The original music is "Horner Heist" by Heitor Pereira Album: Puss in Boots: The Last Wish (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack) I liked this music, so I made an extended version :)
And then people try to justify his behavior by saying "in the flashbacks he lived in poverty" even though he said he grew up with a loving family and in a Mansion
i remember some guy saying: "i want a villian who is just evil nothing too it no sad backstory no manipulation he is just evil" and it looks like they got there wish with this guy
agreed we've had a bit too many villains with emotional baggage to them as for why they are villains in the first place (don't get me wrong i still liek it) but sometimes less is better like with jack absolutely funny when he wants to be but devastatingly brutal at the same time without a care for what happens to those around him when he has a goal
I love the fact that he has nothing magical about him, he's just normal person. So he uses every single magical item he can get his hands on to reach his final ambition to be the only magical person. I respect the grindset.
@@dannyboi5887 "normal" by the standards of the world, he still gets pushed around by baby bear pretty easily--he doesn't really measure up to any fairy tale creature worth their salt without his arsenal
You are a monster!! Disney Villian: Am I truly a monster? Look around you kid, this world is filled with them, no one is civilized. Jack Horner: Yes, what's your point?
It was honestly genius how they made a character from a very little known nursery rhyme such an irredeemable but fun villain and made him being a lesser know character overshadowed by others his backstory.
That fact that the Jack Horner Nursery Rhyme wasn’t well-known to everyone kinda adds to the character. Someone who’s been overshadowed by fairy tales.
And that moment when you also realize that the origin of the nursery rhyme is connected to crime (The pies had titles of land deeds or bombs hidden in them in some interpretations) Gotta love dark origins man, sometimes the writers don't even have to think too hard lmao (ever seen the OG snow white? evil queen goes hard)
Not to go full English teacher mode over a puss in boots movie, BUT, I feel like a message in this movie is that your past doesn’t define who you’ll become. Like, yeah, Jack Horner was overshadowed by others, but he also had a happy childhood, loving home, and thriving bakery business to inherit. Yet he still latched onto the part about being overshadowed and turned out so irredeemably evil. Meanwhile, Perrito, who spent his whole life being rejected, thrown aside, even almost murdered by drowning, kept that positive, happy, wholesome outlook through it all. In the end, Perrito got the family he dreamt of, and Jack only got death at the hands of the magic he so greedily desired.
Yup! They utilized character themes quite well. The most memorable ones are of course The Big Bad Wolf's whistle and Who Is Your Favorite Fearless Hero, but this one and Goldi and the Three Bears ones are also great!
It helps a bit that the movie has three antagonists to split the load, allowing them to each fill their own roles and interact with the protagonists in their own way instead of having to shoehorn in something because the story needs a breather or levity or what have you. Each gets to play to their strengths.
Oh trust me buddy it was popular, it's over 500 years old, it originates from the Tudor period of England and was used to make fun of Thomas Horner a man who had no real qualifications in the the English court but was the recipient of so many unearned awards and laurels You could say that this rhyme was one of the first instances of making fun of someone who made a career out of virtue signaling It was so popular that people continued to use it 200 years later in the 1700s
It wasn't the first time Jack Horner was mentioned in the Shrek universe. He was mentioned in the "Baking News" episode of Swamp Tales (he was called Little Jack Horner), who has been pulling out plums from the pies by Georgie Porgie's pie shop.
The antagonist always has the best theme. Like seriously, Jack's theme is my favorite soundtrack of the entire film. It's heavy, menacing and very industrial which goes perfectly for his pie factory but also because machinery is the literal opposite of magic and enchantements
I love how Dreamworks managed to make a PG kids movie with a literal death god, a quartet of British street thugs, and a psychopathic, mass murdering mob boss as the main villains
" you know I never had much as a kid, just loving parents, stability, a mansion, and a thriving baked goods enterprise for me to inherit. Useless crap like that!"- Big jack, a good example of evil being a choice. Such a great villain.
I love how the children's story of Jack Horner is so simple, with almost no background on him and they just went "What if he was the worst person to ever live?"
You can hear from a theme song when a villain is written good or bad. This sound just represents an evil psychopath villain character and it fits what the villain stands for perfectly. Honestly dreamworks never fails to impress me with their villains.
Love the combination of the glockenspiel at the start with the timpani. It's like the perfect mix of childish yet big and threatening. It's like a perfect summation of who Jack is as a character - a big baby with too much power in his hands
More like merciless psycho than a big baby like any other who couldn't understand what they're doing brings harmful consequences to other but jack here is aware of what he's doing and still keep going with a sadistic glee
Love all 3 antagonists on this movie, i swear Goldie and the Bears were a crime family but hella sweet and are good folk Death aint evil but is dark enough and cool, real knight of Cerberus, the guy Big Jack here, an irredeemable monster, and really good at it
I will not lie, this guy was weirdly refreshing. No moral grayness, not that sad backstory, no cutesy good boss humor. Nah this guy was just absolutely fuckin evil and absolutely loves it.
It’s fun, and it works really well because it balances him with the other villains. Jack is a nice contrast to the “good inside” Goldie and the Three Bears and the “just doing my job” Death. If he was the only villain, he would be kind of weak, but the synergy between the different villains makes each one more effective.
It's incredible how they actually managed to make Jack look both silly and intimidating at the same time. His literal baby face and pink hair look ridiculous but he's also a fucking giant with arms the size of tree trunks. If one of the other antagonists of the movie wasn't literally Death itself, he would be by far the most threatening character.
This just made me realize how wild it is that the character with the highest death count in the movie isn't the literal incarnation of Death. It's a rich psychopath.
@@BootyCrusader Well, I think deaths job is to just guide the dead to the afterlife. He just wants to escort Puss to the afterlife in a more direct method.
Jack Horner has to be one my favourite villains to come out in recent times, he’s such a breath of fresh air after so many villains that have a reason for being evil.
@@yeehaw1181 _"SIGH... Y'know, I never had much growing up. Just loving parents, a mansion, stability... and a whole bakery goods enterprise for me to inherit. _*_Useless crap like that."_*
The comedy and his over-the-topness makes some people forget how Jack is so incredibly horrible and ruthless. He's so unapologetically and enthusiastically evil. He's evil just because he can. He's the type of villain that would beat a child to death without an ounce of remorse. He's actually pretty terrifying.
His evil comes more from complete carelessness than active cruelty. He won't go out of his way to brutalize someone, but won't care if he crossfires someone and the merest slight will earn you his wrath.
Indeed. It honestly made me glad Shrek, Donkey, and their respective families weren't in this movie because, with all of them being magical creatures, I can't imagine what Horner would do their children if he got ahold of them. Horner probably knew about Shrek and his exploits, too, so...
The fact this doesn’t sound like a generic insane boss villain is amazing. It both sounds like cannon-fodder and a boss, while sounding like someone like Horner would love his music. (it also genuinely hits harder than 6 gauge birdshot) which is why the music team of this entire movie is so praised. They know how to make stuff. And we know that. What a good movie, both in design and MUSIC design.
I wondered for a while why I liked Jack better than Death in the movie, but while listening to this it hit me. Death was a great villain, but he is DEATH. Not that difficult to make him into a great villain. But turning LITTLE JACK HORNER into an equally as great villain as Death itself? That takes skill.
@@stevele4877 Yeah cause they couldn’t risk ruining our favorite fairy tails characters right away. Now that the movie is well received they would have more freedom.
An interesting fact is that in Brazil Big jack horner is called " Joãozão Trombeta", "Trombeta" in Brazil is a slang for troublemaker and other meanings involving the same meaning (and obviously it is trumpet in Portuguese), and this theme song with the " BOOM" sounds of the trumpets just makes me think it was a great name adaptation Another fact that also makes me very happy and proud in this film is that the death or the wolf was dubbed by Wagner Moura, a very important Brazilian actor in our cinematographic culture and most of the songs were composed with the participation of Heitor Pereira, another great Brazilian in the musical business
Hold on, the skilled fighter of death is from Brazil? Well, now, I guess The only thing I know for real is THERE WILL BE BLOODSHED THE MEMORIES JUMP OUT MY HEAD.
I love how the theme can metaphorically be represented as big Jack horner too, it's very imposing and threatening with it's stomps and low pitch grandeur but then in a truely wicked way it's not the imposing bass that gets you to be scared but the insanity of adding a ring instrument to trickle down your spine for fear representing some delightful madness.
Jack could easily make a decent living as a wrestler if he really wanted to. He seems to be at least 8 feet tall, his arms are massive in a way that suggests that he does a lot of heavy lifting, and his chest and shoulders are if anything even more massive. If it comes down to Jack and Shrek in a brawl, I honestly think Jack could at least hold his own. He's also the kind of guy who would absolutely keep a little magical bauble or geegaw on hand to even the odds.
Reasons like this character are why I think fat villains are cool, its pretty common to make a villain slender and sexy, but intentionally ugly ones that aren't just playground bullies really stick out. I like that he looks simultaneously crude, and weirdly classy, he has jacked up teeth, but really nice clothes, he's obese, but also really muscular, and tall as a building, a weak chin, but luscious hair, everything about his design alone already makes him one of the coolest DreamWorks villains
Big Jack having a Wanted poster means he hasn't been caught, even though he doesn't hide somewhere, the Bounty hunters are just way too afraid to storm him.
@@joeysoftpaws Jack Horner has minions, a flamethrower, a unicorn crossbow that oneshots everything and a lot of other wacky gadgets Gru has Minions, a fart cannon, a ray gun that oneshots everything and a lot of other wacky gadgets Mhm.....
@@benshapirohamburgerhelper1239 I mean, he wasn't blown up by a magic wishing star. But at the same time, he is ultra instinct. (Yes I am referencing the meme. If you hate it, just ignore it)
you can hear that it was supposed to sound like the rhyme if you find the rhythm! here's the rhyme if you can't remember: little jack horner sat in the corner eating a horner pie, he stuck in his thumb, pulled out a plum, said "What a good boy am I!"
love me a good villain classic, especially when characters in the story simply refuse to believe that someone can be evil just because but as it goes on it shows that yes, they really are simply evil
This guy after watching Puss In Boots 2, is my favorite villain because after years of being given twist villains or villains that have signs of being a good person (sympathetic villains I can be fine with at times as long as they are well written). Jack Horner is a villain that knows he's evil, and he loves being evil. I mostly love villains that are bad because they love being bad. And this theme hits perfectly. It almost sounds like he's a crime boss you don't want to mess with. Also he is a very funny. I love my villains with a scene of humor.
hes like every politician ever. thats what makes him realistic even tho hes meant to be cartoonishly evil. but he represents stuckup tyrants for politicians so well. theyre like, "yeah im controlling so what? why u surprised?" this is what they probably wanna say so badly to ppl that protest against em
i really love these villains, they are pure evil but they are so funny, epic or a unique characteristic that you cant hate them because of how good they are written
One thing that I love about Big Jack Horner is that he never really shows any malice towards the people that stole the map from him (including Goldilocks and co). He doesn't particulare care about them, hes not after revenge, he wants magic, thats it. He just doesn't care about anyone, for him theres no difference between his employees and the people who antagonize him.
@@samuraicheems4057 or, probably more accurately, management doesn't let them work. So many films (especially Disney) get gutted for what some executive thinks will make more money while incredible creatives languish
@@pippastrelle thats what i meant, my bad. I was kinda vague but yea, the executives know they can make money without putting in any effort so, why try if you can make more doing less
It’s really refreshing to see a villain who’s just cartoonishly evil. No fleshed-out motivations, no sad backstory, no redemption, just cartoonishly evil.
Everyone talking about the "pie-splats" as a foreshadowing on how Jack is violent and will shed blood if convenient. However, i'm yet to see anybody pointing out how his hair looks like devil horns.
Puss in Boots managed to make a better KingPin character rather than the KingPin we saw in the Mcu, I love Vincent D’Onofrio’s acting, it’s the writing on Mcu KingPin that hurts me, compared to his Netflix Daredevil counterpart.
When I saw this guy in the promotional teasers I thought oh he is just a bounty hunter or just a minor character but when I heard this music and saw this wanted poster of him being a psychopath my mind quickly changed
At 00:43. That small twang made by a xylophone instrument. Gives these deep bass beets an Insane Clown Posse twist to the song. Even Jack's wanted poster is a little wicked clown related. A very large upper body strength and well dressed man who's mad enough to knock you out on a whim.
@@iminsideyourwaIls I was thinking either the Riddle Box era or the Might Death Pop era. Back when the Clowns were more goofy than threatening or trying to send a message.
I was wishing there was an extending version of this earlier today so glad this was in my recommended!!! I just noticed that in Jacks wanted poster two tufts of hair curl up like Devil horns! Don’t know if that was intentional or not but I think it’s cool nonetheless!
I like how his theme represents his character perfectly, joyous and childlike, yet also sophisticated and cunning, yet ALSO somehow brutal and downright criminal sounding, the perfect mixture of his manchild, cold-hearted and ruthless self.
The original music is "Horner Heist" by Heitor Pereira
Album: Puss in Boots: The Last Wish (Original Motion Picture Soundtrack)
I liked this music, so I made an extended version :)
it's amazing!
Thanks for the hard work!! ^^ this song is so good!
Minute 1:20 for those a little impatient to get there
Would be cool to see an extend version of kitty softpaws’ leit motif but idk if could be extended.
Poor him😢
he had one of the saddest backstories ever :(
just loving parents, a stable life, a mansion and a thriving baked goods business to inherit
Exactly 😞
Useless crap like that...
Useless crap like that
Useless crap like that.
'Useless crap like that.'
I’m just surprised how they turned a 4 line poem into a whole villain
Ant still nailed it
A whole villain inspired the 4 line poem. A lot of inspiration was drawn from the history.
Which one?
@@blastoise3568 Little Jack Horner
They did it with Humpty Dumpty in the previous one.
I like that he is unapologetically evil. He's aware of it and owns it.
“You’re not going to shot a puppy!?”
Calmly replies “Yeah, in the face”
@@luisf2793 then goes “why” after saying he gonna shoot it in the face 😂.
“You’re an irredeemable monster!” “Ooh, oh what took you so long? I d i o t”
And then people try to justify his behavior by saying "in the flashbacks he lived in poverty" even though he said he grew up with a loving family and in a Mansion
That was horrible! Your wish is horrible... *YOU'RE HORRIBLE*
"Big Jack Horner
Loomed in the corner
Glared with his nefarious eye
He twitched his thumb
And pulled out a gun
And said what a bad boy am I"
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lmao nice
crossbow loaded with unicorn horn
Just put the word "nefarious" before the word eye. It flows better. 👍🏼
American schools, am I right fellas?
horner's intro makes him sound like he's running a massive drug cartel instead of a pie business and that's absolutely fitting
Agreed
Jack.. we have to cook... Pies
I hear he is purposely designed after a typical mobster boss, which you can imagine his pie factory is a PG version of a "drug cartel."
@@engineer_focus1889 Piesenberg
Kingpin meets Heisenberg
Bro's a literal Kingpin
Yes!
That’s what I love about the Shrek Universe. They manage to take a fairy tale with like three sentences and greatly expand upon the character.
nope
Kingpin less a PSYCHO
jack just a big crazy version of Wilson Fisk
and that make him, fir me, better than Kingpin
He's even built like one
@@-et37- the thing is…He isn’t a fairy tale he’s a nursery rhyme
Little Jack Horner: "What a good boy am I!"
Writers: "But what if he wasn't?
That's good
Cold Case be like:
Well, if someone says that they're a "good person" more often than not they're not.
"Hold up, his writing is THIS fire?"
i remember some guy saying: "i want a villian who is just evil nothing too it no sad backstory no manipulation he is just evil" and it looks like they got there wish with this guy
@@soloamaro5605 no magic required
It was me
AND I FUCKING LOVED JACK HORNER
The unapologetic evilness of him is so funny I can see why people would want a villain like that
agreed we've had a bit too many villains with emotional baggage to them as for why they are villains in the first place (don't get me wrong i still liek it) but sometimes less is better like with jack absolutely funny when he wants to be but devastatingly brutal at the same time without a care for what happens to those around him when he has a goal
well he had a "sad" backstory, didnt u watch the movie?
I love the fact that he has nothing magical about him, he's just normal person. So he uses every single magical item he can get his hands on to reach his final ambition to be the only magical person.
I respect the grindset.
A simple person with the vast majority of magic arsenal. What a great archetype
@Oleg Kupran same reason batman is so good. Just a normal dude
"Normal" bruh he's strong enough to hold up Exalibur one handed with the stone still attached to it.
@@dannyboi5887 "normal" by the standards of the world, he still gets pushed around by baby bear pretty easily--he doesn't really measure up to any fairy tale creature worth their salt without his arsenal
He's a Giant though, so he's probably as large, if not larger, and as strong, if not stronger, than Shrek is
Modern Disney villains: No I'm not evil, you don't understand me
Jack Horner: Yes I'm evil, any problems?
what took you so long, idiot?
@@elbasurerodeblazeeldiosdel9060 this is better than modern Disney "villains"
You are a monster!!
Disney Villian: Am I truly a monster? Look around you kid, this world is filled with them, no one is civilized.
Jack Horner: Yes, what's your point?
Jack Horner is a caricature of modern disney
@@semoooo2655 Jack Horner don't deny that he was evil unlike Modern Disney
"The 'pure evil' trope doesn't work!! It makes characters bland and monotonous!!"
Jack Horner: *Hold my pie*
It can. You just need to make a character interesting or memorable if they're pure evil or sympathetic.
this guy is pure evil but charismatic and not annoying
It's cuz he's realistic. He's a greedy rich kid who is evil because all rich people are evil
Sundowner: *Hold my children brain*
@@Otval_bashky You think the baking industry is some kind of conspiracy? BULLSHIT! PIES ARE JUST PART OF WHO WE ARE!
It was honestly genius how they made a character from a very little known nursery rhyme such an irredeemable but fun villain and made him being a lesser know character overshadowed by others his backstory.
That fact that the Jack Horner Nursery Rhyme wasn’t well-known to everyone kinda adds to the character. Someone who’s been overshadowed by fairy tales.
Humpty dumpty is also a nursery rhyme
@@dertee957 true, but it is a very famous one along with London bridge is falling down, Mary had a little lamb, and have you any wool
And that moment when you also realize that the origin of the nursery rhyme is connected to crime
(The pies had titles of land deeds or bombs hidden in them in some interpretations)
Gotta love dark origins man, sometimes the writers don't even have to think too hard lmao (ever seen the OG snow white? evil queen goes hard)
Not to go full English teacher mode over a puss in boots movie, BUT, I feel like a message in this movie is that your past doesn’t define who you’ll become. Like, yeah, Jack Horner was overshadowed by others, but he also had a happy childhood, loving home, and thriving bakery business to inherit. Yet he still latched onto the part about being overshadowed and turned out so irredeemably evil. Meanwhile, Perrito, who spent his whole life being rejected, thrown aside, even almost murdered by drowning, kept that positive, happy, wholesome outlook through it all. In the end, Perrito got the family he dreamt of, and Jack only got death at the hands of the magic he so greedily desired.
everybody talks about how amazing the story, characters and the animation in this movie (and they're right), but the soundtrack is so underrated
it's underrated because everything else is so fucking good it gets lost in the shuffle
FR! Literally every track in this soundtrack is golden
I had the playlist for the movie running for fun and I couldn’t stop jamming in my seat, it’s a banger
fearles hero is a fucking bop
Yup! They utilized character themes quite well. The most memorable ones are of course The Big Bad Wolf's whistle and Who Is Your Favorite Fearless Hero, but this one and Goldi and the Three Bears ones are also great!
Solid as diamond evidence that a villain who's evil for the sake of it can still be incredibly entertaining, you just have to know how to write them.
Pity that most (keyword here being most) directors and scriptwriters don’t seem to have the chops to make it work these days.
It helps a bit that the movie has three antagonists to split the load, allowing them to each fill their own roles and interact with the protagonists in their own way instead of having to shoehorn in something because the story needs a breather or levity or what have you. Each gets to play to their strengths.
@@josephperez2004 I never thought of it that way. This makes a lot of sense.
It's amazing how one not so popular nursery rhyme became one of the iconic villains in Puss in boots
@@danjoredd i felt like i heard it before but had no clue where
Oh trust me buddy it was popular, it's over 500 years old, it originates from the Tudor period of England and was used to make fun of Thomas Horner a man who had no real qualifications in the the English court but was the recipient of so many unearned awards and laurels
You could say that this rhyme was one of the first instances of making fun of someone who made a career out of virtue signaling
It was so popular that people continued to use it 200 years later in the 1700s
It wasn't the first time Jack Horner was mentioned in the Shrek universe. He was mentioned in the "Baking News" episode of Swamp Tales (he was called Little Jack Horner), who has been pulling out plums from the pies by Georgie Porgie's pie shop.
@@magnusvonbraun9870 someone out there's _definitely_ gonna say that was foreshadowing.
And the entire Shrek universe.
Sounds like the music you hear in a video game before the boss battle
Hes IS the Boss battle 😎
Gives me skylanders vibes
@@carlossanblas5807 frrrr
I could see the leader of an evil organization in pokemon having this music as an encounter theme
Alice Madness Returns vibes
You can literally hear the absolute G I R T H of this madlad within this theme
Thats why they call him the TopG
Um. Okay. That’s an interesting way of wording it but you aren’t wrong. 😏❤
They call him BIG jack horner for a reason
@@iasked4692 Only the ladies call him that. Seriously, watch the film again.
@@sanguinemde5031 and so do i😩
From a kid going through puberty to a cartoon pig to a chipmunk and now a pie-loving crime boss, gotta love John Mulaney and the roles he’s got.
Balthazar Bratt??
Spider-ham??
The puberty kid was Trey Parker, not John Mulaney lol
@@afriendofepicproportions hes talking about big mouth
@@victoralvarez3479 Ohhhhh right, thank you
@@martinignaciodoesstuff3995 Balthazar Bratt is a good mention but the "cartoon pig" he's referring to is Spider-Ham
The antagonist always has the best theme.
Like seriously, Jack's theme is my favorite soundtrack of the entire film. It's heavy, menacing and very industrial which goes perfectly for his pie factory but also because machinery is the literal opposite of magic and enchantements
0:43 the Magic is represented by this sound
That's a great interpretation, I had never stopped to think about how industrial his theme sounded.
I also love how his theme kinda follows him everywhere he goes, even up to the final seconds before his death
Jack is the actual villain of the movie
Fearless Hero:
I love how Dreamworks managed to make a PG kids movie with a literal death god, a quartet of British street thugs, and a psychopathic, mass murdering mob boss as the main villains
And 14 deaths
As well as all the swearing they had to censor
*Australian* street thugs
@@carlsmith2641 don’t forget the amount of people that died on the tiny ship
@@samcochran8203 And the deaths of the Baker’s Dozen that they got away with.
This was the moment Jack Horner truly became Hornenberg
"We need to bake pies!"
Jesse, we need to bake
"I am the one who bakes"
@@RickRoadRoller "you see a man lose his wish due to morals and you think that of me? No. I am the one who WISHES"
Jack: *angrily hurls a pie atop his own roof*
When I heard this part of the song I was legitimately blown away, this goes incredibly hard
The beat hits harder than those baby unicorn horns.
i dont get why everyone is so hyped about this, sounds like any other generic boss fight theme song to me.
@@Defenestration_ it just sounded that good during those few seconds
@Bingus You have a hard time enjoying things don't you?
@@Defenestration_ personally I just enjoy how the sound of the bass, beat and chorus sound together, I like it
why does it slap so hard tho?
Does the bigman tuba ever not slap?
Did you see the hand of this mf? He can slap your all body like a handball ball if he want
It slaps as hard as Jack slaps puppies in the face 💀
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174*shoots
It slaps so hard that I charged it with domestic abuse.
" you know I never had much as a kid, just loving parents, stability, a mansion, and a thriving baked goods enterprise for me to inherit. Useless crap like that!"- Big jack, a good example of evil being a choice. Such a great villain.
I love how the children's story of Jack Horner is so simple, with almost no background on him and they just went "What if he was the worst person to ever live?"
According to legend the origin of the nursery rhyme was about theft of land deeds hidden in a pie so
You can hear from a theme song when a villain is written good or bad. This sound just represents an evil psychopath villain character and it fits what the villain stands for perfectly. Honestly dreamworks never fails to impress me with their villains.
counterpoint: infinite from sonic forces
@@MSCDonkeyKong Counterpoint: Who?
@@Victor_Graves the incarnation of "mid"
Had great theme song BS background
ye bro FR Jack horner has a unique character design its awesome hes tall and big but with a tiny sas heada hes looking menacng and DOPE!!!
Counterpoint: chairman rose from pokemon sword/shield
Bangin’ theme, middling villain
Love the combination of the glockenspiel at the start with the timpani. It's like the perfect mix of childish yet big and threatening. It's like a perfect summation of who Jack is as a character - a big baby with too much power in his hands
More like merciless psycho than a big baby like any other who couldn't understand what they're doing brings harmful consequences to other but jack here is aware of what he's doing and still keep going with a sadistic glee
@@countercomeback5504 I mean kids can be selfish as all hell and those same traits in an adult ARE psychopathic
@@countercomeback5504 Kids can be cruel Jack.
I thought the other part was a thunder sheet
@@NexusARC and I'm very in touch with my inner child
Love all 3 antagonists on this movie, i swear
Goldie and the Bears were a crime family but hella sweet and are good folk
Death aint evil but is dark enough and cool, real knight of Cerberus, the guy
Big Jack here, an irredeemable monster, and really good at it
death isn't dark he is disgusted by the uncaring attitude puss had toward his previous lives.
it's a matter of principle not a job.
@@LostGeburah Well, Death is dark and scary - and that's add a lot to his image. You can be dark, and still be noble in one or another form
@@thedreamscripter4002 dark and scary but while also noble and good hearted, is very very common nowadays
@@thedreamscripter4002 E.g. Aragorn from LotR
Just the death was an antagonist, the others were villains.
I will not lie, this guy was weirdly refreshing. No moral grayness, not that sad backstory, no cutesy good boss humor. Nah this guy was just absolutely fuckin evil and absolutely loves it.
I read that as moral gayness 💀
@@bkuey24 I am morally gay
I am immorally gay
It’s fun, and it works really well because it balances him with the other villains. Jack is a nice contrast to the “good inside” Goldie and the Three Bears and the “just doing my job” Death. If he was the only villain, he would be kind of weak, but the synergy between the different villains makes each one more effective.
Well he actually has a sad backstory...
It's incredible how they actually managed to make Jack look both silly and intimidating at the same time. His literal baby face and pink hair look ridiculous but he's also a fucking giant with arms the size of tree trunks. If one of the other antagonists of the movie wasn't literally Death itself, he would be by far the most threatening character.
This just made me realize how wild it is that the character with the highest death count in the movie isn't the literal incarnation of Death. It's a rich psychopath.
@@BootyCrusader Well, I think deaths job is to just guide the dead to the afterlife. He just wants to escort Puss to the afterlife in a more direct method.
I like how in both puss in boots movies there is an antagonist named jack
There's a lot of fable characters named Jack so it's pretty much a given.
Jack has become a generic name
Jack also just means “a dude” sometimes
@@thebaseandtriflingcreature174
Dude, I'm dudeing of RN
@@markussmedhus9717 💀
Honestly preferred Jack over Death, both were good but this guy was a total riot.
Same, Death was cool in his own right. But Jack was just amazing like you said.
Jack best villain
john mulany (guy who voice acted jack horner) was amazing voicing him.
Ma'dude
Jack is the GOAT
Jack Horner has to be one my favourite villains to come out in recent times, he’s such a breath of fresh air after so many villains that have a reason for being evil.
I mean... he kinda does have one? It's just that it is plain jealousy and the movie doesn't try to justify it
Damn bro dats cringe
@@Scram228 you're cringe
@@Alet06 my honest reaction
@@yeehaw1181 _"SIGH... Y'know, I never had much growing up. Just loving parents, a mansion, stability... and a whole bakery goods enterprise for me to inherit. _*_Useless crap like that."_*
I just now realized that even despite being wanted, he was still running a baking goods empire and the authorities couldn't touch him lol
His pies are too good to lock him in the slammer 💀
*Now THAT's pure Kingpin energy.* Bro is untouchable from the authorities.
Megamind would be proud of this level of presentation
Megamind: the difference between a villain and a super villain is presentation.
Big Jack horner: I'm way ahead of you five head
Presentation levels: 📈📈📈
They didn't need to go this hard with his theme, but they did anyway and I'm glad for it
Little Jack Horner
Sat in the corner,
Eating a Christmas pie;
He put in his thumb,
And pulled out a plum,
And said, "What a good boy am I!"
“Hey look a magic puppet”
@@lorenadelosrios4134 “cause I’m a real boy, no strings attached!”
What's impressive, ive been a real boy the whole time!
Little Jack Horner didn't have any magic.
He was a pathetic buttered baker's boy.
Little Jack's Dead!
I'm Big Jack HORNER!
“Arghhhhh!”
The comedy and his over-the-topness makes some people forget how Jack is so incredibly horrible and ruthless. He's so unapologetically and enthusiastically evil. He's evil just because he can. He's the type of villain that would beat a child to death without an ounce of remorse. He's actually pretty terrifying.
His evil comes more from complete carelessness than active cruelty. He won't go out of his way to brutalize someone, but won't care if he crossfires someone and the merest slight will earn you his wrath.
@@dubbeking yeah!
@@dubbeking
"You- your not going to shoot that puppy are you jack?"
"Yeah in the face watch"
Indeed. It honestly made me glad Shrek, Donkey, and their respective families weren't in this movie because, with all of them being magical creatures, I can't imagine what Horner would do their children if he got ahold of them. Horner probably knew about Shrek and his exploits, too, so...
I love this theme; the xylophone motif followed by heavy bass, radiates absolute pure raw psychotic villainy.
Listening to the xylophone bit again, can you pick out the nursery rhyme in the motif?
The fact this doesn’t sound like a generic insane boss villain is amazing. It both sounds like cannon-fodder and a boss, while sounding like someone like Horner would love his music. (it also genuinely hits harder than 6 gauge birdshot) which is why the music team of this entire movie is so praised. They know how to make stuff. And we know that. What a good movie, both in design and MUSIC design.
I wondered for a while why I liked Jack better than Death in the movie, but while listening to this it hit me.
Death was a great villain, but he is DEATH. Not that difficult to make him into a great villain.
But turning LITTLE JACK HORNER into an equally as great villain as Death itself? That takes skill.
equally?
Also, the Nursery Rhyme of Little Jack Horner wasn’t well-known at the time. Which makes it surprising when they turned him into a villain.
@@stevele4877 Yeah cause they couldn’t risk ruining our favorite fairy tails characters right away. Now that the movie is well received they would have more freedom.
@@duongthanhtung492 really? Where have you been doing the Shrek movies?
@@ackthualyimsmarterthanyou7844 We saw them briefly but they weren’t villains nor clowns. They were simply victims.
I love jack horner's theme, the beat is so amazing.
An interesting fact is that in Brazil Big jack horner is called " Joãozão Trombeta", "Trombeta" in Brazil is a slang for troublemaker and other meanings involving the same meaning (and obviously it is trumpet in Portuguese), and this theme song with the " BOOM" sounds of the trumpets just makes me think it was a great name adaptation
Another fact that also makes me very happy and proud in this film is that the death or the wolf was dubbed by Wagner Moura, a very important Brazilian actor in our cinematographic culture and most of the songs were composed with the participation of Heitor Pereira, another great Brazilian in the musical business
neat
I doubt that was intentional, but judging by how everyone loves this film it may be so.
This song doesn’t have trumpets until the end
BIG TOP G BIG TOP G BIG TOP G
Hold on, the skilled fighter of death is from Brazil? Well, now, I guess
The only thing I know for real is
THERE WILL BE BLOODSHED
THE MEMORIES JUMP OUT MY HEAD.
if the wolf is the physical embodiment of death, then this guy is the physical embodiment of comedy.
Well, _black_ comedy.
@@yookeemookee ?
The guy who plays him is a pretty famous comedien, John Mulaney. Coincedence?
I love how the theme can metaphorically be represented as big Jack horner too, it's very imposing and threatening with it's stomps and low pitch grandeur but then in a truely wicked way it's not the imposing bass that gets you to be scared but the insanity of adding a ring instrument to trickle down your spine for fear representing some delightful madness.
I love how in the beginning as well it sounds like a music box winding up but the key is rusted and the mechanism is kinda broken
@@theenderdestruction2362 that's amazing I love that as an analogy
Fun fact: Jack is voiced by Spider-Ham from into the spiderverse
John Mulaney lol
Knew it
Mr Salt and Pepper Diner himself.
I immediately thought of Andrew from big mouth when I heard his voice
I KNEW I recognized that voice from somewhere!
This is a dope theme. I could see this as a WWE theme 😂
“HERE COMES BIG JACK WITH A STEEL CHAIR!”
Jack could easily make a decent living as a wrestler if he really wanted to. He seems to be at least 8 feet tall, his arms are massive in a way that suggests that he does a lot of heavy lifting, and his chest and shoulders are if anything even more massive. If it comes down to Jack and Shrek in a brawl, I honestly think Jack could at least hold his own.
He's also the kind of guy who would absolutely keep a little magical bauble or geegaw on hand to even the odds.
0:01 kinda wish these bell sounds continued through the music
Well, they show back up in two or three other places, so technically they do
This guy is special compared to other villains. He is evil and cold, but he doesn't kill people to have fun, he uses people only for get there
Or kills them out of his own carelessness
He doesn’t kill people, he just lets them die
I am totally going to add Jack as a villain in my upcoming D&D campaign.
There is no doubt I am going to use this as his background theme.
Did anyone ask ?
@@Paradoxe_0 me
@@prestige100bill You’re supposed to be dead !
@@Paradoxe_0 I asked
@@Paradoxe_0 I did
I find it funny that he is the villain who had a good life (loving parents, good business) and he just decides to be evil.
He lied, he had a terrible life
@a person useless crap like that
@@Alet06not really, he’s just evil and admits to it
Bro a nursery rhyme with the most boss battle theme ever
Reasons like this character are why I think fat villains are cool, its pretty common to make a villain slender and sexy, but intentionally ugly ones that aren't just playground bullies really stick out. I like that he looks simultaneously crude, and weirdly classy, he has jacked up teeth, but really nice clothes, he's obese, but also really muscular, and tall as a building, a weak chin, but luscious hair, everything about his design alone already makes him one of the coolest DreamWorks villains
nah this is right asf
Big Jack having a Wanted poster means he hasn't been caught, even though he doesn't hide somewhere, the Bounty hunters are just way too afraid to storm him.
Bounty Hunters works at Jack Horner
I'm really into villains who are evil just because they are. And I loved every minute of Jack.
his own theme describes himself, a unredeemable kingpin.
Gru vs Jack Jorner, two absolute units
jack wins, bro is diabolical
@@joeysoftpaws Jack Horner has minions, a flamethrower, a unicorn crossbow that oneshots everything and a lot of other wacky gadgets
Gru has Minions, a fart cannon, a ray gun that oneshots everything and a lot of other wacky gadgets
Mhm.....
@@randomguy-tl5ql Gru's still alive tho
@@benshapirohamburgerhelper1239 Gru should've been shot for numerous crimes against humanity
@@benshapirohamburgerhelper1239 I mean, he wasn't blown up by a magic wishing star. But at the same time, he is ultra instinct.
(Yes I am referencing the meme. If you hate it, just ignore it)
Finally seeing a pure evil villian after all these years really hit different
I honestly gotta give Jack credit for standing out so in a film where he shares villain space with FRIGGIN' DEATH ITSELF.
you can hear that it was supposed to sound like the rhyme if you find the rhythm!
here's the rhyme if you can't remember:
little jack horner
sat in the corner
eating a horner pie,
he stuck in his thumb,
pulled out a plum, said
"What a good boy am I!"
Props to the music department for creating this song while their computers were on fire because this song is heat
love me a good villain classic, especially when characters in the story simply refuse to believe that someone can be evil just because but as it goes on it shows that yes, they really are simply evil
This guy after watching Puss In Boots 2, is my favorite villain because after years of being given twist villains or villains that have signs of being a good person (sympathetic villains I can be fine with at times as long as they are well written). Jack Horner is a villain that knows he's evil, and he loves being evil. I mostly love villains that are bad because they love being bad. And this theme hits perfectly. It almost sounds like he's a crime boss you don't want to mess with. Also he is a very funny. I love my villains with a scene of humor.
hes like every politician ever. thats what makes him realistic even tho hes meant to be cartoonishly evil. but he represents stuckup tyrants for politicians so well. theyre like, "yeah im controlling so what? why u surprised?" this is what they probably wanna say so badly to ppl that protest against em
Big Jack Horner is a perfect characterization of Disney.
i just love this moment where his wanted page shows and this music starts,its sooo fucking good
Instantly one of my favourite characters in cinema
Amazing movie and intro theme, I wept when Jack said "It's Hornin' Time" and then Horned on everyone
With Genuine Baby Unicorn horns
This joke template got old like months ago bruh
It was truly one of the horns of all time
@@stanpines9011 except here he did horn on everyone. With baby unicorn horns
i really love these villains, they are pure evil but they are so funny, epic or a unique characteristic that you cant hate them because of how good they are written
One thing that I love about Big Jack Horner is that he never really shows any malice towards the people that stole the map from him (including Goldilocks and co). He doesn't particulare care about them, hes not after revenge, he wants magic, thats it. He just doesn't care about anyone, for him theres no difference between his employees and the people who antagonize him.
He accepts his evil deeds and the consequences that they may put upon him.
"They didn't had to go so hard with this movie."
*YES THEY DID, IT'S THEIR FUCKING JOB!*
Frankly, they should. Most modern films now are shit cause no one tries
@@samuraicheems4057 or, probably more accurately, management doesn't let them work. So many films (especially Disney) get gutted for what some executive thinks will make more money while incredible creatives languish
@@pippastrelle thats what i meant, my bad. I was kinda vague but yea, the executives know they can make money without putting in any effort so, why try if you can make more doing less
"How the hell could a kids movie villain have such a banger-"
The serpent sisters, the bakers dozen, and jack need their own movie. No joke.
A spin-off of sequel of spin-off of parody of typical Disney movie. Sounds fun!
Well, one of the serpent sisters. The other is dead from the Midas touch.
@@CyrusLagom Money.
@@CyrusLagom That if they write it off as being killed and not similar to turning to stone and they are still alive.
Give me an hour and a half of Jack's sigmagrindset
"You're not gonna shoot a puppy, are ya Jack?"
"Yeah, in the face, why?"
It’s really refreshing to see a villain who’s just cartoonishly evil. No fleshed-out motivations, no sad backstory, no redemption, just cartoonishly evil.
Everyone talking about the "pie-splats" as a foreshadowing on how Jack is violent and will shed blood if convenient.
However, i'm yet to see anybody pointing out how his hair looks like devil horns.
Puss in Boots managed to make a better KingPin character rather than the KingPin we saw in the Mcu, I love Vincent D’Onofrio’s acting, it’s the writing on Mcu KingPin that hurts me, compared to his Netflix Daredevil counterpart.
atleast spiderverse kingpin was good
@@memescoffee3173 spiderverse kingpin was definitely someone you don't wanna mess with
@@memescoffee3173 yep, he was great.
Jack Horner and his theme. Man holy shit, They turned a short poem character into an entire Villain with a kickass theme.
A villain who has no reason to be evil, he is just like that. Just what I like
When I saw this guy in the promotional teasers I thought oh he is just a bounty hunter or just a minor character but when I heard this music and saw this wanted poster of him being a psychopath my mind quickly changed
Me two
At 00:43. That small twang made by a xylophone instrument. Gives these deep bass beets an Insane Clown Posse twist to the song.
Even Jack's wanted poster is a little wicked clown related. A very large upper body strength and well dressed man who's mad enough to knock you out on a whim.
I was thinking it sounds like ICP too lol
@@iminsideyourwaIls I was thinking either the Riddle Box era or the Might Death Pop era. Back when the Clowns were more goofy than threatening or trying to send a message.
This sounds like a theme for a villain in a RPG dialogue conversation
This soundtrack goes so so so so hard, a little element of every characters theme is involved in the music when they’re on screen
"You're a ireedeemable monster!"
"Oh, oh, what took you so long? Idiot!"
I was wishing there was an extending version of this earlier today so glad this was in my recommended!!!
I just noticed that in Jacks wanted poster two tufts of hair curl up like Devil horns! Don’t know if that was intentional or not but I think it’s cool nonetheless!
I appreciate how derranged they made him lock on the poster.
Why does this slap so damn hard? Especially that little jingle at the start, it’s just… mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
I like how his theme represents his character perfectly, joyous and childlike, yet also sophisticated and cunning, yet ALSO somehow brutal and downright criminal sounding, the perfect mixture of his manchild, cold-hearted and ruthless self.
Jack is definitely one of the best pure evil characters ever.
It’s got that “I’m the boss in more than one way” type feel
Normal villains: My parents were killed by turtles, and i will take revenge of them all
Jack: hi, im evil. How about you
Other villains: You don't understand! The world is cruel, it's their fault I'm like this!
Jack Horner: Yeah, in the face, why?
There is absolutely no reason why this theme has to go THIS hard omg
His theme sounds like its could be straight out of a videogame and I love it
As evil as the villain is…
The music slaps
This ain't no banger
This a whole damn *hammer*
This shit had no business slapping this unapologetically hard.
His theme is BOMBASTIC
Big Jack Horner can take any Disney villain at once without breaking a sweat.
If Dreamworks makes Shrek Super Slam 2, Big Jack must be playable.