NEW DeWalt DCF860 DESTROYS Milwaukee Gen 4... Or Does it?
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- Can the NEW DeWalt DCF860 Dethrone The King of Impacts, The Milwaukee Gen 4 Impact Driver? On paper the DeWalt wins, but is that actually the case???
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We buy Milwaukee because it works good and I like the 5 year warranty, but I do like some dewalt tools! Dewalt makes some good miter saws. But honestly you cannot go wrong with Dewalt, Milwaukee or Makita. Buy whatever is on sale from these brands.
Ive a finish carpenter and i used to use cabled dewalts cause its comercial work but ive been using the battery Milwaukee miter saw its awesome it lasts all day making the same cuts i did with the electric dewalt
@@Felipe-fy4wz yes I also have the m18 12 inch miter saw, but I am having some brake issues with mine. I picked up the dewalt corded saw and it has been amazing so far!
@@harisjaved1379 good to know hopefully i dont get that issue
Bosch is good too
No one is making bad tools there is so much competition and profit margins are so thin you have to be competitive.
im glad dewalt has stepped up their game the past couple of years, especially since they are usually more competitively priced than the milwaukee.
@@haydenjohnson1520 That's what he said
DeWalt has been top notch all along. Not sure what you mean by that
@@user-do2yj5rr2k top quality sure, but until recently they have been behind Milwaukee in both specs and offerings of more specialized tools.
The wind direction was affecting the Milwaukee!!😂
Nah, it's coriolis effect. Milwaukee was optimised for Northern Hemisphere
Right 👍 DeWalts been on roll these last two years putting the smack down in everything and when Milwaukee brought there new high torque DeWalt rained on there party with a impact wrench with turbo which dominated Milwaukee high torque
@@toolscientist Now I want to see people doing the same tests with left handed threads :)
😂😂😂
LOL
At last! A non bias review on these two beasts! Waiting for this kind of review. Thank you!🙌
And that's with i'm in love with the Makita oil impulse driver. Being comfortable, ears not ringing, wrist not sore....that's the most important things to me at this age.
You beat me to it. Be nice if Makita released a new one.
I really like my Milwaukee Surge as well. I'd like to see more development in oil impulse drivers, not in speed or power necessarily, but in adaptability--like installation driver attachments, drywall attachments, right angle, stuff like that. I do not have to drive huge fasteners too often. It handles most everything else well enough.
The oil is really good and I was set on buying one because I hated how loud impacts were. Just before buying I got to try the oil and the dtd171 side by side at a tool show and the 171 blew the oil out the water in every aspect. The 171 had so much power the anvil doesn't even engage so there is no noise unless you're doing big screws and by that point the oil just isn't man enough.
Stay tuned...
@@nominalvelocity Dewalt has another impact driver coming the dcf870 it's hydraulic/oil impulse driven. Hope its good.
Did 10 self-tapping screws back 2 back into metal yesterday and the milwaukee was hot as hell already. 🤣 It's great that these things are getting stronger every year, too bad no manufacturer can beat physics so far.
That’s why I like the idea of Makita XGT, cut the amps in half to reduce that heat a bit for a given power. Also motors tend to run stronger, more efficiently, at higher voltages which is why electric cars are all 400-800v range. If we had micro sized cells with good energy density it would be awesome to crank up the voltage on these power tools, but I don’t think that day is coming this decade.
they're a drag racing machine, with poor heat dissipation thanks to the smaller footprint
А я и не знал , что Милки греются так сильно... Кошмар!
You should've tested driving 20 of those long screws in a row, if the Milwaukee is getting that hot one would think it's just gonna overheat after a bit
There's a korean test video on youtube where someone does, I think, 200 self-tapping screws in a single session measuring temperature every now and then. It did it, but you can cook on egg on it. And grease is probably everyhwere then except where it's supposed to be.
At this point power barely matters because it just destroys the bits and fasteners you’re installing. Lighter and better user experience is what I’ve looking towards. I’ve got a few years old M18 brushless hex driver not sure which generation and the M12 surge has been able to fill its shoes just fine. That said desalt seems to be fibbing a bit.
That's what people with weak tools say to make themselves feel better 😊
@@ryu-kenMeh, I’ll just pull out my 1/2” high torque to show how I’m over compensating.
Its why I like Makita just fine. Ergonomics over brute force for me.
@@gerbil7771 that's a good point. There are impact wrenches when there's need for more torque
I'm with you. I'm sticking with my dcf850 because it is small, light and gets the job done even with the tiny powerstack battery.
Theyre both good drills. Im a Dewalt guy though. I just got the 860 a few weeks ago and am absolutely loving it
Torque test channel just proved that dewalt likes reverse better than forward.
I have the old version of DeWalt and still love it. I recently bought my dad into Milwaukee and he loves his. Both are top notch brands.
Dewalt definitely looks a touch better. Very interesting to watch both tools stop halfway on some screws.
Hitting knots and pushing the impact over its thermal limits from time to time.
@hochhaul No knots.
Isnt that the Milwaukee that has been blowing up its gearboxes on people a lot recently?
4 coworkers of mine have blown apart the plastic shell on their mykey 3/4 Milwaukee impact's. I've had that dcd967 for a year taking on and off 2 inch nuts at 600 ft lbs no problem.
Yep. TH-cam loves to rave about them with these screw contests in garages, but using all day they break apart, and when they don’t they burn your hands.
Not the gearbox, but the planetary gears. TorqueTestChannel has a video on it. The bearings are made of too hard of a metal so they're brittle and break. The Milwaukee also has a problem with the motor quitting entirely, or not shutting off at all, or the lights staying on and killing the battery faster, or breaking the battery mount off just from the vibration.
And thats why i just kept my gen 3. Its a beast. @@SThom27
Nice video and testing. Many manufacturers are really pushing numbers as this is easily seen by users and what many will die for. Honestly, in the real world it doesn’t matter if one driver is 1.5 seconds faster. Users don’t line up 15 fasteners in a row and blast down the line. You drive a fastener, reach over for the next one and set it up to drive. Drop a screw, oops, gotta pick it up. Stop to fart, ok. Feeling tired, gonna be a wee bit slower. Etc, etc. Drill pilot holes first, well then pretty much any test on TH-cam is invalid as no one drills pilot hole first.
True…..faaaarrrrttttttt…..sorry😂
Been tempted to go into the Dewalt line to try their brush less biscuit joiner. So I can compare it against the cordless Makita biscuit joiner.
I literally searched for this video and dang, you just dropped it. Thank you.
You're welcome.
milwaukee gets hot very quickly, means on the long jobs it'll need warranty faster🤷🏻♂️😁
Yes, I'm a commercial roofer and we drove big screws all day... They over heat and had 3 break this year. I like the 3rd gen better
Both are really powerful so much so that most of the fasteners that we commonly use are going to break or the bit will break.
The DeWalt DCF860 with the 1.7Ah PS was only marginally beat by the Milwaukee 2953-20 with Forge 6.0 battery at the end of the video for that 1 test, but in real world use, that package being so much lighter and smaller beats the Milwaukee 99% of the time. Until Milwaukee comes out with a compact pouch battery, DeWalt wins the impact driver battle because they have the best battery to go with it.
I use both brands, about 50/50, I have both batteries and chargers for both brands, I usually research which one is better and get that one, for me that works out the best.
interesting, I also see you have the new hikoki :)
Thanks for making this video mate. Now I’m guessing Milwaukee will get jealous and make a more powerful impact so the fan boys don’t cry for too long. Haha
The Milwaukee isn't underpowered, the DeWALT is TOO powerful
@@fancraft1266 The milwaukee is overpowered as well. They are building these tools to break themselves apart. My makita is very ergo and is also shattering impact rated bits from dewalt and milwaukee. Impact wrench to get the job done if you have to torque over an m10 SHCS the adapter bit explodes, or the bit does. Who cares at this point, get the colour you like and that fits other criteria( small hand I like a smooth Makita)
@@thorinbane totally agree, Makita are slower but it preserves the lifetime of their tools
How often do you drive 12 inch timber screws I use my 12 volt Dewalt driver 98 percent of the time and all of the modern cordless drill are more than capable a few inch pounds either way I dont see the point to me ergonomics is much more important and reliability. thanks for the review anyway but to most everyone its a useless point.
Good video but it seems like always the bigger Hammer wins or heavier the tools is I know with the 5 amp battery with the Milwaukee feels balanced in the hand. what about the DeWalt? 5 or 6amp battery
surprised the dewalt did not do better . Has your forge battery improved with use? I thought the dewalt did very well with that 1.7hr powerstack .
Can you do a comparison between DCF860 and DCF870 (Quiet Hydraulic Impact Driver) ?
I will when I can get one.
I am a milwaukee guy, but I think its pretty clear the Dewalt 860 is better, runs cooler, has more power, and easier to handle. I don't think there is much room for debate. Both impacts had there little moments of failure.
would love to see a comparision between all the impacts.
Thanks for doing this testing! 6:30 - fwiw, in my experience, the 5PS output strength is between that of the 6FV & 9FV; i seem to recall TTC concluding so as well - maybe something up with your 5PS?
should be just slightly below 9fv, but smaller ofc
that's right. No way a good 5 PS is less powerful than a good 6 FV battery. The later is still using old 18650 cells and has lower discharge rate than the 5 PS.
What makes it more impressive is the 5 PS could keep up and beat the Milwaukee with the 6Ah Forge as a few of us know that's the best performing Milwaukee battery available while the 5 Ah PS is not Dewalt's best.
Which means the only way to have no variables between these two is comparing them with regular 5Ah batteries, 6Ah XR vs 6Ah H.O, 8Ah XR vs 8Ah H.O or 3Ah slim vs 3Ah H.O.
How about the Worx 261 that claims 260nM?
see iv gone to maktia i was looking at dewalt but after finding out that if the motor gose bad you have to replace the whole internal components because the world would rather you chuck it away and buy a new one rather than repair it which just adds to waste and Makita feels more premium high-quality
DeWalt is definitely more efficient if it runs cooler and faster
I run almost all Dewalt in my tools and they are all top quality tools but damn the NZ prices are so damn high I sometimes wish I'd gone makita for the massive range and cheaper prices
Dewalt have cheaper combo deals of all the top brands in NZ.
I just saw a video on the new dewalt hydraulic impact driver. Most powerful yet according to them
I have reached the point where I keep a single battery and charger from every major brand because some models outperform the competition while others are lacklustre. Since I work in a shop and have access to power, it's convenient. It wouldn't be practical for use in the field, so I understand why people develop brand loyalty.
Its always down to the composition of the wood. The tools are just as good as the other
I'd really like to see what the actual maximum break away and fastening torque is. Like on bolts or nuts. Great video!! I can't wait till they are released in the US!!
Well you know where to see that when he gets one.
@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL lol facts!! I was hoping maybe you br open to do it, but yeah ttc will do it when they fet one!!
It's hard to test powerful impacts like this on nuts and bolts as they just keep snapping bits.
I had other tests planned but knew they would likely fail after the adapter broke so easily in this vid. That Milwaukee loves breaking them.
Torque test channel has a Dino Run of the 860 and Milwaukee
You should consider doing a torture test video between these impacts and a Makita, see which one breaks first!
Would be a long video, makita would keep going lol
It'd be interesting, but you'd really need at least 5 (and preferably 10) of each brand to get decent info.
Yeah... I don't have enough money for that test.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL How about a donation goal specifically for this test? I'd throw something in 🤷🏻
@@toolscientist Durability tests are probably the easiest thing to comment vs how hard it is to pull off. Plan on covering this a bit tomorrow.
People love to point out how performance means little, all about reliability. Well, this is a youtube video. Try to head to work and film everything you do until a tool naturally fails. Want to do it in a controlled experiment, run a tool until it dies, goes up in smoke? The good tools flash at you and turn off when too hot, and make you take breaks. The bad tools just keep going until on fire. If you test until tools stop running, the cheap tools will always win. If you hammer on a good tool until it fails, people will rightly call that abuse and not relate it to how the tool is used in real world. A simple ask, an impossible task.
Just missed the live debut. How is the dewalts trigger control?
The 9Ah Flexvolt is better than the 5Ah PS, but the 5Ah PS shows less of a voltage drop under high load than the 6Ah Flexvolt. They are about equal, but that 5Ah PS just edges it out. With the form factor and weight, I would take the 5Ah PS every time over the 6Ah Flexvolt for a 20V tool. The 6Ah FlexVolt MAY outperform the 5Ah PS with some tools and vice versa, but it's pretty much even.
Nicely Oiled wooden screen backdrop.
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Do people really drive screws w/out pilot holes w/ bloody impact drivers? I don't understand the *why*
Honestly, it’s actually crazy how every other test that I’ve seen between the two of the Milwaukee has dog walked the DCF 860 I wonder why this is! Either way, I’m proud to see Dewalt stepping it up finally!
He’s next to the Aussies so maybe being upside down changes things a bit?
Where have you seen that ?
@@Juliuscaesar69th tools with soalz just yesterday
@@tylerswain7103 yea me too this guy seems suspect that milwaukee usually drives that fastener faster on everyother channel than it did here
@@tylerswain7103 HaHa Tools with Soalz is about as reliable and trustworthy as Putin.
Could you throw the tdg002 in that mix ? Could be nice to see it compared
It was in the final shot of what's to come in this video.
I wrote it just before the shot hahaha
So yeah, you should compare it
I will
Where i can't bay new DeWalt?
3:53 - wtf was that? It didn't sound or look like it was stalled because of limited torque. It sounded like a miss-timing of the hammer hitting the anvil or smth like that.
That is exactly what impacts do when they don't have enough torque to overcome the friction of the fastener.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL the new TTC video could indicate that this was actually a mistiming of the "spring back dance" which may have lead to a sudden loss of torque during the impacts.
Does the Dewalt have much chuck wobble? Like the dcf887 had.
Even the 840 and 845 is better than the 887!
Now see how big of an impact wrench is needed to beat the Dewalt
that dcf961 is brutal 🤣, nothing tops it
The small fraction that one is faster by means nothing to me. I use Dewalt, i really like there tools. I also have a few Milwaukee tools, i really like them too. Longevity is what I was to see.
Dewalt competes. Damn
This was a good showing. Dewalt is getting a lot of praise for this new driver, very fast especially compared to older models. But is only just ahead of the Milwaukee, did not realize there was such a gap
The best way to test peak torque is by removing lugnuts set at a certain amount of torque. If no torque set tools are available you can also try with a very large lag bolt let's say 1/2" x 10" and see which one can drive it the most over a 20-30 second period.
Setting screws or lagbolt requires torque, of course but it's also an RPM and IPM game. That's why Dewalt at spd 2 would never be able to beat Milwaukee in spd 3 as speed 2 has way less RPMs and IPMs despite having roughly "the same torque".
That's also why a 100Nm drill can do these tasks despite having less than half the torque of these two but would never be able to remove lugnuts.
Seems you missed the part where the socket adapter failed.
The gen 4 may be very close to the dewalt, but the gen 4 also has about a 50% failure rate... They crap out all the time. Not to mention, almost every M18 impact has loose battery problems, which has led to ppl making a strap to wrap around the battery. Like, are you serious right now?? How can you be a fan boy of something like that. Maybe 5 or 10 years ago milwaukee was leading the way, but dewalt is crushing them in the impact wrench and impact driver categories right now. Milwaukee still wins in most other categories, though.
Milwaukee is such a con. All Made in China, not repairable, mid grade tools at best in a fancy housing. They dont last.
Dont care who wins honestly, I want a tool made with longevity and repairability in mind aka Makita, Bosch and Metabo.
Metabo will sell you a Sander for 50 bucks and still provide a parts diagram, spare part list and an electrical diagram so you know how to wire it together when you took it apart.
Most of my tools are DeWalt and I'm a little surprised as DeWalt have never been known for their impacts. P.s on another video someone mentioned that they had some problems with the collet can you confirm this?
What sort of problem and who said it?
Something weird is happening with the Dewalt. At 3:48 it stops driving briefly and starts again and stops again at 3:54. You can hear the sound change as well. Only difference I can see on this particular round is that the fastener appears to be bending sideways implying that pressure is not being applied directly downwards. I wonder if this is causing some misalignment or binding in the impact mechanism? Dewalt impact wrenches can have a similar behaviour at times as well, as noted on TTC (and in personal experience)
Do you use impacts,
or just watch them on TH-cam?
🤣
Do you think before you type, or just go straight to insults because you don't understand?
Is that the panasonic exena I see in there?
I have one it’s nice
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Try putting those screws into seasoned Australian iron bark and see how they go
Post me some
Try the 8ah powerpack
I need an impact drill with finesse. I work with counter sink screws that I like to keep at surface level. And weight matters.
You want the dewalt dcf845 if you want the best all rounder
@@robertpaget809 nah 845 is useless, doesn't have power nor features... if you don't need extreme power makita or hikoki are the way to go
There’s always speed 1
@@riba2233 makita has smooth trigger action ,light weight
It all comes down to what your power tool line up is at the end of the day
@@robertpaget809 ofc
I am just planning to change all my dewalt tools for Milwaukee
Thanks good video.
I’d have the yellow one rather than the red one if I fell out with teal tools 🤟🤟
That's never going to happen Jon!
i recon with some screw the dewalt encounter some weird harmonics thats why it stoped screwing
HOW ABOUT VS DTD173
Taranaki?
I think that being upset over your color tool not being the absolute best on every single test is a silly thing to stress in life, plus the competition between tools leaves the consumer in a better spot because brands will always try to be the top dog. Have an incredible day fellas.
First person to do a real comparison
I just ordered the Dewalt.
I lazered the milwaukee after driving 400 screws it was 155 degrees....my 3rd gen was 98 degrees.
You don't need a lot of torque on the most common fasteners. Unless you are on a construction crew driving lags all day
Up against the latest metabo bolt
Milwaukee is good with torque ratings for their impact drivers. Impact wrenches they have been terrible liars in past 10 years while Dewalt normally hits 100% torque ratings on everything they rate
These competitions are always so close anyway most of the time i would not care what one im using!!!
Hate to ask but how do these stack up against metabo and Makita? My metabo just died so I’m looking for a replacement
What I get from any of these videos: Doesn't matter which brand you buy. Unless you're pushing the tool to its limit 8 hours a day all week. In which case I'd say you're using the wrong tool anyway.
Still don't think the Gen 4 is far better than the Gen 3. Besides the tri-led lights... Doesn't seem like a huge upgrade.
Yeah not that much difference.
The tri LED though. Glad all manufacturers go that route cause it's friggin amazing
The fact that the 1.7 amp powerstack and that drill is keeping up with milwaukee 6amp forge is quite pethetic. 😂
It’s a 5 amp powerstack
@@nestortabullo4133 no, it's not.
Put a big chunky flexvolt in there n see wot it does
I just want to find out if the Dewalt will live a long life, or shit out after a while like your previous model one did …
Me too.
Thats what I care about. I don't make much, I'm interested to see which tool is the most durable and long lasting.
If you want lot of durability, Makita, Bosch, Hilti, Festool are you choices
Maybe the dewalt has higher torque in lower speed
What's that Red HiKOKI, is it new!?
new gen :)
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I've learned dewalt is unreliable over time, used to have the 887 and it crap itself one day now I have the gen 3 milwaukee now? I'm not sure but it came with the milwaukee drill that had their new chuck with the red ring around it.
Out of the box I loved my XR set, but after breaking both hammer drill and impact inside 2 years(no falls) I switched back to makita after being away since my 9.2 volt recip and drill kit in the late 90s. Been a pleasant surprise at the great ergo on them. Now what do I do with all my other dewalt string trimmer, sander, circ saw, blower, osci tool and batteries. Still operate well and will last a long time at home, vs in the shop so its not a total loss.
Both Dewalt and Milwaukee Cordless are unreliable over time. If you replace tools every 3 or 4 years this is not a problem. If you don't want to replace buy Festool, Metabo, Hitachi/Hikoki, Hilti, Makita or Bosch. Basically the Euro or Japanese brands.
Tôi vẫn thích sự nhỏ gọn Của DCF850 nhưng vẫn đam mê DCf860 này
Ain’t competition great? Both are winners in my book.
It's crazy how in most of the ttr videos the dewalt loses. This is one of the few videos where dewalt spanked Mil! I wander if Europe is just getting all the good dewalts lol
Nothing but heavy duty Milwaukee
Flexvolt 6.0 ah is best and has been back up with data multiple times on torque test channel
You mean the 9 ah.
nope, 9ah and 15ah can provide more power.
I mean for size price and also 9ah and 15ah only get 45 more ft-pd on a impact wrench which is nullified by the size of and price of 6 ah flexvolt
@darrenhenderson7076 For an impact wrench, the 6ah is fine, but for higher power draw, the 9ah is far better. It is pricey, though.
Compare it to the new Hikoki WH36DD i believe
Still believe Milwaukee is overall better to invest in but.... dangit Milwaukee 😅
1:15 1:21 Hey bro that 6 ah flexvolt is the old ALL BLACK 1 . The Yellow and Black 6 ah is the newer version which has bit more oomph in it . However the 9 ah "YELLOW/ BLACK" Flexvolt battery is DeWalts top grunt battery just saying . Love your presentation on these 2 driver's. Awesome video, keep it up bro 👍
Both great tools tbh 👍
I heard a rumor about collet retention... hopefully that's just a rumor.
Nice video. Is there a reason you compare the tools with significantly different batteries, such as DeWalt 6ah FV vs Milwaukee stock 5ah? Or Milwaukee 6ah pouch cell vs DeWalt 1.7ah pouch cell? Seems a bit like comparing a base model car to its racing version.
Is this a serious question?
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Yes it is. Genuinely just want to know.
If you watched the whole video, and still asked that question, you will not understand the response.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL You said "I'd like to see, like, the weakest battery on each one up against the strongest battery on the other side sort of thing." Other than for the pure curiosity of it, my question is what information have you gained from this specific comparison? The outcome should have been fairly obvious, as you said you were purposely putting the weakest battery on one end up against the strongest battery on the other. At this point , it seems as though the performance of each actual tool cannot be fairly determined. That is why I said "seems a bit like comparing a base model car to its racing version."
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If you can keep the Milwaukee from exploding itself would rather have a long lasting impact.
Just use the 5 amp batteries thats fair
I think the best way to do these test is to use the same hand same everything. Also will always be surprised more on the Milwaukee side since they use 18v vs most of the others use 20 and above. My issue with dewalt is that is not that different on price point than Milwaukee so like at this point is about preference and what battery you already own.
All 20v batteries are 18v batteries. You have fallen for US marketing. Look at the Dewalt batteries in this video. They all say 18v.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL can't believe people still don't know this lol 😭
So............just pick one. (If you already have one brand; just stick with it).
I really hope that wasnt the friday video mate
Nope. Shit gets wild in the next one in a little over 2 hours.
@@ToolsAndStuffOFFICIAL Thats what i wanted to hear. Nice
They are so close it does not matter!!
1st smart comment here :D 👍