RIP CS2 Surfers
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- Prior to CS2, Surfing was one of if not the largest community game mode in the series. It was fun, competitive, and completely unique to the game's identity for 20 years.
But the release of a new game almost killed it and many are worried it might never recover.
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im taking a huge dump rn wish me luck hope nothing tears
Good luck
Keep us updated on the situation
Just imagine it’s your prison roommate you love, makes you relax the muscles more and you sure you imagine it’s them pulling out.
Good luck brotha
praying for you bro
it's kinda ironic that they killed CSGO to not fracture the playerbase and now are fracturing the playerbase with being incapable of introducing a good server browser and proper community server support that not breaks everything.
more concurrent players than ever, only ppl who say CS is dead are the few who are repeating what they heard and dont play the game in the first place
@@lankymario7189
More players than ever because of Chinese bot farms, the game has been trending down in the west for a while now.
You must be naive to not be aware of the Chinese idle bot farms with thousands of computers / accounts.
back to css surfing after 10 years
@lankymario7189 bots lol
@@MisterDerpa even if you take out the bot farm, it still have higher player count than most if not all 'popular' online games in the market like Valorant/Siege etc.
Didn't try surfing till cs2. You don't need to be a long time surfer to know that running into a ramp bug every 3 attempts is not right.
yea its always been awful but cs2 is unplayable, if you can even find a server, buy cs:s and play surf where people actually care about it
@@Steven-zt6rs i have never run into a ramp bug in csgo or source in hundreds of surf hours. its never been awful
Play kitsune there are no bugs
Tried couple days ago and the ramp bug is quite bad
@@dahyperhawk7739yeah because you max out on tier 1 maps lol
I just wish that everything wouldn't just keep getting worse and worse online. Everywhere you look every service gets worse and more expensive all the time. Shit is mad depressing.
yeah :(
It’s not actually that bad. Try not to spend too much time on social media. These people make money off your engagement. Do you know what emotion makes human engage the most? It’s anger. So this is always going to be the type of shit you see, but in reality, there is a lot of good happening when you just take your eyes off the media for a while
It's capitalism, baby
Buddy just joined the real world. Welcome. How nice of you to join us.
@jejxkxk but he's right. You can ignore social media and turn off the news, but you still end up with companies asking $100 for some half baked monetised battle pass pay to win "AAA" slop. Or the example of the video, a "sequel" or "major update" to the game that is just worse in all the ways that matter (apart from new smoke grenades). If you haven't noticed the shocking downtrend in quality amongst every product and service in recent years, you are living under a rock. Its quite insane that a mcchicken from macdonalds that used to be 1 dollar and now should be 1.70 dollars because of inflation is actually something like 2.40 dollars. These are just a handful of examples
i literally cant find ANY servers when clicking on the server browser button so its really sad to see it this way
you can still connect to servers as long as you knew what the host was called, they have ip addresses on their websites
theres a cs2 browser website 100x better
Click on the search button
google for cybershock there are a lot of surf servers rn.
CSS
fun fact, there's a sourcemod plugin in team fortress 2 to fix ramp bugs and it works pretty well. If a rampbug is detected it pushes you slightly out of the ramp. Shout out to ya boi bshear
they have this for surf too, its just not perfect
yeah, but in cs2 you lose your time to break your pb
bshear
man, i remember back in 2004/05 waking up at my friends place at like 6 am to go play on the surf servers, good times
It's crazy to think that 2004 is the nostalgic time for u since I was born then.
Life is fleeting
@@robqqq born in 96 so yeah... very much middle of my childhood there, funny thing is that im currently playing a game from the same era (but reboot) so im super in the middle of nostalgia trip these past few months
@@wazzalord3 what game are you playing?
@@user-mb6zc8uj4z a game called FlyFF Universe, which is a reboot of 2007 version for FlyFF
Ramp bug is so common now. Shame it isn't as fun as csgo or css
When I clicked on the Video, I hoped to see repster, very glad you talked to him to make this video!
Very good research guys!
Wow. Surf egypt. That brings me right back to my childhood.
Haha yeah, good times
Were you playing prior to people changing the airaccelerate to 100?
Making surf egypt actually a difficult map in the whole scheme of things
@RichRadd You know, I'm not sure! It's likely, considering that I have been playing CS on and off since the start. I was born in 1992, but I was playing CS with my step-dad and uncles as early as 2000. I remember pre-steam. CS was hosted on GameSpy!
It's hard to recall all those little details, especially since I would eventually get way more into the CyberAthleticLeague side of things and then later quit gaming for a few years.
I do remember all the silly maps and mods my friends and I would play late at night during the summers in ventrillo, though. Egypt. Rats. The HE tennis maps. 45hp knife maps like Legoland. Warcraft3 mod maps. All of the KZ maps. I really miss those guys. We all lost touch. We're all 30+ now.
I remember one summer Circa 2004. I barely went outside, and I was just rotating CS, Diablo 2, Runescape.
Longwinded but... speaking of good times :D
banger pfp btw love oso oso
@nyantend0 Yunahon Mixtapes is one of my favorite albums. Oso oso is my favorite indie/emo band of the last 10 years.
I'm excited for the new album, sore thumb was just OK for me. Cheers bro
I wouldve loved for you guys to show what momentummod is doing for the movement community rn. They are literally creating a whole new game with a heavy focus on all source based movement games
momentum mod is truly the way these days, it includes not only surf/bhop but tf2 rocket/sticky jumping, sliding, quake 3 race maps
this and CS:S are what people should be playing rn
@@catethps yeah literally I just surf for fun but when I do I just hop on css until momentum mod launches
@@nexs4n i forgot its not out yet 😅 ive been in the closed access and its an amazing platform for movement games
shoutout gocnak the GOAT
I wish cs2 was never a thing and we stuck with csgo
agreed 😢
Same. There was nothing wrong with csgo. They should have just brought 128 tick mm and that would have been enough.
+1 to this, give back csgo
@@theodorebagwell420 they also should have fixed the anti cheat instead of making a new game
@@theodorebagwell420 I have to disagree. Saying there was nothing wrong with CS:GO is like saying "there is nothing wrong with horses. We never should have invented cars". Valve pushed the Source 1 engine to its absolute limits which made development more complicated as time went on. They made the right decision to rewrite the game on a new engine to make future development and support easier for the devs.
KZ is also pretty bad now
Ownage
I want to play kreedz. I think they have a way for you to play on GO, but I'm not sure.
@@datmanjay420 kreedz has multiple csgo kz servers open
6:05
@@datmanjay420 you can still play kz on the legacy version of csgo but the community server browser doesnt work so you need to have the server ips saved
unfortunately valve does not give a single fuck about the near perfect movement source 1 gave or the community built around it, upgrading it into something less responsive and accurate wasn't a mistake or something they just looked over. it won't make them enough money for the amount of effort it would take to fix their shitty "new and improved" engine. making video games better with time is a thing of the past, at least we get to look at shiny reflections all over the maps now to distract us from the gameplay.
man you need some fresh air… i know this channel is all about negativity but you can have some hope that they will fix things eventually… at least you dont have to rely on a company like Nintendo to do something right
@@ToTheStars65 fr a lot of this community really needs to touch grass. I think its also the dearth of content that isnt comp or premier. A working server browser, some more of the old game modes like scoutsknives and a return of 5v5 unranked. Then we need to give out comp cooldowns for toxicity more readily, at least for a little while to force people to remember their worth as a human being isnt measured by their CS rating or comp rank. That the people they are shouting profanities and slurs at over comms when a clutch is fumbled are their fellow community members. People just like them, we all make mistakes, have bad matches, and bad days.
"Making video games better with time is a thing of the past." What? Video games of the past couldn't be updated. Live service games like Siege that have been updated for almost a decade didn't exist before.
@@ToTheStars65that’s the thing though, things like that should have been ready to go on release but valve rushed an unfinished game. He’s not entirely wrong, valve doesn’t care. As long as people buy cases they won’t change. Even though community servers is what kept every CS previously alive and still have people playing now. They completely destroyed the movement community like kz, bhop, surf, etc. in cs2.
@@kieran8266Wrong comment.
I can confirm that CSS was not only the best version of CS to surf on, but the best version of CS period. As someone who played CS since the WON days (before Steam), CSS simply provided me with the most fun both in community servers, and in a competitive environment playing in CEVO and ESEA. I will admit though, playing some of the old aim maps on 1.5/1.6 were a ton of fun, and the Warcraft 3 Frozen Throne server mods made the game absolutely absurd with all the things it added. I remember renting a server on 1.5, cancelling my payment after a month or 2, and then finding that they apparently forgot about it and left it up with full access to modify the server for over a year.
Here's hoping Momentum Mod actually decides to go into a live/ complete state sometime this decade.
It will forsure lol, If you haven't had a chance to test it yet I'll just let you know its pretty solid.
he codes on twitch daily. for the last how many years. go ask him when hes live.
This isn't limit to only surfers, but for the majority of community servers, majority of CS's playerbase come from community server which is not supported very well currently. I think their main focus right now is on the competitive side of the game, if they really want the player base back, they should also focus on the community side as well.
Funny thing about that random pixel appearing on ramp, it's not only on surf. I noticed a lot of times I would be stuck just by playing regular maps, like pixel blocks or smthing where it should not had.
I clocked up 5k hours on CSS solely playing community servers, scouts knives, gungame, breakfloor, zombie, dm, nades only, etc. When GO released that was all gone, so that's when I first started playing competitive and I've always hated it, all the sweaty camping, holding angles, nerdy nade lineups and microsecond timing etc was just never my play style. I just want to hold W and click heads. In fact I even switched to Battlefield 3 for several years because it was way more loose and fun.
SAME. Thats why I really miss "Flying scoutsman", 5v5 unranked and still spend a good portion of my time playing Casual. It gets tiresome telling the tryhards to chill tf out, its just a game, its supposed to be fun and if its making you angry and do actual WORK to even feel like its worthwhile maybe the problem isnt your teammates letting you down. Maybe its your attitude. I've pretty much abandoned Mirage. Its a drowning hazard with all the sweat in there. Luckily Office and Nuke have retained a bit of the fun-first culture from yesteryear. Though Nuke is really its own kind of tryhard haven, not for winning or lineups but for movement enthusiasts looking for clips like they're all gonna be the next FranzJ 😮💨
@@kacidy so true. 99% of the CS player base act like they're pros or making money from their 7 twitch viewers 😂😂
main reason i still play CSS most of the time is the community servers. dedicated people currating an actual community makes for a better playing experience.
Are css community servers still alive? I used to play zombie escape a lot. I was thinking about going back to css..
@@pod4707 yes, very. CSS is THE community gamemode game in the counter strike franchise
The type of people who make community mods and stuff are moving to the fortnite/epic, or roblox environment or just making their own games. It’s never been easier to make a game. Why make a free mod that’s liable to break when you can develop a mod in a monetized environment or your own game and self publish? When the source 2 environment lacks documentation, guides, support, and monetization? It’s the complete opposite of what source used to be.
Source 2 doesn't lack documentation, guides or support. It's all in the same place as that same content for Source. About monetization, there wasn't for Source either.
@@JerryO1995 yea there wasn’t monetization for source but there were not a ton of competing monetized models. It wasn’t as easy to watch a TH-cam guide and make a game in unreal or unity. It is a completely different environment and the kinds of people who made these tools and resources for old source games are no longer captured by this ecosystem. It’s no longer the place where fun innovations happen. It’s a empty nearly abandoned mall in a death spiral while more and more stores close and less and less shops open up
thanks for putting this out there, and props to repster for covering it continuously
Peak cs for me was surf AND zombies, on 1.6 surf_ski2, nothing can beat the feeling you get when you're the last human, surfing as fast as possible while dodging a server full of zombies trying to hit you, knowing that if you mess up just a little and fall, you're cooked
There's a project called momentum mod that aims to combine many different source movement mods into one game it's genuinely sick
got into cs in 2015 and enjoyed the game a lot, but I met someone in matchmaking and he started surfing after our game. it absolutely changed my life and I absolutely would not stop surfing, and still do it quite frequently. a couple of notes I have about this vid (repster did a really good job with the main reasons for cs2 surf dying) in regards to surf as a whole:
yes, people do take it that seriously. think of it as a speedrunning community, where people are constantly trying to innovate on new maps, or grind out small improvements on older maps. the best part about surfing is you don't have to be the best in the world to feel satisfaction, you can just enjoy the feeling of getting a new personal best. some of my favorite feelings is playing a map I haven't played in a while and destroying my time because I have improved so much since last time I played that map.
the other major thing is the movement communities seem to be in a sort of limbo right now. i will say for myself, that I haven't been surfing as much recently because it feels like it won't be as enjoyable or gratifying until momentum mod comes out. if you don't know about momentum mod look it up, its basically a standalone surf game and is going to be amazing, it is just being done by a small dev team out of passion and they will slowly but surely put it out and it will most definitely revive interest in the gamemode. until then, its either buy counter strike source, struggle through cs2, or play on a much smaller community (tf2, cs 1.6, roblox etc)
I like that this shows people that surf and other ways to play exist. Nice vid.
TLDR; small pixels on the surfs ramp that blocks you and it’s happening more frequent in cs2.
Thanks for covering CS Surf :)
In csgo there used to be so many populated 5v5 Community Competitive servers that let you use ANY SKIN you wanted.
for me, when I click on the community server tab, it tabs out my game and the window pops up on my desktop and then I have to open cs2 again only to minimize when I click inside the community server tab
I predicted this. Dota 2 reborn also had a very wide gamut of issues and problems, and it didn't even have community servers and maps yet.
this is what thescore needed on their channel surf should be recognised more, its so skillfull
you might be the most lovable thescore representative, good vid!
0:55 *stages or long continuous maps.
Not a big deal, but tiers are the skill level of maps and stages are sections within a map. Thank you for participating in the surf community and bringing it to more people's radar, love the content:)
Thanks for this video! I have been surfing for a long time ... my first surf map was surf_water_run and I remember surf_egypt well also. Videos like this help bring visibility to our beloved hobby. Mariowned is a super nice guy and is still around in the community. Mappers like Nyro with surf_Lt_omnific have made a longlasting impact on style that still resonates to this day. I am thankful for all the friends and memories Surfing has given me over the decades!
PS: CS:Source surfing is still the best aint no question
CS2 is suffering from the same neglect and ignorance from valve as tf2 does, valve just doesnt care about things like this
Glad to see a channel this big discussing this
at the end dude just named off all my childhood severs
YES THANKS FOR COVERING THIS. MORE PEOPLE NEED TO SURF / AT LEAST KNOW ABOUT SURFING.
I was by no means an expert at surfing but some of my fondest CS memories are associated with surfing in CS Source
The new server browser feature in cs2 is actually so abysmal. Its so hard to find shit to the point where it almost feels like its on purpose.
I’ve been surfing in css since cs2 came out and honestly it’s chill. New graphics will be hype but css will always be there for us.
3:12 Valve does not release documentation for plugin development. They didn't for CSGO either. It's entirely reverse-engineered.
I used to surf a little bit in cscz. But i loved scoutz_knivez and Kz_mountain climbers in cscz
I have played the cs franchise on and off since around 2003 and 75-80% of my game time is in community servers, mainly KZ and surf. This situation is just sad..
It's super rare to encounter a ramp bug in csgo.
Zombie Escape is probably also on the yips with CS2, I assume
Actually doing really well. In China it can get 1500 + players in peak it’s fucking nuts how popular it’s growing there.
And ze is likely most organized of the communities rn. West is very unified in quality control.
The server browser in CS Source could find thousands of servers in seconds on a shitty connection in 2005. And when you search with tags: literally instant search results from their database! All gungame servers found in the blink of an eye. It's unbelievable how bad the experience twenty years later is.
I probably got the best memories from back then jb in cs:s
Great video glad you highlighted the dope shit
css ksf surf is still alive and fun as ever
I think this is a good time to say that I'm working on a minecraft mod to implement surfing and bhopping into minecraft. We currently just have air strafing and bhopping but we're working on surf :)
As a surfer, it really hurts my heart.
thanks for raising youre voice for them
This is actually really interesting, cause yesterday I was looking at trying to surf (haven't really played cs2 since it came out), and I tried to use the community browser and it wont even load anything. Thought it was just broken, sucks this is like a big issue.
The server browser is the steam internal serverbrowser with a inbound connection in cs2 its not even in the game itself thats why it opens in a new window
This is what happens when people keep giving valve a pass for releasing a half ass game. GAMES NEED TO BE FUNCTIONAL ON RELEASE.Not fix it on the go, like a live game bs
you cannot release a fully ready game nowadays anymore. things are way to complex and become even complexer when facing a multimillion onlinecommunity. It was like this and it always will be like this. yes you can build tetris maybe without ever updatimg it, but not a game like CS with new engine. Be patient or come back when its ready
@@sukese.cinematics You can for sure release a working game, with good anti-cheat on release. Thats how games were, and are with so many sp games and mp games. E.g. Balders gate and Helldivers. They released it unfinished because they know people fans like you won't question it ........ this is just sad
@sukese.cinematics Ah, I see. So all those games that have released that weren't broken on release don't exist. The hundreds of thousands of games. Yup. No Mario games have released. Pikmin 4? Nah. Helldivers 2? Guess not. Trepang²? Never happened. Half-Life: Alyx??? Definitely not.
But what do I know?
@@DesolateLavender Great mindset. If someone is producing shit, then i am gonna keep eating that shit and not complain. When Sony messed with helldivers PSN login requirement, literally more than half the community left the game and gave negative reviews. But I guess people just keep giving CS2 free pass.
@@SleepyV3rt I'm gonna be real: I might be stupid, because I can't tell if you're agreeing with me, even after 3 rereads.
im still waiting for combat surf and scout knives to make its comeback
Still waiting for momentum mod
momentum mod is our saviour
No.
Have been waiting for access for 2 years
@@gamax4254 same bro :D and some of my friends have gotten it the next day of requesting
only two things I never learned in my 20+ years of CS. How to Surfer and how to B hop. I can Surfer for a bit until it goes around a bend then I fall off or shoot off the top. I can maybe land 2 clean b hops.
I miss surf combat maps.
Momentum mod needs to come out soon
Simple man I see Repster I upvote
funny timing on this video, yesterday i finished setting up my private CSGO surf server, since CS2 surf is unplayable.
The audio cut at 5:06 seems very unintentional. Unsure if that's the kind of thing @theScore esports will care to fix, but one can dream.
They need to add +stage back and change the +left /+right speeds back to what they were in CS go
It would be awesome if valve would publish an offical surf gamemode with leaderboard and a mappool
i actually haven't had the ramp bug happen to me that much, but the awful server browser makes it annoying to play on surf servers. The old server browser may not be great, but it worked and holds a lot of nostalgia.
i love surf i hope they fix things soon
All pro surfing takes place in CS Source because the lighter client = more ticks = more speed and because other commands like cl_yawspeed exist which do not in GO and 2 which allow you to adjust the sensitivity of your turn binds. other factors like smaller player models also play a part in that. I don't see that changing any time soon. While it's nice for Valve to fix surfing in CS2, its mostly for casual surfers.
we got digital divide in cs2 before gta 6
I always used surfing to get a feeling for my mouse before warming up. But this edge bug males it really hard to play…at least there is a plug in now wich reduces the bug, its now implemented in most servers
Csgo surfing is what first got me into cs I’ve tried it on cs2 a handful of times and have been so disappointed. The shiny new thing is nice, but the thing working is much more important
happy as fuck for reptor getting a feature on this
Ngl I thought it was just me who keeps sticking on ramps
I didn’t even know there were community servers in this game 💀
I like cs2 but csgo surfing / kz / bhop is just better. Idk wtf it is, but idc if they fix servers, ramp bug, or optimization. I'm always gonna just launch csgo when i join a movement server. They got !ws as well so thats a bonus
Hopefully this will revive CS:S surfing. And then people playing CS:S surfing might just play normal CS:S
same happened to KZ btw. i grinded that mode so hard for a few k hours, but its basically dead now.
I clicked on the globe button in cs2 the one for community servers, zero cs2 servers, but I saw a server from DayZ, clicked on it, and I was already in DayZ on the server, having good time talking and stabbing random innocent people for duct tape, truly a good CS experience
hecka people still surfin cs2
I actually thought I got worse at surfing when switching from CS:GO to CS2 because I always suddenly bumped into these bugs. I didn't know that they were a thing for many other people. I even bumped into the SAME EXACT SPOTS as shown in the video. huh...
I think your intro is said it perfect. When cs2 dropped CS lost its identity.
here i was wishing theyd incorporate surfing officially into CS and valve kills the whole scene instead it's crazy
I still play surf on 1.6 or css. I tried surf_ski2 on cs2, i didnt have rampbugs but seeing your legs just throws me off lol.
Hello
what’s the website for the third party map browser?
ramp bug just infuriates me
repster on the score ayyo what
Shout out to FragSurf which was created for combat surfers. It feels very similar to surfing in cs.
its also free
It's really a shame that a lot of the simple things in this game still aren't even fixed or released after this much time of the game being released.
whats the website thats like a second party communtiy browser?
Regarding the server browser, it's almost impossible to find any server you can connect to that is solid in any way. I play on EU server with t5-t8 maps which can be done in CS2, but the amount of ramp stutters is horrendours. I cannot say if it's servers/engines fault, but the state valve released the server browsing experience worst that it's ever been in any of their games, including HL1.
WCS Surf was the absolute GOAT
I've always used external server lists like gamemonitor back in the day, and gametracker. I don't see a big issue. There are so many higher priority things for valve to work on.
*UNINSTALLED*
well well
lol i havent played for a long time. but i spent thousands of hours of my childhood playing cs 1.6. i remember how joining some some servers infects your client and makes you automatically advertise for that site in the chat. or even makes it so that what ever button u click on the menu connects you to that server. lots of crazy shit xD
The GOAT repster
It will recover. But it sucks that right now it's not at a great state