Was GOTHIKA (2003) Really THAT Bad?!
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Gothica was pretty bad IMO, hoyever… Possession (1981) is GREAT and tragically under discussed you should totally do a deep dive 😉 love ya, Ryan.
Unfortunately, I got nothing to add to what you ask.
But, here's yet another obligatory request for Night in the Woods and Pink Floyd's The Wall.
Signs. It's a good movie. There, I said it.
Suggestions:
Session 9
Dead birds
Evil Ed
Chasing Sleep
Thanks!
I don't have a bad film suggestion but I have adored La Haine for the longest time. I'd love if you cover it in further depth. *Edit* cos my brain can't grammar
@@jpvielleux I think he already reviewed Signs
Movie was done wrong by its advertising campaign. It looked like an intense supernatural thriller/slasher film set in a haunted asylum and ended up being way more of a psychological drama, which the audience didn't expect and didn't come to see.
Reminds me of the marketing for Max Payne. For anyone unaware of what it was they were expecting something supernatural akin to Constantine.
The wrong marketing will kill almost any film
Jennifer's Body suffered for it's marketing too.
This film was a hit though, it grossed $100M over it's budget.
As a victim of abuse, its nice to see stories like this told. This is reality: victims are rarely believed and abusers are often manipulative and in positions of power/well-connected. I will put this film on my list now. Thank you.
I agree.. it’s horrible to go through trauma like that and having to proof it afterwards. Having to go through years of therapy to make your life livable while the perpetrator walks away and moves on..
I’m so sorry for what you’ve been through, I wish you the best ❤️
Do you enjoy advertising your abuse online for attention? You totally could have left "As a victim of abuse, it's nice to see stories like this told." out of your comment and it would have been just as impactful.
As a movie that speaks to abuse victims, this is an extremely unfortunate fact about the filming of the movie.
Not fun facts: RDJ fractured Halle Berry's arm during a scene where he grabbed her unnecessarily hard and twisted. She refused to ever work with him again.
@@JTguitarlessons Hey. hi. Did you know victims of abuse often find online anonymity as a safe way to speak on their experiences to reach people who may have gone through the same thing without drawing the attention of their abusers. While people can exploit this, it's not always for attention, it's a stream of consciousness.
@@JTguitarlessons silencing people who want to share and find it cathartic to do so is really lame, dude. Only adds to the stigma.
I like when ghosts torment people for a logical reason.
The "it's an evil spirit that does evil things because evil" is insanely bland compared to "i'm tormenting you to have my revenge and to get justice"
Have to say, my absolute favorite thing in horror stories is when they have some set of rules for its monsters/creatures/etc to work in and be defetated with.
When they can do anything just because, I feel a lot less involved because there is no point, the story will do whatever, whenever.
But if there ARE rules, I can feel the ods a lot better.
Watch the movie “the Crow “ if you already Haven’t
Shutters a good ghost story too
I was a teenager when I watched this movie...so maybe I just didn't hear the word that it was bad? I loved gothica, and personally still love this movie. One of my favorite horror movies to this day. Does it pull it off all the time? Heck no. But still enjoyable on so many levels.
I liked it too.
Guess it was easier to enjoy stuff before the internet came around and told you what you are allowed to like
I was younger but I remember one newspaper/magazine review of the film called it “Pathetika” and it stuck with me. I thought it was a great film though.
Same. The scene with Penelope Cruz in the isolation cell fucking traumatized me as a female. It was like my first intro to SA and it was just like yikés.
I enjoyed it too
Same here!
The scariest part is that she is treated at her old work place after presumably killing a very loved boss and coworker.
Wonder how an ethic board would react
Sounds like an interesting case study and base for a movie
Look up the documentary "Dear Zachary: A Letter To A Son About His Father". It follows similar lines you're thinking of but from a real world case perspective. I believe its still posted here at youtube.
There is a therapist that had to deal with a psychiatric review board for his part in the case. If you've never seen it. ...well, it has has a Very powerful effect on people.
I'll check it out, thanks
@@TheLakabanzaichrg If you're prone to depressive episodes or the like, you may want to wait until you're in a good head space.
@@skylx0812 I will definitely check that out! Thanks!
As others have pointed out, Crimson Peak isn't really a "horror" per se, but for that reason I think it wasn't maybe treated fairly. Taken for what it is, I think it's absolutely an interesting "charming far fetched ghost story".
Crimson Peak is a Gothic horror Romance. It fits very well with Late 18th Century/early 19th century books of the same ilk, with themes and imagery that could have come from the pen of Poe or been a cousin to Sardonicus.
Crimson peak is absolutely a horror film. It's one of those few films that swaps genre multiple times, which del Toro uses to create a gothic romance, giallo murder mystery, psychological horror, and really blend and contrast those genres to present an atmosphere of constant suspense that contrasts moments of visceral realistic horror, the same contrast he explores in pans labyrinth and shape of water especially.
I completely agree!!
its definetly horror, but gothic horror.
It’s gothic horror/gothic romance. Like, textbook.
The “horror” part of gothic horror isn’t the main event like it is in most horror media. It’s always used as an auxiliary device to tell a human story. The intent isn’t really to scare you, which is usually a quality that defines the genre of horror.
The fact that Wuthering Heights can kinda be classified as gothic horror really drives this point home.
Crimson Peak is a gothic horror/romance and people should know that going into it.
It's pretty horrific to think about how often this happens to the mentally ill and incarcerated in real life. Hell, I think I'd prefer vengeful ghosts.
As a ex psych ward patient the feeling of being questioned or being dismissed is very true even after going out of this place, your family never look at you the same way. I had to be heavily medicated while there, and the docs wanted to lock me in for 3 months (I had a maniac episode, I'm bipolar) but thankfully my family and my quiet demeanor freed me in three days only. I had a almost blackout of memories by the time I was there and after, I talked horrible things to my cousin who was with me and I can't even remember to this day. Mental ill people don't get easy, never take your mental health for granted.
Who said it was bad?! This was my go-to movie as a teenager it was brilliant 😮 still my fave Halle Berry movie
Agreed
Same! I loved it, it scared me and all my little friends
the best halle barry movie is batwoman. changed my mind !
literally same
Same! I had a worn out DVD of this as a teen. I do wonder if it was more loved by teen girls, because everyone hates what teen girls like.
I feel like "What Lies Beneath" is an underrated supernatural drama from that time too, not sure how it was received but I've always enjoyed it.
Yes! It's such a guilty pleasure, I watched it this week after years 😅
I have it as one of my "gateway" horror films, I can remember being 9/10 and renting it in blockbuster for Halloween cos my mum thought it didn't look too scary 😂
But yeah, I agree that it is similar to this one and still a decent film
Haven't seen What Lies Beneath in years. Good movie, but i still hate how the trailer for it practically gave away the ending. I wish they hadn't shown so much in the trailer, it made the reveal at the end way too easy to figure out.
Yeah. I really liked that one
The one with Harrison Ford and Michelle Pfeiffer?? Good choice!
Good choice! ✨
While it's definitely got its issues, I feel like critics were a little too harsh on 2005's *The Skeleton Key.* The mystery at the center of the story is pretty solid and the twist is well executed.
I actually love that movie.
It feels like nobody does this kind of movies nowdays, sadly. Or maybe i suck at finding them. The Skeleton Key is great.
I'm still not to fond of The Skeleton Key. Watched it in theaters when it first came out. Certainly unforgettable. That ending....
The skeleton key is exactly why I was bored with Get Out. It did the exact same twist but did it a thousand times better!
That last scene of the two characters being hauled away in the ambulance? Knowing how they lost so completely and evil won? I felt so awful for them.
@@sebastianaguilar9938 yeah that end was fucking devastating man
I love horror stories telling realistic stories in completely unrealistic ways. The horror of Gothika being more the people than the supernatural etc. Crimson Peak tickles that same itch.
No I liked Gothika, but I think what hurt the movie was how similar it was to The Sixth Sense, Stir Of Echoes, and The Others, someone that sees ghosts that helps them solve an unknown crime trend that was happening in the late 90’s and early 00’s.
Also "The Cell" which came out around the same time and was beautifully shot but very thin on coherence
@@chillcreep4926 The Cell wasn’t about ghosts though, I like to think of The Cell as The Matrix meets Horror.
Stir of Echoes is one of my all time fave horror movies - such a good story! ✨💛✨
But... but ... but I love that trope!😓
@@chillcreep4926 I love The Cell and thought it made sense. I loved the visuals and actually felt bad for the killer. And it was more psychological horror cause it had no ghosts.
Man, I remember Gothika as a film I watched with my now-boyfriend during elementary school on accident... and well, this video just gives me so much nostalgia.
I actually really like Babylon AD, I think it’s one of Diesels more interesting starring roles, very similar to Riddick, not Dominic Torreto. And the soundtrack/score is pretty slick too (edit: and if I remember correctly, the studio also drastically re-cut the directors version in favor of a more “action” style film, so that may be why you see it as boring, because they tried to make a traditional action movie out of a cyber-noir dystopian action film?)
Babylon AD. Wasn’t all that bad it was just Disappointing and Forgettable Science Fiction film It offers Great Action Sequences But not Much a Story I Loved Mutant Chronicles And Doom Though Cause they had Great Story a Likeable Characters And Critics No Nothing I think that’s why they Both Bombed at the Box Office Cause they were Misunderstood Doom And Mutant Chronicles are a Still Better than The Terrible Street Fighter: The Legend Of Chung Li And Babylon AD
Maybe, but you know what it don't have?
FAMILY
The Director even made a documentary about the production of the movie called “FUCKING KASSOVITZ”
thought it could've been a franchise or a television series better than Ghost Whisperer!
That explains a lot
Is it wrong that I feel like part of the backlash against this film is because of Limp Bizkit's "Behind Blue Eyes" being attached to it? I remember a lot of talk about that music video with assumption that the film was bad.
I'd assume so, yes.
Unpopular opinion: I liked his cover.
During the making of that film clip, Hallie Berry pranked Fred Durst by eating raw garlic before they filmed their kiss scene
Youre not alone. Not a fan of him otherwise though.
@@fjorgyn7438 I do too.
Recommended: A Stir of Echoes (1999) was sadly overshadowed during its release by the somewhat similar Sixth Sense, but is a worthy ghost story, if not a bit cliché at times. I thought the changes from the book were by and large improvements, making the ghost story more about mystery solving than revenge.
I love Stir of Echoes! Only came across it maybe 5-6 years ago and it burned in my brain. Love it!
Oooh yeah that's a good one.
I only watched The Sixth Sense once but I have watched A Stir of Echoes quite a few times.
I was waiting for someone to mention this. Though how the girl died bothered me so much as a kid that I started crying and didn't watch it again till i was like 25. Good story though.
7 out 10 critic rating is pretty good
Underrated supernatural horror: As Above, So Below released well after the found footage genre had become tired, but examined on its own I think it holds up better than its reception would have you believe.
P.S. Ryan, I would love to see you cover Await Further Instructions.
I watched As Above, So Below for the first time a couple of weeks ago, personally I wasn't keen on it, but it's not bad by any means.
Wasn’t very interested at first, but I love the Paris Catacombs and was curious. Story was far better than expected, pleasantly surprised!
I agree this was better than the hate it got. It's not the best film but, honestly, its WAY better than Blair for found footage. I'm a fan of showing less ,but Blair just doesn't give you anything. The only issue with As Above, So Below is i really don't think the average person going in understood the Alchemical references and meanings being put out in that film and that's why it got such a bad rap.
The thing I like about As Above, So Below is that it's kinda cheesy in terms of character depth at first, but it's played so seriously by the actors, it's like an indiana jones movie but found footage and horror. It's not perfect as a film though, it has jumpscares, it has the characters occasionally making really dumb decisions, but it's knows what it is and it's an absolute joy ride.
@@AlyRoad I loved the movie when it came out. I was geeking out over every little thing and how the clues to their sins were in their deaths. For me, it couldn't be a better movie. The ending worked well for me. I'm glad it finished instead of teasing anything. "Mortuary" from 2005 was almost a perfect horror movie until it was ruined in the last fifteen to twenty seconds. "As Above, So Below" is just everything for me. But not everyone going in would get it without some force-feeding which might have hurt the movie since then it might be seen as too much. It deserved better than what it got.
Like, there were clues in "Prometheus". But I watched it with some people who just lit up and others who were thinking it was a complete waste of time. I wish they kept the Engineers. Not every movie is for everybody in a knock-your-socks-off kind of way.
John Carroll Lynch doesn't get enough praise for his work, he's excellent in everything he does.
Absolutely agreed! It’s rare to find an actor that allows me to completely despise him in one role and then has me wholly devastated at his departure in another. Specifically thinking about his one episode in TWD. 😭
He shines a pretty solid acting in the American Horror Story series
Not to forget his turn in Zodiac!
Great movie and cool role with him 😊
@@2kooldancin And yet in Fargo, he's a sweet loveable guy.
I had only seen him in Volcano before Gothika and it really shocked me when he was so evil
Dolls by Stuart Gordon is a movie that I feel deserves more. It works as an introductory horror movie for young people. Also Dark Water by Hideo Nakata often gets lost under Ringu’s large shadow, yet I prefer it. And finally it’s not about ghosts but Ravenous is one of the most misunderstood and lost horror movies of the 90s
I adore Ravenous. What a haunting film.
Fun fact: half of the music team for the score was Damon Albans of Gorillaz, and almost every track is centered on Civil War songs, hymns, and folk music.
Ravenous is one of my favorite movies of all time it's absolutely brilliant and deserves more attention
Ravenous is a GEM. I think some of the incongruous tone and music was a turn off for 90s mainstream audiences.
This is one of those nostalgic movies for me. I was a teen when I saw it, had a huge crush on Halle Berry AND Robert Downey Jr., the title was GOTHika and I was a goth/punk kid, AND it was a horror movie. I love me some horror! This movie ticked all my boxes and...still does, evidentally.
Once someone decides you're "crazy", they never have to listen to you again.
Penny dreadful, although it's a show, absolutely doesn't deserve the hate it gets. Yeah it does overstay it's welcome a bit, but I love the themes of isolation and religious guilt, along with self revulsion that it goes through
What hate? Only hear good stuff about it smh
Hate? I’ve only ever heard it’s underrated and great?
I’m torn-love the mash up of gothic literature and modern horror. It’s beautifully shot. There’s just too much cringe and ridiculous writing. They’re satirical out of context. Worth watching just for Rory Kinnear as The Monster, for sure.
I like Penny Dreadful Eva Green specifically is brilliant in it
It's one of my favorite shows from the past 10 years. I love the look and feel of the show, I love the dialogue, I loved the acting and themes. All in all it was a terrific show. Plus I have a big crush on Eva Green, black hair and ghostly white skin does something for me. I'd rewatch it again but I just rewatched it a couple of months ago.
At some point in the early oughts, mainstream Hollywood decided they would just hate Halle and everything she made. I don't know who started the grudge or why but it's incredibly obvious it was some sort of hit job in posterity.
It happens to so many popular actresses. Just look at the hate Anne Hathaway got. Katherine Heigl. Megan Fox.
She just had a shit agent
@@Roseforthethorns Katherine Heigl definitely did it to herself. the others I agree though
@@Roseforthethorns Yup! And it always makes me wonder what powerful person they stood up to. We talk so much about Cancel Culture today -- it has always existed, except the power has shifted to public opinion, when it was traditionally the result of private grudges.
Pls... It's no one's fault but her own that she accepted roles for shit movies. Filtering scripts is part of the business and she was bad at it. You can blame her agent but at the end of the day it's her Choice.
Doesn't really have any hate, but Fallen is so rarely talked about in terms of Supernatural horror. Gods I love that movie so much.
Time IS on your side.
Fallen isn't hated but it IS forgotten. It's so good.
I remembered hating this movie back when I was younger but seeing your video makes me want to revisit it (I just remembered when Limp Bizkit started playing in the credits that felt like the final nail in the coffin for me)
Oh come on, that song is amazing. It's nothing like the rest of their work. You should give it another listen.
@@abcdef-jc3yf I wouldn't call the song amazing but it's by no means a bad song it was more that it was limp bizkit in general being played out of nowhere that really caught me off guard and seemed out of place for the final scene and credits.
I agree and disagree about Babylon AD. It was at times boring, but I thought Vin Diesel was less Vin Diesel in it, compared to any of his other films that I had seen. He actually tried to be someone else. I thought the story was cool enough. What I liked the most was the world they inhabited in the movie, and the landscape and different places and people they encountered on their journey. I thought, visually, it was a really beautiful movie.
same
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Deffo making a snuff dungeon
I'd love to hear your thoughts on The Skeleton Key.
I honestly have no idea why that movie is so unanimously hated! The tone is creepy, the payoff is unique, Gena Rowlands is terrifying. Would love to see you "talk about it".
My only problem is that the main character gets really dumb by the end and the list of ingredients in that last ritual should have REALLY tipped her off something was amiss.
But I agree on it being unique and overall intelligent.
Skeleton Key - does not deserve the ire it got. Actually, i think ill rewatch it tonight.
You don't think it's a shallow Grudge knockoff?
@@chillcreep4926 The Skeleton Key, a Grudge knock off? We talking about the same movie?
I mostly like that film.
It does a lot of things differently and has internal coherence (which is always a plus) and it manages to work into the plot voodoo as a protective force and not just as "scary magic", which is unfortunatelly something very rare in fiction.
The only thing I can't quite get over is how the main character never flinched with the list of ingredients in the last ritual. I mean, I know she was stressed and my knowledge on voodoo is almost non-existant, but even from a merely symbolical start point even, some of those ingredients... didn't sound like anything meant to be protective her from evil AT ALL. I think I would have being like "waaait a minute".
I guess the point the movie makes of her being too white for her own good makes sense, though. lol
@@edisonlima4647 it benefits from going in blind.
The twist about the husband being an antagonist wasn't actually a surprise to me. I called it early on in the movie. My mom was like "No Way!" Then it was revealed, and said "Son of a Bitch! You were right!" 😂😂 I love me some Charles S Dutton, and if you were familiar with his movie and especially tv roles, he was generally the "good guy", the "strong and supportive husband, father, friend etc". A suspense, supernatural horror film wasn't really what you would expect him to be in. Even in Alien 3, as one of the convicts, he protected Ripley, gave a rousing speech, and sacrificed himself at the end. I had a feeling that they'd subvert expectations and make him a bad guy.
I loved him in the Homicide: Life on the Street episode "Prison Riot". You get a glimps of the defendants from previous episodes doing their time in prison and Dutton plays an inmate that knows what happened during a riot. I love the music in that episode also. You can find it here at youtube but unfortunately the songs are muted to avoid copywrite strikes. Solid acting from the two young ppl that play Dutton's son and daughter.
Charles S Dutton is a phenomenal actor and his life story is so interesting.
he does a turn in surviving the game iirc
I didn't see it coming but that was because I was really young when I saw it. If I'd seen it as an adult I would've suspected him right away. But I definitely didn't see the snuff film/ his partner twist
“You’re all gonna die. Only question is how you check out. Do you want it on your feet, or on your fucking knees begging? I ain’t much for beggin. Nobody ever gave me nothin!”
i've seen this movie so many times i've lost count. it really informed my taste in supernatural horror, to the point where the only other ghost movie i count in my ever fluctuating top ten horror movies is Shutter (2004) because of how similar they are.
like i get that the screenplay wasn't the strongest (they never really were when it came to Dark Castle Entertainment), but at least it attempted to say something. and hell, Roger Ebert is a well known critic of horror because of how it treats women, but he actually rated Gothika pretty high and had a lot of good things to say about it.
you've pretty much nailed exactly how i feel about Gothika in this video. thanks for giving it a chance.
We need to be friends. I have literally never met anyone else who even KNOWS of Shutter let alone is there fave!!!
@@writheagainsoon it's an absolutely incredible movie! i still get chills thinking about that ending, no joke.
@@GlaiveMaiden seriously. I picked it up at blockbuster when I was young and watched it in the daytime cause my friend was such a baby 🤣 At the end we were whoopin and hollering we were so happy 😂 I am a csa survivor and it was just soooooo cathartic to see her sitting on his shoulders looking down at him the way he looked down at her... gah. Perfection!
Shutter is such an interesting one for me because I've seen so many horror movies over the years but none have ever scared me the way Shutter does. The first time I tried watching it I was too scared to finish and it took me years to finally watch the whole thing. No other horror film has ever had that effect on me, I've watched it a few more times since then trying to figure out exactly what about it is so scary but have yet to figure it out. I guess that just means it's a genuinely effective horror movie.
@@writheagainsoon I've seen Shutter as well! I saw the original Thai version, BTW. I can see the point about how it's similar to this film.
If you haven’t done an episode on The Omen (the original with Gregory Peck, not the crappy remake), you should do that sometime. It’s an absolute classic!
How come this movie gets a measly 15% on Rotten Tomatoes, while the disastrous Clown Motel: Spirits Arise scores a 75%??
I took a peak at Rotten Tomatoes, and while the Audience score is only 45%, they explain it much better than the Professionals, who all seem super dismissive.
Hmm.. sounds like I need to check out Clown Motel.
Probably because Rotten Tomatoes uses an inherently flawed and misleading system that doesn't actually accurately gage the quality of a film and actively punishes mediocre films making them look worse than they actually are.
"Clown Motel" has fewer than 50 ratings, "Gothika" has over 250,000. Often when something that's "good" has a lower rating than something "bad", you'll also find it has significantly more ratings. So any time you seen an imbalance like that, look at how many people have rated each.
There's this Malaysian movie called The Doll that mostly gets dismissed as an Annabelle ripoff. And that's fair. But I actually really enjoyed it; far more than the movie it's ripping off. Worth checking out.
I don't know if any of the Full Moon movies would be worth an episode by themselves, but an episode about one of the franchises, like Puppet Masters or whatever, would be neat.
I think horror here in our lovely region of South East Asia is underrated.
“Hide and Seek”-it’s a horror/drama/thriller starring Robert De Niro and Dakota Fanning with a great twist, strong acting, and a surprisingly realistic feel for the story it’s telling. I’d love to hear your take on it.
Ditto. And some of the alternate endings touch on certain real-world issues that would spoil the twist, so there's a jumping off point.
Love hide and seek
Oh I love that movie!
Oh yes! A fantastic movie!
And the ending picture she looks out indicates A tragic circle
As above so below. I'd say it subverts expectations by genuinely being moralistic and about redemption. So many horror movies pretend to adhere to these ideas but end up just being exploiditive and punishing.
I remember being at a friend's house for a sleepover and they put this on, and when I saw Halle Berry, my small child brain went "oh wow, she's pretty, like REALLY REALLY pretty" and anyways that's how I think Halle Berry awakened my bisexuality
Creep
@@TheLakabanzaichrg Some people just need to keep their opinion to themselves
Yes she sure is pretty!
Ok 👌 good for you, if I ever switch teams it be Phoebe from friends
Ewww
I actually like Gothika a underrated Halle Berry movie nobody talk about.
I don’t remember Gothika being bad . I thought some story elements could have been written better. And some plot points could have been better executed.
Fun fact
During a tense scene, Robert Downey jr. Accidentally broke Hallie Berry's arm when he grabbed her.
As a young horror lover, Gothika was one of my favourite movies even with how graphic it was for me at the time haha. I actually didn’t know it was so loathed since I wasn’t very aware of film and horror communities as a youngster, I just liked how dark and gritty it felt. I now want to look into La Haine because I’ve never heard of it. I’m really glad you covered it because I suggested it a little while ago as an early 2000s movie to cover.
Wait. People didn't like this movie? It was so cool though. Halle Berry acted her ass off.
And I like the Behind Blue Eyes cover/music video 😂
Also, yes please, Stir of Echoes. So underrated.
i spent a worrying amount of time confused and thinking that Gothika and Veronika were the same movie and convinced that I must have missed major plot points of the former in the latter. so that's today's oops
This is another one of those movies I remember loving when it came out. When I learned people had negative opinions about it I sadly kept quiet about enjoying it.
I remember watching this as a kid and i couldn't get over how weird the casting of her husband was lol. He looked like her uncle. I'm gonna rewatch this before coming back to your video, i didn't know who any of these actors were at the time so I can probably appreciate it more now
Well that was the purpose, to show their age difference. She was his student. I think that was smth like a red flag for the husband character.
"Movie about the horrors and trauma women suffer at the hands of men who seek to abuse and silence them was panned by large audiences"
Wow, who could've seen that coming
holy shit, i never would’ve guessed that it was directed by the same guy that did la haine! that’s mind blowing!
I loved Gothika!!! Having a psychiatrist analyze her own downfall is always very interesting. The movie starts with psychiatrist Halle disregarding her patients “crazy” stories about the devil assaulting her etc... Then Halle herself has to leave her rational behind, and try to now explain her “crazy” supernatural stories to her colleges, who are now treating her. (until she is transferred) And unsurprisingly they also disregard her stories. Yes, that part may have been predictable, but I found it was well done and still very interesting. I also greatly appreciated the twist ending and reason behind the murder of her husband. We see early on that her husband is a narcissist and has visions of grandeur etc... But we disregard those traits at that point, since it fits with the narrative. It is really not uncommon for Doctors to have an overinflated sense of self, they often do feel like gods, because they hold human life in their hands. Or in this case, in a way, he holds patients sanity in his hands. And controls most of what happens to them. Mix that sense of power with some deviant thoughts and urges, and you end up with quite the psychopath! And like many other psychopaths he was able to charm and manipulate everyone around him, including expert psychiatrists, so that they would never doubt he was capable of such horrifying acts. In my opinion, great movie! 👌
Ever seen American Mary?
@@SoWhosGae 🤔 I don’t think so, is it a type of Bloody Mary movie? Is it worth a watch?
@@Minimojojoy Not really, it's more psychological and gory. I was reminded about this by your comment regarding doctors and how sometimes they might slip into narcisism and psychopathy because the main character is a medical student whose life changes because of a doctor (trying not to spoil) and what she does next with her talents to escape from poverty. It is a weird movie ngl and definitely not for everybody but I like some weird shit myself.😅
@@SoWhosGae Awesome! You had me at psychological AND gore!! 😍😂
That’s sounds right in vein of films! Thank you kind stranger. 😊
I’ll try and remember to come back and to tell you how it was once I find it.
@@Minimojojoy Ah that's great. Hope you like it
The formula is used so much in indie horror games now. Oh look, lets once again make our way through a deserted, nightmare hospital/asylum to encounter gory creatures and scenes that are metaphors for a patient trying to come to terms with trauma.
Also the usual ending where the character you play dies in the end because "oh well, you cant win against ghosts, they just wins anyways"
the silent hill 2 blueprint of psychological horror has done so much damage like okay we get it now... an untouchable classic for sure but seems like that's all anyone ever takes from the series
I was enjoying the first part of the film. A well made psychological thriller that had great actors and interesting style. It lost me when the supernatural elements were shown to be real. I find horror based on reality far scarier than fantasy.
This movie does NOT get enough credit! I’m so glad you covered it and liked it. It’s such a big part of my childhood. You nailed the themes and how important it is to listen and hear. The silence of the oppressed is where you will find truth.
Gothic is actually a pretty good movie. The Limp Bizkit cover of "Behind Blue Eyes" is unforgivable.
@wstine79. I thought it was a decent cover, why does everyone hate it?
Iove that song... But I'm still pissed that the promised sequel that the end of Gothika tiesed never materialized.
It got poor reception but all I can say is that The New Daughter with Kevin Costner terrified me to the point that like... I couldn't sleep soundly for days after watching it.
John Carpenter's "The Ward." Let's separate the art from the artist when it comes to the lead actress Amber Heard and focus on a story that was in every way set up as your typical "Let's go kill the hot women" slasher, but turns out not to be.
Then there was also The Village. It was done wrong by its own marketing as a horror film. It's a love story with a social commentary about the loss of innocence, with much if its horror being psychological. Yes, there were monsters, but they were only a small part. You ever see one of those pictures on the internet with the caption, "The more you look at it, the worse it gets" as you realize certain details are just "off."
I honestly adore the village, the characters are so endearing to me
I watched this one a ton in college! It's schlocky but I always really enjoyed it! This and 13 Ghosts were my guilty pleasure horror films for ages.
A video/dvd rental place in my town (remember those?) had a big Gothika poster on their door and I remember wanting to see it as a kid because I had a massive crush on Halle Berry. My parents kept talking me out of it cause I was like 10
I watched this when I was a teenager and remember being surprised to see the reviews being as negative as they were so I'm hype you chose it for a video! :D
Babylon AD feels like a Rejected Riddick Spin Off Sequel That No One Liked Except Fans Of Vin Diesel
Brotherhood of the Wolf's reception wasn't exactly scathing (57 Metacritic) but it was mostly brushed off and forgotten and is now probably best known as "the movie with the Bloodborne hats."
I loved that movie but mostly because I'm a sucker for werewolves and period films.
Lots of people disliked The Innkeepers, but I thought it was pretty good. Too much build up in the first half made viewers bored, I reckon.
I think that “As Above So Below” is really good and underrated. I’d like to hear your thoughts about it.
Very underrated
That movie rocked, of course deserves a mention
One of the few movies that showed Halle Berry's acting chops and didn't just rely on her looks.
When she has good material to work with, she WORKS it. Wish she got better scripts.
That one where he child gets kidnapped is pretty good and suspenseful from what I remember
@@jadeharley7190 The Call!! No one ever remembers that film tho it had Abigail Breslin in it too. I saw that one in the movie because I always try to support Halle. She doesn’t get enough love.
She’s a bit hit and miss I think, sometimes we get monsters ball, sometimes we get catwoman.
Gothika, The Call, and Kidnap are so good
Just saw this channel has 666k subscribers , and in a way that's kind of fitting.
Used to love this way-back-when! Criminally underrated and I don't see it get brought up as much as I think it should, glad you did a vid on it. While I'm here, I wanted to recommend you check out Silver Bullet, 85'. I'm curious what your take on the plot would be as while it's campy at times I still hold it in the same regard as the Great Old Ones such as Alien, The Thing, Poltergeist, etc. Anywho, hope you like it if you check it out.
The first PARANORMAL ACTIVITY movie. That movie messed me up the first time I saw it! I realized years later it’s actually a horror about toxic relationships not about demons or whatever it’s actually such a good like examination of a bad relationship between any two people
This was one of those "I just won an Oscar, now give me a big genre paycheck film. Other such films: The Core with Hilary Swank.
There's a movie with Ethan Hawke called Regression. It starts off as a supernatural thriller but has a twist halfway through that changes everything.
i remember seeing this back when i was in high school, a couple yr.s after the movie came out & liking it for the most part. oddly enough, i decided at random to watch it a couple weeks back & was shocked by how many faces i recognized. it is by no means a perfect movie, but it certainly does not deserve the hate it got!!
May you all be blessed with someone who looks at you the way Ryan looks at Raycon Earbuds
A forgotten movie I watched recently which was really good is "Let's Scare Jessica to Death". I know it isn't a hidden gem from the 00s but it's probably obscure enough for a great breakdown
When you think about the type of content Ryan covers, doesn't him saying he will see us all very soon sound vaguely threatening? Just thought that was fun to note.
I remember when I saw this in the theater. People laughed when Halle Berry's eyes were fixed on the microphone. It was in the frame for more than a few seconds.
WHAT I had no idea this movie was "bad!" I watched it independent of any reviews and loved it
so excited for this! i remember gothika coming out and having a strange reputation of being a bad movie but never really saw it either so i’m looking forward to seeing your analysis
All hail the algorithm
Hell yeah, of course Ryan listens to LPOTL
Also, are we going to agree to leave him at 666k?
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ngl, I thought you were going to talk about that one movie based on the comics of the guy from the Misfits punk rock band. I think the name is Verotika or something like that. I ended up pleaseantly surprised. Thank you for the great video.
Glenn Danzig is the guy's name and his comics brand is called Veritok. I have a couple issues of his G.O.T.H. title and I found it a little generic, with a monster man escaping some kind of secret lab. Maybe if I found more issues it might get better, but I have yet to find any.
Wait, people think Gothika is bad?? I mean I knew it wasn't a cinematic masterpiece... but I thoroughly enjoyed it at the time and still now when I watch it. It's pretty generic and average but it's entertaining and beautifully made.
Now that you mention it I could’ve sworn I’d seen it years ago but watching this video I find myself thinking “I don’t remember any of this” lol
I barely remember this movie, but I remember it being hated by people so much.
I personally think Stay Alive isn't as bad as everyone says.
Never seen Gothika before, might need to give it a watch after this!
Again, Stephen King's The Night Flier. Not only was it so well done in King's opinion that he wrote 2 sequels that were never made, but despite the yawning and hate it got, it's an impressive look at sensationalist media juxtaposed with a ravenous monster. In modern times, when so much of the media is centered in getting more views, likes, and so on, this rings more true than ever before! You should really check it out!
I always get The Night Flier and The Langoliers confused.
The Langoliers is only a good movie for being unintentionally hilarious and boring enough that you can leave to get snacks without worrying you've missed anything. Plus the terrible CGI. I love it, lol
@@chillcreep4926 Lol; the Night Flier's effects team actually helped create some of the Deadites including Deadite Ash!
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Working for a company that has an inpatient psychiatric unit, I can say I have a lot of sympathy for the characters. This movie does fairly well in showing you what the other side looks like. Penelope's performance was a big standout.
Thank you so much! I feel validated when I say this is one of my top 5 scary movies cause as a woman you feel gaslighted in micro aggressions this way on a regular basis and is truly scary when if it ever came to having to convince ppl of my own truth 😩🤷🏽♀️
"I'm not the smartest person out there" says Ryan, whilst delivering the best video-essays on film there is on this platform and any other.
I've never been this early before! Love these videos so much!
My recommendation, in a similar story to this one, is 2000's "The Cell", starring Jennifer Lopez, a visually striking Silence Of The Lambs-esque ripoff that got a lot more hate than it deserved.
Overall, I very much enjoyed Gothika.
That being said, probably my biggest issue with the film is that it writes itself into a corner and then chooses to just ignore it and hope the audience doesn't ask this question: How does Miranda get absolved of Doug's murder?
After Miranda discovers the truth about Doug, including the girl that was still being held captive, the Sherif points out that Miranda is still a murder suspect. Even after it is revealed that the Sheriff was Doug's partner in these crimes, his point about Miranda being a murder suspect still stands and goes unanswered. We're just left to assume that everything worked itself out in the end.
The sad truth is that regardless of Doug's crimes, Miranda did murder him, and thus should go to prison. Though she was Possessed, her body still did the dirty work and no judge or jury is going to believe a story about Possession.
So, how is Miranda absolved of killing Doug and the Sheriff (she shot him in the head while he was on fire)?
The only explanation I can think of is that she and Pete (and possibly her lawyer) must've had a conversation and decided to fudge some of the details in order to make everything more believable to the judge and jury:
First, they fudge the details to make it seem like Miranda killed the Sheriff in self-defense rather than an execution. Not too difficult since he was actually trying to kill her and Pete witnessed it.
Now for Doug. They decide on this narrative: Miranda went home that night, discovered Doug's secret, had a psychotic break, and killed him in a moment of temporary insanity, hence why she couldn't remember doing it.
Miranda would still likely be sentenced to psychiatric care, but Pete will oversee it and because he knows the truth, he will see to it that she is treated like a V.I.P. and get her out as quickly as possible.
Obviously, showing all of that would be too long, but I believe that we did need to at least have that conversation where they decide their game plan because it would not only answer the question of how Miranda is absolved of the murder but also serve as the first time that Miranda and Pete have a conversation in which he actually believes her and talks to her as an equal and not a crazy person.
Just wanted to comment that this is the only TH-cam channel that I consistently watch every upload of straight away, without hesitation.
Im a fucking wimp when it comes to horror, but a sucker for in-depth analysis and being able to understand films I enjoy the plot of but am too scared to watch, both at a surface level and in-depth makes for one hell of a comfort watch/binge.
Keep up the amazing work!!!!!!!
Great review Gothika was a super underrated movie anyone that hasn't watched it deff give it a try!
You say "don't you dare say you saw the twist coming" but... I'd read "The General's Daughter" prior to seeing this movie and... yeah, pretty much the same.
As a young kid in the early 2000 I actually liked this movie plus when Iron Man first came and I saw who was playing him I said to myself “ohh that’s that actor from Gothika” 😂. Not knowing RDJ was already a good actor in the late 80s and 90s haha
I remember renting this movie once a long time ago, but I saw this movie with my mom while perusing HBO MAX and we both agreed that it held up very well and Halle Berry gave a fantastic performance. I actually didn’t even realize that this movie got so much flack for so long, like, were you watching a completely different movie?!
Aw, man. I literally have two videos coming up on Gothika on my channel, Why Media, in about 6 weeks. They're completely edited and everything and now it's going to seem like I'm just copying you on this. Especially since we had fairly similar takes on the movie. Oh well.
Well, anyway. I really like your video on it and I'm glad you made it.
"It's bad because it's just like every other movie" is not a valid argument. Not only because the plot twist was apparently actually really valid, but because doing something that's been done isn't automatically a demerit. The golden rule of cliché usage: A cliché is not something that must never be done ever, it is simply something that has been done so many times that, if you do choose to do it, you have to do it really well.
How could you miss the husband?! That was the first and only thing I remembered when starting to watch your video. And I only saw Gothika once back in the day.
I think Kassovitz' Crimson Rivers is way better than this.