Hinderer XM 18 VS Chris Reeve Inkosi - Battle of Legends
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I have both the Inkosi and the triway system xm18 3.5 “ full Ti. This 2 knifes are so different, one feels like a gentleman knife made to perfection and the other a brute piece of art that can handle anything. Both are stunning in their own style.
I have both as well but in the 3” versions and I agree, deff completely diff style knives worth owning!
He isn't speaking nonsense. You need to learn the lingo.
@@PS987654321PSoh man... move along tourist
Really good comparison. I own both, and I prefer the Inkosi. The inkosi has a bit more neutral handle, were the Hinderer fits perfect in one particular way of handling. But for pull cuts or a reverse grip the inkosi feels better as I experienced. And funny enough, in the Netherlands the Hinderer is almost 100 euros more expensive than the Inkosi.
First off, lets all take a moment to appreciate your handwriting.........
Now, that was a seriously comprehensive review! I would really like to see more breakdowns using this same format. I think I would have to go with the Hindered, mostly because it has a flipper. I really like to fidget with my EDCs, so a flipper is a must. Or a Spydie hole :D
Good video. I was all set to set my sights on the Inkosi and save up, but now you've muddied the waters and I'm eyeing an XM-18 too :P
Excellent review. I had an eklipse and loved it. Many CRKs and ultimately enjoy the CRK more. Although, the customization of Hinderer knives really are appealing.
A+ on penmanship!!!!
Great review! Own both and tough choice. One has the ability to customize, two hand positions, and to me looks cool. One feels like a gentlemen's knife, superior warranty with spa treatments, and easier to carry in pocket. Either one is a great choice and even better is to own both. Bought both and no buyers remorse. Now I need different versions of both. Never ends!!
The grip, blade shape and grind, weight and ease of maintenance; it is the Inkosi by a good margin for me.
Nice vid!
The Inkosi is more appealing to my eyes and it would be on my radar if it was fidget fun. Fast and easy deployment and retraction is important to me as a tool. But these beauties are a bit more than that. The Vintage XM 18 is the coolest Hinderer knife I've seen and makes me reconsider my budget and past purchases. I've spent considerably more on various budget knives than both of those combined. Thanks for another good overview.
Great video! I love the XM knife you shown at 12:34 for comparison. Especially the brown handle and copper like hardware. Beautiful ! Would you share the detail of that and where are they available?
Great comparison vid of the two high end production knives on the market. Like you the addiction is strong.
i've handled both but since I'm a lefty, the hinderer slips on me and i got the left-handed large inkosi.
Good discussion--- #carryyourgrails
Thank you for covering lefty issues so thoroughly. Many reviewers ignore this topic completely. Much appreciated.
This is a great review for someone planning on buying one of these knives someday....thank you!!
Just noticed the logo in your scale...thats baddass bro!
Thank you!!
So many comments about your handwriting. lol I felt the key thing for the Inkosi was moving the clip off the lock bar. I returned the 21 I bought because I kept engaging the lockbar while holding it since the clips sat on the bar. With the 31 moving the clip and tweaking the detent ball I think they could put the Inkosi to retirement. Enough similarities I doubt the Inkosi will be missed over the long haul.
15:12-15:23 I’m glad you said that!! It’s actually mind boggling that most folks don’t take that into consideration. Common sense ,, right?
These two folders are without a doubt top dogs 🙌🏻
I honestly don't think any hinderer variation is going to cut better than a CRK hollowgrind.
Yeah, paper's probably not the best test material for that.
Do you think s45vn ,20cv ,m390 are they about all equal?
I like how the Inkosi has a huge pivot and how it doesn’t have a bushing pivot can be a pro or a con honestly. But I do like that the Sebenza is significantly thinner behind the edge compared to the Inkosi since it’s a true hollow grind and honestly the Inkosi is more of a flat. I wish they had don’t more of a hollow.
Hey MC, I really enjoyed this video. I'd like to see more head to head comparisons videos. I think they could be very good for your channel growth.
Just pulled the trigger on a xm 18 3.5, got it in blk g10 and bronze ti. Extremely happy
Great video, great and honest insights! Thank you. :-)
Thanks for the excellent in depth review of two high quality USA made production folding knives. Both of these brands have always remained out of reach until now and I find myself considering between the Chris Reeve Umnumzaan and the Hinderer 3.5" XM-18 Non Flipper Spear Point both from DLT Trading. I am curious as to how the price point of $450.00 and $425.00 respectively was determined, I certainly appreciate the build quality, blade steels and the fact that both are USA made. This channel has become a new favorite of mine.
Both seem like great knives but I think the one category the Chris Reeve got shafted was Ergo. With all that chamfering and finger recesses as well as the angled clip which makes it invisible to the hand…. Seems like it should have taken that category. Otherwise great comparison. 👍
Thanks so much for this video. I am sure I will own both of these knives at one point. Right now I am kinda leaning towards the xm 18 skinny. It’s a little lighter, and I think it will carry a little better, but still have the same blade size.
I like that the inkosi comes with full ti as standard. For the price of a hinderer i shouldn't have to buy addons to get a proper handle. Still wan't a xm18 but there's no reliable way to get one....i never win these lottery drops.
Great video on many levels! A shorter version would be helpful!
I really wish I knew how to make short videos. I cant stop talking.
What is the end all be all pocket knife? I own many. I'm still trying to find one that knocks all of the rest out of my pocket.
Good question. I'm still searching
I say, if you can get both! because I think these two folders are amazing production knifes! but you can customize the hinderer to your liking .
Call it stupid but aesthetics are huge for me and I just don’t like the hinderer so it’s out for me on that note. Beyond that, I just prefer smaller knives. Even when I carried a dragonfly, which I did for years.. several variants, I never really felt like I needed more. For me, the small seb is ultimately my perfect, possibly endgame knife. I’ve owned two.. an insingo with micarta, and a plain standard. I got the insingo first.. it was literally the only one available locally so I bought it.. never really felt the blade tho.. and my girlfriend at the time definitely threw it out while I was at work one day. Fml. It was several years before I was ready for another but I recently found a couple locally and pulled the trigger. And on that, I’m pretty content on knives.
I don’t have a massive collection but I’ve bought one or two “high end” blades a year for the past decade. My last one before the seb was a zt0450.. it seemed like the perfect compromise between another crk and something cheaper.. the 0450 so great and a lot of fun to play with, but there were two things I disliked.. first, the flat grind. I was carrying a sanrenmu 7010 before it and never realized how important the hollow grind was to me until I got the ZT. Second, it’s difficult to unlock the blade without changing my grip. It lacks the cutout that makes the lock more accessible. It’s also just a little large for my tastes.. this is kind of offset by its overall slimness though and I’d be totally happy to be stuck with one as my only knife. It’s still got a place in my rotation but the small seb leaves me wanting for nothing.
Just made the purchase of the inkosi never held one so very excited!!
Just became a heroic metal knight! Glad to support this fantastic content! I feel very noble and chivalrous. I am here to serve, my king. I vow to protect your kingdom. Monthly. With my dollars lol
Awesome! Thanks so much!!!
I definitely prefer CRK’s. Lighter weight, slimmer in the pocket and cut better. Hinderer 3 inch non flipper, with the slicer grind is my preferred Hinderer model, because in my experience it makes for the best edc. I also prefer older XM-18 generation models, but wish they would have milled off some of the weight. If I didn’t mind pocket hogs I’d choose the SNG over both Hinderer & CRK.
Awesome review ....your making my decision that much harder...:), Also the Hinderer looks more heavy duty.
Damen0530 Hinderer hands down.
Reeve all the way!
You guys were very helpful. I bet that didn’t make him feel conflicted at all lol
Good and comprehensive review. However I don't understand your test about cutting performance. Slicing paper only test the secondary bevel and have nothing to do with the thickness of the blade or the real cutting performance when you cut a non thin material.
The paper cut test is just meant to provide a minimal description of what I feel in terms of resitance on a very simple level. If I got any more complicated than paper, it would not only extend the video WAY past it's already lengthy duration, but it would also open up multiple doors for endless debate. I know how complicated the world of edge geometry is, and I don't want to create a breeding ground for argument.
But...
Here's how I look at it: If I have 2 blades 1.0" tall, one at 0.15" thick, and the other at 0.1" thick, and both are fully flat ground, the 0.1" thick blade will end up much thinner behind the edge. In this case, the starting thickness would change the outcome, especially when cutting materials that create major friction. If you had two blades at the SAME height and thickness, the outcome would be the same unless the grinds were different, such as the grinds on the XM and Inkosi (flat/hollow)
To your point, if I was going to cut a shingle, and all I had to choose from was either the standard 0.165" XM 18 or the 0.145" Inkosi, I would Imagine the Inkosi would be better, given it is a thinner blade AND hollow ground. However, like I said in the video, the XM offers a "skinny" (0.145" thick) model. My guess is in that case, considering they are roughly the same height as well, they would perform nearly the same on a shingle, even though the grinds are different. Considering all that, scoring them evenly still makes sense to me. So ya, the paper cut test doesn't help explain all this, but it creates a quick visual, and helps dismiss the idea that "thick blades can't cut" (I.E. Medford, Hinderer, etc)
See, now I'm opening a can of worms 😂. Crap.
It's crazy that I'm watching this 5 years later, and value was a tie because of a $25 difference, but now the Inkosi has gone up in price so the difference is now $75 from the XM-18.
I know I'd love to have both. But the Hinderer is the one I want the most.
Fartsniffing on steels is something that people newer to the hobby are doing. I'd say if you're newer to knives you'll love a hinderer, once you're seasoned you'll go CRK. 20cv and M390 are amazing, but s35vn particularly CRK s35vn is easy to sharpen - doesn't chip as easy, and is plenty corrosion resistant.
doesnt shirogorov make a tool to take arart the xm18?
Great video. I had sebenza 21 and xm-18 3.5. After couple of years, I sold crk and got a Microtech SOCOM elite. Crk is an amazing knife but it was just so delicate and sophisticated looking. It is a robust, absolute monster of a knife but just the look of it, it was too sophisticated for my taste. I still place sebenza as the Top knife out of strider, hinderer, and crk. Yet I personally have no problem carrying xm-18 everyday and use it everyday. Crk.... Not so. Much. Lol
Yory... I doubt JS Shin needs me to defend him here (especially since his comment is a year old), but...
sit down and shut up.
You're consistently annoying though man. Every time I see your name down here, it's followed by a bunch of pretentious bs. Maybe just cool it a bit.
Bro it makes me sad that you dont use your grail.. think of it this way.. eventually would your children or grandchildren think fondly of a knife never used by you? Or would they want the knife you always took out of your pocket to open their birthday presents etc.? My ZT0392BWBRZ could probably go for a lot of money right now but it's my main knife. I carry it probably 75% of the time. So if I put my daughter in front of my knife collection and ask her which one is daddy's favorite? Bam. Carry your shit bro 👊 just my heirloom mindset. And also assuming you want kids I suppose lol
On another note I really freaking want that new vintage series in a Bowie blade. Its crazy to me that he didnt make those. A Bowie blade would fit that so perfectly!
Well, I always keep one Hinderer grail, but I actually have 2 gen 4 XMs on rotation. If you look back at my videos, you'll see i've owned many Hinderers. Keeping one perfect is just an odd thing I like to do.
@@metal_complex a little odd but to each his own brother 👍 Not uncommon in IG land that's for sure
Bryce Parker
The Vintage does have a Bowie version
www.knifecenter.com/item/RHKK2032S0VTSM/rick-hinderer-knives-vintage-series-tri-way-xm-18-3-5-flipper-knife-0-1-black-parkerized-bowie-blade-smooth-walnut-wood-handle
I can’t find this exact Henderer for sale, can any one help?
Gone. Secondary market is your best bet.
I love the Sebenza for the pivot bushing alone. The Inkosi is excellent as well but I love that you can just crank the Sebenza down to the point where thread tension is high enough to not need loctite to not hurt the action.
Not a big fan of the xm18 but I like the full track a lot. Both makes excellent blades
I know I’m going to buy a Hinderer at some point in the near-ish future because I want it to be a part of my collection and I love that he’s based in Ohio, I just don’t like asymmetric nature of his knives although the customization that it allows is really cool. Have been into knives for like a week and already carry a large PJ DP S45VN Inkosi.
If you have the firetac still, I'd love to see a comparison and thoughts on xm 18 and firetac
I wish I did, but I sold it a while back.
@@metal_complex ah damn. Did you not like it in the end?
Im trying to decide if I want something as overbuilt as the Xm or if I want something less bulky but still somewhat overbuilt like the FT.
Its hard without handling either one ha..
Anyway, keep up the videos, enjoying your content :)
I liked it, but the gen 6 was coming out, and I needed quick funds to aquire one at the time 😁
ill take a hinderer handle, with an inkosi blade/grind witha flipper.
Man I want a 3.5" TriWay XM18 Spanto so bad...
Oh also one of the Large CRKs Umnumzaan, Inkosi, or Sebenza, I still am undecided.
The small sebenza and xm18 are deff my fav two knives. But the sebenza is deff my fav, I have 3 of them! Currently only 1 xm18 but it’s badass. Wharnecliff with forged carbin scale and bronze hardware
How about resale value factored in?
They both will hold their value! Probably go up over time.
I don't know why but I've never liked the look of the CRK's I've seen. I haven't handled them so that helps because I'd probably love them if I used one. I thought I disliked Benchmade until I saw the 940-1 and I bought it immediately so I can definitely be swayed.
Story of my life
I love my 940-1 and the axis lock. Though I’ve been carrying the spyderco kapara. It’s only s30v but it’s a very nice knife.
@@gmoney5947 good choice! Love mine.
Metal, are you going to sell any of your XM 18's anytime soon?
Oh they're all gone except one. I always sell the one I keep before buying the next
@@metal_complex well shoot... Missed the cut.
Your videos are really informative and enjoyable to watch. Thanks for contributing to the community.
I had both as well as a Norseman. I ended up selling all my knives except the Norseman, my Delica, and SAK.
Congratulations, looks like your friend sold you or traded you the CRK incosie.
IMO the Small Sebenza is the best CRK. I agree that the Large Inkosi is a better knife than the Large Sebenza, because I feel like the Sebenza design is a perfect small EDC knife design, and the Large Sebenza feels like a small knife blown up a bit. A small knife that you don't flick out and fidget with just makes sense. The smaller pivot hardware makes more sense on the small Sebenza. It just feels right in the small, and the Large feels awkward. The Inkosi feels like what the Large should be to me. In the same way, the 3" XM feels like a novelty mini of the 3.5".
Nice video, I am debating picking up a 3" xm 18 for $325 off BF... Think I should pull the trigger on it?
YUUUUP !!!!!
@@frankrice1253 ha do you have one? Thinking it could replace my zt 450. But $325 is so expensive for me. Really tempted ha
I agree with Frank 👍
@@mrstarfishh33 -- I dont have a 3 inch but, I have a full size. You cant go wrong with a Hinderer of any kind imo- they're just great- keep in mind, the absolute bulletproof warrenty carries over from owner to owner. So yes, they're alot of $-- but, its better to have 2 or 3 great knives rather than 10 or 15 so so blades--- just my opinion. (So, so = $ 50 to $100 )
I did not know the warranty carried over. Thats awesome! Frank is 100% correct. You can't go wrong with Hinderer!
Hinderer sure does have a lot of options to choose from. Sure would be nice if they included left handers as 1 of there millions of options 🤨
Agreed
I would say inkosi fits better in pocket compared to hinderer. Hinderer wins in flipping opening action and blade steel options. Inoksi has better tolerance, simplicity and lower weight. In terms of framelock strength it should be draw because tacticial vs gentleman framelock makes no difference. Thats why i think harduse framelocks knives are gimicky since all framelocks are ideal for light use. Harduse should be handed to coldsteel or fixed blades. Between the 2 knives, the winner would be hinderer for me but I would carry a spyderco framelock or zt framelock for half the price.
A lot of what you're buying with either knife is pride of ownership, and aesthetic refinement. The ZT 0562ti is essentially the same knife as my full ti xm, but it lacks the added touches, and I know it's not "truly" a Hinderer. I love it, but for me, it will never steal the spotlight from my XM. There are many knives that perform just as well for less money, but I'd get bored with them. It's different for everyone. I like to buy knives that make me happy, and the XM brings me more happiness than the 0562ti.
I agree it just depends between every user. I owned a hinderer before but ended up selling it. Im just becoming more realistic in what I think is more practical due to price and performance. @@metal_complex Spyderco, Zt, coldesteel, buck knives are very practical in the edc use for me. I also owned midtechs and customs but it wasnt for me after 2 years.
@@metal_complex man I hear what your saying here and I agree 1000%! I bought the 0562ti first, then after purchasing 2 xm 18 3.5" I find the ZT in my sock drawer permanently! Which is sad because the 0562 is such a great knife!
The Inkosi has also a Tanto Blade.
You know what would be great? A comparison in between the Sebenza and the Inkosi.
And in between the XM18 and the Full Track
😃
Where did you get a Zero Tolerance Scale? 😂
You should do a video comparing these two against the benchmade cf elite presidio 2 ($130) and superfreak ($190). Good quality, warranty, price, comparable size, left or right usable and better lock.
S35vn really tougher than M390?
Availability is as important
Thx for sharing
Can’t go wrong with both!!!
Also the sebenza has 3 blade styles. You forgot tanto
Again, old video. Thanks, but I'm aware.
You have IMPECCABLE handwriting sir!
Lol thanks 🤣
I like the Inkosi
Hinderer hands down for customization hinderer is the glock of the knife world
So you're saying they start out lackluster but "reliable" but at least you can dump a ton of money into them to make them what they should be coming out of the factory @ the price point? Bad analogy.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but to my eye the CRK is the better looking knife and it isn't particularly close.
Did you really just cut a piece of paper roughly 3 times to determine which knife performs better as a cutter??? I can sharpen a wedge and cut a piece of paper and not have any resistance.
Old video. I've moved passed this on my channel for this exact reason.
Best knife review ever. Congratulations.
Even though it’s been said, your handwriting was the gem of this review.
🤣
ZT0392 the hinderer design but just better than hinderer.
The value as you darn well know goes to Hinderer due to the better steel alone. 🤔 😂 just say it.
You have beautiful handwriting. No homo.
i wish all the hinderers were just 20CV or S35vn/S45vn it just feels weird to have such a quintessential american made knife and not use an american steel
Don’t be fooled by the look of the inkosi, Although gentleman folder like, that thing can handle heavy duty task. I have both and the inkosi feels more solid than my xm-18. Not to mention the easy maintenance of the inko. Great video as usual.
Metal Complex shreds more paper than Bernie Madoff
XM18 probably better matched against the umnum
Inkosi all the way. Hinderer is less accessible, less well made. Inkosi has better manufacturing as reviewed by the industry AND comes in a lefty. At the price hinderer doesn't even bother to provide such. Hinderer is on the list with all its "options" if and only if you're right handed. Hinderer cancels out an entire segment of the market.
I disagree. Having handled multiple examples of both, I can confidently say Hinderers are made equally well. That may have been true 3 or 4 years ago, but not anymore. They are literally indistinguishable in terms of fit and finish. Hinderer may not currently offer a left handed model, but they definitely will. On top of that, not only do you have more aesthetic choices, but Hinderer provides more functional choices as well. Blade shapes, steel choices, skinny/fatty variants, plus the option to use any pivot set up you want with the tri way system. I went over all this in the video. Chris Reeve makes a fantastic knife, but Hinderers shouldn't be overlooked just because they don't currently have a left handed framelock set up. (They do currently offer scales with left handed pocket clip mountable positions)
@@metal_complex They should. If you're left handed. Not paying that price to get by or make due on handedness. Hinderer is more than overdue to correct that oversight ESPECIALLY at the price. Knives are hand tools. Hinderer sidelines an entire segment of the market by not offering an option for both hand orientations at cost ESPECIALLY considering the price point and how much customization they have invested in in every other aspect. Not justifiable to ignore handedness accross the segment at base price.
Don't you think Rick Hinderer's current trend of catering to the needs of the many will inevitably lead to him creating a left handed variant? Sure they're late to the game... but it'll happen, and then everyone will have to find something else to complain about.
@@metal_complex All that stated... I like your review here. AND good choice in knives man. I'm a fan.
@@metal_complex I've actually called them before on that one to inquire. It was a while back, but was told there were "no plans". And at that, you would think they'd at least offer a drilled and tapped left side scale at no xtra cost. I mean seriously, how much time/expense is that? As a hobby knife maker I can tell you, nearly zero. 10 min max. If done by hand and slowly. Not a mere complaint, or quibble, or nice to have at this price... Honestly, would you buy a $4-500 left handed knife? That's kinda where I am with Hinderer.
In my opinion the XM-18 should've won on value. I get what you're saying about the $400-$450 bracket but I still don't think $25 is that trivial. It all adds up. Enjoyed the battle nonetheless, had never seen this one.
But I still respect your content
get both
Good video
East vs West
Hinderer cant even hold a candle to any CRK including mnandi :)
Whatever dude 😜
I think chris reaves is a rip off I have the mini sabenza. I never use it at all it's been in a drawer for 2 plus years. The xm18 is a beautiful knife and is better in every way in my opinion.
Spoiler alert: tie 😂🤣😂🤣
You write like a printer.