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Sounds like you have some faith in the APEX, me too. Do you think you'll be milling/fabricating a solution to the stop-block issue? We're all better off if this upstart succeeds.

Man this trail system looks so fun especially since all the trails near me are full of snow. I need to make a trip to moab this winter and find me some dry trails

When are you getting your Xway? Can't wait to see you put it though the paces!

Genuine discussion- Great work Brother. Cheers

Sounds like a stroke issue, perhaps available piston shafts are not long enough for the travel on the rails ? What is the conflict with the suspension that the shock stroke is a topic ? Interesting observation about motorcycle manufacture operational maintenance. MTBF. There is no doubt the application of using a wheel has expanded to trail use, which means a different kind of design. I'm sensing the a fallacy "heavy duty" wheel. When really we are talking about reconsidering the technical aspects an "offroad" bike or wheel must have. It's not just shocks on a bike, there are all kinds of design differences from something intended for road use. From the outside, it appears like an exploration of the faster suspension wheels are being pushed into a trail environment they weren't designed for. Someone needs to go talk to Fox and KTM, get a purpose built wheel worked out. Reverse engineering is fun. I'm curious on this pursuit.

Current US tariffs on Electronics from China are at 25% (officially). The rate is likely to increase soon (with new administration) to 100%! Soon! For a wheel like the Apex, this will mean a retail price increase of over $1k if profit margins are maintained. You can get a V1 and spend that $1k on future upgrades not covered by the warranty, or you can buy a v2, lose ~$1k to Uncle Sam and have a substantially similar wheel at a higher price. Now, I’m the last person to advocate buying ANY new wheel, and especially not a first batch from a new manufacturer BUT, if I were planning on waiting and buying the v2 anyway, I’d probably be assessing whether to save the time and money by buying it now rather than waiting for the fixes that will eventually be standard, if those issues can be addressed in the future with component upgrades, etc. If my time was worth more than the money, I’d pull the trigger sooner rather than later. Basically, you’re looking at a $1000 discount on v1 versus the v2… does that make the decision less difficult? For me, I’m waiting at least 2,years before looking for a used a Apex wheel that someone else has already worked out the details for about $1600-$2k if I’m lucky. {That said, I was waiting for the S22pro to drop to $1.2k-$1.6k before buying and even when I came across an S22pro for $800 in good condition… I still had to reject it because KS effectively abandoned its customers by only doing the minimum improvements necessary rather than redesign the controller and suspension to make it worthwhile in terms of maintenance costs and intervals. Sadly, the long-term value of the s22pro is closer to $500 used because you’re going to need at least 3 of them to ensure parts availability, even if my labor is free. I recently got the SS v1 with ~$600 in upgrades for about $2.5k, saving me about $2k in exchange for a year’s delay. Used wheels are just a better value than new, if patience is possible. 😊

I am really looking forward to Delivery Day for the Apex. Like you, I am currently on a Lynx. I have put nearly 5000 miles (7500KM) on the Lynx in 11 months, and it is an awesome ultra low maintenance wheel. My first wheel was the Patton. The Patton suspension is soft for a guy my size, in fact I can bottom it out at will just by preloading the shock with my legs. The 66lb Patton is also way slower to rebound than my 70lb Lynx. When I am at the jump park it is easier for me to time out the compression of the Patton to pump and jump; therefore, I actually get bigger airs on the Patton than I do on the Lynx; however, landings on the Lynx are far nicer than on the Patton. I am hoping the Apex will give me the best of both worlds with the pump to jump, and the landings. Like you I also have a garage full of mountain and dirt bikes I don't ride anymore. Like you I also have a Sk8 board collection, in fact once upon a time I owned one of the largest Sk8 parks in the USA.

Does anyone know what his chest protector is? I saw the Leatt logo, but I can't figure the model. I'm looking for something with shoulder protection as well and this looks like it's the one!

Hope this vid makes the rounds, because it really covers some important details. The point of those preproduction wheels is to discover and fix the issues that arise. There's a lot of keyboard yelling out there, but on the bright side, that should make nosfet more keen on fixing the details

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Very honest, man! thumbs up

Finally someone talking how the experience actually was for the master. They hated the s22 for some reason although it had as many problems as the s22

Love ur vids man! Don't catch then all but u have a good vibe that I can appreciate.

If they're stating a specific travel, then that's what it should travel, no excuses. In this day and age of new wheels , there should be no firmware issues, if there is, that means they didn't test it enough or their main test rider should be fired. I have only 1k km on my Master V3, some bike paths but mostly lite trails. Other than checking screws once, no maintenance. Im passing on this one for sure version 1 Cheers

We’re all grateful to have you in the euc community. Your knowledge and experience helps us a lot and helping to improve these EUC products better. Great video!

you are a great asset to the euc community. You analyze things in detail and understand things - you are a technical type, your assessment is not only about feelings. I'm curious how your channel will grow. Thank you for testing Apex on your difficult offroad tracks, it helped me a lot.

They maybe feeling rushed because they simply put themselves in this position.

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Great video, i have mapped out the geometry now and how all the different shocks lengths with fit and with what teeth alignments that paticual shock length should align to. I believe there is alot of confusion about the geared teeth position alignment and where it should match with different lengths shocks. Hopefully the geometry mapping i have done will help understand this. I agree a air shock will absolute feel softer than the coil especially considering the ratio is from 5.0 to 1.7. I don't recall what the specs of your shock are. aligning your airshock to a 5.0 ratio with sag will be a impossible task. hence the high PSI. I mapped out and believe the best option is a 240DNM rcp2s @ 550lbs in geared teeth position 5&6 The seized sliders is sad, see how this evolves.

It's great to hear your thoughts as you're riding and experiencing the 'problems'. I wish I had your riding skills. Keep up the good work. Looking forward to the next one 👍

Why isn’t the barrel of the stanchion just filled with oil? You don’t have to lube the stanchion of the lynx, and the oil doesn’t leak out. Drill a hole in the top and bottom of the barrel of the stanchion, thread the hole, and put a plug in it. Filling from the top drain from the bottom seems pretty straightforward. Then, you will not be worrying about lubing anything. Just change the oil now and then.

Sounds like they designed the suspension backwards, usually you would find an OTS shock and design your suspension around it. This seems to have been over engineered on the simplest levels and forgot to think about real world implementation. Like they say things may looks good on paper but may bot perform the same.

An actual TH-camr that has useful information.

I love the ending, "I'm tired of working on this thing" 🙂 Thanks for your help Matt 👍

Consider gluing a ‘bullseye level’ to top for consistent calibration. This won’t help the firmware insufficiencies but may make field calibration easier.

Great video man, it's very interesting. I ride the begode extreme. It's my first wheel. Would you take the begode ds200 damper or from beidhou the linkage and the same damper like the s22! I'm not sure, but you know what you talk about and you rode the extreme wuth the ds200! My next wheel would be a leaperkim but the pedals what they do is weird as f!

might be that the spring rate is too high for your weight with the coil shock, that would definitely make it seem harsher vs the air shock. High preload also absolutely kills small bump sensitivity. Ideally you want no preload at all.

We've had sealed oil filled motorcycle forks for over 50 years now. No reason that same design can't be used, won't be touching a new wheel till that happens.

If they are going to go with a wet system, they really need a better dust seal. If they can't get it to seal right, all that lube is just going to collect dust and turn into muck.

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Here's what I think part of the problem might be: Since there's no oil in the sliders, the seals will eventually displace the lubricant on the tubes and push it away from the places where they slide. In a fork suspension like the lynx since the stanchions are filled with oil the seals always have a minimum of lubrication, whereas on the apex they might quickly run dry. Soft rubber seals (assuming that's what the sliders use) without some form of constant oil lubrication are just doomed to suck in terms of stiction I think... I have an S18 which unfortunately suffers from the same slider stiction problems. I've done a bunch of mods and tried everything to seal and lube the tubes properly (since the default dust boots don't do much) and I've been running into the same issues with lubricants only being effective for a short while. Next thing I'm trying is low friction seals made out of a harder plastic/rubber along with 0 lube or some dry graphite lubricant. At least the apex has way better tolerances, so it might be possible to sort the stiction out. Hope you or the design team can figure something out!

Thank you for the video! Awesome riding and rambling as always, better get those zippers zipped!

So, there's an issue with pedal behaviour, the stock air shock failed pretty quick, they just changed the size of the coil shock, the stanchions have to be serviced constantly cause they're not sealed, and now there's some resonance problem after a few rides. Oh, and there's still concerns re the suspension adjustment mechanism, and it's gotta be checked constantly to make sure it hasn't come loose. Or people can just keep their Lynxes.

We want this more than a second onewheel, but the price 😭

Hey Matt, first thanks again for the amazing video, important question. what is your final opinion, Is it better to buy the Lynx for heavy offroad, jumps and trails or try the Nosfet Apex?

Great video! What is your mic setup with your insta360? Having trouble finding a way to mount my DJI Mic 2 so that it's not all heavy breathing off-road lol

">We already got a Lynx at home. >The Lynx at home" sums it up pretty nice. Good effort but better luck next time Jack

This seems like more headache than I would expect hopefully other peoples experiences are better than what you're having. If all people end up having the same problems you're having it's not gonna go well.

thanks. great video!

Try a Push 11 - 6 on that thing. 😂. I put it on my electric mountain bike and it is an absolute dream as compared to the other five shocks I tried before that. And it has two completely separate compression and rebound settings all with a flip of a switch. It's super nice because when you're riding on the road you just firm it up and then with a flip of the switch you soften it up for riding off-road.

I'm amazed how you can talk about a subject while riding on a offroad track with a EUC and also caring for the camera stick at the same time. While I'm riding I just can focus on where to put the wheel so that its less likely to fall off.

Liked and subbed, I can think this is going to be a great upgrade to my S22. Looks like a awesome wheel. I must say its so nice to see dry trails and some awesom flow.

That is some crazy footage. Some of those sections I would be hesitant to cross them on foot for fear of breaking my ankle

Thank you for the awesome video!!! Your channel deserves 1 million subs bro! Amazing riding as always!

Dang thats some epic air!!

This is Fire- Cheers Olympia WA

Dude, that downhill run was INSANE. How many times have you done that one on a EUC. My adrenaline went up just from watching 😮 Im riding original Sherman, would never go over those stony jumps, id break my back 😂

Amazing broo!!!

For my electric mountain bike I spent $1400 on my Push 11 six coil shock and it is amazing. When I get my winter bonus I'm gonna try it on my V 14.

Did you mount a different shock?