You should be proud to be mid. If you made Garyu, you are better than a majority of players. Don't worry too much about rank and focus on improving and have fun.
If you do electric on your 5th try, trust me, you can't do electric (in terms of like it's unusable in the actual game - chances are that those failed attempts will get you killed rather than help you)
One tip is also to present a situation and see how the opponent reacts to it. Do a low. Opponent hopkicks immediately after. Thats valuable information.
I made it to purple ranks. Honestly I’m super happy where I’m at, this is the first Tekken I’ve taken time to learn and be “competitive”at since the first Tekken Tag which was 20+ years ago. My original goal was red and once I got there it was definitely tough. I demoted to orange a few times but once I got to Shinryu I made it to Tenryu right away which surprised me. Then I said F it and went for purple and got there. If I want to get to blue I know I need to learn a lot more matchups/situations, work on my neutral and spacing, and especially work on my defense.
That sounds like me but I made it to Eddy-Raijin but got demoted twice and been stuck at Battle Ruler for almost 2wks now. Got super frustrated and had to take a couple days... Really need to work on my defense more than anything.
Dude, no way! I just found your Lili guide literally last night and loved how you went over stuff like timing and movement being applicable to higher level tekken. No one is really talking about the small things like dashing in and beating timing. Keep up the guides! Thank you for taking the time to make these, too.
glad to hear it! a lot of tekken guides are made for noobs but tbh theres not much content out there for people in the mid/higher side of the bellcurve
Im so glad he mentions side stepping being a great option to avoid flow charts. So many people don't realize how many strings you can side step on block. Also please everyone play how you enjoy, the high ranks really will take a lot of focus and sweating for non veterans. Just enjoy the climb while it's enjoyable for you
Quick match would have been great if it also had a rank filter. In its current state it’s the most toxic place in tekken with ki charges and one and done that I prefer playing ranked and losing a than seeing that shit.
@@fuzuligulmammadli7884 Loll I've played one quick match so far haha, I had no idea it was like this. I'm mostly doing player matches and ranked sometimes.
I was kind of hitting a wall in Shinryu-Tenryu range and then I watched this video. Purple rank baby! And already getting closer to blue, let's go! Thank you!!!!!!
"There's a lot of things in Tekken that are just not learned in the lab. They're only learned by playing games against opponents, creating a theory on how to beat them, executing that theory, and seeing if it works or not." Good vid, @nobacktalk 💪
I have this weird habit where I look for a opponents High habits for duck counters, blocking is my second form of defense. This video told me block first use that way of defense second with more sidesteps thank you good sir 🖖
Definitely good to look for highs especially out of strings. It is definitely a risk to do it in the open (ie reading a jab or electric) but like I said in the vid, there’s a time and place to take those risks
It’s not that frames don’t matter , it’s that you are reading and conditioning your opponent in a match. If you are playing against someone and you hit them with an attack that gives you negative frames , and attack afterwards , you are attacking because you are making a prediction that the opponent is going to do a move that you can crush or stop with a faster frame move , even though you are at negative frames. Or if you have conditioned the opponent to be afraid to attack even after you’ve hit them with a negative frame attack , then you can bully them with more unsafe moves or negative moves until they respond to them. Frames always matter but it is a gauge.
Frames don't matter much if your character has none. Frame data is a trap set in your mind by tekken devs. Break free from it and embrace your inner Kuma to become the next level salt generator
Saw this vid a while back when I was maining Reina ( currently at Garyu). Took a break from her & applied what you discussed here with Lidia & I hit Mighty Ruler with her. Thanks for the advice!
I love the information that you gave isnt just about mechanics or learning the buttons (which is still important, such as grab breaks and being able to use heat engagers), and puts emphasis on the underlying knowledge that sets apart the ranks. I'm still orange and trying to fight my way in to red but this information being at the forefront of my mind will probably be what i need to get up there
1:57 This just gave me a mini breakthrough, I think I get what you mean. Without watching the rest of the video, I think of how my character's low leads into a frame trap, but people beat it by using a move that, while technically not as fast, evades the next hit and wins. Essentially, while frames are important, they are not the only thing relevant at any given time. Edit: This was a really good video, I was partially off but learned a lot. I'm looking forward to seeing your other stuff
My goal was to reach Tekken god, but then I quickly realized how difficult that is going to be for me with my limited time to play and learn. So, I made a smaller goal, which was to reach red ranks with the GOAT, Lidia. I made it. I’m happy. This is my first time ever playing competitive tekken and playing tekken online. I took a lot of knowledge from past games and shot up to red ranks quicker than most. I probably won’t reach purple ranks or above, but I’m happy. If I reach purple one day, hell yeah. If not, oh well.
Playing by the frames is what I do, great point. Im always like “oh -3, I can side step. Oh +Anything, frame trap. Oh, dont use anything -10 or above” Definitely makes me predictable and locks out moves. Thanks for the help!
We have a similar thought process when fighting!! I agreed with everything you said. Especially your one comment to someone about how it's great sometimes to use plus frames to do nothing and using minus frames to do something. My play style is more about constantly taking risks with my Bryan giving the impression to them that I am good but they are "better" than me. Soon as they feel like they got the win in the bag I switch my play style up back and forth between being super risky to being super safe.
You can still beat good players by hell sweeping all of the time. You gotta keep in mind that they probably aren't going to expect you to do something so risky every chance you get and you can really catch people off guard with the "no mix up mix up." It really just depends on who you're up against. Any tendency and patterns in your play can be advantageous or harmful depending on how your opponent responds. That's the dance.
great video! love the part about not living in the lab. do want to say that red/purple feels way more low rank now (blue as well) where you can still beat people by just playing frames
A pro tip is if worrying about your rank is making the game even less enjoyable. Go to quick match so your points aren't affected, grind there instead and when you know you have improved go back to ranked and you'll reach the next rank plateau.
Nice video brotha. The little things in fighting games will help you grow exponentially more then the system mechanics that you’ll learn anyway. I like that you point this out! Wato Out!
Might be the vid I needed, cruised through the ranks until I hit Eliminator and struggled to get to Garyu. Only got close to Shinryu once and then it's been a seesaw from Eliminator to mid Garyu rank. Been trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Followed this advice and just beat a shinryu. Cant recommend enough. This is how you beat somebody that is mashing or just attacking every opportunity they can. Game changer
After playing higher level players (tekken gods etc) i realised i actually have more fun in lower ranks, to beat higher level players i have to do certain things consistently and it gets boring, in purples and blues i can just do stuff i want more 😅
@@abrahamalviarez5870 I will say comparing competent players to "sweat" is odd. I'm pretty competent at the game, but I'm not "sweating" or trying hard af, I just play focused so that I can recognize telegraphed strings to duck and punish, be patient so I can time my strong counterhit mids and just overall focus on keeping my defense tight. I guess y'all just want to fight against players who just swing for the fences and constantly toss out -14 or lower moves every round.
@@jamessummers5936Why are you taking offense? People are usually sweaty at the higher tiers. To be at the higher levels at most competitive things you most likely have to be sweaty. Most people aren’t willing to pay the toll so they aren’t at those levels.
I’m like a low-mid level player so take this with a huge grain of salt but I think “don’t care about frame data” is a disservice to learners. I would say a better way to actually progress is to learn the fundamentals of characters’ frame data (what’s plus? what’s launch punishable? Etc) and THEN realize how irrelevant it is and throw it out the window. Like English professors say: *know the rules to break the rules.* The simple reality of mental stack means that knowing frame data will never mean as much in practice as it does in theory, but I still think it’s a mistake to deemphasize it to the extent suggested in this video - even taking into account it being self aware about being hyperbolic. Same with combos, honestly. Everyone says “don’t focus on combos in Tekken, combos are overrated” and that’s true BUT I think someone who labs a ton of combos and then goes “this isn’t really helping me, let me focus on more important stuff” is still going to be in a better place than someone who just totally disregarded combos from the beginning and therefore can barely get 50 damage out of a big read on a counter hit. Even if your combos are nowhere near optimal, that extra 20-30 damage that you get from really seizing an opportunity can make a HUGE difference. I would absolutely argue it’s better to disregard learning combos after you’ve already learned some good stuff you’re able to execute than to disregard it from the beginning.
what it comes down to is your fundamentals. a vast majority of the time i play people they just smash their face into me and i can outplay that by blocking and just making reads. On a similar train to you i agree frame data shouldn't be the end all be all... but it IS important. For example zafinas scarecrow power crush launcher until now i've only really been punishing it with a 10-13 frame punish when i could have blown it up. Knowing and understanding what you can explode with a launch is generally the most important points of understanding frame data lol.
Best thing to do is play the characters that give you a hard match up I learned how to counter characters by playing them and getting launched lmao now I know when to launch you and all I gotta do is launch you 2 times and I get a dub That’s high level tekken because now all I need with any character is to know my 10 13 and 15 frame punish and a combo that does at least 70 damage
Kinda disagree with tip 2. Combos are definitely worth learning as it straight up increases your dmg output and punish game. Plus, learning combos will actually let you understand your characters gameplan better. Going for b1 as bryan for example might seem trash to a player with no combos, but once you learn that b1 gives you like 80 dmg off of ch the you start to see the value in not just b1 but bryans ch in general. Also, combos are easy af to practice anyways, much more han fundamentals. Its a very straightforward process and you have no excuse on not learning your combos.
combos are definitely the first thing you should study when playing a new char. that said id definitely avoid learning max dmg combos unless its something very fun for you
I think what he was going for was not to just sit there and focus on learning different routes and max damage combos. Learn your bnb combos off of your main launcher, alternate launcher, and a wall combo. That’s all you’ll need while you focus on fundamentals
Ive played Tekken since T5(T8 being the first one where i actually started playing online) and I've never understood Frame Data. That's why when T7 didn't have frame data upon release i was one of the few people who wasnt really upset about it. And when they did released it, didn't really use it. I also never use and follow flow charts for my characters. I go to practice mode, and see which move i can use and see which of them i can chain together by trial and error
The rank killers are these spam characters like hwoarang, lars, eddy, etc. The S tiers of course as well. If you choose to play a semi respectable player its going to be significantly harder
Bryan main as well. I've managed to reach Fujin but now I've been kinda bouncing between Battle Ruler and Fujin. Playing him requires like double the mental energy since his standard form is T7 but weaker and in heat he's just kind at his T7 form.
There are problems that you forgot in tip 3, if the opponent sees you block too much he will mix you up with throws which already is threatning. But there are also moves that are low, but have guaranteed extension if low hits like Steve's stomp, Lili also have something like this I'm certain. And then hellsweeps, some throws and many other moves are scary just because they set up okizeme which is a whole more to talk about. Blocking in T8 is just too risky and you won't have time to download your opponent when you're busy standing up from the ground. It's not that simple as you portray it
Thank you so much for this. I recently hit gatyu with Bryan and have been red rank with Yoshi for a while, of which I am proud of being a Tekken newbie. I still have been having fun with the game but I've been so confused as to why I feel so hardstuck in red. Thank you for saving me a month or two of predictable neutral play
I’m a flame/battle ruler Purple Kazuya player and I’ve found that I lose to a characters that I’m not familiar with then they don’t rematch win or lose lol. I think it basically comes down to knowing all of the matchups in order to move up. Thanks for the tips! I’m hoping to make blue ranks some day. (My real main is Heihachi, hope he makes a comeback). 😢😅
I just got to mid, T8 is my first Tekken I got serious in and have played in ranked, so this helps! I've played casually since the mid 90s haha EDIT: I'm a Shinryu lol
it's incredible effective to do flashy stuff with reina from garyu to above, most people expects my frame attacks like u say, at some point unless u start practicing a lot with a character, there's a clear meta currently in game, for example LARS, that bro is naturally stronger, with his constant low movement u cant really tell if he's doing lows and mids, same happens with JIN, the mixes up a lot of low attacks, with his most basic string he can break ur heat engager over and over. being unpredictable and keeping good spacing and all those fudamentals is great, but in my opinion, knowing the mach up is much more important, I think most of the people can defeat a kazuya player because everyone practices against kazuya in lab while we wait for the matchmaking, sometimes just fudamentals cant win a knowledge check, it's important to slowly learn the other fighters, it's like when u fight a mirror match, u dont get hit by the basic stuff, but more because of the fundamental of tekken. lots of tekken gods / god of destruction are people who been playing for YEARS tekken and knows the enemies. Also, I kinda like being red rank because of the lobby, I do enjoy a more casual experience, people plugs too much on purple ranks.
Start frames are actually important once you know the moves that are plus or punishable you get better especially your own start up frames, mid level is to know what’s punishable or not movement is for higher rank, you can wave dash and kbd all you want and still lose by being punished, being unpredictable is only when you find out they don’t know the character, your play style makes you unpredictable
Very good video, bro. I agree with most of what you said here. I def have had a problem of relying on frames too much. So much so that I wouldn't even attack if I was negative. I have now just been experimenting with different stuff in matches. Limit pushing and seeing what I can get away with. Or seeing if a certain thing works in a situation. It has made me not climb as much, but I believe it is helping me in the long run.
Nothing Mid , about purple ranks - especially if you use a character that requires Actual tekken skills, Bryan- Steve- Kazuya - Lili- Jin(ish) - Zafina - Clauido, Paul.
Great Guide! Really agree with all the points and need to improve myself using the same mentality. Just one thing, Red/Purple ranks are above 50%-70% of the players already, they are experienced players, can learn also from a matchup, but as you said, they use way too much frames, flowcharts or risk themselves being too offensive.
This is a good video, I dont know whether I missed it or you didnt mention it, but I wanted to mention that using mixups to condition your opponent to contest you without having to take huge risks afterwards is a thing I commonly dont see a lot of players in fighting games use in general, or things like using pressure resets in more traditional fgs as a way to encourage the opponent to fall for frametraps.
Dude this video was a god send I’m a couple matches away from purple because of the tip to juss relax and hold block…. Using that and juss side stepping is having me kill the red ranks now !!
It's not that you have to forget about the frames ... You have to use the frames to make your opponent respect you first. Anyway most good players will respect the frames. Once he knows you are gonna do a frame trap for exemple, he will sidestep, use a powercrush, whathever. So you have to adapt to what your opponent will do to counter your trap. For example you do a blockstun attack and then a homing move, if he step he gets hot if he jab you gets hit. It's a mind game.
I think knowing the frames IS important. I think the problem is that most people domt know how tonuse them properly. Knowing frames does not mean you're a predictable player. I'm a Yoshi main as well and I normally use my frames to be unpredictable. Quick and easy example: Yoshimitsu's flash is 6 frames fast. That means that leaves yoshi at -4 and above will get flashed. Worst case scenario, it will trade with the opponent's jab but it's still in my favor. So... Azucena uses her annoying 'While Running' move. I block it, leaving me in minus frames. She got hit by flash before so my opponent is actually smart enough to actually bait it out. They always stand still though. So it's my turn. If I'm sure that they will hold still, I would just use Poison Breath to launch them. xD
I don't know if I am the only one who goes trough this, but sometimes I feel like I screw myself up by overestimating my opponents. I always assume people on the other side are players who think and try to adapt to their opponent, only to die by the same pattern they did the whole match, some do adapt and crouch and SS and whatnot, most don't however. I can't count how many times I played against Law, Dragunov, King, Jun, Jin and many more who do the same stuff over and over again, and worked because I thought they would change their strategy/approach once I SS, blocked or punished. I don't know man, I hate calling my opponents bad and stuff but feels like it has been biting me in the ass when trying to improve. Maybe that's where the frames and predictable stuff comes into play, eating almonds and apples while playing has helped me a bit to focus harder on my opponent lmao. While I hate being a garyuer, last year I couldn't even get to teal ranks in 7 so despite all that I feel like I have grown a lot as a player and sometimes feel like I can take on anyone, these kind of games are a marathon not a damn race for sure.
last time i played tekken 8 i was 12 years old not having any idea about the combos or anything at all - now i work 10 hours a day and i play 2 hours a day only and i started tekken 8 and without having any knowledge about it and im Shinryu now .... i think im a beast.
practicing combos and learning my characters moves does help me not misinput since I'm a newer player on a K lever but I see what you're saying the neutral game is much more important it is the true essence of improving, the only issue i have now is sticking to a main I got my reina to ganryu a while ago and now I am all over the place labing a bunch of characters
I disagree with frame traps. I Hit fujin yesterday with asuka and I'm understanding frame data now, knowing what moves I can use to continue my block strings gets you very far bc you can mix up the opponent more, but the difference is you're mashing frame traps, if you use them less your opponent doesn't know your attack pattern so you've rectified the predictability. Jabs hit quicker that most frame traps so even the mashers themselves can't just escape with jabs
Ive been stuck in Garyu for a month now and I really liked this tips. I was always playing on my frame data which make me so predictable. My problem with my gameplay is I always hold back to learn my opponents but some moves are non learnable inside the match. Especially the +frames.
Hmm, I think knowing frames are important before pattern recognition. Personally I am good at predicting what moves come next. But sometimes suffer from reacting to it and punishing moves.
I'm a Tekken King Player and I still watched this video. I be feeling like a low rank all the time. There are players that sometimes make me feel free. But the idea that you can block is also scarry for the opposite side.
My best advice is to rematch everyone and turn on level tolerance to Highest so your playing hier level players. Also I play Lars I throw out 2 hellsweeps and then a circle kick it gets most people. Work on the mind game.
If you are struggling at any rank, thats where you're supposed to be. Spend the time in mid or low ranks wisely, thats your opportunity to learn and improve. Don't get ahead of yourself due to ego and end up in blues with 0 neutral, punishment or match up knowledge
We can agree to disagree but purple rank is not mid, it's high intermediate. And realistically speaking, in rank most people are just gonna comes at you like a mad dog mashing doesnt even care about frames or whatsover.They just want to win. Even players in blue ranks above.No fundamentals, mindgames, can't even punish properly and whiff most of the time. I'm not a believer in high or low level players. Only higher or lower ranks in ranked. Even if you are lower ranks, that doesnt mean you suck. Rank doesnt mean anything anymore, at least in tekken 8. Just my 2 cents. Appreciate the tips anyway.
Purple rank is less than mid, get your head out of your ass and realize just how much there is to learn. I hit blue 120 hours into Tekken 8 with Bryan and this is my first fighting game ever, this doesn't make me "high intermediate" it just makes me not a fucking retard. I would get absolutely bodied by anyone who knows what they're doing and that's a fact.
My problem with the red ranks is the following. My tekken Prowess is between 110-115 000 BUT I constantly get matches against 150 000, 180 000 and even 240-250 000 people. How crazy is that? And even when I win against a player who has much higher prowess, I don't get a large xp increase at all...
as a red reina I learned that low attacks = win, that's why some characters like asuka or jin are a terrible enemy for reina, since our knees sucks (we smash too much)
I've gotten to Vanquisher last week and I can't move anywhere from it. I know where's the problem in my gameplay I just don't know how to correct it, so I can't be too stressed about the rank. I recently picked up some characters I don't mind losing with just so I can learn matchups for my mains. I like the game.
I would have phrased the first lesson differently. It should be "don't rely too much on frame traps." As a general rule, you want to play by frames. This means block when you're minus, attack when you're plus. This is good clean Tekken and will get you far. You just don't want to get caught in predictable patterns and frame traps.
imo i disagree. attack when plus and block when minus is something that even red ranks understand-and usually what makes them lose tbh especially vs better players plus is when you have initiative, minus is when you have to make predictions. sometimes its good to use plus frames to do nothing and sometimes its good to use minus frames to do something
Great video man. This is my first tekken and I am currently mighty with yoshi (my favorite one until now). I think my approach is similar to what you explained (at least it's what I try to do XD). I'm tryng to transfer these infos to my friends to improve together but they're deaf 😂 i will use you to wake them up and let them see the matrix 😂😊 Waiting for some yoshi in depth analysis; would love that.
When im playing Jun in lower ranks I get a lot of value out of just waiting for the opponent to throw out some big move in neutral and punishing it with f+2. some players figure it out and start respecting it, but others dont and get blown up. Sometimes i forget that opponents are almost never respecting my offense which probably comes from guilty gear where my opponents usually adapt to frame traps.
I really feel that I need to learn to break throws consistently in this game... I'm super slow in recognizing the animation, I suffer too much playing against king and drag. That is all free damage. 😂
Since this is my first Tekken game and getting the game a month after release, I spent a while hard stuck in garyu falling out and going back up. But after just playing a ton I just learned more about my character and how to punish properly I was able to reach blue ranks not too long hitting purple. I’ve only ever played smash before this so the transition was kinda weird tho. 😂
Not everyone can be a high lvl player and trust me, you don’t want to. You have to know all punishable moves with every character, you also have to love and crave the hardest fights.
Playing by the frames lets you know what your options are. It doesn't limit you in the slightest. Knowing a frame trap doesn't require frame knowledge.
It limits you in the same way the 3 point shot in basketball does when you're super reliant on it (same with being super reliant on basketball analytics in general) or "falling in love with it".
@therickestmorty2482 knowing frames yes but we all know that it doesn't take much for people to become obsessed over them. Especially if winning is their main goal.
@@Drebin1989 i definitely agree that happens to some people. Doesn't mean people should ignore frame knowledge lol. You can 100% use frame data to get better at the game.
@therickestmorty2482 no one is saying to ignore it completely. Yes it helps but what you can't do however is put so much of an emphasis on it that you make yourself predictable. You do not want to make yourself playoff James Harden. Not to mention that it will cause you quite a bit of frustration when something doesn't go how you think it's supposed to go. I got a friend that's going through that frustration now. Me and him are both Fujins. Hell I frustrated him the last time we played against each other. While I do use frames at times, my playstyle is heavily focused on it.
In purples I’ve found that people tend to have perfectly crafted their offensive flowcharts to overwhelm people that are trying to steal their turn back/play on immediate timings (by delaying strings, using moves that look jab punishable but aren’t etc) You will find a lot more opportunities to beat these players by slowing down your game and really thinking about where you can take your turn or disrespect via movement
This turned into a motivational speech for me and I love it 😁 I'm also a Yoshi main that just reached Vanquisher and at 8:28 I reacted with "I would do DF 2" right when you alao said it, I felt great haha
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if u improved ranks b/c of this video and dont subscribe im going to snipe your queue to demote you one day
@nobacktalk can't demote me if I'm still green rank.... We playing 4d chess out here!
Beggar begs for subs and money while calling people who criticize his videos "garyu". That's pretty funny
@HyunaTheHyena He's just joking around man. It's all good.
@@HyunaTheHyena Yeah it's all in fun.
You should be proud to be mid. If you made Garyu, you are better than a majority of players. Don't worry too much about rank and focus on improving and have fun.
I made it to vanquisher and I'm over the moon about it. I mean I still regularly get blown up by red ranks but I'm doing alright 👍
I hit raijin and still feel like a beginner man.
@@KripticHCSsame
mid is vanquisher (and it requires effort too) being in reds mean u are competent in the game and u could start the "grind"
Just got to garyu with Kazuya, first time i'm serious with Tekken ranking and it is something for me.
"i can't even do an electric"
*does an electric* 😭😭
I have to do auto electric with jin 😭😭
If you do electric on your 5th try, trust me, you can't do electric (in terms of like it's unusable in the actual game - chances are that those failed attempts will get you killed rather than help you)
Just keep practicing, they are more of a rhythm thing for me if that helps, probably not 😂
One tip is also to present a situation and see how the opponent reacts to it. Do a low. Opponent hopkicks immediately after. Thats valuable information.
I made it to purple ranks. Honestly I’m super happy where I’m at, this is the first Tekken I’ve taken time to learn and be “competitive”at since the first Tekken Tag which was 20+ years ago. My original goal was red and once I got there it was definitely tough. I demoted to orange a few times but once I got to Shinryu I made it to Tenryu right away which surprised me. Then I said F it and went for purple and got there. If I want to get to blue I know I need to learn a lot more matchups/situations, work on my neutral and spacing, and especially work on my defense.
That sounds like me but I made it to Eddy-Raijin but got demoted twice and been stuck at Battle Ruler for almost 2wks now. Got super frustrated and had to take a couple days... Really need to work on my defense more than anything.
Purple rank in Tekken 8 is like green rank in 7 😂
@@heloo6101 Green rank level comment
Dude, no way! I just found your Lili guide literally last night and loved how you went over stuff like timing and movement being applicable to higher level tekken. No one is really talking about the small things like dashing in and beating timing. Keep up the guides! Thank you for taking the time to make these, too.
glad to hear it! a lot of tekken guides are made for noobs but tbh theres not much content out there for people in the mid/higher side of the bellcurve
Im so glad he mentions side stepping being a great option to avoid flow charts. So many people don't realize how many strings you can side step on block. Also please everyone play how you enjoy, the high ranks really will take a lot of focus and sweating for non veterans. Just enjoy the climb while it's enjoyable for you
What Ive found that is helping me learn is playing quick match . Gives me oppurtunity to learn match ups , and better strategies
Quick match would have been great if it also had a rank filter. In its current state it’s the most toxic place in tekken with ki charges and one and done that I prefer playing ranked and losing a than seeing that shit.
@@fuzuligulmammadli7884 I see , I have experienced that in rank and quick matches lol
@@fuzuligulmammadli7884 Loll I've played one quick match so far haha, I had no idea it was like this. I'm mostly doing player matches and ranked sometimes.
I was kind of hitting a wall in Shinryu-Tenryu range and then I watched this video. Purple rank baby! And already getting closer to blue, let's go! Thank you!!!!!!
yooo good to hear
"There's a lot of things in Tekken that are just not learned in the lab. They're only learned by playing games against opponents, creating a theory on how to beat them, executing that theory, and seeing if it works or not."
Good vid, @nobacktalk 💪
I have this weird habit where I look for a opponents High habits for duck counters, blocking is my second form of defense. This video told me block first use that way of defense second with more sidesteps thank you good sir 🖖
Definitely good to look for highs especially out of strings. It is definitely a risk to do it in the open (ie reading a jab or electric) but like I said in the vid, there’s a time and place to take those risks
It’s not that frames don’t matter , it’s that you are reading and conditioning your opponent in a match. If you are playing against someone and you hit them with an attack that gives you negative frames , and attack afterwards , you are attacking because you are making a prediction that the opponent is going to do a move that you can crush or stop with a faster frame move , even though you are at negative frames. Or if you have conditioned the opponent to be afraid to attack even after you’ve hit them with a negative frame attack , then you can bully them with more unsafe moves or negative moves until they respond to them. Frames always matter but it is a gauge.
He…he basically said that.
watched for 1 second now i am tekken king kuma
Cannot comprehend spoken or written language still a GoD Kuma
Frames don't matter much if your character has none. Frame data is a trap set in your mind by tekken devs. Break free from it and embrace your inner Kuma to become the next level salt generator
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@user-fp8mn6sv5c your only negative frames if your a coward 😂
Saw this vid a while back when I was maining Reina ( currently at Garyu). Took a break from her & applied what you discussed here with Lidia & I hit Mighty Ruler with her. Thanks for the advice!
I love the information that you gave isnt just about mechanics or learning the buttons (which is still important, such as grab breaks and being able to use heat engagers), and puts emphasis on the underlying knowledge that sets apart the ranks. I'm still orange and trying to fight my way in to red but this information being at the forefront of my mind will probably be what i need to get up there
I’m in red-purple but I’m not frustrated
It’s smarter to just play a lot of player match
To learn how to play YOUR MAIN
safely
1:57 This just gave me a mini breakthrough, I think I get what you mean. Without watching the rest of the video, I think of how my character's low leads into a frame trap, but people beat it by using a move that, while technically not as fast, evades the next hit and wins. Essentially, while frames are important, they are not the only thing relevant at any given time. Edit: This was a really good video, I was partially off but learned a lot. I'm looking forward to seeing your other stuff
That Yoshi down F2 look like Heihachi Down F2 from T7.
It’s what made me exploded passed blue rankings.
Great Video.
Thx. 🫶🏽
My goal was to reach Tekken god, but then I quickly realized how difficult that is going to be for me with my limited time to play and learn. So, I made a smaller goal, which was to reach red ranks with the GOAT, Lidia. I made it. I’m happy. This is my first time ever playing competitive tekken and playing tekken online. I took a lot of knowledge from past games and shot up to red ranks quicker than most. I probably won’t reach purple ranks or above, but I’m happy. If I reach purple one day, hell yeah. If not, oh well.
Playing by the frames is what I do, great point. Im always like “oh -3, I can side step. Oh +Anything, frame trap. Oh, dont use anything -10 or above”
Definitely makes me predictable and locks out moves. Thanks for the help!
We have a similar thought process when fighting!! I agreed with everything you said. Especially your one comment to someone about how it's great sometimes to use plus frames to do nothing and using minus frames to do something.
My play style is more about constantly taking risks with my Bryan giving the impression to them that I am good but they are "better" than me. Soon as they feel like they got the win in the bag I switch my play style up back and forth between being super risky to being super safe.
You can still beat good players by hell sweeping all of the time. You gotta keep in mind that they probably aren't going to expect you to do something so risky every chance you get and you can really catch people off guard with the "no mix up mix up." It really just depends on who you're up against. Any tendency and patterns in your play can be advantageous or harmful depending on how your opponent responds. That's the dance.
no a good player will just block the hellsweep and combo you into oblivion
great video! love the part about not living in the lab. do want to say that red/purple feels way more low rank now (blue as well) where you can still beat people by just playing frames
A pro tip is if worrying about your rank is making the game even less enjoyable. Go to quick match so your points aren't affected, grind there instead and when you know you have improved go back to ranked and you'll reach the next rank plateau.
Been hard stuck red rank but I love this game so I still play when I can
Nice video brotha. The little things in fighting games will help you grow exponentially more then the system mechanics that you’ll learn anyway. I like that you point this out! Wato Out!
Might be the vid I needed, cruised through the ranks until I hit Eliminator and struggled to get to Garyu. Only got close to Shinryu once and then it's been a seesaw from Eliminator to mid Garyu rank. Been trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong.
Followed this advice and just beat a shinryu. Cant recommend enough. This is how you beat somebody that is mashing or just attacking every opportunity they can. Game changer
After playing higher level players (tekken gods etc) i realised i actually have more fun in lower ranks, to beat higher level players i have to do certain things consistently and it gets boring, in purples and blues i can just do stuff i want more 😅
I feel like high level players adapt faster and therefore, force you to not be consistent.
Same
people from blue and beyond gets too sweaty
@@abrahamalviarez5870 I will say comparing competent players to "sweat" is odd. I'm pretty competent at the game, but I'm not "sweating" or trying hard af, I just play focused so that I can recognize telegraphed strings to duck and punish, be patient so I can time my strong counterhit mids and just overall focus on keeping my defense tight. I guess y'all just want to fight against players who just swing for the fences and constantly toss out -14 or lower moves every round.
@@jamessummers5936Why are you taking offense? People are usually sweaty at the higher tiers. To be at the higher levels at most competitive things you most likely have to be sweaty. Most people aren’t willing to pay the toll so they aren’t at those levels.
I’m like a low-mid level player so take this with a huge grain of salt but I think “don’t care about frame data” is a disservice to learners. I would say a better way to actually progress is to learn the fundamentals of characters’ frame data (what’s plus? what’s launch punishable? Etc) and THEN realize how irrelevant it is and throw it out the window. Like English professors say: *know the rules to break the rules.* The simple reality of mental stack means that knowing frame data will never mean as much in practice as it does in theory, but I still think it’s a mistake to deemphasize it to the extent suggested in this video - even taking into account it being self aware about being hyperbolic.
Same with combos, honestly. Everyone says “don’t focus on combos in Tekken, combos are overrated” and that’s true BUT I think someone who labs a ton of combos and then goes “this isn’t really helping me, let me focus on more important stuff” is still going to be in a better place than someone who just totally disregarded combos from the beginning and therefore can barely get 50 damage out of a big read on a counter hit. Even if your combos are nowhere near optimal, that extra 20-30 damage that you get from really seizing an opportunity can make a HUGE difference. I would absolutely argue it’s better to disregard learning combos after you’ve already learned some good stuff you’re able to execute than to disregard it from the beginning.
what it comes down to is your fundamentals. a vast majority of the time i play people they just smash their face into me and i can outplay that by blocking and just making reads. On a similar train to you i agree frame data shouldn't be the end all be all... but it IS important. For example zafinas scarecrow power crush launcher until now i've only really been punishing it with a 10-13 frame punish when i could have blown it up. Knowing and understanding what you can explode with a launch is generally the most important points of understanding frame data lol.
Best thing to do is play the characters that give you a hard match up
I learned how to counter characters by playing them and getting launched lmao now I know when to launch you and all I gotta do is launch you 2 times and I get a dub
That’s high level tekken because now all I need with any character is to know my 10 13 and 15 frame punish and a combo that does at least 70 damage
Kinda disagree with tip 2. Combos are definitely worth learning as it straight up increases your dmg output and punish game. Plus, learning combos will actually let you understand your characters gameplan better. Going for b1 as bryan for example might seem trash to a player with no combos, but once you learn that b1 gives you like 80 dmg off of ch the you start to see the value in not just b1 but bryans ch in general. Also, combos are easy af to practice anyways, much more han fundamentals. Its a very straightforward process and you have no excuse on not learning your combos.
combos are definitely the first thing you should study when playing a new char. that said id definitely avoid learning max dmg combos unless its something very fun for you
I think what he was going for was not to just sit there and focus on learning different routes and max damage combos. Learn your bnb combos off of your main launcher, alternate launcher, and a wall combo. That’s all you’ll need while you focus on fundamentals
You're a scrub then.
@@nobacktalkCombos are literally always the very last thing you should learn about a character, what are you talking about?
@@BigDaddyWes not according to knee :)
Ive played Tekken since T5(T8 being the first one where i actually started playing online) and I've never understood Frame Data. That's why when T7 didn't have frame data upon release i was one of the few people who wasnt really upset about it. And when they did released it, didn't really use it. I also never use and follow flow charts for my characters. I go to practice mode, and see which move i can use and see which of them i can chain together by trial and error
He: Explaining
Me: Is that a Sailor Moon Yoshimitsu?
Loll i jst realized that
The rank killers are these spam characters like hwoarang, lars, eddy, etc. The S tiers of course as well. If you choose to play a semi respectable player its going to be significantly harder
True. Playing Bryan and being in the red-purple rank zone was migraine inducingly annoying.
What rank are you btw?
also JIN, that guy gatekeeps so much
If you’re a good player you can blow past these “rank killers” everyone has a way to beat them.
Bryan main as well. I've managed to reach Fujin but now I've been kinda bouncing between Battle Ruler and Fujin. Playing him requires like double the mental energy since his standard form is T7 but weaker and in heat he's just kind at his T7 form.
I can't even imagine getting into the purple ranks when i bought the game.😂 I'm now focusing to get all characters to purple.
There are problems that you forgot in tip 3, if the opponent sees you block too much he will mix you up with throws which already is threatning. But there are also moves that are low, but have guaranteed extension if low hits like Steve's stomp, Lili also have something like this I'm certain. And then hellsweeps, some throws and many other moves are scary just because they set up okizeme which is a whole more to talk about. Blocking in T8 is just too risky and you won't have time to download your opponent when you're busy standing up from the ground. It's not that simple as you portray it
Thank you so much for this. I recently hit gatyu with Bryan and have been red rank with Yoshi for a while, of which I am proud of being a Tekken newbie. I still have been having fun with the game but I've been so confused as to why I feel so hardstuck in red. Thank you for saving me a month or two of predictable neutral play
I’m a flame/battle ruler Purple Kazuya player and I’ve found that I lose to a characters that I’m not familiar with then they don’t rematch win or lose lol. I think it basically comes down to knowing all of the matchups in order to move up. Thanks for the tips! I’m hoping to make blue ranks some day. (My real main is Heihachi, hope he makes a comeback). 😢😅
I just got to mid, T8 is my first Tekken I got serious in and have played in ranked, so this helps! I've played casually since the mid 90s haha EDIT: I'm a Shinryu lol
it's incredible effective to do flashy stuff with reina from garyu to above, most people expects my frame attacks like u say,
at some point unless u start practicing a lot with a character, there's a clear meta currently in game, for example LARS, that bro is naturally stronger,
with his constant low movement u cant really tell if he's doing lows and mids, same happens with JIN, the mixes up a lot of low attacks,
with his most basic string he can break ur heat engager over and over.
being unpredictable and keeping good spacing and all those fudamentals is great,
but in my opinion, knowing the mach up is much more important, I think most of the people can defeat a kazuya player because everyone practices against kazuya
in lab while we wait for the matchmaking, sometimes just fudamentals cant win a knowledge check, it's important to slowly learn the other fighters, it's like when
u fight a mirror match, u dont get hit by the basic stuff, but more because of the fundamental of tekken.
lots of tekken gods / god of destruction are people who been playing for YEARS tekken and knows the enemies.
Also, I kinda like being red rank because of the lobby, I do enjoy a more casual experience, people plugs too much on purple ranks.
Start frames are actually important once you know the moves that are plus or punishable you get better especially your own start up frames, mid level is to know what’s punishable or not movement is for higher rank, you can wave dash and kbd all you want and still lose by being punished, being unpredictable is only when you find out they don’t know the character, your play style makes you unpredictable
Very good video, bro. I agree with most of what you said here. I def have had a problem of relying on frames too much. So much so that I wouldn't even attack if I was negative. I have now just been experimenting with different stuff in matches. Limit pushing and seeing what I can get away with. Or seeing if a certain thing works in a situation. It has made me not climb as much, but I believe it is helping me in the long run.
Nothing Mid , about purple ranks - especially if you use a character that requires Actual tekken skills, Bryan- Steve- Kazuya - Lili- Jin(ish) - Zafina - Clauido, Paul.
Great video! Needed this. Your explanations is perfect. Definitely subscribing
Great Guide! Really agree with all the points and need to improve myself using the same mentality.
Just one thing, Red/Purple ranks are above 50%-70% of the players already, they are experienced players, can learn also from a matchup, but as you said, they use way too much frames, flowcharts or risk themselves being too offensive.
This is a good video, I dont know whether I missed it or you didnt mention it, but I wanted to mention that using mixups to condition your opponent to contest you without having to take huge risks afterwards is a thing I commonly dont see a lot of players in fighting games use in general, or things like using pressure resets in more traditional fgs as a way to encourage the opponent to fall for frametraps.
Just like MainMan, you are not entirely wrong, but what you said are half-truths
I'm guilty of spamming df+3 into f+1+2 regardless of opponent. Thank you for giving me a wakeup call
Great video. I'm tenyru at the moment. Will try to be more patient instead of being aggro 100% and leaving myself vulnerable
Just made it to raijin with nothing but sidestep and mixips/pressure with devil jin. I think it's mostly just a mental battle
Dude this video was a god send I’m a couple matches away from purple because of the tip to juss relax and hold block…. Using that and juss side stepping is having me kill the red ranks now !!
nice job man!
As a Leroy Flame Ruler my struggle is real, sometimes i feel like I need to use 100% of all I know just to win, all the parry and stuff
It's not that you have to forget about the frames ... You have to use the frames to make your opponent respect you first. Anyway most good players will respect the frames.
Once he knows you are gonna do a frame trap for exemple, he will sidestep, use a powercrush, whathever.
So you have to adapt to what your opponent will do to counter your trap. For example you do a blockstun attack and then a homing move, if he step he gets hot if he jab you gets hit. It's a mind game.
I think knowing the frames IS important. I think the problem is that most people domt know how tonuse them properly.
Knowing frames does not mean you're a predictable player. I'm a Yoshi main as well and I normally use my frames to be unpredictable.
Quick and easy example:
Yoshimitsu's flash is 6 frames fast. That means that leaves yoshi at -4 and above will get flashed. Worst case scenario, it will trade with the opponent's jab but it's still in my favor.
So... Azucena uses her annoying 'While Running' move. I block it, leaving me in minus frames. She got hit by flash before so my opponent is actually smart enough to actually bait it out. They always stand still though.
So it's my turn. If I'm sure that they will hold still, I would just use Poison Breath to launch them. xD
I don't know if I am the only one who goes trough this, but sometimes I feel like I screw myself up by overestimating my opponents. I always assume people on the other side are players who think and try to adapt to their opponent, only to die by the same pattern they did the whole match, some do adapt and crouch and SS and whatnot, most don't however.
I can't count how many times I played against Law, Dragunov, King, Jun, Jin and many more who do the same stuff over and over again, and worked because I thought they would change their strategy/approach once I SS, blocked or punished. I don't know man, I hate calling my opponents bad and stuff but feels like it has been biting me in the ass when trying to improve. Maybe that's where the frames and predictable stuff comes into play, eating almonds and apples while playing has helped me a bit to focus harder on my opponent lmao.
While I hate being a garyuer, last year I couldn't even get to teal ranks in 7 so despite all that I feel like I have grown a lot as a player and sometimes feel like I can take on anyone, these kind of games are a marathon not a damn race for sure.
I wanna get Hwoarang and King to Mighty Ruler. I really appreciate vids like this.
last time i played tekken 8 i was 12 years old not having any idea about the combos or anything at all - now i work 10 hours a day and i play 2 hours a day only and i started tekken 8 and without having any knowledge about it and im Shinryu now .... i think im a beast.
My problem is being patient. I always want to push a button when my opponent does anything, and i get punished hard😭
Having a full time job (8 to 12 hour days) and only being able to play a couple hours on the weekends doesn't help either 😭
Love how you explain things. Do you stream?
@@OneWithanOrgan i dont plan on it but maybe
Awesome video. So you play on Xbox controller too?
Hey keep making content I will keep watching . I like your chill voice and good advice. I hate loud lol
practicing combos and learning my characters moves does help me not misinput since I'm a newer player on a K lever but I see what you're saying the neutral game is much more important it is the true essence of improving, the only issue i have now is sticking to a main I got my reina to ganryu a while ago and now I am all over the place labing a bunch of characters
Cari Hiroyuki once said “I.. am..TEKKIN!”
And what he meant was that he is the EWGF and the frame data
I disagree with frame traps. I Hit fujin yesterday with asuka and I'm understanding frame data now, knowing what moves I can use to continue my block strings gets you very far bc you can mix up the opponent more, but the difference is you're mashing frame traps, if you use them less your opponent doesn't know your attack pattern so you've rectified the predictability. Jabs hit quicker that most frame traps so even the mashers themselves can't just escape with jabs
Problem with us mid players is we respect frames too much that we tend to play too honestly
tekken is about disrespect
Ive been stuck in Garyu for a month now and I really liked this tips. I was always playing on my frame data which make me so predictable. My problem with my gameplay is I always hold back to learn my opponents but some moves are non learnable inside the match. Especially the +frames.
Hmm, I think knowing frames are important before pattern recognition. Personally I am good at predicting what moves come next. But sometimes suffer from reacting to it and punishing moves.
no, if you really knew the pattern youd understand how to punish it
@@nobacktalk Not if you don't know the frames. Except for maybe 10frame punish and that too for moves without pushback.
I'm a Tekken King Player and I still watched this video. I be feeling like a low rank all the time. There are players that sometimes make me feel free. But the idea that you can block is also scarry for the opposite side.
i feel like the better I get at tekken the more i realize how much I have left to learn lol
Just made Garyu with my leo. Mix ups, basics always help. I also watch better players who used my character and copy and learn from them
My best advice is to rematch everyone and turn on level tolerance to Highest so your playing hier level players. Also I play Lars I throw out 2 hellsweeps and then a circle kick it gets most people. Work on the mind game.
Great video thanks a lot, i look forward to your next one. ❤
1 is plus a 1 ob, it’s not bad to press 1,1, but don’t spam it constantly.
+1 follower. Thank you for your tips man.
If you are struggling at any rank, thats where you're supposed to be. Spend the time in mid or low ranks wisely, thats your opportunity to learn and improve. Don't get ahead of yourself due to ego and end up in blues with 0 neutral, punishment or match up knowledge
I subbed and I’m applying this fully Wtaf u just cracked the code on why I’m so ass THSNK YOU
We can agree to disagree but purple rank is not mid, it's high intermediate. And realistically speaking, in rank most people are just gonna comes at you like a mad dog mashing doesnt even care about frames or whatsover.They just want to win. Even players in blue ranks above.No fundamentals, mindgames, can't even punish properly and whiff most of the time. I'm not a believer in high or low level players. Only higher or lower ranks in ranked. Even if you are lower ranks, that doesnt mean you suck. Rank doesnt mean anything anymore, at least in tekken 8. Just my 2 cents. Appreciate the tips anyway.
no need to take it so personally 😂😂 i dont play rank either because playing friends and lans are more fun
@@nobacktalk did I sounded like one? Nah, its ok, nothing personal. , so what I say is just how I personally thought of the game. Nothing serious. 😅
Purple rank is less than mid, get your head out of your ass and realize just how much there is to learn. I hit blue 120 hours into Tekken 8 with Bryan and this is my first fighting game ever, this doesn't make me "high intermediate" it just makes me not a fucking retard. I would get absolutely bodied by anyone who knows what they're doing and that's a fact.
Rank in Tekken 8 is indeed mostly worthless
My problem with the red ranks is the following. My tekken Prowess is between 110-115 000 BUT I constantly get matches against 150 000, 180 000 and even 240-250 000 people. How crazy is that? And even when I win against a player who has much higher prowess, I don't get a large xp increase at all...
My experience as a hard stuck red rank mishima player is whoever presses more wins
as a red reina I learned that low attacks = win, that's why some characters like asuka or jin are a terrible enemy for reina, since our knees sucks (we smash too much)
perhaps the reason you are hardstuck then
I've gotten to Vanquisher last week and I can't move anywhere from it. I know where's the problem in my gameplay I just don't know how to correct it, so I can't be too stressed about the rank. I recently picked up some characters I don't mind losing with just so I can learn matchups for my mains. I like the game.
I love this video, man. Thanks for breaking it down
I love the Sailor Moon Yoshi.
mix ups are nice to press the advantage as well
great video. instant sub (yoshi player too) i really hope you get to 1k subs, man!
I would have phrased the first lesson differently. It should be "don't rely too much on frame traps." As a general rule, you want to play by frames. This means block when you're minus, attack when you're plus. This is good clean Tekken and will get you far. You just don't want to get caught in predictable patterns and frame traps.
imo i disagree. attack when plus and block when minus is something that even red ranks understand-and usually what makes them lose tbh especially vs better players
plus is when you have initiative, minus is when you have to make predictions. sometimes its good to use plus frames to do nothing and sometimes its good to use minus frames to do something
woah, extremely insightful!
Thanks for advice. I will try 🎉
Great video man. This is my first tekken and I am currently mighty with yoshi (my favorite one until now). I think my approach is similar to what you explained (at least it's what I try to do XD). I'm tryng to transfer these infos to my friends to improve together but they're deaf 😂 i will use you to wake them up and let them see the matrix 😂😊 Waiting for some yoshi in depth analysis; would love that.
Very helpful tips, even though I'm still a beginner running away from rank. Thanks a lot. And sailor moon yoshi had me dying!! 🤣🤣
When im playing Jun in lower ranks I get a lot of value out of just waiting for the opponent to throw out some big move in neutral and punishing it with f+2. some players figure it out and start respecting it, but others dont and get blown up. Sometimes i forget that opponents are almost never respecting my offense which probably comes from guilty gear where my opponents usually adapt to frame traps.
I really feel that I need to learn to break throws consistently in this game... I'm super slow in recognizing the animation, I suffer too much playing against king and drag. That is all free damage. 😂
Since this is my first Tekken game and getting the game a month after release, I spent a while hard stuck in garyu falling out and going back up. But after just playing a ton I just learned more about my character and how to punish properly I was able to reach blue ranks not too long hitting purple. I’ve only ever played smash before this so the transition was kinda weird tho. 😂
Not everyone can be a high lvl player and trust me, you don’t want to. You have to know all punishable moves with every character, you also have to love and crave the hardest fights.
Lovely vid! Not a lilli player, but I do enjoy improving. Subbed!
Playing by the frames lets you know what your options are. It doesn't limit you in the slightest. Knowing a frame trap doesn't require frame knowledge.
It limits you in the same way the 3 point shot in basketball does when you're super reliant on it (same with being super reliant on basketball analytics in general) or "falling in love with it".
@@Drebin1989 i think there is more to it than that. Knowing your frames, and obsessing over them is different.
@therickestmorty2482 knowing frames yes but we all know that it doesn't take much for people to become obsessed over them. Especially if winning is their main goal.
@@Drebin1989 i definitely agree that happens to some people. Doesn't mean people should ignore frame knowledge lol. You can 100% use frame data to get better at the game.
@therickestmorty2482 no one is saying to ignore it completely. Yes it helps but what you can't do however is put so much of an emphasis on it that you make yourself predictable. You do not want to make yourself playoff James Harden. Not to mention that it will cause you quite a bit of frustration when something doesn't go how you think it's supposed to go.
I got a friend that's going through that frustration now. Me and him are both Fujins. Hell I frustrated him the last time we played against each other. While I do use frames at times, my playstyle is heavily focused on it.
Thank you bro this helped reflect on my gameplay a lot as a kaz main stuck in purple… does the aggressive gameplay bother you much if at all??
In purples I’ve found that people tend to have perfectly crafted their offensive flowcharts to overwhelm people that are trying to steal their turn back/play on immediate timings (by delaying strings, using moves that look jab punishable but aren’t etc)
You will find a lot more opportunities to beat these players by slowing down your game and really thinking about where you can take your turn or disrespect via movement
@@nobacktalk appreciate it bro! Huge respect to your craft and battle iq
Earned my sub. Nice informative video
This turned into a motivational speech for me and I love it 😁
I'm also a Yoshi main that just reached Vanquisher and at 8:28 I reacted with "I would do DF 2" right when you alao said it, I felt great haha