A Teacher | Claire and Eric Meet for the Final Time ft. Kate Mara and Nick Robinson - Ep. 10 | FX
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“A Teacher” explores the complexities and consequences of a predatory relationship between a young teacher and her student. Beautiful and quietly enigmatic, Claire is the newest teacher at Westerbrook High School in Texas. Dissatisfied in her marriage to her college sweetheart, Claire’s life changes when Eric, a charming all-American senior in her English class, asks for help preparing for his SAT test. Popular and outgoing, Eric is the captain of the soccer team and nearly inseparable from his best friends. Everything seems perfect on the surface, but Eric is forced to juggle the pressures of school, applying for college and a part-time job, all while helping take care of his two younger brothers. As Claire and Eric begin to spend more time together, boundaries are crossed, and a subtle game of grooming begins. The permanent damage left in the wake of Claire’s choices becomes impossible for them, and their friends and family, to ignore.
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A Teacher | Claire and Eric Meet for the Final Time ft. Kate Mara and Nick Robinson - Ep. 10 | FX
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This scene is so important. These types of relationships don't start with a kiss, they start with inappropriate/ unnecessary attention.
Exactly
I love how you described this situation perfectly!!!
And this is important to get. Watching it the first time I was confused cause I thought well he kissed her first but watching back it is true that grooming led to him thinking kissing was ok
TRUE
omg, that's right
I liked how he voiced my thoughts: she was still making it about her
what else was she supposed to say she said it was no excuse for what she did
@@user-qv3nl6in6d yes
@@user-qv3nl6in6d maybe address how he felt? What could she do? You know take the slightest interest in doing something for him?
@@CookieblobRS she is definitely wrong and disgusting. Now she did say she wanted to make sure he was ok and he didn’t like that answer. He wanted to meet with her to make her feel worse.
@@marissaurias5116 Oh definitely
I love that the final shot of this show is Eric walking away and not panning back to Claire at all. It shows that he was able to reclaim his voice that he had lost for years because of the relationship. Hopefully Nick Robinson’s portrayal of this character gives people who have gone through a similar trauma a face and that they feel heard and recognized so they can move forward as well and begin to heal, knowing they are not alone
Completely agree!!!
Beautifully written, thank you for sharing
Absolutely! Nick’s such an amazing actor
Wtf trauma really, coz you banged a hot teacher. The way the show ended is stupid. Like I was expecting the kid to have some spine. People are just weak these days... Sad
As someone who went through something very familiar... yes, it helped a lot.
I love how Claire looks exactly the same while Eric looks dramatically aged, a visual symbolism to how much he’s changed and damaged he’s been while showing that Claire didn’t learn a thing and only feels sorry for the stigma of her actions.
I wouldn't agree that Claire didn't learn a thing from this. After she got out of prison she began to see it was her fault.
I mean... Eric also kissed her without her consent in a confined space where she didn't have anywhere to run to. Let's not pretend that Eric is fully innocent. Had she done the right thing, he would have been suspended or expelled for his actions towards her.
@@kunallobo4136 yet she didn't. She admitted it at the end. Therapy for Eric has been bad. He hasn't moved on with his life.
@@jeromerizzo423 of course Claire messed up. But Eric also harrassed her by kissing her without her consent and saying sexually explicit things to her at the dance. He wasn't innocent.
@@kunallobo4136 he was just a kid. Kids don't know better. I mean he's still living with his mom.
I like that they are showing the reality of a sexual assault relationships and how it can also affect men, which isn't portraited often in film or acknowledged in reality.
That's what I loved about this show
@@DogeSpeaks I disagree. I thought this scene was a great example of acknowledging that abuse of power is just that, no matter who is perpetrating the abuse. There's more nuance in the "social justice narrative" than I think you're acknowledging.
I remember seeing a movie with J-Lo in it with this same dynamic. Except they made her the victim because he became a crazed stalker. Infuriated me that they twisted the situation to make her innocent. I'm happy this show is calling out female teachers who groom their students for relationships and then act the victim.
@@Luna18Cat05 I definitely agree
I saw that movie too and it did victimize the adult, but I think the plot was different and so was the genre.
@@tanyaroberts919 true. It was horror and thriller, but it still made her the victim when she 100% caused it.
I think she invited him for lunch as a date, not to apologize. I think she wanted that excitement again. Then when she realized he wasn't playing her game, she changed her tone to an apology. The actress and the creator of the series did a great job because she really grossed me out.
Omg yessss! I thought the same thing. She saw the way he looked at her and realized he was over her so then she backed down and changed her angle. She repeated what everybody else kept telling her. She told him what she thought he wanted to hear but didn't really apologize for the way she treated him. In the end she was only sorry that she got caught.
Ya’ll are so wrong... she definitely does regret it and wouldnt risk ruining her family or life again.
@@yin1170 aw how sweet a child groomer and predator feels bad about her actions . Good for her it affected Nick wayyyy more then Claire .
@@bgebre4031 But did she? When you continue to blame someone for your actions, are you truly remorseful? It seemed more likely that she felt shamed and inconvenienced by the consequences of her actions. She never just owned what she did and apologize for it.
@@diamcole wherein the video did she blame nick? "i feel like a coward. i can't tell you how many times i have thought about reaching out to apologize. and i should have."
she definitely owned up to what she did, and her remorse seemed genuine to me at least. but of course, nick is not obliged to accept her apology. he's completely justified.
Everything he said was spot on. From the “you created those moments” to “you know how long it took me to realize it wasn’t my fault” was so beautifully written and incredibly accurate. Great resolution to the show.
He finally accepted the fact that he was kid and she was an adult and she should have known better. What was sad was neither understood, until this moment, the damage each endured after the affair. Also, Eric just hates her, when she even realizes what she did was wrong as shown in previous episodes.
Like she was obviously guilty, but he was 18 for a chunk of it, and he should also face some accountability. He kissed a teacher without her consent and said sexually suggestive things to her. Had Claire done the right thing and reported him, he would have been suspended or even expelled from school.
@@kunallobo4136 he was 17.5. Not a good child, but still a child. He would've gotten suspended for a kiss like that. Attempted rape he would have been sent to Juvenile after expulsion. My cousin, she is a lawyer and handles such cases.
@@jeromerizzo423 sure, that's my point. In reality, he IS somewhat responsible because he would have been held accountable for his actions had she not reciprocated. I agree not Juvy for Rape. But between the kiss and the suggestive way he talked to Claire, definitely suspension. Which means the school rules do find him at least a little responsible.
But he was at fault too tho no
I loved how the series started with her stealing a lipstick. It was impulsive, gave her a cheap thrill, made her feel attractive for a moment, and she felt entitled to it and rationalized it in her head as being no big deal, despite it being a crime. Her moral compass is askew.
That is a really brilliant observation!
Wow, this really opened my eyes, absolutely
I disagree, stealing a lipstick is not in itself immoral. What is your moral objection to stealing a lipstick from Walmart, for instance? A huge corporation underpaying his employees who evades taxes, etc.
it was definitely a foreshadowing moment - loved that too
@@theoperkinson6574 LOL
"I will never just be one click away from this. I have to live with this forever." I felt that in whatever is left of my soul.
They make Eric's eyes look so sad and heavy. He was so full of life at the beginning.
Therapy should have helped him move on, not live with hate, and feeling ruined. This shows the failure of therapy.😢
@@jeromerizzo423 Being sad doesn't mean living with hate, and meeting Claire probably triggered that feeling, doesn't mean he's ''ruined''
This scene was so powerful. It's no longer about Claire or what she wants. It's about Eric realizing she is not his problem, and how it's his right to move on.
Something I loved about this show, was how abruptly the tone changed as soon as Clair told the other teacher that she had a relationship with a student. It suddenly stoped being "romantic" and "dreamy" and got real. This show really nailed the tone and storytelling.
I love the decision that the realationship (for a lack of a better word) wasn't revealed by Eric as it was foreshadowed but by Claire.
yes and I love that the teacher she told instantly changed her tone with clair and told her the truth of how she messed up - shows at least she has a moral backbone
Yes!! It’s was so abrupt, too. It was set up like maybe the other teacher would be like “oh yeah? Get it!” So when she DIDN’T do that and was in fact horrified it was like we all were pulled out of a fog. Absolutely brilliant.
I don't know why, and I could be wrong here.
But I feel like Claire telling the other teacher about this relationship was an indicator to show how she was even deluding herself into thinking that what her and Eric had was some kind of "forbidden love". But when the other teacher gave her some assurance that what she did is no big deal after she figures out she had an affair and laughs it off.
She exposes herself, but gets hit with a reality check that what she's doing is disgusting!
I hate that she got to have a relatively happy life and years later, he was still miserable over their relationship.
Female privilege. Even after her conviction she found a successful man that wanted her. The way the world works not my rules.
@@adriangarcia3837 there is no such thing as a female privilege
@@Alex-iy2bt if the roles were flipped that male teacher wouldn't have it like she did.
@@Esoteric.Productions double standards are real. Wish they weren't. But they are
@@adriangarcia3837I partly agree. It sickens me the comments I have seen making excuses for Claire and blaming Eric. That being said there are cases of Male teachers who never face prison time and get jobs afterwards
I don't think she was actually truly in love with Eric or cared about him at all. It was a fake facade for her. She loved the idea of being able to escape her shitty first marriage because she was unhappy. She took advantage of Eric because she knew he had a massive crush on her so she took that to her fullest advantage and used abuse of power to seduce him. She loved the idea of him I guess you could say.
See I think she is ashamed of her attraction to him and used the marriage as an excuse.
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I remember him standing in front of the mirror and calling himself the "fuckin man" after ten years though he doesnt feel like the man anymore. just taken advantage of.
@@8830wjs Yep. Because all of his friends thought it was cool, and they wanted her too. And then it finally sank in and destroyed him, and he realized she was just using him to escape her shitty life.
exactly I mean she acts stupid, selfish and in denial when in reality, she had feelings for him even before the affair started. Plus with her first husband Matt, they could talked about their issues, they could have gotten counseling, or she could have just flat out asked him for a divorce, but instead she chose to ruin everyone's life, including her own. She made that choice herself. Eric doesn't even remember or know how or why he cared for her just like Matt did
The series creator said Claire is still the same person she was before, and that she's probably going to blow up this marriage as well in a few years.
I agree a hundred percent
Poor child she birthed will be traumatized when they find out.
I Doubt It
@@lilyzemengist8091 No It Won't. That Child Won't Ever Find Out
@@MrBlueBot5
And you're so sure of this because...?
It’s a great series. When she said “I’m so sorry,” I was like *FINALLY* she truly apologizes! And we can see by his expression that he initially thinks her apology is genuine. And then she makes it all about herself 🙄
i don’t think she truly apologized. it seems like she was only saying what she thought he wanted to hear.
@@ImSakina_ I know
@@ImSakina_ fr
That's what I love so much about Kate Mara's performance in this miniseries! She has really improved on her craft over the years.
She makes Claire so complex, you can never really tell when she's being sincere or not!
2:32 that was the part that hit the hardest. As a kid, sometimes you truly can’t understand why you shouldn’t be doing things or truly how young you were until you look back at a kid or what you were doing and really think about it. This realization is absolutely heartbreaking.
Dated a 25 year old when i was 18. Looking back on i still thing what a lucky guy i was.
@@johnbarlow4572 Cringe.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 Cringe is not something i did in in the case of older ladies in my teens and had a bit of a fascination for them . Did grow out of it and married a young thing of 20 when i was 22
I absolutely loved everything about this scene. I love how he saw the situation for what it was over time; that his character didn’t instantly revert to some lovesick teenager as soon as he saw her again; how he mentioned his brothers and put it all in perspective, and told her straight to her face that he was a child, she preyed on him and it was wrong. I wish his mother could have seen how well he threw the truth in her face
He’ll no that boy knew what he was doing, he knew the risk he’s just lucky he’s young to get away with the guilt trip
@@thenny2341 He didn't know anything, he was not mature enough to ''know'' anything or think that far ahead. Also, I think you meant hell, not he'll.
@@thenny2341 Ew...
The acting in this show is so great, especially from nick. We almost never see how male victims deal with this type of trauma, because stigma is less apparent because of how society treats male victim hood as almost lesser than but the show highlights what they have to deal with as well when it comes to grooming and being violated.
@@lauren0331sigh…you’re really missing the point here. This show isn’t trying to take away from female victims, but show that men are just as much able to be victimized. Think about it, if the roles were reversed (ie fem student x adult male teacher,) there would be no question about her being taken advantage of. But because he’s a man (or in this case, he was a boy) people say things like “he wanted it” or “he should be lucky.” That’s the exact type of mentality that breaks victims down, male or female, and it’s traumatizing.
@@wutheringhigh8067 Lauren didn't miss the point, she simply added that female victims don't have it much better (if one can say so). She wasn't saying the show was taking away from female victims, she didn't even refer to the show, she responded directly to the comment (the part about treatment of male victims, I guess) only saying that female victims are treated only marginally ''better'' and face their own stigma. I think she understood everything you began to explain (even thiough noone asked) and did not invalidate that, she just ADDED to that - so YOU missed her point. Sigh. Don't explain anything to me, I understand perfectly well what's the show and comment is about and agree that male victims are practically invisible compared to female ones - I'm just explaining lauren's point here.
I love how Eric knows now that it’s very easy to be sexually assaulted and not even realize it while it’s happening. People don’t realize that it’s easy to feel like you’re in love with someone older than you when you’re 17, but we can’t stay 17 forever. Life goes on and you gain life experience that makes you realize that all your beliefs from when you were younger really don’t matter. Eric may have felt like he was in love with her once, but now that he’s older, he realizes that he was just made to believe he was in love with her.
It wasn't love..it was lust. He realized that and walked away. Claire is a narcissist who refuses to take responsibility for her actions and would much rather blame anyone but herself.
He was not sexually assaulted. Manipulated, sure. Even used. I was assaulted and it actually changed my life, unlike this crybaby.
@@Ronkyort0dox you are part of the problem lmao
@@madanigaming6595 he was not sexually assaulted, aside from how inappropriate this was this was consensual he was very much old enough to know what he was doing. He fell in love and she used him and broke his heart. I see what they are trying to do with this story but it is not reality to say this is that same as a child molested situation. People need to be able to see the difference
@@madanigaming6595 You are delusional lmao
It really seems like she contacted him because her life has gotten difficult and boring again. Can't get a job, can't go to PTA meetings, etc. So what does she do with her life? She plays the content housewife to her new husband and mother to her kids. I never got the sense that those things would give a woman like her contentment or joy. She's fooled herself into thinking those ties are what she needs to lead a good life, but it's only a matter of time before the cycle repeats out of unhappiness, lack of spontaneity, and boredom. She may be sorry for what she did, but she hasn't really accepted the full responsibility of her actions while (once again) reaching out to her victim, to see how he's doing and if he's moved on. If she'd really done any kind of soul searching or truly accepted blame for what happened, she'd have realized how inappropriate and unnecessary to his healing process her contacting and wanting to meet with him truly was. Instead, she's either trying to feel him out to see if he's open to more side piece action OR wanting sympathy from the only person who could give it to her and make her feel better. She gets neither from this interaction, so to me it only seems like a matter of time before she relapses into another life-imploding affair. This was a well done show, many opinions will differ and clash but isn't that the point of good art, regardless of medium?
Spot on point. It really did seem she was just there to improvise on how he was going to react.
I love this comment so much! It's definitely a show that'll be on my mind for a long time!
Even though I agree with most people that Claire is a despicable person, who was being inappropriate with one of her students. I think there is complexity to her character where she feels remorse and guilt (even if she's more concerned about herself), which I have to give compliments to Kate Mara's performance for making her so dimensional!
But above all of that she is still a toxic person, who can't admit or own up to the fact that she loves the thrill of being chaotic! If she truly did care about hurting Eric and her husband, she would take full responsibility and would work on seeking professional help that she clearly needs rather than resist it and keep living in denial.
This final conversation between Claire and Eric was proof that she could very well be a lost cause, who will inevitably repeat the cycle and destroy her new family (and second marriage)!
And who knows how many “extramarital adventures” she has had over the years. It is even questionable whether the child(ren) were fathered by the husband.
All the comments blaming Eric make me sick to my stomach.
it’s not all her fault either
@@keithchristman9402 yes it is
@@keithchristman9402 ...It absolutely is.
@@diamcole he was 17 people know what they're doing at that age
@@keithchristman9402 would you say the same if he was a girl?
What I like about this show is that it doesn’t feel one sided. It shows how this affair destroys both the abuser and the abused.
IMHO, I think the ending showed how abusers are able to easily move on while victims are scarred forever.
@@SK-fy8dl , I think that is true in some cases, although and thankfully, Teachers don’t get a free pass. Within families, & other areas, most times the abuser moves right on to their next victim w/o repercussions.
Yes, but one side is just and one side thinks they are just, which brings more attention to how Claire is wrong. She thinks she's the victim, when really she's the monster.
@@daughterofolaf because she can’t go to her kids PTA meetings or other stuff like that
@@WhitneyChappell not really she can find other jobs and what wrong with depending on your husband? Also no one will see her as bad person in reality just because she slept with some boy this show is making fun of people like you
If she was trying to get out of a marriage she should’ve just said let’s get a divorce instead of hurting this kid he was surrendering and blowing up her life. I love how he didn’t let her manipulate the situation saying it was him
She should’ve said “I never should’ve taken you to ut, i shouldn’t have brought you to the back of my car, I shouldn’t have told you to call my Claire, I shouldn’t have tutored you...it confused you and that is my fault...” instead SHES blaming him! The acting was amazing the story just gives me the shivers it’s really taboo
I find it really interesting how many people are saying she shouldn't have tutored him. I think he clearly needed tutoring--and the socioeconomic power that that need provided was one of the things she leveraged against him.
I think she should have tutored him, but exclusively on school grounds (before/after school and during lunch), maintaining appropriate name use, and invited other students who also needed tutoring to join. A teacher offering tutoring is not inappropriate, but rather, can be a powerful and appropriate form of care if it's done right.
I don't think anything was wrong with tutoring him, but it's the mixed signals she was giving that lead to things becoming inappropriate that were the issue!
She made him feel too comfortable around her, and used his attraction he had for her against him to make it seem like he was initiating the relationship!
“I didn’t... move forward with my life.”
whose fault was that?
Your mother’s?
@@mightybluespider Hers. For assulting a minor. Are you victim blaming?
@@mightybluespider hers obviously
Our relationship f****** destroyed me
I bawled at the end of this. I’ve had a similar experience as a student in high school and I blamed myself for years. This show truly represented the victim in these situations.
Till this day the person who did what they did to me doesn’t understand what they did.
So sorry that happened to you. I hope you've been doing better. Glad something was made that you can connect with so deeply, especially with this portrayal highlighting women who take advantage of younger males, a side of reality too often undermined. I hope we have more of this being produced. I'll do my best to get my projects for such going.
@@VDOTU5 Thank you. Stories like mine aren't show in mainstream media, but now it finally was.
La même chose pour moi sans l’acte sexuel. C’était presque pire car je n’avais aucune preuve donc je pouvais la confronter. C’était des situations ambiguës, des mots, un lien fusionnel… g eu envie de mourir pendant des années. Je vais bien maintenant. Et je suis heureuse et reconnaissante d’entendre ce dialogue car on voit bien à quel point c’est confus quand tu es jeune et dans la situation!
Ma propre mère soutenait que c’était ma faute car elle lui avait dit que ça l’était. C’est le pire: de passer pour une folle et de ne pouvoir en parler à personne pour protéger une connasse… je croyais que je devais.
Being a male i always would think its cool if a young guy in school would do this. After watching this to the end its sad how i felt its a boy he will be ok and if it was my son I wouldn't care. This show has changed my whole perspective on this especially seeing he carried a heavy burden for so long.
This scene was so powerful. Eric finally took off his rose-colored glasses and finally saw through this mess. This kid is a great actor!
There are actual people thinking this is over dramatic because he was 17, and they should know better at that age. Jesus Christ. Please do some self-reflection and ask yourselves if you’d be feeling the same way if this were an older male teacher and a female student. Simply implying that just because he was old enough, or “the age of consent” adds to the toxic stigma that women aren’t just as capable of causing trauma to young boys. Eric was a victim, point blank period. The show executed this perfectly, although it’s unfortunate that some people are still finding ways to somehow want to make it the student’s fault as well.
I don't see him as a victim at all. He is of age and knows right from wrong. He came on to her first and was very pushy about it. However, she shouldn't have gave in. She was wrong for having an affair as well. They are both in the wrong.
@@jennyh6703 she emotionally manipulated him and abused her authority as a teacher. So, yes, he is a victim. That is literally the whole point of the show. If all you gathered from it was a simple "love affair" then i don't know what to tell you. I'd suggest watching it again, maybe?
@@ash-rb1qi I agree that she abused her authority as a teacher and was wrong for having an affair with a student. I just think Eric should take responsibility for his actions as well. I do feel bad for Eric for being young and it love. It really hurts at that age. I know it's just a show but it's very intense.
@@jennyh6703 ultimately, if a minor is "coming on to you" it's your responsibility as an adult to ignore it, because it's wrong. Regardless if Eric was 13 or 17, he lacked the emotional maturity, and the teacher preyed upon that naivety for her own selfish reasons. I do respect your opinion and civility in this conversation, i just don't want to put blame on the victim at hand, and that's Eric's character. While i know it's just a show, situations happen like this every day and it's really sad!
@@ash-rb1qi Yea that's very true. She was the older adult and a teacher and should have said no regardless of him coming on to her. I respect your opinion and civility as well. I think it's a great show. It also gives awareness that these things really happen.
She’s sick, still finding ways to blame him when everything he did was a result of her grooming. Textbook narcissist!
Not excusing what she did. But I think her father was sexually abusing her when she was younger.
And good for eric, to voice his thoughts to his abuser.
I couldn't do that to my abusers.
@@bgebre4031 I don't think he wanted to rub it in, I think he wanted to hold his abuser accountable for her actions which seems entirely reasonable. Especially given the fact that she was in complete denial.
@@jeniffermoreno5041 "Hurt people hurt people" seems to fit when it comes to her. But many survivors don't repeat those abusive patterns, myself included so while I can understand her pain, I can't and won't excuse it.
I don’t think she is a narcissist but she is projecting her own pain and lack of security in a vulnerable person. Someone with NPD would ridicule, blame and continue to try to turn it around on him.
@@jeniffermoreno5041 wouldn’t the show acknowledge she was sexually abused as a kid? ur just looking for excuses just like her
This show did a great job at painting the reality of life after being taking advantage of at such a young age. “I was just a kid”
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This was such a powerful moment. I’m so glad he interrupted her and said no I was 17 it’s so young. Like how dare you. 🙌🙌👏🏼👏🏼 he was a minor she initiated. Abuse, use of POWER and manipulation is wrong and abuse. Men are victims too and it goes unreported much more often!
Textbook narcissist. When it's time to be held accountable they open up the floodgate "what about me. I can't go to pat meetings, I can't go out in public. I I I. I so really hated her in this scene.
I thought the same thing at first but rewatching it he try’s to say her life is perfect so she rebuttals by telling her examples of how it isn’t perfect, she did do this more for herself but he implied that she has had it easy since then so she was disproving that
PTA meetings lol
I feel for both of them, she has a husband and a family but she can't do anything to do with the outside world.
Eric can't get a into a long term relationship and has trouble with people because of his past, and regressed for years from his potential
I think this show should continue with further seasons showing a different scenario of teacher-student relationships each time. The women being the older one is rarely shown so I thought that was interesting to start with. Maybe next season we could see a gay male teacher and a gay student or a male teacher pursuing a younger girl. Various cautionary tales to show that this can happen in many different forms.
Tbh that’s a good idea
Wait what happened too him?
Where is your check?!? 😂😂🤔
Great idea! Also, showing non-sexual predatory behavior. There’s adults that cross boundaries with kids all the time and it’s not always sexual abuse. I think it’s important to highlight that as well.
For the gay student and teacher just watch the skeleton twins and as for the younger girl older guy teach cmon it is way overdone in the media and uhm...other places
Wow. This scene completely changed how I viewed this entire story.
The show was well done... only complaint was the shows were really short... I would’ve preferred longer episodes
yesssss 20 minute episodes sucks they definitely could’ve fit two episodes in one 40 minute segment which would’ve given us more
Or even make it into an actual full length movie. Very well written & the actors/actresses are stellar.
@@TheL00ks It actually was a full length movie. This is the much, much better remake.
Powerful ending. Very fitting.
I want a season 2 but I want it to focus solely on Eric I want him to achieve his dream of being a doctor, to feel like he is a valuable person, but I also want an accidental run in with Grace Gummer’s character so he can tell her that she helped him recognize his own issues he wasn’t dealing with by her addressing hers.
I agree with that. And it would also be nice if Eric dates and later marries his ex-girlfriend Allison and starts a family with her. That would be the final icing on the cake. Many fans of the show know that Eric and Allison deserve each other.
I just finished the show and one of the saddest parts of the show is how the abuse Inflicted on Eric affects his life while Claire gets to live a great life. After spending 6 months in Jail, she shows zero remorse and 10 years down the line is married with kids while Eric is affected for the rest of his life. Also Her behaviour towards her ex husband is beyond despicable as he wants to make their marriage work despite what she's done and yet that same night Claire sneaks out to the motel with Eric, it shows how little care she has for anyone else.
this series was soo good but it also messed me up for a couple of days
Me too.
Same. But that's the effect a great lesson has on you. It scars you for a couple days because it informs you on how terrible these issues are.
Imagine being Eric
I’m a wreck
I love how they also show that claire never changed. She is still the same disgusting person she always has been. She didn’t want to apologize all those years or even here. She just wanted that excitement again, even if she knows it’s wrong. Eric didn’t come to play games and knew that she wasn’t really there to apologize and wanted that to be known. They did such an amazing job portraying this film.. i love nick robinson as an actor so much. He has portrayed so many different characters and never fails to impress me.
I agree Nick Robinson was phenomenal, but I feel Kate Mara also deserves some credit as well! I always found her average in other projects, but her work in this miniseries really impressed me where I hope she keep her acting abilities consistent and continues to improve on her craft!
She does such a great job with playing Claire and making her character complex rather than black and white. It's almost easy to look at her and feel conflicted while almost overlooking the fact that she is the one that had all the power in this dynamic!
I love that he held her accountable. She has to know she cannot shift blame. One thing I must acknowledge too, is that she is a broken person too, with what happened to her mom and her relationship to her dad, I acknowledge she does deserve some forgiveness, I’m not talking about every authority figure in this situation, some are monsters with no regard at all for others ..I know grooming is real, but we do see her struggle with choice throughout. I don’t think she’s an absolute monster tho monster, but deeply flawed and absolutely abusive in this case and wrong. I loved the kids character and I love how he doesn’t cower away from her.
Perfect word … grooming think a lot of people missed all of that! That scene covered it all!
My only question is how tf did she ended up getting married who would marry her and be comfortable having kids
People do. Idk
Yeah I would never let this shorty have my kids
Like she said, she got lucky. I don't get it either though.
Exactly what she says in this scene.
How is she registered and gets to have kids like how if it were a man it would be a problem ugh
Just watched this show recently and this last scene was just the best. He left her with his last riveting truths and he finally got to say what he needed to say.
He should have done his talking back when she was arrested. Told the court that he had no problem with their relationship and she did nothing he did not want to do as that what it looks like to me. Probably would have kept her out of jail . That is what we would have done back in the day. Instead he basically threw her under the bus .
This series was so good. The characters Clarie and Eric deserve some awards .
“I will never be just one click away from this Claire, I have to live with this forever …and so do you.”
I was groomed while in high school. More than once. I told myself at the time. This is what I want. My choice, my decision. Only to realize in my 30's when my mental health started to decline. Oh, I was taken advantage of. This show, truly depicts this. Those older people. Who should know better. Manipulate, and try to be the victim. When You are, not them.
I give Hulu and the whole cast and crew for how they handled this sensitive subject. I love though after everything this girl did to this kid, she still blamed him and made it all about her and how her life was ruined. Like she does know she was the adult in the situation and had many chances to realize how wrong it was for her to take advantage of him.
I was once at a dinner party, and a therapist who worked with juveniles said only girls suffer from this type of abuse, that boys are proud and treated like heroes. I thought she sounded ignorant and unprofessional. She didn't understand male behaviour at all. About 5 men heard it too and they all looked at eachother in shock and shook their heads. I believe they were thinking what I was thinking. Males can be abused just as females. Internalising it, does not make it any less painful.
this wasn’t abuse
i’ve never seen this show. but this is a great scene. these actors are convincing. and they play their characters beautifully.
So glad he realized that he was a victim, that she groomed him.
I didn't finish this show, but I wish they made the first few episodes more creepy and the grooming more obvious bc it mostly seemed romantic. I also wish there was a message at the end pinpointing exactly what techniques she used to manipulate him. Bc I feel like older viewers can see the warning signs, while younger viewers can't.
I understand what you mean, but there was a viewer discretion, so I wouldn't say the audience wasn't exactly targeted for younger people. But either way, it was meant to be watched from beginning to end. At the start, it does seem more romantic, and I believe this was all intentional, because it's supposed to show you how at FIRST, everything seems so sweet and warm, but as the series goes on, you begin to realize how twisted everything is which mirrors the experience of an actual victim. They don't feel like anything was wrong at first, but as they grow older, they see how much they are hurt from the predatory relationship and how they were truly the victim. It was supposed to make you feel excited at the beginning, but the harsh truth that Claire took advantage of Eric becomes painfully apparant. I completely respect your good intentions though.
But I think the point is that it’s more realistic. Most people being groomed have no idea and it does come off as romantic.
I agree - a more direct statement about what she did would’ve been great. Eric did it a little when he said that she agreed to tutor him and took him to UT. But yeah I wish the series had done that part better, maybe portraying a therapy session for him or something.
That was the point! Grooming isn't creepy a lot of the time, that's why it's called that. It's slow and it begins with the building of trust and friendship which is then used to the advantage of the perpetrator and turns the relationship into something dark and trauma-inducing.
The beginning of the show risks being gratuitous if the audience is fooled along with Eric into thinking it's romantic. The show could portray Eric as oblivious, but Claire knew what she was doing, and the audience should also be told/shown what she was doing. I'm not a minor but I couldn't recognize all the techniques she was using. It's ambiguous and subtle, but imo it should be more ominous and explicit.
Just binge watched this last night. As a victim of grooming, this entire series crushed me. I am not okay today.
I love this scene so much. I am so glad the series ended this way with him coming to the light and her being the villain she always was. I hope future shows learn from this before putting a teacher student relationship in
I’d love to see an episode or two where her kids are teens and how they deal with knowing what she did to a kid their age and how they view authority after that
SHe hurt him and now he’s tearing himself apart because of her
That is an understatement. She did not just hurt him. She ABUSED him. He was a kid.
I’d like to understand how was it horrible for him? Is he supposed to pretend he never had feelings for her? She was attractive and he was a guy who had just turned 18. I fail to see the trauma in that.
@@spideyfan1278 - Then you need to educate yourself on sexual predators as your comment only shows your ignorance. He was actually 17 when she started up with him.
@@SilkyShish I still don’t see where’s the regret in having done it with her so young? In his shoes I’d remember how much I enjoyed it.
@@spideyfan1278 - Do you choose to be this ill informed or are you really this dim? Please educate yourself and stop commenting on things you obviously have no clue about. Thank you.
Makes you realize how important even the basic boundaries are. There are things may happen that neither is aware of when they're not maintained.
This is a great scene. It shows the reality of these kind of relationships. She has no remorse. She got off on his crush on her. She didn’t realize what harm she has done to Eric. He is a sweet man who should have not been hurt by Claire.
they got Nick lookin like Shawn Mendes or whatever his name is. Great actor though
This looks like it could win an Emmy award and oscar award.
Oscars aren't for shows
and he's supposed to feel sorry for her why?!
I think she asked him to meet her for the same reason she started grooming him in the past. She was and is married, bored and craving for attention. She thought he would act the same way that he did in the past, but he is a grown man now. And now he knows he was a victim. Great ending to a very good show.
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I dunno. I thought she was being sincere. But you can also get his anger in it all. Any young man would have his life messed up by a beautiful older woman. It seemed like their love for each other had some realness to it. She had obviously missed out on her "childhood fun" always taking care of her dad and had some sudden impulse to live it with him in the moment. Her character was irresponsible but by no means mean spirited toward him.
She 100% met up with him hoping to restart the cycle of abuse. You don't see it in this clip but when he first sits down the waiter comes over and he just orders a water and she says "are you sure you don't you want anything else?"
@@jmjinx Maybe she loved him. Like truly loved him?
@blabberer8950 she did fr. if you remember in the episode where she tells the teacher about him. she was like I like him or smth but to me it was real
“I have a husband who for some reason doesn’t judge me like other people do!”
Plot twist: Her husband did the same thing and kept it a secret.
That's the only way I can understand why doesn't he find it gross
He knows she will submit to him because she doesn’t have a lot of other options.
BAM, second season with the husband's story
Maybe its also cause her husband wants to control her and he can since she doesn't have other options. Who knows. There are so many speculations
I've been a victim of grooming and it's true. Victims have to live with it for the rest of their lives
How does one scene cause such massive amounts of rage AND satisfaction?
This wasn't the kind of stuff I would usually watch but this was a solid series
That sentence of "I saw my brother today, he is the same age i was, seventeen, and he look so freeking young. I was just kid". It hits so hard that alone can resume the hole series. I loved this series. It hits you pretty hard and it quite disturbing to watch as someone said 90% of the time. But I think its important to highlight more of this, because it happens out there. Grooming are never ok, and as parent you should always stay alert, most of the time its someone close to the kid or family, one you never would thaugt of!
This whole scene... she never acknowledged him she said I I I. Never looked him in the eye when it counted. She is in her second marriage and called to him, deep inside she wanted the same experience with him again. Even though this is a show I feel bad for his character, he looks like he needed this confrontation to move on.
This is so powerful. Very well done…a moment every survivor deserves but doesn’t get.
Survivor of what . He was happy enough when the affair was going on but as usually happens in these cases he crumbled when the going got tough. Could have stood by her and taken some responsibility for his part and that might have kept her out of jail .
How can an adult be attracted to a child?
It’s one thing to be attracted to a child. It’s another thing to act on an attraction to a child. Lots of people have thoughts and feelings that are reprehensible......but very few act on those feelings. Claire is in an esoteric group.
Sometimes them breastest be nice it be mighty hard to turn away
@@knight7se7en What is esoteric?
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Great series and brilliant acting
Very accurate . Student fine with it while all is going well but crumbles when the going gets tough . Could have manned up and stood by her and taken some responsibility for his part in it all and might have saved her from jail
1:06
She will never be forgiven, but had she left it there, I think he might have found it as a sort of closure and been okay. She said her piece, he corrected her, and she apologized. She seemed to recognize what she did, how it still affects him and he looked down, as if relieved.
But then she started making excuses and pinning it on him, and he realized that this woman is not sorry she hurt him but is sorry that it affected her and is reaching out to be given permission to get rid of the bit of guilt she feels, regardless of his emotions, and he makes the choice to not give it to her, because she doesn’t deserve it. She doesn’t deserve his consent to be rid of the guilt because she didn’t have his consent when she harmed him. That’s how grooming works and he finally has his power back.
That’s powerful.
That is an incredibly well-put statement. You have an amazing analysis of this scene. Thank you.
This series was so good. I feel like it would have made me feel more grossed out if it was a male teacher and a female student, which is exactly what is wrong with how society in general view statuatory rape in my opinion. What an interesting perspective and really makes you think about male victims of sexual assault and female perputrators.
I haven't seen any of this show, but wow, that's some good acting.
This is the conversation victims typically are unable to have due to a lack of accountability on the teachers part. As much as I pain for Eric. I know how important it is for a surivivor to share these feelings. There are many Eric's and Erica's in the world who have suffered sexual and emotional abuse in this sort of relationship. Thinking they were to blame. I pray they can overcome this trauma and lead the lives they are meant to live.
Its not about if he knew right from wrong. Its about how TOXIC a relationship like this is. Wether its her side, or his side, or both sides; its an accurate portrayal.
He's gorgeous. Fabulous actor.
I haven’t seen the show but the acting in this scene is SO GOOD !
The kid is so good. Franco brothers vibe.
Really heartbreaking show, phenomenal performances from both Kate & Nick.
Garbage
The power of this scene is that it will give language to victims for years to come. Brilliant dialogue.
He had no problem engaging in a relationship that he initiated by kissing her and when it was exposed he failed to stand by her and basically threw her under the bus . Bit of a wimp but that is the norm in these cases
His face shows betrayal like she just looking for nothing but drama and to make his life miserable
He is a wimp who could not take the heat that he must have known was coming there when caught
I wasn't groomed/SA'd , but i relate to Eric so much with unresolved trauma, combined with depression really does steal time from you. Im turning 30 next year but it really just feels like yesterday when i was 20 just starting to get out into the world, but after 8 years ive barely accomplished anything, for the last 4 years i basically spent wallowing and actually receding into old habits, but now i have to wake up everyday and hate the decepit looking man i see in the mirror. Im trying to pick up the pieces, but it kills me on the inside when i realize how much time i lost.
Just show's you how we are all different . Lost virginity to an older lady at 15 and had dalliances with another couple in my teens . Never saw it as anything more than a bit of good fortune that came my way and have had no problems then or since from the experiences
"It's hell"
Good. It should be.
What would have happened back in my day We stood by our friends and would have backed her up . Say nothing to the police other than ask for her lawyer's number . Tell the court we had no problem with what went down and hopefully keep her out of jail.
@@johnbarlow4572Please shut up
It's nice that that show exists because of how much of a wake up call it is for not just adults grooming underaged women but also adults grooming underaged men as well
You can't blame a student for your actions
She didn't. She knew what she did was wrong and took responsibility by this point.
Really didn't expect this ending. Good display of realism. Also hoped he would get together with Alison though
I'm glad he told her off. She is the adult and she made a choice to pursue a young teenager because she was unhappy in her life. It doesn't matter that he had a crush on her then. She chose to pursue it.
He was happy enough to engage a relationship with her and no problems when it was all going well but as usual in cases like this he crumbled when the going got tough. He could have stood by her and taken some responsibility for what happened . Might have kept her out of jail .
Two people involved in a relationship where all was fine until exposed and then one turns into a wimp and left the other to face the music . Could have stood by her and taken some responsibility for his part in what went on . If i had been involved in something like this my father would have kicked my arse for getting involved in something that i knew was going to get the other person/ people involved into serious trouble when i knew there were no consequences for me . Appears the youth of today are just to soft and mollycoddled to get involved in such shenanigans and ones with a backbone are few and far between
WELL SAID BY BOTH ACTORS , OUTSTANDING COMMENTS FROM NICK.
Wow ..she lives in a garbage denial till the very end !
I think this shows the true narcissism of these women who commit these acts with their students. Look at Mary k laterno she married her victim and never took responsibility or felt bad for what they did.
That wig he has on is crazy
Her apology was fine until she said, “I should have stopped you. I shouldn’t have let you kissed me.” She called him the victim and was placing blame on herself but the second she brought up Eric kissing her, it made seem like he was the one who started everything. Yeah he pursued her and kissed her which was wrong but she was giving him far too much special treatment. He was young and naive while she was the adult. The second he started listing how she caused it all, she went straight into denial.
She should have known what young people are like today . Wimps who crumble when the going gets tough . Back in the day when the police came calling you told them nothing and stood by your friends
@@johnbarlow4572Sex offenders shouldn’t be covered for
@@Lilyanna298 Child molesters i have no sympathy for but these cases with students who are over the age of consent and its only the teacher / student that's the problem i have for the teacher . As long as they keep it outside the school i don't see the problem . Anything in side like showing favouritism etc then you sack than teacher and expel the student
Claire literally ruined her own life and messed up his. She really thought she could gaslight him but I’m glad he realizes what her intentions were.
These types never accept their responsibility. Count how many times she says “I” in this scene.
I estimate around 100 times.
I was never believed when the same thing happened to me. Eventually, the teacher was finally caught. I went through years of personal torment and failed relationships because I was blamed for the relationship, not understanding what it was.
I hate to think of the victims that followed because I wasn't believed. In fact, I became a teacher to protect students and have taken down some teachers that had inappropriate contact with students.
Like the victim, I saw my attacker years later. He was trying to privately tutor kids. I warned the parents and was believed. Thank God for Google because his mugshot is still up. Saving those potential victims was an experience that I'll never forget because I took back my power.
Sorry that happened to you
I think the silver lining here is that Eric was able to say his peace, put her in her place and no longer be a victim of this relationship to some degree. Will what he said change her actions? Highly unlikely. She's a self-sabotager who also plays the victim. She'll never take full responsibility for her actions and she would do it again in a heartbeat. She 100% setup this lunch meeting to rekindle things (why else would she ask if he wanted something "else" to drink). She's going to blow her marriage up again... just not with Eric. Shame he had to suffer through it is all.
3:57 as she goes on making it about her, I just think of how she was able to manipulate a teenage Eric but not the Eric that's sitting there today with her.
Yeah I feel like most of her issues could be resolved, if she just accepted that she needs professional help. But she’s one of those toxic people that can’t help themselves, and they’re addicted to chaos!
It was 200% on her. Even if he had a crush, she made certain situations for him to get more attracted to her. The diner scene I cringed because it felt like a first date. And she was definitely flirting with him, almost like when people talk at the bar.
Another thing, I agree with those who say that this would be much worse seen if it were a girl student and a male teacher. And it is good that they show that a man can also be a victim of a woman. The point is that Eric is NEVER SEEN SUFFERING, on the contrary, his college and university classmates had him as an idol, he was better in bed with the girls ... they show you suddenly that 10 years passed and he feels like a rape victim without showing any process or development. While we have seen Claire with negative consequences of the fact.
Totally right
She’s a very good actress
I always found her average in her early work, but she has really improved on her acting abilities over the years!
I was very impressed, that I became a fan of hers after seeing this miniseries