I hate how, if they had kept Ryan in up to this episode, he could've made a call of duty joke about how they were all respawning and it would have been his most well characterised moment ever
I laughed at this because it's sadly so true. I liked Ryan, I just wanted character development for him and Orphan 55 was the PERFECT OPPORTUNITY for it! And I'm still mad that didn't happen.
For me the thing I cannot get over is when the doctor literally asks the daleks 'why are you killing these people?' like.... doctor... have you met the daleks?
Daleks missing in certain circumstances should be fine but in this case they're in narrow hallways and now equipped with rapid fire laser blasters which mean it should be effectively impossible at a certain range for them to miss.
At this point, if Chibnall era characters were written well it would be character assassination as that would be less consistent than what we’ve had for 3 series.
1:11:56 Remember when the episode "Dalek" showed that the dalek's midsection could rotate to let it shoot in different directions? Chris Chibnall doesn't.
Chris Chibnall also doesn't remember that Daleks know what lifts are. They had them in their cities on Skaro. THEY USE THE WORD LIFT IN EVOLUTION OF THE DALEKS.
16:05 another solution to that problem is to have the heroes escape in a way that creates a new obstacle. Like in World War Three when the Doctor escapes the Slitheen but in doing so gets trapped in the cabinet room, or in Smith & Jones when he stops the Slab but in doing so breaks the sonic screwdriver
The history of the Dalek props in Nu-Who is becoming very strange and interesting to me. Pre-Chibnall, there were known to be eleven (I think) bronze Daleks. By the time of Revolution, I think only five remained (including the one built for Dalek which lives at BBC Birmingham). The others have either been destroyed, auctioned or modified (e.g. Rusty). Of the five in Revolution, only three were actually built for TV (they’re originally from Asylum of the Daleks and were the resident Daleks at the DW Experience). The other two are actually touring models from the Symphonic Spectacular show which might explain why some of the Chibnall models look a bit shoddier than the previous two eras. Quite why the Birmingham Dalek and BBC Salford Dalek (which was built for The Stolen Earth) were not called in instead is unknown.
The bronze Daleks used in the Chibnall era are all built to the same specifications as the original bronze Dalek props. These props were made by This Planet Earth, who had previously supplied props for Asylum of the Daleks and The Magician's Apprentice/The Witches Familiar
the funniest part of this episode to me is that as far as I can tell they gave the daleks gatling guns purely to facilitate another scene where they use the "just duck under the bullets" solution that was already bad enough when they did it once with the sniper bots with ryan and graham
I'd love if the first life was drawn out much longer and it wasn't known there was a time loop, everyone's deaths are more drawn out and tragic/sudden and the doctor gets really vengeful but gets killed, then there's the few too many seconds of blank screen before the 2nd life starts
With regards to your last point (before the Wallace and Gromit one), I totally agree. I think that's where Chibnall is failing. He's an ideas guy, but the way the episodes are written, how they're paced, the dialogue, all of it feels like it was written by someone who doesn't know how to write an episode of a TV show. You can notice a really difference in the 3 eras of the revived show. RTD had pretty safe ideas, but executed them almost flawlessly. Moffat had some pretty out-there ideas and... mostly executed them well, sometimes not so much. Chibnall has had a good mixture of basic ideas and very outlandish ideas and just doesn't pull either of them off well.
Here's my problem with Thasmin, it's insanely toxic, the Doctor is so secretive and manipulative to Yaz. Yaz has been kept in the dark so much that she literally doesn't know why Flux even happened in the first place because she doesn't know about the Timeless Child stuff or the Division or the Doctor's secret backstory so for her Flux was just some weird cosmic thing that just kind of happened for no reason. But despite all of that the Doctor just expects Yaz to trust her even though the Doctor clearly doesn't trust Yaz. Oh and there was no real build up to it and it's way too late in this era to be exploring Yaz and the Doctor's relationship, we only have like two specials left before we have a new Doctor and Tardis crew.
The amount of times I’ve said there was no build up to be told repeatedly ‘there was build up, it was just subtle and you were too stupid to notice’. It’s incredible how toxic the fandom are when valid criticism is thrown into discussion.
It's always frustrating as a Doctor Who fan when you realise what the writers SHOULD have done. I just had one of those moments, and it involves Thasmin of all things. So, rather than having Dan hamfistedly reveal it to both characters (but really the audience) they should have done it with the Doctor regenerating *in* the time loop by surviving a glancing shot (albeit with fatal injuries like in _Stolen Earth)_ then have the new Doctor fight the Daleks and die heroically, but revert to Thirteen when the loop resets. The best part is that they don't even need to use the same actor for the actual 14th Doctor. You can have Thirteen explain how this works at the end of the episode, since it sets her up very well to broach the subject of her eventual death. But most importantly, it sets up Yaz to tell the Doctor how, even after staring her own death in the face, watching the Doctor regenerate was worse than that, and how "the worst thing of all was that I didn't get to tell you goodbye." The Doctor tries to brush it off with "I'll still be me, won't I? Even after I regenerate." ...prompting Yaz to say that no, she has fallen in love with _this particular version_ of the Doctor (and it would be especially pertinent if the 14th Doctor cameo had been a man). And perhaps Yaz accidentally uses the word "love" in relation to Thirteen, tries to downplay it, only for the Doctor to see through it and either let her down gently or at least try to reciprocate the attraction. Heck, if it were written at least somewhat competently, I'd have to admit even *I* might ship it after watching a scene like that.
39:10 I like how Stu says "They wouldn't go that far" (having a character who has experienced death say that there is no afterlife, when you're dead, you're dead, that's it) Except they have. Repeatedly. Torchwood's first episode did, with the 'resurrection gauntlet' used on murder victims. It was even a plot point that those who died and were brought back were traumatized by this revelation. Sorry 'anyone who believes in a religion', Doctor Who says no.
I feel like thats more due to the nature of Torchwood as a spinoff show, allowing to dive into further topics with more grimness, mainline show probably wouldn't be able to do it, or do it more subtle if they wanted too, either way it would need to be handled with care.
Counterpoint: a lot of people who believe in an afterlife say that you don't get to go there until you're dead for real: if you're gonna get resurrected in the future you don't go to heaven yet. So technically it's a mystery, and also irrelevant.
Sure, if you ignore any other time that Doctor Who/Torchwood mentioned afterlives existing, then sure, Doctor Who totally told religious people that there's nothing after death.
one of the most offensive things about this episode in my opinion is how thasmin gets a grand total of ONE LINE where dan tells the doctor how yaz feels. this is the first time there's been any kind of character development in the entire chibnall era. the doctor thinks about it for a bit, then like clockwork in a chibnall story, character time is over, time for action
It's ironic that Doctor Who has been trying to compete with Star Wars ever since that movie came out, and now it's achieved it by having the Daleks be as shit at shooting as Stormtroopers.
Can I say as a new fan, I wish this second channel was more pronounced on your channel. Had no idea it existed until I stumbled on it trying to find this video in your playlists
That idea of the only the heroes remembering the time loop was executed decently in Edge of Tomorrow, where Tom Cruise’s character only manages to survive a battle by learning as much as he can over the course of several deaths. Maybe Eve could’ve started with the same setup but then something happens that causes the Daleks to start remembering the previous loops, raising the stakes.
I kept thinking the Daleks were the same dalek not dying but spawing twice in the next loop, so by the 6th loop there would of been 6 of the same darlek all confused.
I like that! In my head I wanted the time loop to be localised to the building meaning Mammy didn’t ring back at the same time again, meaning after a loop or two the gang notice that they can contact the people outside of the loop for help, meaning perhaps UNIT or the army turn up, or maybe they’d do a livestream until somebody else figures out a clever way to get them out, or something like that. I thought it’d be an interesting new twist on the Groundhog Day loop. Ah well.
Genuinely, if it weren't for the Dalek's _extreme case_ of Stormtrooper aim in the hallways (and Dan's absolute humiliation of that one dalek), i think I _would_ have LOVED this episode. Would've been one of the few Chibnall episodes I could say was aight.
Don't bother. RTD is as driven by the same bullshit social agenda as the prick Chibnall. At this point they should either let it die or sell it to someone who cares about it.
@@leipherd8118 Tbf, there's been a lot of rogue daleks in new who from what I remember, would be smart if the Daleks upgraded their weapons to take them out easily, because there's no way allied daleks would be stupid enough to accidentally shoot each other regularly, at least if they weren't being written to be brainless idiots in any given episode.
3:10 Apparently, Rule 32 was "You must have pictures to prove your statements". Basically "pics or it didn't happen". Photoshops weren't very good back then.
Human Nature/The Family of Blood is a brilliant story about how the doctor relates to the concept of romantic relationships. Full Fat Video’s video on this story explores this in great detail. Not only is the thasmin garbage at the end of this special insultingly and cheaply written by its own merits, but it spits in the face of what we learned about the doctor’s character in the 3rd series.
Tennant in general has some really great romantic moments over the years. Moffat learned he couldn't do it with Smith, and took the character in a different direction with Capaldi. Chibnall just wants to bait LGBT fans.
@@PlatinumAltaria he's spent three years using minority characters as human shields to avoid criticism of his crap writing, and now he wants to turbocharge that by saying two of them were actually gay all along. What a twat.
1:11:29 I want to imagine that the reason the Dalek is holding fire is because this appears to be the dumbest human they've ever met and it's gathering data to amend the file of human intelligence.
its the perfect story in which to have multiple guest star doctors too. doctor gets killed, regenerates as paul whitehouse for a bit. time resets it's jodie again. rinse and repeat with different actors.
I was just spending the whole episode wondering why the TARDIS crew kept respawning in front of the TARDIS despite the fact that they weren't there at that time last loop.
…and if the timey wimey loop is localised to the building how is Mammy ringing from outside of it at the same time each time and if it isn’t then is everyone on the entire planet remembering a few minutes repeating over and over and if so shouldn’t Mammy and that guy filming the explosion be freaking out and… Eh, there are a few logical plot holes. At least there was some natural feeling character arc in this one instead of everyone being an interchangeable narrator.
My theory for the production of Nick's storage unit was the BBC went online and just randomly bought a load of stuff and also told the staff "hey can you just bring in some random objects you have in your home's so we can use them in this set?"
They're all fixed in a loop and once they ALL die it loops around again. What if one of them survived, went home, put the kettle on. 45 years later after having been married twice with kids and gran kids. Gets pancreatic cancer and then dies. Would they suddenly wake up in the next loop ? ? ?
If you are seriously going to watch the Librarian, I recommend after the movies you at least watch one episode of the sequel TV series "The Librarians" specifically the Christmas episode season 1 episode 4 where Bruce Campbell plays the actual Santa Claus who is being hunted down by an evil cult that wants to murder him and steal his powers. I'd love to see you two react to that.
I have a problem with Nick's sacrifice after he gets insulted by Sarah. Like I get he was trying to be noble by offering his life but since he knows there is a good chance he'll come back to life later it takes away from his "sacrifice." Also I think it seems really toxic to kill himself after he gets rejected by his crush. It feels like she only falls for him because of the emotional blackmail.
The librarians has good time loop episode(the point of salvation) , which avoids some of the pit falls this episode does. the repeated deaths and failure has a clear effect on the character and yes one character remembers the loop so can interact with people who don't. It's not perfect but a step up from this. Also legends of tomorrow has a good time loop episode.
Isnt outing someome before they've even admitted it to themselves like, a really really shitty thing to do? And Dan just straight up does it? And people are just cool with it? What?
My perception of a rel was that it was no different than a second; it was basically just the dalek word for it. It’s the kind of thing you very easily pick up on, so the idea that Chibnall, a fan of the show (which, given the number of times it feels like he’s lifting scenes from other episodes, he’s still got to be), doesn’t know that, is absurd
I am disappointed by the missed opportunity of Stu not starting to sing the song he normally sings at the start, when they complained about the opening of the episode taking so long before it happened.
during my viewing of this episode i came to realise why i hate stormtrooper-aim: it the writer/director (whoever) being insecure about how engaging their narrative is, so they shoehorn in some action that does not affect the story in any real way
The town of Fucking just renamed itself. So you'd have to set that episode in the past. Might even be funnier to set it in a time when nobody knows what it means in English.
im gonna be honest and say that i really enjoyed this episode compared to the rest of s13. it was nice despite its glaring flaws and would probably fit in well as the mid one of a better series, but stands out in s13 as the best one ive watched
You could argue though that nick holds Sarahs opinion on him in higher regard than Yazes because he loves Sarah hence why he gets more offended by Sarah thinking he’s weird . Although it was a terribly written season in genera and episode.
I hope in RTD2 Sarah dumps Nick because he's a weird creep and then becomes the next Doctor's companion instead, because I really think she did a great job. Super charming actor, that Aisling Bea! Can you tell I hated all the "romance" garbage in this episode?
@@gallohalt I was thinking the same thing honestly, but I do think Aisling Bea is a delight and kind of stole the show on this one. It was really nice to finally see a secondary character rightfully and strongly call out the Doctor on her nonsense. It's a dynamic I've missed.
How I felt about Chibnall's seasons: Series 11: Eh, it's not as good as it used to be Series 12: Fuck right off, what has he done with the show? Series 13: Sure, why not. It's fine. I don't care enough to hate it anymore
1:24:30 Daleks are not AI. Adding nonsensical data in their training set will not automatically cause them to generate incorrect results. This scene was insufferably smug in having outsmarted the Daleks, considering it made its Daleks stupider than today's AI.
Impressive that you keep this to just what is narratively weak, rather than broaden it out to basic dumb errors. There's a point where Sarah looks at her phone after her mom calls at 23;56 and it shows 23;51! Nick is going to permanently die, then he isn't, both for vague reasons. They have 50 seconds to get from the basement to the 5th floor AND BACK, AND EXIT before the Daleks shoot the carefully placed items.... If you are doing a time loop story but don't care about the implications of said time loop you should probably not do a time loop story....
rels have been shown as equal to a second basically every time theyve been on screen. i can only find people saying its eqal to 1.2 seconds but not anything to actually confirm that.
I checked the wiki, seems to be based off some timer shown in an early episode that was laid out like an instrument panel version of a clock, but the prop apparently predates dr who, so seems like the rel = 1.2 seconds is nonsense that people just came up with because there was 50 numbers in a circle on something counting down.
@@shortangel333 I don't think that matters to the kind of people that are vocal shippers, they got confirmation that they were right to imagine Yaz and the Doctor as a couple.
In The Halloween Apocalypse the doctor and Yaz both fall onto a bed in their first scene, as a joke I said "space lesbians" because I thought it'll be stupid to think that's good development. Then throughout the Flux it became a running joke that any time Yaz or the doctor would linger looking at each other, we'd shout "space lesbians!". Then each time we said it, we slowly progessively all were thinking "Oh, Chris is actually gonna force this, isn't he?" Turns out he did
Jay, love you man. But can you please hide your mouse on OBS (or whatever youre using), as an ADHD person who watches you on the second monitor I was having a time with this video. (edit: in case im wrong here, im welcome to be i just kept seeing something out of the corner of my eye that looked like a mouse but ive not got a time stamp) (Edit 2: yep its deffo a mouse)
to clairfy jay, no i did not watch your stream I am just from the future, also jay who is the man who is with you I do not know his name please help me ma'me
How To Make Bad 999 Billion Per Cent Extremely Good idea 1. Invent Time Machine. 2. Travel To 22nd Century. 3. Invent a machine that can change probability use it to make probability certain that Bad is 999 Billion per cent Highly Extremely Pure Good idea Forever.
What would have been fun is if they had the Doctor regenerate into the next actor in one of the timeloops. Just for a second before the timeloops reset.
in Asylum of the Daleks (idk if thats spelled right but eh) the 11th doctor is like shocked that Clara is able to hack daleks, this episode implies that the doctor used to be able to just make the daleks stop working. eitherway, that scene was pointless. I did enjoy this episode much more than other Chibnall episode tho don't get me wrong. the daleks were just -- meh
did she stop the daleks guns from working in revolution of the dalek? the only time i remember her stopping a daleks gun was in resolution and that was to the junk dalek and even then only stopping it for a bit, hell im pretty sure in revolution of the dalek the dr doesnt actually confront the dalek at all (as in face to face) just to the cloned dalek mutant controling the guy and talking to the other daleks via a screen
@@gallohalt if I remember correctly the daleks in Revolution of the Daleks were like mutant-y daleks? so they probably aren't as strong as the average bronze dalek like in Eve of the Daleks
Thank Stu for that comment that this is a more palatable version of "Heaven Sent". I don't know why that episode gets such praise whereas it is is on my never watch again list.
I hate how, if they had kept Ryan in up to this episode, he could've made a call of duty joke about how they were all respawning and it would have been his most well characterised moment ever
I laughed at this because it's sadly so true. I liked Ryan, I just wanted character development for him and Orphan 55 was the PERFECT OPPORTUNITY for it! And I'm still mad that didn't happen.
For me the thing I cannot get over is when the doctor literally asks the daleks 'why are you killing these people?' like.... doctor... have you met the daleks?
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Daleks missing in certain circumstances should be fine but in this case they're in narrow hallways and now equipped with rapid fire laser blasters which mean it should be effectively impossible at a certain range for them to miss.
"If you don't want the characters to die, stop putting them in places where death is inevitable." - someone idk
This is less of a romcom and more trauma bonding
At this point, if Chibnall era characters were written well it would be character assassination as that would be less consistent than what we’ve had for 3 series.
1:11:56 Remember when the episode "Dalek" showed that the dalek's midsection could rotate to let it shoot in different directions? Chris Chibnall doesn't.
Chris Chibnall also doesn't remember that Daleks know what lifts are. They had them in their cities on Skaro. THEY USE THE WORD LIFT IN EVOLUTION OF THE DALEKS.
16:05 another solution to that problem is to have the heroes escape in a way that creates a new obstacle. Like in World War Three when the Doctor escapes the Slitheen but in doing so gets trapped in the cabinet room, or in Smith & Jones when he stops the Slab but in doing so breaks the sonic screwdriver
The history of the Dalek props in Nu-Who is becoming very strange and interesting to me. Pre-Chibnall, there were known to be eleven (I think) bronze Daleks. By the time of Revolution, I think only five remained (including the one built for Dalek which lives at BBC Birmingham). The others have either been destroyed, auctioned or modified (e.g. Rusty).
Of the five in Revolution, only three were actually built for TV (they’re originally from Asylum of the Daleks and were the resident Daleks at the DW Experience). The other two are actually touring models from the Symphonic Spectacular show which might explain why some of the Chibnall models look a bit shoddier than the previous two eras.
Quite why the Birmingham Dalek and BBC Salford Dalek (which was built for The Stolen Earth) were not called in instead is unknown.
The bronze Daleks used in the Chibnall era are all built to the same specifications as the original bronze Dalek props. These props were made by This Planet Earth, who had previously supplied props for Asylum of the Daleks and The Magician's Apprentice/The Witches Familiar
How could you forget about the amazing Paradigm Daleks?
Is there any place I can read up on the history of dalek props more comprehensively?
the funniest part of this episode to me is that as far as I can tell they gave the daleks gatling guns purely to facilitate another scene where they use the "just duck under the bullets" solution that was already bad enough when they did it once with the sniper bots with ryan and graham
I'd love if the first life was drawn out much longer and it wasn't known there was a time loop, everyone's deaths are more drawn out and tragic/sudden and the doctor gets really vengeful but gets killed, then there's the few too many seconds of blank screen before the 2nd life starts
With regards to your last point (before the Wallace and Gromit one), I totally agree. I think that's where Chibnall is failing. He's an ideas guy, but the way the episodes are written, how they're paced, the dialogue, all of it feels like it was written by someone who doesn't know how to write an episode of a TV show.
You can notice a really difference in the 3 eras of the revived show.
RTD had pretty safe ideas, but executed them almost flawlessly.
Moffat had some pretty out-there ideas and... mostly executed them well, sometimes not so much.
Chibnall has had a good mixture of basic ideas and very outlandish ideas and just doesn't pull either of them off well.
Here's my problem with Thasmin, it's insanely toxic, the Doctor is so secretive and manipulative to Yaz. Yaz has been kept in the dark so much that she literally doesn't know why Flux even happened in the first place because she doesn't know about the Timeless Child stuff or the Division or the Doctor's secret backstory so for her Flux was just some weird cosmic thing that just kind of happened for no reason. But despite all of that the Doctor just expects Yaz to trust her even though the Doctor clearly doesn't trust Yaz. Oh and there was no real build up to it and it's way too late in this era to be exploring Yaz and the Doctor's relationship, we only have like two specials left before we have a new Doctor and Tardis crew.
love to introduce gays two episodes before I'm contractually obligated to bury one of them
The amount of times I’ve said there was no build up to be told repeatedly ‘there was build up, it was just subtle and you were too stupid to notice’. It’s incredible how toxic the fandom are when valid criticism is thrown into discussion.
after the new special there's just.. a scene where they reference development that happened off screen
It's always frustrating as a Doctor Who fan when you realise what the writers SHOULD have done. I just had one of those moments, and it involves Thasmin of all things.
So, rather than having Dan hamfistedly reveal it to both characters (but really the audience) they should have done it with the Doctor regenerating *in* the time loop by surviving a glancing shot (albeit with fatal injuries like in _Stolen Earth)_ then have the new Doctor fight the Daleks and die heroically, but revert to Thirteen when the loop resets. The best part is that they don't even need to use the same actor for the actual 14th Doctor. You can have Thirteen explain how this works at the end of the episode, since it sets her up very well to broach the subject of her eventual death. But most importantly, it sets up Yaz to tell the Doctor how, even after staring her own death in the face, watching the Doctor regenerate was worse than that, and how "the worst thing of all was that I didn't get to tell you goodbye."
The Doctor tries to brush it off with "I'll still be me, won't I? Even after I regenerate."
...prompting Yaz to say that no, she has fallen in love with _this particular version_ of the Doctor (and it would be especially pertinent if the 14th Doctor cameo had been a man). And perhaps Yaz accidentally uses the word "love" in relation to Thirteen, tries to downplay it, only for the Doctor to see through it and either let her down gently or at least try to reciprocate the attraction.
Heck, if it were written at least somewhat competently, I'd have to admit even *I* might ship it after watching a scene like that.
Truly suspicious that the Nick hoarding his exes’ stuff storyline was retroactively engineered just so he could make the joke ‘ex ... terminate’
39:10 I like how Stu says "They wouldn't go that far" (having a character who has experienced death say that there is no afterlife, when you're dead, you're dead, that's it)
Except they have. Repeatedly. Torchwood's first episode did, with the 'resurrection gauntlet' used on murder victims. It was even a plot point that those who died and were brought back were traumatized by this revelation. Sorry 'anyone who believes in a religion', Doctor Who says no.
Death in heaven, also
I feel like thats more due to the nature of Torchwood as a spinoff show, allowing to dive into further topics with more grimness, mainline show probably wouldn't be able to do it, or do it more subtle if they wanted too, either way it would need to be handled with care.
Counterpoint: a lot of people who believe in an afterlife say that you don't get to go there until you're dead for real: if you're gonna get resurrected in the future you don't go to heaven yet. So technically it's a mystery, and also irrelevant.
Sure, if you ignore any other time that Doctor Who/Torchwood mentioned afterlives existing, then sure, Doctor Who totally told religious people that there's nothing after death.
Didn't Danny Pink sent a child back from an afterlife?
I’ve been waiting for this discussion
Remember in Dalek when a single Dalek took out a whole base on its own. Remember when they were a real threat?
one of the most offensive things about this episode in my opinion is how thasmin gets a grand total of ONE LINE where dan tells the doctor how yaz feels. this is the first time there's been any kind of character development in the entire chibnall era. the doctor thinks about it for a bit, then like clockwork in a chibnall story, character time is over, time for action
You stole that line "like clockwork in a Chibnel story", good sir, and I can prove it.
@@NotoriousLightning okay
@@NotoriousLightning i mean yeah it was a reference to his video, it's not like i'm pretending it's my line
It's ironic that Doctor Who has been trying to compete with Star Wars ever since that movie came out, and now it's achieved it by having the Daleks be as shit at shooting as Stormtroopers.
26:52 In Australia, we have such places as Innaloo and Upper Swan.
Ah, another Perthian I see :)
I can one up that, we've got towns like poowong in Vic.
Also in Perth, Cockburn - supposedly with a silent 'ck', but I don't believe them.
Can I say as a new fan, I wish this second channel was more pronounced on your channel. Had no idea it existed until I stumbled on it trying to find this video in your playlists
That idea of the only the heroes remembering the time loop was executed decently in Edge of Tomorrow, where Tom Cruise’s character only manages to survive a battle by learning as much as he can over the course of several deaths. Maybe Eve could’ve started with the same setup but then something happens that causes the Daleks to start remembering the previous loops, raising the stakes.
I kept thinking the Daleks were the same dalek not dying but spawing twice in the next loop, so by the 6th loop there would of been 6 of the same darlek all confused.
Don't be silly, that would be interesting.
That would of been amazing
I like that!
In my head I wanted the time loop to be localised to the building meaning Mammy didn’t ring back at the same time again, meaning after a loop or two the gang notice that they can contact the people outside of the loop for help, meaning perhaps UNIT or the army turn up, or maybe they’d do a livestream until somebody else figures out a clever way to get them out, or something like that.
I thought it’d be an interesting new twist on the Groundhog Day loop. Ah well.
Stream cut out at around 46:00
Genuinely, if it weren't for the Dalek's _extreme case_ of Stormtrooper aim in the hallways (and Dan's absolute humiliation of that one dalek), i think I _would_ have LOVED this episode. Would've been one of the few Chibnall episodes I could say was aight.
Doctor Who these days looks like if the old, crappily written sci-fi movies from the '50s got the special effects budget of Marvel movies.
Yes, well said. I'm hanging out for RTD's return in 2023.
Don't bother. RTD is as driven by the same bullshit social agenda as the prick Chibnall. At this point they should either let it die or sell it to someone who cares about it.
Daleks can’t get through regular garage doors now apparently, even one with a machine gun upgrade..
Despite the guns being capable of instantly destroying other Daleks.
@@leipherd8118 Tbf, there's been a lot of rogue daleks in new who from what I remember, would be smart if the Daleks upgraded their weapons to take them out easily, because there's no way allied daleks would be stupid enough to accidentally shoot each other regularly, at least if they weren't being written to be brainless idiots in any given episode.
@@whiskeyhound In Chibnall’s era there is no limit to the stupidity of villains
@@Onesocialistboi That is true, seems like the "heroes" are more competent villains than the villains most of the time.
3:10 Apparently, Rule 32 was "You must have pictures to prove your statements". Basically "pics or it didn't happen".
Photoshops weren't very good back then.
Feel better, Jay! Glad Stu's recovered (well, from COVID-19, not from Chibnall Who)
Human Nature/The Family of Blood is a brilliant story about how the doctor relates to the concept of romantic relationships. Full Fat Video’s video on this story explores this in great detail. Not only is the thasmin garbage at the end of this special insultingly and cheaply written by its own merits, but it spits in the face of what we learned about the doctor’s character in the 3rd series.
Tennant in general has some really great romantic moments over the years. Moffat learned he couldn't do it with Smith, and took the character in a different direction with Capaldi. Chibnall just wants to bait LGBT fans.
@@PlatinumAltaria he's spent three years using minority characters as human shields to avoid criticism of his crap writing, and now he wants to turbocharge that by saying two of them were actually gay all along. What a twat.
1:11:29 I want to imagine that the reason the Dalek is holding fire is because this appears to be the dumbest human they've ever met and it's gathering data to amend the file of human intelligence.
its the perfect story in which to have multiple guest star doctors too. doctor gets killed, regenerates as paul whitehouse for a bit. time resets it's jodie again. rinse and repeat with different actors.
I was just spending the whole episode wondering why the TARDIS crew kept respawning in front of the TARDIS despite the fact that they weren't there at that time last loop.
How did I not notice this during the episode. Well done chibnall
…and if the timey wimey loop is localised to the building how is Mammy ringing from outside of it at the same time each time and if it isn’t then is everyone on the entire planet remembering a few minutes repeating over and over and if so shouldn’t Mammy and that guy filming the explosion be freaking out and…
Eh, there are a few logical plot holes. At least there was some natural feeling character arc in this one instead of everyone being an interchangeable narrator.
sad I couldn't see the stream live as it was buffering so much, but at least the archive is here!
Return of the kings. Been looking forward for this review 👀
My theory for the production of Nick's storage unit was the BBC went online and just randomly bought a load of stuff and also told the staff "hey can you just bring in some random objects you have in your home's so we can use them in this set?"
13:20 - I clapped so hard when Stu said this. THIS, this is what I needed to hear.
It's interesting to watch Jay's EFAP-adjacent standards of writing quality sitting alongside the more wibbly-wobbly standards of Stu.
They're all fixed in a loop and once they ALL die it loops around again. What if one of them survived, went home, put the kettle on. 45 years later after having been married twice with kids and gran kids. Gets pancreatic cancer and then dies. Would they suddenly wake up in the next loop ? ? ?
Jesus
If you are seriously going to watch the Librarian, I recommend after the movies you at least watch one episode of the sequel TV series "The Librarians" specifically the Christmas episode season 1 episode 4 where Bruce Campbell plays the actual Santa Claus who is being hunted down by an evil cult that wants to murder him and steal his powers. I'd love to see you two react to that.
I wish you guys talked about that "speech" that she did
I have a problem with Nick's sacrifice after he gets insulted by Sarah. Like I get he was trying to be noble by offering his life but since he knows there is a good chance he'll come back to life later it takes away from his "sacrifice."
Also I think it seems really toxic to kill himself after he gets rejected by his crush. It feels like she only falls for him because of the emotional blackmail.
The librarians has good time loop episode(the point of salvation) , which avoids some of the pit falls this episode does. the repeated deaths and failure has a clear effect on the character and yes one character remembers the loop so can interact with people who don't. It's not perfect but a step up from this. Also legends of tomorrow has a good time loop episode.
22:38 this is just the reset... a whole new regeneration cycle... taking a bit longer
Isnt outing someome before they've even admitted it to themselves like, a really really shitty thing to do? And Dan just straight up does it? And people are just cool with it?
What?
He's trying to be a matchmaker but forgot that he has basically no social skills.
My perception of a rel was that it was no different than a second; it was basically just the dalek word for it. It’s the kind of thing you very easily pick up on, so the idea that Chibnall, a fan of the show (which, given the number of times it feels like he’s lifting scenes from other episodes, he’s still got to be), doesn’t know that, is absurd
It's basically a second - 50 rels are in a minute, so a rel is 1.2 seconds
I am disappointed by the missed opportunity of Stu not starting to sing the song he normally sings at the start, when they complained about the opening of the episode taking so long before it happened.
I'm just excited for that Librarian discussion
during my viewing of this episode i came to realise why i hate stormtrooper-aim: it the writer/director (whoever) being insecure about how engaging their narrative is, so they shoehorn in some action that does not affect the story in any real way
The town of Fucking just renamed itself. So you'd have to set that episode in the past. Might even be funnier to set it in a time when nobody knows what it means in English.
If Stu's voice was lowered by a few cents I'm reasonably sure he'd sound like Stewart Lee.
"My favourite new episode of Doctor Who."
Well, it was once.
To watch any of the current era Doctor Who voluntarily, makes one either a masochist or a tit.
I think the Jeff who had the fireworks was Jeff Angelo from the 11th hour
Eve of the Garlics
If you want a great time loop episode then just watch the far superior Heaven Sent.
In the final scene with the tardis the text has a white background not the black background with the white text
asylum of the heaven sent daleks
im gonna be honest and say that i really enjoyed this episode compared to the rest of s13. it was nice despite its glaring flaws and would probably fit in well as the mid one of a better series, but stands out in s13 as the best one ive watched
I agree that it's probably the best of the series.
You could argue though that nick holds Sarahs opinion on him in higher regard than Yazes because he loves Sarah hence why he gets more offended by Sarah thinking he’s weird . Although it was a terribly written season in genera and episode.
I hope in RTD2 Sarah dumps Nick because he's a weird creep and then becomes the next Doctor's companion instead, because I really think she did a great job. Super charming actor, that Aisling Bea!
Can you tell I hated all the "romance" garbage in this episode?
i think she would be a little too much like a copy of donna noble
@@gallohalt I was thinking the same thing honestly, but I do think Aisling Bea is a delight and kind of stole the show on this one. It was really nice to finally see a secondary character rightfully and strongly call out the Doctor on her nonsense. It's a dynamic I've missed.
the scene where they confront the guy with hoarding issues could’ve been fixed so easily if they just swapped yaz and Sarah’s dialogue
This is so chaotic lol I love it
How I felt about Chibnall's seasons:
Series 11: Eh, it's not as good as it used to be
Series 12: Fuck right off, what has he done with the show?
Series 13: Sure, why not. It's fine. I don't care enough to hate it anymore
I actually liked 12 quite a bit more than series 11, but it seems like everyone has a different opinion on the Chibnall era
1:26:15 What’s that a reference to?
I hope you guys really do talk abbot "The Librarian"
1:24:30 Daleks are not AI. Adding nonsensical data in their training set will not automatically cause them to generate incorrect results. This scene was insufferably smug in having outsmarted the Daleks, considering it made its Daleks stupider than today's AI.
Impressive that you keep this to just what is narratively weak, rather than broaden it out to basic dumb errors. There's a point where Sarah looks at her phone after her mom calls at 23;56 and it shows 23;51!
Nick is going to permanently die, then he isn't, both for vague reasons.
They have 50 seconds to get from the basement to the 5th floor AND BACK, AND EXIT before the Daleks shoot the carefully placed items....
If you are doing a time loop story but don't care about the implications of said time loop you should probably not do a time loop story....
rels have been shown as equal to a second basically every time theyve been on screen. i can only find people saying its eqal to 1.2 seconds but not anything to actually confirm that.
I checked the wiki, seems to be based off some timer shown in an early episode that was laid out like an instrument panel version of a clock, but the prop apparently predates dr who, so seems like the rel = 1.2 seconds is nonsense that people just came up with because there was 50 numbers in a circle on something counting down.
The silver lining of a bad Dalek Episode is that Joe Vevers has more material to parody.
a dude storing weird stuff, and most of the episode being a flashback where he describes how he got it sounds so good
The episode woud have been cooler if only the 2 new human characters remembered the loop, and it was up to them to relay that info to the doctor
You gonna do one of these for Legend of the Sea Devil?
oh, you're the five hours guy.. thought you sounded familiar
This episode has been rated 4 stars and I'm like... where? How? They botched the whole Groundhog day plot and the "love" story is a bit of a yikes.
Thasmin. That's it
@@laviarray I was talking about the stalker guy and the storage woman.
@@shortangel333 Yeah, they're saying the episode got rated high because of shipping.
@@whiskeyhound but they didnt even kiss?!
@@shortangel333 I don't think that matters to the kind of people that are vocal shippers, they got confirmation that they were right to imagine Yaz and the Doctor as a couple.
We are all more mad than usual
Dan is actually sonic
I know its a time loop but surely the doctor should regenerate infinitely before dying and resetting the loop...
Well usually getting shot by a minigun. If the first kills the doctor, the next fifty shots hitting her make sure she doesn't manage regeneration.
The beans and beef "joke" was weird. What's so bad about that? Does Britain not have cans of beans and pork?
We sure do!
Public Service Announcement: My mum doesn't really like Stu.
In The Halloween Apocalypse the doctor and Yaz both fall onto a bed in their first scene, as a joke I said "space lesbians" because I thought it'll be stupid to think that's good development. Then throughout the Flux it became a running joke that any time Yaz or the doctor would linger looking at each other, we'd shout "space lesbians!". Then each time we said it, we slowly progessively all were thinking "Oh, Chris is actually gonna force this, isn't he?"
Turns out he did
My complaint about Flux certainly isn't that it was too complicated, holy fuck. It's that it's awfully written
Jay, love you man. But can you please hide your mouse on OBS (or whatever youre using), as an ADHD person who watches you on the second monitor I was having a time with this video.
(edit: in case im wrong here, im welcome to be i just kept seeing something out of the corner of my eye that looked like a mouse but ive not got a time stamp)
(Edit 2: yep its deffo a mouse)
dockor who
the tradis
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49:45 hello i am doing quite well thank you forasking man whomst name I do not know
to clairfy jay, no i did not watch your stream I am just from the future, also jay who is the man who is with you I do not know his name please help me ma'me
also jay do you have any plans to watch avatar the last airbender and discussing how good the up coming remakes are comparatively?
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How To Make Bad 999 Billion Per Cent Extremely Good idea
1. Invent Time Machine.
2. Travel To 22nd Century.
3. Invent a machine that can change probability use it to make probability certain that Bad is 999 Billion per cent Highly Extremely Pure Good idea Forever.
22:26 - Stu checking to see who's still watching. :)
I think the Dan and Dalek scene is funny. That’s my whole argument.
Is it good? No
Logical? No
Well written? No
But I like it so it’s ok.
yOUR mAGIC wAND WILL NOT WORK ON ME!
Oh no, Stu has been ✨EFAP-ified✨ (joke)
There's also rule 63: all characters will have a gender swapped fanart.
Isn't that Rule 63?
@@rhodrage damn you're right. Editing my comment now.
What would have been fun is if they had the Doctor regenerate into the next actor in one of the timeloops. Just for a second before the timeloops reset.
Jay complaining about the misuse of rels is the neckbeardiest thing, love it
Illness appears to give jay a cool voice
in Asylum of the Daleks (idk if thats spelled right but eh) the 11th doctor is like shocked that Clara is able to hack daleks, this episode implies that the doctor used to be able to just make the daleks stop working. eitherway, that scene was pointless.
I did enjoy this episode much more than other Chibnall episode tho don't get me wrong. the daleks were just -- meh
also is there a time of the day that u usually stream? I'm in the US so i'd like to know how late to stay up in order to watch these live lol
did she stop the daleks guns from working in revolution of the dalek? the only time i remember her stopping a daleks gun was in resolution and that was to the junk dalek and even then only stopping it for a bit, hell im pretty sure in revolution of the dalek the dr doesnt actually confront the dalek at all (as in face to face) just to the cloned dalek mutant controling the guy and talking to the other daleks via a screen
@@gallohalt if I remember correctly the daleks in Revolution of the Daleks were like mutant-y daleks? so they probably aren't as strong as the average bronze dalek like in Eve of the Daleks
flux and eve have just felt different from the rest of chibnall to me. Maybe it's just Dan but i quite liked them both.
Thank Stu for that comment that this is a more palatable version of "Heaven Sent". I don't know why that episode gets such praise whereas it is is on my never watch again list.