How Ride control systems are built with Irvine Ondrey Engineering
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 มิ.ย. 2024
- Today I’m going to be talking with the awesome folks over at Irvine Ondrey Engineering. This was an awesome show for me. As I’ve always been heavy intro he controls for rides, I never knew the ground steps to building the programs. Today I get to break down that wall as I talk with Ann, Brian O., and Brian P. To really find out how this process works.
Check out the company’s website if you’re in need of further assistance working your next project.
www.irvineondrey.com
More about my Guests:
Brian Ondrey, P.E.
President
Brian has always loved amusement parks and rides ever since he was a small child. It was during college, while working at Kennywood Park in Pittsburgh, that he first realized he could turn his passion into a career. Brian gained valuable experience in automation in his first engineering job, so he was ready to fly when an opportunity appeared to work in attractions controls.
Anne Irvine
CEO and Marketing Manager
From a very young age, Anne knew she wanted to make the magic and excitement of the amusement industry her life. Influenced and inspired by her "home park," Cedar Point, she dedicated everything about her life and education to learning about how the industry worked. She worked alongside Brian for many years as an intern and, despite not being an engineer, grew to absolutely love the process of bringing attractions to life.
Brian Pastor
Senior PLC Programmer
Brian has over 18 years of experience in the live entertainment and theme park industry, working with such companies as Walt Disney World Resort, Universal Studios Orlando and Cirque du Soleil in Las Vegas. Brian grew up going to Dorney Park when he was young, and that is where his love for theme parks and roller coaster took hold. Visiting parks such as Disneyland, Walt Disney World, Six Flags Great Adventure, Hersheypark, Kings Dominion and Busch Gardens Williamsburg throughout his early childhood made him realize that live entertainment and theme parks is where he wanted to take his career. - บันเทิง
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It’s Brian and Anne! These guys are awesome. Spent the day with them at CP and baseball about 10 years ago. Big love!!
I loved this! Great to hear the insight from the team who programs these rides. As a long time enthusiast and having worked in the parks they get it and love that they are the ones keeping us safe, but also giving us the thrills we love.
love love loooove the communication with the operators...there's some rides I couldn't imagine being as fun to work if they didnt have some weird quirks to them!!
Keeps it interesting right
When I worked for Six Flags America back in 1999 when the park was re-tracking and doing a new control system for the Wild One roller coaster we hired Cosign to do design a new control system. I was than young 31 year old full-time electrician and helping wiring and commissioning this ride with a young Brian and his cool boss the owner of Consign.
When I was let go from the park, I had a job interview with his boss since Brian felt that I would be a great fit for Consign team. I didn't get the job due how my resume was written, seeing that I had lot of jobs on it. Brian's boss gave me some life changing tips. I learned PLC programming from Allen Bradley. After that year, one job gave me some control and troubleshooting background which lasted 3 1/2 years and the current job 18 years. One thing I do miss is working at a park. Working at that park got me into a coaster club call Coaster Crew. Now I visit a theme parks all the time.
I worked Vengeance last year. Can confirm that the panel overlays are cool
Had the joy of working alongside Brian very briefly on a project in Australia several years ago. Great people.
Miss IOE having more of an online presence
I was not expecting this to be long as I did not see the time when it went to this video, but also did not realize how long I had been watching it until I was almost half way in and bumped my remote. These are the thing I would always think about as I would see a ride, considering how things connected and sensor systems. I would then translate some of these into Knex builds.
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For BP…the spinning on RTH really isn’t that bad (early 40s here). We re-rode it 8-10 times on our visit last month. You need to try it. 👍😄
NOTED! Thanks!
What an amazing intervieuw, can't believe the 2 hours are over already!
Only seemed like 1/2 hour when we filmed it.
Wonderful, amazing interview!!!
"You know you're in love when you can't fall asleep because reality is finally better than your dreams.” -Dr. Seuss
Dreams are wonderful... and in harmony with the Universe, progressively unveil even greater dreams. 💖
This is cool stuff. I love that this company is so public with the community about the work they do. I feel like 20 years ago this would have been frowned upon by all parks and everyone else in the industry, but I'm glad its not that way anymore. Credit to them and people like Ryan for helping to pave the way on that.
Wish you could convince Cedar Fair to let you enable multi-move on Steel Vengeance.
Fun story: I survived the Gemini 100 with Anne and a bunch of other crazies back in 2001! :)
So much fun! It’s refreshing To talk with companies that are open and willing to preach that openness.
Great guys, met them in 2016 or 2017 at a small presentation they did at some public library near Ann-Arbor. Still have the circuit board-keychain they gave hanging on my wall :).
I'm in the industry because I love it to death. Ride Mechanic here that takes care of an old woodie.
I met y’all up at CP while building SV back in 2017-18 as an electrician. You guys are amazing! Now down here in Florida looking for work! Hope to see y’all at IAAPA this fall…..
This is fascinating content thank you!
Your welcome!
Can I just say, that I love Mystic Timbers! One of my fave woodies.
Love IOE. When’s that IOE merch coming out?
I’m sure they can set something up!
@@ryantheridemechanici’d buy!!
Awesome
Fascinating & amazing video! I was disappointed to learn Phoenix actually has a ride control system. I just spent a week at Knoebels & asked the operator if he manually controlled the brakes on the curved brake run before the station. I asked because Phoenix speed was varying on this 180 degree skid brake, sometimes slamming into it & speeding around the turn with laterals I've never noticed before, sometimes just rolling slowly. He said "yes," it is indeed manually controlled, the entire brake run from start to stop in the station, but if the train's speed is too fast the computer will take over and stop the train before it reaches the station. This would also kill the chain lift & if they're running two trains the second would not be able to leave the lift & enter the only block on this coaster.
Great Ryan I appreciate you speaking about this content.
I've worked with the Brian's at my previous parks! Terrific video!❤
The question of PLCs aging out is an interesting one .... for example, in the ski lift industry, the lift controls age out just like the rides do, and resorts have to make a decision of scrap/replace or replace the controller. It's not cheap either way.
Same thing happens with elevators, as well. That "black market" for obsolete parts is a very real thing.
Wow. In not even a year this channel went from 160 subscribers to almost 6000 and Ryan got to chat with the Gods of ride automation.
This begs the question: How long until he gets Werner Stengel on the show? 😅 Place your bets now...
It’s such a trip to talk with designers and engineers for the first time and they replay with “we know who you are” I’m like, “really?!”
@@ryantheridemechanic I hope it's not the creepy kind of "we know who you are" 🤣
@@Colaholiker haha! No it turns out I’m referenced a lot in the community. I’m a good way. I’m just flattered to hear people are watching. I’ve grown the base and I’m very happy about it. Sense this is my hobby.
I've always been interested in how rides operate. On the topic of spinning rides monster at kings island is my favorite spinning ride. I know the ride is manually controlled by the ride operator which isn't common with rides today. Since the ride spins using gravity you can move around to create more spin. Pretty much every time I get off the guests in line wonder how I spin it so much. Even some of the ride ops don't get it. It is quite hard to judge maximum spin rate although I think it is around 240 rpm (4 rps) and I can easily maintain 120 rpm (2 rps)
Too Ann's point the reason any incident is such a big deal is exactly the fact that they are SO Rare compared to the shear number of people that ride uneventfuly and totally safe, i wish people would understand that.
Could you make a video showing how the Harry Potter switch track works you were talking about? If you don't have any footage or images, using cardboard aided design?
I have some people looking for footage. I honestly don’t clearly rember how it operated to duplicate it. I just remember it was super cool and looked like something out of a transformers movie.
Do any roller coaster manufacturers have a control systems team who does all of it ‘in-house’? Or do all of them hire external control systems companies for that side of things?
Most higher an outside company like Irvine Ondre Engineering that I talked with a couple of weeks ago. Heck that out if you haven’t seen it yet. About 2.5 hr long.
Unrelated…. I tried to get you some TT2 pics but they have the trains in a position where I couldn’t get and good ones. They had seats off of the silver train on Thursday with the rest of the train assembled but all back on today and was doing test runs last night. I have a question that I think you can answer. We’ve seen raptor (B&M invert) go down twice in the last few days and both time a mechanic came out, went up a ladder at the base of the lift, and drained some liquid out of a faucet with one of those turn things to open the valve. Any idea what that is? We joked that it needed an oil change but I’m guessing some sort of fluid that may heat and expand and need drained off or something, not sure. Thanks in advance.
Probably water. Water can condensate inside air lines and prevent valves from working properly. Although not sure what air there might be there unless theses a take in front of the lift? If they are doing this, there is a good chance the rides air dryer by the compressor is damaged letting more moisture into the air system. And in the long run but for now just annoying. Just a guess though.
My question is. Once they have a program written for a ride and it works perfectly fine, Do they store that program on a jump drive or some type of hard drive that they can use later on (if need be) like if the computer gets fried by lightning and they need to install a new computer or if the computer/software gets corrupted they have the program they can just reload and be back in business?
Yes. The program can be reloaded. The park generally keeps a copy of the program. Also I used to go around the the rides twice a year and back up the program to keep things like timer and cycle counters up to date if the original is lost.
What communication protocol do the PLCs use, CANBus?
I can’t speak for everything but I’ve worked with several different profibus modbus etc. maybe IOe can respond for a better answer?
@@ryantheridemechanic Hi! Brian P here. The answer is, LOTS, really. We typically use Rockwell Automation PLCs and we use ethernet/ip to communicate with MOST other field devices (remote racks, drives etc.) But we also do use a protocol called ASi (Actuator Sensor Interface) when we have to communicate with a train for lapbar monitoring and locking/unlocking restraints. You'll find that most PLC manufacturers have the ability for their PLC to "speak" several different "languages". -BP
@@irvineondreyengineering8389 awesome thanks for the answer!
So Lex Luthor- as a ride mechanic you ride on the top of the car and it jogs all the way up...I ride our tilt a whirl with the lapbar up. I can't spin.
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