I think Taylor not falling into the success traps is that she said it herself that she watched VH1’s Behind the music. She knew early on what to avoid. But most importantly is the fact that she was never the “bread winner” in the family and that she’s always had their support. She was given the freedom to be who and what she wanted to be. People expected her to fail and hated when she didn’t.
@@KristinSudholzexactly! This is what ai say all the time. Her parental supervision in her younger years saved her from the traps that other young stars fall into.
He knows that but even Kelly admits that Taylor had probably already thought of that. She has lawyers, management. She is probably still grateful of Kelly's support and encouragement after this happened.
I'm 65 I've listened to all the great rock and rollers from Fleetwood to Pink Floyd and their songs never made me cry or have feelings until Taylor came along that's where I think she does have magic or is a witch because how does she affect me so much when nobody else could and believe me there's a lot of great artists and bands out there Android voice has innocence and sophistication
I love that you all talked about the characters that Taylor creates, because all songs aren't just completely autobiographical, and even some of the songs that are, are composites. She's a storyteller, she paints a picture. Taylor is always evolving and creating something new. I appreciate your insights on this.
I agree with Rob on Bad Blood. I never understood why on an album with so many amazing songs, that was one that was released and gets performed every show.
@@topher2113 you may not like, but gazillion of others do...have you been to her concerts, it's one of her loudest songs sung by the crowd...you're outnumbered!
I’m also a huge swiftie and am not saying the song is terrible or that no one should like it, just that I don’t care for it and agree with Robs opinion on it. Would I take it off the Eras set list? Yes. Am I upset it’s on there and gets everyone hyped when it plays? No
Her redoing her music is such a crazy idea, but her fans supported her 💯! Adding songs from the vault is such a fantastic marketing scheme and right now people are clamoring for Reputation!
Except for it’s not a scheme she really wants to own her own masters again after they were stolen from her she’s not re-recording for one if that was the case she would still be with Big Machine. Now when she re-records her albums no one can steal from her again ever including her new albums that was the deal she signed with Republic Records and UGM.
This book was honestly so interesting and I needed it to be twice as long. It really solidified the way I think of capital T Taylor Swift, the artist and lowercase t Taylor the person.
I finished the book today. I’m a Gen X Duranie who accidentally raised a Swiftie. The book was amazing. My personal biggest laugh came when John Taylor told Rob he must have been the only man at a Taylor concert and he said he was used to it from going to Duran Duran concerts made me actually lol, as a girl now woman who’s seen DD dozens of times 😂😂😂
That's one of the biggest reasons I love Taylor she writes her own music I just watched a girl singing and she's the best singer I ever seen the problem is she singing karaoke and somehow it just diminishes her
Taylor gives me the kind of hope that says, “keep going. Don’t drop out or give up.” I’m grateful to and inspired by her- how she navigates all the hateful misogynists out there is a mystery. But she does. She’s definitely a role model, but not easy to emulate. I’m working on it.
Bad Blood for the public is loved because of the lyrics...and since you need to match the lyrics with the melody, she does this expertly...it really puts these liars & cheaters that we all know into their place....that song addresses all those feelings. And lets face it, Taylor deals with the crooks all day long and navigates around these people to move her career. I think it takes a lot of guts to address this so openly. She never got a Grammy for Reputation, and it shows that some higher ups with some pull, didn't appreciate her pointing fingers, but she did it anyway, and we respect her for that...because the Music industry is a cesspool and desparately needed some cleaning up. Even needs more today if you ask me.
Taylor is a light and her music resonates so much with me, even being 15 years her senior. My 50th birthday present this year is actually going to see Taylor next week in Vancouver 🥹🫶! I’m so excited, but also a little sad that this tour will be over. It has been so epic. I couldn’t miss it. My MIL equated it to her seeing the Beatles in Toronto just before they toured the US the first time. My sister said seeing the Eras tour would “convert” me 😂. I told her there was no conversion necessary, as I was already sold on her absolute genius as a songwriter and performer. My husband and son don’t care for her, my daughter is ambivalent. Sigh. I’m glad to go see her with a bestie. We love our girls trips and they have always been centered around Broadway or concerts (we saw Kelly and Maroon 5 in Vegas last year - we just love good music). But Taylor is truly something special 🥰. I was always a fan, but not really a Swiftie, until Folklore. I watched the Folklore: The Long Pond Studio Sessions and Miss Americana over Covid and that was it! She’s amazing!
There are TH-cam clips of the Tonight Show interview where Kelly Clarkson’s Tweet encouraging Taylor to re-record is shown. Kelly said Reba had re-recorded when her masters were sold and that was the inspiration of suggesting the same to Taylor.
@@dogwalker97 Kelly supported her, that's true, but Taylor knew immediately that she could always re-record, and there are several interviews of her saying exactly that before Clarkson said a word.....of course Taylors is going to thank those that openly support her.
TS has had to put up with so much misogyny and BS from EVERYONE. No one seems to give her credit for intelligence and work ethic. Not to mention formidable talent.
Nothing New from the RED vault speaks to how she felt about her career and how new, younger women would follow her blueprint for success. "And someone else lights up the room, People love an ingénue." I've heard that Noah Webster got the idea for the dictionary after listening to Taylor Swift. (people are saying) lol
I also think Taylor's parents must have some pretty good musical talent themselves. Especially her mother, as her mother was the daughter of a singer. Because I think they are probably instrumental (no pun intended lol) in helping her pick her songs that should be on the album. I think they are instrumental in helping her figure out which song themes work, maybe what to add to a song, which lyrics are no good, etc. They must give some really good advice. And to do that so well, they need some musical talent themselves.
@@davisfinney7526 I'm not saying they're technically musically talented. I guess, let me rephrase, what I'm saying is, that I feel they must have very good music sensibility. That is the kind of musical talent they probably have. Especially the mother. I dabble in a little songwriting myself. And when you write songs, it is really hard to choose among them, and figure out which ones are the good ones and which ones aren't. You kind of need an outside perspective for that. So I feel Taylor has somebody close to her, who was really good at advising her on that. And I believe it's probably her parents, since they have been with her since the beginning. And clearly they have very good music sensibility, and can figure out which songs are the ones that should make it on the album.
Her grandmother is opera singer. Her parent help her on manage her business. But on songwriting her mom always sent her for writing session or performing sibce beginning.
@@yatiwahab9758 okay good points, but my point was that the parents were good at picking out her good songs, out of all the songs she wrote. They had a good sense of what would work on the album. I mean ultimately, Taylor, plus her parents, had the final decision of how the album turned out. So I'm sure they were also involved in the process. Edit- especially when she was younger I would think. And then since her parents helped her out so much, and were so good at it when she was younger, I'm sure Taylor still includes them in the process, even now that she's an adult. Because she trusts them.
The Rerecording idea came from her Dad and reinforce by Kelly's tweet/support that time with some Vault + for marketing. With those 2 people and her team, she goes for it and the rest is herstory.
But she is the ONE who change the game. She forced to Music Industry to change the rules and the Only successful Artist who survived and revel with it, not Jojo nor Prince. 🤔
Maybe not racism as much as sexism and agism. Her race has likely only benefited her as if she was a POC and did everything else exactly the same, I don't know if she would have had the same rise early on.
@@pamrogers5979I would resume all of those reasons in just one: ignorance. People who “hate her” are just ignoring her work. Which is a mix between jealousy, racism and superficiality. Also misogyny, if you think of it
I’m surprised he didn’t know about the Kelly Clarkson, the age she was when she dated Jake n wrote All Too Well, plus a few other things. So how did he write a book about her? He should have asked a few top Swifties to collaborate on his book!
You haven't seen the people (men in particular) crying about cameras filming her during football games when she's supporting her boyfriend, ridiculing her and her fans, not agreeing with her politics, swearing too much, being too sexual etc.???
How is this person documenting Taylor Swift’s career for Rolling Stone without the knowledge of Kelly Clarkson’s role in the Taylor’s Version project. It’s extremely well documented, Taylor sends a huge bouquet of flowers to Kelly when every TV drops. Bad Blood might be his least favourite single but is he aware that almost every track on 1989 was eventually given the single treatment and by the end even Bad Blood and Wildest Dreams which were filler tracks ended up getting videos and charting. The Max Martin and Shellback contribution to Bad Blood as producers is also a factor as Martin contractually has a say in which tracks he produces get promoted as singles and BB was one of them, near the end of the album cycle. I was very interested in this book but now I am concerned it may omit some key points.
Just read the book. It's full of great insights, and he is a bona fide rock critic who has followed Taylor since the beginning. Writing him off (pun optional) for one detail would be your loss.
Taylor Swift lowered the Bar for pop singers ! Her music is all below mediocre ! She can’t sing and she can’t dance and she can’t play a guitar or piano ! I think she hires ghost writers to write her songs and I think her dad hires ghost writers since 2005 for Swift !
You can believe conspiracy theories if you wish. Also I'm always confused when people say she "can't sing" when in fact she is singing in all her concerts
Taylor probably has her ex boyfriend Joe Alwyn to thank for finally getting that critical praise, because he pushed her in a more folk direction. I know he already gets some money from co-writing songs, but he probably deserves a lot more money for helping make Taylor super super famous.
Are you kidding? Most fans don’t even believe he actually cowrote those songs, more like she was throwing him a bone or possibly used his words from a fight they had. Her saddest songs came from being with him. Good riddance Joe!
@melissadriskell6431 no she described exactly what he wrote. Like he wrote the whole chorus for Betty. But either way he was the one that wanted her to go more folk. And that's what got her praise and more money for years afterwards. He should get some financial rewards for that.
@@saratemp790 It''s well known that Taylor has always been generous with writing credits. She practically gives them away if you're standing in the same room. Maybe I'm misreading it, but your comment is suspiciously misogynistic and uncharitable. You don't know Taylor or Joe and neither do we, but a writing credit automatically entitles Joe to royalties. That's how it works. But you're saying her entire success is because of him?? She was a huge success before they met and even bigger since she dumped him. She's made it clear that he couldn't handle her success. You are either delusional or just trolling, or both.
She already was a fan of the national and more indie bands before Joe. Her songwriting, talent, and ability to shift genres is what made her “super super famous” lets not credit it to a man 🙄
What a joke. I knew she would never go away. They threw MILLIONS after her and she’s related to royalty so she is from the bloodlines. Absolute nonsense
I think Taylor not falling into the success traps is that she said it herself that she watched VH1’s Behind the music. She knew early on what to avoid. But most importantly is the fact that she was never the “bread winner” in the family and that she’s always had their support. She was given the freedom to be who and what she wanted to be. People expected her to fail and hated when she didn’t.
I think this is a vitally important component of her success that is awfully overlooked....
Both her parents intense involvement in her career also made sure that didn’t happen.
@@KristinSudholzexactly! This is what ai say all the time. Her parental supervision in her younger years saved her from the traps that other young stars fall into.
I'm surprised he didn't know about Kelly's part in it. Taylor sends her flowers after every rerecording.
Yeah, how could he not know that?
He knows that but even Kelly admits that Taylor had probably already thought of that. She has lawyers, management. She is probably still grateful of Kelly's support and encouragement after this happened.
I think she was thinking about re recording before Kelly said that, but it might have reaffirmed her idea or made her feel more confident in doing so
I’m shocked!
He probably doesn't follow popular culture news that much. He follows more the actual music news.
She took on Apple Music and Spotify years ago.
I'm 65 I've listened to all the great rock and rollers from Fleetwood to Pink Floyd and their songs never made me cry or have feelings until Taylor came along that's where I think she does have magic or is a witch because how does she affect me so much when nobody else could and believe me there's a lot of great artists and bands out there Android voice has innocence and sophistication
Here's a secret...we can all do that for each other!
Taylor Swift is a genius and shares her thoughts and feelings through music. She also has the love and support and guidance of both her parents.
I love that you all talked about the characters that Taylor creates, because all songs aren't just completely autobiographical, and even some of the songs that are, are composites. She's a storyteller, she paints a picture. Taylor is always evolving and creating something new. I appreciate your insights on this.
Rob!!!! Every time Taylor re-records an album, she sends Kelly flowers…. That’s pretty essential knowledge.
I agree with Rob on Bad Blood. I never understood why on an album with so many amazing songs, that was one that was released and gets performed every show.
Cause it’s a fans fav, as a swiftie I can confirm it 😅
@@topher2113 you may not like, but gazillion of others do...have you been to her concerts, it's one of her loudest songs sung by the crowd...you're outnumbered!
I love bad blood and I am 78
I’m also a huge swiftie and am not saying the song is terrible or that no one should like it, just that I don’t care for it and agree with Robs opinion on it. Would I take it off the Eras set list? Yes. Am I upset it’s on there and gets everyone hyped when it plays? No
It’s my bathroom song... meaning when I’m at her concert, that’s when I go to the bathroom
Everything has changed and clean speak directly to me
Clean is lyrically my favorite.
I also adore Long Live
Her redoing her music is such a crazy idea, but her fans supported her 💯! Adding songs from the vault is such a fantastic marketing scheme and right now people are clamoring for Reputation!
Except for it’s not a scheme she really wants to own her own masters again after they were stolen from her she’s not re-recording for one if that was the case she would still be with Big Machine. Now when she re-records her albums no one can steal from her again ever including her new albums that was the deal she signed with Republic Records and UGM.
This book was honestly so interesting and I needed it to be twice as long. It really solidified the way I think of capital T Taylor Swift, the artist and lowercase t Taylor the person.
I finished the book today. I’m a Gen X Duranie who accidentally raised a Swiftie. The book was amazing. My personal biggest laugh came when John Taylor told Rob he must have been the only man at a Taylor concert and he said he was used to it from going to Duran Duran concerts made me actually lol, as a girl now woman who’s seen DD dozens of times 😂😂😂
That's one of the biggest reasons I love Taylor she writes her own music I just watched a girl singing and she's the best singer I ever seen the problem is she singing karaoke and somehow it just diminishes her
Taylor gives me the kind of hope that says, “keep going. Don’t drop out or give up.” I’m grateful to and inspired by her- how she navigates all the hateful misogynists out there is a mystery. But she does. She’s definitely a role model, but not easy to emulate. I’m working on it.
Bad Blood for the public is loved because of the lyrics...and since you need to match the lyrics with the melody, she does this expertly...it really puts these liars & cheaters that we all know into their place....that song addresses all those feelings. And lets face it, Taylor deals with the crooks all day long and navigates around these people to move her career. I think it takes a lot of guts to address this so openly. She never got a Grammy for Reputation, and it shows that some higher ups with some pull, didn't appreciate her pointing fingers, but she did it anyway, and we respect her for that...because the Music industry is a cesspool and desparately needed some cleaning up. Even needs more today if you ask me.
Taylor and her team are the best.
We've been watching Taylor, growing up,so we feel like we know her.She's almost like a family member. We want to see her succeed.💙
Taylor is a light and her music resonates so much with me, even being 15 years her senior. My 50th birthday present this year is actually going to see Taylor next week in Vancouver 🥹🫶! I’m so excited, but also a little sad that this tour will be over. It has been so epic. I couldn’t miss it. My MIL equated it to her seeing the Beatles in Toronto just before they toured the US the first time. My sister said seeing the Eras tour would “convert” me 😂. I told her there was no conversion necessary, as I was already sold on her absolute genius as a songwriter and performer. My husband and son don’t care for her, my daughter is ambivalent. Sigh. I’m glad to go see her with a bestie. We love our girls trips and they have always been centered around Broadway or concerts (we saw Kelly and Maroon 5 in Vegas last year - we just love good music). But Taylor is truly something special 🥰. I was always a fan, but not really a Swiftie, until Folklore. I watched the Folklore: The Long Pond Studio Sessions and Miss Americana over Covid and that was it! She’s amazing!
That's going to be such an incredible experience! So excited for you!
There are TH-cam clips of the Tonight Show interview where Kelly Clarkson’s Tweet encouraging Taylor to re-record is shown. Kelly said Reba had re-recorded when her masters were sold and that was the inspiration of suggesting the same to Taylor.
@@dogwalker97 Kelly supported her, that's true, but Taylor knew immediately that she could always re-record, and there are several interviews of her saying exactly that before Clarkson said a word.....of course Taylors is going to thank those that openly support her.
There's no "million things" that people dislike her about ...
Just her politics ☠️
taylor legend best artist of ALL TIME
Lover was released in 2019… WOW I forgot! And we got 2 albums in 2020.
Red is my fav too
she's not that polarizing. It's not like she's evil
She is the most polarizing darling, she might not be evil, but opne twitter and you'll see people saying she should die.
TS has had to put up with so much misogyny and BS from EVERYONE. No one seems to give her credit for intelligence and work ethic. Not to mention formidable talent.
Every time a Taylor’s Version comes out, she sends a thank you bouquet to Kelly Clarkson. I’ve heard both of them talk about this.
Nothing New from the RED vault speaks to how she felt about her career and how new, younger women would follow her blueprint for success.
"And someone else lights up the room,
People love an ingénue."
I've heard that Noah Webster got the idea for the dictionary after listening to Taylor Swift. (people are saying) lol
I can't believe he would say Bad Blood when Me and London Boy exists lol
He gets it
I also think Taylor's parents must have some pretty good musical talent themselves. Especially her mother, as her mother was the daughter of a singer. Because I think they are probably instrumental (no pun intended lol) in helping her pick her songs that should be on the album. I think they are instrumental in helping her figure out which song themes work, maybe what to add to a song, which lyrics are no good, etc. They must give some really good advice. And to do that so well, they need some musical talent themselves.
I don't believe so, because they got their... mechanic? to teach her guitar (or some other small time worker)
@@davisfinney7526 I'm not saying they're technically musically talented. I guess, let me rephrase, what I'm saying is, that I feel they must have very good music sensibility. That is the kind of musical talent they probably have. Especially the mother. I dabble in a little songwriting myself. And when you write songs, it is really hard to choose among them, and figure out which ones are the good ones and which ones aren't. You kind of need an outside perspective for that. So I feel Taylor has somebody close to her, who was really good at advising her on that. And I believe it's probably her parents, since they have been with her since the beginning. And clearly they have very good music sensibility, and can figure out which songs are the ones that should make it on the album.
@@saratemp790 ahhhhh okay I see. Hmmm who know?
Her grandmother is opera singer. Her parent help her on manage her business. But on songwriting her mom always sent her for writing session or performing sibce beginning.
@@yatiwahab9758 okay good points, but my point was that the parents were good at picking out her good songs, out of all the songs she wrote. They had a good sense of what would work on the album. I mean ultimately, Taylor, plus her parents, had the final decision of how the album turned out. So I'm sure they were also involved in the process. Edit- especially when she was younger I would think. And then since her parents helped her out so much, and were so good at it when she was younger, I'm sure Taylor still includes them in the process, even now that she's an adult. Because she trusts them.
The Rerecording idea came from her Dad and reinforce by Kelly's tweet/support that time with some Vault + for marketing. With those 2 people and her team, she goes for it and the rest is herstory.
JoJo did her re-recordings prior to Taylor doing it. Love Taylor, but she wasn't the first to so this.
But she is the ONE who change the game. She forced to Music Industry to change the rules and the Only successful Artist who survived and revel with it, not Jojo nor Prince. 🤔
Jealously and racism. I hate to say it, but it is true.
superficiality too - inability to see the layers below the surface and assuming everything is superficial
Maybe not racism as much as sexism and agism.
Her race has likely only benefited her as if she was a POC and did everything else exactly the same, I don't know if she would have had the same rise early on.
@@pamrogers5979I would resume all of those reasons in just one: ignorance. People who “hate her” are just ignoring her work. Which is a mix between jealousy, racism and superficiality. Also misogyny, if you think of it
@@To_Fun yes :) projection too possibly
Gladiator Taylor!
7:02 Why does it seem you think she is only targeting teens and 20 something’s? I’m 51 and have been a fan since 2008.
I’m surprised he didn’t know about the Kelly Clarkson, the age she was when she dated Jake n wrote All Too Well, plus a few other things. So how did he write a book about her? He should have asked a few top Swifties to collaborate on his book!
Yes there are probably many swifties that know even more than he does.
I haven't read the book, but isn't it about how she changed pop music? If so, why would he knows all the "lore" of Taylor Swift like many swifties do?
9:19 OMG now I’m out on this video.
14:08
Yeah I'm surprised he didn't know Kelly was the one that told her to re-record them. It's not like it was a secret.
Why is this lady making it sound like Taylor is so hated today? Lol She's never been more popular and beloved than this year and last year.
I know my ex hated Taylor. This was a couple years ago. He told me I was not allowed to bring up Taylor ever again to him.
You haven't seen the people (men in particular) crying about cameras filming her during football games when she's supporting her boyfriend, ridiculing her and her fans, not agreeing with her politics, swearing too much, being too sexual etc.???
How is this person documenting Taylor Swift’s career for Rolling Stone without the knowledge of Kelly Clarkson’s role in the Taylor’s Version project. It’s extremely well documented, Taylor sends a huge bouquet of flowers to Kelly when every TV drops.
Bad Blood might be his least favourite single but is he aware that almost every track on 1989 was eventually given the single treatment and by the end even Bad Blood and Wildest Dreams which were filler tracks ended up getting videos and charting. The Max Martin and Shellback contribution to Bad Blood as producers is also a factor as Martin contractually has a say in which tracks he produces get promoted as singles and BB was one of them, near the end of the album cycle.
I was very interested in this book but now I am concerned it may omit some key points.
Just read the book. It's full of great insights, and he is a bona fide rock critic who has followed Taylor since the beginning. Writing him off (pun optional) for one detail would be your loss.
It's distracting from the interview when you slap your hand down and your jewelry makes that noise.
Bad Blood is my least favourite song as well
Taylor Swift lowered the Bar for pop singers ! Her music is all below mediocre ! She can’t sing and she can’t dance and she can’t play a guitar or piano ! I think she hires ghost writers to write her songs and I think her dad hires ghost writers since 2005 for Swift !
You can believe conspiracy theories if you wish. Also I'm always confused when people say she "can't sing" when in fact she is singing in all her concerts
Taylor probably has her ex boyfriend Joe Alwyn to thank for finally getting that critical praise, because he pushed her in a more folk direction. I know he already gets some money from co-writing songs, but he probably deserves a lot more money for helping make Taylor super super famous.
Are you kidding? Most fans don’t even believe he actually cowrote those songs, more like she was throwing him a bone or possibly used his words from a fight they had. Her saddest songs came from being with him. Good riddance Joe!
@melissadriskell6431 no she described exactly what he wrote. Like he wrote the whole chorus for Betty. But either way he was the one that wanted her to go more folk. And that's what got her praise and more money for years afterwards. He should get some financial rewards for that.
@@saratemp790 It''s well known that Taylor has always been generous with writing credits. She practically gives them away if you're standing in the same room. Maybe I'm misreading it, but your comment is suspiciously misogynistic and uncharitable. You don't know Taylor or Joe and neither do we, but a writing credit automatically entitles Joe to royalties. That's how it works. But you're saying her entire success is because of him?? She was a huge success before they met and even bigger since she dumped him. She's made it clear that he couldn't handle her success. You are either delusional or just trolling, or both.
She already was a fan of the national and more indie bands before Joe. Her songwriting, talent, and ability to shift genres is what made her “super super famous” lets not credit it to a man 🙄
@@thoughtsofafan”to a man🙄” and then they cry about sexism all the time. Hyp0c
What a joke. I knew she would never go away. They threw MILLIONS after her and she’s related to royalty so she is from the bloodlines. Absolute nonsense
You don't know what you are talking about. Bunch of crap.
...and the trolls come out, right on queue. "They", royalty, bloodlines. Hilarious. Time to take your meds
Yeah she did change pop music it sucked big time before and with her it sucked even worse then before😂
Nobody is keeping you from listening to rap. Bye