This is a huge deviation from the content I usually post, but it's a topic I have strong feelings about and skateboarding does not need the glamorization of bullying and violence that Mikey Alfred and Illegal Civ is promoting. This video doesn't even cover the allegations of Mikey charging one of his former team riders $700k for his clips, deleting criticisms in the comment sections and attacking critics via Instagram Stories, and the weird creepy vibes from the first video shown in this video. Those vibes reminds me of an older college dude hanging around a high school trying to pick up freshmen girls. For all the clips covered here, I wasn't there and you weren't there. The only people that know exactly what happened are the people who were actually there. The only things I can comment on are what Illegal Civ has shown themselves and anything else is pure speculation. I do not claim to have a full and factual knowledge of all the altercations here. Please post your thoughts about this subject in the comments below. PS: Sorry for the bad audio levels, still figuring out OBS.
1st clip the old lady cld easy mind her own business n walk by plus the boys moved out the way yeh its not there path or whatever but she cld of easily walked by no harm,then they were talking about her as she walks away n ill play the law game like you are, it was freedom of speech lol dun nothing wrong.
@@extraggs9084 Completely agree. This guy is such a lame. Even IF he was right he just made a 17 minute youtube video criticizing skaters for being generally lawless, and anti-authority. He needs a reality check.
10:30 I don’t think anyone is scared it’s just if you were a real skater you would understand this situation they are skating not hurting anyone so ofc the security has no fear in them ic is not getting the best rep right now but your still not making the right accusations there’s really no bullying in this video the old lady asked for them to not Stand in the walk and the kid was trying to clear the walk way asking where she needed to go Im not supporting ic or hating against them
@@Nevrollie i think he go jealous of the success of mid90s and mikey is just a attention seeker trying to get more fame. probably why his old friends don’t fw him anymore.
The guy in the blue hoodie in the first vid is chill. He told the k8d that was talking shit to chill out as you can see when he turns to his right and taps the kis on the chest
I was gonna say y bro making the video grilling him saying they all squared up all if the older kids and adults just looked bro godamn😭😭😭even homie in the blue hoodie was like chill out
Gifted Hater started a butterfly effect. Mikey Alfred has been like this since day one but ever since Gifted Hater pointed out how weird and corny he is, things have just been downhill for Illegal Civ
We need more Companies like Baker, where the owner Andrew Reynolds took good care Kader was on a good mind set when he was younger ... or maybe we just don't need Mikey Alfred around.
No one was squaring up. Realistically. She’s a nice lady. The kids were on camera acting out. Nothing unusual happened. A rude encounter at most. The kids aren’t that bad.
Totally agree with ya mate. I honestly couldn’t even finish watching your vid, only because of the footage. I was hyped on IC when it first started. Then immediately noticed the unnecessary filler footage, then completely off my radar. I’m not at all saying they’re the only or first to do it, but it really is highlighted. It’s sad, because so many people are so easily impressionable they might think “this is skateboarding”. Fucken’a…respect my friend.
6:38 thats where i disagree, security guards shouldnt be putting their hands on nobody including hats on ppls heads. he provoked him thinking hes a cop and cant be touched. If the security guard got an issue he should just call the cops like hes trained to.
They gotta secure their properties from street hooligans. Know they can't go whooping ass on some antagonistic minors, but they can punk them by flicking off their ever-so-stylishly placed hat, the response was cool on the kids part but instead of posting up, he took off because he's a pus-pus deep down. Fight or flight and he...
@@illiturit1151 I mean yeah I don't disagree the kid is a puss but he's a kid. Most of them are lol, but no they cannot punk someone or touch their stylish hat as someone who actually attended and completed class to become one number one thing they tell you is your ass ain't a cop, you're supposed observe and report. They didn't put "you can punk children if needed to get them to leave" if they won't leave call the police. They wet blankets too, they just wanna feel like they got some kind of authority but especially in this age where ppl are offended on everything if that footage was shown to his employer they'd bite their nails.
I skated with a group of kids that acted like this before. I was so embarrassed and didn't have anything to do with them after. Very toxic and shouldn't be romanticized
You seem like a dope kid and u have some valid points but I just feel like u don't understand enough about the history of skateboarding (specifically in california). Weve been demonized for decades. I kind of dont blame the younger generation for portraying what everyone has put on them for years.
I agree with certain stuff you said but in a couple clips like the security one where he goes out of his way to touch the kids belongings and knock his hat off I don’t think it’s fair to expect a kid to have better self control than the adult and not react to that. Plus it’s pretty obvious what the “ car backing up a little bit” was trying to do. It’s not fair to exaggerate the IC behaviour and minimalise the publics.
Damn I get yo message gang but why u sound so scared say ts wit yo chest. I agree wit it but jaqweze (guy in blue hoodie) wasn’t pressing the lady he was tryna tell those kids to chill
for future reference you should try shortening your thoughts into small sentences. i found that most of this vid was just you rambling. all luv tho no hate just criticism
LOL the funny thing is that USUALLY skaters are the ones who get intimidated because most of them tend to be thinner/smaller/weaker than your average guy
While I do think they are out of order even if there is someone skateboarding on your property you should never grab their board from them. That is stealing someone else’s property. That’s why the guy laughing grabbed it back from him because it’s not his property. He should have called the authorities instead of taking the board.
I dont like illegal civ either, but 7 mins into the video and everything you said has been you trippin. Nobody squared up on the little old lady, who cares that they talked shit after she left. Seriously who cares. I would've been more concerned if they actually said it to her face which is what you suggested. That would've be dumb. And if someone puts hands on me im putting hands back on them. It doesn't matter if you're skateboarding or biking or trespassing. People can use their words and unless i pose a threat to them or someone else they can use their words.
I disagree with not skating on houses and in driveways that has always been a part of street skating, i strongly dislike mikey and IC and i think they are desperate for attention and therefor using shock value to get that attention
In the video at the house they didn’t show themselves skating anything they shouldn’t, they were just on the sidewalk which is public and lots of people skate and walk there. But based on that stair set at the house I bet they tried it and didn’t include the clip
Everything seems justifiable not in a civilized way but streets way. If you mind your business you should be good but once you touch someone or someone's property you're gonna have a reaction from the streets. Guard one, guard should have kept to himself. If the kid would have done of that for no literal reason then kid is a complete jack. Car one, the car supposedly called them a n word but then the car literally went into reverse and almost hit a person threatening way so you a get a response of glass breaking. The guy grabbing the board by his house shouldn't have called the cops. The guy who is giving his opinion isn't streetful as all. Civilized suburban, I would question if he even speeds lol Skateboarding is a rough sport and was made famous for its rawness in 90's and early 2000's. People would trespass into people backyards to Skate empty pools. To then skating the streets since skate parks weren't in every city they move to schools and commercial buildings. Moral of the story being civilized is calling the cops or preventing harm Streets rules are stand up for yourself automatically and keep to yourself and mind your business. Recording it all is stupid but it's about chaos, people love choas. subjects like action movies or horror movies. People like this know the risk but it makes great footage and as a director your job is make great footage
Shi like this has been happening in the skate scene this ain’t the first time violence with security guards and other people have been in skate videos.
This is not authentic. IC, this channel, the whole debate... Dude was just triggered by the disrespect the elder asian lady faced. sTaHp aSiAn hAtE. When in fact he dresses a black man as a clown for the thumbnail - highly questionable...(eventhough mikey clearly IS a clown).
this is the skate culture, nobody is trying to be tough, if you had a problem with them, then confront them and not go and post a damn video, this new generation is sensitive, bro you literally took time out your day to target these guys for what skate culture is nd has always been. ignorance is skate culture its how people get clips bro, you obviously never been that hungry so all i see is hate.
@@jasoncortez343 skate culture is different and has been ignorant for years so ease up jason, it sucks that your life never was like some so you gotta hate
Bro littlery nobody was being tuff she could have nicely asked them to move out of the way and they probly where we're talking shit about the old lady but thats only because she was giving them an attitude.
This is a huge deviation from the content I usually post, but it's a topic I have strong feelings about and skateboarding does not need the glamorization of bullying and violence that Mikey Alfred and Illegal Civ is promoting.
This video doesn't even cover the allegations of Mikey charging one of his former team riders $700k for his clips, deleting criticisms in the comment sections and attacking critics via Instagram Stories, and the weird creepy vibes from the first video shown in this video. Those vibes reminds me of an older college dude hanging around a high school trying to pick up freshmen girls.
For all the clips covered here, I wasn't there and you weren't there. The only people that know exactly what happened are the people who were actually there. The only things I can comment on are what Illegal Civ has shown themselves and anything else is pure speculation. I do not claim to have a full and factual knowledge of all the altercations here.
Please post your thoughts about this subject in the comments below.
PS: Sorry for the bad audio levels, still figuring out OBS.
1st clip
the old lady cld easy mind her own business n walk by plus the boys moved out the way yeh its not there path or whatever but she cld of easily walked by no harm,then they were talking about her as she walks away n ill play the law game like you are, it was freedom of speech lol dun nothing wrong.
@@extraggs9084 Completely agree. This guy is such a lame. Even IF he was right he just made a 17 minute youtube video criticizing skaters for being generally lawless, and anti-authority. He needs a reality check.
10:30 I don’t think anyone is scared it’s just if you were a real skater you would understand this situation they are skating not hurting anyone so ofc the security has no fear in them ic is not getting the best rep right now but your still not making the right accusations there’s really no bullying in this video the old lady asked for them to not Stand in the walk and the kid was trying to clear the walk way asking where she needed to go Im not supporting ic or hating against them
illegal civ went from a cool group of friends (except mikey) to degenerate tweens being persuaded by an grown man
they were not ever cool though
@@Nevrollie i think he go jealous of the success of mid90s and mikey is just a attention seeker trying to get more fame. probably why his old friends don’t fw him anymore.
@Anthony Ayze meh, far from my cup of tea
@@Nevrollie fr fr. Just some lame OF inspired thing.
Have y'all seen his new video talking about his car lol m.th-cam.com/video/iY2uzmgiCHs/w-d-xo.html check it out 🤣
The guy in the blue hoodie in the first vid is chill. He told the k8d that was talking shit to chill out as you can see when he turns to his right and taps the kis on the chest
He even told the lil buddy to shut up.
I was gonna say y bro making the video grilling him saying they all squared up all if the older kids and adults just looked bro godamn😭😭😭even homie in the blue hoodie was like chill out
IC has always felt like a skate frat from the designs to how they act not surprised but thank you for calling it out
what do you expect from a skate group that dresses like a country club lmao
Gifted Hater started a butterfly effect. Mikey Alfred has been like this since day one but ever since Gifted Hater pointed out how weird and corny he is, things have just been downhill for Illegal Civ
Pretty sad if that’s the case. I feel bad for anyone who couldn’t tell IC has been wack for a decade now.
Yeah I think a lot of us older guys did. It’s more the early teen kids that were mystified by the allure of IC
We need more Companies like Baker, where the owner Andrew Reynolds took good care Kader was on a good mind set when he was younger ... or maybe we just don't need Mikey Alfred around.
Yeah, not only do they kill it, they’re also not entitled assholes. Baker will stay winning for the foreseeable future.
@@psyche234 lord willin' I wish them all the best.
Guy in the blue was not squared up, he actually told then to chill out later, I know that fool and he’s pretty respectful
Definitely looked like he sized the old lady up to me..
Being tall makes you scary but he has no control over that.
@@AskYaMommyBoutMeBoi you can be 5’5 and intimidate a 5’0 old lady
@@Idontevenexist00 word
No one was squaring up. Realistically. She’s a nice lady. The kids were on camera acting out. Nothing unusual happened. A rude encounter at most. The kids aren’t that bad.
Totally agree with ya mate. I honestly couldn’t even finish watching your vid, only because of the footage. I was hyped on IC when it first started. Then immediately noticed the unnecessary filler footage, then completely off my radar. I’m not at all saying they’re the only or first to do it, but it really is highlighted. It’s sad, because so many people are so easily impressionable they might think “this is skateboarding”. Fucken’a…respect my friend.
6:38 thats where i disagree, security guards shouldnt be putting their hands on nobody including hats on ppls heads. he provoked him thinking hes a cop and cant be touched. If the security guard got an issue he should just call the cops like hes trained to.
They gotta secure their properties from street hooligans. Know they can't go whooping ass on some antagonistic minors, but they can punk them by flicking off their ever-so-stylishly placed hat, the response was cool on the kids part but instead of posting up, he took off because he's a pus-pus deep down. Fight or flight and he...
@@illiturit1151 I mean yeah I don't disagree the kid is a puss but he's a kid. Most of them are lol, but no they cannot punk someone or touch their stylish hat as someone who actually attended and completed class to become one number one thing they tell you is your ass ain't a cop, you're supposed observe and report. They didn't put "you can punk children if needed to get them to leave" if they won't leave call the police. They wet blankets too, they just wanna feel like they got some kind of authority but especially in this age where ppl are offended on everything if that footage was shown to his employer they'd bite their nails.
Blue hoodie wasn’t even squaring up doe…
I skated with a group of kids that acted like this before. I was so embarrassed and didn't have anything to do with them after. Very toxic and shouldn't be romanticized
Thanks for talking about the situation man had no clue this even happened
I want to see the dislike ratio on Mikey Alfred videos so bad😂😂😂
@@eriksandell. ty
You seem like a dope kid and u have some valid points but I just feel like u don't understand enough about the history of skateboarding (specifically in california). Weve been demonized for decades. I kind of dont blame the younger generation for portraying what everyone has put on them for years.
the dude in the blue hoodie was talking to the kid in the stripped shirt.
The kid also said “chancla” which is flip flop in Spanish.
I agree with certain stuff you said but in a couple clips like the security one where he goes out of his way to touch the kids belongings and knock his hat off I don’t think it’s fair to expect a kid to have better self control than the adult and not react to that.
Plus it’s pretty obvious what the “ car backing up a little bit” was trying to do. It’s not fair to exaggerate the IC behaviour and minimalise the publics.
No cap, I get true racist vibes from Mikey Alfred and some of the other Riders
Damn I get yo message gang but why u sound so scared say ts wit yo chest. I agree wit it but jaqweze (guy in blue hoodie) wasn’t pressing the lady he was tryna tell those kids to chill
No dude was not doing that he was blocking it more you blind or something
@@rubybulling2012 u can see he said something to the kid when the old lady walked away
I want the Thorne Benatar vs Mikey Alfred fight booked immediately!
That would be the nerdiest saddest fight ever booked in a boxing ring😭😭😭😭
Bro is gifted hater 😭😭😭😭
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As Mikey would say thorne “don’t get knocked out ooh” 😂
for future reference you should try shortening your thoughts into small sentences. i found that most of this vid was just you rambling. all luv tho no hate just criticism
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Yo finally the first gifted hater clone
Is it me or has skateboarding always been filled with characters that illegal civ is trynna be like?
They need to Grow UP! thought they were soo funny and let alone post it. F@&k ILLegal Civ! Will never support that brand ever!
We need mikeys head on display for biggest clown
hell week for mikey alfred
LOL the funny thing is that USUALLY skaters are the ones who get intimidated because most of them tend to be thinner/smaller/weaker than your average guy
Yeah i dont exactly agree w their recent vids . But no one did this to hijinx unlimited when they were doing the exact same things
Guy in the blue hoodie wasn’t squaring up and I’m curious who was being gangster and how?
mann fr,i think he was asking lil bruh to chill out u can see he said something to him
While I do think they are out of order even if there is someone skateboarding on your property you should never grab their board from them. That is stealing someone else’s property. That’s why the guy laughing grabbed it back from him because it’s not his property. He should have called the authorities instead of taking the board.
How did these dudes get there own movie💀
IC is garbage one dude Logan Kirshak didn’t wanna support them so Mikey charging him 700k for his clips IC a buncha clowns now
LETS GOOOOO!!! SHIT ON EM!!!!!!!
I dont like illegal civ either, but 7 mins into the video and everything you said has been you trippin. Nobody squared up on the little old lady, who cares that they talked shit after she left. Seriously who cares. I would've been more concerned if they actually said it to her face which is what you suggested. That would've be dumb. And if someone puts hands on me im putting hands back on them. It doesn't matter if you're skateboarding or biking or trespassing. People can use their words and unless i pose a threat to them or someone else they can use their words.
Mickey let the hunger for money block the real vision of just havin fun skating and making videos
I bet Thorne is a black belt and surprises allot of people with an ass kicking
really putting the “illegal” in illegal civ
I disagree with not skating on houses and in driveways that has always been a part of street skating, i strongly dislike mikey and IC and i think they are desperate for attention and therefor using shock value to get that attention
why would they even post that video??
Thank you thorne!
In the video at the house they didn’t show themselves skating anything they shouldn’t, they were just on the sidewalk which is public and lots of people skate and walk there. But based on that stair set at the house I bet they tried it and didn’t include the clip
oh I just know this is gonna be a good one
Everything seems justifiable not in a civilized way but streets way.
If you mind your business you should be good but once you touch someone or someone's property you're gonna have a reaction from the streets.
Guard one, guard should have kept to himself. If the kid would have done of that for no literal reason then kid is a complete jack.
Car one, the car supposedly called them a n word but then the car literally went into reverse and almost hit a person threatening way so you a get a response of glass breaking.
The guy grabbing the board by his house shouldn't have called the cops.
The guy who is giving his opinion isn't streetful as all. Civilized suburban, I would question if he even speeds lol
Skateboarding is a rough sport and was made famous for its rawness in 90's and early 2000's. People would trespass into people backyards to Skate empty pools. To then skating the streets since skate parks weren't in every city they move to schools and commercial buildings.
Moral of the story being civilized is calling the cops or preventing harm
Streets rules are stand up for yourself automatically and keep to yourself and mind your business.
Recording it all is stupid but it's about chaos, people love choas. subjects like action movies or horror movies. People like this know the risk but it makes great footage and as a director your job is make great footage
chankla not chakra
Children is the correct term.
I honestly dunno who’s Mikey
totally agree brotha
3:25 he talking about some if your gonna talk sh** to say it to there face but he talkin mad sh** and hasn’t said nothing to mikey
where tf is he supposed to find mikey? on the street ? are u jokin i cant tell
@@x1xx1x1xx in LA lmao
@@imchunliimsubzero is he gonna walk into la and just randomly find mikey lol
@@x1xx1x1xx He's probably at fatburger lmao 😂 or check a country club
great video great thoughts
Love your content dude ❤ never liked IC..
Shi like this has been happening in the skate scene this ain’t the first time violence with security guards and other people have been in skate videos.
Yeah there’s a difference between a security guard and an old lady
i don’t like mikey but some of your takes are corny
this video is so weird, telling people how to act in a public park. they’re kids and mikey is a ‘director’
Check out the song I made about him
juicing this
Agree
i see nothing wrong with the first part youve been bullied huh she said something they responded the kid said make way for her lol wimp
bro wants to be gifted hater so bad
This comment is cringe af 😂
Yeah nobody can review clips now i guess
nah bro, not enough shitty memes plastered everywhere
Lmao
This is not authentic. IC, this channel, the whole debate...
Dude was just triggered by the disrespect the elder asian lady faced. sTaHp aSiAn hAtE.
When in fact he dresses a black man as a clown for the thumbnail - highly questionable...(eventhough mikey clearly IS a clown).
IC in last place
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you needa relax 😂 they got you triggered. pull up on them if you really that tight
L response. IC has been wack for a long time. If you want to support that clown Mikey, you go ahead.
this is the skate culture, nobody is trying to be tough, if you had a problem with them, then confront them and not go and post a damn video, this new generation is sensitive, bro you literally took time out your day to target these guys for what skate culture is nd has always been. ignorance is skate culture its how people get clips bro, you obviously never been that hungry so all i see is hate.
a grown ass man shouldn’t be hanging out with kids and smoking them out, i don’t think endangering minors is apart of skate culture
@@jasoncortez343 skate culture is different and has been ignorant for years so ease up jason, it sucks that your life never was like some so you gotta hate
@@gherna8624 shit atleast i don’t spend my free time with little kids
@@jasoncortez343 you're a bum dying over spoiled milk dude shut up
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Wtf
Bro littlery nobody was being tuff she could have nicely asked them to move out of the way and they probly where we're talking shit about the old lady but thats only because she was giving them an attitude.
I.C. Will stay losing