How To Set Up A Trading Business (LLC, Trust, Or Corp?)
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So you want to set up a trading business. That's all well and good, but the question on our mind is if you know how to set up and run a trading business?
You can set up a trading company right now if you wanted, but that's not the issue you should be focusing on. The point of interest should be the steps that come after establishing the business itself.
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0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Definition of a trading business
6:25 - Trader vs. Investor
10:42 - Why people choose trader status
15:39 - Why create an entity
19:43 - Setting up your trading business
24:14 - The power of your c-corp
30:26 - Here is to avoid an audit
36:09 - Short summary
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I would love for you to help me set this up fam
Let's do this when can we meet
Can you help me set this up
Are there any limits on numbers of trades per year to treat one as a trading business account?
Just signed up for the workshop. Thanks much this is right up my ally.
This is the best most detailed explanation I’ve seen. And I’ve watched many. Mahalo nui!!!
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My man! I’m 23 and I decided to pursue to be a day trader and I’ve been trying to find a clear video about this. It definitely helped a lot! Thank you so much 🙏🏽
Are you part of the 95% or the 5%?
im 20 n this vid is amazing
straight up!
I’m 31 and in the same boat good luck to us all! We got this!
Damn I’m 23 too. now I make all this money and I’m just trying to figure out how to maximize it lol.
Your videos are so informative. I can't believe you give all this info for free.
Precisely what I needed and couldn’t find elsewhere after years of searching! You just got a new customer!
Please let us know if you need anything!
So much knowledge! Thank you Sir for sharing all these info, you have gained another subscriber! 👍👍
Thank you so much for this video! So much info! Please do more of these!
Thanks so much! Any info about the do's and don't of a Trading Corporation are much appreciated!
So far investor sounds better than trader due to the points you made my man, thank you.
Thank you so much for all information. Please continue to publish videos. Thank you.
Excellent and very useful guidance. Thank you very much!
Am new into trading, would likely want to watch this again.
Needed this, thank you!
Hi Toby,
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.....It's invaluable! I have one question regarding the Management Company set-up in a Trading Business. Once I set up the C-Corp would I be allowed to manage all the activities (not receive a salary just claim expenses) or do I need to hire a license firm like Fidelity or T Rowe Price?
Fantastic content here Toby! I've been subscribed and really enjoy the way you break these topics down. Thanks for taking the time to share your knowledge.
Spoke with a person at Anderson today with a followup next week to talk about this sort of thing. Good stuff.
I never knew the benefits of having a WY LLC until watching your video. You provide great and thorough information.Thank you!
Hello, I have a lot of related knowledge that I don't understand. Can I add your number to WHATSAP to contact you and learn about this wealth of knowledge?
Thank you so much for the most simple breakdown on this topic !
Thank you for watching our content!
It's not just what you make.. Its how much you keep!!!
I think this may be the most important video for traders to watch. I watched it twice just to get the concepts. It certainly changed my view about becoming a day trader and most importantly it showed me about the potential liability of losing all your hard earned money. Thanks Toby you’re brilliant!
Do you trade by yourself or within a community?
Thank you!! I’m so glad I found your channel! Very good information!
Hello, I have a lot of related knowledge that I don't understand. Can I add your number to WHATSAP to contact you and learn about this wealth of knowledge?
I just had to subscribe, such good info was spelled here!
Toby this was solid!!! Wow, very well explained. I loved the description of the structure versus the Trader status.
Very informative and really helped me to plan. I really appreciate you for the video. Would you please do another video on how to transfer your personal brokerage account(s) to the trading partnership and the tax consequences?
Please
Brilliant Advice, Thanks Toby.
I started a business last year and it didn’t even get off the ground because I realized I was just trying to do something that I didn’t want to do. I’m very passionate about trading and have had a great deal of success I plan to make a structure like this probably at the beginning of next year. I will be contacting to find out more info thanks for the great ideas
I like how he talks about creating something.. I built beautiful small homes.. I renovated and sometimes saved old homes.. Today its called flipping.. I was no flipper... I like this guy!!!
Just the video I needed. Excellent content and clarity
Great to hear, thank you for watching the video!
Thank you for your educational contributions! You are a modern hero teacher!
Wow, thank you! We appreciate viewers like you taking the time to watch our content!
I have been looking for content on how to set up what I need properly. Toby knocked this out of the park. I have had accountants that couldn't get passed the notion of someone making a living trading. Yep very small % of people make it. I have after many years of studying and struggling have been able to do this. My question is, can a individual trader back file earnings after opening a business structure for trading? I have no interest in filing as a "trader"
Ready to get this journey started.
Absolutely the BEST I have ever heard! Thanks, Toby for taking the time to explain this in detail! 😃
We are glad that you found the video helpful!
Very informative and very well explained, thank you.
Question: At 16:37, you allude to strategies for maximizing the underwriting value of rental income by having it appear as K-1 income, on the second page of Schedule E. Do you elaborate on the this setup and technique in any of your other videos or writings?
Thank you for making this video this was one of the most informing and easy for me to understand. I greatly appreciate it.
Glad it was helpful, thank you for watching!
Great video; very informative. Two questions; Do the entities need to make a filings with SEC, and is a securities license required of the trader now that trading will be done under an entity?
Amazing information thanks! I’m a travel RN with real estate investing on the side. Would love any videos on those topics
Thank you for your time in making this.
My pleasure! Thank you for watching.
Great video. thank you for the solid information.
Brother thank you so much. Very helpful Happy Holidays and God Bless
Happy holidays to you too Kenneth! Thank you for watching our content.
Toby is truly the GOAT, proud to be an Anderson Client
This was great info Toby. Thank you so much! The way you explain and the examples you gave..made it easy to comprehend and proves your knowledge and experience in the field. Thanks for taking the time to share the info 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks Toby, great video as always. For the trading account in the Partnership, does it need to meet any specific trading requirements like the active trader does? (e.g. number or frequency of trades?) And after I make guaranteed payment to partner, how is any remaining profits in the trading account taxed? Short term Capital Gains on 1040 schedule D?
Awesome! My friends at Anderson Advisors are helping me do this. Thank you.
Excellent! Thank you for watching our content.
I clapped for you. Excellent work.
I’ve been a FT day trader for 3 years out of the six I’ve been going at it. I think it’s worth mentioning that TTS makes trading loses (timely election of Section 475) MTM which gives wash sales different treatment. If you have a high win percentage this is obviously less of a factor, but could be valuable for certain types of traders dependent on you underlying strategy employed. Also QBI 20% deduction and several others…Either way, you you want to go at this profession treating it like a full time job and not be torn between trading and another gig. Laser focus is required. Mistakes cost a lot when your not dialed in super tight when intraday positions are on. Good luck!
Very practical high value solve important problem, many thanks!!!!
Glad to hear that!
At first I was skeptical how helpful this would be. Then he started talking about data flow being able to be deducted and that got my attention. THEN he started talking about writing covered calls, and I realized 'this guy really knows his stuff'
Fist time watching one of your videos. You have definitely locked in another regular viewer and thank you for the wisdom. Quick question: In your example the brokerage account it attached directly to the management LLC. Is it wise to set up a separate LLC for trading specifically that is housed under a separate asset management LLC. What Im wondering is if there are benefits to doing this or would it complicate or limit the deductions available? Mabey you already have another video about this.
Very informative! Thank you so much! I've been focusing on what it takes for TTS, and this video provides a viable alternative!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
Awesome video my brother thank you. Truly appreciate it🍀💚🏁
Awesome information! Thank you for taking time out to share!
Glad it was helpful!
this is exactly what im looking for! thank you mr mathis !! i will def hit you up when im ready fo this adventure
Awesome to hear that you found what you were looking for
Amazing video Toby. I'm curious about the following: (1) not a day trader but more often than not will hold stock for under a year (2) don't want to hold stock in an individual account since holding period is considered short term gains (3) would electing for to be taxed as a C-Corp instead of just LLC as a pass thru be better since C-Corp are lower than the short term gains bracket?
I have learned a lot i will watch it again
Thank you Tony, you got new subscribers, and I have share your TH-cam to my friends and family.
Awesome, thank you!
You're a life savior. Thank you so much.
I'm glad I could help!
Thnks, Toby. Great job explaining why we NEED the privacy/anonymity and protection against charging orders by using WY LLC's and WY corporations.
Thank you for watching!
This was great! I’ve been starting my trading journey and decided to look into creating an LLC for it. I’m glad I started here, thank you for the information. Now on to beginning the process of setting up an LLC and trade through there!
hey, I am confused. Can an investor (someone who doesnt day trade regularly) can setup Trading Business, brokerage account, structure it as LLC (C-Corp), and will be able to deducted business expense? Does the LLC need to qualify for TTS?
Wonderful video! Thank you so much for putting this out there.
Glad you enjoyed it
Thank you for the info, Toby. So having to give away the management entity % of your equity of your LLC does not seem like a good option if your stock porforlio in that LLC is worth a lot?
Thank you very much for brilliant insights on how to structure etc.
I'm glad you found the insights helpful!
Very informative video Toby! It helps a lot. I’m building a new trading business from scratch and this information was on my mind. The best way to structure it as a business. Based on your knowledge I’m sure I will be in touch. Thanks again!
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I would appreciate a link to your free event and info on a free strategy session.
@@TobyMathis How can I register for a free event?
Yes please, I’m interested as well
Links in description btw.
Excellent information. Thanks for sharing!
Our pleasure! Thank you for watching!
thank you so much for sharing this information. It's very helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
top tier content - thank you!
People from Wyoming been blessed to have you as a lead.
I’m in San Diego, Ca I am giving this a try in the near future. I pray to God Almighty to bless your way, home and family as you have blessed me.
You are gettinh fked with taxes 😂😂
Toby, you’re my new best friend. Thank you for this video.
Any time, thank you for being a viewer!
Awsome explanation, This is very useful to me. Thank you so much once again
Glad it was helpful!
The reason for the "95% lose money" metric is because most beginning traders blow out an account, give up, and walk away. I blew out 2 accounts my first 3 years in the business. Trading is a difficult business and traders can expect to lose money for the first couple of years. Being a good technical analyst is not good enough. Traders need to understand the behavior of the market they are trading in.
They also have to conquer their own psychological idiosyncrasies which I think is the most common reason most traders are not profitable.
Great video and easy to understand.
Very well explained from the tax perspective. I wish some info was given on the llc , which might be subject to the regulations of The Investment advisor act. The llp might be subject to the Investment company act.😕
thanks a lot for the video, really a great job on that!
may i suggest if could make a video on how to do the same as european? i would love to have my assets in c corp structure in the US with that kind of tax structure or something the same here!
Thank you so much for this information.
You are so welcome! Thank you for watching the video!
Thanks a million for all the info. You are a real pro . I will stay in touch ...
I appreciate that!
Tried setting up an LLC in Ohio years ago. Didn't take long for the State to make be regret it. Closed it the first filing year.
Would love to see more videos around trading businesses.
We will take your suggestion into consideration, thank you for watching the channel.
Fantastic Meaningful Content, Thanks Toby And You Have A New Sub And Thumbs Up
Welcome aboard! Thank you for joining the community!
Futures day trader here. Subscribed.
I found this video to be extremely helpful! Thank you for your insight. I did have several questions: (1) When requesting an EIN what would I put in the “type of business,” and what category would it fall into? (Like finance) (2) If I proceeded with “other” for the type, would I simply state “day trader,” or something like “portfolio management”? Thank you again! I look forward to watching more of your content.
1- The ol' 'it depends' applies here, but fortunately, it is not super legally significant. It is just for statistics gathering for the IRS, and it will not affect your liability or taxes. You can choose whatever fits your business, including 2- "Other". If you choose that option, you can list what you want to as the purpose. Many will say something like "Asset Management" if they select the "other" option.
just curious could a forex trader with LLC get business credit? if so wouldn’t you want to be careful what you choose for the EIN since there’s some red flags of risk for lenders (i.e., banks)?
@@KonockusSashington as far as i understand it, you can leverage funds through the broker. I believe the rule in the U.S. is 50:1, meaning you can leverage $50 per dollar in your account, similar to stock options
Greetings brother this information was great and very easy to understand. I am going to check out your website and channel. Thanks for great content , God bless you and your family.
Greetings Floyd, here is a link to our website
andersonadvisors.com/
Im just getting to this video now, I’m not a CPA but I am a student in accounting (undergrad not grad). So glad I structured my business this way. 😩 I’m opening a cafe in December with my trading proceeds from forex.
Hello, I have a lot of related knowledge that I don't understand. Can I add your number to WHATSAP to contact you and learn about this wealth of knowledge?
How's the café made possible by forex going? Just curious
help me out, i made a wyoming series LLC, can i structure it in a similar way?
Yes extremely useful, many thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
Hi Toby, great info. I was strongly contemplating going Trader status but you have convinced me otherwise. I do Sell lots of Options, approx 5/day, year-round. Would you recommend I go Trader or Investor status???
Toby what if one has a million dollar income trading using corp management structure & LLC for trading as suggested by you. After corp pays 21% Do I & spouse as shareholder pay tax again 20% as dividend or ordinary taxes. I am talking about double taxation even though you keep the earnings in the brokerage.
One question, would I still benefit on all of this if I did this for my brokerage that would be based on only owning/ collecting dividends? Or unfortunately wouldn’t help in a situation like that. I intend on having the management company, managing my real estate eventually but it would start off as managing my dividend portfolio/ brokerage. Great video btw!
Good one Tobe!👍🏿
This is great, thank you!
Glad you liked it!
Such valuable content!!!
Hello, I have a lot of related knowledge that I don't understand. Can I add your number to WHATSAP to contact you and learn about this wealth of knowledge?
Thanks so much. Great video.
Thank you for watching!
Thanks for the greate content, I had similar idea but got nowhere to confirm it would work. Also are there any video or website to cover how to setup the asset manager LLC's client agreement? The agreement that allow asset management LLC has full control on client;s fund(regardless is cash or 401K) and paper work that change the comissions from the clients? not sure if the asset manager is required to be an CFA or have Series 7 exam passed? all those detail would love to know or at least let me know where to find thanks
Thank you
Very helpful
Always welcome, thank you for watching!
How do you suggest wording or what "service" should we say we are providing as day traders when applying for a business account? Running into issues getting approved due to me providing "financial services"
Great info...I appreciate the nuggets
Thank you, let us know if you have any questions!
would you provide a worksheet that shows the steps for setting up a Wyoming LLC and moving assets into it.
Thank you for this information. Can you do a more detailed video of this C.Corp structure?
We will make a note of your suggestion!
Gotta keep watching this video more than once to get a clear picture. After 4.5 years trading I finally became profitable with consistency. Now I gotta figure all this out. How do I find a "you" in my area???😅
Wow this is go to man. Nailed it. Thanks Toby!
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching!
Hello, I have a lot of related knowledge that I don't understand. Can I add your number to WHATSAP to contact you and learn about this wealth of knowledge?
Thank You for all these great info, i have a question for you, if i want to open llc for day trading and my strategy generates profit but in the same time a lot of losses but overall at the end of the year it generates profit, should i have MArk to market accounting for my broker ? or it doesn't matter because i have llc and i can waive my losses?
You give so much value! Unfortunately I live in Australia. Does anyone know someone from Australia that shares the same knowledge?
Thank you.
Great info, watched it twice ... how do you feel the llc out of Delaware