I built a PC 8 years ago with amd Fx4100 cpu and stock cooler, ran it at 4.4 ghz oc. The computer was open everyday and games are played frequently too. I never changed the thermal paste all those years until I renewed it for ryzen 5. Never saw an increase in temps as long as I kept the internals clean. I have a full tower case and I think air ventilation in a case is much more important than renewing the paste.
The purpose of thermal paste is to create a heat conducive bond between the cpu's surface and the heatsink's contact plate. This is not a car engine with moving parts that require oil to be changed regularly. Assuming you used quality paste, such as Arctic Silver 5, you should NEVER need to replace it. Cleaning out dust should be the only maintenance necessary to prevent high temperatures.
I rather expected the small difference, once you put the cooler on you pretty much have a sealed environment in there. It makes a lot more difference to just keep the cooler clean from dust.
Did you take into account the curing time for the new paste? I might have missed that detail in the video. But for arctic silver 5 it takes around 200 hours and multiple heating/cooling cycles. (As stated on the website). It could provide another 3-4 degree difference.
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
If it was dried thermal paste then it's a different story, if replaced with a decent or better paste then you'll definitely see a significant improvement in CPU performance due to that well needed replacement
I applied Arctic Silver in 2007 on a q6600 in 2007, just reapplied a few months ago and it only dropped temps about 2c. Unless you are having heat related issues worrying about thermal paste age is a waist of your worry.
@@Phizev excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
On another note about the stock cooler paste from intel. I installed the stock heatsink and paste in my PC a bit over 6 years ago, but noticed in the last couple of years the temps have been climbing up. Recently with the soaring temps where I live, my CPU idling at 60 degrees C and hitting 99 with merely 50-60% load. Removed the heatsink to take a look and the stock paste was already dried out and crumbly, changed it with one of the cheap cooler masters that I had around and it dropped to under 75 degrees under 100% load.
The newer ryzen 2k came with the wraith fan, but had a glued on type of gooey fabric, i did not test it, not much time to deliver the system, but is it bad?
Long Answer: It depends on the quality of the thermal paste and how hot the item you are using it on gets. Short Answer: When your temps start to rise.
@@natckwan Laptops are known for poor cooling, not exactly a bad thing (as in rare/not common) but it mostly applies to all laptops but 91-95c is pushing it towards the upper limits. Most desktops have larger heat sinks so thermals are generally lower across the board but laptops really have a cap on just how cool they can run. You're more than likely in the thermal throttle range, but once again most laptops are like that just due to their small design.
@@natckwan Yeah, that's not a good thing. I know some gaming laptops sit in the mid 90's while in heavy use but at the same time each chip is different. Universally 101c should be the overheat shutdown to prevent serious damage but it also depends on the chip. Some things are capable of running at mid 90's (while not ideal) but there are some CPU's there mid 90's is very dangerous. As you said tho the laptop will shut off to prevent damage, 90's are the upper limits of acceptable. No silicon likes that temp but some are more capable of handling it than others in the long run.
Also, sorry for the super generic responses. Not trying to be vague, but laptops are known to run very hot. Shutting down due to overheat is bad, but at the same time many laptops sit right near that temp while in heavy use. Some CPU's like an i5 6600 are perfectly capable of running at 70c (in a desktop) with the factory box cooler. They can certainly run cooler with better heatsinks/coolers (mid 40's). Laptops, and desktops have two different acceptable temp ranges. 40c is impossible while in use for a i5 6600 in a laptop. You will never reach temps that low while in use. For desktops a 81c i5 6600 is certainly hot (due to better cooling) but not dangerous on a laptop tho temp would be relatively good. You really shouldn't use desktop temps as a comparison tho with laptops as they will never get that low. Mid 90's is relatively normal for many laptops in heavy use but not a great temp. Just due to the nature of the beast most laptops operate at that temp. High temps are just something you have to accept for almost all laptops (tho some have really good cooling). Shutting down due to hear is a very bad sign tho, it will harm the life expectancy of the device in the long run. All silicon (CPU/GPU) degrade faster at high temps lowering the life expectancy.
I've been strugling with an old HP envy i7 q720 - yes I know its super old. The machine had been out of use for years, but the other day I gave it an SSD, and a new battery, and a fresh win10 installation. The first few days it performed well, and had no issues - but then it started to shut down due to overheating, so i blew out the dust using compressed air, yet no difference, so i decided to take it a bit more apart and really get that dust out - still no change.. (fan spins totally normal, and ramps up when the machine hets up) so the last thing i can think of is to give it some new thermal paste, have any of you guys had any luck with something similar? It sometimes happens when its just idling in windows too.. probably due to updates..
I think you should change your thermal paste when you starting to see between 5 and 10°C increase of temp for a particular load. If the temperature is good, then probably your thermal paste is still good. And for the record, I think results might vary given your humidity % in your room. So might vary from a set up to another.
Personally I use this one on my laptop and desktop, very happy with it: Noctua NT-H1. But if you put a little more money, you will have a slightly better one.
To be honest I was expecting more performance and more cooling out of that 5 year old cpu. One of my desktops is a 2007 Hp with a 8500 Nvidia I would love to change the paste out in but with those spec's why bother right?
Well right now you could buy a new ssd to replace the hdd for cheap now in walmart you can buy an ssd of 240 GB for 31 dollars clean the fan replace the thermal paste and you are good to go, I mean if you want to save it
my 2011 computer had a silicon pad for the NB chip, after 5 year it was so done the chip went in the 90C, i scraped all that ( and as it was a long mobo dissasembly and the HP's were all one unit from VRM to SB i did the SB too ) and now back to 50-55 range. so yea, you're due for a complete cleanup^^ My i7960 still going strong, the rampage 3E, not so much^^
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
from my past experience, i would say u just need to apply the thermal paste once when u remove a heatsink from cpu, cleaning dust deeply is enough for maintain the temperature under 90'C
I dusted and replaced the thermal paste (artic silver 5) on my xbox 360 1 year ago. It ran notoriously hot. With the small form factor it's jammed into, the single fan sounded like a jet engine. Now, it runs cool(er) and quiet, and will last me the few more years until i get through my backlog of 360 only games.
The reason I found this video was that I searched for it. I have a i7-950 that I built in December 2009 as a “really good budget pc” and it recently started rebooting or shutting down. The bios gave me a cpu overheat warning too. But it kept doing it after I did a good dust cleaning on it, so my next thought is the paste. It looks pretty terrible and crumbly on the cpu & heat sink. Maybe it’s the older generation stuff and I really should have changed it at 5 or 6 years in. Thanks for the video.
The reality is that many cases you may have changed the entire cpu as well as the motherboard, and completely upgraded your pc with new components before you have to reapply thermal paste to your old cpu. I know people who had their computers for many years decided to upgrade which us pc enthusiasts are known to do, and they never had to reapply thermal paste or have any real issue with temperatures, because they basically built a new computer before it was necessary.
Well, I change my thermal compound every 6-8 months and clean my PC thoroughly ....... i don't know why but i like to do so ..... And thermal compounds are not that expensive either .... just a few bucks at the most, AS5 is what i am using from last 5-6 years.
The problem is these systems were just sitting around unused. My understand is the primary thing that causes paste to lose performance is usage. Specifically the repeated cycling of the CPU between hot and cold.
FAN PROFILE? It probably doesn't matter too much, but the older system probably gained MORE than recorded since the fan may be spinning higher as well since usually it's a ramp of TEMP vs RPM... so if the temp is higher the fan RPM is also higher so it may be a few degrees higher at the SAME RPM as the fan originally spun at under load.
I had stock thermal paste straight from the factory. Crusty as could be. Replaced it with Arctic Silver, and noticed a zero degree decrease in temperatures. I think the whole re-pasting meme is a bit overdone with the real differences coming from the times when you replace a thermal pad, or just fix up a botched paste job.
Good to know, thanks! Maybe this will help my laptop which gets too hot about 5 minutes after I turn it on! How does the performance of thermal paste compare to CPU thermal conductive pads? I'd like to see a side by side comparison!
Thanks, I'd like to know your thoughts and results... I was thinking something like these: www.amazon.com/dp/B00UYTTMNI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_Ovipzb6EJ5SC6 www.amazon.com/dp/B00E5SMY0W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_LxipzbAWMJ4QX www.amazon.com/dp/B00EQ23OQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_4xipzbBVEPV6Q
I inherited a 7 y/o rig, the paste was dried up (probably arctic silver 5) and running i7 950 with a corsair h80. redid paste with arctic mx-4 and temps went from 100+ to 65 in prime95
I clean my computer every 3 months and reapply thermal paste roughly every 2-3 years. It all depends really if I notice temps creeping up. Replaceing thermal paste is kind of a pain in the butt. Just because in my case I have to remove ram, GPU and some cables to get access to my cooler and bracket.
When i took the heat sink of my cpu in my hp elite 8200 it had hardly any paste on it at ALL and the paste was powder so I am glad i gave it a generous amount of new thermal.
I do a deep clean once a year which includes new paste and lube fans (front fans actually get lubricated every 6 months but whatever) point is, 12 dollars worth of Arctic once a year is nice for peace of mind.
Well for sure if the thermal paste is still good, it won't change much anything because it's still doing it's job(Good to note, thermal paste rarely fail unless it's utterly cheap or if there was too much or not enough of it). If you see a sudden increase with temperature of the CPU then do a clean up, check it back and if is still the same temps. It may just be a good idea to change the thermal paste. There is obviously no point in changing it unless it's failing or if it's the stock thermal paste which can last a while if the one who builded the PC did it's job correctly(for those that bought a pre-made one).
What about fan profiles? I suppose, that temperatures may be so even because of fan profile, not change of thermal coumpound. I just did change my r9 290x thermal paste and i do see a massive improvement in noise, when stock fan profile and around 5-10C on fixed fan speed in game scenario. That said, my question is: did you set stock fan profile, or fixed fan speed? Because if there is stock fan curve profile, then i do believe, that there is a great improvement in at least fan noise, which should be operating on lower speed. Did you notice it? P.S. I see a great ingame improvement after changing my ~3 years old GPU thermal paste to some good quality new one P.S. 2 It may just be because you had some good quality paste from the start :)
I played on a game in PC from us 10 years finally replaced it went to take the cooler off the compound had basically turned into concrete so I know before 10 years lol
One thing to be wary of is that arctic silver 5 needs a few heating and cooling cycles to cure. So Likly over time you might drop about 5 degrees or more
“TIMs have came a long way in the last five years”. Dude, Artic Silver 5 has been around for as long as I can remember, and I started building my own PC’s in 2001. Bottom line is, TIM isn’t a maintenance thing. Leave it alone. Don’t touch it unless your heatsink has been or needs to be disturbed. The idea you need to replace it regularly is a myth.
I need so much help, i have the monitoring program for my pc and nothing is helping. My pc randomly shuts off but ONLY when im playing WoW. And im not too hot or heating up or at even 50% load on my cpu or gpu. NOTHING is spiking there seems to be no reason for it it just shuts off randomly. THe entire pc is under 3 years old. I have a Core i7 8700k GTX 1060 Z370 2 DDR4 Corsair 16GB Ram 500SSD 4TB WD HDD a 1000W Modular PSU NO crash when i log back up not even a warning that it didnt shut down. I am losing it i have no idea what elsxe to do? maybe new thermal paste? Clean it out again maybe? its not hot at all but its been randomly shutting off for almost 9 months
im quite sure that arctic silver 5 need sometime to heal and gives u a better performance ... been hearing this all over YT and other bunch of reviews... on the other hand , i use MX4 just for the heck of it , already changed my ps4 thermal paste and pads, and its still cool and working without any heating problems .. Plus willing to change my stock thermal paste that comes with NZXT X52 .. but still my temps are really low with that aio cooler ...
Not watched the video fully yet. From my experience many people say just don't bother unless you're changing the cooler as you don't realy notice that much of a difference over the years. It will slowly creepy up in temp, but nothing to be concerned about and you'll probably replace the system before you need to replace the thermal paste.
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
Remember, the paste degradates with usage. So if you use the PC for youtube, web searching, etc, it will last a very long time.But if you play the latest games, record and encode videos, etc, you will have to re-apply the paste every few months.
SIX YEAR OLD PC is still great... I have an i7-3770K at 4.4GHz and Noctua NH-D14... I initially tested it at known room temp etc but since Prime95 may have changed (forget which version I had) I can't be 100% accurate... but... I'm probably within 5degC of the original cooling so worst-case is 80degC when it MAY have been worst-case 75degC... so there's just little reason for me to change my paste. (NOISE could be a reason for some but my custom CPU fan profile makes it so I rarely hear the CPU fan at all and under heavy load it is still very quiet) Other: I found out recently that the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO uses different fans depending on I guess availability. That may explain why I found it noisy and others didn't... anyway, I replaced it with a Noctua (?) fan for $20CDN and it was super quiet in my sister's PC (so it cools better too since usually it's a noise vs cooling tradeoff). Changing paste may help, but in some cases maybe just (or also) get a Noctua or similar if you don't need a new CPU cooler but want it slightly cooler and/or quieter: noctua.at/en/which_fan_is_right_for_me THESE are the two fans I use: "In the chromax line, Noctua recommends the pressure-optimised NF-F12 for heatsinks and radiators and the airflow-optimised NF-S12A for case fan usage." I have THREE of the NF-S12A case fans using the LNA (low noise adapter) so they spin at roughly 600RPM 90% of the time and are very quiet.
I wouldn't worry about having stock Thermal Paste on my laptop within 2 to 3 years. If your GPU and CPU idle temps sit below 50c-55c your thermal paste is still good. If you are getting high temps when gaming on max settings, lets say Battlefield 1, (CPU hungry), and you get above 80c temps, but below 50c on idle then its not the stock thermal paste's fault, It's the cooling design of the laptop. You just have to undervolt your CPU/GPU to lower down the temps. Try to search for the ASUS ROG GL702VM, thats the best example of poor cooling solution. Some made modifications on the bottom cover and installed a foil tape on the heatsink gap
your theory "you will probably be upgrading every few years anyway" make a ton of sense for pcs, but for consoles, they're useful life doesn't end when you upgrade. Time for new paste on my switch.
Yea good video... I have seen paste dry out pretty bad and cause overheating but it was 7 - 9 year old paste hah! Stuff was like dried clay and most of it was gone completely! Subbed.
i used to have 30c at my gpu and 50c at my cpu and i just left it like 9 months no use and teh temps are 60c cpu 50 gpu is this the problem i need to rethermal or diffrent?
i have thermal compound pasted for 2 years and temperatures of cpu still 25-32 when in use (CHANGE WHEN your temperatures are getting at like 65 (atleast then youd know its effects are depleting) its not nessecary to change every year let alone every month if its placed on correctly!
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
My friend's old emachines PC was so old and in need (from 2007) had never had the heat sync removed since. when we did it immediately ruined the 10 year old thermal paste and it wouldn't boot because it was overheating on startup.
see the difference is that you arent playing games or doing actually proper hard work on it, i didnt change my thermal paste for 4 years and noticed my temps going up really high. turns out my thermal paste was cracked charred dried poo poo and once i replaced it my pc started working amazingly.
my parents were like the pc is not so quite anymore deleted all the dust and stuff. It has 1 140mm fan intake and a cpu stock cooler intel i5 2320. 98 degrees idle. fans blow 100% everytime. So tomorrow i will fix it for them or just order parts. like 1x 120mm 1x 140mm and other cpu cooler lol my pc myself i7 9700k 2060 16gb ddr4 is a bit better lol.
hmm , my vaio laptop vfc something (i7 740Q , GTX 425M) is from about 2010 and had to change termal paste two or three times , it overheats and shutsdown , if you dont replaced it and not only on the cpu, the gpu too should be considered to replace termal paste
I have a laptop with Intel pentium processor and I did not change thermal paste after 12 years(because I bought a new pc), when I use it at 8 years old, it keep auto restarting because overheating, but at the moment I don't know about thermal paste so I keep get to maintenance, it cost me alot
My pc is 4 years old and Ive never replaced the thermal paste it also needs a good dusting I try to dust it every 6months or so. But recently ive noticed its been running at higher temps and the other day it shut down unexpectedly probably from over heating. Im going to clean out the dust but am unsure about changing the thermal paste should I?
>You'll want to be changing it every two to three years, every year isn't necessary Meanwhile I deep clean my rig and change the thermal paste on my cpu and gpu every three months lmfao. I'm not complaining when it runs cool and quiet and my fans don't have to work as hard to cycle air through the case.
I haven't used my pc for a week, and when I came back home, and turned it on, it just didn't show any display and the CPU cooler started like a jet engine, so I think it's time to change it after 4 years
My current AMD CPU is thermal throttled and doesn't hold 4GHz turbo it has at 100%. (runs @3.77GHz) I wonder how much increase I'll get as I'm cleaning it tomorrow. Including paste.
Best practice is to always replace the paste when you remove a cooler but I have had many CPUs that I have pulled the cooler of and put it back on with no noticeable differences. but always best to replace it
I am watching this because I was in doubt in any gain, and now I still don't know should I repaste or not. It's 7yrs i5 3570k running 4GHz @ 1.15V Tested today and 2 hrs of Prime small FFT reached 81C. No errors. OCCT for 1/2 hr small FFT 83C. During gaming CPU intensive games sometimes reach 75C for short period, and mostly are in 60-65C range. Help me decide, keep in mind I am lazy :) Btw. I was going crazy and tested limits with that same setup and paste, reached 5Ghz, but that was for competition way back when that proc went out, and just for short time. Then I was running it at 4.3 for some time, but I don't remember temps nor voltages. Maybe that affected paste? Really not sure what to do.
Mine laptop was clogged with dirt and running at 102-105 per core, scary, so i took it apart and cleaned it, took the temps down to 98, replaced the paste, massive difference, down to 50... but then 3 months later it was running at high 90s again. Replaced the paste again, back to 50. so i think i used some bad paste the first time?
I have a cpu i5 2500k 8 years old. It was using the original thermal paste that came with the intel stock cooler. Do you think I should change the thermal paste? Thank you.
It sounds like the desktop computer and gaming system were hardly used, which won't give you accurate results. A machine simply lying around for a couple of years will not produce the same results as a system that is constantly in use for years at a time. The constant exposure to heat is what makes the paste get old and dry, not sitting on a shelf. I'd like to see what the difference is for regularly used systems.
I have never in lifetime of cpu ever changed thermal paste in most cases. I can see maybe if you are overclocking and stuff, but regular use? I have never had to with Arctic Silver, Intel or AMD Pre-applied. When cleaning/dusting I rarely have to remove cpu cooler. When CPU cooler is removed obviously you need to clean old and apply new, but I think most people over handle there stuff and it causes other problems. If you have dust caked on so bad you can't just blow it out then maybe you have to dust more often. If you experience heat problems that is different, and you can try cleaning and reapplying but people sound so uptight on youtube and message boards. To each their own though, if it settles your OCD.
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You gotta give props to the creator for giving us the timestamp for the quick answer.
Heck yeah.
"Thank you for not wasting my time" is a sentence that's easily misunderstood as an insult, but I like the intent behind it.
Yup, super sick! Lol wouldn't have know if I didn't catch your comment
When your CPU is 90* when just idle, that's the time to change.
Heavy duty task making fans go crazy is a good time as well.
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You described me lol
me 98 degrees idle lol 7 years old only 1 fan in case oh parents i will fix it for them
Peaked 99° Idle
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2 year old PC.
You've earned my respect for putting a TL;DR time mark, even tho I watched most of the video
Tldr meaning ?
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@@agx111 lmao u don't know how to Google? Srsly?
@@thenicolaichristian no tl;dr
I built a PC 8 years ago with amd Fx4100 cpu and stock cooler, ran it at 4.4 ghz oc. The computer was open everyday and games are played frequently too. I never changed the thermal paste all those years until I renewed it for ryzen 5. Never saw an increase in temps as long as I kept the internals clean. I have a full tower case and I think air ventilation in a case is much more important than renewing the paste.
The purpose of thermal paste is to create a heat conducive bond between the cpu's surface and the heatsink's contact plate. This is not a car engine with moving parts that require oil to be changed regularly. Assuming you used quality paste, such as Arctic Silver 5, you should NEVER need to replace it. Cleaning out dust should be the only maintenance necessary to prevent high temperatures.
Darn! You deserve much more views as the quality for such a small TH-camr is extraordinary .
only minus is the music
I'm going on 5 years or so at the moment. My temps are always really low so I've never worried about it.
I rather expected the small difference, once you put the cooler on you pretty much have a sealed environment in there. It makes a lot more difference to just keep the cooler clean from dust.
Woah....I'm just getting into the whole building pc thing, and honestly I was expecting you to say to change it monthly or something.
nah not really like oil in a car or something in most cases it is fine to leave for some time
@@CPUmodder thanks! this is really helpful to know.
@@CPUmodder thank you bro! Your time stamp save my time and your video answer my question very well!
Did you take into account the curing time for the new paste? I might have missed that detail in the video. But for arctic silver 5 it takes around 200 hours and multiple heating/cooling cycles. (As stated on the website). It could provide another 3-4 degree difference.
interesting, I was not aware of this. i will look into it and post my findings soon
T B a good paste these days do not have burn im time!
So.. any change?
Wait, there's a break in period for thermal pastes?!
Thank you for running the test. Very useful info.
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
If it was dried thermal paste then it's a different story, if replaced with a decent or better paste then you'll definitely see a significant improvement in CPU performance due to that well needed replacement
I applied Arctic Silver in 2007 on a q6600 in 2007, just reapplied a few months ago and it only dropped temps about 2c. Unless you are having heat related issues worrying about thermal paste age is a waist of your worry.
@@Phizev excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
It's worth it to replace the Stock Cooler Paste from Intel etc.
yep, if you got some on hand can be a nice little upgrade
I just bought a Ryzen 7 for 350 plus a cooler for it was another 30, so the 4 bucks for better thermal paste weren't that big of an investment. ^^
On another note about the stock cooler paste from intel. I installed the stock heatsink and paste in my PC a bit over 6 years ago, but noticed in the last couple of years the temps have been climbing up. Recently with the soaring temps where I live, my CPU idling at 60 degrees C and hitting 99 with merely 50-60% load. Removed the heatsink to take a look and the stock paste was already dried out and crumbly, changed it with one of the cheap cooler masters that I had around and it dropped to under 75 degrees under 100% load.
pSyk yep, even pactun pt1 is better
The newer ryzen 2k came with the wraith fan, but had a glued on type of gooey fabric, i did not test it, not much time to deliver the system, but is it bad?
Gold for the TLDR... Never watched any other from your videos, but because of this, u deserve a sub and like. Well done sir!
Long Answer: It depends on the quality of the thermal paste and how hot the item you are using it on gets.
Short Answer: When your temps start to rise.
my laptop going 90-95 degrees celsius.
@@natckwan Laptops are known for poor cooling, not exactly a bad thing (as in rare/not common) but it mostly applies to all laptops but 91-95c is pushing it towards the upper limits.
Most desktops have larger heat sinks so thermals are generally lower across the board but laptops really have a cap on just how cool they can run.
You're more than likely in the thermal throttle range, but once again most laptops are like that just due to their small design.
@@GainingDespair my laptop is just repeatedly shutting down and then get that black screen with text saying it overheated. :(
@@natckwan Yeah, that's not a good thing. I know some gaming laptops sit in the mid 90's while in heavy use but at the same time each chip is different.
Universally 101c should be the overheat shutdown to prevent serious damage but it also depends on the chip. Some things are capable of running at mid 90's (while not ideal) but there are some CPU's there mid 90's is very dangerous.
As you said tho the laptop will shut off to prevent damage, 90's are the upper limits of acceptable. No silicon likes that temp but some are more capable of handling it than others in the long run.
Also, sorry for the super generic responses. Not trying to be vague, but laptops are known to run very hot. Shutting down due to overheat is bad, but at the same time many laptops sit right near that temp while in heavy use.
Some CPU's like an i5 6600 are perfectly capable of running at 70c (in a desktop) with the factory box cooler. They can certainly run cooler with better heatsinks/coolers (mid 40's).
Laptops, and desktops have two different acceptable temp ranges. 40c is impossible while in use for a i5 6600 in a laptop. You will never reach temps that low while in use.
For desktops a 81c i5 6600 is certainly hot (due to better cooling) but not dangerous on a laptop tho temp would be relatively good. You really shouldn't use desktop temps as a comparison tho with laptops as they will never get that low.
Mid 90's is relatively normal for many laptops in heavy use but not a great temp. Just due to the nature of the beast most laptops operate at that temp.
High temps are just something you have to accept for almost all laptops (tho some have really good cooling). Shutting down due to hear is a very bad sign tho, it will harm the life expectancy of the device in the long run.
All silicon (CPU/GPU) degrade faster at high temps lowering the life expectancy.
I change mine when it starts getting too hot LOL :P
Came here to make the exact same remark. Fixed time frame is totally unnecessary.
if its constantly overheating check your fan
I've been strugling with an old HP envy i7 q720 - yes I know its super old. The machine had been out of use for years, but the other day I gave it an SSD, and a new battery, and a fresh win10 installation. The first few days it performed well, and had no issues - but then it started to shut down due to overheating, so i blew out the dust using compressed air, yet no difference, so i decided to take it a bit more apart and really get that dust out - still no change.. (fan spins totally normal, and ramps up when the machine hets up) so the last thing i can think of is to give it some new thermal paste, have any of you guys had any luck with something similar? It sometimes happens when its just idling in windows too.. probably due to updates..
I think you should change your thermal paste when you starting to see between 5 and 10°C increase of temp for a particular load. If the temperature is good, then probably your thermal paste is still good. And for the record, I think results might vary given your humidity % in your room. So might vary from a set up to another.
@gorkman is it the temps for each core? Because if so, it means that it is unevenly spread between the CPU and the heat sink.
Take one of the 5 best, the best priced one for instance, and it will be fine.
Personally I use this one on my laptop and desktop, very happy with it: Noctua NT-H1. But if you put a little more money, you will have a slightly better one.
To be honest I was expecting more performance and more cooling out of that 5 year old cpu. One of my desktops is a 2007 Hp with a 8500 Nvidia I would love to change the paste out in but with those spec's why bother right?
yeah, unless you are really suffering the best thing to do is keep coolers clear of dust and debris
oh ok thankyou.
CPU modder what thermal paste do you recommend me using for an Xbox One?
@@THE-YAYAY just buy a new A10 PC a decent one is something around 100-200 USD now a shit one is like 50 USD.
Well right now you could buy a new ssd to replace the hdd for cheap now in walmart you can buy an ssd of 240 GB for 31 dollars clean the fan replace the thermal paste and you are good to go, I mean if you want to save it
Well my computer was bought in 2008 so I think I should put some new paste on
my 2011 computer had a silicon pad for the NB chip, after 5 year it was so done the chip went in the 90C, i scraped all that ( and as it was a long mobo dissasembly and the HP's were all one unit from VRM to SB i did the SB too ) and now back to 50-55 range. so yea, you're due for a complete cleanup^^ My i7960 still going strong, the rampage 3E, not so much^^
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
from my past experience, i would say u just need to apply the thermal paste once when u remove a heatsink from cpu, cleaning dust deeply is enough for maintain the temperature under 90'C
I dusted and replaced the thermal paste (artic silver 5) on my xbox 360 1 year ago. It ran notoriously hot. With the small form factor it's jammed into, the single fan sounded like a jet engine. Now, it runs cool(er) and quiet, and will last me the few more years until i get through my backlog of 360 only games.
The reason I found this video was that I searched for it. I have a i7-950 that I built in December 2009 as a “really good budget pc” and it recently started rebooting or shutting down. The bios gave me a cpu overheat warning too. But it kept doing it after I did a good dust cleaning on it, so my next thought is the paste. It looks pretty terrible and crumbly on the cpu & heat sink. Maybe it’s the older generation stuff and I really should have changed it at 5 or 6 years in. Thanks for the video.
Did it run better after?
Earned my respect and a like by putting the TLDR timestamp in the description.
The reality is that many cases you may have changed the entire cpu as well as the motherboard, and completely upgraded your pc with new components before you have to reapply thermal paste to your old cpu.
I know people who had their computers for many years decided to upgrade which us pc enthusiasts are known to do, and they never had to reapply thermal paste or have any real issue with temperatures, because they basically built a new computer before it was necessary.
Well, I change my thermal compound every 6-8 months and clean my PC thoroughly ....... i don't know why but i like to do so ..... And thermal compounds are not that expensive either .... just a few bucks at the most, AS5 is what i am using from last 5-6 years.
The problem is these systems were just sitting around unused. My understand is the primary thing that causes paste to lose performance is usage. Specifically the repeated cycling of the CPU between hot and cold.
FAN PROFILE?
It probably doesn't matter too much, but the older system probably gained MORE than recorded since the fan may be spinning higher as well since usually it's a ramp of TEMP vs RPM... so if the temp is higher the fan RPM is also higher so it may be a few degrees higher at the SAME RPM as the fan originally spun at under load.
I had stock thermal paste straight from the factory. Crusty as could be. Replaced it with Arctic Silver, and noticed a zero degree decrease in temperatures. I think the whole re-pasting meme is a bit overdone with the real differences coming from the times when you replace a thermal pad, or just fix up a botched paste job.
Straight answer. Appreciate it, without blah blah blah or advertising
Good to know, thanks! Maybe this will help my laptop which gets too hot about 5 minutes after I turn it on! How does the performance of thermal paste compare to CPU thermal conductive pads? I'd like to see a side by side comparison!
now you mention thermal paste and thermal pads I am super interested..... will have to look into it
Thanks, I'd like to know your thoughts and results... I was thinking something like these:
www.amazon.com/dp/B00UYTTMNI/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_Ovipzb6EJ5SC6
www.amazon.com/dp/B00E5SMY0W/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_LxipzbAWMJ4QX
www.amazon.com/dp/B00EQ23OQA/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_dp_T1_4xipzbBVEPV6Q
I inherited a 7 y/o rig, the paste was dried up (probably arctic silver 5) and running i7 950 with a corsair h80. redid paste with arctic mx-4 and temps went from 100+ to 65 in prime95
I take my PC apart every year to give it a good clean, including replacing thermal compound
Jordan Roberts Same
I have the same thermal past applciation for 4 and a half years and it's still fine.
THE GAMING GURU
Is your pc like 500 years old
the last time i opened up my computer 3 years ago i found spider eggs
I clean my computer every 3 months and reapply thermal paste roughly every 2-3 years. It all depends really if I notice temps creeping up. Replaceing thermal paste is kind of a pain in the butt. Just because in my case I have to remove ram, GPU and some cables to get access to my cooler and bracket.
Today is 10 years from my last paste change, didn't know there is such thing as a ThermalPaste
I'm subscribing for the TLDR. that is awesome, thanks.
Here at TH-cam, there are actually many experiments and measurements related to this topic, much more convincing than talking heads.
When i took the heat sink of my cpu in my hp elite 8200 it had hardly any paste on it at ALL and the paste was powder so I am glad i gave it a generous amount of new thermal.
You are amazing for that time stamp most people would not give a tl;dr time stamp so that they get more watch time
I do a deep clean once a year which includes new paste and lube fans (front fans actually get lubricated every 6 months but whatever) point is, 12 dollars worth of Arctic once a year is nice for peace of mind.
Well for sure if the thermal paste is still good, it won't change much anything because it's still doing it's job(Good to note, thermal paste rarely fail unless it's utterly cheap or if there was too much or not enough of it). If you see a sudden increase with temperature of the CPU then do a clean up, check it back and if is still the same temps. It may just be a good idea to change the thermal paste. There is obviously no point in changing it unless it's failing or if it's the stock thermal paste which can last a while if the one who builded the PC did it's job correctly(for those that bought a pre-made one).
What about fan profiles? I suppose, that temperatures may be so even because of fan profile, not change of thermal coumpound. I just did change my r9 290x thermal paste and i do see a massive improvement in noise, when stock fan profile and around 5-10C on fixed fan speed in game scenario. That said, my question is: did you set stock fan profile, or fixed fan speed? Because if there is stock fan curve profile, then i do believe, that there is a great improvement in at least fan noise, which should be operating on lower speed. Did you notice it?
P.S.
I see a great ingame improvement after changing my ~3 years old GPU thermal paste to some good quality new one
P.S. 2
It may just be because you had some good quality paste from the start :)
I haven't change my 6 year old pc therman paste and still running like a champ
I still didn’t change it after 6 years
Fine video. Also don't forget to secure your expansion cards to the case with screws.
It is not neccesary, only when you remove the heatsink. My server runs for over 10 years and I newer changed it, the temperature is the same.
The conclusion that I have gotten: Don't replace it if you will not have to wash the heat sink!
I played on a game in PC from us 10 years finally replaced it went to take the cooler off the compound had basically turned into concrete so I know before 10 years lol
One thing to be wary of is that arctic silver 5 needs a few heating and cooling cycles to cure. So Likly over time you might drop about 5 degrees or more
this is true. I just cleaned the laptop fan , and temperature dropped by 20 Cel.
Change therma paste or just clean fan?
@@18PregnantAndProud Just fan.
“TIMs have came a long way in the last five years”.
Dude, Artic Silver 5 has been around for as long as I can remember, and I started building my own PC’s in 2001.
Bottom line is, TIM isn’t a maintenance thing. Leave it alone. Don’t touch it unless your heatsink has been or needs to be disturbed. The idea you need to replace it regularly is a myth.
I need so much help, i have the monitoring program for my pc and nothing is helping. My pc randomly shuts off but ONLY when im playing WoW. And im not too hot or heating up or at even 50% load on my cpu or gpu. NOTHING is spiking there seems to be no reason for it it just shuts off randomly. THe entire pc is under 3 years old.
I have a Core i7 8700k
GTX 1060
Z370
2 DDR4 Corsair 16GB Ram
500SSD
4TB WD HDD
a 1000W Modular PSU
NO crash when i log back up not even a warning that it didnt shut down.
I am losing it i have no idea what elsxe to do? maybe new thermal paste?
Clean it out again maybe? its not hot at all but its been randomly shutting off for almost 9 months
im quite sure that arctic silver 5 need sometime to heal and gives u a better performance ... been hearing this all over YT and other bunch of reviews...
on the other hand , i use MX4 just for the heck of it , already changed my ps4 thermal paste and pads, and its still cool and working without any heating problems .. Plus willing to change my stock thermal paste that comes with NZXT X52 .. but still my temps are really low with that aio cooler ...
artic mx4 rules I use it on everything with a heat sink and my asus router
Not watched the video fully yet. From my experience many people say just don't bother unless you're changing the cooler as you don't realy notice that much of a difference over the years. It will slowly creepy up in temp, but nothing to be concerned about and you'll probably replace the system before you need to replace the thermal paste.
Depends what paste ur using ;-) Ceramique 2 is my top1 paste. It last for about 1000000 years :D
true it does depend on what you are using
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
Do you have to change the thermal paste on a prebuilt?
Remember, the paste degradates with usage. So if you use the PC for youtube, web searching, etc, it will last a very long time.But if you play the latest games, record and encode videos, etc, you will have to re-apply the paste every few months.
SIX YEAR OLD PC is still great... I have an i7-3770K at 4.4GHz and Noctua NH-D14... I initially tested it at known room temp etc but since Prime95 may have changed (forget which version I had) I can't be 100% accurate... but...
I'm probably within 5degC of the original cooling so worst-case is 80degC when it MAY have been worst-case 75degC... so there's just little reason for me to change my paste.
(NOISE could be a reason for some but my custom CPU fan profile makes it so I rarely hear the CPU fan at all and under heavy load it is still very quiet)
Other:
I found out recently that the Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO uses different fans depending on I guess availability. That may explain why I found it noisy and others didn't... anyway, I replaced it with a Noctua (?) fan for $20CDN and it was super quiet in my sister's PC (so it cools better too since usually it's a noise vs cooling tradeoff).
Changing paste may help, but in some cases maybe just (or also) get a Noctua or similar if you don't need a new CPU cooler but want it slightly cooler and/or quieter:
noctua.at/en/which_fan_is_right_for_me
THESE are the two fans I use:
"In the chromax line, Noctua recommends the pressure-optimised NF-F12 for heatsinks and radiators and the airflow-optimised NF-S12A for case fan usage."
I have THREE of the NF-S12A case fans using the LNA (low noise adapter) so they spin at roughly 600RPM 90% of the time and are very quiet.
So Arctic Silver can last 5 years!! Good to hear that on thermal compound!!
I wouldn't worry about having stock Thermal Paste on my laptop within 2 to 3 years. If your GPU and CPU idle temps sit below 50c-55c your thermal paste is still good. If you are getting high temps when gaming on max settings, lets say Battlefield 1, (CPU hungry), and you get above 80c temps, but below 50c on idle then its not the stock thermal paste's fault, It's the cooling design of the laptop. You just have to undervolt your CPU/GPU to lower down the temps. Try to search for the ASUS ROG GL702VM, thats the best example of poor cooling solution. Some made modifications on the bottom cover and installed a foil tape on the heatsink gap
I usually replace thermal paste on laptop after 'round 4 years and PC is 3 years since PC have more dust thanks to the large case!
your theory "you will probably be upgrading every few years anyway" make a ton of sense for pcs, but for consoles, they're useful life doesn't end when you upgrade. Time for new paste on my switch.
Yea good video... I have seen paste dry out pretty bad and cause overheating but it was 7 - 9 year old paste hah! Stuff was like dried clay and most of it was gone completely! Subbed.
mine also 8 years old paste, since it changed my laptop turn out to be much lighter than before, i feel so comfortable
Answer: Every 2-3 years
5-minute video for one simple question
he did put in a timestamp though...
Dude you are good at this you should upload more
I havn't done it, since I got my laptop, which is over 9 years now..., that's why it's getting so hot!
I guarantee it's because of so much dust, and not the TIM causing the high temps. Please report back here whatever you find.
When you need a VIDEO 5 and a half minute to answer a question, yet answering it irl might take 5 hours.
i used to have 30c at my gpu and 50c at my cpu and i just left it like 9 months no use and teh temps are 60c cpu 50 gpu is this the problem i need to rethermal or diffrent?
i have thermal compound pasted for 2 years and temperatures of cpu still 25-32 when in use (CHANGE WHEN your temperatures are getting at like 65 (atleast then youd know its effects are depleting) its not nessecary to change every year let alone every month if its placed on correctly!
excuse me sir,if PC i5 3570 thermal paste Artic silver MX often use for editing video every day but only 2 hours one day and temp 75c at 100% cpu usage will it thermal paste wil quickly dried in 6 month example instead only for gaming can stand 1 years ? and IF cpu it i7 3770 will it quickly dried than i5 cpu? and same time for editing video?
My friend's old emachines PC was so old and in need (from 2007) had never had the heat sync removed since. when we did it immediately ruined the 10 year old thermal paste and it wouldn't boot because it was overheating on startup.
Does thermal paste affects fps while gaming?
5:37 is how long it took this guy to answer with "YES"
see the difference is that you arent playing games or doing actually proper hard work on it, i didnt change my thermal paste for 4 years and noticed my temps going up really high. turns out my thermal paste was cracked charred dried poo poo and once i replaced it my pc started working amazingly.
Just had an “O shit you need to change that???” Moment...
Haven’t touched my thermal paste since 2012
my parents were like the pc is not so quite anymore deleted all the dust and stuff. It has 1 140mm fan intake and a cpu stock cooler intel i5 2320. 98 degrees idle. fans blow 100% everytime. So tomorrow i will fix it for them or just order parts. like 1x 120mm 1x 140mm and other cpu cooler lol my pc myself i7 9700k 2060 16gb ddr4 is a bit better lol.
btw pc is 6/7 years old
Clean video, right to the point. Good shit
Do you get termalpaste with cpu ordered? I will build a pc the first time thats why i am asking 😓
Yes, it will be included with the cpu fan
hmm , my vaio laptop vfc something (i7 740Q , GTX 425M) is from about 2010 and had to change termal paste two or three times , it overheats and shutsdown , if you dont replaced it and not only on the cpu, the gpu too should be considered to replace termal paste
Good to know had my PC for about two years and wasn't sure how it really works
I have a laptop with Intel pentium processor and I did not change thermal paste after 12 years(because I bought a new pc), when I use it at 8 years old, it keep auto restarting because overheating, but at the moment I don't know about thermal paste so I keep get to maintenance, it cost me alot
My pc is 4 years old and Ive never replaced the thermal paste it also needs a good dusting I try to dust it every 6months or so. But recently ive noticed its been running at higher temps and the other day it shut down unexpectedly probably from over heating. Im going to clean out the dust but am unsure about changing the thermal paste should I?
>You'll want to be changing it every two to three years, every year isn't necessary
Meanwhile I deep clean my rig and change the thermal paste on my cpu and gpu every three months lmfao. I'm not complaining when it runs cool and quiet and my fans don't have to work as hard to cycle air through the case.
That TLDR man
I love it no time wasted 👍
when i play games, my gpus temp is in the 80s C, is that really bad? cuz my frames will be fine but it still lags really bad(frame wise)
if it gets into the high 80's and 90's it might be a problem.
Yes you need to change.
The average temp for Heavy Use/Gaming use is 60-70c
Depends on gpu, but you should be fine if you won't get over 90 degrees
Awesome video, thank you!
Is thermal paste meant to stay soft or is it meant to harden up?
I haven't used my pc for a week, and when I came back home, and turned it on, it just didn't show any display and the CPU cooler started like a jet engine, so I think it's time to change it after 4 years
My current AMD CPU is thermal throttled and doesn't hold 4GHz turbo it has at 100%. (runs @3.77GHz) I wonder how much increase I'll get as I'm cleaning it tomorrow. Including paste.
new channel new potential
I have a Dell optiplex I need to replace the motherboard, do I have to redo the thermal paste or will it not really matter?
Best practice is to always replace the paste when you remove a cooler but I have had many CPUs that I have pulled the cooler of and put it back on with no noticeable differences. but always best to replace it
my i7-2600k not overclocked is around 41C when watching youtube and such, but can go up to 70s when gaming, its fine right?
Yup mine too even 90 degrees
My cpu is 70° should i get thermal paste?
I am watching this because I was in doubt in any gain, and now I still don't know should I repaste or not. It's 7yrs i5 3570k running 4GHz @ 1.15V Tested today and 2 hrs of Prime small FFT reached 81C. No errors. OCCT for 1/2 hr small FFT 83C. During gaming CPU intensive games sometimes reach 75C for short period, and mostly are in 60-65C range.
Help me decide, keep in mind I am lazy :)
Btw. I was going crazy and tested limits with that same setup and paste, reached 5Ghz, but that was for competition way back when that proc went out, and just for short time. Then I was running it at 4.3 for some time, but I don't remember temps nor voltages. Maybe that affected paste? Really not sure what to do.
Sonja Brajkina I would reapply paste
Looks at my parent's 10 year old PC, which has never had it's thermal paste changed.
Mine laptop was clogged with dirt and running at 102-105 per core, scary, so i took it apart and cleaned it, took the temps down to 98, replaced the paste, massive difference, down to 50... but then 3 months later it was running at high 90s again. Replaced the paste again, back to 50. so i think i used some bad paste the first time?
that might have been the case
I have a cpu i5 2500k 8 years old. It was using the original thermal paste that came with the intel stock cooler. Do you think I should change the thermal paste? Thank you.
It sounds like the desktop computer and gaming system were hardly used, which won't give you accurate results. A machine simply lying around for a couple of years will not produce the same results as a system that is constantly in use for years at a time. The constant exposure to heat is what makes the paste get old and dry, not sitting on a shelf. I'd like to see what the difference is for regularly used systems.
wen you see your cpu idle temp 83 you know you got to clean it lolz and maybe some thermal paste 0-0
I have never in lifetime of cpu ever changed thermal paste in most cases.
I can see maybe if you are overclocking and stuff, but regular use? I have never had to with Arctic Silver, Intel or AMD Pre-applied.
When cleaning/dusting I rarely have to remove cpu cooler.
When CPU cooler is removed obviously you need to clean old and apply new, but I think most people over handle there stuff and it causes other problems.
If you have dust caked on so bad you can't just blow it out then maybe you have to dust more often.
If you experience heat problems that is different, and you can try cleaning and reapplying but people sound so uptight on youtube and message boards. To each their own though, if it settles your OCD.
I don’t understand how long should I change it