100 % a goal. The defender in white at the top of the arc puts blue #25 onside. Attacker who scored was behind the ball when #25 passed it to her left. This is a good goal, no offside in both cases.
@@diegobarboza-z4u you need to go back to when the original kick was by the blue player near centre stripe. At that point' blue 25 was onside. The determination of offside is not when it is played by white defender. It is when it is played by BLUE. If it is a deliberate play by white, blue positioning is a moot point. If it is not deliberate and is a deflection, then we must determine the status of the blue player. Which goes back to the kick from near centre. Therefore, onside and this goal should stand. So, you need to educate yourself on the Law. So, it is more than just "touching" the ball by the defender in determining offside. I hope this helps you as an official. If you are not an official, please do not embarrass yourself by commenting that people are wrong when you clearly do not know the LOTG. So....I am not wrong.
The review comes down to whether or not there is clear and indistinguishable evidence that an error occurred. A lot of people in these comments are really popping off in confidence that the player who received the ball first was onside, but if you freeze frame it at the appropriate ... I don't know how anybody can be so confident in saying onside. The angle, as good as it is, is not enough ... there are touch tight moments with heels off the ground between both players that could have lead to either one of them being behind the other at any given moment. That to me is what this is about. It *looks* like it was probably onside, but that isn't enough to overturn the call on the field. By the same token, had the official decided the call on the field was onside and it was a good goal, there would be equally not enough evidence to overturn it. This is what happened on PSU's first goal, which was reviewed for offside as well but stood, even though on the replay it appeared to be offside with the angle. In every controversial moment of review in this game, the tyranny of the on the call field was absolute. Both Penn State goals, several incidents that could have given UNC a PK, the red card review, the final goal in OT (had it been reviewable)... all of the calls on the field stood because there was no where near enough evidence to overturn it.
0:43 The call on the field was GOAL (at least that's what the announcers said twice). And the video is pretty clear the attacker was onside. If the call on the field WAS offside, then I could see this maybe being too close to overturn.
@@SamuelPearlman At :46, when the all is struck, a PSU player is offside. An offside is called when the ball is kicked. There is no waiting to see who plays the ball after that.
@@RSQ-z4m That is 100% incorrect. Offside is a violation. Just because "some other player" was in an offside position does not result in an offside call, and offside is DEFINTELY not called when the ball is kicked. Whether or not a player was in an _offside position_ is judged when it is kicked, but the violation is judged after that player interferes. As this is a US college match I'll quote from the appropriate Rulebook: "Rule 11: Offside. t is not an offense to be in an offside position. [...] A player shall be declared offside and penalized only if, at the time the ball touches or is played by a teammate, the player is in an offside position and then: 11.2.1 interferes with an opponent ... 11.2.2 interferes with play by touching or playing a ball that was passed or touched by a teammate; or 11.2.3 gains an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent ..."
@RSQ-z4m this statement is incorrect. Happens all the time when a player is in an offside position and another ayer who was not offsides plays the ball with no foul called
Fairly easy decision as they got it right. Defender was not in playable position as ball was well-hit to her opposite site thus reactionary deflection to Penn in offside position....ergo, gaining an advantage. Great job crew.
If it was a "reactionary deflection" as you describe. You need to go back to the last time BLUE played the ball. You can only be offside when it is played by a teammate. So, when blue played it, #25 was onside. Therefore it doesn't matter where blue is when it deflects off of the white defender. The determination of offside is not at this moment. Yes, if, when the ball was kicked by blue, #25 was in an offside position, and it was a deflection, she would be offside. But, she wasn't. Goal stands.
You can't say that the defender wasn't in a playable position simply because the ball was played to her non-dominant foot. It was very easily playable if she chose to use her right, instead of reaching across her body with her left. And besides being a deliberate play, the attacker who received the ball was onside when the ball was played by her teammate. I'm really wracking my brain trying to understand why the referees let the offside call stand after review.
@Camden0800 yes they were at time of initial blue kick to UNC #2. That is clear and obvious. Yet, second phase of play she would be onside. However, the initial call negates following opportunities.
@@ShaunFlemingno need to rack as the officials, including self watching phase of play, UNC #2 was running to left appearing to anticipate yet ball delivery was to inside. We are taught to confirm if defender was in playable position and with her right foot she would have also had to reach... rather....if she missed ball entirely, would penn have been in offside position? Start there and work backwards. Cheers...🎉
ONSIDE both times.
#5 white makes a deliberate play on the ball, making the position of the blue players irrelavent. Should be a good goal.
100 % a goal. The defender in white at the top of the arc puts blue #25 onside. Attacker who scored was behind the ball when #25 passed it to her left. This is a good goal, no offside in both cases.
You're wrong, there is a new where a if an oppenent touches the ball and your in an offside position will be called
@@diegobarboza-z4u you need to go back to when the original kick was by the blue player near centre stripe. At that point' blue 25 was onside. The determination of offside is not when it is played by white defender. It is when it is played by BLUE. If it is a deliberate play by white, blue positioning is a moot point. If it is not deliberate and is a deflection, then we must determine the status of the blue player. Which goes back to the kick from near centre. Therefore, onside and this goal should stand. So, you need to educate yourself on the Law. So, it is more than just "touching" the ball by the defender in determining offside. I hope this helps you as an official. If you are not an official, please do not embarrass yourself by commenting that people are wrong when you clearly do not know the LOTG. So....I am not wrong.
@@johnandrews5141 So the officials on the field looking at a replay were wrong? I've got my money on them, not you.
@@diegobarboza-z4u can you quote the rule? I'm reading the NCAA rules and don't see anything that would make this offside.
The review comes down to whether or not there is clear and indistinguishable evidence that an error occurred. A lot of people in these comments are really popping off in confidence that the player who received the ball first was onside, but if you freeze frame it at the appropriate ... I don't know how anybody can be so confident in saying onside. The angle, as good as it is, is not enough ... there are touch tight moments with heels off the ground between both players that could have lead to either one of them being behind the other at any given moment. That to me is what this is about. It *looks* like it was probably onside, but that isn't enough to overturn the call on the field.
By the same token, had the official decided the call on the field was onside and it was a good goal, there would be equally not enough evidence to overturn it. This is what happened on PSU's first goal, which was reviewed for offside as well but stood, even though on the replay it appeared to be offside with the angle.
In every controversial moment of review in this game, the tyranny of the on the call field was absolute. Both Penn State goals, several incidents that could have given UNC a PK, the red card review, the final goal in OT (had it been reviewable)... all of the calls on the field stood because there was no where near enough evidence to overturn it.
0:43 The call on the field was GOAL (at least that's what the announcers said twice). And the video is pretty clear the attacker was onside. If the call on the field WAS offside, then I could see this maybe being too close to overturn.
Two players were offside as of when the pass *was made*. It does not matter what what happens to the pass.
One was onside #25 . Who eventually played the ball.
The attacker who ran onto the ball was onside, freeze the video when it is kicked by the offense.
@@SamuelPearlman At :46, when the all is struck, a PSU player is offside. An offside is called when the ball is kicked. There is no waiting to see who plays the ball after that.
@@RSQ-z4m That is 100% incorrect. Offside is a violation. Just because "some other player" was in an offside position does not result in an offside call, and offside is DEFINTELY not called when the ball is kicked. Whether or not a player was in an _offside position_ is judged when it is kicked, but the violation is judged after that player interferes. As this is a US college match I'll quote from the appropriate Rulebook:
"Rule 11: Offside. t is not an offense to be in an offside position. [...] A player shall be declared offside and penalized only if, at the time the ball touches or is played by a teammate, the player is in an offside position and then:
11.2.1 interferes with an opponent ...
11.2.2 interferes with play by touching or playing a ball that was passed or
touched by a teammate; or
11.2.3 gains an advantage by playing the ball or interfering with an opponent ..."
@RSQ-z4m this statement is incorrect. Happens all the time when a player is in an offside position and another ayer who was not offsides plays the ball with no foul called
Correct call. 1st PS touch was offsides when she touched the ball. Ref got it right
completely wrong, first player who touched the ball is clearly onside bc the girl in white is behind her. goal should have stood
Just freeze-frame it when it was kicked by her teammate, she was actually kept onside by the defender next to her who was running forward.
Fairly easy decision as they got it right. Defender was not in playable position as ball was well-hit to her opposite site thus reactionary deflection to Penn in offside position....ergo, gaining an advantage. Great job crew.
If it was a "reactionary deflection" as you describe. You need to go back to the last time BLUE played the ball. You can only be offside when it is played by a teammate. So, when blue played it, #25 was onside. Therefore it doesn't matter where blue is when it deflects off of the white defender. The determination of offside is not at this moment. Yes, if, when the ball was kicked by blue, #25 was in an offside position, and it was a deflection, she would be offside. But, she wasn't. Goal stands.
You can't say that the defender wasn't in a playable position simply because the ball was played to her non-dominant foot. It was very easily playable if she chose to use her right, instead of reaching across her body with her left. And besides being a deliberate play, the attacker who received the ball was onside when the ball was played by her teammate. I'm really wracking my brain trying to understand why the referees let the offside call stand after review.
Neither of the attackers were in an offside position at any point……
@Camden0800 yes they were at time of initial blue kick to UNC #2. That is clear and obvious. Yet, second phase of play she would be onside. However, the initial call negates following opportunities.
@@ShaunFlemingno need to rack as the officials, including self watching phase of play, UNC #2 was running to left appearing to anticipate yet ball delivery was to inside. We are taught to confirm if defender was in playable position and with her right foot she would have also had to reach... rather....if she missed ball entirely, would penn have been in offside position? Start there and work backwards. Cheers...🎉
Not a goal.