How Good Was Nuguri Really?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2024
- Jang "Nuguri" Ha-gwon (장하권) of Damwon Gaming/FPX is arguably one of the most influential toplaners in League of Legends History. His aggressive playstyle and signature champion pool perfectly synergized with the rest of Damwon Gaming and helped them win the 2020 League of Legends World Championship. His split on FPX was less successful, with teammates claiming he didn't synergize well with the team at all, forcing him to return to Damwon Gaming after taking a split off to mentally reset. This video retrospective analyzes Nuguri's League of Legends career as a whole to answer the question: How Good Was Nuguri Actually?
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Edited by Beemo
0:00 Intro
1:44 The New Kid
3:57 Growing Pains
9:46 Prime Nuguri
18:26 The Fall Off
24:56 Conclusion - เกม
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>dominates in region
>proves himself internationally
>wins worlds
>"damn i suck"
>retires
>refuses to elaborate
he had mental issues and dealt with depression...
he is like Ding Liren
The flaw Nuguri had was that he would int first blood in lane but also respawn then somehow solo kill the enemy top after. Which is fine when your mid jungle is stomping, but terrible when your team is not prime Canyon+Showmaker.
Iirc he always trades 1 for 1 under enemy turrets while having a wave shoved in which makes the enemy loses 1-2 waves hence the snowball
Its bausens law
lol he's much more important than showmaker in 2020
Eh not really. In 2019 yes but in 2020, his "int" has the other enemy team sacrifice to kill him on other map.
@@fzpeggcdabsolutely not
Realistically, that 2020 DWG team may have been the most well rounded team of all time. Everyone knew their roles, and all of those roles complimented one another. It didn’t hurt that they had the goat jungler in his prime during a jungle focused meta too.
I don't think you can say they are well rounded. Ghost wasn't good enough, they did well mostly because they were in an amazing meta for them, but they can not play around bot lane well
@@dsjsi Ghost was perfect for them because he was the best weak side bot laner we've ever seen. They were well rounded because the team all had some cohesion. They didnt need to play around bot because their mid, jg and top were so dominant
@@AtlasAdvice254 they have good teamwork but it would’ve been better for Damwon if they had a powerful adc like ruler or viper who can do everything
@@dsjsi Having a weak side player that is still solid in team fights, can absorb pressure, and only fall a little behind or go even is very important. Most super teams based off of the idea that every player wants to carry the game tend to fail.
@@acatwithwiskers9273 I agree but I think a player like ruler who can weak side and also carry is better
If Nuguri didn't left DWG in 2021 they would've won back to back Worlds
Nah Khan was far better in 2021
Nuguri was ass
that's saying Khan didn't help Damwon to go Worlds Finals, it was a draft error at that final game 5
@@Dnie.Khan choked in the finals and semis
@@Dnie. Niguri was by far the best top in spring and was the only performing top in FPX.
Also you need to know the situation behind the scenes, at worlds Niguri was a complete mess in his mind.
@@stefankatsarov5806 yeah Nuguri was super good, these guys don't have a clue about what they're talking about
apparently Nuguri didn't get along with Tian and Nuguri felt insecure playing with him, so he didn't enjoy it as much anymore and his performance nosedived.
that's why they benched Tian for Bo at the start of the year, they would have definitely gotten a better result if they didn't have to put Tian back in after the matchfixing scandal
Ghost, Nuguri? Who's next BeryL, Showmaker, Canyon? Damwon 2020 was a force of nature.
My favorite player of all time. It seems like you missed out on some opportunities to show just how dominant he was. Statistically he is, behind theshy, the strongest toplaner ever. There are many stats that visualize that he was leading the league as toplaner in every stat like dpm, csdiff @15, gold diff, forward percentage etc. Also, he is the only toplaner in history in the major leagues to ever lead an ENTIRE league in damage per minute (summer 2019). In his best split 2020 summer he was putting up insane numbers and specifically improved his biggest weakness, overextending and dying recklessly in sidelane (zeus is currently doing that a lot) and playing weakside to enable the other side of the map. Funnily enough his actual best version ever is probably the 2021 spring version at FPX. He was the best player itw at that time. Again easily topping the dpm charts together with Theshy and also the csd gold diff stats. Theshy and Nuguri are probably the best laners ever. Players like Gimgoon, Bin, Ale, Zeus have all said he is incredible to best and the best they have faced in scrims.
Niguri spring 2021 was a beast i have never seen.
I will never forgeth how at the finals he was ganked 1v4 and still made it 1 for 1.
I remember the time when Nuguri was such a menace in scrims that players were saying he would either go 10-0 or 0-10 but nevertheless he would still do the most damage in the game because of how psychotic he is 😂
i guess when a toplaner wins worlds they just turn to theshy
I’m a TheShy fan and nuguri was a fucking beast
I remember Dopa saying in Damwon's first competitive year in LCK that Nuguri was one of the best toplaners he had seen, and along with Canyon and Showmaker they were mechanically incredible.
DOPA? KEKW LUL who cares what that loser say
Nuguri, my beloved. Miss him, miss that 2020 DWG roster. I will always see him as one of the best in his prime, regardless of what happened after worlds 2020.
you know shit about league, Nuguri was the reason why that DWG didnt won many more tournaments
Nuguri + Canyon + ShowMaker was, without a doubt, the best topside of all time. People will argue SKT T1 2015, and they're wrong. DWG 2020 topside was absolute perfection in both individual performance and team synergy.
Kiin.canyon chovy might be the best of all time
@@shmurflHD not even close
only reason dw was good was canyon
@@krystof1700 Nuguri Canyon Showmaker isn't even close to Kiin Canyon Chovy? I'm glad we agree.
The decency of saying this when Duke Bengi Faker and Doran Tarzan Chovy exists 😂 . What a clown . And not even mentioning the longevity of these players. DWG is literally 1 season Andy when all the others have gone through years as top 3 each year. Saying this DWG top side is strong is like saying Doing lwx crisp is the best bot of all time when Lwx clears all the ADC in that year and Crisp literally dancing on enemy carry corpse 😂
Bin's father, Interestingly his best champions are mostly AP. he was known for his vladimir and kennen.
With cull and klepto 😂
i’ve waited my whole life for this one you’re so goated thanks
Amazing video, loved to watch
The fpx roster is overblown as to how “bad” they were. They got 2nd in both finals although they were favoured in both and in worlds the team had a lot of internal issues especially with tian and nuguri so hard to knock them for that
Some of the clips when talking about 2019 LCK summer and 2019 worlds are from 2020
hope all off us have a good day ~
It was awesome to hear GALAAAAAAA is a monster even in a Nuguri game as a Gala fan
Did not expect a FSG title in a LOL channel
8:00 I assume what you say about Nuguri is true being up a load of CS is true but why show a 2020 game when the timeline atm is 2019?
Am I misremembering something? I thought Spring FPX nuguri was easily one of the best tops in the world if not the best. When playoffs hit the team had problems and the performance dropped if I remember correctly
Can you please make an EloSanta video???
After leaving FPX, Nuguri went on a break for months and LS revealed that Nuguri wasn't even touching League. LS said that he was mostly playing PUBG at the time so it was even thought that he was unofficially retired because of it.
Tbf , back in 2019 which i became a grf fan back then, its my first time to see the only team who destroy grf before finals was dwg and un 2020, its not surprising for me when they won worlds
As a nuguri fan, oh yeah i dig this!!
ps it's pronounced as: NUH-GUH-RI not NA-GA-RI
nuh-goo-ri, right?
Yeah its nuh goo ri
@@quackquack2878 According to Google Korean to English it's noo-goo-ri.
@@manzarelahi1812 yeah romanisation doesnt match well with korean
Its 너구리 in korean
You can see theres three distinct characters.
You can imagine each character as a a syllable in english
So.
ㄴ=n ㅓ=uh to make 너 = nuh
ㄱ=g ㅜ=ooh to make 구=gooh
ㄹ=L ㅣ=eeh to make 리=lee
@@quackquack2878 The more you know, I thought the romanization would be bad, but the pronunciation would be ok.
can you make downfall video of rossboomsocks?
Can you make a video about What happend too sunnysplosion since she deleted all her league videos
What’s there to say? She pivoted to being more of a streamer who makes Vtuber content. She deleted all her league videos so her new persona can have a fresh start. I’m surprised there isn’t an archive anywhere
He said in the interview eith Ashley Kang that he regretted his decision to go in the LPL after they win Worlds, he suffer a massive mental health lose in the FPX run, remember the videos of FPX in 2021 when they are slumping because of nugurinis homesick and doesnt have motivation to play? DoinB is the only one who is making communications with him until that horrendous Worlds 2021 performance, and after that he never been the same even he rest for 1 season and comeback with DK in summer, the fire that Nuguri has in 2020 didn't comeback after all and decide to retire
I mean, it can't be avoided as a toplaner to have an "inconsistent" gameplay if you are a carry/forward champion user. It's an instinct to engage whenever you find an opportunity and reactively play around based on current inputs of enemy.
LPL really broke Nuguri mentally and unfortunately he retired and wasn’t the same after his return…still one of those things where i wonder if he never left DK after the Worlds run if they would have had a Dynasty like SKT
Nuguri was actually good, especially looking at how FPX was performing badly and how Nuguri doesn't communicate with his team mates, he still performs.
Racoon senpai the best toplaner to ever play for me! Miss u Nuguri
my goat
5:31 did bro really just straight up ignore Mata who was the most influential support who completely reshaped the role? XD
The absolute, mega, massive, UNRULY disrespect, glazing all over Bin and SoFM's meat and not mentioning Huanfeng ONCE 😢
Why do you say Nuguri like that
Watched the league back then and spotted incorrect points (many overall facts were wrong, like beryl, but will be focusing solely on those regarding nuguri) :
-2019 was the year where he had the mist deaths in lane. 2019 nuguri can be summarized in extremely high risk player, often dying to ganks. He was called Nu”Gorib”, which means isolated, because of his isolated deaths that destroyed his kda. He was a carry myself or lose the game kind of player, and the version that yall saw in 19 worlds was the
-2020 is where most of the video got things wrong. From the very start, Dwg were one of the favorites to the league (I remember skt Wolf placing them top 2 after geng when he went through the rosters). However, 20 dwg spring was rough, mainly because canyon, sm, and beryl were not in good form, and nuclear wasn’t good at Aphelios, the op character alongside Ornn during 20 spring. Here, Nuguri was by far the best top laner in the league, and he alone managed to bring Dwg to 5th place, when the rest of the teams were struggling. At no point in 2020 nuguri had an unreliable playstyle: he was still aggressive, but much more safe in a way. After the MSC, where he destroyed t1, he became the best player in the world, period. He won every single lane he played with any match up, and was the center of the dwg snowball, consisting in using beryl to get herald and get gold from towers. Fun fact: dwg played for top all summer round, and when drx opened up caitlyn (the most op adc in the meta) during summer finals, nuguri picked his first ornn of the summer and gave ghost beryl a bot carry oick, which destroyed deft keria. Worlds Nuguri was the highest point of any Top laner we have seen. Idk why people get the impression that canyon sm were the best in that dwg. It was indeed a jg carry met (nida graves lillia), but Nuguri was still the best pkayer in dwg. He played carry picks like sett camille and kennen, supporting for ghost and canyon picks like lulu, and even tanks like ornn. Funnily enough, he destroyed his opponents with all of them, managing to get top1 damage with tanks in worlds. During the world finals, he was once again the best player. To be honest, to this day idk why cNyon got fmvp. The best player that series was Nuguri, then Beryl and Ghost, and then canyon sm (the last two gave away set 2, fiora’s penta). Game 3 again was a clown fiesta were all dwg members trolled a baron, but nuguri stepped up and carried HARD that game, beating Bin laning against 3 of SN’s members. Now Game 4 was a murder and canyon popped off, which is prolly why he got the fmvp.
-21 : nuguri was not the best, but it is hardly his fault. Tian wanted to retire, so Fpx signed Bo, prodigy talent who quickly became the best jg in china. However, he was found matchfixing in his days in the ldl, so he was kicked out and tian got pulled out of his coffin to jg for a broken fpx. Even then, nuguri murdered xiaohu in the spring finals, but the team diff was too big.
I know that the popular opinion calls TS or marin the best top laner, but my reasons for it being Nuguri are: unlike the other candidates, he could play Carries, and cheesepicks to perfection. His peak was on par if not higher than the other candidates, and just like ts changed china’s top lane, nuguri changed korea’s, which was much more stacked already. All the best toplaners of today, with the exception of kiin, are in some way or another Nuguri-kids, who try to replicate his aggressive play style (zeus, bin, doran, kingen and many more called him their rolemodel). His only flaws are going to china, which missed us the chance of seeing a grandslam with 21 damwon, and longevity, caused by how strict and harsh he is with himself.
really good summary and i agree with everything, specifically how you talked about 2020 spring and also about worlds and the way he kept topping damage charts even on tanks like ornn when he finally started picking those up as well.
I'd argue that dwg 2020 was the best team ever to play league, they looked so good even if the game had a 0-0 scoreline they would still be very far ahead in gold just by having better macro than any other team, and their topside was criminal, having the best mid-jg duo ever, and a weakside bot that played good enough to allow their topside to carry the games
Still my top lane goat only behind theshy
4:39 "he would run cleptomancy on camille, kennen or even vladimir" *proceeds to show clips of camille kennen and vlad WITHOUT clepto rune*
btw suning was the 3rd seed at 2020 worlds !!!
missed the opportunity to say kleptomancy merchant
he said he was an kleptomancy connoissuer, so same thing
@@yanlenqt thats what i meant xd, i just remember the recent msi meme, where one tricks are called merchants
11:53 is that noise just me?
No
Transition sound effect
Now with TheShy retired, can you make a story of theshy...?
TheShy will join lpl again this summer
@@Aatroxh_enjoyer no he won't lmao
any video about Canyon Showmaker and Nuguri: he was THE carry
(I just loved 2020 and 2021 DWG, no team is even close to them as my favourite team)
suning was not lpls 4th seed in worlds 2020
Nuguri one of my favorite top laners in the world
He"s also the player who put an L to Bin's Jax
Thespy really made it to the list?
My fav team...
we dont talk about the fpx incident
I’m sensing a trend of Korean superstar toplaners who had the entire world in a chokehold with their signature Jayce becoming the highest average deathcount player in their respective league after winning it all
😂
tbh it's hard to play Jayce when Riot keeps buffing K'sante's Items and Nerfing Jayce's. I miss 2023 Worlds Meta where K'Sante is a Situational Pick rather than a Prio
@@skrattaoppar9753 The best Jayce players at internationals aren’t even one-tricks, theshy’s Jayce vs G2 was prime example of that. Not just the champion being strong in a counter-pick meta, but the footwork and micro making it unbeatable
Please do a video about TheShy next
he has two elite splits. it's not enough.
He was really good in FPX except for Worlds.
Where is Wunder in that intro? While he certainly doesn't have the acumen of his peers,... is what I wanted to say. But then I remember that the first name - the first word - you said was "Khan". And that man's international trophycase is a collection of silver medals reading "Khan't".
Am I a die-hard Wunder-fan? Yes. I am and I am not pretending I am not. *BUT* I think if you consider the circumstances under which he performed, it was fucking Europe. There is no "iron sharpens iron", there is no "rising tide that lifts all boats".
There is G2, sometimes FNC and maybe one other team doing their damnedest not to be pulled down by the dead weights that are the Excels, SKs and their likes.
And with all that in mind I think Wunder should be in the conversation. I'm not saying he is that toplane GOAT - I am not that delusional - but I do think bro deserves a mention.
no
How forget when perkz and showmaker destroyed and humillated doinb ❤
"Not being able to win multiple international trophies.." Almost not Toplaners have that tho. Like, Duke has 2 (3 if you count the IG 2018 run) and I think that's the most out of all toplaners xD Compared to Midlaner's 6 (Faker's Worlds 2013/15/16/23 and MSI 2016/17) and Botlaner's 4 (Bang and Wolf Worlds 2015/16 and MSI 2016/2017) it's very little
2020 he was the boss
In terms of peak
Theshy / Nuguri > Bin > Khan / Smeb > Zeus > 369 > MaRin
Do we truly ever know a players peak if they're still competing? I mean anything can happen!
@@connornguyen4336 MaRin has shown his peak during grand finals of Worlds 2015 and he looked different after he played on a different team, he was getting mauled by the other top laners.
@@idolesonnotyou1877 Sure sure, but Bin, 369, Zeus are all still competing, and with all of them being very young, we perhaps haven't seen their peaks yet.
I haven't finished the video yet but my favorite thing about Nuguri is when you think you counter picked him, he beats you then he plays the other side of the matchup the next game and beats you again
i always feel sad when seeing videos about damwon.
2020 dwm was the best team to ever play league, the ability to play the map was insane (not the strongest players)
2021 with nuguri would be another easy win. (khan was literally a liability, he couldn't win lane and had no sinergy with the team map plays)
even at lpl he was making insane out plays like getting a kill in a 1v4.
unfortunelly he burnt out too soon
Nuguri is still the best Kennen player ever
Nuguri would easily outplayed kiin and make Bin cried on keyboard. He is skillful but unfortunately he is so silent in the game which is really hard for his teammate to communicate with him
Why are we talking about 2019 but showing clis from 2020 that do not represent what you are talking about. Its like the editiors dont watch pro league at all lol
He was really good, end of story.
dang Nuguri with Kleptomancy was so fun to watch!
Moving to FPX in 2021 is the reason his career collapsed
Bro is acting like its 200 years ago that nuguri played
I still cannot get over how the last bo5 series of Nuguri was ruined cuz Deokdam didn't know how to play an Aphelios properly. Bro was completely useless as a late game Aphe against a Lucian. Props to Ruler for pulling that off tho but deokdam kellin kinda sucked hard that entire year.
Never heard of this guy
Doinb was actually god in 2021
If fpx didnt choke at 2021 worlds nuguri wouldve won back to back worlds with 2different teams.
I’m still mad about that
He looks like khazix
Good video, butchered the name tho
the people thinking he was top class dont have a fucking clue about the game
Nuguri was the only reason canyon could carry DWG 2020 with their inting bot laners.
Nuguri getting sent to FPX with an inting jg Tian andDK getting a non-carry top with khan meant both worlds winners suffered. Nuguri would do well with competent jgs like Xun, Canyon, while Canyon needs carry tops like him, Bin, Zeus, TheShy.
Nuguri was in such good form in 2021 too they could have went back to back easily
19:40 lol he probably felt there was no hope for winning worlds cuz of tian. going from canyon to a troll jg who needs crazy micro from LPL gods to win worlds must be a shock. top laners gotta play like losers when their jg doesn't know how to countergank/cover/is AFK. i would be disconnected as well
@@chriswho12345 Tian didnt play much in spring because of injury, Niguri mainly played whit BO. Tian then had to return for the play-offs and Niguri was super good the whole time.
In summer Niguri refused to talk to anyone. It is even documented that DoinB and Tian tried to be friends whit him and make him feel as part of the team but he refused. He even practised alone in a seperate room. That impacted him more tha nanything really.
@@chriswho12345 it also didn’t help that lwx was invisible the entire year. He and doinb were the only threats on that team and that could’ve been enough if they had an actual jungler (as we saw with Bo)
Wtf are u even on about? Dwg 2020 botlane was no where near inting lol. Ghost was Perma 1v2ing in lane while going even in gold and beryl was Perma roaming the map. The only time the botlane inted was 2021 when nuguri no longer played for them. U have no clue what u're talking about pls do not type
winning worlds 2020 made nuguri a weaker player. He grew an ego that he was a world champ and needed to live up to that. When he thought FPX was not world champion material his ego destroyed his gameplay and he lost the will to play. and when he lost game 5 vs gen G in 2022 his ego broke. His biggest flaw is his ego and manlet personality. Instead of having grit and the hunger to win after defeat like faker, he choose to run away and close off. Moral of the story: it does not matter how talented you are at something if you do not have the mentality to back it up.
Damn I never really thought of the difference between a player like him and Faker. It’s crazy because compared to someone like TheShy even who went from undisputed best top to losing a bunch he still never gave up and continued to grind through the losses. Nuguri wasn’t even that bad at his worst yes he mental boomed on FPX but losing to the top KR seed in 2022 after a banger game 5 series should’ve motivated him that he can still be an elite player. Instead he just retired…
@@LoLAthlete Gameplay wise he wasnt that bad at his worst. But i judge a player outside of game as well because something as simple as being negative impacts the whole team and their gameplay. I'll never accept the excuse of mental boom or new environment for nuguri. Tian's mental was way worse than nuguri's but Tian came back to not let his team down. Tian also had an wrist injury where he played in pain, yet he still tried to give his 100%. Despite all that Tian did his best to help nuguri open up, Donib also played his heart out every game and did his best to help his team outside of games. So i think things like maturity, and a good mentality is often overlooked when judging how good a player is. Like how Perkz helped G2 get out of slumps.
😊@@LoLAthlete
Thats actually a goated analysis i never thought of it that way.... wow..
@@yourknight3544 well said king 👑
If Nuguri is playing MSI he would shit on everyone. He's a god Camille player.
2020 , watch some video about his gameplay , and then that dictate my playstyle in toplane . Poor guy with poor health condition , and mental health , he should retire and enjoy his life with his family
ZEUS
i hated nuguri because although he didnt show it, you knew he had an ego when hes just not cooperating. like bro is prime example of old ruler after he won worlds and got complacent, only difference is: ruler reformed himself and stepped up. nuguri left with a whimper
Pigglet too when he whent to NA right afther worlds.
@@stefankatsarov5806 eh that one was argueable. Bro willing signed up to the retirement region for Koreans. I think he knew the gig
Nuguri might have been a monster in his prime, but his lack of consistency was pretty damning. I would much rather have a reliable top laner like Impact.
No views in 60 seconds, bro fell off
please touch grass.
Theshy was the overrated
Is this AI narration? Kinda jarring.
Dude I've kinda thought that same thing at times 😅
I think your facts are a bit skewed to hype some players up more than they actually were. "TheShy" and "Relevant" don't belong in the same sentence in that intro. He did nothing past 2019. People often forget that even in 2023, he was sprinting it down so hard but Xiaohu carried him to worlds. Had a pop off performance in worlds and now people think he's been "relevant"...
I don't understand hype nuguri is getting, someone will explain it to me?
I can't understand this internet movement worshipping this korean toplaner, I know his career very well and there is nothing to talk about besides one season which they won worlds.
This description says "His split on FPX was less successful" which is a big
understatement, his split on FPX was tragic and disappointing.
At this point in time in comparison with other toplaners he isn't "arguably one of the most influential toplaners in League of Legends History", I don't know how author considers word "influential" but it's nowhere near nuguri's character in game or outside of it, for a quick example you can easliy google his interview with Ashley Kang where he was speaking of himself - this way or another stuff that he was saying doesn't reflect him being "influential".
And don't get me wrong, he was a perfect addition to damwon 2020 but you can't say anything about him being significant in lol history, for me he is on the same page as Ghost, good in his prime but nothing more
i wish he didnt go to fpx :(
You left out Huni. Worlds 2017 Huni was a god. And he pulled pressure from every player in the game. Every team knew Huni couldnt be left alone.
Overrated, Great top but he lasted very little, theshy smeb or khan dominated toplane way longer. if we think of who was the best at his peak marin clears.
"He lasted very little" then proceeds to mentioned marin as the best top LMAO that guy had 2 months peak and fell off LOL. It's only theshy and nuguri that are deserving to be called as the best top laner ever based on their peak and achievements.
@@fvjxznvueaepd8umarin peak was insane tho lol
Learn to read.
So in conclusion Nuguri is a selfish person who just got lucky cause he got Canyon as teammates so he thought he is the best of the best when in reality he is not
you dont know ball stfu
He was overrated ofc. Was amazing and incredible for a year and then fell off.
If he could keep being incredible, then sure you can say that he is the best but not when he only performed on DWG.
Having a collapsed lungs is horrible that surely did damage his skill as a player he may have recovered physically but mentally probably no as a fan of damwon its sad that the only one left is showmaker🥲