On my Begode Extreme, I had a similar issue with limited air shock travel. Like you, I tested it with an empty shock to confirm full travel, but I still didn’t get it. Later, I figured out that the shock was overfilled with oil. Over time, I eventually achieved the full travel of the shock. I’m wondering if that could be your issue as well. If so, it might be a simple fix! You could try putting all your weight on the shock with no air pressure in it and then push on the valve to release whatever’s stopping it-whether air or oil. Just be aware it might get messy. Funny enough, the shock that was overfilled with oil actually lasted over 3,500 km on my Extreme, so who knows-maybe you’ll get the one bulletproof shock like I did! It’s definitely worth checking before waiting for parts unnecessarily. Hope this helps!
I’m waiting for the aftermarket adapter that would fit a FastAce-style hydraulic shock instead of a simple spring loaded stanchion. Kudos to Jack for designing a clear opportunity for aftermarket modifications. ❤
Did you see where the shock gets removed from the linkage and then the linkage travels thru the full range? I’m not totally sure what’s limiting travel now but it seems to be the shock itself.
@@trubttamits often that shocks have bump stops internal and are oil filled. On begode they have alot of oil in the shock. Oil is not able to be compressed And its not a forklift. Oil will blow out the seals while range limits are exceeded. From my last calculations the shock needs to move a range of 63.25mm to reach apex frame extension.
Oof. Wonder if a different shock would have the same issue or if it's something inherent to the linkage geometry. As for firmware, have you updated yours to the latest version? When I updated our prototype it completely got rid of the weird behavior when pivoting and berm riding. Might also just need calibration.
It came with .06 but yeah still does some weird stuff. Was hoping it would just be calibrated well out of the box to eliminate my calibration as a variable.
I couldn't see it on the video, but is there any kind of rubber gromet or silicone in the slots where the wires to the lights enter the top housing? Asking because in the nosfet video about their slider replacement, you can see the big holes where the wires enter the housing to the motherboard and there are nothing to prevent water from entering there. Same with the rubber gaskets on the top of the battery packs, that don't seem to be attached to the battery boxes at all when you take the wheel apart.
@@JonahOnEUC This construction is very similar to the patton’s with a top gasket of the battery being held on by being sandwiched alone. I have had no water ingress issues on either Patton or apex. The side housings which the light cables enter is separate from the controller housing, which is sealed around the cables. However, the side housings aren’t completely watertight which is probably why it gets an IP water rating of 6 instead of 7. Good enough to protect against high pressure jets of water, not good enough for submersion.
If the stanchion tube is greased &or greasy, then wont dust & dirt stick on it & mess up the seal? Afterall this is claimed for off-road ie.dirt. Regardless, I get its a new model from a new company so hope they iron everything out. Will eagerly await your direct comparo of this Apex vs Xway
When I injected a bunch of lube into the stanchion holder part (silver part sealed on both ends) the tube stayed wet and the lube stayed in/is continuing to stay in for over 300km. Obviously we don’t have the same fine and dry dusty conditions Matt faces, but it’s been holding up and staying smooth so far, even with mud and road gunk getting on the shaft.
New Lynx FW out. (After some effort from myself and others.) Meant to fix pedal issues, as Nosfet have allegedly done. I'm away for the weekend. Will check it out next week.
Have you gone down the spec list and verified what you can. As for shock and travel have you measured the top out to bottom out distances on the shock and the stantions? While i doubt it they may have changed the shock/stantion length so the expected bottom out point is not the actual designed point at full travel.
I’m a bit hesitant to do that, if you’ve been following along from the demo version videos the first air shock got stuck all the way down. I don’t want to accidentally make that happen by messing with the shock a bunch, I’d be SOL if my personal shock gets stuck.
What is Nosfet just outsourced the suspension parts from FastAce like veteran has. I know you can buy FastAce suspension stanchions from 58lb , 62lb, 66lb and 70lb from Fastace themselves and some ppl have biughten the 58 lb. Versions for the Lynx. If Jack from Nosfet found or finds a way to just use FastAce suspension but keep the proce fo the wheel the same then we all win
On my Begode Extreme, I had a similar issue with limited air shock travel. Like you, I tested it with an empty shock to confirm full travel, but I still didn’t get it. Later, I figured out that the shock was overfilled with oil. Over time, I eventually achieved the full travel of the shock.
I’m wondering if that could be your issue as well. If so, it might be a simple fix! You could try putting all your weight on the shock with no air pressure in it and then push on the valve to release whatever’s stopping it-whether air or oil. Just be aware it might get messy.
Funny enough, the shock that was overfilled with oil actually lasted over 3,500 km on my Extreme, so who knows-maybe you’ll get the one bulletproof shock like I did! It’s definitely worth checking before waiting for parts unnecessarily. Hope this helps!
I’m waiting for the aftermarket adapter that would fit a FastAce-style hydraulic shock instead of a simple spring loaded stanchion. Kudos to Jack for designing a clear opportunity for aftermarket modifications. ❤
They have that already, it's called a Lynx.
that completely defeats the purpose of this wheel.... its just a lynx then....
No it isn't. Honestly I still think with FastAce suspension...which you can buy separately, it'd still be its own wheel. @@sirv7937
Good attention to detail.
Seems like this could be addressed with a new linkage, perhaps? One which has a geometry that addresses the shock travel issue.
Did you see where the shock gets removed from the linkage and then the linkage travels thru the full range? I’m not totally sure what’s limiting travel now but it seems to be the shock itself.
@@trubttamits often that shocks have bump stops internal and are oil filled.
On begode they have alot of oil in the shock. Oil is not able to be compressed And its not a forklift. Oil will blow out the seals while range limits are exceeded.
From my last calculations the shock needs to move a range of 63.25mm to reach apex frame extension.
@ yeah the bump stops in these types of air shocks are typically only like 2mm, this shock seems to be getting stopped at like 20mm
Maybe Jack should include you on the team
They require you to only ride Nosfet wheels. Im happy with my current support from EUCUngerground
Oof. Wonder if a different shock would have the same issue or if it's something inherent to the linkage geometry.
As for firmware, have you updated yours to the latest version? When I updated our prototype it completely got rid of the weird behavior when pivoting and berm riding. Might also just need calibration.
It came with .06 but yeah still does some weird stuff. Was hoping it would just be calibrated well out of the box to eliminate my calibration as a variable.
I don’t think it’s the linkage geometry because when I removed the shock it travels properly
@@trubttam This is good to know. I have a shock sitting here waiting =D
@@trubttamI never trust a wheel to be well calibrated out of the box and in a lot of cases when QCing wheels for eevee’s, re calibration is needed.
There's probably a bottom out bumper in the shock. Let the air out, unscrew the sleeve and have a look.
This
Hopefully Ver 2 will have improvements🤣
I couldn't see it on the video, but is there any kind of rubber gromet or silicone in the slots where the wires to the lights enter the top housing? Asking because in the nosfet video about their slider replacement, you can see the big holes where the wires enter the housing to the motherboard and there are nothing to prevent water from entering there.
Same with the rubber gaskets on the top of the battery packs, that don't seem to be attached to the battery boxes at all when you take the wheel apart.
@@JonahOnEUC This construction is very similar to the patton’s with a top gasket of the battery being held on by being sandwiched alone. I have had no water ingress issues on either Patton or apex.
The side housings which the light cables enter is separate from the controller housing, which is sealed around the cables.
However, the side housings aren’t completely watertight which is probably why it gets an IP water rating of 6 instead of 7.
Good enough to protect against high pressure jets of water, not good enough for submersion.
I’m confused more after watching the vid 😅. I like the looks of the build quality though 😅
If the stanchion tube is greased &or greasy, then wont dust & dirt stick on it & mess up the seal? Afterall this is claimed for off-road ie.dirt. Regardless, I get its a new model from a new company so hope they iron everything out. Will eagerly await your direct comparo of this Apex vs Xway
When I injected a bunch of lube into the stanchion holder part (silver part sealed on both ends) the tube stayed wet and the lube stayed in/is continuing to stay in for over 300km. Obviously we don’t have the same fine and dry dusty conditions Matt faces, but it’s been holding up and staying smooth so far, even with mud and road gunk getting on the shaft.
New Lynx FW out. (After some effort from myself and others.) Meant to fix pedal issues, as Nosfet have allegedly done. I'm away for the weekend. Will check it out next week.
Heck yeah
Have you gone down the spec list and verified what you can. As for shock and travel have you measured the top out to bottom out distances on the shock and the stantions? While i doubt it they may have changed the shock/stantion length so the expected bottom out point is not the actual designed point at full travel.
Yessir number 11!
Did you try compressing the shock to see if it is travel limited internally somehow?
I’m a bit hesitant to do that, if you’ve been following along from the demo version videos the first air shock got stuck all the way down. I don’t want to accidentally make that happen by messing with the shock a bunch, I’d be SOL if my personal shock gets stuck.
@@trubttam" warranty " no??
Everyone knows how gentle you are on wheels.
I bet that air shock doesn't survive 500 miles anyways
Why?
30 mm is a lott
What is Nosfet just outsourced the suspension parts from FastAce like veteran has. I know you can buy FastAce suspension stanchions from 58lb , 62lb, 66lb and 70lb from Fastace themselves and some ppl have biughten the 58 lb. Versions for the Lynx.
If Jack from Nosfet found or finds a way to just use FastAce suspension but keep the proce fo the wheel the same then we all win