I wasn`t surprised by it. Primers are very powerful. It flat out blew the rice out of the way. Maybe a test with teriyaki sauce in a wet tumbler in the future John? 😁
Adding rice to my deer load! LOL - You know - the fact you keep asking the Why's! Leads us to an additional answers! Now for testing in my lab. Thank YOU!
Never underestimate the power of a primer. I’ll seat a foam earplug into a .40 s&w case with just a primer. It comes out with enough power to dent a coke can pretty good.
I also use rice as a tumbling media. I use medium kernel rice to minimize rice in the primer holes. Long Grain will stick all the time. But it still happens with medium, due to breakage of the kernels. The scarier occurrence was to discover that kernels were staying in the case and rounds being fired with a kernel of rice mixed into the powder. I was unloading some rounds and out pops a kernel of rice with the powder. Now I air blow my cases after tumbling. There were more than a couple of stuck kernels inside 50 cases. I'm not sure this is safe to fire rounds with rice kernels mixed in the powder. Also not sure if it's static electricity or dirty/sticky rice.
I watch all yours and Erik’s videos. Love them. Would you be willing to share what rice you use to tumble in. I have tried so many I could supply an oriental restaurant for a year. I googled what you mention in this video(lucky #1 sweet rice) with really no luck. Thanks either way.
Not that surprising. Try seating your primers through very thin paper. Keeps small powder granules from clogging the space between the anvil legs. Old BP trick from the old days. Berdan primers sometimes give better SD/ES numbers due to the small holes. Just a PITA to reload.
Good information and video. Never thought about such happening. Never thought about using rice for tumbling brass. Did the cases show any sign of pressure problems. Thanks for the video
really interesting,just deprimed berdan .303 and tumbled in corn cob,quite afew had one flashhole blocked so I meticulously checked and cleared with compressed air.did not enter my head to think about ignition consequences.
Thanks fer sharing !!.....the ole' BP/paper-under-primer-trick has always intrigued me aswell,....I think I will test that myself to see how it lowers SD's.....
I did this same test with corn cob media in the flash holes about 15 years ago. Was shooting at 600, also did runout tests on the same day. Could not see a difference at that range.
John, rather than taking the time to visually inspect the flash holes for rice, consider running them thru your Lee App Decapper setup. I would imagine that would be much faster and achieve the same result. No rice in the flash holes.
Interesting. I use wet tumbling with SS pins. Fired case necks on my 6.5's are just the right size where sometimes pins get wedged in the necks and are a pain to remove. There's always something.
New name "Riceman". have had issues with debries in flash holes, went to lizard litter from the pet store, small enough to not get stuck, add car polish and it does well.
I've thought about trying it but I'm pretty sure it would get messy real quick and probably wouldn't clean off your brass very well, especially inside.
Out of curiosity John is their a specific reason you don’t decap after tumbling? I’ve always tumbled, decapped and then cleaned primer pockets by hand whilst inspecting.
It can go both ways. Some people like pulling the primers first so that the media can clean the pockets. Others leave the primers in and clean the packets later or not at all. Just preference.
@@FClassJohn Thank you very much for responding. I never thought you will respond since is a old video but I appreciate it and thank you for being humble and always having time to interact with your followers!
LMAO!!! I couldn't tell you how much times I've spent digging pins or corn cob media out of my primer pockets and brass. I dont know what would happen with the steel pins but at least I know corn cob media might not be that important...
Rice hmmm … knowing you there is a very good reason why you don’t use wet tumbling with steel pins. Can you share your personal resin why you don’t like wet tumbling?
He did say in the audio when another guy said “ only you would test rice in the flash hole “ to which John replied “ why wouldn’t you” at that point the other guy said “ because I don’t use rice “ then John replied “ then do it with stainless “ after that they went on to say rice burns stainless don’t stainless pins fused to your barrel. And apparently someone they know had it happened to them. What I gather out of that quick conversation was. One of them missed some stainless pins and it jacked up a expensive barrel. And I can see that happening it makes sense also there barrels can’t be cheap. I have a Krieger m110 barrel for my AR10 and it wasn’t cheap. The barrel and JP bolt combo was 1300 bucks. So could you imagine spending that kind of money just to completely destroy it because you missed a few stainless pins.
Un-freaking-believable. I just knew youd get a pack of random squibbers out of that. You need to rename that rifle the rice rocket🤣. I unabashedly admit how wrong I guessed these results.
one question one comment maybe two questions and zero comment. First, should have fired equal rounds without rice in the flashhole, curious. Second was the rifle manufactured in China? ;)
I wonder why sonic cleaning isn't all the rage..no media to ever get stuck. Detergent, citric acid...oven dry... Having a vertical rack seems the trick
I have made a brass plate with slots cut in it so they hang by the ejector groove. I put it in the ultrasonic cleaner then transfer it to the air roaster on the wash temperature. 30 mins from dirty to ready to load.
I drilled out a bit of plastic chopping board and stood the cases up...but .noted that it seemed block alot of vibration...hanging seems much better...do the primer pockets clean well?...How'd you make the legs? Thanks..
@@misterlewgee8874 I used 55mm on each end of the plate/sheet to fold down 90degrees to allow my 6.5PRC cases clearance to the basket. Metal and glass transfer the sonic waves straight through, plastic doesn’t.
God I hope John sees this comment Take your old rice. When you have a camp fire or fireplace sprinkle the rice on the coals after the fire dies down. Makes a beautiful green flame from all the metal oxide stuck on/in them.
Guessing before I see what happens - My guess is nothing. It still shoots EDIT: I was correct, everyone acknowledge me pls. And I really guessed before I saw.
Hey John, no one who's anyone cleans their brass anymore. I haven't cleaned my brass for years & I 100% recrystallize my brass & it looks like shit, shoots no different. Cleaning brass is for amateurs. Everyone knows it makes zero difference & is one less shit thing you need to do.
My takeaway is that there are probably quite a few things that we obsess over which are not quite as important as we think they are.
Like deburring flash holes? If a hole plugged with rice don't affect it much, what's a little burr gonna do?
I wasn`t surprised by it. Primers are very powerful. It flat out blew the rice out of the way.
Maybe a test with teriyaki sauce in a wet tumbler in the future John? 😁
🤣
Adding rice to my deer load! LOL - You know - the fact you keep asking the Why's! Leads us to an additional answers! Now for testing in my lab. Thank YOU!
Never underestimate the power of a primer. I’ll seat a foam earplug into a .40 s&w case with just a primer. It comes out with enough power to dent a coke can pretty good.
😂
I also use rice as a tumbling media. I use medium kernel rice to minimize rice in the primer holes. Long Grain will stick all the time. But it still happens with medium, due to breakage of the kernels. The scarier occurrence was to discover that kernels were staying in the case and rounds being fired with a kernel of rice mixed into the powder. I was unloading some rounds and out pops a kernel of rice with the powder.
Now I air blow my cases after tumbling. There were more than a couple of stuck kernels inside 50 cases. I'm not sure this is safe to fire rounds with rice kernels mixed in the powder. Also not sure if it's static electricity or dirty/sticky rice.
I watch all yours and Erik’s videos. Love them. Would you be willing to share what rice you use to tumble in. I have tried so many I could supply an oriental restaurant for a year. I googled what you mention in this video(lucky #1 sweet rice) with really no luck. Thanks either way.
Not that surprising. Try seating your primers through very thin paper. Keeps small powder granules from clogging the space between the anvil legs. Old BP trick from the old days. Berdan primers sometimes give better SD/ES numbers due to the small holes. Just a PITA to reload.
Good information and video. Never thought about such happening. Never thought about using rice for tumbling brass. Did the cases show any sign of pressure problems. Thanks for the video
Coolest rice cooker ever!
really interesting,just deprimed berdan .303 and tumbled in corn cob,quite afew had one flashhole blocked so I meticulously checked and cleared with compressed air.did not enter my head to think about ignition consequences.
Thanks fer sharing !!.....the ole' BP/paper-under-primer-trick has always intrigued me aswell,....I think I will test that myself to see how it lowers SD's.....
I'm at the 3 min mark and my guess is it shoots fine. I think the primer has enough power to blow the price out and fire the round.
I did this same test with corn cob media in the flash holes about 15 years ago. Was shooting at 600, also did runout tests on the same day. Could not see a difference at that range.
That’s good to know. So opposite of what you’d expect for sure. I was shocked.
Holly shit is exactly correct. I would have neve believed this.
Just curious why you don't wet tumble your brass... does a much better job cleaning the brass(including the promer pocket) and a lot less messy/dusty.
John, rather than taking the time to visually inspect the flash holes for rice, consider running them thru your Lee App Decapper setup. I would imagine that would be much faster and achieve the same result. No rice in the flash holes.
Makes you wonder if all the deburring and chamfering of flash holes is worth while
Do you add cut up dryer sheets to the rice?
How about an inverted cone above the flash hole so the flame would have to flare out upon entering the case.
What does this say about obsessing over flash holes 🤦🏼 Great information. Thanks
It says it’s probably unnecessary. One less step in the future without worrying about degradation of quality.
Interesting. I use wet tumbling with SS pins. Fired case necks on my 6.5's are just the right size where sometimes pins get wedged in the necks and are a pain to remove. There's always something.
Yeah for sure. For your situation you may want to try the ‘football’ style pins. They don’t get stuck in the mouth.
Thanks! I'll check them out.
Rice shooting! Rice-Brass John
Interesting test. But remember it was the Chinese that invented gunpowder. A little rice here and there will add to the combustion. LOL
Maybe it stabilizes the explosion of the primer obviously instantaneously, so all in all I am shocked and yes I believe you.
there's your answer John... Rice plugs.... you will be the new king of Fclass
🤫 Don’t tell anyone. 😂
When using rice do you add any type of wax to it and how long you tumble for? Thinking of trying rice out
Nope. Just bare rice and go
stainless steel pins would be a problem perhaps!!
Which rice do you prefer?
Whatever is cheap at Costco. I've tried more rice than you can imagine and that's what I've landed on.
Running straight 284 Winchester?
Yes
New name "Riceman". have had issues with debries in flash holes, went to lizard litter from the pet store, small enough to not get stuck, add car polish and it does well.
Sure I’ll give that a try. 👍🏻
Thats cool
Would you be willing to sell some of your used up 284 brass?
ANY THOUGHTS ON WET TUMBLING THE RICE IN A ROTARY TUMBLER?
I've thought about trying it but I'm pretty sure it would get messy real quick and probably wouldn't clean off your brass very well, especially inside.
GOTCHA….JUST TRUNG TO CONVINCE MYSELF I DIDNT WAIST MY MONEY COMPLETELY ON THE STAINLESS MEDIA UNIT I BOUGHT!!!! HA
Out of curiosity John is their a specific reason you don’t decap after tumbling?
I’ve always tumbled, decapped and then cleaned primer pockets by hand whilst inspecting.
More steps.
@@FullSendPrecision Hows that?
I knew you could drive a rice burner, I didn’t know you could shoot one.
What if or why not tumbler first then depriming?
It can go both ways. Some people like pulling the primers first so that the media can clean the pockets. Others leave the primers in and clean the packets later or not at all. Just preference.
@@FClassJohn Thank you very much for responding. I never thought you will respond since is a old video but I appreciate it and thank you for being humble and always having time to interact with your followers!
@@maxcoatlhunter4322 My pleasure. Thanks for watching.
Rice pop vortex volcanic powder flash.
LMAO!!! I couldn't tell you how much times I've spent digging pins or corn cob media out of my primer pockets and brass. I dont know what would happen with the steel pins but at least I know corn cob media might not be that important...
Same here! I've started using corn cob hamster bedding, it works really well and it's cheap!
Rice hmmm … knowing you there is a very good reason why you don’t use wet tumbling with steel pins. Can you share your personal resin why you don’t like wet tumbling?
He did say in the audio when another guy said “ only you would test rice in the flash hole “ to which John replied “ why wouldn’t you” at that point the other guy said “ because I don’t use rice “ then John replied “ then do it with stainless “ after that they went on to say rice burns stainless don’t stainless pins fused to your barrel. And apparently someone they know had it happened to them. What I gather out of that quick conversation was. One of them missed some stainless pins and it jacked up a expensive barrel. And I can see that happening it makes sense also there barrels can’t be cheap. I have a Krieger m110 barrel for my AR10 and it wasn’t cheap. The barrel and JP bolt combo was 1300 bucks. So could you imagine spending that kind of money just to completely destroy it because you missed a few stainless pins.
Un-freaking-believable. I just knew youd get a pack of random squibbers out of that. You need to rename that rifle the rice rocket🤣. I unabashedly admit how wrong I guessed these results.
Makes me think so much for uniforming primer holes... Maybe it's just a waste of time?
one question one comment maybe two questions and zero comment. First, should have fired equal rounds without rice in the flashhole, curious. Second was the rifle manufactured in China? ;)
LMFAO gunna run to the store right now. Who wudda thunk it.
Do you wet or dry tumble with rice ????
I dry tumbler with rice.
@@FClassJohn thanks , i’m going to switch to that , i’ve always worried about one of the stainless pins being left unnoticed inside the brass
From now on every time you get an unusual shot you're going to tell yourself there was probably rice in the flash hole :)
No video=IT NEVER HAPPENED!!! And this years KENTUCKY BALLISTICS AWARD goes to...
I wonder why sonic cleaning isn't all the rage..no media to ever get stuck.
Detergent, citric acid...oven dry...
Having a vertical rack seems the trick
I have made a brass plate with slots cut in it so they hang by the ejector groove. I put it in the ultrasonic cleaner then transfer it to the air roaster on the wash temperature. 30 mins from dirty to ready to load.
@@fentonpainter7907 id like to see a picture of that plate.
Air roaster sounds interesting
I drilled out a bit of plastic chopping board and stood the cases up...but .noted that it seemed block alot of vibration...hanging seems much better...do the primer pockets clean well?...How'd you make the legs?
Thanks..
@@misterlewgee8874 I used 55mm on each end of the plate/sheet to fold down 90degrees to allow my 6.5PRC cases clearance to the basket. Metal and glass transfer the sonic waves straight through, plastic doesn’t.
My guess is that they'll work fine. A primer is a small plastic explosive bomb! 🤣
You should have fired some normal loads in that group to see if they all stayed together. Next time.
I actually shot 5 of the same load (without rice) just before this and they grouped just about 5".
God I hope John sees this comment
Take your old rice. When you have a camp fire or fireplace sprinkle the rice on the coals after the fire dies down. Makes a beautiful green flame from all the metal oxide stuck on/in them.
That’s a cool idea. Thank you!
I never tumble. I want the carbon in the neck.
Guessing before I see what happens -
My guess is nothing. It still shoots
EDIT: I was correct, everyone acknowledge me pls. And I really guessed before I saw.
Hey John, no one who's anyone cleans their brass anymore. I haven't cleaned my brass for years & I 100% recrystallize my brass & it looks like shit, shoots no different.
Cleaning brass is for amateurs. Everyone knows it makes zero difference & is one less shit thing you need to do.
It’s easy to agree to this, but I clean because I like my brass to be clean. Ha ha
Where's your control group with non rice plugged flash holes?
Poor test.