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People are too quick to label a horse as spooky when that is not really the problem.
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ม.ค. 2023
- First impression is that this horse is spooky. Watching all of this horse's actions and reactions it becomes obvious that this horse is not really spooky, In this video I tell you what is really going on with this horse.
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Hey Tim, please never worry about what people online may think of your ideas or methods before posting them up. You have experience with many different horses that 90% of those watching you do not have. People should be able to hear other's opinions without becoming defensive or antagonistic. Just speak your truth as you see it
Couldn't agree more
Totally agree!
This is what my horse does too 😆Chooses when to be “scared.”
My horse had the same head shy and it was due to trauma of having a twitch put on his ear as a 2 year old for acting out and thrown into a stall for 24 hours without food and water- he would have flashbacks and back up , throw his head- took just patience and kindness to halter and bridle him-
When I bought my horse, she was head shy near the ears and did not want to be touched. I had an Osteopath come out and she worked on her and her poll was out. She literally does not mind having her ears or head touched now. She seems much happier and not in pain. That could be the issue. Great videos. Love watching and learning.
Don't worry about what anyone thinks. I find a lot of horse people do not like to change their thinking about what they "think they know" but it is imperative that we keep learning about these beautiful creatures that do so much for us. The most important key to me is building a relationship with your horse. That horse obviously did not have that. Some take more time than others but patience and persistence and the way you go about it, it will happen. Once you have that your horse will do anything for you. Thank you for the video...
This video was extremely valuable. Thank you for making it. In my experience, at least with dogs, many people do not understand behavior, and the meaning behind those behaviors. When that happens, there’s a failure all around and nothing ends up being what the owner or the dog itself really wanted.
I got the same kind of horse..it has taken me two trainers and a whole lot of daily interactions and patience on my part to begin to get the equine partner I thought I was buying. I think it will still take me another year before the perfect cooperative equine partner.
Hi Tim! Since I found your videos, my training has improved and I have learned so much from you to help with my horses and others! Keep up the amazing work!!
This has been our experience with our new mare. We rode and worked with her a month before bringing her home and got a really good idea of how she was. When we arrived home, completely different horse. It’s taken some time but she’s better about our touch. She is difficult to catch and does exactly what this guy does. Bridling her is a nightmare. Looking forward to more videos on fixing this issue!
I totally agree with you! My coach used to react to bad behaviour by saying ‘that’s you!’ if I was out of line…if the mare was being silly he would say ‘that’s her’. Very very rarely he had to say the latter but it did happen and it always surprised me when it did. He never yelled when he blamed her, in fact he looked concerned. I guess he was making a mental note of what he had to fix. The warm and fuzzy crowd get lucky more than I care to think but they eventually get the wake up call that turns their world on its ear. I look forward to seeing the progress videos! Oh another thing, how likely is it that this kind of behaviour could be habit or even his personal test of a human’s resolve to be the lead horse? They can be complex at times from what I have heard and seen for myself.
Sounds like you had a very good coach. Yes it can be complex at times and I think this horse is one of those times. Many times when I do the first video of a horse it is the first or second time I worked it and I have a good idea of whats going on. This horse I worked for about a week before videoing because at first not everything I was seeing added up. As a horse professional and horse owners what we see the horse do are symptoms. We have to consider all of the symptoms as a whole to help the horse. Treating one symptom at a time rarely fixes the problem. This horse's symptoms were very drastic. Horses that can do what I saw this horse do in the sale video rarely are hard to catch in a stall. I don't think this horse is pushing for herd boss. I've done some videos on pushy horses, they want to be the herd boss with the person. They pin their ears or nip to try to make the person move. This horse doesn't do any of that. My general perception is that he doesn't want any relationship with people because he doesn't see what he gets out of it.
@@timandersonhorsetraining that makes sense! Yes my coach was amazing. I miss him. I moved to a different province so I’m on my own with my two horses now. I may have a line on a coach that is supposed to be excellent so hopefully I’ll be starting lessons again. No showing though, just keeping up on what we have learned. I get alot out of your videos! Thank you:)!
Your a very good horse trainer. I study a horse for 2 days before I start working with them. I just think it gives you that personal connection with them. I even feed their horse to. I quit training but people are begging me to do it again. I'm just to sick to do it now. I love your training though He is not scared he just has bad habits that someone didn't correct. I bet he turns out to be a good horse once you correct him. It's all about trust.
Your training is amazing and has done wonders for me and my horses
Thank you for this video, I have a colt I am trying to figure out and he does this sometimes. I will keep these tricks in mind to also help build a bigger bond with him.
Excellent info and advice, thank you. I appreciate your respectful handling of horses, and considering each one individually.
Thanks, Tim, for taking the time to help us keep us safe. I do sometimes wonder about my young horse as she is really quite confident most of the time, but when pressed to go on at the trot (when she does not want to) she looks for an excuse to shy and buck which when posting in an English saddle makes it really scary, luckily the last time I ended up over her neck she stopped dead (just about pulled her head off with one rein to save myself from the fall).
That is actually pretty common behavior for a young horse. Actually, when I get one that doesn't do that, they usually end up getting culled for not having enough grit to make it through training.
Thanks for showing things that need to be done bevor the "actual' Training can even start like so many others do
Great content Tim. It’s so nice that you can share your wisdom and knowledge to help others with issues of their own. ❤️
I enjoy watching u. Your calm voice is wonderful. Thank you for saving horses lives. From New Zealand.
thx always, much appreciated. restarting an OTTB with some fear issues, more than likely from rough handling, so trying to better understand what he needs helps; he has come a long way.
Excellent video
Excellent information.
He doesn't look scared to me, he look reactive at times, but mostly he looks annoyed and disrespectful, just waiting to see if you are worthy of being the leader. He's a cute horse, I had a mustang that looked a lot like him. My methods are a bit different, but I'm sure you will get him where he needs to be!
Much appreciated video. This is such a perfect video to show ppl who do not understand how to balance an animal to make it move, as horses or cattle for example. I tried explain in theory how you work to make them move in a safe and clear way but its never as good as showing them irl or on a video and yours is perfect.
Like 3:03 for example, when you both end up wagging a little before he settles down. you are very good are reading him and making him understand :)
He looks like he doesn’t want to be around a human. I am serious, some people just use their animal. I don’t mean abuse, but use it and this horse truly doesn’t get why he should bother with a human.
Thanks really interesting
Tim my horse does that because a lead rope was put on him muzzle and yanked at by a trainer and ever since he’s head shy. No pain but maybe the memory of pain or the fear of possible pain to come.
I am sure that whatever went on with this horse was caused by people.
Nice work! Thanks for the video. It’s not fear, I agree, but he’s really defensive. Makes one wonder why he’d be so defensive. I think it’s the human factor before he came to you. That doesn’t mean he was beaten, but he was handled unfairly in my mind. So he doesn’t trust people anymore. I’m guessing he’s trusting you, though, and I am confident his faith in you will continue to grow.
Thank you.
what I see is learned avoidance, and defense with an introvertive type. when the head is up and neck braced, it's fight or flight. he had some good treatment, but the bad is evident. he does show the right response in seeking your hand for rubbing. he seems like he was never given the opportunity and freedom to choose the right answers, and reprogram his brain to de-escalate. right now he doesn't trust. notice he doesn't lick, chew, ever bring his head down or really breathe.
Big tell was when you patted his back and he never flinched and his hide never twitched.A scared one would have done both. Nice call on your part.Treating a touchy,resistant one like they are scared just rewards bad behavior and creates a real mongrel instead of making him better.Nice work.
Thank you.
I get the sense that this horse hasn't had a good experience with people. He's not jumping out of his skin scared, but he's definitely tense and weary. It's sad because when you rub his head you can see that he could really enjoy being loved on.
Great video! Determining the actual status of a horses behavior is always the key to moving forward. Every horse has their own personality. I would never buy any horse from a video. Wonder if the new owner actually handled this horse before purchase?
Buying horses from a video is risky but this owner has bought several and this is the first that is not what he was presented as.
How do horses become sour? And what do we do about it in a way where this sourness goes away to where they want to ?
That is what I will be converting in the coming videos of this horse.
@@timandersonhorsetraining I would like to add unless you know the complete history of a horse it's hard to say especially being that they have long lives and could have had many situations that affected them. Unless we know we can only assume and work from there. I look forward to your video...
Yes it is impossible to say specifically what happened to any specific horse. It is impossible to say with certainly what happened to cause the behaviors it is well known what actions cause certain behaviors and from that we can apply training methods to change the undesired behaviors into desired behaviors.
Thank you for the great video, you are rite
Great video!
What do you think causes this behaviour? I have a similar horse. He just does not seem to like people much.
I think it starts with a horse that has a poor attitude about contributing positively to the herd group then pultiplied when asked to do something. I don't see this often but I have seen it several times before.
Look forward to head shy help
The video I put out after this one you would probably find helpful.
Tim great video, thanks for sharing. Do you know his breeding?
No I do not know his breeding.
@@timandersonhorsetraining he is not a Friesian Arab cross by chance?
Could be, don't know.
Not every horse wants to be a high level riding horse. At least, initially. Simple fact.
He is scared....he shies his head away from your quick hand movements. Most horses don't like their ears touched and it's something that needs a lot of work on. I suspect that he's not had enough work done on accepting gentle stroking of his ears.....he hated you going near them, and flinched when you "waved" the rope at his face. There's an issue there from the past. Nothing to do with not wanting to work......horses don't think like that.
This horse in the wrong (i.e. unprofessionell) hands is going to lead to hell for the horse. Be blessed.
What ever happened with this horse? I don’t see any follow up video.
There wasn't one. I told the owner he was not going to fit what he wanted and he picked him back up.
I see a REALLY sour horse.
Definitely not afraid... Disrespectful/ not trusting. Probably been forced and cowboyed .. 😔
his first problem is genetic. His second problem is lack of respect. So get him in the round corral so he can move then you can teach him some respect. AS for the genetics you're just going to have to put up with the bad attitude