This is my perspective based on my time spent promoting and hosting events. Perception is 9/10ths of reality. Regardless of how I feel about anyone’s cars being in an event, it won’t matter if we lose car count. And, the latest problem facing small tire no prep races, is that there are so many, that it’s hard to get the car counts we used to get 4 years ago. If there’s a big event that’s sponsored and promoted like Dig or Die, I can guarantee eventually someone close to Rockingham will host a pop up race that appears 2 weeks before the big race and takes car count away. It happens every weekend
Hit the nail on the head IMO Bill, the draw of no prep has been that lower budgets can be competitive and have a chance, just like how the street was a great equalizer. If big money tube chassis cars start becoming more and more the norm you lose allll those lower budget cars that won't bother to show anymore which make up way more of a car count and car count is what keeps tracks and events alive. I also agree with your point about the number of no prep races hurting more than helping, just the other week before rain screwed up most of Ohio racing in general I think there was three different Ohio tracks let alone neighboring states that had no prep small tire events scheduled including KD. I remember thinking man that's going to kill car count big time at one of these if not all of them. Tracks need to try and schedule around each other best they can instead of stepping on each others toes where everyone loses.
So if I have a c3 corvette with stock firewall, stock engine location and stock floor pans but the rear has been converted from irs to a solid axle with coil overs does that make it illegal for your OG 28 class? I'm not knocking your ruleset just making sure that kind of thing is clarified because there's alot of those IRS cars made to solid axles. Mines mostly for strength purposes anyways because the stock rears in them are kinda junk.
Joe Gabner under the rules he mentioned I believe that you wouldn't be allowed to run your Corvette because the stock suspension is i.r.s and you switched it to a solid rear axle which is no longer stock. The rule is stock suspension, not modified suspension. That's just how I interpret it.
@@NosC3vette tube chassis are a huge advantage compared to lexan windows and fiberglass doors his rule set is pretty clear stock sus stock motor placement stock chassis why would a guy who spent 20k for a build want to race a 200k dollar car that he has a 10% chance to beat a best due to spin or a failure ?
Eddie and I would like to thank you for the shout out! We are flattered that you acknowledged how well Murder 88 did. We did what no one else ever thought of doing. We built it because my husband has the talent and capability of fabricating such a vehicle. I'm not sure where everyone gets the "high dollar, money bags, rich, tube chassis team" thoughts from. 🤔 We are a small town, low low dollar family just like the majority of the no prep racers out there, maybe even more so. We have earned every single thing we've worked for. We haven't been given handouts. We don't have a ton of sponsors. We do all of the work OURSELVES out of the family garage. He has bent all the pipe by hand, welded every seam, configured the suspension, and has done all the motor work himself just to name a few. He had put countless hours into learning about Holley engine management, suspension, and everything else involved with that trucks success. All of these things are the same things that any other guy/gal out there has the capability of doing if he/she puts his/her mind to it and has the drive to do so. If you want something bad enough, you'll figure out a way to make it happen. Knowledge is power and when Eddie has that, he is unstoppable. Midnight Madness was always one of our favorite races to attend. At the very last MM of 2019, he made the trip to KD even when he couldn't run because of being broke after the Norwalk race, and I drove 6.5 hours from our home in MD just to be there. As you know, after we were "outlawed" at the end of our 2019 season, we ended up selling the truck. No one could beat Murder 88, so it solely was exiled from just about every East Coast race that we thought of entering towards the end of that season. The "outlaw" class you suggested would have been made solely for Murder 88. Which at that time, and still today, it would have been in a class all on its own. So he figured, if they want to have a set of very strict and specific rules, he's going to build a car that follows all of those said rules. Even though every other person out there has the capability of doing what we did. Murder 88 hurt feelings, and was able to single handedly change the world of small tire no prep forever. That in itself I take as the highest compliment anyone could ever give us. The new build, Annabelle, fits every single rule anyone has out there, and will definitely be faster than the truck ever was. We do want to thank you! Because of you, and everyone else for that matter, he has again outdone himself. Annabelle will be another contender to watch out for, as you've already seen from the DOD 100k event. Good luck on the rest of your season! - Andrea & Eddie Grimes
You two are an awesome team! I have no doubt Eddie in Annabelle will do amazing, it already has! Promoting and making rules/classes was stressful and I’m happy that chapter is behind us and we can just enjoy racing in the event tonight. No pressure. When we first started with PaceMakers cash days, there wasn’t much going on in Ohio. So we are proud to have helped bring attention and grow the sport and now travel and race ourselves without the stress of being in charge. We learned the hard way how divided it can be to make everyone happy. Good luck tonight! See you there! 😊 Vicki 🏁
Eddie no fule an you got butt hurt for no reason on this video hell yall should be more up set on the video where big foot dumped Kool aid in his lane an he got smacked around in ny 😂 but I get it attack the big youtube guys for clout this shit backfired Eddie no fule made a fool of him self.
I agree with you Bill, there needs to be a "true Street" class consisting of unaltered frames real street cars. I hate seeing a tube chassis car or a back half car show up to small tire event. I also believe you will bring more spectators if you can bring back a true street small tire class.
I watch you guys because as screwed up my life to the point of me being old,homeless and broke because of bad judgem it I can see some family structure that I couldn't achieve that I couldn't do. Thanks for your close family and also for the dogs too since I can't have a pet with me being homeless. You guys are the greatest and I sure wish I could support your. Channel more but sadly I can't. Thanks again!.
love the cover photo! thanks for using it! i know tommy and allison do alot of photos for you, love their work! if you happen to see anything in the albums i have on Fb lmk. ill be happy to set you up! keep it up cant wait for yall to be back around my neck of the woods. one day ill make it up your way!
If the class is based on tire size restrictions then cars with tires that fit the rules belong. To make things more competitive I'd totally support the outlaw 10.5 & a stock chassis type class. It just makes sense.
I'm glad you made this video, I've been thinking this for a long time, id like to compete in some no prep races soon but there's no way I could. Some of these cars that show up are unreal
Bill you are 100% correct! If you have a tube chassis car with a set back engine, then run with others like you. I use to run in a stock class at a 1/2 mile dirt track. When we had big money races we would get out of town cars that were tube chassis and they would kick our asses. It took all the fun out of it.
Your 100% right all race cars should be running in some kind of Class to make it Fair for all the Racers to compete ! I hope people & Track owners are listening!! Great job Old Man!!!
He looks tired man. He’s been burning that candle hard this summer and it looks like it’s catching up and it looks to me like he needs a week away with some hot blonde and just the two of em, ma yuh be j in be and Chevy as chaperones but that’s it! No kids, no drama, no nothing but that hot little blonde!! I know, I know!! It sure sounds easy doesn’t it!!
I'll tell you what old man you're a great dad a great teacher and a great person unfortunately I'm watching the video where the bad accident happened and oh my God that mustang wiped out I love you guys please keep it safe grass patches ... Little Bill may an angel be watching over you at all times and keep kicking ass
EVERYTHING changes… EVERYTHING…. Seems the trend in drag racing for sure, nostalgia drag racing was huge early 2000,s, everyone was building straight axle gasser stuff, forming groups, classes, etc… eventually started seeing glorified pro mods with straight axles… just is what it is … hopefully a rule call will slow the progression down and keep the races close… as a person who has currently stepped back to a spectator status, that is HUGE… people wanna see close races… and that is definitely what you get at the moment… do anything that will help keep that..
Hope y’all had a great weekend at Kd. Thank y’all for helping to bring MM back to its roots and help the track grow. I went to clay city dragway last nite to support my buddy at MSA for a N/T event Than y’all for helping keep KD alive. I’m lucky enough to to live 30 min from there.
as i posted on Billys Channel. I got my PIctures I bought from the store. And I gotta say. If you are a fan of this channel these are a must have. They are very very high gloss and very very high detail. I dont know what kinda camera is used but it is a very good one. They come very well packaged so they dont get all bent up and creased. I plan on having them all as i have followed this whole deal for a couple years now
Lutz built car for the rules which means you need to open them but open them in a way that blatantly says no altered wheel base or engine position but in a way that bans chassis cars without hurting old school backhalfs. He's just the most recent high profile example there are others floating around
Leave no prep alone... The baddest car on the property that can get down the track is suppose to be the one that wins... Get out your feelings cause if you get drug and step up your program .. Period.
Grew up at the drag strip in SoCal in late 60’s/early 70’s…..I’m going bracket racing (for the first time) memorial weekend…I know my dad would be there if here were alive today…. It’s going to be awesome!
Thank you for sharing. I think a lot of us actual street car owners appreciate it. Let the tube chassis race each other and the street cars race each other.
We have a small track out here in California called Kingdom Drags. It was a WW-II Training field originally but after the war a Stockton Police Officer opened up the old air park for a grudge match style of street racing legally. Around 1950's so today it is a Executive Airport for mostly the Agriculture rich in Wine Making here in Lodi and each year we have a special event "Return to Kingdom Drags" Lot's of fun during the 3 day annual event. They bring in close fly by's with P51 Mustangs which was the original purpose of Kingdom air field. They host the Jr. Dragsters and Jet Car out of Merced plus a couple of Funny Cars from Stockton Ralph Panela Racing Team whom seem to be in all sort of racing car events from Le Man's to Nascar.
Great point!! I believe there should be numerous of classes... Especially a stock car with whatever you can make work!! Not everyone has an insane budget!!! Great video pops. KEEPIN IT REAL!
Chevy at the end, she knew you were talking about her, very funny! Good video also, my local track, closest thing we have to your scene, they qualify top 16 small tire. The last event stands were empty and they canceled one of the small tire classes because low turnout. It's crazy how different the scene is back in Ohio, I wish we had something anywhere close to that.
You have a valid point on tube chassis. In the off seaon, pitch the idea to all of the tracks to get the idea floating. Around 1 Jan to 15 Feb '22 get everyone one board. Get all the owners of hte facilities to work on the ground rules foe these events. No one gets omitted. Then on your page and several others out there get feed back from the drivers. Let's say the stock bodied cars use OG-28 to post and Tube Chassis use S/T Outlaws to post comments. If this takes off you're going to need bigger tracks to run on and the OG-28's will still be small track capable. It should be compatible to the Dig or Die of Rockingham, NC. It will be interesting to see it take on a life of its own.
Interesting explanation of the history. Rules are one of the thorniest problems in all motorsport. But you can tell when the rules are good and when they are not so good. Keeping the grassroots green and growing is difficult but absolutely essential.
Killer got my 73 Camaro big block ready for no prep . My 90 454ss with a 505 i still have to tune and do some fuel stuff but she runs nice ... Sounds cool let me know when you get it going I live in Miami its far but i can go ... Everyone go racing I am
I agree with you 100% . It happening all over deep pockets and there tube chassis car. a low budget racers can't compete with cars like that they need to have separate classes
AWD cars should never be in an event like this. It gives an unfair advantage that even the chassis cars don't have besides, if you need all 4 tires as drive tires, then you are in the wrong hobby lol
I didnt care for the awd Dodge pro chassis diesel last year at Marion. truck was certainly badass, but overachiever for a simple class by tire. Guys are limited to small tire, it means, two 10.5x 28. You go to four x 10.5, its hardly an even playing field. obviously guy belonged in outlaw. spooling the diesel fast enough, on time was his only challenge
Thanks bill , I think your right just time to evolve with the sport ..Two classes would give us back what we want to see and run our cars in I am glad you said it we have thought that way here for awhile . Best of luck this weekend and hope your sales are awesome . 👍
Kendall comes to race with us and he is kinda that guy "we love he and justin and the whole team" but it was the first time I saw a car like that on the street. I was bummed you guys didnt win and i was also bummed when they had an issue on the starting line!
Like the Alanis Morissette song says”isn’t it ironic” that you talked about Grimes in this vid considering what happened at kd last night. I hate seeing where small tire racing is going… tube chassis 250k cars now. It’s away from its roots. You probably agree. My best friend won stick shift at midnight madness last night and that’s why we run stick. Working folks can still do it. But I hate seeing arguments more than I hate the direction of small tire. My father owned a dirt track and small drag strip in eastern ky my whole life… grew up in it… I could have done either but in drag racing there tends to be less arguing and trouble so it kills me to see that controversy. I never got to talk to you last night but I commend you guys for trying to not make a bad deal worse. You handled it the best way possible and I really respect you and billy both for that. U know… we are racers… but we always need to remember that we are servants of The most high first. Sorry for the long post, thank you for everything you do for our sport Bill. Seth Collins
Bill I agree with you there should be and Outlaw class . Good luck to you guy's I hope you the very Best and maybe a win . Be safe have a great time pack Patient in your pocket and God in your Heart and you can never go wrong . God bless
@@SesameStreetRacingChannel It's not scare tactics. Some of the biggest companies are already limiting tuning and the hardware they will support because they know it's coming.
@@SesameStreetRacingChannel so what do you consider "vintage" because the EPA wants to ban modifying any vehicle that came with any type of emission controls. If I remember correctly anything built after 1972 is in the ban. Thats ridiculous and scary.
@@SesameStreetRacingChannel The left wants to destroy this nation, they are bought and paid for by China and would kill a billion dollar industry in a blink. Keystone pipeline anybody remember that on Biden 2nd day in office.
Tube chassis should be in it`s own class. Keep it fair. If the new owner is a fair and just man, he will make it so. Stay safe Bill, Miss Vicki, Billy anf Tommy. God Bless all.
I absolutely loved this video and I share whole heartedly in the opinions expressed here. There is so much to be said about competition in certain circles and what it means to the Grass roots guys and gals . Awesome content from wonderful people - Fantastic job . 👏
I agree 100%. I don't have a car so I wouldn't completely know about this but I have worked in cars for 20 years and watched a lot of racing. I can understand people chasing money but if your bringing a gun to a knife fight was the real feeling of accomplishment in that. I guess id rather know I won on a level field than racing street cars with a pro mod. Keep doing what your doing. Them chassis guys will find somewhere to go and more of the stock car guys will come back knowing they have a better shot.
Bill do you think an Unmodified frame rail class would go over well? I'm not a you need a 1000's rules type of person. It's funny how big purses tend to kill great classes.
Love the content Uncle Bill. Missed yall at Dig or Die. We were there early meeting some of my favorite street guys. Yall were in the trailer and I didnt want to bother you guys. IMO, it needs to stay a stock chassis (suspension), stock firewall and stock floor cars.
Absolutely agree with ya!! If they start letting tube guys in then it just kills it for th regular OG street cars that just want to run like they did 40 years or more ago, have some fun and win a pocket full of money. If these guys wanna run, then create a tube class for them but it’s just my opinion that they do not belong in my original hot rod class which they will of course disagree with cause it’s easy money and a win for them. There is nothing at all wrong with their cars, they’ve built some badass cars but the hot rod i built with less than $10k will never ever be able to compete with a car that someone has put $100k into and I really have no desire to ever run those guys cause the only way I’ll ever have a chance at winning anything is if they jump, cross, or break so someone please explain to me where the fun in that is, please, cause I just can’t find it! That would be just like me taking the hottest girl in school out for dinner every Friday and Saturday nights and taking her to the finest restaurants that the Amish have in Marion County knowing that she’s never gonna let me hold her pretty little hand, never gonna let me have a little peck on the cheek and surely won’t EVER let me go have a little snack or dinner at the Y! So w NC at a the point in taking her out at all in the first place if there’s absolutely no chance I can ever compete? Money is too hard to get to just throw away like that but I am all for every single car being able to run in a class that it can be competitive in!! PS: I’m sorry Miss Vicki about that example and hope I did not offend you or molly!!
Amen Bill has spoken I might try to race at a no prep before the summer ends project 6.0SS is so close to leaving the garage on its first shakedown. I might drive it to dragway 42 maybe. As always be safe be fast now back out to the garage
I agree one hundred percent what you have to say about the 10 and 1/2 inch tire tube chassis cars should be a separate class for sure let's keep drag racing more to its original roots instead of all-out absolute race cars everywhere right cheers old man Billy Tommy keep ripping on guys
I totally agree, when no prep became big I thought it was something I could afford to get into. At this point there's not much a regular can get into that's heads up racing. Bracket racing doesn't interest me at all. So, I just keep working on cars trying to make them fast enough to compete some where and the bar gets raised quicker than I can come up with the money to get it built. Racing seems unattainable for the average guy these days.
Closest a lot of us can get is some kind of indexed class. In my area there is an 8.90/9.90/10.90 class for "street car". No tube cars,tinned interiors,mufflers,etc.
Who's green 3rd Gen F-body? Also, great story on people "Manipulating" street/stc cars. I seen it happen in the late 70s/ early 80s in Dallas when people basically trailed Prostock cars to street races of California crossing, Emerald, and Luna. To me, it was an ego trip for them or today we call it the "Rawlings" mentality. Ruined it for many street racers. Just ask Limpy, I can promise you he remembers those days very well :-)
@@RustyWells2 - Limpy and I know many of the same people from the Northwest Dallas racing days and the shops around Royal Lane and I-35 area. I believe he started "Cash Days" in 2005, but he has been around a while.
Tell billy to go to harbor freight and get the 55 gallon air pump to pump the fuel out. That’s what I use. Works great and has a regulator on it. No sore arms here from pumping lol. It was cheap too!
Stock floorboards, uncut firewalls for a start. Even though it was funny to see clapped out foxbody gap a car of that caliber. Like I told you bill, I want to compete in a real street car class, stock body panels, stock suspension, all glass, inspection sticker, tagged, insured, turbo size limits, single plates, no big blocks, etc. cruise requirement
My favorites are low buy-in races. Just good clean fun. Payouts are lower so egos are lowered also. Plus not enough payout to risk turning your stuff up too much and blow it up. Just racing and fun.
The drag cars are the product that the promoter is selling to the ticket buyers at the gate. If there are no cars there are no ticket buyers. A little control of the classes is not a bad idea to control the competitor's and what they are bringing to the track. Boxing has different weight classes so the big guy does not just knock everybody out and take the money. Wrestling has different weight classes for the same reason. That is all Bill is advocating for. Take Care and God Bless
God bless you. Made my 1.24am night shift hell lunch that one bit better 👌 as always. Much love from across the pond 🇬🇧 totally agree. No tube chassis in small tyre, not in a stock firewall class
Also what if these races paid a tow money like the dirt track stuff. Where even if you roll up and make a certain round like say top 16 you still get something to make it worth your time and will really get alot of guys out that know they probably can't win but will still put money in the pot
Bill i love the statement at the end of the video about the dog shiting in the background and the video pans down and the dog looks like she has a grin on. Lol 🤣
This is my perspective based on my time spent promoting and hosting events. Perception is 9/10ths of reality.
Regardless of how I feel about anyone’s cars being in an event, it won’t matter if we lose car count.
And, the latest problem facing small tire no prep races, is that there are so many, that it’s hard to get the car counts we used to get 4 years ago.
If there’s a big event that’s sponsored and promoted like Dig or Die, I can guarantee eventually someone close to Rockingham will host a pop up race that appears 2 weeks before the big race and takes car count away.
It happens every weekend
Hit the nail on the head IMO Bill, the draw of no prep has been that lower budgets can be competitive and have a chance, just like how the street was a great equalizer. If big money tube chassis cars start becoming more and more the norm you lose allll those lower budget cars that won't bother to show anymore which make up way more of a car count and car count is what keeps tracks and events alive.
I also agree with your point about the number of no prep races hurting more than helping, just the other week before rain screwed up most of Ohio racing in general I think there was three different Ohio tracks let alone neighboring states that had no prep small tire events scheduled including KD. I remember thinking man that's going to kill car count big time at one of these if not all of them. Tracks need to try and schedule around each other best they can instead of stepping on each others toes where everyone loses.
So if I have a c3 corvette with stock firewall, stock engine location and stock floor pans but the rear has been converted from irs to a solid axle with coil overs does that make it illegal for your OG 28 class? I'm not knocking your ruleset just making sure that kind of thing is clarified because there's alot of those IRS cars made to solid axles. Mines mostly for strength purposes anyways because the stock rears in them are kinda junk.
Well said i totally agree with you love the video good luck this weekend from springtown TX
Joe Gabner under the rules he mentioned I believe that you wouldn't be allowed to run your Corvette because the stock suspension is i.r.s and you switched it to a solid rear axle which is no longer stock. The rule is stock suspension, not modified suspension. That's just how I interpret it.
@@NosC3vette tube chassis are a huge advantage compared to lexan windows and fiberglass doors his rule set is pretty clear stock sus stock motor placement stock chassis why would a guy who spent 20k for a build want to race a 200k dollar car that he has a 10% chance to beat a best due to spin or a failure ?
Eddie and I would like to thank you for the shout out! We are flattered that you acknowledged how well Murder 88 did. We did what no one else ever thought of doing. We built it because my husband has the talent and capability of fabricating such a vehicle.
I'm not sure where everyone gets the "high dollar, money bags, rich, tube chassis team" thoughts from. 🤔 We are a small town, low low dollar family just like the majority of the no prep racers out there, maybe even more so. We have earned every single thing we've worked for. We haven't been given handouts. We don't have a ton of sponsors. We do all of the work OURSELVES out of the family garage. He has bent all the pipe by hand, welded every seam, configured the suspension, and has done all the motor work himself just to name a few.
He had put countless hours into learning about Holley engine management, suspension, and everything else involved with that trucks success. All of these things are the same things that any other guy/gal out there has the capability of doing if he/she puts his/her mind to it and has the drive to do so. If you want something bad enough, you'll figure out a way to make it happen. Knowledge is power and when Eddie has that, he is unstoppable.
Midnight Madness was always one of our favorite races to attend. At the very last MM of 2019, he made the trip to KD even when he couldn't run because of being broke after the Norwalk race, and I drove 6.5 hours from our home in MD just to be there.
As you know, after we were "outlawed" at the end of our 2019 season, we ended up selling the truck. No one could beat Murder 88, so it solely was exiled from just about every East Coast race that we thought of entering towards the end of that season. The "outlaw" class you suggested would have been made solely for Murder 88. Which at that time, and still today, it would have been in a class all on its own. So he figured, if they want to have a set of very strict and specific rules, he's going to build a car that follows all of those said rules. Even though every other person out there has the capability of doing what we did.
Murder 88 hurt feelings, and was able to single handedly change the world of small tire no prep forever. That in itself I take as the highest compliment anyone could ever give us.
The new build, Annabelle, fits every single rule anyone has out there, and will definitely be faster than the truck ever was. We do want to thank you! Because of you, and everyone else for that matter, he has again outdone himself. Annabelle will be another contender to watch out for, as you've already seen from the DOD 100k event. Good luck on the rest of your season!
- Andrea & Eddie Grimes
You two are an awesome team! I have no doubt Eddie in Annabelle will do amazing, it already has!
Promoting and making rules/classes was stressful and I’m happy that chapter is behind us and we can just enjoy racing in the event tonight. No pressure. When we first started with PaceMakers cash days, there wasn’t much going on in Ohio. So we are proud to have helped bring attention and grow the sport and now travel and race ourselves without the stress of being in charge. We learned the hard way how divided it can be to make everyone happy. Good luck tonight!
See you there! 😊
Vicki 🏁
Very cool. You’re doing something right when they make rules to snub you. Keep up the good work.
That murder 88 was my favorite s10! Miss seeing it bust heads
Awkward now? Lol couple of loud mouths
Eddie no fule an you got butt hurt for no reason on this video hell yall should be more up set on the video where big foot dumped Kool aid in his lane an he got smacked around in ny 😂 but I get it attack the big youtube guys for clout this shit backfired Eddie no fule made a fool of him self.
Agree 100%. Shouldn’t be an issue to have an outlaw class.
Agree completely , also these AWD cars and trucks need thier own class.
Lmfao no. I want to see people make these small tire cars like S10s into AWD dig monsters.
Awd stick shift 4 banger should be able to run with small tire guys it puts driver error back into play
Yep just like the trans need their own class not fair
I love how scrappy cuts her eyes anytime Mr Bill looks at her. Such a sweet pup! 👍🏻👍🏻
I agree with you Bill, there needs to be a "true Street" class consisting of unaltered frames real street cars. I hate seeing a tube chassis car or a back half car show up to small tire event. I also believe you will bring more spectators if you can bring back a true street small tire class.
Bill, ,ou are 100% right! Dead on with a zero!
When will they start to listen to the racers that have been there and done that. Great content
Congrats to patches for putting out the pro mod
I watch you guys because as screwed up my life to the point of me being old,homeless and broke because of bad judgem it I can see some family structure that I couldn't achieve that I couldn't do. Thanks for your close family and also for the dogs too since I can't have a pet with me being homeless. You guys are the greatest and I sure wish I could support your. Channel more but sadly I can't. Thanks again!.
love the cover photo! thanks for using it! i know tommy and allison do alot of photos for you, love their work! if you happen to see anything in the albums i have on Fb lmk. ill be happy to set you up! keep it up cant wait for yall to be back around my neck of the woods. one day ill make it up your way!
If the class is based on tire size restrictions then cars with tires that fit the rules belong. To make things more competitive I'd totally support the outlaw 10.5 & a stock chassis type class. It just makes sense.
History repeats itself, every time! Great vid, good luck guys!
Bill....i think its the wisdom thats so captivating?? Anyone second that......??
I'm glad you made this video, I've been thinking this for a long time, id like to compete in some no prep races soon but there's no way I could. Some of these cars that show up are unreal
Thanks for sharing Bill. Like when you explain the behind scenes goings on. Have a good race weekend have fun and stay safe 🇺🇸🏁
Excellent video!, I agree 100% percent on two separate classes!, its absolutely not fair to your stock frame street racer!.
If anyone can do it you and your family can. Go get it Bill we believe in you and we know you got what it takes to get that race track going again.
Hopefully the track owner will listen to you and anybody who knows how to keep the classes working.
Good luck. 🤞
Bill you are 100% correct! If you have a tube chassis car with a set back engine, then run with others like you. I use to run in a stock class at a 1/2 mile dirt track. When we had big money races we would get out of town cars that were tube chassis and they would kick our asses. It took all the fun out of it.
Your 100% right all race cars should be running in some kind of Class to make it Fair for all the Racers to compete ! I hope people & Track owners are listening!! Great job Old Man!!!
Damn ol man you sound sick, hope you get to feeling better
He looks tired man. He’s been burning that candle hard this summer and it looks like it’s catching up and it looks to me like he needs a week away with some hot blonde and just the two of em, ma yuh be j in be and Chevy as chaperones but that’s it! No kids, no drama, no nothing but that hot little blonde!!
I know, I know!! It sure sounds easy doesn’t it!!
I'll tell you what old man you're a great dad a great teacher and a great person unfortunately I'm watching the video where the bad accident happened and oh my God that mustang wiped out I love you guys please keep it safe grass patches ... Little Bill may an angel be watching over you at all times and keep kicking ass
I have no opinion. I’ve never raced but I’ve watched enough of your channel I sold my road course car and am building a dragish car! Love what you do!
EVERYTHING changes… EVERYTHING…. Seems the trend in drag racing for sure, nostalgia drag racing was huge early 2000,s, everyone was building straight axle gasser stuff, forming groups, classes, etc… eventually started seeing glorified pro mods with straight axles… just is what it is … hopefully a rule call will slow the progression down and keep the races close… as a person who has currently stepped back to a spectator status, that is HUGE… people wanna see close races… and that is definitely what you get at the moment… do anything that will help keep that..
Leaving a comment because I know it helps your channel
Hope y’all had a great weekend at Kd. Thank y’all for helping to bring MM back to its roots and help the track grow. I went to clay city dragway last nite to support my buddy at MSA for a N/T event Than y’all for helping keep KD alive. I’m lucky enough to to live 30 min from there.
as i posted on Billys Channel. I got my PIctures I bought from the store. And I gotta say. If you are a fan of this channel these are a must have. They are very very high gloss and very very high detail. I dont know what kinda camera is used but it is a very good one. They come very well packaged so they dont get all bent up and creased. I plan on having them all as i have followed this whole deal for a couple years now
Totally agree ! Lover your idea of an outlaw class. Thank you for all you do for the local guys who run on limited budgets.
Good air for drag racing this weekend for July.
I agree I got a blown mustang street car and let me tell you this mornings air was great for iat's.
Lutz built car for the rules which means you need to open them but open them in a way that blatantly says no altered wheel base or engine position but in a way that bans chassis cars without hurting old school backhalfs. He's just the most recent high profile example there are others floating around
Leave no prep alone...
The baddest car on the property that can get down the track is suppose to be the one that wins...
Get out your feelings cause if you get drug and step up your program ..
Period.
You are the best stores teller in the world and you always tie it in to current day events… history always repeats itself
Grew up at the drag strip in SoCal in late 60’s/early 70’s…..I’m going bracket racing (for the first time) memorial weekend…I know my dad would be there if here were alive today…. It’s going to be awesome!
Damn near 6000 views in under an hour. Bravo! I love that you mix current with history,
Thank you for sharing. I think a lot of us actual street car owners appreciate it. Let the tube chassis race each other and the street cars race each other.
We have a small track out here in California called Kingdom Drags. It was a WW-II Training field originally but after the war a Stockton Police Officer opened up the old air park for a grudge match style of street racing legally. Around 1950's so today it is a Executive Airport for mostly the Agriculture rich in Wine Making here in Lodi and each year we have a special event "Return to Kingdom Drags" Lot's of fun during the 3 day annual event. They bring in close fly by's with P51 Mustangs which was the original purpose of Kingdom air field. They host the Jr. Dragsters and Jet Car out of Merced plus a couple of Funny Cars from Stockton Ralph Panela Racing Team whom seem to be in all sort of racing car events from Le Man's to Nascar.
Great point!! I believe there should be numerous of classes... Especially a stock car with whatever you can make work!! Not everyone has an insane budget!!! Great video pops. KEEPIN IT REAL!
Chevy at the end, she knew you were talking about her, very funny! Good video also, my local track, closest thing we have to your scene, they qualify top 16 small tire. The last event stands were empty and they canceled one of the small tire classes because low turnout. It's crazy how different the scene is back in Ohio, I wish we had something anywhere close to that.
Thank you for everything you and your family do for the sport.
Ps:
You make me feel like I can go racing .
Thank you
You have a valid point on tube chassis. In the off seaon, pitch the idea to all of the tracks to get the idea floating. Around 1 Jan to 15 Feb '22 get everyone one board. Get all the owners of hte facilities to work on the ground rules foe these events. No one gets omitted. Then on your page and several others out there get feed back from the drivers. Let's say the stock bodied cars use OG-28 to post and Tube Chassis use S/T Outlaws to post comments. If this takes off you're going to need bigger tracks to run on and the OG-28's will still be small track capable. It should be compatible to the Dig or Die of Rockingham, NC. It will be interesting to see it take on a life of its own.
Interesting explanation of the history. Rules are one of the thorniest problems in all motorsport. But you can tell when the rules are good and when they are not so good. Keeping the grassroots green and growing is difficult but absolutely essential.
Killer got my 73 Camaro big block ready for no prep . My 90 454ss with a 505 i still have to tune and do some fuel stuff but she runs nice ... Sounds cool let me know when you get it going I live in Miami its far but i can go ... Everyone go racing I am
Glade your up moving Mr Bill I hope you feel better soon .
I felt there were a few cars that did not particularly belong, but that is just my opinion.
Miss Vicki always hookin us up with the details! Great job, as always!
Bottom line is...if you don't drive your car to McDonald's on a regular basis...ITS NOT A STREET CAR👍 keep doing what you're doing Bill ❤️
I love the details Vickie 😃👍👍
Hey Bill Sr. ! I'm glad to see you are feeling better. I didn't expect to hear from you. Good luck to you and your family this weekend !
I'm glad Ms Vicky keep you guys lined out!!!
I agree with you 100% . It happening all over deep pockets and there tube chassis car. a low budget racers can't compete with cars like that they need to have separate classes
if you don't allow awd in certain small tire events such as dig or die then surely tube chassis should be outlawed too
back-half cars maximum
AWD cars should never be in an event like this. It gives an unfair advantage that even the chassis cars don't have besides, if you need all 4 tires as drive tires, then you are in the wrong hobby lol
I didnt care for the awd Dodge pro chassis diesel last year at Marion. truck was certainly badass, but overachiever for a simple class by tire. Guys are limited to small tire, it means, two 10.5x 28. You go to four x 10.5, its hardly an even playing field. obviously guy belonged in outlaw. spooling the diesel fast enough, on time was his only challenge
Well I followed your instructions on what you've been doing as to what I cN see on here and OMG my motor is on point. Thank you sir
Thanks bill , I think your right just time to evolve with the sport ..Two classes would give us back what we want to see and run our cars in I am glad you said it we have thought that way here for awhile .
Best of luck this weekend and hope your sales are awesome . 👍
Ol Scrappers was like wasnt me look.good luck racing and with the event.
Kendall comes to race with us and he is kinda that guy "we love he and justin and the whole team" but it was the first time I saw a car like that on the street. I was bummed you guys didnt win and i was also bummed when they had an issue on the starting line!
Like the Alanis Morissette song says”isn’t it ironic” that you talked about Grimes in this vid considering what happened at kd last night. I hate seeing where small tire racing is going… tube chassis 250k cars now. It’s away from its roots. You probably agree. My best friend won stick shift at midnight madness last night and that’s why we run stick. Working folks can still do it. But I hate seeing arguments more than I hate the direction of small tire. My father owned a dirt track and small drag strip in eastern ky my whole life… grew up in it… I could have done either but in drag racing there tends to be less arguing and trouble so it kills me to see that controversy. I never got to talk to you last night but I commend you guys for trying to not make a bad deal worse. You handled it the best way possible and I really respect you and billy both for that. U know… we are racers… but we always need to remember that we are servants of The most high first. Sorry for the long post, thank you for everything you do for our sport Bill. Seth Collins
Bill I agree with you there should be and Outlaw class . Good luck to you guy's I hope you the very Best and maybe a win . Be safe have a great time pack Patient in your pocket and God in your Heart and you can never go wrong . God bless
You are an amazing Father and I’m sure great friend to your 2 boys….. I have 2 boys and a girl myself and hope to be as cool as you one day…..
Totally agree. Hope you all do well this weekend!
If we don't all get on board with the RPM ACT,we're going to lose our entire sport. EPA is banning all aftermarket hi perf upgrades.
They'll die trying !
@@SesameStreetRacingChannel It's not scare tactics. Some of the biggest companies are already limiting tuning and the hardware they will support because they know it's coming.
I signed the SEMA petition and also contacted my state senator. The bill is outrageous and shows just how uninformed our legislators are.
@@SesameStreetRacingChannel so what do you consider "vintage" because the EPA wants to ban modifying any vehicle that came with any type of emission controls. If I remember correctly anything built after 1972 is in the ban. Thats ridiculous and scary.
@@SesameStreetRacingChannel The left wants to destroy this nation, they are bought and paid for by China and would kill a billion dollar industry in a blink.
Keystone pipeline anybody remember that on Biden 2nd day in office.
Tube chassis should be in it`s own class. Keep it fair. If the new owner is a fair and just man, he will make it so. Stay safe Bill, Miss Vicki, Billy anf Tommy. God Bless all.
Good wordage, to true on the event stats. You and John have a lot of truth in what is fixing to happen. There needs to be different classes.
The most exciting race and race track I’ve ever been to. Midnight madness @ KD
I absolutely loved this video and I share whole heartedly in the opinions expressed here. There is so much to be said about competition in certain circles and what it means to the Grass roots guys and gals . Awesome content from wonderful people - Fantastic job . 👏
I agree 100%. I don't have a car so I wouldn't completely know about this but I have worked in cars for 20 years and watched a lot of racing. I can understand people chasing money but if your bringing a gun to a knife fight was the real feeling of accomplishment in that. I guess id rather know I won on a level field than racing street cars with a pro mod. Keep doing what your doing. Them chassis guys will find somewhere to go and more of the stock car guys will come back knowing they have a better shot.
Content spot on Bill. Your OG and Outlaw suggestions will solve the problem. Good luck to you and Billy this weekend.
Bill do you think an Unmodified frame rail class would go over well? I'm not a you need a 1000's rules type of person. It's funny how big purses tend to kill great classes.
Love the content Uncle Bill. Missed yall at Dig or Die. We were there early meeting some of my favorite street guys. Yall were in the trailer and I didnt want to bother you guys. IMO, it needs to stay a stock chassis (suspension), stock firewall and stock floor cars.
Absolutely agree with ya!! If they start letting tube guys in then it just kills it for th regular OG street cars that just want to run like they did 40 years or more ago, have some fun and win a pocket full of money.
If these guys wanna run, then create a tube class for them but it’s just my opinion that they do not belong in my original hot rod class which they will of course disagree with cause it’s easy money and a win for them. There is nothing at all wrong with their cars, they’ve built some badass cars but the hot rod i built with less than $10k will never ever be able to compete with a car that someone has put $100k into and I really have no desire to ever run those guys cause the only way I’ll ever have a chance at winning anything is if they jump, cross, or break so someone please explain to me where the fun in that is, please, cause I just can’t find it!
That would be just like me taking the hottest girl in school out for dinner every Friday and Saturday nights and taking her to the finest restaurants that the Amish have in Marion County knowing that she’s never gonna let me hold her pretty little hand, never gonna let me have a little peck on the cheek and surely won’t EVER let me go have a little snack or dinner at the Y! So w NC at a the point in taking her out at all in the first place if there’s absolutely no chance I can ever compete? Money is too hard to get to just throw away like that but I am all for every single car being able to run in a class that it can be competitive in!!
PS: I’m sorry Miss Vicki about that example and hope I did not offend you or molly!!
Amen Bill has spoken I might try to race at a no prep before the summer ends project 6.0SS is so close to leaving the garage on its first shakedown. I might drive it to dragway 42 maybe. As always be safe be fast now back out to the garage
I agree one hundred percent what you have to say about the 10 and 1/2 inch tire tube chassis cars should be a separate class for sure let's keep drag racing more to its original roots instead of all-out absolute race cars everywhere right cheers old man Billy Tommy keep ripping on guys
And just to say for the dogs and the wifey cheers to you guys too
I totally agree, when no prep became big I thought it was something I could afford to get into. At this point there's not much a regular can get into that's heads up racing. Bracket racing doesn't interest me at all. So, I just keep working on cars trying to make them fast enough to compete some where and the bar gets raised quicker than I can come up with the money to get it built. Racing seems unattainable for the average guy these days.
Closest a lot of us can get is some kind of indexed class. In my area there is an 8.90/9.90/10.90 class for "street car". No tube cars,tinned interiors,mufflers,etc.
Who's green 3rd Gen F-body? Also, great story on people "Manipulating" street/stc cars. I seen it happen in the late 70s/ early 80s in Dallas when people basically trailed Prostock cars to street races of California crossing, Emerald, and Luna. To me, it was an ego trip for them or today we call it the "Rawlings" mentality. Ruined it for many street racers. Just ask Limpy, I can promise you he remembers those days very well :-)
@@RustyWells2 - Limpy and I know many of the same people from the Northwest Dallas racing days and the shops around Royal Lane and I-35 area. I believe he started "Cash Days" in 2005, but he has been around a while.
Once again, you nailed it Bill.
Tell billy to go to harbor freight and get the 55 gallon air pump to pump the fuel out. That’s what I use. Works great and has a regulator on it. No sore arms here from pumping lol. It was cheap too!
Way too many cars are running small tire classes that apparently shouldn't. Good video Bill.
I was wondering why that rule wasn't put into place. Good luck with it and stay safe this weekend!
I agree with you thanks for sharing buddy praying for everyone a safe weekend and god bless
Stock floorboards, uncut firewalls for a start. Even though it was funny to see clapped out foxbody gap a car of that caliber. Like I told you bill, I want to compete in a real street car class, stock body panels, stock suspension, all glass, inspection sticker, tagged, insured, turbo size limits, single plates, no big blocks, etc. cruise requirement
This ⬆️👍
I was with you till the no bbc thing lol
I think big blocks with limits would be fine 🤷♂️ maybe stock deck height and power adder restrictions
@@barneymiller7894 I’d say stock block or factory blocks would be cool only because some of these ls motors make lots of power.
People underestimate what a stock block SBC can do to. 🤷♂️
Safe travels tomorrow and bring home the w Billy. Feel better soon all of you. Low ya.
Great video Bill. And your right, big money brings Promise
Can't wait to see 🤘keep on doing what your doing, love supporting yall
My favorites are low buy-in races. Just good clean fun. Payouts are lower so egos are lowered also. Plus not enough payout to risk turning your stuff up too much and blow it up. Just racing and fun.
The drag cars are the product that the promoter is selling to the ticket buyers at the gate.
If there are no cars there are no ticket buyers.
A little control of the classes is not a bad idea to control the competitor's and what they are bringing to the track.
Boxing has different weight classes so the big guy does not just knock everybody out and take the money.
Wrestling has different weight classes for the same reason.
That is all Bill is advocating for.
Take Care and God Bless
Racers have always been the best at reading between the lines and or twisting the rules just enough to gain an edge.
Well said i totally agree good luck this weekend from springtown TX
Thank you Bill for that information. It explained a lot about the types of races and cars. Can't wait foe more.
Good luck,Pops!!!! Got faith Billy will take care of business…
Thanks for the video. You r right on your thoughts by my way of thinking. Good luck to yall. And be safe as yall can
I sure hope that this can stay around and hope things go well with the new owner of the track. And I diff agree with having a separate class.
God bless you. Made my 1.24am night shift hell lunch that one bit better 👌 as always. Much love from across the pond 🇬🇧 totally agree. No tube chassis in small tyre, not in a stock firewall class
spot on!.....im glad you have brought this up I had the same thoughts and concerns for a couple yeas now
Sounds like you got a lil bit of the mountain dew , keep the vids coming , Bill
Great video, but that dog's reaction at the very end was the star of the show🤣
mom & pops night out at KD Dragway, can't wait to see this. if yall are hosting this event i guess BTK will be competeing also.
Also what if these races paid a tow money like the dirt track stuff. Where even if you roll up and make a certain round like say top 16 you still get something to make it worth your time and will really get alot of guys out that know they probably can't win but will still put money in the pot
Not a bad idea.
Hope all is well Mr bill thanks for the video while dealing with the crud
Demolition Derby was in the same boat 25 plus years ago,then they made a bunch of different classes.
Bill i love the statement at the end of the video about the dog shiting in the background and the video pans down and the dog looks like she has a grin on. Lol 🤣
You do such amazing things for drag racing.