m truly confused. To me it seems as if he is saying that we can’t measure or see feeling, when, to my understanding, we can literally see brain activity from the parts of our brain responsible for that. I’m very confused someone please help me understand what I’m missing. I’m sure it’s a lot, but I still believe all of this important to address. Thank you.
32:32 qualia seems like the answer to this; but it lays on two premises: 1) that that statement that we run on qualia is accurate. Which lets say it is for this next premise 2) that we cant product that with a computer, but, we can produce quantum states inside computers for short times, and the limit is the advancement of our technology but we see a steady progress over time to where i dont see how eventually we couldnt replicate a large volume of qualia in a quantum computer?
The feed back of information from our senses(nerve endings )or even our thoughts need a processor to regulate the body in order for the body to cope with, regulate,respond, etc., the mystery is how does the thing we call the person experience a shared quality of those processes…a computer does a good job of processing the data being received, but had no capacity to feel the emotion or experience from the data. Think feeling, ask the question of how to make a memory chip or processor feel something. It can describe but cannot feel
@@lureup9973 i believe i addressed this in my statements above by pointing out the part of our brain responsible for emotion/feeling is arguably another type of pattern recognition that can be replicated in quantum computing, if we imagine the different parts of our brain as specialized units of pattern recognition for different types of pattern of stimuli based on neuron activity
@@bobthebuilder9416 pattern recognition is exactly what any processor shines at… if you can break it down for me please explain how those patterns create an experience like the experience of joy
@@lureup9973 by joy theres a few different things u could be reffering 2 as words are only symbols people use to communicate the thing, and dont actually represent necesarily what we are reffering to. As such, ill use something i think of when i hear joy. Maslows hierarchy of needs. To me, this would be high neuron activity in the lateral orbitofrontal, mild activity from amygdala found when seratonin is released from being around our mates. The lateral orbitofrontal is the social part of our brain. As such, if both the social part of our brain feels fufillment, as well as the soul-mate, love part of our brain is fufilled, that would be just high electricity flowing through neurons activity on a brain scan. This is assuming we have proper sleep and food and low stress to quiet out the negative parts of the amygdala. Next we have the neurotransmitter dopamine and the NT saratonin that i mentioned earlier. Assuming all of these things were in place, this would represent a positive “feeling” on a brain scan. And a pattern of different neurotransmitters through different parts of the brain, from what i understand, would be very similar, and even possibly replicated, from a quantum computer
Brilliant 🎉 so wonderful to hear someone with academic education bring it all together - it's as though ancient traditions meet modern quantum physics meets Wisdom & Insight 🎉 brilliant 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
The closing remark of getting to know each other and cooperate is so similqr to the verse of the Quran that says as translated "oh humanity we have created you from male and female and turned you into nations and tribe to get to know each other. Verily the most noble of you in Allahs sight is he who is most conscious"..wow
When I was a teenager, I designed my own computers with the Z80 microprocessor that Federico invented. Now regarding consciousness, I feel he has some genius ideas and insights, but also a few misconceptions. I'd love to see what happens, when we bring together Federico with Rupert Spira.
1:00 "Consciousness is a quantum field. The body is a structure in space and time that is quantum and classical." 1:58 "One wants to know Itself. So we are fields created by one, to know Itself." The easy way to know oneself: Sing *HU* daily to safely alter personal frequencies. Search how to sing *HU* . "If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibrations."- Nikola Tesla.
Interestingly, as a youngster, I was perplexed by the proposition that "nothing does not exist", which is, curiously, a direct answer to YOUR question! I think that's a little weird. 🤗
If consciousness is a quantum field, then one should be able to add the field to the Lagrangian that couples with matter and boson fields and make an observable prediction. What is the symmetry group of this field?
@@tubal1 deleted the word "that" from my comment, just a typo. Should couple with the EM field because we can sense things (Coulomb force) and see light. Probably should not couple with fields like the Higgs or quark/nuclear fields since our consciousness does not see or feel that.
@@Greg-xs5py But I sill don't see how you could make an observable prediction. We can't even predict the behaviour of one single wave-particle,.... Imagine predicting the behaviour of a coherent or even incoherent quantum system which is, more or less, what Faggini says consciousness is. Precisely, that impossibility of determining the behaviour of quantum systems is what would "prove" the existence of free will.
@@tubal1 First I never said it would work. What I said is that if it is a quantum field, like the Higgs Boson or EM field, then you can make predictions about the behavior of interactions by computing scattering amplitudes. This is determined by the system Lagrangian and is what particle accelerators test. I mean, maybe it could be a QF and not be testable, but if it is a QF then someone should think about what the properties of the field are. That’s what is done for all the other quantum fields. If that can’t be done for consciousness then it is probably not a quantum field.
This account is very close to the Theravada Abidharma descriptions of what reality is. The base implication of this and the hardest thing to swallow will be that matter itself is felt, observed, touched through our own mind which is just quantum fields experiencing other quantum fields, hence the material correlations of the brain neuroscientists lock on to. In essence though, matter is an illusion, the ultimate reality of matter and mind are that they are the same. There is everything and nothing at the same time, is one way to describe it. It’s absolutely bonkers to think about. This entire experience all conscious living beings have is hands down the most bizarre thing ever and it’s happening every single moment. Isn’t that amazing in a way? It also opens up more questions, which may never be answered.
The fact that you put that clown in the same sentence as Carl Jung is an insult to intelligence itself. That's like comparing Neil DeGrasse Tyson to Carl Sagan, or Duncan Trussel to Terence McKenna. Nowhere near the same league.
Wow our planet’s energetic shift is finally materialising. The consciousness community was ridiculed and often labelled “Conspiracy theorists”. I’m truly grateful to be alive witnessing the mass awakening 🥳👏🏾
i mean....a computer is a computer based on its hard drive/programs and content. The power that powers it is electricity. Same with us. our brains and personality are the CPu and chi/energy is the electricity powering us. But still.....does that mean that theres an afterlife?? no. just anawareenss that the electricity is eternal....but other than that....our CPU is not. so what does it matter? Its like a computer saying to you it will exist forever insinde the power grid. (you know it wont....everything that made it IT will be gone).
Interesting analogy, but everything that made it IT won't be gone. My correction would be: CPU = the body/mind Electricity = Chi, Energy BUT consciousness would equal the "cloud/internet." The contents of our lives automatically uploaded to the cloud for others to tap into and learn from. The cloud acts as universal consciousness, containing all the information about the CPU's activities. Other CPUs still able to communicate and learn from the experiences of CPUs which have lost power. Parts of previous (and future) CPUs able to be downloaded and reanimated. Memory card = DNA that is copied and evolves from generation to generation. The heat of our computer body still radiating for a certain period of time after we are shut off. Our imprints left in the rugs of this dimension. Our gold, plastics and precious bits recycled for future use.
Except that there are experiences lived by people which are against that. It's not people just saying: "I'll exist forever". If you exclude these specific experiences, then you are being unscientific because you are chosing only those ones that accommodate your hypothesis, not those that are against them. A scientific rational mind would choose all the experiences (experiments in science) and try to ellaborate a theory which fits for all of them. The truth is always a combination of all points of view.
timestamp 35:59:00 consciousness is the one that controls the body like a 'drone' (data scout i.e. semi-autonomous) & the 'drone operator' as the quantum field - i wonder if this correlates w/ the epigenetics phenomenon (see Bruce Lipton's [2016], "Biology of Belief") or Sheldrake's (2009), Morphic Resonance?
While I'm sure Federico is a good person with honest intentions, I don't think he's telling us anything knew or groundbreaking. In fact, he's saying many things and not saying much at all. Most of what he's says we already know. What he's telling us doesn't make any new predictions about consciousness or tell us what is it. I saw a video where he spoke about the smell of a rose and asked, "Where is that smell in our minds that we know we smell and is distinct to that of a rose ? " I am, of course, paraphrasing but that gives you some idea. Something like a smell or that feeling that I am an ' I ', an individual that isn't you, also comes from chemical interactions. Those also play an important role in our experiences of the world. They are responsible not only for many other functions of the body but also for how the mind works as well as the experiences of " Feelings " We already know that things are made of atoms and particles, we already know about entanglement and that perhaps it has something to do with some interactions of neurons within the brain but still tells us little or anything new about consciousness. It seems people often try to find it as if it's a specific thing within the mind, in a specific place, and while I do think consciousness is part of the brain/ mind, it isn't just one thing alone in one place, it's many things going on within that brain that gives us the experience of being an ' I ' and not you, a being who sees and can observe the world around them as they do.
I think perhaps he is saying the brain / mind is part of consciousness, this is (you are right) not new or unknown, it is however not excepted as fundamental by many in the mathematical or the scientific communities. What you smell, when you smell a rose may be very different from what I smell, or what a bee might experience at the very same rose, or indeed how all this smelling affects the rose. Only the one consciousness knows what we collectively experience and feel, and all because consciousness wishes to know itself in every way possible, every way imaginable and as of yet unimagined or not yet experienced. This “I” you know to be you is you, but fundamentally you, every cell, atom, bacteria, virus in you at this moment is consciousness, but you only know and experience the “I”. Consciousness knows it all, and wants to know more.
This is exactly the conclusion I came to independently after understanding I don't imagine with imagery (Aphantasia). It's actually insane how I predicted, before even clicking on this video, that it would be my exact theory's conclusion but drawn from an actual professional in the field that covers the harder conceptual blindspots. This is why we don't understand intuitively the complex systems outside of our own selves...And aphantasia, along with other sensory related disparities expressed in the modern human are perfect viewports for other intellectuals and scholars of nature to draw from, a rich contrast between their own conscious experience...in order to gain clarity and a tightening of the focus around the Quantum / Macro interrelationships. Interrelationships that have eluded us for as long as modern consciousness related fields of study can remember. Essentially, we, all of us, all brain types, can cooperatively exchange perspectives of perception in order to propel ourselves off of this planet and out into our destinies. Just think what we could do if we put our bullshit aside and just worked together on our collective trailblaze into the stars. Lets finally try to live long and prosper 🖖
Many, many people are not going to buy this. It's not "rigorous" enough - doesn't "boil down to math" enough. To me it seems entirely completely right. But I suspect there's going to be a segment of people who will just never go there, and further, will never regard these ideas as anything other than fluff. It's sad. Everything - all the hard questions - just dissolve if you take consciousness as fundamental. Fine tuning problem? Gone. Melts away. Etc.
Timestamp 49:00 "quantifying" the invisible & timestamp 52:43 "pre-modern intuitions", highly recommend for the convenor to take Psilocybin or read Iain McGilchrist's (2009) "Master and His Emissary" to tap into the right-brain hemisphere = quantum realm, that way you'll be able to follow Mr. Faggin's logic.
True but like Bernado is saying, formulating the right question or hypothesis is even more challenging than later seeking proof. For example Einstein, derived his theories of relativity and special relativity from thought experiments and from there emerged hypothesis which could only be falsifiably tested through the scientific method and this happened much later. For example, atomic clocks were used relatively recently to test time dilation in supported of his theory of general relativity. I think we are at an exciting point in history where we are getting ever closer to a much more deeper understanding of the universe and ourselves. I see a converges in the perspectives of Bernardo, Faggin, Nobel, Hoffman and Nema that there is something much more fundamental than the space-time.
How can you prove something fundamental with non fundamental tools? How can we really prove what's really going on in a black hole or before the Big Bang? Science has limits
Here is the proof - your own experience. That is the only proof and the only truth. Here is a way to prove consciousness is fundamental for yourself - consider - can you have experience without matter? Yes - dreaming experience, deep sleep experience are experiences with no matter. Can you have matter without experience? No, once there is no experience there is no matter. Therefore, matter arises out of experience, not the other way around.
@@colinmccowan9056 > Can you have matter without experience? No Um yes you can. You're saying matter doesn't exist if no one's looking? You don't experience your brain cells. Do those not exist then? You're basically a virtual-reality believer then I guess (like Elon Musk).
This theory is entirely inline with my own personal views and experiences, the presentation was very emotive for myself and I assume others, I appreciate the insight. I look forward to reading the book when I have the means to get a copy. Thank you.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation: 00:02 *🌹 Consciousness is more than physical processes; scent of a rose cannot be just electrical signals in the brain.* 00:35 *🌌 Consciousness and quantum physics: physicists and neuroscientists struggle because they lack knowledge of each other's fields.* 01:07 *🌐 The body is a bridge between quantum consciousness and classical physical reality.* 02:15 *📖 Federico Faggin has written a book on consciousness, integrating his pioneering work in technology.* 03:47 *🧠 Consciousness and free will exist beyond the space-time reality where our bodies are.* 04:49 *🔍 Federico Faggin offers a satisfying account of the classical-quantum dichotomy, bridging the two worlds.* 05:49 *🧬 Quantum states are experiential states; classical world is their external observation.* 07:18 *📚 Physical reality is like a book written by pure consciousness; symbols derive from meaning.* 08:21 *🔍 New perspective on quantum mechanics' measurement problem through consciousness framework.* 09:51 *🔄 Decision of consciousness is the "collapse" in quantum mechanics, connecting meaning and symbols.* 10:51 *💡 Finding the right way to think about consciousness is the key challenge; solving problems follows.* 12:19 *🛠️ Federico's innovative thinking in technology applies to his approach to consciousness.* 14:49 *🧠 Early pioneers of computing recognized the philosophical implications of creating artificial intelligence.* 17:24 *🧠 Founding fathers of quantum mechanics pondered the relationship between consciousness and reality.* 18:59 *📘 "Irreducible Consciousness" explores the intersection of life, computers, and human nature.* 21:33 *💻 Federico realized that computers cannot be conscious, distinguishing intelligence from consciousness.* 25:04 *🤔 Consciousness involves knowing through sensations and feelings, beyond just electrical signals.* 27:12 *🔄 Mistaking artificial intelligence for true intelligence is projecting human properties onto computers.* 27:42 *🤔 Distinguishes between human feelings and computer imitations.* 29:40 *🔒 Consciousness is a private experience that cannot be fully shared.* 30:43 *🚫 Quantum states and consciousness cannot be copied or fully measured.* 34:15 *🧠 Consciousness controls the body, akin to a pilot controlling a drone.* 35:53 *💡 Consciousness is a quantum field, interacting with classical space-time through the body.* 37:25 *🔄 Consciousness and free will are fundamental postulates, self-evident truths.* 38:55 *🧩 The quantum state and consciousness share non-algorithmic properties.* 42:33 *❓ Emotions are a product of consciousness, which computers lack.* 44:08 *💭 Near-death experiences suggest consciousness exists independently of brain activity.* 50:40 *🌌 The universe, like humans, has an intrinsic desire to know itself.* 53:09 *🧬 The theory postulates consciousness and free will as starting points of reality.* 54:40 *🌍 Cooperation, rather than competition, is essential for a better planet.* Made with HARPA AI
osho : "Love is a by-product of a rising consciousness. It is just like a fragrance of a flower. Don’t search for it in the roots; it is not there. Your biology is your roots; your consciousness is your flowering. As you become more and more an open lotus of consciousness, you will be surprised - taken aback - with a tremendous experience which can only be called love. You are so full of joy, so full of bliss, each fiber of your being is dancing with ecstasy. You are just like a rain cloud that wants to rain and shower. The moment you are overflowing with bliss, a tremendous longing arises in you, to share it. That sharing is love'"
As I undestood mr Federicos proposition it is the other way around. With the loving consciousness being the primary and the whole process of a seed originitaing, sprouting and eventually smelling to other physicalrepresentations of consciousness, all of it being the free will of what originaly was just a quantum field. It is particularly difficult to comprehand because time works a bit different on a quantum level and we cant really comprehand eternity, here and now in our physical form burdened by our present persepctive and experience of the limited, of the physical.
Thanks for bringing in Osho into this thought line. Great addition.
Osho was a sex crazed radical .. smart with words.
Source please bro
Love is the only infinite resource.
@@sampurna5523source is at the top: osho
As a lifelong physicalist (retired eye doctor with undergrad studies in physics), what a joy it was to discover that I was WRONG ... that materialism truly is "Baloney." Only now is it obvious that consciousness is primary - that it is an ontological primitive - that all we have is awareness and the specious present, and that what we call the 'physical world' is an inference; a theoretical abstraction. Words cannot express how thankful I am to have discovered such luminaries as Bernardo Kastrup and Federico Faggin. Thanks also to the Essentia Foundation who are committed to promoting such metaphysical positions as analytic idealism.❤
@@Gnaritas42 "I regard consciousness as fundamental. I regard matter as derivative of consciousness." (Max Planck)
@@maxtroy Already have. And let's not forget Donald Hoffman. Cheers.
Not this, not that.
Idk what's so mind-blowing bout it
@@ZooDinghy All is an appearance that appears to an appearance that appears to appear. Better to discover the one that says what is.
Thank you! I’m a child of the 1960s. I had my first psychedelic experience, listened to Alan Watts live every week on television, and started meditating when I was 14. I’m now 78. Many of the ideas you now address with concerted analytic vigor I have been thinking about all my life since then. I believe that Bernardo and scientists like Fernando Fagin and others are vigorously building the paradigm shift we have long awaited. Everyone should thank you, but they don’t get it yet. On behalf of humanity
and life on earth, I thank you all. Keep it up!
I always knew a God had to exist after an acid trip when I was looking down at my self and viewing the room from a third person perspective.
We should start a club (My experience parallels your story…I’m 71 and been with coach Watts since the seventies) start the worlds largest disorganized religion.
For further coaching might I suggest on TH-cam a brilliant woman named Sarah and her podcast “The Alchemist”.🏌️
beautiful
It never occurred to me that Alan Watts was aired on television.
Same here, just 63. Nothing there which can have any impact on my consciousness of BEING and LIGHT. Problems are 'just' outside ❤to find solutions. Not taking over my conscious state. That is all if we just would be told :)
" What I can say about what I feel is much much less then what I feel "
beautiful quote
now a days people use little emoji symbols to "transmit emotions " through a image it works very well😉😉😉
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@@AuroCords thank you for your contribution to humanity
@@cdrummerrob no probs, but please edit it xD
eh, normal? words are quite limited, especially if we wanna give an impression of our "maps of associations" or "dynamic, fluid-like, colour-like mix of emotions" or "dynamic, multi-sensorical paintings of what we're visualizing", as i may put these into words.
And then the fact, that language equivalences are slow, always lagging behind what the internal world just was about. Then, entering the dynamic world of memories, and yet another world of interpretation, understanding and how the current mood overshadows all of it, whether the memories or language bits came from within or from out there.
Of course, subjective experience is complex and colourful, no question about that. But so it is for everyone. And that makes it normal.
We are going to come full circle ⭕ when spirituality and science merge.
The science of the soul.
beautifully said
that's what psychology was meant to be, then some guy who wanted to do his mom made it weird
On point! 🎯
Yeah but it will also lead to the most horrifying weapons humanity has ever made. If it exists, someone will weaponize it.
That's a False Flag Op there in that.
A Coin
Scienceiosophy = Obverse face
Religiosophy = Reverse face
Reality = between the two
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What a joy, I can’t help but give thanks to all the people who have made this video possible, past and present. How fantastic is it to be a human trying to understand the consciousness we are all a part of! The gift that keeps giving, smelling the roses and rejoicing and then the joy of being able to deeply think about it all, and then the joy of sharing with us your thinking. Beautiful, thank you all.
Really nicely expressed :D I would add that in a way, it's not just some people that made this video possible, but rather it's EVERYTHING, every field, every particle, the sum of all forces at every moment in time, that precipitated this opportunity to contemplate this wisdom. :D
@@teatime009 I'm sure you'd know a thing or two about being unhinged, it appears
@@zachhoythank you!
@@teatime009Hello, had to take a minute and look up what propriception means😂..I found it so ironic in a funny way, that you used this word, but its insertion in my lexicon has been very helpful to me😀I guess I was watching this video in a way to help me understand the propriception of "I" in consciousness, as opposed to the position of my body in time and space!
❤
He described exactly what I experienced when my mind exploded from a brownie once in Amsterdam. I saw myself as a ball of light inside my head controlling my body like a machine. My eyes were like windows, my physical movements delayed and separate to my conciousness. I never saw reality or myself the same again since
What was in those brownies psilocybin? When I did dmt I became an atom vibrating in harmony with every other atom in the universe. I swear it lifted the veil covering the quantum world. Definitely a life changing experience.
@@codymedford4308 haha that sounds mad, what else did you see? whats crazy is that i always wanted to do dmt, but thought i'd wait til i was sure I was ready to look at life differently..Then this happened and i went through an ego death anyway lol. My awareness since has been crazy.. lots of strange synchronicities. This brownie supposedly had just weed, but i've never smoked anything before.. only had edibles.. and when i do i have these very visual mind opening experiences.
The thing is even psychedelics won't give you a clear description of what it feels to have conciousness outside of human perception.
Your human perception alters, sure. But you won't be able to understand.
Conciousness is pobably a feature of many living beings, and probably even trees and plants to some degree.
But it's only in combination with our human brain - you can reflect on how being concious feels specifically for humans.
Probably plants experience this conciousness thing in a totally different way than you lol
@@codymedford4308 haha that sounds crazy, what kinds of things did you see? The funny thing is I've always planned to do dmt, but wanted to wait til i was completely ready to see the world and myself differently. This cake supposedly only had weed, but i've never smoked anything before, just edibles.. It seems i brought on the same ego death i was cautious of accidentally lol Since this occasion in 2019 I've had very very impactful visual experiences with weed edibles, and my awareness has elevated immensely. Many strange occurrences of synchronicity and stuff day to day. I feel i have a much higher understanding of my mind, thought patterns, time, and space and use edibles in much smaller doses now if ever. It doesn't feel like something necessary after what I've been taught.
@@laniakeas92 facts. The reality is that we only see and are aware of a fraction of what composes reality. We may be able to experience new lenses to see through, but there is so much beyond our comprehension that we are a part of, in this dimension and beyond. As you said, plants are known to have their own experiences; they live, communicate and feel just in different ways to us. I don't like to subscribe to many beliefs, but i like to think that the universe itself is consciousness, one thing breathing cyclically, and everything within it is part of that one thing, like how if you opened an egg everything within is still the egg, just separate components. That each of us are just different viewpoints of the same thing.
He is saying what they have been saying in Hinduism and Buddhism for thousands of years.
He mentioned that at 49:47
Buddhism is Hinduism only. Cause Hinduism isn't a single religion. It is a term used for faiths/schools originating in India, and Buddhism is of Indian origin, so don't separate. The modern classifications are done by foreigners who didn't understand anything. We must correct it.
@@cosmosapien597 infact the very word “Hinduism” is false. The collection of Indian religious systems should be properly referred to as Vedic Religion and Brahmanism….I think you know Hindu is a Persian mispronunciation of Sindu which was a river in India that some people lived by and were also called by that name.
@@TheLastOutlaw-KTS Those two words don't include many other sects. Like tantra. They should be called Hindu schools with an 's' to indicate that they are part of Hindu civilization.
@@TheLastOutlaw-KTSThank you , I didn't know this
Hinduism has been saying this from thousands of years. Life is a way for the creator to experience the creation.
Why would The Creator want to experience a base state of being?
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Self inquiry is my answer..
But a question to you.. Why should it not??
No one has to experience either creator or creation they always been there but only means of experience changes.@@00Tenrai00
@@00Tenrai00 Its not exactly a 'base-state', creation in this context is more like maya(illusion) but brahman is more like the base state (absolute, being and non-being, true self). Maya is enjoyed for the same reason we enjoy stories, forgetting and remembering through character role-play. Note, there are many variations on this within Vedanta philosophy.
@@00Tenrai00for the sake of the expirience- its what life is about, to expirience..
I am a perfumer and through out years am i trying to figure out how to combine scents and predict the outcome.Along the way have I made astonishing observations.The most awing observation is what I call the concluding phase of smell formation:The exact moment the scent show ups in your mind,is when your feeling of intentional sniffing concludes.The sensation is transferring from physical to mind.
Perfume: The Story of a Murderer
That's very cool
hate to break it to you but the mind is physical.
@@ancientflames No you are
@@ancientflamessuch narrow minded statement
I bought this book, Irreducible after watching this video. I’m blown away by the clarity of this view of consciousness. Having studied metaphysics, religions, meditation, and non duality for 45 years of adult life, Federico settles the dust of debate in the Preface! I am totally enjoying this book! Well done!
Me too! Just bought it. So far it's been a pleasure and easy to understand
💯I got the book too, and it's amazing, I recommend it to anyone who is watching this video. It's understandable without any scientific background. It gives a comprehensive history of scientific developments that have lead to the view that consciousness is a product of the brain that is understandable on 'how we got to here'. Federico gives his own insights on consciousness and free will as fundamental properties of existence in the context of our knowledge of quantum physics. The book is scientifically grounded, but ultimately it reads to me as a deeply spiritual book. In Tibetan Bön and Buddhism, the path follows the steps of View, Meditation, Action and Fruition, where in some paths, view is the most important foundation, and involves understanding the nature of yourself and all existence. This book is very much about establishing the view that we live in a non-dual existence and universe as the wisdom traditions have always been saying, ( and Federico acknowledges ). Federico shares his personal experience of awakening, and how that experience and his understanding that free will and consciousness are fundamental properties of all existence, and that we ourselves, are conscious fields inhabiting bodies, not our bodies themselves, and therefore will continue to exist after bodily death. Beyond the view, Federico shares, how living with it has enriches his life, as it restores meaning and purpose to ourselves and our existence, stripped away by the materialst view of the universe. I can't encourage the book more, for anyone who is scientifically interested, spiritually oriented, is interested or concerned about AI and computer consciousness ( a big part of the book ), or wonders about the big questions about the meaning of life, existence, purpose, and whether we have our own agency and free will, or are living out a predetermined existence. I would like to find a place a to have a discussion forum around the book, but for now am so glad to see a lot of interest in these ideas here. Once anyone has given it a read, please share your thoughts here, I'm very eager to talk about it with other people interested in these ideas.
Can't wait to get it.
What book
I listened 3x in the past 24 hours - this here video is a complete game changer 🙌🏻 my prayer is that the unconscious algorithms get this info out to the right conscious minds so we can cooperate, better humanity and look forward to a new future on this planet rooted in love and peace. #faith
Spread it word of mouth in your networks.
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Very much required explanation for the western world Sir. I am happy for that and proud to say that our Indian Scriptures have elaborately explained exactly the same things...the theories of Vedanta taken to US by well-known Swami Vivekananda..... unfortunately materialistic Indians have forgotten this treasure.
Thanks Sir for relating this to modern science
This is paradigm shifting and I'm happy that we are arriving here at last. Thank you, Federico Faggin, for opening this window for us!
Are we suppose to merge with A.I and robotics?
thanks
The argument Federico Faggin makes at 30m is:
We can't accurately put feelings into words, therefore they cannot be copied. Quantum states also cannot be copied, therefore feelings must come from quantum states.
That is in itself a logical fallacy - a version of the inverse error. But the whole concept that feelings must be outside of classical physics just because they evade description is one of many statements in this interview that indicate he simply doesn't understand neurology well enough. If he did, he would have realized that it may simply be because the limbic system evolved hundreds of millions of years before Broca's or Wernike's areas and because of that it operates so differently that it cannot communicate much information to them, even if it DID have the pathways to do so (which it doesn't).
It's not uncommon for someone with a high degree of specialty in certain areas, in this case physics and engineering, to look at a problem in another area and assume that they can grasp it just as well as the specialists of those fields.
Like all of us, it's hard for him to wrap his head around the fact that language and consciousness are only the very tip of what the brain is doing - we are unaware of the vast majority of what is going on in our own heads. THAT is why it is such a black box. So he looks at this mystery with his physics hammer and assumes it must be the same quantum nail that is still a mystery in physics.
There may very well be mechanisms in the brain that go beyond classical physics, but he's basically the guy who sees something in the sky that he can't identify and then telling everyone that it must be aliens.
It’s not just ‘alien believers’ or ‘spiritual gurus’ claiming that consciousness is fundamental to reality-it’s emerging from scientific experiments.
In the quantum eraser experiment, if information about a particle’s path is erased, it acts like a wave; if the information is kept, it behaves like a particle.
So, it’s not the measurement/detector itself that affects its behavior, it’s the mere potential to know which the path it takes that changes the outcome. It’s almost as if the particle ‘knows’ it’s being observed which brings up conciousness.
Who would’ve thought this was possible? Not me-but the experiments suggest it’s a legitimate and logical possibility.
People think pop media led understanding of complex physics topics is enough. Enough using words to express math, that's like using words to express a melody. The melody is the melody, not the words.
@@nuestra_victoriayou seem to have a very common misconception regarding quantum science. The measurement problem is that the measurement changes the outcome, so you're not really measuring the original state but the changed state. It's cause of physical interaction not "observers". Btw observers always observe the past. What we see even if it is right in front of you, comes to your eyes after the moment the photons were emitted. So observing never really changed anything cause the observer sees it after the incident occurs.
@@Fdan36 I get what you’re saying, thanks for engaging. But, but I’m not claiming consciousness directly affects particles more like it miiiiight. In the quantum eraser experiment, a particle’s behavior changes based on whether path info could be known-even if no one actually observes it. When that info is erased, it acts like a wave; when it’s kept, it behaves like a particle. Thats what the results show. The strange part is that this hints at something about ‘potential knowledge,’ which, yeah, does bring consciousness into the conversation, even if indirectly. And im saying that is kinda crazy. What do you think “potential knowledge” means in the quantum experiment? Could you explain how it can affect the result? If im misunderstanding please let me know.
Information can be encoded on a wave if you vary the amplitude or the frequency of the wave.The act of observation collapses the wave because the conduit through which the wave(information) must pass doesn't have the capacity to represent the information in a one to one correspondence so we naturally group together certain input patterns as information goes from the source domain(environment)to the target domain(lifeform). When the information gets to the target domain(visual processing) it's reconstituted giving us our model of reality. The reality that we experience is a result of this internal process of reconstitution. I'm wondering if quantum physics simply describes the set of rules that govern the formation of that reconstituted model of reality. In other words It's a model of how physical objects are perceived not created. We know that visual processing utilizes holographic principles. In my opinion evidence is mounting that the end result of the visual process is a holographic model that we project onto three dimensional space. Just because we're able to create a holographic representation of three dimensional space doesn't automatically mean that reality is a simulation. In other words we navigate three dimensional space with a holographic model of reality. Perhaps the principle of nonlocality applies to the information regarding an object's existence and location but not the object itself. The information would be embedded within the three dimensional space around the object in the form of interference patterns created when light interacts with objects scatterers. Oh man my brain ran out of juice. Feel free to help me finish the thoughts if anything makes sense. lol have a beautiful day everyone!
This is akin to the Surangama Sutra, Hindu, Theravada and other eastern concepts. He gives it a western material reduction language. He’s not the first by far. Still, more voices make a harmonious sound.
He did mentioned about Hinduism/Vedas from 49:47
@@sekeetaheliastraatmans8190 absolutely I study Dzrogchen they are miles behind sat in their little sandpit playing with toy trucks.
@@sekeetaheliastraatmans8190 he’s not got it has he? the fundamental mistake the self is an illusion” The dream that dreamt it was real. “Anatta” the mind cannot see itself. Shantideva.
and Shunyatta! even thoughts, are empty
reduction lol
Yes, very similar explanations found in Theravada Abidharma. They go deeper though. Maybe this line of thinking will encourage people to look at those things and take them more seriously.
Im glad more of our brightest minds are studying consciousness more.
When i went to NC State, alot of my friends who studied physics or were minorly interested in the field were very cautious to even talk about such a thing
I hope the stigma attached to it decreases and we keep diving deeper and deeper into it!
Why wouldn’t the brightest minds study themselves, that is what the mind does
@@JK-or3nuwhy would matter study itself , that's what matter does
Go pack! 🐺
Not that I have heard anything I dont know from my own experience in this video, but the way Federico incorporated it with physics and quantum theory ....WOW just WOW. Thank you so much for posting this video.
Quite a few aspects of Federico Faggin's description of the universe are essentially the Seven Hermetic Principles. Truth is universal, and it is being re-discovered again and again in more and more detail.
This talk is the first compelling description of the quantum nature of consciousness I have heard.
he said, "'one (i.e. universe) wants to know itself" were in the Seven Hermetic Principles does it say that?
Can’t stop smiling is that their quest and bewilderment is so precisely answered in Vedas, Trika, and Upanishads!
where does is it "precisely answered in Vedas, Trika, and Upanishads!"?
@@al-al5497 easy version is in chandogya Upanishad a bit advance is on Veda and also in Torah and Zohar, I love them all
And what is all of that? Iam in the dark about all this.
Nice to see the scientists are finally catching up to basic yogic knowledge :))
what did he say that is "basic yogic knowledge"?
This talk reinforces my belief that out next breakthrough in history will be of the human mind. I feel we're on the cusp of advancements in terms of our understanding of ourselves. Brings hope to my poor human heart 😊
Probably no quantum processes in the heart, just saying.
@@polyphony250 what if maybe there are 👀
One wants to know itself, was presented to me as a description of God by a Sufi about 45 years ago, and that concept resurfaced for me when listening to Frederico, which is intrinsically joyful to me.
This puts an entirely new light on "Feeling is the answer".
"Feelings are the language of the soul" -Conversations with God Book 1
Feeling is quantum! All observable physical effects on our body are a result of that quantum state. And since it cannot be copied, it can only be replicated approximately.
Feelings (Quantum State) are Absolute. Our interpretation of that Quantum State is relative.
From Quantum Feeling to Classical physiological effects- information of the Absolute State is lost. Thus all physiological effects are only an approximation of what we truly feel.
And all our technological constructions being physical, cannot truly feel and be conscious of it like we can.
Mind blowing stuff... Ties in well with Stephen Wolfram's discovery of computational irreducibility.
Consciousness cannot be computed/derived, because it is Absolute.
I literally cried with joy at certain parts - truly beautiful and harmonious insights. Thank you Federico & Essentia ❤
49:47 Yes, the Hindus were correct. Science is proving that the teachings of Advaita Vedanta philosophy of Hinduism are indeed true. The study of consciousness is not a new subject; it's as old as the Vedas and Upanishads. I remember a quote from Evan Thompson: "The Upanishads are so significant in the history of human thought that we would do better to mark human history not as AD and BC, but we should say 'before Upanishad' and 'after Upanishad.'"
in my learning of religious scriptures and texts the Hindu scriptures and knowledges have been one of the most important and maybe even the only ones truly worthwhile, of course a few quotes from Jesus were very good but you can find the same knowledges in other texts so. Although the Bible story touched my feelings the most.
The Bible can't stand alone. Particularly western Christianity. They rebuke Jesus with Paul. Yoga led me to Christ.
When you read out his accomplishments I almost fell over.
You now have my full attention.
He definitely doesn’t need to explain his position to a machine. Nor a machine write a summary of his achievements as a summation
I think this is the first time I really understood Consciousness
I am a physicist and I will explain why our scientific knowledge refutes the idea that consciousness is generated by the brain and that the origin of our mental experiences is physical/biological .
My argument proves that the fragmentary structure of brain processes implies that brain processes are not a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness, which existence implies the existence in us of an indivisible unphysical element, which is usually called soul or spirit (in my youtube channel you can find a video with more detailed explanations). I also argue that all emergent properties are subjective cognitive contructs that depend on the level of abstraction one chooses to analyze the system and are used to approximately describe underlying physical processes; these descriptions refer only to mind-dependent entities, and therefore consciousness, being implied by these cognitive contructs, cannot itself be an emergent property.
Preliminary considerations: the concept of set refers to something that has an intrinsically conceptual and subjective nature and implies the arbitrary choice of determining which elements are to be included in the set; what exists objectively are only the single elements. In fact, when we define a set, it is like drawing an imaginary line that separates some elements from all the other elements; obviously this imaginary line does not exist physically, independently of our mind, and therefore any set is just an abstract and subjective cognitive construct and not a physical entity and so are all its properties. Similar considerations can be made for a sequence of elementary processes; sequence is a subjective and abstract concept.
Mental experience is a precondition for the existence of subjectivity/arbitrariness and cognitive constructs, therefore mental experience cannot itself be a cognitive construct; obviously we can conceive the concept of consciousness, but the concept of consciousness is not actual consciousness.
(With the word consciousness I do not refer to self-awareness, but to the property of being conscious= having a mental experiences such as sensations, emotions, thoughts, memories and even dreams).
From the above considerations it follows that only indivisible elements may exist objectively and independently of consciousness, and consequently the only logically coherent and significant statement is that consciousness exists as a property of an indivisible element. Furthermore, this indivisible entity must interact globally with brain processes because we know that there is a correlation between brain processes and consciousness. This indivisible entity is not physical, since according to the laws of physics, there is no physical entity with such properties; therefore this indivisible entity can be identified with what is traditionally called soul or spirit. The soul is the missing element that interprets globally the distinct elementary physical processes occurring at separate points in the brain as a unified mental experience.
Some clarifications.
The brain doesn't objectively and physically exist as a mind-independent entity since we create the concept of the brain by separating an arbitrarily chosen group of quantum particles from everything else. This separation is not done on the basis of the laws of physics, but using addictional subjective criteria, independent of the laws of physics; actually there is a continuous exchange of molecules with the blood and when and how such molecules start and stop being part of the brain is decided arbitrarily. An example may clarify this point: the concept of nation. Nation is not a physical entity and does not refer to a mind-independent entity because it is just a set of arbitrarily chosen people. The same goes for the brain. Brain processes consist of many parallel sequences of ordinary elementary physical processes occurring at separate points. There is no direct connection between the separate points in the brain and such connections are just a subjective abstractions used to approximately describe sequences of many distinct physical processes. Indeed, considering consciousness as a property of an entire sequence of elementary processes implies the arbitrary definition of the entire sequence; the entire sequence as a whole (and therefore every function/property/capacity attributed to the brain) is a subjective abstraction that does not refer to any mind-independendent reality.
Physicalism/naturalism is based on the belief that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. However, an emergent property is defined as a property that is possessed by a set of elements that its individual components do not possess; my arguments prove that this definition implies that emergent properties are only subjective cognitive constructs and therefore, consciousness cannot be an emergent property.
Actually, all the alleged emergent properties are just simplified and approximate descriptions or subjective/arbitrary classifications of underlying physical processes or properties, which are described directly by the fundamental laws of physics alone, without involving any emergent properties (arbitrariness/subjectivity is involved when more than one option is possible; in this case, more than one possible description). An approximate description is only an abstract idea, and no actual entity exists per se corresponding to that approximate description, simply because an actual entity is exactly what it is and not an approximation of itself. What physically exists are the underlying physical processes. Emergence is nothing more than a cognitive construct that is applied to physical phenomena, and cognition itself can only come from a mind; thus emergence can never explain mental experience as, by itself, it implies mental experience.
My approach is scientific and is based on our scientific knowledge of the physical processes that occur in the brain; my arguments prove that the very foundations of our scientific knowledge excludes the possibility that the physical processes that occur in the brain could be a sufficient condition for the existence of consciousness.
Marco Biagini
This is very interesting and many parts went over my head, but let’s meet in the next phase of life and talk about how your views have changed since this post 😄
Thank you
Shut up nerd
My mind was lost to the universe long ago lol !
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on consciousness and the brain. While your argument raises some interesting philosophical points, there are several issues with your reasoning that I'd like to address:
1. Your definition of consciousness conflates different aspects (phenomenal and access consciousness) that philosophers and neuroscientists often distinguish. This leads to some confused conclusions.
2. Your characterization of emergent properties as purely subjective constructs misunderstands the concept of emergence in science. Many emergent phenomena are objectively real and not merely conceptual.
3. The argument about sets and physical reality commits a category error. Just because we can conceptualize something as a set doesn't negate its physical existence.
4. The claim that "only indivisible elements may exist objectively" contradicts our scientific understanding of complex systems and their properties.
5. You present a false dichotomy between physical and non-physical explanations of consciousness, ignoring potential future scientific explanations or more nuanced understandings.
6. There's a lack of distinction between awareness of mental phenomena and the phenomena themselves, which is crucial for understanding brain-consciousness relationships.
7. While you claim your approach is scientific, it relies more on conceptual analysis and philosophical assumptions rather than empirical evidence or testable hypotheses.
Your argument raises interesting questions, but it doesn't fully engage with current neuroscientific and philosophical understandings of consciousness. I'd encourage you to explore more recent work in these fields, which addresses many of these issues in more depth and nuance.
*As an advaitian this developments bring me joy that finally science is coming to the same conclusions which was said thousands of years of ago in the Vedas.*
True, many Scientists and silicon valley giants are followers of Advaita vedanta philosophy.
i love seing kastrup and faggin together, two legends!
Thank you all for bringing this into awareness. Clearly consciousness is manifesting briefly through what we call "life" and then reabsorbs into "no words only consciousness"... A Zen teacher that I studied with had said "human thinking always manifests the human world - "no" thinking manifests where everything is One.
I was sitting and doing nothing beside a tree yesterday, and the tree told me “isn’t it so nice to be me and always sit here and do nothing” .. it felt evolved, like what I aspired to be really.
To quote Bernardo himself: „Unfathomable change is on the horizon“
it was and always will be on the horizon :D doesn't mean we shouldn't move towards it though, even if it's an illusion
What are you trying to reveal?
@@Volhybo1t It's unfathamable and ineffable ;-)
@@gastronic I concur 😊😺🙏💛
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Since my childhood, I knew physics could be applied into philosophy and human-life-related phenomena. It is a treasure for us that there are people like Federico Faggin who dived deep in these topics rather than being mere scientist with and provide us with invaluable insights about the main questions of life!
I have had 5 out of body experiences, 4 were from a sober state. Each one was more real than my everyday reality, and I have memory of every single second of every single detail, nowhere in my life do I have memories as crystal clear as my out of body experiences. Just the sheer clarity of my memory of those experiences proves to me that life expands outside of the physical vibration speed of this dimension. Our consciousness/soul/spirit/quantum mind exists inside and outside of the body. This individual mind makes up one large individual mind.
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This resonates with every cell in my body and what I have been thinking and feeling since I was born but was unable to support. Very very happy to hear that I am not crazy if that makes sense. It's a relief somehow.
it s so refreshing to see the jungian point of view of consciousness being revitalised in modern topics that gives us a better understaning of it know in the age of quantum mechanics, he was so ahead of his time indeed, also thank you for the video.
I'm overjoyed to see someone mentioning Jung. It was Jung and his teachings that introduced me to the depths of our being. While listening I constantly thought of Jung and his model of the psyche. Especially when Faggin referred to 'totality'. Obviously his model is correct.
I have a degree in counseling and was close to a PhD in psychology in the 2000s. I hated Jung. Twenty years later I realized why- I was not ready to understand him. Its time now.
Like a long awaited rain in a dessert this video brought me back to reality of life! Marvellous, thank you so much for introducing Federico's work for the masses!
There are numerous studies that show that our consciousness perceives what is going to happen 6 seconds in the future. This aligns with experimental evidence regarding quantum superposition in microtubule arrays which allow faster than light - essentially reversing time - and permitting “real time” instantaneous conscious perceptions. When we also are able to demonstrate our reality is created (co-created as a larger group of consciousnesses) by our own conscious projections as perceptions, preconceived ideas, and historical understanding / emotions) we begin to move toward a working model within a new discipline: the science of consciousness
What studies?
We are waiting for a link for atleast one of those "numerous studies"
@Federico Faggin 54:27 I would have answered:
The breakthrough is inscribed from the tools we use everyday; languages (either spoken, written and ‘computed’) and mathematics… All the way to everything really, as the theory is self-proving, it can be applied (or should I say superposed? I think it is more accurate that way 🤣) to philosophy and to resignificate/reconstruct our perception of reality (physics, chemistry, biology; life… and also all the way to psychology and such sciences which try to answer how, why, when, where and what is actually going on).
The breakthrough itself is: us having an axiom-/tool-/theory (thus having the cognizance basis) which could potentially indicate us ways to improve the form of how we do everything; from communication, bonding, living; improving deep into our thinking, thus transliterating into feelings bringing the significance of emotions to life so we can conceive existing in a better self by not only being, but for sharing the reap of what we’ve sown through our selves lives. Thou art love, free thyselves.
P.S.: Sorry about them semantics or misuse of any word/s (as of English not being my native language)
P.S.2: it’s almost 8am in here, so good morning! And in case I don’t see you… Good afternoon, good evening and good night! ;3 (I have to take out the trash now haha)
Btw, in case he actually reads this… Have you considered time crystals for quantum computation/computing? Also what are your postures towards materials that we should be using for this matters?
In this age of computation, consciousness non computability become more important, Congratulations for important interview.
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Life is the universe's way of knowing itself.
Good one, But I'd say not only "life", but "matter". Actually, "life" is, let's say, an advanced form of "matter"
One can only "know" something if it is separate from that which is to be known. "To be" there is no dualism. So yes, dualistic realities are attempts at knowing.
SCSPL 🤓
I know myself, I dont know universe, but we have an easy word for it as a whole, if its possible, than the language and the universe its just complexity difference.
Why go though all that trouble?
Will get his book as soon as it's on audible. Very good.
Beautifuly said at the end.
This theory is not about creating new, better technology, but about evolving humans beyond that primitive materialistic mindset of "fight or flight", "survival of the fittest", "free market", and other materialistic dogmas that were imposed on us through conditioning called "educational system", for the benefit of the few.
Implications of this theory are that we are all connected more than we can perceive through analytical mind, and that we must start looking at each other as a part of one.
Also, what's not mentioned here, but is implied down the road, it's about switching focus solely from the mind, also to the heart. Of course, that brings a totally new worldview that is in stark contradiction with a LOT of systems nowadays, therefore they will fight to discredit this theory and evolution of consciousness in general.
But, the thing is, one who truly understands the implications, will realize the true meaning of free will, and therefore will simply choose the other way, and leave all the fights behind.
Thank you Federico!
Swapping our perspective to view 0D as truly fundamental, rather than the higher 1D-4D dimensions we currently take as basic building blocks, could potentially resolve numerous long-standing contradictions and paradoxes across logic, mathematics and physics. Here are some of the key issues that a "0D is fundamental" viewpoint may shed new light on:
1. The Continuum Hypothesis and Set Theory Paradoxes:
Treating points (0D) as the fundamental entities, rather than deriving them from sets/continuums of higher dimensions, could resolve paradoxes around infinity, self-reference, and the problematic concept of completed infinite sets in set theory.
2. Zeno's Paradoxes of Motion:
The paradoxes surrounding infinitely dividing space and time may dissolve if 0D points are seen as more real and fundamental than the derived concept of extension through higher dimensions.
3. Singularity Problems in General Relativity:
The bizarre infinities and paradoxes surrounding gravitational singularities could be avoided if 4D spacetime is not fundamental, but emerges from a more primitive 0D theory of quantum gravity.
4. The Measurement Problem in Quantum Mechanics:
The paradoxes around wavefunction collapse may result from trying to fit inherently 0D quantum processes into a higher 3D spatial manifold. A 0D quantum gravity basis could resolve this.
5. Non-Locality and Bell's Inequality Paradox:
Entanglement and non-local correlations violating Bell's inequality seem paradoxical from a 3D perspective, but a fundamentally 0D underpinning could naturally allow such phenomena.
6. The Substantive Reality of Space and Time:
The paradoxical nature of space and time as seemingly real yet dynamical players in physics could be resolved if they are not primordial substances but derivative from an essence of 0D events.
If 1D-4D manifolds are not locally real in some sense that alone may force us to recognize a more primitive 0D reality as the true locus of beables and local verities in our cosmic model. A daring shift to 0D fundamentality could echo past revolutions like the atomic model or quantum theory itself in resolving deeply ingrained paradoxes. It's a profound concept well worth exploring rigorously by physicists and logicians.
You are beyond my understanding 😅
@priyakulkarni9583 I think he's trying to say that it might rain tomorrow, or it might not. Rain might not even exist if no one is present to observe it. I could be wrong, though.
Why do you steal other person's ideas and write them as if they were your occurrences?
@@zarnabsajjil2139 .
I think it's a mirror universe with 0D subatomic stuff at the center. This side is contingent and less real and the other side is necessary and more real. On this side only 0D subatomic stuff is necessary and more real since 0D is non-natural in that it has no spatial (1D, 2D, 3D) or temporal (4D) extension.
1D-4D natural dimensions can all be divided further (divisible) so they're not locally real or less real but 0D non-natural dimension cannot be divided further (indivisible) so is locally real or more real.
If 0 = 0 + 0i then 0D = 0D + 0Di.
This video should have gone viral in India.. all the ancient indian texts have been saying the same thing but for the first time we have someone who has connected physics with this theory.. mandukya upanishad has been saying this all along... THIS NEEDS MORE VIEWS
Swami Sarvapriyananda will love this one!
54:23 what an answer!
Liked him saying it will help know yourself better... leads to better people...to realise who we are....co operate instead of competing the end of the interview.....
Amazing, im excited at the trajectory of these discussions.
The argument around these things will never end, because consciousness is never going to be "reducible" to what people will think of as "acceptable scientific concepts." In the end, it's a kind of magic, and I think it will remain forever irreducible. It's a gift reality gives us, and we can enjoy it and revel in it. But it will never lay all of its secrets bare.
“There are more things in heaven and earth than our dreamt of in your philosophy, Horatio”. I believe is the quote Federico was trying to remember! Love that quote.
Amazing to have drawn these two great minds together
I love this man and I cherish these discussions as well as this presentation. I spent my intellectual life as a materialist - with all the questions being surrendered to “rationalism” and then I stumbled upon Kastrup.
Thank you!
I usually am hard to impress when it comes to consciousness and any attempts at describing, but theres something about the way federico explains it that i really enjoy.
May I ask why you are hard too impress with regards too consciousness...thanks 👍
TY Frederico for sharing the conversation. Hanse, I bet you've had some really cool jazzy convos. Thanks for sharing this.
Right. Richard Feyman had said" I can safely say that no one can understand quantum physics " . . I am very much appreciated for all scientists are working hard to find out the solution. I am strongly believe in what Buddha had told us the truth about 3000 years ago. Why not spend some time to study Sharma.
*Dharma
Sharma is a surname in India 😂
My firsts cpus were made by this guy, among others, 8086 and z80. Its quite exciting seeing him talking about conscience. Really, we grew used to technology and determinism, fearing things apart that. However, quantum technology today isn't efficient like the one found in plants, so if nature did that for plants, ...
I've just ordered it on amazon. Looking forward to reading it!!!
He nailed it.....I now can figure out symbols and our inter connectedness...❤
Yes , the Vegas have told us about this but, it was in a language that not many knew.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart❤❤❤❤❤
I'm a software engineer and I have always considered my profession as ludicrous because of the fact that what we "produce" ultimately does not exist. If we reduce my profession to its most basic form we can say that we are simply rearranging bits of "ones" (1) and "zeroes" (0) on a quantum system which we call "computers." I say that the"software" do not exist on their own because their existence ultimately depends on the "user." In other words, the meaning of that software derives from the user. The arrangement of 1s and 0s can mean differently to a different conscious user say for example that that user uses a different "computer", different from our classical computer, to interpret the 1s and 0s. Or if it does not usee anything at all it may be meaningless - though the absence of meaning is still meaning! So... is this the same to the reality around us? A car is a car because it is simply is a car to us? What is a car really? The car is not a car without the road because the car won't move without it. A car is not a car without the air because it will not combust. So is the atmosphere part of the car? What is the boundary of the concept we call "car." If we go on and on we can deduce that the whole universe is a car, which is absurd! I think I can conclude that this ultimately applies to reality. Is "reality" reality for us because this is how we mean reality is??? Matter appears as matter to us because for us this is how matter means? But the ultimate question is - where does these meanings come from??? Who or what gives us these template of meanings?
What you are describing is what is called within Buddhism the relative truth, and it is as you said, nothing other than an agreed upon convention among perceivers. Different perceivers, for example, ants as compared to humans, will have different conventions (whether implicit or explicit) and perceive a different world. In this sense there is no one world. Nor are there many. The truth is not limited by such ideas
Reality itself is described as the union of this conventional or relative truth and the absolute truth of emptiness, which IS this very nature of the relative truth, that it has no fundamental ground. All truths that we can describe in words or contemplate are relative truths, specific to times and places. Not ultimate. The ultimate truth is the fact that this is the case. But one must distinguish this from the postmodern idea that "everything is relative", because what's presented in Buddhism is the _union_ of that relative and the ultimate. It's difficult to describe how, but this puts constraints on the truth. Not anything goes, and it cannot be solidified as a doctrine.
The question of where it comes from and why is a question that can be answered from certain perspectives, so this is also a relative truth. This makes for a very open and fascinating universe.
Great work ! Two of my greatest heroes on one table.
With regards to coveying our conscious feeling in our limited vocabulary; the ancient greeks had a much richer language with considerably more words plus the ability to include more feeling and also numerical values.
Because they (in general the ancient humans) were more connected to our inner world, to our consciousness, so its reality was wider; they needed that vocabulary because they had to allocate symbols (words) to those experiences (now put aside by many of us). It's like the colours, we don't have names for radiations outside the visible range, not because the don't exist, simply because we cannot perceive them.
Absolutely brilliant. His postulate on the 1 & knowing oneself, recognising the difference between consciousness & symbolic reality is something I have been questioning in my mind for a while, he annunciated it more clearly for me, thank you Federico & thank you for sharing this
All of you need to read Jacobo Grinberg's Syntergy Theory. The Matrix/Latice/Universe/Source is an infinite space of energy and reality/experience is the result of a mutual interaction between this continuous informational field and the Atenna/Councious being. The common human can only perceive a part of this field. This is easily proven by the fact that the human perception (visual, auditory, tactile, sent, etc) is diferent from other living beings, interacting with the same energy field. Furthermore, there is no such thing as empy space, there is only lack of perception (let that sink in!)
Good point
what a great insight that can only lead to the real truth about who we are. because whoever says he knows who he is does not go further than naming labels.
We need more such scientists and researchers who primarily deal with left-brain stuff combine their right-brain experiences to come to conclusions made by integrating the two perspectives.
It takes courage to speak the truth and love in the heart to be someone like this.
Immense love and respect to you.
Someone else who has gone further than just about anyone in trying to understand the true nature of consciousness and has published his own Theory of Everything, is Tom Campbell. He had a long career as a scientist and nuclear physicist for NASA and the DoD.
@@Jwareness I know about him. Such a humble and intelligent guy 😃
No. What you describe is wishful thinking.
@@iguessjohn If that's how you see it, so be it.
I truly felt what I wrote. Even intellectuals can be beautiful people (not just 'nerds')- especially when they use reason to stabilize their reactive emotions and still experience fully, the beautiful emotions.
And it's not like such people don't exist (to make this wishful thinking). They already do, and I have come across many of them. So their numbers increasing is not very difficult. I have immense love and respect for them.
And I respect them not due to their credentials, but due to awe of what they do to bring a better understanding of the human experience.
This must be the most profound pointer for our times. The Dalai Lama will be on the edge of his meditation cushion. Thank you Federico! Sincerely.
This is so profound! OMG I saved this one to my folder to share with a ton of my friends and associates! Priceless! I'm ordering several copies of his book and a Kindle version also!! ❤️🙏😃
I listen to Nisargadatta Maharaj every morning " You may die a hundred deaths without a break in the mental turmoil. Or, you may keep your body and die only in the mind. The death of the mind is the birth of wisdom. Whatever happens, happens to you by you, through you; you are the creator, enjoyer and destroyer of all you perceive." Bless you
Thank very much, thank you also for Turkish subtitle,,,🙏🌹❤️
I really love that someone of us humans has the beutyfull idea to express the One Truth that we are more than material biotecnologie but the Essence of a magnificent Being (the Creator) Who has divided It self for getting to experience what and Who he is❤
Such a discorse never touch the scientist minds becouse we struggle with deviding instead to see holistic approce 🎉
31:49 I’m confused as to what his response would be to - when we have our brains scanned, we can see activity aka neurons firing off in the lateral orbitofrontal, amygdala, etc., which directly correlate to emotion. I don’t see how that is anything different than a computer, other than our processing would be much more advanced than any computer. We have a part of our brain, or all of our brain that are individually by section tasked with pattern recognition, and at most i would assume we have types of patterns that are recognized based on whichever section is active in our brain activity.
I’m truly confused. To me it seems as if he is saying that we can’t measure or see feeling, when, to my understanding, we can literally see brain activity from the parts of our brain responsible for that.
I’m very confused someone please help me understand what I’m missing. I’m sure it’s a lot, but I still believe all of this important to address. Thank you.
32:32 qualia seems like the answer to this; but it lays on two premises:
1) that that statement that we run on qualia is accurate. Which lets say it is for this next premise
2) that we cant product that with a computer, but, we can produce quantum states inside computers for short times, and the limit is the advancement of our technology but we see a steady progress over time to where i dont see how eventually we couldnt replicate a large volume of qualia in a quantum computer?
The feed back of information from our senses(nerve endings )or even our thoughts need a processor to regulate the body in order for the body to cope with, regulate,respond, etc., the mystery is how does the thing we call the person experience a shared quality of those processes…a computer does a good job of processing the data being received, but had no capacity to feel the emotion or experience from the data. Think feeling, ask the question of how to make a memory chip or processor feel something.
It can describe but cannot feel
@@lureup9973 i believe i addressed this in my statements above by pointing out the part of our brain responsible for emotion/feeling is arguably another type of pattern recognition that can be replicated in quantum computing, if we imagine the different parts of our brain as specialized units of pattern recognition for different types of pattern of stimuli based on neuron activity
@@bobthebuilder9416 pattern recognition is exactly what any processor shines at… if you can break it down for me please explain how those patterns create an experience like the experience of joy
@@lureup9973 by joy theres a few different things u could be reffering 2 as words are only symbols people use to communicate the thing, and dont actually represent necesarily what we are reffering to.
As such, ill use something i think of when i hear joy.
Maslows hierarchy of needs.
To me, this would be high neuron activity in the lateral orbitofrontal, mild activity from amygdala found when seratonin is released from being around our mates.
The lateral orbitofrontal is the social part of our brain.
As such, if both the social part of our brain feels fufillment, as well as the soul-mate, love part of our brain is fufilled, that would be just high electricity flowing through neurons activity on a brain scan.
This is assuming we have proper sleep and food and low stress to quiet out the negative parts of the amygdala.
Next we have the neurotransmitter dopamine and the NT saratonin that i mentioned earlier.
Assuming all of these things were in place, this would represent a positive “feeling” on a brain scan.
And a pattern of different neurotransmitters through different parts of the brain, from what i understand, would be very similar, and even possibly replicated, from a quantum computer
Brilliant 🎉 so wonderful to hear someone with academic education bring it all together - it's as though ancient traditions meet modern quantum physics meets Wisdom & Insight 🎉 brilliant 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
The interest in consciousness seems to be increasing.
wonder why... lol
Only to those who care to acknowledge it's existence
The closing remark of getting to know each other and cooperate is so similqr to the verse of the Quran that says as translated "oh humanity we have created you from male and female and turned you into nations and tribe to get to know each other. Verily the most noble of you in Allahs sight is he who is most conscious"..wow
Beautiful! Thank you very much.
When I was a teenager, I designed my own computers with the Z80 microprocessor that Federico invented. Now regarding consciousness, I feel he has some genius ideas and insights, but also a few misconceptions. I'd love to see what happens, when we bring together Federico with Rupert Spira.
The CPU is the most awesome invention the world has ever seen. It's the best toy man has ever created :)
1:00 "Consciousness is a quantum field. The body is a structure in space and time that is quantum and classical." 1:58 "One wants to know Itself. So we are fields created by one, to know Itself." The easy way to know oneself: Sing *HU* daily to safely alter personal frequencies. Search how to sing *HU* . "If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibrations."- Nikola Tesla.
As a xhild i atraggled to understanding the question that kept emerging in my mind. The question was "who doesnt exist?".
Interestingly, as a youngster, I was perplexed by the proposition that "nothing does not exist", which is, curiously, a direct answer to YOUR question! I think that's a little weird. 🤗
2:00 This is classical Advaita Vedanta. Brahman manifests itself as Maya to experience itself in Names and Forms using Our bodies and Minds.
I hope everyone listening has at least ONE friend they can talk to about this, otherwise, I think they'd go nuts, LOL I've got that ONE person!
Respect totally,
From a Moslem friend !
If consciousness is a quantum field, then one should be able to add the field to the Lagrangian that couples with matter and boson fields and make an observable prediction. What is the symmetry group of this field?
It starts with a question - seek and you willl find.
with which matter?
@@tubal1 deleted the word "that" from my comment, just a typo. Should couple with the EM field because we can sense things (Coulomb force) and see light. Probably should not couple with fields like the Higgs or quark/nuclear fields since our consciousness does not see or feel that.
@@Greg-xs5py But I sill don't see how you could make an observable prediction. We can't even predict the behaviour of one single wave-particle,.... Imagine predicting the behaviour of a coherent or even incoherent quantum system which is, more or less, what Faggini says consciousness is. Precisely, that impossibility of determining the behaviour of quantum systems is what would "prove" the existence of free will.
@@tubal1 First I never said it would work. What I said is that if it is a quantum field, like the Higgs Boson or EM field, then you can make predictions about the behavior of interactions by computing scattering amplitudes. This is determined by the system Lagrangian and is what particle accelerators test. I mean, maybe it could be a QF and not be testable, but if it is a QF then someone should think about what the properties of the field are. That’s what is done for all the other quantum fields. If that can’t be done for consciousness then it is probably not a quantum field.
This account is very close to the Theravada Abidharma descriptions of what reality is. The base implication of this and the hardest thing to swallow will be that matter itself is felt, observed, touched through our own mind which is just quantum fields experiencing other quantum fields, hence the material correlations of the brain neuroscientists lock on to. In essence though, matter is an illusion, the ultimate reality of matter and mind are that they are the same. There is everything and nothing at the same time, is one way to describe it. It’s absolutely bonkers to think about. This entire experience all conscious living beings have is hands down the most bizarre thing ever and it’s happening every single moment. Isn’t that amazing in a way? It also opens up more questions, which may never be answered.
from symbols to meaning and vice versa. I Ching guide to transformation
This is the best explanation I know of, missing is the unknown unseen connections between individuals with consciousness.
Bernardo is morphing into a young Carl Jung. Does anyone else see the similarity?
@@charlesp7504 My question was is Bernardo morphing into a young Carl Jung. I never asked if anyone was a fan.
The fact that you put that clown in the same sentence as Carl Jung is an insult to intelligence itself. That's like comparing Neil DeGrasse Tyson to Carl Sagan, or Duncan Trussel to Terence McKenna. Nowhere near the same league.
Wow our planet’s energetic shift is finally materialising. The consciousness community was ridiculed and often labelled “Conspiracy theorists”. I’m truly grateful to be alive witnessing the mass awakening 🥳👏🏾
Materialism is the real conspiracy theory..
i mean....a computer is a computer based on its hard drive/programs and content.
The power that powers it is electricity.
Same with us. our brains and personality are the CPu and chi/energy is the electricity powering us.
But still.....does that mean that theres an afterlife?? no. just anawareenss that the electricity is eternal....but other than that....our CPU is not.
so what does it matter?
Its like a computer saying to you it will exist forever insinde the power grid. (you know it wont....everything that made it IT will be gone).
Interesting analogy, but everything that made it IT won't be gone. My correction would be:
CPU = the body/mind
Electricity = Chi, Energy
BUT consciousness would equal the "cloud/internet."
The contents of our lives automatically uploaded to the cloud for others to tap into and learn from. The cloud acts as universal consciousness, containing all the information about the CPU's activities. Other CPUs still able to communicate and learn from the experiences of CPUs which have lost power. Parts of previous (and future) CPUs able to be downloaded and reanimated. Memory card = DNA that is copied and evolves from generation to generation.
The heat of our computer body still radiating for a certain period of time after we are shut off. Our imprints left in the rugs of this dimension. Our gold, plastics and precious bits recycled for future use.
Except that there are experiences lived by people which are against that. It's not people just saying: "I'll exist forever". If you exclude these specific experiences, then you are being unscientific because you are chosing only those ones that accommodate your hypothesis, not those that are against them. A scientific rational mind would choose all the experiences (experiments in science) and try to ellaborate a theory which fits for all of them. The truth is always a combination of all points of view.
timestamp 35:59:00 consciousness is the one that controls the body like a 'drone' (data scout i.e. semi-autonomous) & the 'drone operator' as the quantum field - i wonder if this correlates w/ the epigenetics phenomenon (see Bruce Lipton's [2016], "Biology of Belief") or Sheldrake's (2009), Morphic Resonance?
While I'm sure Federico is a good person with honest intentions, I don't think he's telling us anything knew or groundbreaking.
In fact, he's saying many things and not saying much at all.
Most of what he's says we already know.
What he's telling us doesn't make any new predictions about consciousness or tell us what is it.
I saw a video where he spoke about the smell of a rose and asked, "Where is that smell in our minds that we know we smell and is distinct to that of a rose ? "
I am, of course, paraphrasing but that gives you some idea.
Something like a smell or that feeling that I am an ' I ', an individual that isn't you, also comes from chemical interactions.
Those also play an important role in our experiences of the world.
They are responsible not only for many other functions of the body but also for how the mind works as well as the experiences of " Feelings "
We already know that things are made of atoms and particles, we already know about entanglement and that perhaps it has something to do with some interactions of neurons within the brain but still tells us little or anything new about consciousness.
It seems people often try to find it as if it's a specific thing within the mind, in a specific place, and while I do think consciousness is part of the brain/ mind, it isn't just one thing alone in one place, it's many things going on within that brain that gives us the experience of being an ' I ' and not you, a being who sees and can observe the world around them as they do.
I think perhaps he is saying the brain / mind is part of consciousness, this is (you are right) not new or unknown, it is however not excepted as fundamental by many in the mathematical or the scientific communities. What you smell, when you smell a rose may be very different from what I smell, or what a bee might experience at the very same rose, or indeed how all this smelling affects the rose. Only the one consciousness knows what we collectively experience and feel, and all because consciousness wishes to know itself in every way possible, every way imaginable and as of yet unimagined or not yet experienced. This “I” you know to be you is you, but fundamentally you, every cell, atom, bacteria, virus in you at this moment is consciousness, but you only know and experience the “I”. Consciousness knows it all, and wants to know more.
This is exactly the conclusion I came to independently after understanding I don't imagine with imagery (Aphantasia). It's actually insane how I predicted, before even clicking on this video, that it would be my exact theory's conclusion but drawn from an actual professional in the field that covers the harder conceptual blindspots. This is why we don't understand intuitively the complex systems outside of our own selves...And aphantasia, along with other sensory related disparities expressed in the modern human are perfect viewports for other intellectuals and scholars of nature to draw from, a rich contrast between their own conscious experience...in order to gain clarity and a tightening of the focus around the Quantum / Macro interrelationships.
Interrelationships that have eluded us for as long as modern consciousness related fields of study can remember.
Essentially, we, all of us, all brain types, can cooperatively exchange perspectives of perception in order to propel ourselves off of this planet and out into our destinies. Just think what we could do if we put our bullshit aside and just worked together on our collective trailblaze into the stars.
Lets finally try to live long and prosper 🖖
Many, many people are not going to buy this. It's not "rigorous" enough - doesn't "boil down to math" enough. To me it seems entirely completely right. But I suspect there's going to be a segment of people who will just never go there, and further, will never regard these ideas as anything other than fluff. It's sad. Everything - all the hard questions - just dissolve if you take consciousness as fundamental. Fine tuning problem? Gone. Melts away. Etc.
do you know what quantum mechanics is..?
Timestamp 49:00 "quantifying" the invisible & timestamp 52:43 "pre-modern intuitions", highly recommend for the convenor to take Psilocybin or read Iain McGilchrist's (2009) "Master and His Emissary" to tap into the right-brain hemisphere = quantum realm, that way you'll be able to follow Mr. Faggin's logic.
Proof? Everybody and their nephews are seemingly coming out with new theories. We need to start demanding more proofs or experiments or something...
True but like Bernado is saying, formulating the right question or hypothesis is even more challenging than later seeking proof. For example Einstein, derived his theories of relativity and special relativity from thought experiments and from there emerged hypothesis which could only be falsifiably tested through the scientific method and this happened much later. For example, atomic clocks were used relatively recently to test time dilation in supported of his theory of general relativity. I think we are at an exciting point in history where we are getting ever closer to a much more deeper understanding of the universe and ourselves. I see a converges in the perspectives of Bernardo, Faggin, Nobel, Hoffman and Nema that there is something much more fundamental than the space-time.
@@rachmondhoward2125man this is just as crazy as when humans discovered the world of micro organisms I bet lol
How can you prove something fundamental with non fundamental tools? How can we really prove what's really going on in a black hole or before the Big Bang? Science has limits
Here is the proof - your own experience. That is the only proof and the only truth. Here is a way to prove consciousness is fundamental for yourself - consider - can you have experience without matter? Yes - dreaming experience, deep sleep experience are experiences with no matter. Can you have matter without experience? No, once there is no experience there is no matter. Therefore, matter arises out of experience, not the other way around.
@@colinmccowan9056 > Can you have matter without experience? No
Um yes you can. You're saying matter doesn't exist if no one's looking?
You don't experience your brain cells. Do those not exist then?
You're basically a virtual-reality believer then I guess (like Elon Musk).
This theory is entirely inline with my own personal views and experiences, the presentation was very emotive for myself and I assume others, I appreciate the insight. I look forward to reading the book when I have the means to get a copy. Thank you.
🎯 Key points for quick navigation:
00:02 *🌹 Consciousness is more than physical processes; scent of a rose cannot be just electrical signals in the brain.*
00:35 *🌌 Consciousness and quantum physics: physicists and neuroscientists struggle because they lack knowledge of each other's fields.*
01:07 *🌐 The body is a bridge between quantum consciousness and classical physical reality.*
02:15 *📖 Federico Faggin has written a book on consciousness, integrating his pioneering work in technology.*
03:47 *🧠 Consciousness and free will exist beyond the space-time reality where our bodies are.*
04:49 *🔍 Federico Faggin offers a satisfying account of the classical-quantum dichotomy, bridging the two worlds.*
05:49 *🧬 Quantum states are experiential states; classical world is their external observation.*
07:18 *📚 Physical reality is like a book written by pure consciousness; symbols derive from meaning.*
08:21 *🔍 New perspective on quantum mechanics' measurement problem through consciousness framework.*
09:51 *🔄 Decision of consciousness is the "collapse" in quantum mechanics, connecting meaning and symbols.*
10:51 *💡 Finding the right way to think about consciousness is the key challenge; solving problems follows.*
12:19 *🛠️ Federico's innovative thinking in technology applies to his approach to consciousness.*
14:49 *🧠 Early pioneers of computing recognized the philosophical implications of creating artificial intelligence.*
17:24 *🧠 Founding fathers of quantum mechanics pondered the relationship between consciousness and reality.*
18:59 *📘 "Irreducible Consciousness" explores the intersection of life, computers, and human nature.*
21:33 *💻 Federico realized that computers cannot be conscious, distinguishing intelligence from consciousness.*
25:04 *🤔 Consciousness involves knowing through sensations and feelings, beyond just electrical signals.*
27:12 *🔄 Mistaking artificial intelligence for true intelligence is projecting human properties onto computers.*
27:42 *🤔 Distinguishes between human feelings and computer imitations.*
29:40 *🔒 Consciousness is a private experience that cannot be fully shared.*
30:43 *🚫 Quantum states and consciousness cannot be copied or fully measured.*
34:15 *🧠 Consciousness controls the body, akin to a pilot controlling a drone.*
35:53 *💡 Consciousness is a quantum field, interacting with classical space-time through the body.*
37:25 *🔄 Consciousness and free will are fundamental postulates, self-evident truths.*
38:55 *🧩 The quantum state and consciousness share non-algorithmic properties.*
42:33 *❓ Emotions are a product of consciousness, which computers lack.*
44:08 *💭 Near-death experiences suggest consciousness exists independently of brain activity.*
50:40 *🌌 The universe, like humans, has an intrinsic desire to know itself.*
53:09 *🧬 The theory postulates consciousness and free will as starting points of reality.*
54:40 *🌍 Cooperation, rather than competition, is essential for a better planet.*
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