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Need more explanations pls but thanks for the video!!

42:09 self destructive wheel 😆

Clear as mud. We really need an in depth discussion about what these settings are intended to do versus how the wheel actually behaves.

My first thought is maybe its the acceleration assist. Turning seems to make the wheel need to spin faster. Im no expert by any means.

my v14 does this. idk about when not riding but definitely when I go around a corner toes dop a bit very odd feeling but I feel it so often I may have gotten used to it lol

heard cra 100 kinda fucks with the braking, i didnt update yet cause im lazy about re learning settings XD

Yay! What does 50% do?

Is it just me or is one side close to flat and the other side toe high with this setting at 100? Maybe it’s the camera angle.

Cra 100 makes the wheel dip when accelerating or braking tho, with 0 i feel no dipping, strange.

Is this a present from lk? 😆

Dode... that's so right. That's always pissing me off on series of jumps with Lynx and Sherman-S (i have both). I have also S22 Pro - that never happens on on KS firmware, it's just not enough powerwise though. 😮‍💨😮‍💨

Yep i got the update first day, set it to 100 and its be great

Got there eventually. Hussah!! Actually, it needs a trail test to confirm there's no residual tomf*ckery.

If only they had good construction manuals. 😉

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It looks like the wheel losing sense of direction 😂 maybe the Gyro thinks the rear is the front and the front is the rear when you whop it around.

Brilliant. Especially the ending. 😃 You guys are amazing. Kudos.

Good video. Problem well displayed. Here's hoping they fix this. Not as hardcore as you on trails, but it's bothered me too

"Scratches are part of the design, according to Jack" 🤣

On my Lynx the same thing happens when the "CrA Lu" setting is 0, however with this set to 100% the angle doesn't self-adjust any more it stays the same when rotating the wheel. Is this setting present in the latest APEX firmware?

Seems to me that a coil shock is a better fit for the APEX compared to an air shock. The linkage on the APEX is already progressive, so with an air shock you're going to have a progressive spring on top of a progressive linkage, no wonder the shock feels "dead" at top of the stroke on the highest setting, where it has the highest linkage ratio.

I think it may have to do with then adding more teeth to the travel adjustment lock blocks. They went from 5 to 7 teeth I feel like this may have taken away one more tooth of adjustment from the top and bottom. Although the extra teeth on there is good for strength.

I really appreciate your opinions and insights. I think it’s crucial for us as a community to hold wheel manufacturers to higher standards and accountability. These companies need to ensure their wheels perform as advertised and are reliable right out of the box, without riders having to fix issues that should have been addressed during production. I completely agree with your point about lubrication in the stanchion barrels. It’s ridiculous that manufacturers can design an entire EUC and fail to provide clear recommendations for the type of oil required. Without this guidance, riders risk using oils that could damage seals or cause other unforeseen problems. There shouldn’t be any ambiguity-this kind of information is basic and essential. That said, it’s a step in the right direction that they’re starting to provide torque specs for components. However, as a heavy-duty mechanic with years of experience working with Caterpillar equipment, I can confidently say that what I see in the EUC world is far from acceptable. The tools and knowledge exist to make these wheels truly amazing and long-lasting, but manufacturers need to prioritize quality and reliability.

3d printers, and other manufacturing technologies, make it so new smaller companies can be competitive with already established, larger brands: with regards to production size and quality of manufactured parts. The same can't be said for things that involve programming, at least not yet. The result is that larger brands like kingsong and inmotion will always have an edge over nosfet and leaperkim regarding firmware and software, simply because they have more people working on it and testing it

The clue is that the wheel moves to brake or accelerate assist position under the rotational force. When it registers the rotational force it treats it as accelerator or brake motion ? See if acceleration and brake assist changes.

On the Lynx, (don't care about the Apex) I find PH at/about 100%, AA 00%, and CrA Lu (CL) at 100% pretty good. Same on the SL. But I do keep pedal angle at zero.

My question would be: how many riders will this matter for? Because I hear raves for the Lynx all over, with new wheels being evaluated as "is it worth it if it's not better than the Lynx?" and such, and watching the video, it looks like the Apex is doing the same thing.

What happens if you adjust that new setting from 0 to100?

The problem is not the wheel, it’s Jack. It’s been Jack all along. Jack is so eager to show the world he’s making a wheel, simply to feed his ego, that he could not hold himself back and just simply release the wheel when it’s actually ready to be released. It’s as simple as that. Period.

I think I gave up on the nosfet… not because of this video.

I wonder. Q1: Does this happen on the L? Q2: The Apex, L, and Lynx has that special safety algorithm should the Hall sensor fail; any relationship? I'm rooting for this wheel and want NOSFET to succeed.

i have a lynx calibrated perfectly flat and it's not moving at all while twisting, if i change the calibration via software it will start the weird behaviour (.13 firmware atm) ps: tested the Extreme and it's rock solid, if you twist the wheel it will do what you set it to do in app

Had mine out in the snow and mud and sprayed it down and some of the exposed connectors shorted including the horn and rear lights. It is all working after drying out taking apart and sealing it a bit against spraying the mud off.

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Is the fixed firmware for this problem even released yet? I saw they're working on it and testing in November, do you have that version in this video already?

I think the wheel assumes you ride backwards then. Should do a test moving the wheel then sudden 180° and moving the other sens to see if it picks up on it. Does the S22 keep the angle backwards if you ride backwards? (Like moving the wheel one direction, sudden 180°, but continue same direction)?

Of all things, being uncertain on how your pedals will behave is the worst 😥 I noticed this going from my first wheel ks16s to my v12ht

Could it be cheap, slow components on the motherboard or is it all in how the code is written? I've no clue, just guessing lol but that would definitely get annoying lol

EDIT: Thanks to the comment section we know the newest setting in the Lynx firmware, “CrA Lu” set to 100 makes the pedals behave like the s22! Watching this footage back it really seems like the wheel is always shifting to the calibrated point regardless of wheel orientation and then slowly correcting to the set pedal angle. It’s like the wheel has no idea that it has turned so the pedals are a mirror image of what they should be, then it slowly corrects. Flat pedal riders may never experience this but as you can see the s22 does not have this flaw.

Nice ride! Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I actually cancelled my preorder and reserved the xway 134v. Felt it was more suitable for my use case. I still think it’s a cool wheel for those who like to modify and tinker, but I just want to ride and do less maintenance. Still feeling fomo though 😂. Haven’t ridden since selling the T4 in October and have to wait another month for the xway.

Matt, thank you for taking us with you on you Apex journey. Please, please, record/post any modifications/disassembly, and include supply sources. Also hoping you'd be open to either sharing your GPS speed on screen or recoring and sharing your adventure as a tour on EUC World. You are shockingly fast on Overdrive and I'd love to see the speed along the way. WOW!!! 😊

The TNT tire does not behave the same as the original 244, it also has a different softer rubber compound

Hello Turb, it's another great ride with you. It doesn't matter what kind of EUC you ride. I'm trying to be as good as you. But at my age (56) you have to take it a little slower. Great ride as always.😁👍

Regarding the tire, if it's anything like the 244 I run on my Lynx, I run it at 27psi on trails. If it's too high I find its grip feels weird. Riding weight 240. Never had an issue with denting doing some gnarly stuff. (Tubed, though)

When the Apex has an adapter that allows for a FastAce or aftermarket hydraulic suspension…. then, I’ll be interested in the Apex. ❤

Great video 👍🏼

Great upload. Nice riding. Cheera

Ye so the apex is like the "tinker trail rider" wheel. If you like upgrading/modifying/ taking apart your wheel it seems like a great choice

👍 Currently I have a Mster V3. Here in Canada, Apex is 5000$ BTax. Begode Extreme 4300$ Btax. At 60yrs and mild trail ridering, I think I will go with the Extreme.

I have found the air shock on the Apex to be a little bit slow for my tastes. My Lynx has a very fast suspension, and I have kind of become used to the very fast Lynx Suspension. My 66lb OG Patton suspension also feels slow in comparison to the 70lb Lynx. I am still breaking in the Apex TNT tire, but it feels like it drops off more to the right and left than the 244 on my Lynx. My 244 on the Lynx also has 3500 miles (5000km) on it and is broken in quite nicely. You say the Apex air shock only takes 275psi!!! I pumped until I was blue in the arms trying to get it up to 300psi. I have the 1300lb coil shock, and will test the coil shock soon. I have a 23 year old mountain bike I bought new in 2001 that has a DNM coil shock. That bike has been through hell and the DNM coil shock has held up all these years without any service. Everything is wet and muddy here, so I have not been able to test the Apex much off road. Stairs and Sk8 park features are what I have been able to play with thus far. I really liked the low maintenance aspect of the Lynx, I am feeling the Apex is going to be more work to keep on the road than the lynx has been. My eRides pedals on the Lynx are more comfortable than the stock Apex pedals; although, so far the Apex pedals do seem to lock me in well enough. I need to put my Grizzla pads on the Apex. So far I have only ridden the Apex on the Bidoux v2 power pads eWheels gave me with the Apex.